Comments on: Hack the Vote http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:03:29 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127966 mui Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:39:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127966 <p>EPU’d and I don’t care. OK I read the article. It’s totally depressing. Why aren’t Blackwell and both the Noes and their buddies all in jail yet? Charges or not. And that creature Katherine Harris is still running amuck sidling up to the cameras for Sean Hannity. G-d it’s depressing. One question: Is it all done for the cocktail weenies?</p> EPU’d and I don’t care. OK I read the article. It’s totally depressing. Why aren’t Blackwell and both the Noes and their buddies all in jail yet? Charges or not. And that creature Katherine Harris is still running amuck sidling up to the cameras for Sean Hannity. G-d it’s depressing. One question: Is it all done for the cocktail weenies?

]]> By: carolyn urban http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127873 carolyn urban Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:35:34 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127873 <p>I’ll be EPU’d, but - have to comment. I knew the election was stolen (2004) while it was happening. The long lines in Ohio, standing there till 3 in the morning, young people, low income neighborhoods, and they were waiting to vote for Bush?<br /> And what was startling: Bush on TV at about 6 PM eastern, with the startled deer trembley lip look. He knew he was losing. Then, two hours later, at 8 PM, they show him back at the White House, relaxed and confident and joking. It was reported then that Karl Rove came down and told the President that he had the election. This was when polls were still going strongly against him. Karl decided it was time to put in the fix.<br /> I was so heartsick and angry afterwards, but my anger turned to RAGE that no media, other than Keith Olberman, bothered to give it any coverage, other than some tin foil hat remark. I haven’t read a newspaper or watched network news since<br /> This is one the biggest threats to our democracy, and we are going to all have to roll up our sleeves and work our butts off, locally, or whereever needed to shine bright lights on these Slimy Ratfucks.</p> I’ll be EPU’d, but – have to comment. I knew the election was stolen (2004) while it was happening. The long lines in Ohio, standing there till 3 in the morning, young people, low income neighborhoods, and they were waiting to vote for Bush?
And what was startling: Bush on TV at about 6 PM eastern, with the startled deer trembley lip look. He knew he was losing. Then, two hours later, at 8 PM, they show him back at the White House, relaxed and confident and joking. It was reported then that Karl Rove came down and told the President that he had the election. This was when polls were still going strongly against him. Karl decided it was time to put in the fix.
I was so heartsick and angry afterwards, but my anger turned to RAGE that no media, other than Keith Olberman, bothered to give it any coverage, other than some tin foil hat remark. I haven’t read a newspaper or watched network news since
This is one the biggest threats to our democracy, and we are going to all have to roll up our sleeves and work our butts off, locally, or whereever needed to shine bright lights on these Slimy Ratfucks.

]]> By: vemrion http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127848 vemrion Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:10:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127848 <p>Glad to see someone is blogging about this! I’ve been posting all day over at my blog. </p> <p><a href="http://www.ElectricMonkeyPants.com">www.ElectricMonkeyPants.com</a></p> <p>The media seems curiously quiet on this one. I wonder if it has anything do with the fact that they are complicit in the coverup…</p> Glad to see someone is blogging about this! I’ve been posting all day over at my blog.

http://www.ElectricMonkeyPants.com

The media seems curiously quiet on this one. I wonder if it has anything do with the fact that they are complicit in the coverup…

]]> By: melfeasance http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127615 melfeasance Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:15:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127615 <p>I’ve been searching the MSM for a reference to Kennedy’s article, but I’ve found nothing. I think we might have to bombard the media again, as we did with the Downing Street Memo. It worked then and it will work now. That campaign was run by bloggers. So what are we waiting for?</p> I’ve been searching the MSM for a reference to Kennedy’s article, but I’ve found nothing. I think we might have to bombard the media again, as we did with the Downing Street Memo. It worked then and it will work now. That campaign was run by bloggers. So what are we waiting for?

]]> By: chharriett http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127467 chharriett Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:06:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127467 <p>Everyone needs to request an absentee ballot (I know, they can toss those too, but anyone have a better idea?)!!! I am very glad that Kennedy wrote the article, but it reminded me that I cried for four days after they stole this election too.</p> Everyone needs to request an absentee ballot (I know, they can toss those too, but anyone have a better idea?)!!! I am very glad that Kennedy wrote the article, but it reminded me that I cried for four days after they stole this election too.

]]> By: CuriosityKilledTheCat http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127389 CuriosityKilledTheCat Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:57:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127389 <p>If Kennedy can pursue this issue with the relentless drive his father showed in pursuing mobsters, and bring charges (racketeering? conspiracy?) resulting in the conviction of many of the key and lower level players, so cleaning up voting and making fraud a dangerous thing to do before or during an election ….</p> <p>…. then he would deserve to run for President.</p> If Kennedy can pursue this issue with the relentless drive his father showed in pursuing mobsters, and bring charges (racketeering? conspiracy?) resulting in the conviction of many of the key and lower level players, so cleaning up voting and making fraud a dangerous thing to do before or during an election ….

…. then he would deserve to run for President.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127337 Mary Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:18:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127337 <p>John PH - you aren’t factoring in the possibility of items like machine malfunctions without replacements, lack of personnel to handle confirmations, excessively slow identifications checking, delays due to polling personnel arrivals or non-arrival, etc. </p> <p>Lots of things go into how a polling place operates other than the ideal of plenty of people, plenty of machines, no shenanigans, etc. The whole point of the concerns and challenges is that it was not a matter of just showing up and voting and being in and out in three minutes.</p> John PH – you aren’t factoring in the possibility of items like machine malfunctions without replacements, lack of personnel to handle confirmations, excessively slow identifications checking, delays due to polling personnel arrivals or non-arrival, etc.

Lots of things go into how a polling place operates other than the ideal of plenty of people, plenty of machines, no shenanigans, etc. The whole point of the concerns and challenges is that it was not a matter of just showing up and voting and being in and out in three minutes.

]]> By: Bert http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127301 Bert Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:46:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127301 <p>Re: #197 The comment was on:<br /> <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002900.htm">http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002900.htm</a> </p> Re: #197 The comment was on:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002900.htm

]]> By: Bert http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127293 Bert Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:39:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127293 <p>It’s not E=mc2 but … would be how #197 was implemented.</p> It’s not E=mc2 but … would be how #197 was implemented.

]]> By: John Pearley Huffman http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127272 John Pearley Huffman Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:20:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/01/hack-the-vote/#comment-127272 <p>Ed N Sted,</p> <p>I’m suspicious of the Kenyon example simply because of the math…</p> <p>In order for a line to be 10 to 12 hours long (in the rain!) there has to be a lot of people in it. If a polling station has, say, five booths and each voter takes (a generously long) three minutes to vote, that’s five voters every three minutes. For a line to stretch 12 hours long there would have to be at least 1200 voters in that line (meaning the all arrived at essentially the same time) and they’d all have to stay in line until their chance to vote came.</p> <p>Considering that most polling stations have more than five booths and it usually takes far less than three minutes to vote, I find the Gambier claim of a 12-hour line highly unlikely (if it took two minutes to vote and there were 10 booths the line would have to streatch out at least 3600 voters long). It may have taken some time to vote there… but 12 hours? No way. I’ll chalk Matthew Segal’s un-audited and unprofessional assessment of the time to vote up to adolescent hyperbole.</p> <p>That’s not to diminish that voting ought to be convenient and not time consuming, only that the 12 hour claim is outlandish. Of course the issue is serious, but I’m not buying anecdotes as evidence.</p> Ed N Sted,

I’m suspicious of the Kenyon example simply because of the math…

In order for a line to be 10 to 12 hours long (in the rain!) there has to be a lot of people in it. If a polling station has, say, five booths and each voter takes (a generously long) three minutes to vote, that’s five voters every three minutes. For a line to stretch 12 hours long there would have to be at least 1200 voters in that line (meaning the all arrived at essentially the same time) and they’d all have to stay in line until their chance to vote came.

Considering that most polling stations have more than five booths and it usually takes far less than three minutes to vote, I find the Gambier claim of a 12-hour line highly unlikely (if it took two minutes to vote and there were 10 booths the line would have to streatch out at least 3600 voters long). It may have taken some time to vote there… but 12 hours? No way. I’ll chalk Matthew Segal’s un-audited and unprofessional assessment of the time to vote up to adolescent hyperbole.

That’s not to diminish that voting ought to be convenient and not time consuming, only that the 12 hour claim is outlandish. Of course the issue is serious, but I’m not buying anecdotes as evidence.

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