
(Pt. I of this discussion can be found here.)
Glenn Greenwald’s groundbreaking book How Would A Patriot Act? Defending America From A President Run Amok debuted at #11 on the New York Times nonfiction paperback bestseller list today and deservedly so. Independently published and arising out of liberal blog culture to address the country’s crisis of leadership with an immediacy seldom seen in the book world, it’s a genuine grass roots phenomenon and Glenn’s success will hopefully pave the way for many more to follow.
One of the things that struck me in the book was the way that the calculations of the Bush Administration embody the specific abuses of power the founders feared when they established a system of checks and balances for a new nation. Glenn quotes John Adams:
Fear is the foundation of most governments, but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to aprove of any political institution which is founded on it.
And yet the GOP has used "terror" not only as the exclusive lens with which it views both international and domestic events, but as a foundation upon which it bases all policy. As Pach noted the other day, questioning this assumption has become anathema; John Kerry was piloried for saying that "we have to get back to the place where we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives but they’re a nuisance."
Glenn surveys the damage this has done to political discourse:
It has become an inviolable piety that there is no such thing as overstating the terrorism risk. One is compelled to genuflect to, and tremble before, the supremacy of this ultimate threat, upon pain of being cast aside as some sort of anti-American, terrorist-loving radical.
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[O]pinions about terrorism are the new form of political correctness and been hinting that this threat is not the all-consuming, existential danger to our republic portrayed bby the White House is liable to draw questions about one’s patriotism and one’s sanity.
While the intellectually impoverished right will immediately leap to equate any sort of reasonable scale for this matter with treason and the coddling of terrorists, Glenn rightly turns the bedwetting that underlies this straw man argument on its head:
[O]ne an protect against the threat of terrorism with courage, calm, and resolve — the attributes that have always defined our nation as it has confronted other threats, including many at least as significant. Hysteria and fear-mongering are the opposite of strenth. The strong remain rational and unafraid.
Yet this pimping of fear is, as Glenn argues, a pillar of the Bush power-grab. In a concurring opinion written in the Youngstown Co. vs. Sawyer case, Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson said of the nation’s founders:
We may also suspect that they suspected that emergency powers would tend to kindle emergencies.
And yet the idea that we are in some sort of permanent, undeclared war against "terror" is the assertion Bush uses — nay, must have — to ignore any law he so choses and appropriate any power he wants.
Glenn draws an amusing contrast between the self-soiling Bush enablers and the bold courage of the founders. Patrick Henry spoke on behalf of their revolutionary sentiments when he said "give me liberty or give me death" — a clarion statement that the freedoms and rights they demanded from the British crown were worth the price of their lives. How different is the cringing fear-filled admonitions of those who are ready to sign over all our liberties to George W. Bush if he will just save them from the boogeymen.
"None of your civil liberties matter much after your dead," said Sen. John Cornyn. And according to Sen. Pat Roberts, "I would only point out that you really don’t have any civil liberties if you’re dead." Willing to give up their lives to defend our freedoms? These men are not willing to suffer so much as a hangnail.
As Glenn notes:
Once we choose to assuage our fears rather than protect our liberties, the type of fear being promoted by the administration and its supporters compels us to relinquish our freedoms, endorse government excesses, and sacrifice everything that distinguishes America and has made it great and worth fighting for. Attempting to persuade Americans to adopt this fear-driven mentality has become the first priority of the administration.
Wallowing in fear is inimical and antithetical to the national character, and as Glenn points out we make remarkably bad decisions as a nation when we let it overcome us: witness the Alien and Sedtion Acts in 1798, or the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II that nobody this side of Michelle Malkin looks upon as anything other than a travesty and a disgrace. Glenn’s book is a battle cry to all Americans to get out from under the bed, look straight at the Chief Thief and Terror Pimp and say "enough" with the exploitation of our fears that is enabling the destruction of everything that makes this country great.
It’s what a patriot would do.
(Join us next week when the FDL Book Salon is devoted to the Roots Project, and stories about delivering copies of Crashing the Gate to every member of the House and Senate. The FDL Book Salon schedule of upcoming events can also be found in the left sidebar.)



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Thanks so much to Glenn for joining us here today and for writing such a fabulous book. We’re also really fortunate to have Jennifer Nix with us, who shepherded this book through publication extremely quickly and promoted it so successfully.
I’m going to ask once again that this thread stay on the topic at hand; those wishing to discuss other matters can feel free to do so on the previous thread.
Thanks for hosting this, Jane. The first half of the discussion, last week, was great, and I’m looking forward to this.
Welcome, Glenn!. . . and Jennifer (Glennifer?)
Hey Glenn, welcome! Fantastic book — really a great start to a conversation the entire country ought to have been having for the last five years.
Ooops – I should add a link to Pt. 1, it was great.
So how does it feel to be on the NYT bestseller list, Glenn? That is just awesome.
Greetings from Sausalito. Thanks for hosting this, Jane.
Thank you so much for writing this book, Glenn. It is the kind of book that I can easily pass to folks of any political bent and persuade them to read, let alone reengage as citizens and patriots to effect solutions in response to your call.
Thanks – I really hope that the book’s making the best seller lists forces large newspapers to review, television shows to give time to the book’s arguments, etc. – I really think that if those arguments are widely circulated, they can make a real difference in how these issues are discussed (how do I make my comments unmoderated).
Glenn–you, sir, are a true patriot. Thank you for this great gift to the nation.
I wrote your first civilian review for amazon, Monarchy…Again? and have bought copies for many family members and friends.
Was especially struck by 4 of your concepts:
1. How blatantly and openly they are defying the law
2. The pervasive use of fear to stop opposition
3. Broken feedback, quiet Congress, intimidated press
4. From the epilogue, a reminder that it can get worse, Bush could wake up tomorrow and decide all by himself to invade Iran.
Question for you: with the broken feedback, what is our path back to the restoration of Constitutional government?
I`m having technical difficulties- can’t tell if my comments are appearing.
Thank you, Glenn — you book may be what finally demolishes the top down mindset of the publishing industry.
Of course, that implies a willingness for reality to intrude on the pre-determined script — not unlike the Corporate Media we all know and hate.
Glenn,
Really liked your book. I appreciate it came out quickly in order to make an impact, but why no index or sources? This detracts from the long-term value of the book in my opinion.
Egregious – I didn’t talk a lot about specific organizational solutions because I really think that if public opinion changes on these issues – if Americans begin to realize how extremist and radical this administration has become and how threatening to our basic system of government it is – the checks will arise naturally. To me, far more important at the moment than figuring out specific organizational ideas is to get Americans to appreciate what is really going on with this government. Once that happens, I believe the change will flow naturally.
Congratulations, Glenn on your #11 debut on the NYT Bestseller list. It’s well deserved.
Everything I’ve read in the book (so far-not quite finished) are things I’d known about, but seeing them listed together with actual history and constutional principles explained alongside them is mind blowing. It’s truly frightening what the Bush administration has done. I already knew that, but not to this extent.
Ubikan – When you write a book this quickly (it was in people’s hands by May 15 and references news events from March 31), there are inevitable trade-offs. Not having an index is one of them. Besdies, the book is small enough – and depends more on an argumentative flow rather than a whole host of names – that an index, while nice, isn’t as necessary, in my view, as it might be for other books.
Okay Glenn, try it now…better?
Glenn, are you using Firefox? Apparently you need to reload the whole page rather than click “Refresh Comments.”
Congratulations, by the way! We’re all in your debt.
Welcome,Jen. And take a bow — you ballsed your way through this process, it went against every impulse the institutional publishing industry has, at least from my experience. It was a grand experiment and a huge success.
Oh, and Glenn, good retort to Byron York. *g*
The Other WA – That was one of the things I realized when writing the book. None of the individual scandals are new, obviously. But putting them all together and talking about them as coming from a common root – which they do – is new. THe media never analyzes anything from that perspective. Everything is talked about in isolation. That was teh primary purpose of this book – to make people aware that all of these scandals are happening because we have a president who really has placed himself above, and outside of, the law.
Jen — I completely agree with Jane at 18. Bravo to both you and Glenn for kicking this up so many notches, against the grain. Huge kudos!
From Jane, in her intro:
… the calculations of the Bush Administration embody the specific abuses of power the founders feared when they established a system of checks and balances for a new nation.
Well, sure. Guys like Dick Cheney look at what the founders said they wanted to avoid and think, “Whoa, that would be kind of cool.”
And then they read 1984 and think it’s an instruction manual.
Ubickan–on the question about “no sources.” Not really the case, as info pulled from articles, papers, etc. is referenced within the text. Safir Ahmed, the book’s editor, chose to keep the book flowing, with sourcing within the body of the text, and we all agreed that it would be less distracting in a book of this length.
Jen Nix deserves all of the credit for this project – she conceived of the idea, packaged it, forced me to do some of what turned out to be the best parts of the book that I didn’t want to do (the Preface).
She has now but 2 books on the NYT bestseller list without virtually no budget, marketing supprot, corproate structure, etc. That is amazing. I really think she’s inventing a new way to publish books which can change the way we can impact our national political discussions. Without her, there would be no book.
Thank you for this book and the reminder about what the Founding Fathers would have said about what is going on in our country now. Is the book going to be reviewed by the MSM given how it is selling?
Christy – Thanks- my reply actually was even longer. How ironic that he’s searching around for liberal manipulation of best-seller lists when, as Jane has documented so well, that is all the Right does with their books – 99-cent book club, anyone?
To Jennifer Nix–great accomplishment. It was astonishing to read twice about publications from April 2006 and realize, hey, the book came out May 15. Fast work, and a terrific book.
Swopa 22 — And then they read 1984 and think it’s an instruction manual.
Yes they did turn Orwell into quite the prophet.
Kak – I hope it will be reviewed. Jen knows more about this process, but usually they require a lot of upfront time. But perhaps demanding that the NYT review the book is a good blogosphere project. I believe as genuinely as I can believe anything that if people are forced to confront these arguments, it can really have an impact.
Glenn, I think the chapter on fear is one of the best concise pieces on how fear can be used to justify governmental actions. Page 99 in particular should be stapled to all voters foreheads. the trouble is, that fear is very effective and most americans in polls say they are willing to trade rights for security (as they see it).
what can we do to overcome that mindset?
Glenn:
Fantastic book-hopefully a real eye opener for those who espouse liberty but give this administration a pass on liberty’s assault.
Are you hearing from libertarians on this?
Glenn 29 — I think pushing the NYT to review the book is something we should definitely take on, esp. now that it jumped to the top of the bestseller list.
(Big smiles all around…)
Thanks, Glenn. But I really feel like this book is just a perfect storm of collaboration and timing, your talent–and the passion and commitment of the blog communities to participate in this process and get the word out. Remember, we have made the NYT bestseller list with barely any mainstream media coverage, save Joe Garofoli’s great SF Chronicle piece and some trade coverage. You’ll start to see more coverage out there now, but this bestseller is the result of citizens talking about, and not waiting for elitist media to deem whether or not it was relevant and worthy of attention. This is a true tipping point. So, congratulations are in order for the blogs!!
Thank you, Glenn. I’ve read the book and will re-read it again. I also purchased a few additional copies and gave them to family and friends.
I agree with you — talking about all the scandals together provides a big picture of what is happening in our government and is sure to awaken more citizens and empower them with a lens to interpret current events.
The book is truly wonderful. Thank you.
P.S. If I might offer one suggestion, when it is reprinted, a slightly larger font would be easy on the eyes.
I think one of the more powerful arguments against trading liberty for security out of fear is to simply bring up historical examples of what happens when people do that.
Article 48 of the Weimar Republic constitution is the most obvious example.
Glenn – Great book! Your blog is my second stop everyday right after FDL. I, along with several friends, have been sending e-mails to Diane Reem to feature your book and interview you. Hopefully, the e-mails will perhaps push her to expose her wide audience to your timely book.
Do you have an updated book tour and radio/T.V. schedule?
Also, could Jennifer list information (ISBN #, etc.) that I can take to local book stores to encourage them to carry your book?
Thanks. You are a true Patriot.
Ubikan – I think we need to talk about fear explicitly. Nobody likes to think of themselves as fearful or manipualted by fear. If we talk directly about fear-mongering as a Bush tactic, I think that can make people think differently about how they have been reacting – especially now that we are more than 4 years away from 9/11 and people see that there are plenty of more pressing concerns, threats to their families, etc., than the possibility of an attack by jihadists.
Kevin J – I would say that a very sizable portion of the e-mail I get about my book are from people who have read it, loved it, and are not liberal. The most common comment about the book is that people believe it can appeal to those across the ideological spectrum. Libertarians are a natural consistuent for the argument – they have traditionally hated government surveillance and definitely hate radical theories to expand executive power as it applies to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.
Glenn 26 — it’s sad, isn’t it? The impoverished thought that arises from wingnut welfare subsidies. If only they had to test their ideas in the free market they purport to value so much, they wouldn’t sell 10 copies. They cannot comprehend a book that succeeds on its merits, even in spite of the hurdles it faces coming from an independent publisher. Oh the nanny state created by the wingnut thinktanks…
I think what Glenn exposes in his narrative arc is not just a series of individual affronts but a systematic pattern of abuse of power. Cheney has been wanting to reexpand presidential authority since he left the Nixon White House. Did anyone not see that coming? Certainly the MSM hasn’t-they myopically focus on individual events and are totally missing the bigger and more dangerous picture.
Thank you for this clear, beautifully argued, absolutely chilling book. Back in March I wrote to my senators (Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr, yeah, I know) to object to the president’s putting himself above the law. Their replies both hit 9/11 within the first few sentences, then maintain the president can conduct warrantless surveillance to gather foreign intelligence, even in peacetime (FISA is not mentioned…wonder why). More flawed arguments follow. With your book, I feel I have a guide to all the compelling points that need to be made, right now, to our legislators and to our families, friends and colleagues. Thank you.
Glenn, I found your book to be the contemporary end of an arc which stretches back to William O. Douglas’ (also small) book: Points of Rebellion from 1970. Douglas traces the borders of Americans’ acquiescence to their rulers, the limits of the governed’s consent to be governed.
Glenn you merely pose the question (the rage throughout the blogosphere) and leave it unanswered. I found your narrative to be deeply foundational, calling out to each of us through the tradition of our civics classes, the summarized ethos of all of our combined Fourth of July speeches, the cognitive space still shared by left and right, by blue and red Americans, and by recent and third and fourth generation immigrants.
You show us that the public record establishes that President Bush and his administration are public scofflaws, by their own public statements. In a multitude of ways above and beyond the domestic spying scandal, their actions have brought our nation into global disrepute (many chops here to the Dixie Chicks); his term has nearly two and a half years left in it. What are we going to do? Which possible actions are both within our constitutional framework, our individual scope and possess some plausible impact? How can we take back our nation’s good name?
Justice Douglas, some thirty-five years ago, maintained that the core American experience is a shared delight in a profound eighteenth century revolution, a time when we the people got it right in opposition to tyranny, when we began shaking the world with our great experiment. If our nation is to endure, has hope of recovering from the radical tyrants now in control of the reins of our government, we can only count on ourselves, our individual and our collective actions.
But what are they to be?
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Kevin J 39 — Cheney has been wanting to reexpand presidential authority since he left the Nixon White House.
That goes to Swopa’s comment above about using 1984 as a strategy manual.
Citizen pressure on the major dailies, particularly NYT and WaPo, to review the book would be a wonderful project. I also got a note from the editor of BookBrowse.com today, who suggested that citizen reviews on all the online retailer sites, including her own site, will also help get the attention of major media. We don’t want to just place reviews on Amazon…should spread it around as much as possible.
I would also like to see some pressure put on the NYT to answer why they put the “bulk order” dagger next to Glenn’s book. I know of no big orders made by groups or individuals, and would like to know exactly how many books constitute a “bulk.” Anyone know?
Glenn, I think your book is great. I was pleased to have ordered it on the same day that it went to No. 1 on Amazon.
I have been acutely aware throughout the Bush maladministration that he was trampling on civil liberties in various ways, but did not grasp the totality of it–the organized pattern of criminal conduct that it entails–until I read your book. Any chance of filing a RICO action against Bush and his co-conspirators?
I was glued to the book. I found it particularly creepy to be reminded of the Hamdi and Padilla cases, which I didn’t remember fully. I want to see everyone talking about this, all over the media, all summer. Thanks so much for writing this!
Glenn:
Do you see any evidence based on the correspondence you are receiving that people are prepared to abandon, or consider abandoning, the “War on Terror” manipulative metaphor?
Finished the book in two bus/train trips. Lots of ‘leaners’ checking out the cover – so nice work on design and title also. Really terrific writing and spare editing. There’s a generational aspect to this that I think is very important – there was one comment printed on the book to the effect of “this book made me fall in love with our Constitution.” That has been the effect of Glenn’s writing on me. Inspiration to return to the actual texts of the Declaration, Constitution, and Federalists again – I’m so, so thankful for that. For Xers and Yers who probably haven’t spent a lot of serious time with those documents in years, I hope and believe this can serve many of us as a reawakening.
Glenn or Jenn, I’be been meaning to ask/suggest this.
Has anyone sent Nat Hentoff a copy of the book to review? He’s been writing about the abuses of power by this administration for the Village Voice and he’s one of the only journalists in America that seems to understand how poorly most Americans grasp their civic traditions.
Glenn @37: so what are the libertarians saying that they are willing to do about it? Specter keeps talking about going after this but his actions contradict him. This shouldn’t be a democrat-republican issue as you say in your book. The actions of this administration strike at the very core of who we are as an American nation.
Jane 38 – I think one problem on the Left is that there is some resistance to profit-based projects – people think that if you are selling something, there is less reason to support it. But in our society, the worth of something is measured by how well it does in the market. Good or bad, that’s the reality. And the Right understands that. That’s why they work so hard to depict every progressive project as a failure (Air America, Al Gore, etc., attacks on Markos’ book), while doing everything – including outright manipulation – to make their projects seem so succsesful in the marketplace. And that feeds off itself – “successful” right-wing authors get on television to talk about their ideas, get op-ed space, etc. It’s important to stop that process.
But as you point out, the reality is the opposite. Their books don’t sell. They are subsidized. And there is clearly a market for anti-Bush projects. They are desperate to cling to that advantage – that’s why they will attack anything that seems successful from the Left (Byron York) while doing anything to continue to prop up their dying cultist products.
Debuted at number freaking Eleven !!!?
Wow – Get Nigel Tufnel on the phone.
And get ready for the Swifties folks, because the ones they really fear now is you all.
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I have long thought about Padilla: “There but for the grace of God, go I”. Chilling!
If things were,well,normal in the country right now,what would be happening to stop this? Besides impeachment I mean.
If you or I broke the law we’d be subject to being arrested,possibly put in jail,go on trial and then be sentenced or exonerated depending on the outcome.
I know you can’t bring criminal charges against a sitting president,but he’s not the only one involved in this.Others wouldn’t have that immunity,right?
I know it’s complicated due to just the sheer volume of lawbreaking,but what would be the process to bringing charges against the key players in this?
Nat Hentoff has received a copy of the book, at his personal request. He left a message on my phone saying he thought this was going to be an important and extraordinary book. But I don’t think he’s written about it yet. Glenn–has he interviewed you?
for the product details request
Paperback: 144 pages
Publisher: Working Assets Publishing (May 15, 2006)
Language: English
ISBN: 097794400X
Byron York questioning the Bestseller ranking of Glenn’s book is the equivalent of a cheating husband have his wife tailed by a private eye to see if she is sleeping with someone else.
Trying to plow through the book before the discussion, but I’m only on p. 72 so take my comments below with that in mind.
Love it so far Glenn! Concise and easy to understand, thus scary as hell!
It seems that there is actually only one way out this constitutional pickle as presented by Glenn: “The President is above the law and the Constitution gives him the right to ignore both Congress and the courts.” p. 70
The one way out MUST be impeachment. I dream of the day a Congress (that respects it’s own Article I Constitutional powers) demands of the President: “You will either legally recognize the powers, checks and balances that the other two branches hold in relation to your power or you will summarily be impeached.”
Barring a revolution of the people, by the people, and for the people…I truly see no other way to check the powers Cheney, err Addington, err Bush has claimed. Am I correct. Or is there another way to undo the extreme power-grab that occured? Could a future President UNDO this mess by clarifying the executive powers?
Thanks.
A slightly tangential comment, but hopefully useful –
In a book written by Frank Kingdon and published in 1950, As FDR Said — A treasury of his speeches, correspondence, and writings, the chapter on Political Philosophy begins with an FDR quote:
Philosophy? Philosophy? I am a Christian and and Democrat — that’s all.
It would seem that the entire purpose of the GOP slime machine is to turn that truth into a lie — a mission that has been accomplished through the GOP intimidation and buyout of the Corporate Media.
It is my opinion that it will take a leader of FDR’s caliber, to overcome the media filter by speaking directly to the American People.
Kevin J 39 – You are exactly right. So much of what is happening is the by-product of post-Nixon resentment on the part of people like Cheney and Rumsfeld that the Government was limited in what it was allowed to do. 9/11 – combined with one-party rule and a frightened, zombified media – enabled them not just to return to where they thought executive power should be, but go way, way beyond it.
Pach – I really do think that Americans have grown tired of the constant war invocations. Everyone knows this does not look or feel like a war. Where are the battles? The battlefields? The attacks? The objectives? I think most national politicial officials haven’t realized it’s not 2003 anymore – those pieties can be challenged. But they don’t.
Neurophius – Personally, I don’t think litigating is the solution. I think changing public opinion is.
On the technicalities of bulk sales I’m ignorant. – but an anecdote. I have a local bookseller who complained to me of his inability to order copies from Working Assets. My first thought was that it was folks like him who were perhaps placing larger orders through Amazon at $7.20 a copy and pricing in their own shops at $12. ?
shooogarp #55– i sent a note to Byron York on Friday, telling him that i was also trying to get to the bottom of the bulk sales mystery. even gave him contact info for my NYT bestseller list staffer. no word back from NYT or Mr. York yet.
Glenn, surely there are libertarian sites that will review your book? (And Jen, Hentoff’s interest is not surprising; I’d be shocked if he lacked it.) Have you pursued Reason; Jacob Sullum has written along themes similar to yours, tho not nearly in such a deeply analytical manner? And is it still the case that *no* right-of-center bloggers will review your book?
shooogarp 56:
Byron York questioning the Bestseller ranking of Glenn’s book is the equivalent of a cheating husband have his wife tailed by a private eye to see if she is sleeping with someone else.
That is one for the ages.
FWG #62 – I think some of the Reason people, who link to my blog a lot, would be willing to review it. And Jon Henke of QandO, who is a gerat libertarian blogger, has agreed to review it. None of the others was willing to. They have barely mentioned it – even though, content aside, it’s an obviously significant blogosphere story. They are trying very hard to ignore it, hoping it goes away.
The book is being distributed by Publishers Group West. And we only signed our contract with them in late April. Because it is an instant book (we got it out in 12 weeks), the sales force there could not get word out to each and every store before the day it rose to #1 on Amazon…then it got everyone’s attention. Individual stores should do well with this book, based on the early buzz and presales online. If that event had not occurred, brick-and-mortar stores might not have heard about the book for several more weeks.
Rat Bastahd – Imagine what would happen if polls showed that 60% or 65% of Americans (rather than 45% or 50%) objected to warrantless eavesdropping, were concerned about the president’s lawbreaking. You would see a much more aggressive Congress, a more attentive press, etc.
That’s why I say that the solution lies in changing public opinion. Nothing can happen until that does, and once it does, things will change quickly.
Glenn, thanks for such a timely and useful book.
Why do you think the constitution, and the bill of rights in particular, are so vulnerable in the first place? I mean, how can politicians even propose unconstitutional laws and activities without shocking the public and getting into instant hot water?
Let me give an example of what I’m talking about. I’ve read that Afghanistan supplies most of the world’s opium, meaning that some of the global heroin trade is probably funding terrorism. Imagine President Bush, or any prominent politician, suggesting the U.S. and the rest of the world put a stop to this by making our own heroin and giving it to addicts on demand. Now, I don’t want to argue about whether this would be a good idea (although to be honest I think it would), I just want people to imagine what would happen. This would be a controversial proposal, to say the least. People would be shocked. Instant hot water. It would certainly be seen as a bigger deal than Bush’s constitutional infringements.
So how is it that some law that got passed becomes a national “suicide pact”, something more important than the “war on terror”, but the constitution itself, from which the legislation is a mere derivative, doesn’t? It’s like someone who’s afraid to tinker with an automobile engine monkeying around with a nuclear reactor.
Is it because the constitution is relatively abstact? In a sense you could call it “meta-law”: Laws about laws. Is it that a lot of people don’t truly agree with the bill of rights or the separation of powers or, to put it another way, wouldn’t agree with them if they weren’t already enshrined in the constitution?
The final chapter of your book (yes, I’ve finished it since last week) seems to address this implicitly when you compare this scandal to Watergate. You seem to suggest it was only the gradual emergence of the concrete specifics of Watergate that caused the public to take it as seriously as it deserved, and that Bush has so far escaped Nixon’s fate because he’s been so successful in keeping this level of detail from the courts, the congress, and the press. Is this inference correct? Do you have any further thoughts to add?
Again, thank you. Here’s hoping your book help’s make Bush’s crimes more real to the public.
Mother Jones I would imagine wanting to reviewing it.
Glenn – There have been many tinfoil hat speculations that the reason Congress is unwilling to exercise its Article I Constitutional powers is because the Bush Adminstration’s spying (they have been spying domestically since 2001?) has dug up dirt on individual members of Congress.
What do you think of these speculations?
Glenn was terrific on C-Span. How can we help get him on television to talk about the book?
He was more poised and thoughtful than nearly everyone that appears on the Sunday talk shows.
He could, but how likely do you think that would be? Set aside for a moment your trust in a democratic president. How many men who seek power so dogedly as to reach the presidency would be likely to turn around and throw away large portions of the power he worked so hard to gain? The answer is clear. People who seek power seek it for a reason. They strive for power to carry out an agenda and they never think of themselves as undeserving of great power. The idea of such a man abdicating their authority is a bit silly if you ask me. It’s against the very nature of those who seek power. That’s why Bush is so terrible. The worst of his legacy may very well be yet to come.
Jen Nix #38 “I would also like to see some pressure put on the NYT to answer why they put the “bulk order” dagger next to Glenn’s book. I know of no big orders made by groups or individuals, and would like to know exactly how many books constitute a “bulk.”"
Jen – you’ve called the NYT to twist their arm, yes?
More congratulations and thanks to you both, Glenn and Jen!
No need to respond to this one — it’s just another anecdote I want you to hear: A couple of days ago, in a Daytona Beach B&N, I handed over a(nother) small pile of HWAPAs to a checkout clerk who took one look at the cover and announced, “Hmm, THIS is one I have to read.” From behind me came two “Yeah, me too”s — a couple of tall college kids had apparently been scoping it out my shoulders.
Pretty soon, we were all in conversation and accord, then the kids turned back to the stacks to get their own copies (whether the clerk made it back there in time to snag her own, I’m not sure).
Obviously, your timing couldn’t have been better, and these blogo-seeds are falling on lots of fertile ground and receptive minds. And for the first time in years, I’m actually looking forward to watching where something in this culture is going . . .
Glenn, thank you for writing the book. Concise, to the point, and fairly cheap I might add.
There is a side of me that wonders when I read about Bush lying so soon after signing modifications to the FISA law that he will abide by the law (and then ordering the NSA to wiretap without warrants from the FISA courts) what the hell he was thinking. And there is another side to me that thinks “It doesn’t matter what he was thinking – it was illegal and unconstitutional”.
The administration’s supporters overlook this lie and many of the administration’s other sins by stoking and then tapping into their own fears to spook the general public. In the long run this backtrack on all of the grandiose law-and-order and strict-constitutionlist rhetoric of the 90’s is going to make it easy to ridicule the GOP for it’s lack of idealistic backbone. Getting to that point is the hard part. Your book makes it easier.
Bought a couple of copies for some “libertarian” friends. Do you have a sense of how many of the old 90’s school of law-and-order conservatives are peeling away from the base? (from emails and other feedback)
Glenn 66 — I also believe, from everything I’ve seen, that those polls are heavily influenced by the way those questions are phrased, usually along the lines of “are you willing to give up a few pesky freedoms you’ll never notice so that George Bush can save the babies from the boogeyman?”
One of the most interesting parts of your book was the study taken of people who were asked who they’d vote for under varying circumstances. Those who had just called to mind their own mortality said they’d vote for Bush; those who had been asked the same questions regarding television instead of death overwhelmingly voted for Kerry. The fear card works for Bush, so of course loyalists play it at all times.
The War On Terra is such a dangerous and distructive sleight-of-hand it’s absolutely critical that it get deconstructed, but it’s such a huge, intimidating monolith you don’t know where to start. I think you did an excellent job in this book, one of its greatest achievements (among many).
It’s great to have both Glenn and Jennifer here. To take Jen’s comment @ 2:38 a step further, two of my local bookstores were not aware of the book. I was amazed by how a phone call and a brief conversation about the book prompted both stores to order it.
The whole notion of fear as the be-all and end-all of the rightwing noise machine, as described in the excerpts above, reminds me of the old Mel Brooks/Carl Reiner comedy routine. Carl is a news interviewer, and Mel is a 2000 year old man, recently discovered and now getting his taste of the 20th century. Carl asks Mel about the origins of all kinds of things, and Mel’s answer is always the same: fear.
Shaking hands? Started with fear (see: nothing in my hand, nothing in your hand, so let’s grab hold of each other so that neither of us can pick up any weapons).
Marriage? Fear again (you need someone to watch for danger while you sleep, then you watch while they sleep).
You get the idea. From Mel Brooks’ mind, fear was comedy; from Darth Cheney’s mind, fear is a means to power.
What would a patriot do? Bring back the 2000 year old man, and mock the living daylights out of the fearmongers on the right.
Our team is pitching Glenn to producers. Some producers have requested books. But I would venture to say that the more they hear from the public at these shows, asking that Glenn be interviewed, the more luck he will have. I do think the NYT status will go a long way with producers, though. I used to be a producer at NPR, and bestseller status goes a long way toward getting attention. But, rest assured we’re doing all we can, and will take any assistance form all of you.
Yes, Mother Jones and a number of indy media outlets are planning excerpts, reviews, articles, etc. Again, with an instant book, we got this project out so fast that magazine lead times have not really caught up with it yet. But, coverage is coming.
Glenn @64, I thought I’d read Mark Coffey at Decision ‘08 announce he would be reviewing it. And really, you or Working Assets should pay Jeff Goldstein to review it, for the entertainment value alone.
Ouish – The Founders knew the Constitution would be vulnerable. It’s only a piece of paper. Anyone with an army can ignore it and violate it. Their principal solution was this – each branch of Government would resist encorachments by the other two, and if any one branch really went to an extreme, there are remedies wielded by the other two to stop them. Then the media is supposed to be a back-up check. The problem here is that all of those checks, for various reasons, have failed. That is why the COnstitution has become so vulnerable – to people intent on subverting its mandates.
But the point of the last chapter is that the American people are always the last check, and to me, if they object to the abuses of power, those abuses will come to an end.
Shooograph – Honestly, I try to avoid speculation that I can’t ground in evidence. To me, the problem is that we don’t know how the administration has used its eavesdropping powers precisely because they did it secretly (with no oversight) and Congress has refused to investigate. In the past, secret eavesdropping power has always been abused, so there is reason to think it has been. My guess is that massive blackmailing would result in at least one person brave enough to come forward, but I have no idea one way or the other if that’s happened. We should know how this eavesdropping was used.
lotuslander 73 — that’s a great story.
percy 71–sent an email to Brian Kennedy at the NYT, but haven’t heard back yet.
Glenn, will you be at Yearly Kos?
Jen Nix 78 — I think we should also push to get Glenn on Olbermann. Hell we make up 70% of his audience, don’t we?
Given how fast the target is moving, I’d like to hear from Glen and Jen about what new stuff they would put into the 2nd edition of the book if they were to put it out, say, next week?
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Re ck’s comment @ 58 about the need for Rooseveltian character to emerge.
Is not the work of Mr. Greenwald et al. making that possible?
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My point upthread was that Mr. York was just the advance man. Thus, it might be wise, now that he has been dispatched, to ignore him and get ready for the onslaught to come – forcing a couple of highprofile MSM reviews would be a decent first line of offensive defense.
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Jane 83–I’ve talked several times now to Gregg Cockrell at Olbermann’s show. He was the first producer to call and ask for a book, but so far has not yet booked Glenn. Not sure why not. Glenn’s tour has him in NY from June 15-19…so, whaddya say, Gregg??
glenn – great book. I posted at your place once that I’d never much given a rat’s ass about politics before GWB came along; I now see that you were much the same. More are awakening all the time, I think.
Question on the Michigan case and the judge who saw the govt’s motion to dismiss due to secrecy, and more or less ignored it. Assuming this gets to the Sixth Circ, and govt position is upheld, where would – will(?) the S.Ct. shake out on this in your opinion?
Glenn or Jen is there a book tour page? Would love to have you down in Atlanta or Philly.
RossK–we’re actually talking about our third printing already. not sure yet what all we’ll be adding, in terms of content…but…it will be very to go back for a new cover with NYT Bestseller across the top!
As to why there isn’t more outrage . . . .
we have to remember that it was Ronald Reagan who started the theme of “Government is the problem”. A whole generation has grown up poorly educated (formally) and learning through osmosis that government is not important in their lives.
So, what government “does” is simply not that important.
In our micro-business we have a bright 33-year-old female, college edcuated, who has *no* idea what is going on in the world and simply doesn’t care.
Fault the media, but fault the schools and fault Reagan.
FWG – Yes, Mark Coffey has now agreed to review the book. He probably won’t agree with any of it, but I expect he’ll be fair.
Neurophius – Ill be at YearlyKos – I’m on a panel with Armando, Ralph Neas, and a couple of other people whom I can’t remember right now.
RossK – I would definitely add a discussion of the NSA data-collecting program. It is clear that there are more surveillance programs justified under these theories that haven’t been revealed yet, and more general conduct by the government that violates other statutes, too. I will probably write a magazine article in the next month or so discussing some recent developments which relate to the power theories discussed by the book.
Glenn at 80 — to follow up on your point, I think the Founders also relied, in some part, on the vanity and essential human ego of the people involved in each branch — not just the integrity. The encroachment of one branch into another at that point was thought to be a personal affront — and with old line Senators (like Byrd or Warner) as well as with judges who have been on the bench long enough to know what they are seeing, you get that push back, from a personal and an institutional perspective.
But the collusion between the Republicans and Congress and in the WH at the moment is beyond what even I would have expected in terms of what the folks in Congress have been willing to give up in favor of an overall party power manipulation. If you look at historical antecedents where the President and his party were both in power in in both Congress and the WH, there was still oversight at meaningful levels in important matters like intelligence and military and other areas.
And because so much of the day-to-day agency business has been delegated to the executive — to enable members of Congress to have more fundraising and campaigning time, and less potential for pissing off constituents, it’s just a mess. This has been creeping up for years — the Bush Administration just jumped in with both feet to move it along at a sharper pace, and without regard for institutional traditions and norms.
ubikcan–Our web site team is working on getting the tour info up. Tour is co-sponsored by Drinking Liberally chapters. He will be in Philly, actually, around the time he’s in NY. Check Glenn’s blog and our publishing site http://www.workingassetspublishing in the next day or so as things firm up. But he kicks off his tour in Florida this week, then comes to SF for some media and his book launch party on June 8, at Swig on Geary, from 6-8. Any SF folks out there? And then we head to YearlyKos and Take Back America.
And I thought I was a cynic D. Mason ;^)
Like I said, “I dream of a day when…” we have someone run for President because they believe in US. Someone who trusts the people instead of fearing US. Instead of a govt that uses the people’s fear to accumulate power, one that would use the people’s productivity, ingenuity, and grit to form a stronger govt based on unifying themes instead of the dreaded “us and them” bullshit.
It may sound silly, but imagine putting the American people through another war. Many are already shutting down emotionally, and wait til the bill comes due. If we could survive such evil foolishness as a war with Iran the people would surely say ENOUGH WAR. Out of that will come a different day. It’s already happening, it’s really a matter of WHEN, and how much damage will occur first.
Glenn,
Thanks so much for your posts and commitment to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and I am sorry I have not read it yet; my copy is still in the international mails somewhere. On your site I comment under my name, Robert Chatel.
Um abrao, and I look forward to reading it. Thanks to this site aw well and to the commenters who add to it.
JB – There are definitely apathetic people, but I really believe that most Americans have deeply ingrained within them an appreciation for what this country has meant and the liberties it guarantees. If they take it for granted and think that things are fine, they won’t pay attention. But if they can be persuaded that those things are truly endangered, I believe many of them will become much more engaged.
Congrats Glenn and Jen from a fellow Sausalitan.
In addition to everything else, the cover of the book is excellent. I sure wouldn’t mind wearing a T-shirt with the cover image. Is there one available? It certainly could be a conversation starter.
Glenn,
I got my copy of HWAPA in the first Amazon shipment.
I finished it that evening a few weeks back and now it’s going around the family.
Notes from my read are to ask you about John Yoo and his legal theories.
How does the legal community regard Yoo’s work.
Do you think Yoo is just a Bush stooge or a major player in the Fascist takeover?
Does the Federalist Society support Yoo?
How does Boalt Law School see Yoo as an asset, teaching Constitutional Law?
Thanks for your great book, it’s very readable, just the right size and your message comes through very clearly.
Hi All
I tried to get Glenn’s book at the Barnes&Nobel’s at the Spectrum in
Irvine Ca.(behind the orange curtain) …and none of their retail outlets
had a copy, but I could special order it. I look forward to reading it.
I agree with your perspective of, Markert as a majority cultural value
indicator, whilst looking to get some money in the above’s worthy
coffers.
Jen 78, do your NPR contacts include Terry Gross and her producer? Glenn + “Fresh Air” = perfect match!
Well I just finished the book and reviewed it on Amazon. This afteroon I will deliberate and fill out my absentee ballot for Tuesday. We will get our country back! Thank you both (Glenn And Jennifer) for an extraordinary book
Talcott 100–yes, not sure what B&N’s problem has been. PGW got the books out to them, but they seem to be only very slowly making it the B&N stores. I have seen it here, in Marin, however.
Valley Girl 98–There’s a great org called Good Storm. Maybe we could organize getting some T-shirt, bumper stickers etc. from them.
Jen, if you’re doing reprints with new content, who about simply adding the Constitution (or at least the Bill of rights) as an appendix? Yes I know it’s available everywhere but it would be nice to have it handy when Glenn references Article 14 or whatever.
Glenn & Jennifer congratulations and congratulations to America for recognizing your work! I’m curious Glenn your thoughts on the ABA Board of Governors’ vote on Friday to form a panel to review the Presidential Signing Statements. Second: Yesterday’s Canadian home grown terrorist roundup seemed so positive to me as I perceived Canadian citizens, despite their terrorist bent, being granted their civil rights all through the process of investigation and coming through the other side with a very solid case for prosecutors to work with. Any thoughts?
Glenn:
You should try to get on the Daily Show as well.
Although I hate much of the show, Imus is pretty effective at promoting books. It’s worth a shot.
Jen: Would the Florida Tour include a stop with the Drinking Liberally in Ybor City, and if so, what day is it? Thanks! I haven’t received my copy yet….
Christy 92 – Great point, exactly right. They thought that Congressmen would have as their primary objective protecting the power of the Congress, that judges would fight for judicial power, etc. That was supposed to supercede party loyalty because, as you point out, it is human nature. You see it in spurts – the spat over the FBI’s search of Congressional offices, although base and self-interested, is how things are supposed to work – Republican and Democratic Representatives were fighting first for Congressional power, and partisan identification was subordinate.
That should have been happening all along. Senators should have been furious that the President decided he could ignore FISA because that is THEIR law – it is really an institutional humiliation. But they didn’t care. For all sorts of reasons — many of which you point out — they allowed the executive to run roughshod over their prerogatives, as have the courts. That is why we have an unrestrained executive. The Congress, more than anything else, sacrified their personal dignity to become so craven and submissive to this president. That wasn’t supposed to happen.
Lotuslander 101–sent info to Patty Lewsing, a Fresh Air producer last week, and a friend of hers who is a member of the Drinking Liberally chapter in Philly has also inquired on Glenn’s behalf. I believe Glenn’s journey, as well as his reporting and analysis, would make for a classic Terry Gross interview, and will be very disappointed if this book–and the tipping point it represents–are not recognized by that show’s producers and host.
Thank you Glenn, and congratulations on the listing. I think you are in a perfect position do do a follow-up where you can drill down to the heart of the neocon philosophy, and that is in their following the thinking of Leo Strauss. Wolfowitz was one of his students.
Here is a brief snippet from the wikiopedia writeup on Strauss.
-sofistic
Ubikcan #104 – Great idea! I had to keep a printed copy from the internet as a bookmark while I was reading the book. I left it in the book and it is now passing amongst friends, most of who are very conservative, and dare I say Republican.
Most comments from my right-wing friends remark on how well written and argued the book is. I can’t think of a greater compliment to Glenn’s work that causing cognative dissonance in Republican minds.
Rat Bastard it’s true that I am cynical and even more towards government than most things. I believe that people can and do seek power with good intentions, but it usually has a taint of ends justifying means. Still, the motivations behind having sought power have little to do with a willingness to relinquish it in the name of the greater good.
In the founders writings you see them saying “jealousy” again and again. “Guarding jealously against encroachments” is a recurring theme in the Federalist. They didn’t trust people with power, and what’s more – they didn’t trust EACH OTHER with power, as once they started getting into office they started turning on each other.
Paine denounced Washington and Adams. Adams called Paine a cretin. Adams and Jefferson went at each other in one of the most diviise elections in American history, arguable far more controversial than 2000.
Whoops, wuz a plus sign in there when it left here . . .
Thank you Glenn. Absolutely essential reading. Clears away the confusion which is what the Bush administration depends on for its very existance.
I believe a democratic administration could, and would, clean this up quickly. Is that your opinion?
Thanks again. Elizabeth
That’s why I say that the solution lies in changing public opinion. Nothing can happen until that does, and once it does, things will change quickly.
With Bush’s JAR at 29%, public opinion has already changed — which means that when the Corporate Media continues to endorse the GOP narrative, they do so at their own peril.
The fact that the Gen Y cohort relies on the Daily Show and the Colbert Report and the internet for their news, further undermines the media’s credibility — the media CEO’s should be fearing the collapse of their market value.
The question is — how do we get the corner office types to understand that in placing their bets on the Right Wing GOP Narrative, they have put their entire enterprise at risk?
Drury studied under Strauss. She says that neoconservatives send her notes in private praising her for her understanding of his teaching.
Justintime – As a lawyer, one could say that John Yoo did his job. He invented legal arguments to give his “client” – the Bush administration – what it wanted: the broadest possible scope of power.
But he was more than just a lawyer. He was advocating theories of government. And as such, what he did was about as destrucive and dangerous as it gets. John Yoo is an authoritarian who simply does not believe in the constitutional principles on which our country was founded. He believes in unrestrained one-man rule.
I don’t blame Berkeley for hiring him – there’s no reason all views shouldn’t be heard, especially in academia, and especialyl when they have had the influence (pernicious though it is) that Yoo’s have had. But what he wrote in his various Memoranda is, one could say without hyperbole, the opposite of America – and to the extent those rancid theories linger, he will justifiably be regarded as a highly destructive and misguided individual.
I like very much the idea of including the Constitution in an appendix.
Glenn,
Just finished Kevin Phillips’ newest book and _Europe Central_, and I’m going to get your book when I go to town Tuesday. I’ve enjoyed the comments Jane and Redd and others have extracted from your web page, ’cause I can’t read your web site on my OS10 Mac using Safari – the text is hidden in the background.
The NYRB review of _Crashing…._ was excellent. Are they going to review your book?
Jane,
Thanks for doing this book club theme. I’ve learned a lot from this post, even though I haven’t read Glenn’s book yet.
Elizabeth – One could argue that Democrats haev been less inclined towards claims of broad executive power than Republicans have. But, for the reasons Christy was discussing, it is hard to take power away from political officials, and even harder to get them to give it away voluntarily. If these Bush executive power theories are still institutionalized when the next president assumes office in 2009, I don’t think we can afford to complacently assume that the next President won’t try to take advantage of them, regardless of what party that President belongs to.
CK – It’s true that public opinion has shifted with regard to Bush generally, but that’s not because of his lawlessness. I think public opinion needs to be heightened in that area.
D.Mason, I guess I’m imagining an Al Gore upon taking office Jan. 2009 saying (and meaning it): “We, as a nation, have been through some very tumultous and dark times, and as part of the healing process I harken back to the days the President and Congress worked in a bipartisan manner within the law. We will work together to solve the biggest issues facing us in forward-looking manner with open debate. As a starting point I have had the DOJ write a declaration (or whatever the proper term is) amending any past executive signing statements (etc.) that declared the President above oversight.” I’m no speech writer, but hopefully it makes my point.
In essence, we need a “do-over.”
I’ll obviously defer to Jane, Christy, and Pach, but it seems that “inviting” local dailies to review HOW WOULD A PATRIOT ACT is a possible net-roots project. It provides a nice feedback loop, because we can keep score of which of the dailies in the U.S. have published a review and which we have to “invite” even more cordially.
You probably are way ahead of me on this one, Politics and Prose, in DC is booked through June with author events. I’ve been there when CSPAN covered an author, which really leverages your time, if you can get CSPAN to cover it.
From really deep in the FWIW column, perhaps capitolizing on last nights Kos interview with Timmeh Russert, Mr. Press the Meat, is appearing at Politics and Prose on June 10 at 11:00AM
http://www.politics-prose.com/calendar.htm
to autograph his latest waste of trees. If someone showed up 11:00AM wearing a lot Buffalo Bills gear, they might ask Timmeh if he wanted to interview an author who was already on the NYT’s best seller list.
Jennifer, thanks for bringing to our attention the NYT’s error with respect to the inaccurate “dagger” of “bulk purchases.” I only know of a few thousand FDL’ers who will bring this to the public editor’s attention.
Thanks to both you and Jennifer for all your work.
Glenn – I know you have mentioned this question before, but in your opinion, what would have happened if Kerry won the Presidency in 2004?
Would the Bush Adminstration have briefed Kerry on what they were doing, or would have it all just gone down the memory hole?
Also, if Kerry were briefed, do you think he would have continued the programs as is?
rat bastahd 122, amen — but WHOEVER is standing there on January 20, 2009, better announce that do-over!
Jen,
We need to get this book in every college campus bookstore and in the hands of constitutional and poli-sci law professors across america.
Germinate the debate.
jen at 86
Do you know where signings will be in NYC, yet?
I agree completely. However I imagine you’re only talking about the last 5 years. I would take a mulligan on the last 30 or so.
Glenn–Wondering if you could give us all an update on where Feingold’s censure resolution stands. And Conyers’ resolution for investigation into impeachable offenses. Are they still active, voted down? Anything we can do on these fronts?
Thanks so much for the book, Glenn.
Love the reference to Patrick Henry in the post. The longer quote is so wonderfully powerful, I’ve memorized it, as a retort to the ridiculous wingnut talking point. Here it is:
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, God Almighty! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.
– Patrick Henry, 1775, to the Virginia Assembly on the decision to commit Virginia’s troops to the Revolutionary Army.
Glenn 121 — I think this has been the biggest surprise for me. At some time I expected even Republican members of congress to stand up and “Wait a minute!” as their own powers were appropriated, but rather than do so, they argued the Bushie’s right to do so (Cornyn, Roberts). This was a check that the founders anticipated, but it never happened — at least until Dennis Hastert caught a whiff of his own guilty ass being investigated. Did BushCo./K Street allow them to steal so much that it acted as a counterbalance? Are they all just waiting for fat paybacks like Dick Cheney from the greed and graft the War On Terra has enabled once they’re out of office? It’s the only thing I can figure.
John Casper has an excellent idea –
Many newspapers hire freelancers to write book reviews — why shouldn’t the net roots call on the journalists among us (former and otherwise) to write reviews of Glenn’s book, which can then be offered to the newspapers?
It makes the editors’ jobs that much easier, and reviews written by journalists come with some built in credibility.
Glenn @ 108 –
The Senate Watergate hearings were a fairly good example of what you’re describing. Republican Senators, even while wanting to support their party’s president, recognized that if they failed to hold their own president’s administration to account, they would lack the moral authority to do so with a president from another party. Same thing in the House Judiciary Committee at the time.
But the times, they are a-changin’ . . .
Excellent post on what may be THE issue of our time.
I keep thinking of “V for Vendetta” (which is of course all about this theme). Our government is not the first, nor will it be the last, to employ this mode of hanging on to power.
One of things we’re planning here in the southern Oregon part of the Roots Project is collecting books to give to the public and high school libraries. #1 and 2 on the list (since I’m making the list :)) is HWAPA and Crashing the Gates. That’s where my copies are going.
Jen – As far as I know, the Feingold Resolution is still lingering in the Judiciary Committee (I know that some Senators talked about opposing it or abstaining, so perhaps there was a vote, but I don’t think so). Given how many Democratic Senators announced that they would not support it, there is no realistic chance for its passage. Democrats killed it by running away from it from the start.
The Conyers impeachment resolution isn’t going anywhere until more Americans recognize the real crisis we have in our country.
Glenn 121 – I’m very glad that you agree on the dangers of passing these powers on to future presidents.
Thanks Jen @89 – 3rd printing already?
Another wow.
Glenn @91– regarding the NSA stuff, that is definitely worth expanding upon especially in the context of the ‘requests’ to have ISP’s hold search engine records….just to let you know, there are already whispers up here in Canuckistan that the scooping of the Toronto 17 was aided by some form of this stuff, so I wouldn’t be surprised, given the relatively minor cross-border connection, if the shills down there start hitting the ‘vindication’ angle hard next week. The ironic thing is that it looks like it was not a wide net-based sweep, but rather targetted and integrated between CSIS and the RCMP (ie. the sytem worked the way it was supposed to). Apologies for the digression, but the fear pimping is well underway up here.
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Glenn at 3:08.
I eagerly await my copy coming from Amazon (via FDL) along with CtG and the Dixie Chicks. Meanwhile, I read with head nodding vigorously your take on John Yoo. Heard him twice on NPR and wanted to go take a decon shower both times. I believe it was he and Bybee (now a federal judge?!) who constructed the whole tortured torture definition memorandum. The interviewers, the shadow of Ken Tomlinson looming over them, I’d suppose, offered nothing in the way of probing questions, whilst I screamed at the radio in a.m. rush hour traffic.
Hypatia 139 – John Yoo expressly told Jane Mayer in the New Yorker that Bush has the absolute right to torture, and that Congress is powerless – powerless – to stop him. He wrote the Bybee memo, and before that re-defined torture to an absurdly narrow degree, with the intent of empowering the President to authorize torture. That is simply indisputable.
John Yoo gave birth to Abu Ghraib and lots of other abuses.
Let’s not deprive Sen. Bunning of Kentucky his rightful place in history alongside Sen. Cornyn of Texas and Sen. Roberts of Kansas:
“…It is important to protect Americans’ civil liberties. And the original Patriot Act and the updated one do this. But I think some Senators are missing the point: civil liberties do not mean much when you are dead…” 2/06 floor speech.
Hypatia at 139
Re: Yoo
The thing that really got me was when I read that the Congressional Research Service reported that the administration had “redirected” about 2.3 billion dollars to the run up to the Iraq war.
Yoo’s claim in his book is that the only constraint to Presidential warmaking available to the Congress is the power of the purse.
The administration has managed to get to the authoritarian right of Yoo.
JSiq 141 — I think that’s the hat trick. It’s an official GOP talking point.
rat bastahd, school and public libraries is a great idea. I could send a few copies to small towns in redder areas. They need the wakeup call more than big cities. But any copies to a library would be good.
Jen, how are library sales going?
Glenn at 3:27.
Does this make him a war criminal?
Glenn- It seems to me that no matter how wide you can spread the book, nothing will change for the majority of citizens because of the manipulation of the vote and the lack of reporting on the subject. Time is running out for the November Election and BushCo’s soldiers must have multiplied many times over since the 2000 Election.
TheOtherWA-we’ve gotten about 10 requests from libraries. We just sent out a release via a popular listserv for libarians. But, again, any and all help is much appreciated.
Ed*ard Teller #120 use Firefox it works! Actually, Safari works with 10.4 as well
Dems have been fighting 9/11 paranoia for years- and without much success. The good news is that it will die of it’s own dead weight eventually. The terror immediately after the event was incredible. I talked to some who were ready to leave the country to escape. You don’t hear anything like that anymore. There is still a bit of fear- and a desire for retribution- fear and anger are intimately connected- but it diminishes a bit daily. It has become such a staple in the gooper diet that one wonders how they will survive without it.
John Yoo said no law of Congress could stop the President from crushing a child’s testicles if he thought it might benefit national security.
That’s how radical he is.
Glenn, in HWAPA you go into the Federalist Papers more than a few times. Other than the Papers themselves, could you recommend a study of the Federalist Papers. And add any other Constitutionally topical books you would like to recommend.
Congratulations Glenn and Jennifer! Thank you for creating this powerful and timely chronicle of truth graced with art! I have so many friends who did not even vote until 2004 after they experienced the 1st four years of this administration. They not only voted in 2004, but a lot of them worked on the campaign and talked with others, encouraging participation. That impetus has only grown, imho, because of the continued and worsening anger toward the Administration and the theft of our Constitution. People are starved for change. Your work contributes mightily toward keeping despair at bay. Thanks again and kudos!
Glenn–Any updates on the administration’s “blatant use of the forces of criminal prosecution to threaten whistle-blowers and intimidate journalists…” (p. 121)
I worked in the book department of a big box store for a couple of years, and some wingnut authors do sell. Ann Coulter sold very well. I did notice that her readers didn’t seem to be regular book buyers. Often I had to guide them through the shelves and put the book in their hands, as if they’d never been in a book department before. Another odd thing is that they never waited for the paperback. We’d get a few dozen hardcovers and they would sell, and then we’d get one paperback and it would just sit there on the shelf. The hardcovers were discounted so that they cost about as much as a CD or DVD, so I guess they were used to that price. A surprisingly popular author, at least in non-fiction, was Oliver North, who has a series of pro-war books. (His fiction, a series of End Times Tom-Clancy-Meets-Beezelbub thrillers, never sold at all, even though I put them right next to the Left Behind series, which sold like crazy. Another total flop was Midge Dector’s Donald Rumsfeld book. We never sold a single copy, which drove me nuts because they went in the biography section, which was always crammed, instead of current events, and I wasn’t allowed to remove books from the shelf to make room. Every time an end cap was free, I’d stash half a dozen copies there.)
Also, sometimes there’d be a burst of wingnut customers coming in to special order a book we didn’t carry (like the anti-Kerry book Unfit to Command), no doubt propelled by some wingnut media wave.
One thing I had to watch out for was politicized customers hiding the other side’s books. Both sides did this, though the wingnuts did it more. I always had to keep an eye on the current event shelves, looking for suspicious face-outs.
Since this was an insty-book, revised versions should be acceptable.
How many times did Walt Whitman revise Leaves of Grass?
Everyone – I have to leave. This discussion was really great. I am starting my book tour on Tuesday and this was a great way to start – with a high-level discussion from people who have read the book and/or have thought a lot about these issues. It happens slowly, but I really think we can turn the tide with regard to the admnistration`s ability to continue to abuse its power.
Thank you so much to Jane & Christy for hosting this. I really enjoyed it.
Glenn — thanks so much for coming. Will be great to meet you in person in Vegas. :) And thanks so much for the book.
Thanks ck.
Thinking really outside the box.
Would the Dixie Chicks link to HWAPA on their site?
http://www.dixiechicks.com/
You could sell the “placement” to their managers as a marketing strategy to defuse the unpatriotic label that the corporate media and a lot of the Country Music establishment and radio stations slimed them with.
BTW, Dixie Chick’s sales numbers for this latest album are still significantly below what their last two debuted at. Chicks’ managers might be interested in test marketing a coupon in HWAPA to see if it introduces them to new buyers that they cannot otherwise reach. That requires significant coordination (expense) upstream at the publishing level, but the Dixie Chicks managers might have the cash and interest in doing it.
2699–The number of troops that GW Clusterfuck has butchered in Iraq as of a few hours ago. As this number approaches the number of 9/11 casualties- the fear and anger may spread in an undesired direction- from the goopers point of view.
Hello from Las Vegas!
I just bought your book the other day Glenn. Damn! Still have about twenty pages to go and hope to finish it soon.
I have not read through the comments so I do not know if this has been addressed. As you have clearly stated that the NSA warrantless wiretapping program is illegal, wouldn’t the Government be placed in an unattenable position by prosecuting journalists for publishing a “classified program”, when illegal programs cannot be classified.
In short, wouldn’t such a case put the legality of the program in play?
Just a thought and great book!
Everyone–please feel free to contact me directly with suggestions about the book and for ways we can all continue to spread the word together. jennifer DOT nix AT gmail DOT com
Jane & Christy–this Book Salon rocks. Not surprising that FDL is on teh leading edge of showing the media elites what the people really want to hear about!
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About the polls–after the most recent one on the phone companies’ involvement in the warrantless eavesdropping many of us became VERY suspicious of the pollsters themselves.
It may not be *solely* about public opinion. Just realize how much they have to gain by those polls showing “no one” cares about the eavesdropping! I wouldn’t put it past them for a minute. They’ve done far worse things.
Ed*ard Teller @ 3:09 pm (#120) – I’ll second Mark Dining’s suggestion about Firefox, but you might also try turning off Javascript if Safari allows you to do that (I’ve never used a Mac). Things work a bit more smoothly even in Firefox without JS. The only thing you lose is the preview function, which if you just write text without any HTML embedded isn’t that useful, anyway.
Have any copies of HWAPA been sent to the senate?
I will be asking Maria Cantwell what she thinks of the issues raised in your book.
What about a VNR on the power of blogs? As one example, Glenn’s meteoric rise on Amazon. (50,000th to #1 overnight) The Seattle stations love stories about Amazon.
Glenn,
Thanks for your comments on Yoo.
It seems to me John Yoo teaching Constitutional law is like a creationist teaching biology.
I just hope Boalt doesn’t graduate a swarm of Yooian attorneys.
Your chapter “Fear as a Weapon” exposed a fear I’d been carrying around since Bush v Gore when I realized how much preparation went into the takeover. My fear was amplified by 9/11, not so much by any terrorist threat but with the realization of how vulnerable we are to a majority population disabled by fear.
Do try to get on the Daily Show–Stephen “Truth to Power” Colbert would be lots of fun as well!!
Nuf Said–I’ve heard from some folks who’ve bought the book and sent it to members of Congress. No concerted effort has yet happened, but I know some people on Digby’s site were talking about organizing an effort.
Re: the VNR idea. Good one. Know any producers?
Glenn, Oilfieldguy asks a great question in his 3:43pm comment. I’d just like to piggyback a similar question about the “black sites” program. In this case, also, reporters are supposedly being investigated for releasing classified information. Once again, we seem to be confronted with the irony that they may be trying to prosecute reporters for releasing information that was illegally classified in the first place.
Oscarsmom–I’ve sent info to one of Colbert’s producers, but no word back yet. Certainly hoping the recognize Glenn’s work with an invitation to appear on the Colbert Report.
Jane- your comment/ question at 131 was exactly what I was thinking.
Glenn — thanks so much to you (and Jen both) for joining us today. One of our best ever.
“In partisan terms, there is dramatic evidence for a generational divide. Young people today are much more likely to identify or lean Democratic rather than Republican, especially compared with the GenXers and late Baby Boomers who are in their 30s and 40s today. For example, among 18-24 year olds in Pew surveys over the past year and a half, fully 51% say they are Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party; just 37% are Republicans or lean to the GOP. By contrast, Republicans match the Democrats among those 40-44 years old (43% Republican, 45% Democrat) – those Americans who came of age during the Reagan years.
In fact, the partisan leanings of DotNets today mirror their parents’ generation – many of whom are in the first half of the Baby Boomer cohort. Among Baby Boomers who came of age during the late 1960s and early 1970s – those roughly ages 50-59 now – party identification is nearly the same as among the DotNets: 51% Democratic or leaning, 38% Republican.”
Interesting study from Pew indicating that the Bush liars haven’t been able to reach the twenty something generation. Worth a read
Jen Nix(119): “I like very much the idea of including the Constitution in an appendix.”
Make it the Forward, and place it after the preface. That’ll underline the importance of the Constitution to Glenn’s arguments. Including it as an Appendix will just resonate as another appendix, the way the Constition is an appendix in dictionaries and encyclopedias; i.e. an afterthought.
Placing the Constitution as a forward would present it as required knowledge rather than an afterthought.
Jane at 131
IMO, the Republicans planned on retaining control of all three branches for the indefinite future. That talk of McKinley wasn’t idle. The trouble for them was they picked the spawn of Harding and Hoover as their first president.
Their complete lack of scruple in drawing up districts, using smear campaigns via third parties and suppressing votes indicates that they did not intend to lose an election for a very long time to come. Not to mention their willingness to simply steal elections.
No matter how many of Kennedy’s stories you believe, you still come away thinking like Sam Spade talking about sending Mary over–”look at the number of them.”
And, of course, some vote suppression takes place in plain sight–Georgia’s ID law, the proposed federal ID law. It was their plan (and is still their plan, imo) to hold both elected branches indefinitely. Also note that permitting this kind of unchecked executive power in the area of surveillance makes it easier to win elections; democratic challengers to House seats should prepare themselves for a very, very dirty election.
Richard Brookhiser, National Review Online has a new book out, with an obviously copycat and borderline infringement title “What would the Founders Do?”
It released 31 May 2006.
I suppose there’s nothing your lawyers can do to challenge this typically underhanded neocon trick.
I wonder if Kate O’Byrne had a hand in this, because FDL and other blogs torpedo’d her
worthless piece of @#$%miserable excuse of a book?I hope Jennifer and Glenn take this as another sign that you’re hitting them where it hurts.
rwcole @ 3:53 pm (#172) – For example, among 18-24 year olds in Pew surveys over the past year and a half, fully 51% say they are Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party
Now, if we could just get them to vote …
The NSA illegal wiretapping scandal is by far the most pernicious of the Bush Administrations actions.
Curiously, there have been so many wrong things that the Bush administration has done that they have unfortunately cancelled each other out in public opinion. Probably the corruption of the Abramnoff scandal, a crime, is confllated with the NSA wiretapping, which is a direct assault on the constitution.
Glenn’s book goes a long way towards helping the electorate distinguish this constitutional crisis as from what is illegal, corrupt, what is lying, and what is “merely” slimy.
rwc 172 — THAT is good to know and certainly makes sense. After all, these young’uns are facing a future even more threatened than 1968’s 21-year-olds were looking at. More of them than I’d expected are paying attention, too, thank goodness!
John Casper @ 158:
What a fantastic idea! That’s using your marketing noggin, my boy!
“atta boy” for Mister Casper.
Jen, Oprah just got a note from me about HWAPA. She doesn’t usually get into politics, but as I tried to explain to them, it’s not politics it’s democracy.
John Casper–I wonder how long that book has been in the works. I’ll look into it.
Oh, best of luck w/ the Colbert people! What a great venue for Glenn!
I will try to contact them and encourage them to have Glenn on. Maybe some others here will as well! :)
Thanks again for the fantastic book salon. It’s very motivating!
JGabriel I like where your head is at.
John Casper @ 3:57 pm (#175) – Maybe it’s time to launch another torpedo …
Jen 167,
I do know someone that does animation/production work here in Seattle. I’ll talk to him and keep in contact with you. I know he is looking for a project.
Nuf said
Re Cantwell and the book. If you’re seeing her or her staff, you could just bring along a copy when you visit. We’re making that a standard practice at elected official visits in the NY roots project.
Thanks to all. You are an inspiration! J
rwcole @ 3:53 –
Much of the generational divides can be traced to when the various age cohorts came of age.
We older boomers came of age in the JFK, LBJ, and RMN eras. For the younger boomers, it was Nixon, Carter, and Reagan.
For Gen X, it was Carter and Reagan — especially Reagan. For Gen Y, it was Bush and Clinton — guess which one had the most positive impression?
Shortly after the 1988 election, Andrew Kohut released a report, that broke the electorate up into the seminal issues that formed the various cohorts. As an older boomer, my cohort was Civil Rights and Anti-War; my parents were Great Depression WW2.
With Gen Y coming of age in the Clinton-Bush era, what will be the lasting impact of Junior’s desecrations — and is there any wonder why the GOP is running scared?
John Casper: You can’t copyright a title.
Glenn Greenwald: “The Conyers impeachment resolution isn’t going anywhere until more Americans recognize the real crisis we have in our country.”
From a political and pragmatic perspective, wouldn’t it be smarter to impeach Cheney first, if possible? Perhaps something will come out of Fitzgerald’s Wilson investigation to indict Cheney.
In either event, replacing Cheney with someone more acceptable to Congress and trusted by the American people seems a necessary precursor to impeaching Bush. Otherwise, we end up with someone at least as bad as, and likely even worse than, Bush.
Looking at the book description on Amazon, it doesn’t seems unlikely it is a jab at Glenn’s book.
I mean:
It seems unlikely its a jab at Glenn’s
I like the idea that seems to be picking up steam here — people sending emails to their local papers/favorite media figures/reviewers/etc. that they should either interview Glenn or cover the book. I think it’s an excellent suggestion.
Jen—Can you talk about how we can support your marketing efforts in ways that are more than just preaching to the progressive choir?
After all, if there is any bulk purchasing of this book, it should be coming from the Cato Institute.
John Casper 175 and others — you mean it’s not a secret how much I resent the right-wing book scam?
Ouish 154 — I have no doubt that wingnut books sell, but they do largely because they game things like the NYT best seller list and make people think that they’re popular when they’re not — which gives them publicity which does in fact lead to book sales. But it’s an unfair advantage, and the question is, if two books — Ole 60 Grit’s and Glenn’s — were put out there on an equal footing, which one would generate more sales and have more influence? I think from what happened that’s obvious, but still non-wingnut authors have to withstand unfair competition for those highly coveted slots from which much publicity stems. It will be much easier now to get Glenn’s book reviewed, for instance, for having hit the bestseller list.
ck (190) — my stepson is now in his mid-twenties. In his late teens he leaned right; as recently as his departure from the service, he was still leaning a bit right. I think now that he has had some time under his belt to recover a bit from Iraq-acquired PTSD, he now sees more clearly and is ready to be independent if not left-leaning.
His biggest question recently has been formulated because of the lack of healthcare, and a new relationship with a young woman from a Nordic country. He asks, Why the hell don’t we have healthcare like the rest of the world? Why is it so damned hard? Why isn’t it a priority?
I try not to push much at this point, other than ask more questions: Do you think the people running the country now are the ones to fix the problem? Why not? Who will? What will it take? Generally, I get some raw, frank answers that lean far left. I think most Gen Y will see through this “fog of war”, but they do need to hear more questions to reach clarity.
And that’s where Glenn comes in — he is asking a lot of questions that need urgent answers.
The news is not all bad, however. The trend in falling voter turnout among young people was reversed in 2004. Among the voting age members of the DotNet cohort (ages 18-29), 49% voted, an increase of 9 percentage points from 2000. While young people still lag behind older adults, the rise in voter turnout among those ages 30 and older was a much more modest 3 percentage points – from 65% to 68%.
Pew
Glenn 66: I think the American public is ready for impeachment. Democratic representatives need to realize that they can lead public opinion. Also, I don’t see any way around this logical progression:
The President, like any American, must follow the law in order that we all live in a free society.
The President broke the law, and when caught, the President proudly vowed to continue breaking the law.
- Therefore -
The House should impeach the President, and the Senate should convict the President.
When Democratic politicians shy away from impeachment, I think what the public senses is that they’re not really committed to any principle. They should openly state their principles (rule of law), take them to their logical conclusion (Bush broke the law), and act on it (impeachment). Beyond that, by not advancing impeachment, Representatives of any party are violating their oaths of office to uphold the Constitution.
I think your book is perfect (concise, self-consistent, and principled!) except that it does not explicitly endorse impeachment. In fact, the only significant mention of impeachment is in a quote from a Republican.
Kagro X over at Daily Kos makes the most compelling case for impeachment I’ve seen. From your commentary, it seems that you support it, but to me, “holding Bush accountable” isn’t specific enough. Of course we should also push for full Congressional investigations, but absent that your book already proves the case. Why not the “I” word?
Since the Internet has become so important wrt elections, it is very hard for politicians to appear on television with fists full of lies. Immediately, within minutes, bloggers around the globe start fact-checking. Not like the old days. No need for fancy lobbyists and billboards when you can get to the people who care about the country. It seems to me that those in power have decided have chosen to be part of the dictatorship so as not to worry about future elections and the promise of their dirty laundry kept in the laundry bag and enough pretzels once the take over is complete. The problem for the Republicans is that the GOP are not able to expand on the internet because posters appear to correct whatever lies they are selling, thus they have to shut down the comments.
Do you think that special interest groups are now redirecting their money to the keepers of the ballot boxes rather than directly to lobbyists, thus cutting out the middle man, because it has been so successful for them in the last 2 elections?
Thanks to Glenn and Jane for the great intro and all in the discussion.
I really grab Glenn’s response @13:
“if Americans begin to realize how extremist and radical this administration has become and how threatening to our basic system of government it is – the checks will arise naturally. To me, far more important at the moment than figuring out specific organizational ideas is to get Americans to appreciate what is really going on with this government. Once that happens, I believe the change will flow naturally.”
It’s a lot easier to feel positive when good things result naturally through promoting awareness and reflecting the truth.
But I can’t help continuing to feel ill at ease from this bit in the intro:
“Yet this pimping of fear is, as Glenn argues, a pillar of the Bush power-grab. In a concurring opinion written in the Youngstown Co. vs. Sawyer case, Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson said of the nation’s founders: We may also suspect that they suspected that emergency powers would tend to kindle emergencies.“
Plain as pain.
For example, among 18-24 year olds in Pew surveys over the past year and a half, fully 51% say they are Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party
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Now, if we could just get them to vote –
Voter turnout has ALWAYS been lowest among the young, and highest among the old. I voted for the first time for McGovern in 1972 (votes were thrown out — bad ballots in Tucson) but probably didn’t vote again until 1976 or 1980.
We need to develop guerrilla netroots marketing campaigns, to persuade the young folks to vote Democratic. The biggest challenge for Madison Avenue is creating brand loyalty early in life — once you have them, you have them forever.
MySpace.com is the biggest social phenomena going for the young — can Matt O and other young FDLers develop a viral marketing campaign, to reach the non-voting youth who share our values?
There is an interesting scatter graph in the Pew Report that I can’t recreate here- but dems have a registration advantage for the population as a whole. Goopers have an advantage ONLY for the age group currently in their FORTIES. The dem advantage also slips noticeably for those over 65. Other than those two groups- this is a VERY dem country.
The twenty somethings are an interesting group. They don’t buy the gooper bullshit about gay marriage at all- but they ARE more opposed to abortion than other groups. They are VERY pro business- but also PRO govt. regulation. They missed the govt. bashing of the Reagan years apparently. They are ALSO very pro private investment accounts for social security- presumably because they have bought the idea that there won’t be any money left for them.
Still- on the whole- they are solidly dem.
rwcole: “…among 18-24 year olds in Pew surveys over the past year and a half, fully 51% say they are Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party.”
Cujo: “Now if we could just get them to vote…”
Not sure that would make much of a difference. I suspect a greater percentage of them than in my Gen X’er generation actually does vote. What we really need is for them to be *counting* the votes.
Interesting that rabid gooperism is highest among the 40 to 50 age group.
Some of it could be coming of age during Reagan. Some of it could be backlash against baby boomers. Some of it could be life position–kids in college- saving for retirement- hitting the peak earning years and worried about taxes- etc.
Would be interesting to learn a bit more about this group and if there are ways of getting their attention.
ck: “I voted for the first time for McGovern in 1972.”
Me too.
I have not yet read it, but I ordered 3 copies of Glenn’s book. I will give one to each of my sons, one of whom is a Republican. (Where have I failed??!??!) I assume that the book is like Glenn’s postings, logical and on point with documented facts. With it, I think we stand a chance of converting any open minded person who yet disagrees with us. (And I think that some Repubs [not in Congress however] are open-minded.)
Just wanted to be the 200th person to congratulate Glenn on making the NYT bestseller list. It’s a well-deserved honor.
Just want to weigh in and say that Glenn, Jen, Jane, Christy & and all of these thoughtful and patriotic commenters are warming my heart this Sunday afternoon.
Thanks to all for good buzz.
rwcole –
The “Peace, Love, and Folk Music” ethos of the older boomers turned into “Sex, Drugs, and Rock n’ Roll” after 1968.
great book Glenn, thanks. I’ll be sure to pass it on.
ck- Well I suppose sex, drugs, and rock and roll were always a part of the scene- but it’s possible that today’s forty somethings got pretty deeply into that stuff and scared the hell out of themselves- and are now dedicated to keeping their kids safe from the stuff they did themselves. That’s at least a possible explanation.
Jane—seems like it might be worth inviting Jen back sometime to talk about how we can help support HWAPA.
rwcole (4:26):
I read somewhere (check it with Pew if you can) that one of the biggest demographic segments for Shrub is the group that makes $40K – $60K per year (slightly higher than the median income). That probably maps nicely into your 40-50 age group. Since this group has felt none of the “trickle-down” benefits of Republican economic policies, you’re probably right in that they are hostile toward taxes.
Side issue. The Dems could have co-opted this group by turning Shrubs first tax cuts (99% to the rich) into middle-class tax cuts, instead of whining about the deficit. The Dems must take lessons to act so freaking dumb!
A follow-up to my comment a 4:17 –
We need a MySpace viral marketing campaign, that rewards youngsters for registering to vote, and more importantly — persuading their friends to register and vote.
May Howie Klein can help out with this — offering an i-tunes download credit for registering yourself and two friends to vote, and a CD of your choice for registering 20 friends — with a CD rarity for those who register the most.
Ideally, making voter registration the hip cool thing to do is the ultimate goal — using all of the issues everyone cares about as hook could be the basis of a long term campaign.
But to kick it off, give away music between now and October.
After all — who wants a stupid MyGOP GOoPer Cooler?
At any rate- as we continue to discuss marketing- promotion- and changing the direction of the country- it may be important to realize that those born forty to fifty years ago- those who graduated from high school in the eighties- are the toughest nuts to crack- but the most potentially fruitfull if someone can figure out how to pick the lock.
Re: involving younger people:
I still think to really capitalize on the political mood of the country, the Dems should quit playing it safe and roll out some really DRAMATIC politcy proposals. Again, it doesn’t matter if they ever get passed. The idea is (1) to stop letting the repukes dictate the national debate, and (2) to increase voter interest in the election, and in voting FOR the Dems instead of just against the crooks.
Something interesting to young people? Maybe a lottery to win free college education for lower-income folks? Maybe something like Roosevelt-era public works projects, perhaps linked to building a new oil-free infrastructure?
And yes, pay for these things by revoking the d*mn tax cuts for the rich! Few young people are THAT rich! :)
sonate- there are no income demographic data in the study- only age- but what you say seems likely.
rwcole–what does your Pew report say about the issue preferences of this 40-50 group?
rwcole –
Those constructs are only metaphors — but the reality is that the Idealistic 1960’s were replaced by the Cynical 1970’s.
We went from Civil Rights and the Great Society to Assassinations, Viet Nam, and Watergate — from a we-are-all-in-this-together to a get-yours-while-the-getting-is-good ethos.
Oscarsmom- I repeated some of the key issue findings in a post above- in general- the twenty somethings are very tolerant of race and sexual orientation issues- but strangely anti-abortion. They are wildly supportive of business but also very supportive of govt regulation. They are also very interested in private accounts for social security. Details at Pew.
RBG 210–Jane’s asked me to guest post again this week, and I’ll plan to address some collaborative marketing ideas, and we can continue this discussion then.
RGB 210 — That’s a great idea. Jen you want to maybe do a post about that this week?
Glenn – In the happy event you’ll be doing a west coast tour the Friends of the Stowitts Museum & Library in Pacific Grove would welcome you with open arms for an appearance and book signing. Markos and Jermone were with us recently on their recent California CTG tour. The Friends literary salons are traditionally scheduled on Sat. or Sun. but we’d be flexible around your schedule.
Sigh, my copy won’t be here until mid-week but know it is more than worth the wait. You can reach me via email: info at stowitts dot org.
Jane & Redd: forgive me being OT – my fellow local FDL friends made me do it! ;>)
Hmmm. The 40-somethings, Reaganism, and drugs. Another explanation for how they fit together is that the war on drugs has always been a convincing illustration of Reagan’s criticism of government. It’s the exception where Reagan’s critique is true. The government has too much power over your life. The government creates the problem it pretends to be solving. The government constantly lies and can never be trusted. Government departments and programs have a life of their own and constantly vie for more power and cash. The government wastes money. The government is corrupt, bought and sold by the people it’s supposed to be policing. The government is the problem, not the solution. “Hi, I’m a narc who’s going to steal everything you own and throw you in prison for the rest of your life, and I’m here to help you!”
Anyone who grew up in the drug culture of the 60s or 70s is going to be very paranoid about the government. From the beginning, the whole drug prohibition has been one giant re-education machine for turning millions of people into anti-government Reagan conservatives.
It amazes me that liberals don’t realize this, but they don’t. It’s probably the number one reason why liberalism, which depends on the belief that it’s at least possible for government to be a force for good, has fallen into such disrepute.
Jane–Yes, very happy to post more about marketing ideas for Glenn’s and other important progressive books out there right nowm, like LapDogs and Hostile Takeover…and one I just learned about this week, called Saving General Washington. Onward!
Ouish @ 5:02 –
Some years ago (2001?), there was a long report (TNR online?) on the difference between Eastern Liberalism and Western Liberalism, with the Mississippi as the dividing line.
Short version — in the West, Liberalism is more libertarian; in the East, it’s more about Government Regulation.
I rushed and rushed, but I missed it, o well, I will try to give Glenn a wave in Vegas. Jennifer, a great job with the book, you deserve all the praise you will undoubtedly receive for this and many others to come.
Hard, hard weekend for us, please, prayers for Richard and Frank and their families. I have to sleep immediately, but wanted to chime in and send love.
Thank you for being here.
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Elizabeth Doughty: “The NSA illegal wiretapping scandal is by far the most pernicious of the Bush Administrations actions.”
Honestly? As bad as the NSA domestic warrantless wiretapping is, I really have to go with bombing and killing of innocent civilians, and torture, as both being more pernicious, or at least equally so.
Suspect I”m about to be eup’d – but anyway – reading these posts has given me some hope. Loved the story about the young folks at the bookstore noticing the book, and the info about their registration leaning Democratic.
To return to comments on the book (which life/work chores keep preventing me from finishing, darn it) – I keep having moments while reading on the lines of “Yes! I thought that at the time this news came out!” But, as others have said, the importance of Glenn’s book is the putting it all together and in context. And then the next thing is to get it widely read and discussed. All the comments and ideas here give me hope that that will happen. Not mention (g) that newly famous NYT bestseller listing. And I suspect that dagger will be gone soon. It better be!
Quissh and others -
40 somethings & Reagan -
let’s not forget the rampant materialism of that era – acquisitiveness vaunted to a point of religion – all came crashing down in October 87 and those who were young adults went the way of ‘cooping’, but it’s easy to imagine the effect it had on those growing up as kids and teens in that era – Geesh !
rwcole (213) — think about the group in terms of where they are again. I’m smack in the middle of that age group, 40-50, married to a 50 y.o., too.
We have the youngest kids in our age group; most folks our age have 20-somethings and teenagers.
Most of us were never eligible for the draft. Most of us weren’t really politically aware during the watershed of Watergate. Most of us reached our teen years post-Roe v. Wade (my kid brother was born the year Roe v. Wade was decided, and he’s in his mid-30’s).
We are decidely selfish as a lot, because we’ve never known for want of anything — at least those folks in the white suburban wasteland of America. Many of us can just barely remember a time before MTV and color television.
We have never been called to do anything, really; there’s the occasional sad story that asks for a bit of money, but nothing has every challenged us to a higher calling. Some of us are misguided into thinking that our anti-abortion efforts will save lives and will fill that void in our dharma.
And now we see our kids without a calling, see them tempted to go to war to fight for something, anything, and we really want to support them but can’t quite get the gist of it all because we simpley don’t get it. It’s about somebody else and not about us.
Ick. Painful to do that kind of Vulcan mindmeld with the goopers my age that I know.
I started reading the book at the airport terminal coming out here to Las Vegas. During breaks, several people asked me what I was reading, as they were apparently intrigued byt the cover and title. I gave them a very brief synopsis and included the ridiculously low price it was selling at.
I ran into no Bush supporters and probably sold several books as I listened to them launch into diatribes against Bush. I responded that they should really buy the book. This occured in Will Rogers World Airport in Oklahoma City.
Jane & Jen—I’m looking forward to continuing the conversation.
It is an awfully good cover & title. Intriguing to people on all sides of the political spectrum, a nice choice.
The awful truth on Joe LIEberman.
George W. Bush’s favorite Democrat gets the flaying he deserves from Paul Bass at the Hartford Courant.
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..693.column
-GSD
Sorry for the OT.
Go Glenn.
-GSD
JGabriel @ 226
Your point about the Iraq war and its torture and slaughter of civilians being by far the worst of Bush’s crimes is well taken. Death is worse.
As Glenn wrote, the core values and many splendid qualities of our nation are threatened internally and I was responding to that threat.
Take care.
Oilfield guy -
Ohmigod! Having spent a few years in western Okla. – and quite a bit of time at OKC airport – this story gives me yet more hope.
Coming from east of the Mississippi, I found many of my most liberal friends in Okla. did not fit the “mold” of liberal as I knew it. Much like someone’s comment above, there would be libertarian exceptions to their liberalism. For example, a man I dated for some time, very liberal, ostracized in the 70’s for his long hair and anti-war views (yup, baby boomers, both of us), just HATED unions. Never quite figured out why. He’s a lawyer, son of farmers, represented an Indian tribe and supported most other liberal causes. But unions? anathema.
If Glenn’s book can trigger such responses from Okla. former Bush supporters, there truly is hope that the national mood is changing.
Bush is rightly labeled a radical, who has taken advantage of extremist legal theories (Yoo). The press is no longer independent, either because of intimidation or (I believe) their own self interest (think passing of power to the owners). Congress led by the republicans refuses oversight.
Where can all this lead? One might say that bush ruins all he touches, but the bsuhies do some things right (think of being able to do anything necessary to get elected). Now add the extremists who make up the base, especially the theocratic nutjobs. None of these groups will well tolerate losing the advantages bush has accumulated, and having little chance of regaining their position.
Now consider the continuum of possible outcomes to bush’s accumulation of power, which range from meekly accepting Democratic investigations and challenges, to taking total power in the name of security, which seems more and more to be in the realm of the possible. A well planned coup seems to be within their abilites to plan and execute.
Perhaps someone could disect this range of possible outcomes and identify strategies to overcome each of them. Nobody could have predicted the mess we are in now which indicates to me that we should recognise that anything is possible.
Rayne thanks for the post. You hit on some pretty interesting themes. Politics is a marketing exercise- and all politicians have a good idea before every race who they are going after and how they are going to get em. You can see Karl Rove’s marketing mind at work in every movement of this administration- going after the younger voters with the private accounts bullshit- only to be nailed to a cross by the older voters- going after the hispanic vote with the Clusterfuck immigration proposal- only to be swamped by the congressional goopers need for the TODAY white suburbanite vote. It’s all about picking targets and sometimes it works better than others. It’s a matter of keeping what you’ve got and adding a few more sheep to the fold. Fascinating.
Bush’s Friend Says Gay Marriage Ban Is “Purely Political. I Don’t Think He Gives A S–t About It”…
(headline at Huffington)
I presume that this is absolutely true. Bush probably thinks this is stupid bullshit- but gravely addresses the issue to keep the zealots voting. The way the game is played.
EPU territory-
I wish I had made it. I do disagree a little with Glenn on Yoo. If you look at his earlier writings (Clinton years) they drone on about the abuses of Executive power by Clinton. So he is not a classic authoritarian or uniformly pro-Executive Power. He was a partisan.
Also, he isn’t really the architect IMO. I think he was scrivener for Addington, not a lawyer doing an independent research job for OLC to make the best determination. In the New Yorker article, the brief exhchange with Mora was telling. That’s JMO, but I’m sticking to it. I am also very much in favor of diversity in opinions and teaching, but the shoddiness of the Bybee memo, the failure to include on point case law and make any effort to deal with or distinguish it, and the fact that having him teach Con Law is like asking David Dukes to teach polisci, all in all makes me form an opinion of the actual academics, as opposed to touch all political bases, decisions at Boalt.
rwcole (238) — Note your Rovian examples; he’s hitting all around that core group, and it’s that core group that could sway if they were to hear the call of their dharma. He’s made the mistake of thinking he’s got a lock on them, but he only has them by default.
You know, the person who may be making that first call from the wilderness is Al Gore; he’s going to reach them from a familiar place, the theater. This group found some of their biggest insights in the theater, not on the television (albeit Star Wars…).
After his barn-burning speech this past January, I have to wonder whether Gore could do it again this falll; he knew his material, nailed it, had it completely down because he lived and breathed it (re-watch his speech at Constitution Hall and tell me I’m wrong). I wonder if he could do a side-by-side with Glenn, re-deliver his speech while Glenn makes the case for the lead-up to Gore’s call for action. If his “Inconvenient Truth” makes it big, perhaps this could be an entre’…but could Gore and Glenn pull it off fast enough to avoid the electioneering issue?
And one more EPU while I’m at it.
rwcole – that is a very interesting study, particularly in light of the tripe from the “Progressive” whatevers group, the one that has the book out now where chapters were donated by lo the many Dems, including Bayh, on how to spread democracy by invasion and occupation, but just do it better than GWB did.
They had a gen y-er talking about how Gen-ys were so much more conservative than all we old fogies thought. That to win the youth, Dems would have to get behind military action and do a better job at blurring separation of church and state.
Mary- I too found much that was surprising in the Pew study. I’m still scratching my head about the abortion issue- can’t make sense out of it yet- maybe it will come to me. There ARE some conservative tendancies in the group- but they’re dems when all is said and done.
What Pew DIDN’T explore is the NEXT group of voters to come of age. Probably tough to examine as they don’t know who they are yet.
I saw some stuff on religious demographics lately and was busy thinking about something else- so I didn’t dig deeply into it- but as I recall- the evangelical movement has hit a flat spot. They are no longer growing. That may mean that the younger voters will become increasingly less enthralled with gooper social issues. It’s worth looking at- and I will do so when I get around to it.
The tough on national defense stuff is kind of a free bee- like motherhood. You’ve gotta be in favor of it. Dems need to find a better way of getting credit on the issue than supporting the god forsaken war in Iraq.
Jimbo at 5:36:
I wouldn’t say an outright coup is impossible, but I note that Bush and his ideological cohort have been very careful to maintain the illusion of normalcy even during their most outrageous actions, beginning with the 2000 elections. I don’t think that pattern will change. It’s basic to their “we define reality” game.
Mary,
You describe what I had suspected of Yoo – an opportunistic scrivener – Addington is the evil legal genius?
Should the legal community discredit Yoo?
Or would this be construed as an attack on academic freedom?
Ouish,
The bushies seem willing to do anything to achieve their goals; therefore, those who are concerned should at least define possible outcomes, explore how they might be attained, and prepare for them.
Wasn’t Yoo the UCLA professor who went to Florida to convince the state legislature that they were well within their rights to ignore the election results and determine the electors themselves? Or was that another fascist gooper constitutional law scholar?
would this be construed as an attack on academic freedom
Yes – even by me.
OTOH, I can allow for academic freedom and have contempt at the same time. Someone is absolutely free to let the Blind Sheik give an internet course on tolerance from his cell if the facilities and sentencing allow for it, but being able to do it doesn’t make it less contemptible.
Could be, but I don’t think it was or if it was, that he was the titular head of that effort. I know we are supposed to be grateful that the S. Ct. ruled the way it did in 2000 bc it prevented such a “horrific” show down, but that was tripe too IMO.
All they needed to do was let the State Court sort it out if it came to that. A state legislature COULD pick as they want – - if they lay out those ground rules ahead of time. Show me any State S. Ct. that is going to let them do that “after the fact” of the election. Yeah, right.
As someone who is a very good standardized test tester, I still have to agree with the song, the things that pass for knowledge I can’t understand
A sign that important legal minds are trying to wrap their thoughts around the President’s extremism is the upcoming investigation by the American Bar Association concerning the 750 signing statements. See the article in todays’ Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..hallenges/
I think Glenn’s book is the tip of an iceberg and that people are ready for his message and for redirecting the course of this country.
Maybe the ABA will use the signing statement issue to expose and discredit Yoo’s theories to the general public.
You’re right, it’s up to Boalt to decide whether it’s good for their reputation to have Yoo handing his Constitutional theories off to their graduates.
Or maybe Boalt keeps Yoo around just to illustrate what an abomination these theories really are.
justintime 246
Whichever is the evil mastermind–Yoo or Addington–Addington has at least managed to keep the lower profile. Google and you get 110,000 hits. Google and you get 260,000 hits. Of course, this doesn’t prove anything, just interesting to know.
WordPress didn’t like my use of arrow brackets. It should have read, “Google addington torture and you get 110,000 hits. Google yoo torture and you get 260,000 hits. Sorry for the incoherence.
I’d like to watch Yoo and Addington defend their bogus theories in a debate.
See some academic freedom in action.
Shine some daylight on their flawed logic.
Yoo v Greenwald on the Constitution
I have not read the book, but I will. I do read “Unclaimed Territory” and, speaking as a lawyer, the posts read like really good legal writing: concise, clear, and supported by a broad understanding of the relevant law.
I like the way the book seems to be in a pamphlet format. We’re definitely in our winter of discontent at this point…
What Pat Roberts said recently struck me as essentially Marxist. They also believe that material wants must be satisfied first and freedom may be postponed pending the ‘ withering away of the state.’
This foreign radicaly authoritarian creed is almost the direct opposite of true patriots like Ben Franklin…’ those who would trade…’
And finally Patrick Henry reminds us that however frightening and fearful war is that there are worse things than war…slavery for example. We are crumbling away conservative, libertarian and minarchist right-wingers from the fascist Bush juggernaut. We are also moving to impeach through the states. Now, with the help of Glen and Jane and each other we can also begin planning on RICOing the bastards. Despite minor setbacks we are winning and we will win this thing. The fate of America as a free republic and not an evil empire depends on free patriots such as us. Long live lady Liberty!
What I think is so great about Glenn’s blog (haven’t gotten the book yet) is that his arguments are grounded in deep understanding of American history and law yet thoroughly accessible, well-written, and persuasive even to those not disposed to agree with him. If a new edition of the book had a “for further reading” section (perhaps this one already does), I wuld definitely suggest Eric Foner’s The Story of American Freedom (Norton, 1998), David Cole’s Enemy Aliens: Double Standards and Constitutional Freedoms in the War on Terrorism (New Press, 2005), and Tram Nguyen’s We Are All Suspects Now: Untold Stories from Immigrant Communities after 9/11 (Beacon, 2005) for historical backgrtund and contemporary context. I would also add a “what you can do” appendix (if one doesn’t already exist).
First, thanks to Jane for hosting.
Second, I’m only in the first chapter, but am already feeling that this book is helping me form a more coherent understanding of key legal issues.
Third, the writing is really tight and well-focused. This is going to make it MUCH easier for me to recommend. Kudos.
Fourth, I marvel at J. Nix. What a remarkable achievement you’re pulling off — it’s really impressive to get see a book come out in such a timely fashion.
Fifth, when I picked up my copy at a local (large, independent) bookseller last week, I talked about the book with a couple store employees. (I’m a frequent customer, but I never stop to talk about books with them.) Before I left the store, they were scouting out where to place additional copies for greater visibility. Without this conversation, I think copies arriving next week would have been placed back on the ‘politics’ shelves. Now, it looks as if they’ll place it up front on a table next to Kevin Phillips’ book. Every little bit helps ;-)
Sixth, I think it may take months for Glenn’s info to percolate out into the larger public, but I hope that this book will sell like crazy in July, August, Sept… Judging from the first chapter, I’ll be able to pass a copy of HWAPA along to my right-wing, evangelical relatives who are appalled at the state of this nation, and are thinking a little more carefully about government than they have in any of the preceding 25 years. The NSA issue has really hit their hot buttons.
Best of luck to you, and thanks so much for a remarkable effort to date. Very heartening to see this occur.
I wasn’t able to make the discussion, but the NYT writes about it monday
Digital Publishing Is Scrambling the Industry’s Rules
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..5digi.html
Digital Publishing Is Scrambling the Industry’s Rules
Sorry here is the graph (I’ve broken into a few to make it easier to read:
For unknown authors struggling to capture the attention of busy readers, however, the Web offers an unprecedented way to catapult out of obscurity. Glenn Greenwald, a lawyer who started a political blog, “Unclaimed Territory,” just eight months ago, was recruited by a foundation financed by Working Assets, a credit card issuer and telecommunications company, to write a book this spring.
Mr. Greenwald promoted the result, called “How Would a Patriot Act? Defending American Values From a President Run Amok,” on his own blog and his publisher e-mailed digital galleys to seven other influential bloggers, who helped to send it to the No. 1 spot on Amazon.com before it was even published. This Sunday it will hit No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction paperback best-seller list.
“I think people who are sort of on the outside of the institutions and new voices entering will be a lot more excited about this technology,” Mr. Greenwald said. “That’s one of the effects that technology always has. It democratizes things and brings in new readers and new authors.”
Interesting a Bush-like Right Wing comes to power in Canada – and suddenly there’s all sorts of “terrorism” hullaballoo fear being spread. How soon before Canada gets sucked into the never-ending war on terror emergency?
Also, a couple of photographs:
A chapter title of Calvin Trillan’s new book
with How would… in the background
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ari/159057517/
and somehow this sticker got here (click
on all sizes and original to read)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ari/159682144/
Sorry I missed the conversation. My copy of HWAPA is being held for me at my local indie bookstore. Soon as I’m well enough to get in to pick it up, I plan to dig in. A coworker already has a copy and has brought it in to the alternative school where we work. Students have been showing quite an interest, I’m hearing them discuss it amongst themselves (16-18 year olds) and have heard several say they intend to read it. Encouraging.