Comments on: Kill the Messenger http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:03:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: vachon http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-127136 vachon Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:15:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-127136 <p>I had forgotten about the right-wing truth squad that went over to do “real reporting” from Iraq. Funny, they kind of just blended in with the wallpaper and stfu after they came back, didn’t they? Wonder why?</p> I had forgotten about the right-wing truth squad that went over to do “real reporting” from Iraq. Funny, they kind of just blended in with the wallpaper and stfu after they came back, didn’t they? Wonder why?

]]> By: the Fly-man http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-127020 the Fly-man Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:56:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-127020 <p>Yea! A photo credit! Here is a great link regarding that photo. Thanks.<br /> <a href="http://www.photographers.it/articoli/foto1/capa/falling">http://www.photographers.it/ar.....pa/falling</a> soldier.pdf<br /> Have fun in Vegas, love The Fly-Man.</p> Yea! A photo credit! Here is a great link regarding that photo. Thanks.
http://www.photographers.it/ar…..pa/falling soldier.pdf
Have fun in Vegas, love The Fly-Man.

]]> By: Batocchio http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126999 Batocchio Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:38:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126999 <p>Great entry. I did not know there were actual organized “opposition research” campaigns against <i>journalists</i>. That’s astounding.</p> <p>Plus, I’m a huge fan of Capa. One of the all-time greats.</p> Great entry. I did not know there were actual organized “opposition research” campaigns against journalists. That’s astounding.

Plus, I’m a huge fan of Capa. One of the all-time greats.

]]> By: professor rat http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126951 professor rat Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:43:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126951 <p>In an emergency such as this some things have to be done straight away and then other things done in order to obtain the best result. We have to take a deep breath first. Part of the MSM’s disgust and dislike of the Dems may have a basis in fact if , in fact the majority of dems are like Poker Machine addicts constantly feeding money into a rigged machine. No one can respect a team that always plays on a tilted field with a giant fan machine blasting against them.<br /> So taking charge of fixing the process becomes an immediate priority. Some folks here have been harping on about the machines and that is a big part of it - the rise of the machines.<br /> It is also a combination of things and they include racism, gerrymandering, court stacking, bullying, lying, stealing and manipulating the corporate media amongst other things.<br /> This is now a hot button issue - taking democracy back from the Military/entertainment complex. We will really need to leverage the net and that means we defend and extend the web.<br /> If we lose the web then violent revolution becomes inevitable.<br /> Some other priorities such as a tactical retreat to the Murtha line and a full strategic review of the war situation now becomes a second order issue because the war has come home.<br /> In a war situation such as we know find ourselves the appeasers, the Chamberlains, the Liebermans all have to be replaced by the fighters. The Lee’s, the Feingolds, the Deans and the Lamont’s. This is a matter of life and death but it’s also more important than that.<br /> Lady Liberty is being raped by this gang of criminals - we must act!</p> In an emergency such as this some things have to be done straight away and then other things done in order to obtain the best result. We have to take a deep breath first. Part of the MSM’s disgust and dislike of the Dems may have a basis in fact if , in fact the majority of dems are like Poker Machine addicts constantly feeding money into a rigged machine. No one can respect a team that always plays on a tilted field with a giant fan machine blasting against them.
So taking charge of fixing the process becomes an immediate priority. Some folks here have been harping on about the machines and that is a big part of it – the rise of the machines.
It is also a combination of things and they include racism, gerrymandering, court stacking, bullying, lying, stealing and manipulating the corporate media amongst other things.
This is now a hot button issue – taking democracy back from the Military/entertainment complex. We will really need to leverage the net and that means we defend and extend the web.
If we lose the web then violent revolution becomes inevitable.
Some other priorities such as a tactical retreat to the Murtha line and a full strategic review of the war situation now becomes a second order issue because the war has come home.
In a war situation such as we know find ourselves the appeasers, the Chamberlains, the Liebermans all have to be replaced by the fighters. The Lee’s, the Feingolds, the Deans and the Lamont’s. This is a matter of life and death but it’s also more important than that.
Lady Liberty is being raped by this gang of criminals – we must act!

]]> By: suttree http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126648 suttree Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:04:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126648 <p>Buy oil from Venezuela not Texas or Saudi Arabia</p> <p>–popularly *elected* leader Hugo Chavez although Bush-liars want you to believe otherwise</p> <p>–not a dollar to US Oil Scumbags</p> <p>–not a dollar to petro-terror Arab states</p> <p>CITGO are stores owned and operated by them. </p> <p>To find one near you:</p> <p><a href="http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp">http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp</a></p> Buy oil from Venezuela not Texas or Saudi Arabia

–popularly *elected* leader Hugo Chavez although Bush-liars want you to believe otherwise

–not a dollar to US Oil Scumbags

–not a dollar to petro-terror Arab states

CITGO are stores owned and operated by them.

To find one near you:

http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp

]]> By: kth http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126619 kth Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:44:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126619 <p>MoDo mention’s Ingraham’s vile remark in her latest column. I found a <a href="http://dreamlogic.us.to/2006/06/01/maureen-dowd-live-from-baghdad-more-dying/">“mirror” here</a>. Good for something when she sets her mind to it.</p> MoDo mention’s Ingraham’s vile remark in her latest column. I found a “mirror” here. Good for something when she sets her mind to it.

]]> By: mc http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126551 mc Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:54:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126551 <p>jwr (110):</p> <p>There is some controversy over that particular shot. Staged or not, Capa’s contribution (and ultimate sacrifice to his craft) to photojournalism and war coverage in particular is unmatched.</p> <p>In these days of Photoshop when anyone can create anything on a computer screen, getting someone to pretend they’re being shot, strikes me as, well, quaint.</p> jwr (110):

There is some controversy over that particular shot. Staged or not, Capa’s contribution (and ultimate sacrifice to his craft) to photojournalism and war coverage in particular is unmatched.

In these days of Photoshop when anyone can create anything on a computer screen, getting someone to pretend they’re being shot, strikes me as, well, quaint.

]]> By: shoephone http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126538 shoephone Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:48:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126538 <p>egregious #125 and #126 -</p> <p>Your grandmother was a pioneer. The national League is somewhat frayed over the HAVA issue, as regards paper ballots. The national League came to consensus about two years ago that electronic voting machines were okay, it’s the wave of the future, blah blah. Some of the local leagues protested - ours in Seattle was one of them. We don’t trust the machines at all. We are lucky enough to have Bev Harris living here, and she was one of our panelists at the public forum on blackbox voting - her specialty.</p> <p>I’m on my way to the national League convention next week, and the controversy surrounding paper verified ballots is heating up to be a huge issue there.</p> egregious #125 and #126 -

Your grandmother was a pioneer. The national League is somewhat frayed over the HAVA issue, as regards paper ballots. The national League came to consensus about two years ago that electronic voting machines were okay, it’s the wave of the future, blah blah. Some of the local leagues protested – ours in Seattle was one of them. We don’t trust the machines at all. We are lucky enough to have Bev Harris living here, and she was one of our panelists at the public forum on blackbox voting – her specialty.

I’m on my way to the national League convention next week, and the controversy surrounding paper verified ballots is heating up to be a huge issue there.

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126535 Hugh Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:47:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126535 <p>John Casper,</p> <p>Thanks for the Capa quote. It is not only a good general statement about journalism, it is what a photographer’s photographer would say.</p> John Casper,

Thanks for the Capa quote. It is not only a good general statement about journalism, it is what a photographer’s photographer would say.

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126526 Hugh Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:43:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/kill-the-messenger/#comment-126526 <p>The 2004 election<br /> The 2000 election<br /> 9/11<br /> Iraq<br /> Katrina<br /> Spying, torture<br /> Sweetheart deals, laws written by lobbyists, tax cuts for the wealthy</p> <p>The problem with keeping up with the Bush Administration’s criminality and incompetence is that it is a full time job. I keep thinking that there will be some line they won’t cross, some fiasco they will avoid, some situation they can’t screw up, but they keep proving me wrong. Lie here, lie there, steal a billion here, steal an election there, what’s the difference? These guys are criminals pure and simple. Do not expect them to go quietly.</p> The 2004 election
The 2000 election
9/11
Iraq
Katrina
Spying, torture
Sweetheart deals, laws written by lobbyists, tax cuts for the wealthy

The problem with keeping up with the Bush Administration’s criminality and incompetence is that it is a full time job. I keep thinking that there will be some line they won’t cross, some fiasco they will avoid, some situation they can’t screw up, but they keep proving me wrong. Lie here, lie there, steal a billion here, steal an election there, what’s the difference? These guys are criminals pure and simple. Do not expect them to go quietly.

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