
Put on another pot of coffee. Jamison Foser has a follow-up to last week’s Media Matters piece on media bias (which Pach covered here), and Foser hits this one out of the park.
…And still, too many journalists, pundits, progressive activists and Democratic leaders chalked this up to John Kerry’s failings as a candidate, or his consultants failings. They blamed the victim (again): Kerry talked too much about his military service, they said: he was asking to be smeared by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. He spoke with too many qualifiers (remember: when Dean was blunt, he was derided as angry and crazy). He flip-flopped too much (Bush’s own flips and flops escaped similar scrutiny).
Those who would apologize for the media’s treatment of Clinton, Gore, Dean, and Kerry — or who somehow fail to recognize it even now — chalk it up to Clinton’s supposed slickness, or Gore’s trouble with the truth, or Dean’s craziness, or Kerry’s liberalism, and on and on and on — somehow failing to recognize that they’re excusing flawed media storylines about these candidates by citing those same flawed storylines. Hopefully hoping for the day when a progressive leader would emerge without these weaknesses.
Enter Democratic Rep. Jack Murtha. Murtha is, by general consensus, a conservative Democrat. A U.S. Marine and a highly decorated veteran of the Vietnam War. Ranking member of the Defense Appropriations committee. The kind of politician the media tends to refer to as a "pro-military Democrat" (buying into the ridiculous and offensive right-wing smear that most Democrats are anti-military). A serious, plain-spoken man with an impeccable record of serving his country and a "leading Democratic hawk."
Surely, if Clinton, Gore, Dean, and Kerry faced such abusive media coverage because of there own faults, here was a Democrat who didn’t share those flaws.
Of course, Murtha has been the target of relentless attacks anyway. Bill O’Reilly calls him a coward. (Yes, that Bill O’Reilly.) James Taranto calls him "pro-surrender." The Washington Post dutifully gives prominent coverage to thinly sourced smears of Murtha’s military record (sound familiar?) Chris Matthews lies about Murtha’s proposal to withdraw troops from Iraq as soon as possible. And Fox News gives John O’Neill, who spearheaded the Swifties’ smears of John Kerry, airtime to do the same to Murtha.
Who else? How about Hillary Clinton? Media heavyweights like David Broder and Chris Matthews and Patrick Healy have stopped even pretending that they don’t hold her to a different standard than the one to which they hold Republican candidates….
Oh yeah, liberal media bias…my ass.
Read the whole thing, and tell me you don’t sense a bias in terms of coverage. But it sure as hell isn’t a liberal one. (And someone tell BobbyG to take his blood pressure meds before clicking on the link.) The pieces of this media puzzle fit together in a not-too-attractive pattern. The question is whether we can re-work the pattern into something that is more balanced. And that’s an awfully big question…
For more on the smear tactics of the GOP Wurlitzer, read Jane’s series on how it was done to Jack Murtha — Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV. It’s a real-time look at how the smear was rolled out against Rep. Murtha at the time that he made his first statements regarding his doubts about the President’s Iraq policies — to say it is an eye-opener is an enormous understatement. And the fact that this one smear follows the same pattern that Foser outlines in his article for various Democratic candidates and speakers is…erm…quite illuminating.
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Fitz!
Great Piece- although I think Matthews is actually a Murtha supporter- maybe further to the anti-war side than Murtha. He’s been pretty consistent since the damned thing started. He’s gooper through and through on domestic issues though.
Missed Olberman last night- anything worth repeating on that show?
Yes, I’ve had enough. On top of this, I’ve just finished reading RFK’s piece in Rolling Stone (Was the 2004 Election Stolen?).
Is this the way they want us to feel? Powerless? Broken. No one cares? Has it always been this bad (or worse, and we just didn’t know)?
What should we do now?
You folks just don’t like George W. Bush’s “sunny disposition”.
-Tweety
The tone of the posting sounds surprised as with a revelation. The GOP Propaganda arm has been quite active for well over a decade, has it not? Corporatism includes ownership of the media, and therefore, of the tools of propaganda. Who are we trying to convince that the media is not really “liberal”?
Ooo wee, glad I rechecked the thread before hitting Submit just now, or this woulda been EPU’d there instead of OT here.
You heard Snowball smarting off to Steve Inskeep the other morning, right? That radio came this close to going through my kitchen window … and then … I pictured Scotty somewhere back in Texas, smirking over how much worse Snowball’s in for than he ever was, and … tra-la tra-la la-di-la-di-la, sez I.
Rayne (100 [of last thread]): excellent tutorial — thanks!
I love Teddy Kennedy. His vote against the
Iraqi War was the highlight of his career…
The Repugs called him a pessimist…
I’ve had enough.
Impeach, although my bet is that the judiciary
branch will bring this lying and deceptive Admistration down.
Go Fitzy…
A Bay State Librul
Outstanding.
I bookmarked the link last night but have not yet read it. Absolutely on target, and thanks for reviving that series by Jane: I had forgotten it.
What can we do about this, though? We’ve properly complained for years now. How do we take back the airwaves?
(I did get EPU’d.)
It doesn’t appear that the Moonie Times agrees with the WP fawning assessment that Bush is becoming more open to new ideas.
Bush Circles the Wagons as Approval Ratings Slip
http://washingtontimes.com/nat…..-8608r.htm
“With just five months to go before the midterm elections, President Bush, whose once-faithful base has abandoned him in droves, is turning to the same conservative hot-button issues that won him re-election in 2004 – homosexual “marriage” and judicial nominees. “
Gee, he sounds really open to dissent and new ideas, doesn’t he? Watching the desperate flopping and searching for a new campaign strategy would be entertaining, if it wasn’t also so sad. Guess it never occurred to Rove and Co that at some point you actually have to govern. Ya know – show some competence, craft good public policy, hire people that have a depth and understanding of the issues. Nah, let’s trot out the kool-aid drinkers at the WP and ramp up the gay-haters. Plus we can always talk about the Clinton marriage. Sigh. I’m really beginning to fear what this country is going to look like by the time these guys are finished. How long can you run up the debt and completely gloss over the work of goverment, before the whole thing crashes.
I’m buying gold, man.
May #’s: FNC Has Lowest Demo Viewership In “Sales Prime” Since August 2001
Fox News is continuing to lose viewers in the valuable 25-54 demographic. In May 2006, the network delivered its lowest-rated month in “sales prime” since August 2001. “Sales prime” is measured from 7pm to 2am.
“These 7 hours are all sold at prime rates,” an insider says. “This is what the business is based on. Their numbers are tracking with Bush’s poll numbers… it should be an interesting trend to watch.”
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
Rayne -
“Did goopers defend My Lai ?”
disgustingly so – except this time the M$M is holding the f*ing cue cards !
watched John Roberts ‘coach the witness’ just yesterday – (paraphrasing) ’so, in a war with no identifiable enemy, no uniforms . . .’
Proofreading note; It’s “Foser”, not “Foster”.
Very good. It’s about time that liberal or progressive or whatever similar sobriquet you want to call reality based commenters, began to point out the way the so called liberal or centrist pundits are way skewed to the rightwing views. Bob Somerby has been “howling” about this for a long time.
One little quibble. I believe that his name is Foser, not Foster.
Call ‘em what they are — the Lying Right Wing Media — or the LRWM for short. For those with tender sensibilities or cocktail weenie addictions, the RWM is far more honest than SCLM.
too many journalists, pundits, progressive activists and Democratic leaders chalked this up to John Kerry’s failings as a candidate, or his consultants failings. They blamed the victim (again): Kerry talked too much about his military service, they said: he was asking to be smeared by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. He spoke with too many qualifiers (remember: when Dean was blunt, he was derided as angry and crazy). He flip-flopped too much (Bush’s own flips and flops escaped similar scrutiny).
Yes, of course, John Kerry was the victim of a media smear. But guess what, folks? THAT’S THE WAY IT IS. The Clinton War Room was famous for shooting down smears and attacks before they got off the ground — Team Kerry (thank you, Bob Schrum) waited to respond to the Swift Boating until it showed up in the polls. Showed up in the Polls!!! Jebus H Christ, waiting to respond until polling data picks it up is like trying to finish concrete after it has hardened.
Team Kerry blew it in so many ways, it makes me sick. The only thing that pisses me off more is that the so called watchdogs of democracy act as Ministry of Propaganda guard dogs for BushCo.
For any Democrat to succeed, they need to have a strategy in place that short circuits the Right Wing bias in the LRWM.
Ohhh, ouch. Even Bush’s base isn’t buying his flip-flopping desperate campaign moves. In the LA Times, re: Monday’s ceremony at the WH on banning gay marriage …
“I’m going to go and hear what he says, but we already know it is a ruse,” said Joe Glover, president of the Family Policy Network, which opposes gay marriage. “We’re not buying it. We’re going to go and watch the dog-and-pony show, [but] it’s too little, too late.”
(Ohhhh, BURN. When the people with the WH invite can’t even say something nice – trouble.)
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
Swiftboating is to Bush as Murder was to Stalin.
As Bush/Rove focus new energy on the GWOQ(Global War On Queers), there are new signs that things are heating up all over the world.
*Canada has arrested up to 17 militants in what is seen as a large plot to bomb Canadian targets.
*Russian embassy staff killed and kidnapped in Iraq
*US is said to be arming anti-Islamic warlords in Somalia
*Syria accuses US and Israel in foiled terrorist attack
*Heavy fighting in Afghanistan claims many Taliban
*Palestinians groups face each other off–pitting Hamas against Fatah
Nero Bush fiddles with the Fundamentalists while Babylon burns.
Mission accomplished.
-GSD
Hey, Christy (Redd),
Sorry I’ve been gone from FDL for so long…but I’ve been a bit busy.
The media is the biggest story in this political disaster…it’s the same story of all failed nations. The media becomes the tool of the state and the state collapses. Time and again throughout history.
Same song, different verse.
Looking forward to seeing you in Vegas.
Brian Keeler,
no longer only NYBri
Thanks sbk and BearCountry — it’s fixed. Man, I did that through the entire article. Talk about a brain hiiccup…ooops.
ahh, the crack of the bat, sound of hickory meeting horsehide….
Brian! Great to see your phosphors again. :) Will be good to meet you in person as well — that’s going to be the fun thing at YearlyKos, putting all the faces to the (nick)names.
Yes, I’ve had enough. I boycott all MSM these days as much as possible. I try to stay informed on sites like this, the KOS, & Raw Story. Why give the other guys your money or your time?
And O’Reilly saying Mutha, a decorated war veteran with purple heart “didn’t have the stones” to come on his show………….I’m disappointed Wel Clark didn’t absolutely hammer him upon hearing that outrage.
Jane’s series on ‘This Is How It’s Done’ -
whenever I am confronted w/ a self styled ‘moderate democrat’ using their bullshit, I ALWAYS give them a copy of that series and make them promise to read it before opening their mouths again -
otherwise rational folks have no real idea of how much of this crap they’ve bought in to and accepted as CW %^@#%#@^*$!!!
btw, around the same time, Jane had a series (I & II ?) called ‘On Image’ – excellent companion pieces !
cbl (13) — I knew the goopers defended My Lai at the time, I just can’t remember how since I was 7 or 8 years old at the time. I can only remember my horror at the photos in LIFE magazine, the single event that made me the Dem I am today.
No identifiable enemy, no uniforms.
Same bullsh*t from My Lai; how was that baby in arms of its mother an un-uniformed enemy? how was that toddler or preschooler now lying splay-legged and dead a threat to a uniformed soldier with firearm? How were those elderly unarmed grandparents lying next to children and grandchildren harming a platoon?
Only the location and time has changed. The things that caused Lt. Calley to snap in Vietnam are the same things that caused these troops to snap in Haditha: an unjustified war without adequate leadership.
Getting dizzy here, with so much good stuff to stay with/go back for in this morning’s threads.
Mary, I just caught yours at 147 and, lhp, yours at 151 of Late Nite — boffo, both!
OK, hushin’ and readin’ . . .
OT: wet blanket Farhad Manjoo of Salon.com pooh-poohs the RFK Jr./Rolling Stone piece:
Rayne and others -
my gut tells me the only difference is this time they’re gonna go after ‘Capt. Medina’ as well – except of course, the Capt, Medina’s will be guys who’ve put it to Rumsfield in the recent past -it’s what Hackett is saying about his client; Capt. Kimber, and from all my googling, his claims hold up – here we go, back to the Paths of GLory script
It is way beyond media bias. Inbed media are complicit in the takedown of American democracy. There is a deliberate campaign of misinformation and misdirection, and not just in the White House. A free press and free public education were established by our founding fathers as a bedrock of a working democracy, and both have been deliberately and systematically dismantled. Ben Franklin would hold in utter contempt what passes for news these days.
The media should and will be held accountable, just as bubble boy will. Karma is coming around at them all, and it is going to hurt. Round about the time that chimpy, condy, big time, rovey and the gang are being tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity; let’s have at the heads of all the networks, the anchors who’ve willingly distorted the truth, the publishers and editors at all major newspapers and magazines, all those who have taken part in this massive criminal undertaking to steal the office of presidency, cover it up, and then systematically destroy the Constitution, while raking in obscene profits.
These people are going to pay.
I believed the media was simply biased towards the sensational for a long time. Afterall, the Monica affair was nothing if not sensational. After seeing them pass on scandal after scandal during the Bush admin I have no choice but to re-think my opinions of sensationalistic bias. It’s obvious to anyone who has been watching news for a while that Bush is treated much more kindly than Clinton. I’m still not sure if it was sensationalistic then and changed in response to the “liberal media bias” meme or maybe it changed when mega-corps gobbled up all of the media. Maybe I was totally wrong too. I guess I’ll never know.
punaise,
RFK, Jr. had previously written rather eloquently and persuaively about the M$M’s failures since 2000, I believe it may have even been a 1 pager in PARADE Magazine – so I’m not expecting much of anything but kewl kid dismissiveness from that crowd
Hmmm, perhaps FDLit would be more accurate to rename the category “GOP Ethics” – sort of like George Carlins’ “Military Intelligence”
Clusterfukk says that there will be Democrats with him during his speech on Monday. Is that true? Which ones?
Hey lady! That’s twice in as many days with the “Had enough?”!
You copycat, hehe…..
Christy, our establishment Dems are too clueless or cowed to even recognize the problem, so no wonder they never fight back.
I spoke recently with a Democratic Congressman (poor man was my unlucky seatmate on the Delta shuttle) who refused to buy the premise that the corporate media is biased toward Repubs–lazy, he said, but no, not biased. Of course, this young, supposedly savvy politician, who couldn’t stop reading his Blackberry or talking on his cell before takeoff, had never heard of Media Matters or Crashing the Gates (I told him to “stay tuned” re: the latter).
Well, if that media “laziness” translates to accepting every Repub talking point, sucking up to Repubs for “access,” ridiculing Dems to show they are one of the Kewl Kidz, and bending over backwards to “prove” they are “fair” and not “liberal,” I don’t care what they call it–it still amounts to “bias” toward Repubs and antipathy toward the Dems/liberals.
I guess we need to work on this from lots of angles at the same time, just as FDL is doing with the Roots project, with distributing CTG, with supporting Dems who “get it” over those who don’t, taking on the media hacks one by one, and generally shining a light on the most egregious instances, such as the recent NYT front-pager on the Clinton marriage.
—
Overheard at the White House
Tony New Guy: OK Karl I wrote that “President comes out of the bubble” story just like ya told me- but where the hell are we gonna find someone to RUN IT?
Karl: Peter Baker
Tony New Guy: Who the fuck is Peter Baker?
Karl: See that picture on your desk? The guy makin friends with the sheep is Peter Baker.
Tony New Guy: So I’m supposed to threaten this guy?
Karl: No- just enclose the picture stamped “original on file”. He’ll get the message.
Tony New Guy: Guess it’s going to take me a while to get the hang of this new job. HEY WAIT A MINUTE. Isn’t that the same sheep that was in the picture you used to get me to take this fuckin job?
Karl: You’ve got a sharp eye for sheep Tony New Guy!
Robert Fisk takes on Haditha:
>>>>>>>>>>>
I suspect part of the problem is that we never really cared about Iraqis, which is why we refused to count their dead. Once the Iraqis turned upon the army of occupation with their roadside bombs and suicide cars, they became Arab “gooks,” the evil sub-humans whom the Americans once identified in Vietnam. Get a president to tell us that we are fighting evil and one day we will wake to find that a child has horns, a baby has cloven feet.
Remind yourself these people are Muslims and they can all become little Mohamed Attas. Killing a roomful of civilians is only a step further from all those promiscuous air strikes that we are told kill ‘terrorists” but which all too often turn out to be a wedding party or — as in Afghanistan — a mixture of “terrorists” and children or, as we are soon to hear, no doubt, “terrorist children.”
In a way, we reporters are also to blame. Unable to venture outside Baghdad — or around Baghdad itself — Iraq’s vastness has fallen under a thick, all-consuming shadow. We might occasionally notice sparks in the night — a Haditha or two in the desert — but we remain meekly cataloguing the numbers of “terrorists” supposedly scored in remote corners of Mesopotamia. For fear of the insurgent’s knife, we can no longer investigate. And the Americans like it that way.
more here:
http://www.informationclearing…..e13491.htm
The “Iraqi baby bomber” brigade is coming soon to a newstand near you- a two year old Iraqi pictured wearing a suicide bomb. Karl’s workin on the photoshoppin already.
It is, purely and simply, “profit bias.”
Repubs are good for corporate business, LRWM are wholly owned corporate entities, and reporters have to tow the company line or get canned.
They solve the problem from the get go by weeding out independent thinkers and promoting hair and teeth; empty headed, narcisistic (sp?)soul dead vessels through which to channel their dreams of bottomless profit- war making, drug pushing, prison building, oil stealing, and religion hawking.
They are not going quietly into the good night. They’ll have to be pushed, and hard.
Sunny says,
Or cut off at the knees. Boycott them. Don’t give them your money.
What’dya think Iraqis put in baby buggies? Suicide bombs- that’s what- so who can blame american Marines for protecting Iraqi lives by putting a full clip into every baby buggy they see? US troops are riskin their lives to protect Iraqis from the baby bomber brigade- and all they get is criticism!
For 25 years I’ve been howling about corporate ownership of the media. Absotlutely no good can come of having only a few people control what becomes news.
Bill McKibben told me this in his book Maybe Just One: all studies done on single child vs. multi child families for over 70 years had involved duplicating or discussing the work of ONE SINGLE PERSON, whose biases (childless, angry, german) were never considered. When new research was finally done, it turned all that cw on its head. Turns out there is no discernable difference between singles and the sib-inflicted once they are adults. In fact, single kids may have a slight edge, it’s not clear.
For twenty-five years we’ve been lobsters in the pot, slowly being boiled alive and enjoying the warm bath and we are just waking up to it.
http://thedailyhowler.com/
…is doing a series of wake-up calls on this very thing. “Wake up, they’re about to do it again in ‘08 and we’re taking the bait…AGAIN”. In this age of pack journalism, with the news controlled and the fix in, if the source of all subsequent journalistic blather (due to journalistic SOP or laziness, you pick) is wrong to begin with, we are screwed. We may never hear the truth. And they know it. But who are THEY? That’s what I want to know.
One of the reasons I’m going to YKos is to become a more effective tool in our group effort to expose this kind of dissembling. You probably know, from your own experience, that when you point out to people that well, maybe it didn’t happen quite that way, and start to tell what you know about it, they stop listening almost immediately and dismiss it as spin. (Right. And yours is gospel.)
City Girl 36 on the Delta shuttle: good for you!
I wonder what percentage of Americans are even aware that Laura Bush killed a high school classmate in what sounds like a case of negligent homicide? If she was a democrat the papers would be full of lurid stories about how she murdered her lover for cheating on her.
TeddySanFran at 35 — It’s either “Had enough?” or I let loose with a whole string of sailor language. I thought economy of message was a better choice. *g*
Franco,
I am sure Bush’s Democratic line-up will be Traitor Joe Lieberman, Zig-Zag Zell Miller and Rabid Reverend Fred Phelps.
A nice diverse bunch.
-GSD
Liberty University biology dept. has just released a study sponsored by the National Science Institute that concludes that most Iraqi babies aren’t really babies- and not Iraqis either. Many of the alleged Iraqi babies are actually Al Queda midgets according to a new scientific study of alleged baby flesh collected in Iraq.
Punaise:
“ahh, the crack of the bat, sound of hickory meeting horsehide%u2026.”
Er, would that be elephant hide?
-sofistic
I was EPU’d, but mostly on exasperation. More On topic:
When Bush fires Rumsfeld and replaces him with Murtha you could talk bubbleburst. Till then -not so much.
I’m still shaking my head over Rumsfeld yesterday tearing up over the thought that the US might be excluded from Asian regional talks. Apparently – that’s an “old Asia” attitude. New Asia recognizes that the US is Asian. Except when its European. Or South American. Ubiquitous States of America. One language – all continents.
Despite the (seemingly ironic) title of Shangri-La Forum, it’s been a tough trip for the SoD, with both isolation and mystification on tap. Even with his experiences running what is probably the largest blackbudget in the world, Rumsfeld is mystified by Chinese military spending.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=asia
Rumsfeld and other U.S. officials have repeatedly asked China to provide more disclosure about its military capability.
If only it had a Congress for oversight, then things would be fine, right Mr. Sec? They wouldn’t be able to get by with all that non-disclosure and stuff if they had a Congress. Yep, that’s the ticket.
“China would benefit from demystifying, to some extent, the reasons as to why they are investing,” Rumsfeld said in a speech in Singapore today.
Hmmmm, gosh, why might they be investing in their military? I think you’d have to go to an expert, like say, the head of the military of a major industrialized nation, to get a clue on that one. Especially when all his lobbyist buddies swear to him they don’t speak Mandarin.
Maybe it’s time to consult I Ching? Why would China, with more land mass and more people than the US, invest a fraction of what the US invests on its military? It’s not like they have another major power, like RUssia, on their border, or resource interests in countries like Iran being threatened militarily by the US? Or resource trading partners like Iran and Venezuela that are interested in weapons acquistion. WHY?? Answer me I Ching!
“Money’s a coward,” he added
OK, so maybe I should have consulted Cha Ching instead? While I claim my own fair share of obtusificaion, that one is hard for even me to dribble. Our Rumsfeld – my Tamiflu and protege of Mr. Halliburton and recipient of control of just about the largest budget anyone, anywhere, ever gets – saying money is a coward.
Is he speaking in code to the Plame leak investigators?
Anyway, the article goes on in a reassuring fashion.
The pace and scope of China’s military modernization are among facets of a buildup that “have surprised U.S. analysts,” the U.S. Pentagon said in a May 23 report.
Just knowing that US analysts are “surprised” that China, given world economics and military actions on and around its borders and affecting its natural resource access, is revving up on the military front – that reassures me no end. Show of hands for anyone OTHER THAN those military analsyts who are surprised?
The People’s Liberation Army is in the process of a “long- term transformation” into a modern force capable of fighting “short-duration, high-intensity conflicts against high-tech” enemies, the report said. Wonder why? Wonder who that sounds like? What a mystery indeed. Werever would they get that kind of approach? I wonder who they have been listening to – watching?
China is a “peace-loving nation” that is building up a national defense system purely for defending its security and safeguarding territorial integrity, including achieving the goal of “peaceful reunification” with Taiwan, the [Chinese foreign] ministry said.
Ahhh, so. That’s it. War is peace. Agressive invasion is peaceful reunification.
“It becomes a little convoluted and so I don’t want to make a real clear characterization because it’s a little hazy to me,” Snow said.”
Come sit with me Tony. The ‘haze’ is clearing over here.
Ya can’t make baseballs out of elephant hide. Allows the pitchers to throw too many screwballs.
Hooray, NYBri, er, Brian Keeler!
RWCole,
As Michael Savage, the man who is listened to by Chris Matthews and Bush advisor Dan Bartlett says:
“Kill one hundred Muslims”……they are the enemy.
-GSD
Cozumel (12) — THAT is the most hopeful thing I’ve seen around here in a long time!
My longheld theory: This started with Reagan’s national and Howard Jarvis’s (wasn’t it?) California push to gut public education as much as possible. Their immediate “gain,” the further feathering of already-comfy nests, was tasty enough — but their true, long-range goal was the dumbing-down of the populace to the state it’s now reached: where only the god-awfullest of circumstances can distract very many from the gaudy circus.
Well, here we are in circumstances god-awful beyond anything even Reagan and Jarvis would have dreamed — and, sho’ nuff, the distraction gambit has begun to fail.
Meanwhile . . .
How glad were we this week to behold the National Spelling Bee make primetime teevy and, last night on The News Hour, a parallel story on the national high-school poetry-interp contest?
Goddammit, we ARE gonna take our country back, and these kids are gonna be in on it too. Stupid is losing its kewl. At LAST!
Oops…”One hundred MILLION Muslims”….
-GSD
Great post, Christy. It’s hard to believe that Jane’s Murtha series is less than six months old. That was around the same time we heard the truly “memorable” Dem response to the SOTU. Has Tim Kaine been heard from since?
FWIW, it looks like there’s a lingering Fos“t”er at the end of your opening paragraph.
GSD–How many would that leave. I mean- if yer gonna kill 100 million- wouldn’t ya want to get em all?
I mean- if it’s no sin to kill 100 million- then surely you aren’t going to get sent to prison (or hell) for killing the rest are you? Let’s be practical with our genocide. Ya don’t wanna just WOUND the bear- it’ll just piss him off!
I am pretty sure I would beat Rumsfeld in a game of Stratego. I am pretty sure Corky from “Life Goes On” would beat Rumsfeld in game of Stratego.
-GSD
I believe the three pronged approach to dismantling democracy have been:
1 – dumbing down education
2 – muzzling and buying out media
3 – easy credit
The result is what we see around us, an overfed, entertained, uninformed and stupid citizenry. Piece of cake to manipulate.
Brian, nice website and best of luck to you! I live in CT but occasionally have to drive to Hyde Park, Pleasant Valley and Poughkeepsie for work; that’s right in the middle of your district.
When you get elected, can you do something about all those traffic lights on Route 9?
;)
um, make that “has been” not “have been”. I wasn’t trying to serve as an example of the dumbing down of the electorate, but perhaps that helped make my point.
Um, can I just say that I think we all need to be a little careful when we comment about “killing” and “genocide.” FDL and other sites are, we know, being monitored closely, with the potential for a breakout story about “angry liberal bloggers,” perhaps to coincide with YKos, thus embarassing those party leaders who attend.
So, while I understand and read the snark and sarcasm in this thread, when we discuss Michael Savage et.al., I’d recommend clear delineation of intent. This insulates our blogmistresses from intentional smears based on arguments we on the blog understand, appreciate, and enjoy — but which, out of context, could really hurt our efforts.
Not meaning to single anyone out, I’ve noticed this trend the past coupla days –
In 1983, 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the U.S. Now we have 6! Bought up, consolidated, put out of business – these 6 corporations are owned exclusively by Repugs. What ever happened to the Taft-Hartley laws that protect Americans from mega-corporations and why can’t we go after these media moguls IF we retake the House and Senate in November? They should be the first target. Not Bush, not Cheney. Nothing in this country has had a greater negative effect on the beliefs of its people than these 6 corporations. We have had 23 years of propaganda – had enough?
here ya go rwcole,
It was a slow day
And the sun was beating
On the soldiers by the side of the road
There was a bright light
A shattering of shop windows
The bomb in the baby carriage
Was wired to the radio
Boy In The Bubble
NYBri! or “Soon to be !State Senator!” – bravo on really crashing the gates!
Rayne and all – My Lai was not simply “supported” by goopers – remember that the Dems were intimately involved in Vietnam and it was JFK who ramped up our presence there and LBJ who did not “bring the boys home.” If we want to prevent these horrors, we need to be very clear that colonialism is alive and well on both sides of the aisle – which is why we need to work hard to kick out the neocons of whatever stripe.
There are 1.6 Billion moslems in the world.
Duktig Pojke says:
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:49 am
Boycott? Moi? Oh yes, long ago and far away.
Had enough? Moi? Oh yes, long ago and far away.
Sorry – suffering from grammar OCD -
“because of **their** own faults”
Bush on his gay marriage ban:
“Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society.”
Questions to ask:
Does this describe George H.W. and Barbara Bush’s marriage?
Does this explain how Dubya turned out?
Does this describe his and Laura’s union?
Does this explain how Jenna and not Jenna turned out?
Has anything Dubya has ever done made society more stable?
Half of US marriages end in divorce. Many remarry. Does Bush mean to say that marriage is between one man and one woman . . . at a time?
Should divorced people not be allowed to remarry because they lack commitment?
Many families are single parent. Slackers? You tell me.
I read that about a quarter of long term gay couples have children. Do these selfish people know that they are not promoting the welfare of their children? Should their children be taken away?
Should those past childbearing and child rearing age be banned from marrying?
Should married couples who do not wish to have children be forced to divorce?
Should people of whom we do not approve be banned from marrying or forced to divorce on the grounds that are not adding to the stability of the society?
Just a few questions to ponder.
I just watched a clip from a CNN news broadcast online about the Haditha massacre. The whole tone was our good guys can do no wrong. They showed a clip of an interview with the little girl who’s family were slaughtered all around her when she got up to get ready for school. The CNN commentator in Iraq then said “what’s interesting is that she gives three interviews and the third time she says she was expecting the roadside bomb”. Ah, yes, slander the dead innocents why don’t you. Do they really expect us to believe that an elderly man in a wheelchair, babies and children somehow deserved to be shot execution style. As for expecting a bomb. She is living in a war zone, given the evident anti-Iraqi bias on CNN it’s hard to trust their interpretation/translation of she may have said.
cbl–Oh yeah- GREAT SONG- GREAT ALBUM- and VERY appropriate at this time!
Jane didn’t do herself any favors on the Murtha pieces when she referred a couple times to him turning down bribes on videotape during the ABSCAM scandal. The truth was murkier. My point at the time was that Murtha’s stance was stronger because he’d been very lobbyist-friendly and was actually risking something by speaking out. I asked Jane what she meant, writing that he’d turned down bribes on video, and my comment was deleted (the only time this has happened to me). I’m still curious. I also continue to believe the truth serves us, even when it’s not as clean as we’d like it to be.
Hugh:
Just a tip. . . you may want to bookmark your comment for Late Nite tonight. . . just sayin’.
Mary (49). My God, woman, the mind on you.
How many MENSA memberships do you personally hold? It can’t be just one.
Mary be one smart dudette!
Burn the fuck down this media. I mean it. Torches.
Burn Baby Burn!
lotuslander and rw,
I often pray Mary and I are assigned the same camp
You go, Sharkbabe, that’s what I’m talking about!
Saltinwound at 72 — I’m fairly certain tha Jane answered you at the time as to what she was thinking and, as I recall, you wren’t satisfied with her answer but she did give you one. And then you continued asking the question — repeatedly — which was why eventually the comment was deleted. The facts are a bit murky, Jane cited reporting which was done on the issue, you disagree with the conclusions of that reporting — Jane said she isn’t sure about all the facts on it, but wanted to give as full an account as she could find. I would think that would be the end of the story and that, if you have further information to which you would like to link so that others can read further, you could feel free to do so. But to keep coming here and trying to start a pissing match with Jane about a question she answered to the best she could 6 months ago is just plain cranky — if you have additional information, share it. If not, then why keep bitching about it and about Jane?
Bottom line: put up or let it go.
Christy: Thanks for the links to Foser’s piece as well as Janes “How to smear series”. One common link in all the media’s complicity with the Wurlitzer is the abject absence of proper labelling of sources. They neve identify these shady outfits whether they be Cybercast News, Talon, World net daily etc as partisan sources. The same is true for the so-called experts from think tanks like the Heritage foundation. Yet, every single time Media Matters is cited, it’s “the liberal website Media matters…”
This imbalance will stop only when we have achieved a critical mass of push back against the MSM. The Broder case is a great example. You can tell he is utterly shocked at receiveing pushback on his commentary about the Clinton’s and their press treatment. We are now a valid constituency and we must keep up the pressure. Every single time there is an MSM atrocity we have to go after them. It is an uphill battle but one we must continue to fight. FDL stands at the forefront of this effort. You have made a huge difference already but we have a long way to go.
I most certainly have had enough.
“It’s a Little Hazy to me”?
Nice title for the Dixie Chicks next album?
Teddy, Are you implying that the fact that rightwing radio talkshow host Michael Savage recommends killing 100 million Muslims not be discussed because it could somehow shed a bad light on the liberal bloggers who are pointing out said facts?
-GSD
Michael Savage:
“On his radio show, Savage told listeners that “intelligent people, wealthy people … are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, ‘Oh, there’s a billion of them.’ ” Savage continued: “I said, ‘So, kill 100 million of them, then there’d be 900 million of them.’ I mean … would you rather us die than them?” Savage added: “Would you rather we disappear or we die? Or would you rather they disappear and they die? Because you’re going to have to make that choice sooner rather than later.”
Here’s W’s straddle, in his radio address this morning, that has the xtianists all mad at him; Frist’s gay-bashing amendment doesn’t go FAR ENOUGH in their view:
“The constitutional amendment that the Senate will consider next week would fully protect marriage from being redefined, while leaving state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage.”
Our President also said this morning:
“In our free society, people have the right to choose how they live their lives.”
Certainly, that can’t be a good thing,,,, *g*
Elections are and have been stolen for a long long time and for RFK Jr. to now come to this conclusion is part of the problem. This struggle for the control of the direction of our country has not and is not being played fairly. They cheat, we try to complain and investigate while they laugh at our stupidity. They play by different rules and if anyone thinks that electing another establishment candidate like HRC is going to change things they are mistaken. Bill and Hillary had their chance and they failed to change the order of things. They represent past mistakes and now have so lost their way they think they are still progressives. HRC is the establishment candidate so they can maintain control if she wins or loses. She will lose and all this MSM attention is part of the bait to beat us down again. Don’t take their bait, we have a real chance this time to have an anti-etablishment candidate win because Americans love our children and when we see them dying or losing arms and legs we say “enough.” We need new leaders.
Those that fail to learn from history….
If you haven’t already run across this, it is the site for the Columbia Journalism review, and lists who owns what in the US media. The players are not surprising, but the scope is breathtaking.
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/
-sofistic
Some thought that Jonathon Swift went too far with his proposal to turn Irish Children into a perpetual food supply for Englishmen and women. Still- his proposal lives- while his critic’s complaints have long died.
Be Bold!
Christy, I never saw that answer.
Did the president imply that in our free society people have the right to decide what to do with their private parts?
Marriage is a contract. To prohibit adults in sound mind from binding themselves contractually is- well- A restraint of trade!
GSD 83, no, I’m not implying that.
Did the president take a stand on the south carolina law prohibiting dildos? Is the president pro dildo rights?
Well, yeah rwcole– he keeps them all in his Cabinet.
speaking of media bias, where’s the media now that laura’s gone off the radar screen? — i don’t care if george & condi are getting it on but i want the jesus freaks to know about it — bet you dollars to doughnuts condi’s giving george thrills he’d never had
Teddy,
I am not trying to be a putz here, but your admonition is too cryptic to decipher.
What were you attempting to say then.
-GSD
The US won’t be safe until it is run by Russ Fiengold- and it will NEVER be run by Russ Fiengold- ergo- the US will never be safe.
Angie—Quick- and FUNNY AS HELL! Kudos!
Laura was preaching worldwide HIV testing just yesterday, I believe.
;) rwcole!
Is Laura pro dildo rights?
Did the president take a stand on the south carolina law prohibiting dildos? Is the president pro dildo rights?
Well, he’s definitely pro-codpiece — in fact, you could call him a one man codpiece liberation front!
sure– she married one!
OT uh-oh:
Busby on defense, says she misspoke
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..busby.html
It’s possible to be pro dildo rights (and artificial vagina rights) while remaining stongly anti-vibrator. It’s a matter of using only organic materials.
#Kevin J at #81 is right. I recently wrote to NPR to complain about Don Gonyea, their White House correspondent, leading his story about the new Treasury secretary with classic White House spin……”The economy is growing strong, but voters aren’t giving President Bush the credit.”
Don Gonyea is not a bad reporter. But I remember when he was a better one—-i.e. before he became a White House correspondent. Now, too often I hear him mindlessly repeat White House talking points that are simply not true—and never pointing out their falsity. He just lets the stuff hang.
Anyhow, I wrote to him via the ombudsman and got a reply back. Don said he does in fact challenge the Bushies quite a bit. Well, good. But I’m still glad I wrote.
As the old song goes:
Step by step, the longest march, can be won, can be one.
Many a stone can form an arch, singly none, singly none
And by union what we do can be accomplished still.
Drops of water turn the mill, singly none, singly none.
Each of us, by our e-mails and phone calls, are the drops of water that turn the mill.
Long stenographic NYT article on the Bush flip-flop on Iran:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..r=homepage
Wow – look what song I got when I typed “Boy In The Bubble’ in to Pandora -
The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum
i see a clinic full of cynics
who want to twist the peoples’ wrist
they’re watching every move we make
we’re all included on the list
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
no nuclear the cowboy told us
and who am i to disagree
‘cos when the madman flips the switch
the nuclear will go for me
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
i’ve seen the faces of starvation
but i just can not see the points
‘cos there’s so much food here today
that no one wants to take away
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum -
take away my right to choose
the lunatics have taken over the asylum -
take away my point of view
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum -
take away my dignity, take these things away from me
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
the lunatics have taken over the asylum -
take away my family, take awaythe right to speak
the lunatics have taken over the asylum
take away my point of view, take away my right to choose
Why campaign on policy (or a track record of policy failures) when genitalia are so much more fun to think about. Gay marriage is this cycle’s blow job.
The party that fucked up the economy and the middle east is going to save marriage as we know it.
The fates have a nasty sense of humor. When they gifted Karl Rove with his genius, they limited it to destruction. He can’t create.
To me, the most important comment was way up there at 10, rob zuber: what do we do?
We can sit around till the cows come home and bitch and moan about the Gerths and Solomons…but what to do?
1. A blog attack? Well….those are well and good, but I sometimes wonder at just how effective they are…mixed results, perhaps.
2. Lawsuits? What if, the Democratic party lined up half a dozen lawyers, and EVERYTIME the Gerths and Solomons write false things….IMMEDIATELY hit them back HARD with a FIFTY MILLION DOLLAR lawsuit? Make headlines with it….shake some leaves.
*** Now, there may be a hundred reasons why this idea won’t work. Well, ok. But I’d rather see this brainpower devoted to how to HIT BACK, rather than us all just sitting around moping about the injustice of it all. I don’t mean to single ANYONE out….but I always believe that if you take a hard swing back at someone, they’ll slow down before they punch you again.
Ghostman
Quick note on YKOS and media (I’ll be doing a dkos diary about this with more later this weekend and I’ll repost it here for my home town gang!)
We have an enormous number of media coming to YKOS – from some of our best friends to some rather surprising names. All have approached us in a very professional and respectful manner and they have definitely received the same from us.
We’re very clear that YKOS is not about media coverage, it’s about all of us gathering to build our movement further and to raise our very individual voices into a strong progressive demand for change. We have not asked anyone to cover us and we do not and would not ask anyone – blogger or attendee or friend who can’t make it – to change what they say or how they say it. The media is coming to us, they are drawn by the power we are demonstrating – and we, who criticize the politicians for not speaking up see no reason to now emulate them simply because the media spotlight is getting brighter.
We know, and the information on swiftboating, etc shows, that certain factions in the media will describe us in negative ways – this is not dependent on what we do or say but on their own predisposition. We could act like good little goopers and they would still report us as angry, weird or whathaveyou.
We also are seeing some media approach YKOS with genuine interest and our team is looking forward to working with them as they meet the blogosphere, not as stereotype but as real people in the same room.
My suggestion is that we continue – in our writings and in our actions at YKOS – to be who we are, to speak truth to power. Whether we’re writing a comment here or talking to someone in person at YKOS, we should always act and speak with personal integrity – and a sense of humor.
The media will do what they do but more importantly we will do what we came to do -
and if they get it wrong, I’m sure we’ll let them know!
We’ll also need help from people who can’t come to YKOS – we’re working out the final details of a project you can help us with – and there will be lots of ways to experience YKOS from home as well as in the NV desert!
Any media questions can reach me at media dot yearlykos at gmail dot com.
lotus- Yep- that’s BAD! Goopers will turn this into an eleventh hour phone campaign to get out the vote. Busby may be screwed!
cbl -SNORT! I’m just hoping if I’m assigned to Hugh’s camp there’s a translator.
rwcole – I think maybe substitute hazing for hazey. I feel for the guy a little. McClellan would have just said: “He was absolutely misquoted – I can’t tell you how or why and it may not be that words were substituted or that anything was taken out of context but it is absolutely the case that it was a misquote. If the President says that the laws of grammatic and conceptual consequence have been suspended, then they have. This war is just as much a war of ideas as it is a war of bombs and bullets. When the press recklessly assaults the public with nouns and verbs, specifically aligned within quotation marks to yield a concept that is contradictory to this administration’s position – YOU are helping the enemy.”
He create’s fear and hatred that causes motivation to vote.
Mary- You have altogether too much sympathy for the enemy. Tony New Guy just hasn’t caught the technique yet.
Oh Busby……
-GSD
Francine must have decided that she doesn’t care for DC.
DHS better be very good, for we will need it bad. The sons, cousins, brothers, sisters are coming.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0602.html
What a tragedy.
Redd- are you a baseball fan? Great shot of bat meeting ball in the power zone!
Quick OT comment since Rkennedy’s article failed to mention it–which surprised me. The Govenrment Accountability Office report on the 2004 election fraud claims in Ohio confirms fraud. Just FYI since some comments have been made here:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf
The question is whether we can re-work the pattern into something that is more balanced.
I don’t see how we can “rework” a pattern that is obviously supported by bribery.
Whatever would compel these people to give up the compensation they are receiving to slant the news? Further, the bribers can turn into blackmailers at any moment. You don’t think Chris Matthews or Tim Russert have squeaky-clean personal and professional lives, do you? Or that they would be insensitive to revelations about their exploits?
rwcole,
don’t count Francine out just yet – I know you have a better lay of the land than I, but it still looks like more folks are going to vote against Bush/Cunningham, than vote for Bilbray
AND, wonder what SD papers will have on Monday wrt Rep. Lewis
cbl–Fortunately- a lot of the vote is already in the jar- but this will be a “turnout” election. Busby’s remark may well cause a flood of goopers to show up at the polls.
Drudgie has a picture of Francine Busby along with an MP3 audio file….
Another lassic Democratic campaign mistake…do you need more ammunition for that empty gun?
Here you go.
-GSD
Thank you Harry , did anyone hear the little boy who survived ?!?!?
can you say generational memory ? I knew ya could
Sorry if someone has posted this link already…just got to work (hee hee) but here is the GOP Wulitzer in full action.
WASHINGTON (AP) – If the chips fall right for Democrats and their party seizes control of the House, President Bush’s agenda on Capitol Hill would fall into the hands of some of his most dogged opponents.
[snip]
For Republicans, the prospect of the House being led by a San Franciscan and so many left-leaning chairmen has supporters in business and Washington’s K Street lobbying shops aghast. The switch could mark the demise of Bush’s tax cut agenda and would usher into power union allies such as Rangel and Miller.
“The whole issue agenda would change,” said GOP lobbyist Jack Howard. “All the businesses and trade associations would find themselves on defense.”
http://apnews.myway.com/articl…..RQD00.html
Mary
LOL, and that’s a wonderful quote.
rwcole says “Did the president take a stand on the south carolina law…”
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 am
I don’t think it passed. I will find out what happened.
new thread
siun (65) — realizing, of course, this is deep into the EPU zone, but I wanted to respond to your comment.
Many of the goopers who supported the Vietnam War are very much the DLC-hawk types, or were Reagan Democrats. (I’m also aware that the Vietnam War was the reason Johnson withdrew from the ‘68 race; at least he had the sense if not honor to do so, unlike the gooper in office.) As one of the grassroots/netroots activists, I’m doing what I can to weed these hawk-types out; I’m increasingly aware we have them on the ground here in the field and they are actively backstabbing us. But we’ve got a bead on them and I’m only just getting started.
They none of them had a family serve in Iraq; I did. I also have an uncle who served in Vietnam, came home with PTSD and has never ever quite been the same. War is simply not an effective answer a political tool for stopping a meme (like communism or radical fundamentalism). It’s time to use what works instead.
I saw something that shocked me in terms of the MSM yesterday. I normally keep an eye on Lou Dobbs to see what’s he’s going to do in terms of his “War on the Middle Class”. Part of his yesterday transcripts are worth a read:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..dt.01.html
Do a search on the word marriage
On the 2nd found hit, read that portion and you will be as suprised as I was. Here, Lou and his guests were mocking the “Marriage Amendment”–right after Dana Bash’s segment over video it gets very interesting. Even Bill Schnieder of the AEI got in on the act and it wasn’t the type of GOP Kool-Aide Stirring I’m used to seeing from Bill.
After watching that rare segment, I’m just wondering how far he will go in this direction. But I truly think this was egged on by his viewers. He put out the question the day before, what do you think Bush and the Republican congress have achieved and just before the piece I referenced, he started reading those viewer comments–some of which:
Brian in California saying, “Lou, you asked for our ideas on what the Bush administration and Congress are doing right. OK. OK. I’m thinking. Give me a minute. I’m still thinking. Can I get back to you on this one?”
And Jim in Illinois saying, “Dear Lou, I’ve thought most of the day about your question and I think I’ve come up with the one thing that our government has done for us. It has brought the American voters together in one common goal, to vote them out in November.”
And Sherry in California, “Hi, Lou. I’ve read and read this over and over again and given it 24 hours of good thought. I came up with nothing, absolutely nothing of what the Bush administration is doing right. As for Congress, the only thing that’s been done right is the Sensenbrenner immigration bill and the defeat of the Dubai ports deal.”
We’ll have more of your thoughts coming up here in just a matter of moments, but I have to tell you, I have never seen — we had e- mails from all over the country, thousands and thousands of them, and I’ve never seen the word “nothing” expressed in so many different ways.
I didn’t give it full context, as I know no one here would want to read the the supposed balance of the wing nut views he aired–but I was suprised to here it go as far as it did.