
The new Rolling Stone has an article up by Robert Kennedy Jr. about GOP vote suppression in 2004. It’s one of those complex subjects to which other bloggers devote a lot of much-needed attention and cover quite well so I’ll leave it to them to do the heavy lifting and just say that I’m glad whenever it rises to the level of national debate.
Says Kennedy:
Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush’s victory as nut cases in ”tinfoil hats,” while the national media, with few exceptions, did little to question the validity of the election. The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ”conspiracy theories,”(1) and The New York Times declared that ”there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.”(2)
But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad(3) never received their ballots — or received them too late to vote(4) — after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations.(5) A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states,(6) was discovered shredding Democratic registrations.(7) In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes,(8) malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots.(9) Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment — roughly one for every 100 cast.(10)
The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush’s victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.(11)
That the GOP devotes plenty of time, money and manpower to these illegal and deplorable tactis is undeniable — and that they both stick by and reward those who engage in them is undeniable. Trying to keep people from voting is anti-Democratic and anti-American, and there are few places where wingnuttia’s contempt for democracy becomes more blatantly obvioius.
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fitz!
Kazuza – Damn you Cozumel.
History is the best of teachers.
So I WAS EPU’d– from the last thread
=== Valley Girl says:
June 1st, 2006 at 3:29 pm
I am just checking in, and assume that I will be EPU’d. I read the RS article. The only part of it that is new to me is the part about the analysis of the Mitofsky exit polls. As far as I can remember EVERY other part of this was reported by Brad Friedman at BradBlog months and months and months ago, more than a year ago in most cases. It’s probably no coincidence that BB had excerpts of the article up before it appeared online. Election reform is Brad’s big issue and main focus, and he was all over this.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., bless you!
Well, I say bless Brad Friedman.
Would Fitz be able to investigate this stuff? Or, someone like him?
Is the Justice Department even remotely interested in ensuring honest elections?
Is the Elections Commssion able to investigate?
Why didn’t Kerry, with all his money pursue the issue at the time?
Where is the justice?
Where is the assurance we need that it won’t happen in 2006 and 2008?
This certainly does deserve to “rise to the level of national debate.” It’s deserved it for a long time. So far the blogs haven’t gotten their just deserts as far as having a “national” voice, so I’m glad about the article. Kudos to Rolling Stone for printing it!
Hopefully this will be a springboard into the MSM.
I am still reeling from having read the article — it’s flabbergasting.
It’s all so insidious, so coordinated, so shameless. How do we stake the heart of this tarantula?
The press really hates to be accused of a lack of patriotism or short of team spirit. Best to nip that in the bud, by declaring that the “best man won” — as quickly as possible. Al Gore upset their metabolisms by not agreeing. Kerry went along with the program.
“Why didn’t Kerry, with all his money pursue the issue at the time?”
Karl must have pictures…
I was so mad after reading that, I had to pound a few inanimate objects. While swinging away, I thought of dear Norske Flamethrower. It seemed like a good PASS THE AMMUNITION moment.
shredding Democratic registrations was just a test-run for the real objective — shredding the Constitution.
Rootz !!!
And here are some details of the 2000 Theft
Makes one wonder what 2006 will add to this sorry episode in American electorial history
“Eventually, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.” – Robert C. Byrd
Thanks Jane. I hope the other “big name” bloggers join you to at least call attention to Kennedys piece. We really need to raise the profile on this issue.
Channeling Punaise:
‘Forced spread in Ohio’
;>)
This will go absolutely nowhere. Add it to the long, long list.
Haven’t a few of our blogger heroes dismissed the stolen election issue out of hand in the past? Can we now claim some sort of universality on this issue?
When did voter suppression become even remotely acceptable in our democracy, even under the guise of “preventing election fraud?” This is a criminal enterprise, this GOP, and it needs the sunshine. Yay, RFKjr and Rolling Stone, but especially yay Brad!
I just read that bit you cited Jane to my bud and his eyes are glistening. I was telling him about the article and your new post came up and helped me to explain it pdq cause I was at a loss to describe it except in emotional terms- (he asked for the specifics), so thank you. He will print it up and hand it around at work tomorrow; it’s one way to get it out there.
Still shaking. Our democratic republic is in its last throes, we have to change things.
EPU’d just in time for a pertinent post! to lhp at 106 – We need some very specific ideas for about 10,000 people to do.
1. Find out who to call to be a poll monitor.
2. Take a video of anyone coming to “repair” a voting maching that has a “glitch”.
3. Count the number of people entering to vote. Sometimes the precinct total is strangely higher than the number of people who showed up.
4. IMPORTANT: Cover the infrared port with thick enough tape so that there can’t be any data transmission during the vote. After hours…another problem.
5. Record what happens to voting machines that suddenly don’t work. What about those votes? Do they ever get counted?
6. Try to arrange for or participate in exit polling, perhaps in conjunction with the local newspaper or university.
7. Etc, just off the top of my uninformed head. Being from Ohio originally I’m all over the need to prevent voting fraud in 2006. My grandmother was the first president of the League of Women Voters in our town, wonder what she would think of Ohio’s situation now.
have another beer
;-)
Jane, thanks for posting this. I believe that this is among the most important issues that must be resolved in order to restore sanity to America, and before that can happen I think it needs to become a general issue, not just left up to a few specialists, no matter how good a job they do. Election fraud needs attention and I hope others will join you in writing about it more often.
The only way this is going anywhere is if the American people embrace it. If you can steal an election, leave the evidence out in the open for all to see, and there STILL aren’t crowds in the streets, then we’re doomed. So were’re probably doomed. I hope and pray that this ends with 5 million people on the Mall demanding that Clusterfuck quit. Just quit.
…and the rest of it:
Department of being fair to the other side: DeWine is not part of any known Republican scandal. Of course I hope Brown wins for Senate nevertheless. Everybody ELSE…hmmm…
Secretary of State Blackwell, in charge of voter fraud (hey! so sue me for libel!) in 2004 and 2005 will be in charge of counting ballots for his OWN election to Governor in 2006. What is wrong with this picture. [/rant]
I’m glad it’s finally getting some sunshine. I wonder if RFKJr. is who Mark Crispin Miller was refering to when he said “someone big” was going to be coming out with the voter issue.
Why didn’t Kerry pursue the issue at the time?
Because calling the election stolen at the time would have made him seem like a lunatic in the eyes of most people.
I for one am convinced that the Rovians knew this perfectly well and used it to their advantage. Stealing an election is just such an unbelieveable thing that they knew no one would believe it. It’s the perfect crime.
The MSM is especially bad at covering stories that are math intensive and deal with probability issues (polls vs results, changes in voting patterns, etc), or with arcania like hacking, encryption, and computer security. I haven’t yet read the article, but RFK clearly emphasizes the *visible* vote manipulation.
What troubles me is that the electronic voting machines and tablulators are, according to computer experts, laughably hackable. All I have to do is run a virus check on my computer, or look at my “junk” e-mail box to know that if a system is vulnerable, someone will take advantage of that weakness. So I have to assume that the likelihood these systems have already been hacked is high.
What we have here is means, motive, and prior history on the part of the Republican party. And until recently, a “What me worry?” MSM. Let’s hope that RFK Jr’s article opens up this can of worms and shakes it all over the national table.
Y’all headed for YKos, I’m suddenly glad for its timing and the convergence of attention on these high-crimes-and-misdemeanors it’s sure to provide. God damn, GET ‘EM!
I’m proud to say I hosted a mirror site for Georgia10’s pdf opus “Somethng About Ohio” in 2004. Huge volume of downloads.
I’m starting to really wish Al Gore would run again! Am I alone? Crazy–?
Al Gore for President– NOW!
Which is why John Kerry will never get my vote for dogcatcher, much less president. I wish he would stop acting like he is some sort of elder statesman in this party. He let us down, huge.
I have a much bigger problem with how Kerry handled the stolen election than with how Gore did. Gore got blindsided and ws reacting. Kerry knew it was comming and abdicated.
Egr at 25 (hey! so sue me for libel!) is no relation to Libby Sosume at 11. But funny anyway :)
Timing is everything. Poll numbers in the 29% range allow for a broader discussion considering the lack of trust expressed by the polling data.
Here’s to Robert Kennedy Jr. for taking a stand, and Rolling Stone for giving him the platform to stand on.
Does anyone have any idea what it would take to start a campaign demanding paper ballots?
Failing that, does anyone know how we as a group can sabotage the election with the right hack?
VG,
of course you are right. Seems if a blogger breaks a story and hammers on it the MSM is reluctant to pick up on it and give any credence to the blogosphere whatsoever. Meanwhile, the people getting hosed in the pissing contest is everyone else. Now if we can just get the story published besides in that far-left dope-smoking hippy mag by a Kennedy. You know that will be the pushback. Oh well,baby steps.
Interesting historical notes about 2000 and 2004.
However, people need to look forward. And the future of the Republican state is paper-free voting machines. Anybody who argues that such machines cannot be manipulated is a naieve luddite or a willing accomplice to the end of one voter=one vote democracy.
Google says: “Your search – Robert Kennedy Jr., Ohio – did not match any documents.” No one in this country gives a shit; least of all the media. The only answer is to somehow get enough Democrats elected to fix this outrage. A conundrum to be sure.
margaret @ 7:
‘Why didnt Kerry, with all his money pursue the issue at the time?’
A case of ‘You can’t fight the octopus alone’, writ large…Kerry learned that hard lesson when he went after BCCI.
Huge kudos to anyone and everyone putting this story out there. I’m sure Brad would love more exposure, but I also bet he’s still gleeful this story made the front of RS!
The stench of what has transpired in American voting booths is not answered by saying “what about 1960?” I wasn’t around when it was corrupt Dems stealing votes in Chicago, and I make no excuses for any similar behavior by any slimeball on any swath of the political spectrum! Two wrongs don’t make a right, though in the case of electronic voting and all the other illegal tactics committed since 2000, two wrongs sure do seem to make many a happy Righty.
At least KO gets his just desserts for covering the issue! He will surely cover it tonight (if he’s back!).
I do remember the almost frightening feeling of relief and freedom that started to mount on election day as the exit polls seemed to predict victory, which was then was horribly shattered.
TRex and the rest – The best defense against vote fraud is probably to legitimize and spread the issue. Talk to everyone you know. I don’t tell people, especially conservatives, “I suspect the 2004 election may have been stolen,” (though I do.) Rather I say, “It troubles me greatly that computer experts say these systems are easily hackable, and far less secure than ATMs. I want to be confident that my vote is being counted.”
Unfortunately (as someone who’s well versed on this issue explained to me), paper ballots will not necessarily solve our problems. As the article points out, lots of the problems had to do with voter registration–AND the machines that COUNT the votes, whether paper or no, can also be tampered with.
Here’s a really radical idea:
Be a poll worker. I’m an Election Judge at my precinct next Tuesday.
BUT — the kinds of fraud that RFK documents (with over 200 footnotes to other published sources) occur at higher levels. We need to push our elected officials for better answers. NOW!
BTW, the MSM in consortium showed in its most definitive study of the Florida ballots that Gore would have won in 2000, if there had been a total recount. The War on Terror removed that issue from the table, supposedly.
Bush is a thief AND a liar.
i love algore as much as anyone BUT, when he was on freshair with terry gross this week i could have whacked him upside the head. he said he thought w was a very smart man but incurious. HE CAN’T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT. the only thing listeners will take away from that broadcast is the fact that al said w was smart. i want him to be the fire breathing dragon that he is when he gives one of his barn burner speeches. please al. the time has come.
those clunky mechanical voting machines with levers and curtains were put into place to overcome the multitudinous deficiencies of paper ballots … but God help us from those “electronic voting doogies” ! Thoroughly evil!
In Indpls we now use machine-readable paper ballots. Quick tallying with a recount-audit-trail ! I like it …
Our Human Rights Campaign response made HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..22035.html
egregious @ #22, great suggestions! In OR I won’t be able to use those techniques as we have the very sane and democratic vote-by-mail system. Hmmm, maybe I need to take a protect-the-voters vacation somewhere warm this Nov.
looseheadrop #34
Republicans have this staff of financed thugs that go out and do evil. If Kerry would have gone forth, prior to the ground being softened up, he would have looked like a whiny crybaby.
The pattern of voter suppresion was vast and rampant and easily recognizable long before election day. The fact that the dems did not have a foaming at the mouth (non-partisan nacherly) voters advocate screaming for months prior and pointing to the huge fraud heading our way for election day is our fault as a party.
WE know they lie and cheat and steal everything that is not nailed down, when they don’t have a prybar. Every move any republican makes must be met with shouts of fraud and foul. We do not need to use dirty tricks, but we better damn well know they will.
I don’t expect Republicans to be anything but criminals. But where the hell are the Democrats??? And I mean besides RFK Jr. Jane’s closing thought is right – there is nothing more sacred to this American democracy than preserving and protecting the right to vote! I’m so livid I could scream.
egregious – left you a post (#129) on last thread regarding LWV’s internal controversy over the paper verified ballots.
Washington State just ruled two weeks ago to permanently switch to all absentee voting. Not everyone is so trusting of that alternative either.
Oscar’s mom – I just called all my state reps (including the governor) asking why the Dems are rolling over so pathetically on the Pharmacy Board ruling.
egregious,
want to be part of the 50 state project?
OK. I have to ask. Let’s say that some manner of unequivocal evidence surfaces… “proving” massive election fraud in ‘04 and a national gooper conspiracy to execute it… Fitz finds documents in Karl Rove’s safe deposit box, a corporate officer at Dieblood comes clean and produces documentary evidence, whatever. Then what? Obviously, prosecutions may result. But how about otherwise? Are any remedies available for the American people? For Senator Kerry? Is there any scenario where an election could be set aside years after the fact? Could the gooper party be put out of business with financial damages? Who would be able to sue with a reasonable expectation that such damages might be awarded?
An Astonishing Article. My tinfoil hat is glowing bright red. It is crystal clear. Corporate media has totally covered up the GOPs stab into the heart of American Democracy.
Bradblog was my first blog. He is the best. This is all old news to me also. But it may be a very big deal. Finally.
Percy
Yes yes yes!!!!
How about one old rusty voting machine in each republican precinct, permanently frozen to elect democrats. We could say the republicans cut the funding to buy new ones to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy.
If you have a problem, just rattle your jewelry for attention.
Hillary sends Chertoff a postcard.
http://clinton.senate.gov/postcards/index.cfm
Linked from Taylor Marsh.
The Rovian serenity prayer:
“Oh, great God-like Machiavelli,”
“Grant me the serenity to rat-fuck the bastards I cannot change,”
“the courage to streamroll the stupid spineless fucks I can,”
“and the wisdom to always expertly cover my tracks so they never know the difference.”
………….
Cynical much?
You bet.
I don’t understand why this wasn’t one of the centerpiece issues, led by Mr. “I’ll-Fight-for-Every-Vote” (yeah, right) Kerry, after the ‘04 election?
(Hell, after the ‘00 election for that matter.)
If the American electorate can’t trust the integrity of the election apparatus, if it isn’t transparent to all, it makes a lot of folks pretty jaundiced about not only voting but getting involved in change in betwixt elections, especially in the age of accepted governmental mendacity.
A lotta people figure: “What fucking difference does it make if the fix is in anyway?”
Can anyone say they have faith in the integrity of the vote collection and countiing in 2006?
I can’t.
p.s. Bingo in Kerry vs. Gore, looseheadprop @ 35. Exactly. Ex-fucking-actly.
Fool me once …
Goddammit, just give us #2 pencils and turn us loose on that ballot!
WHY NOT?
Robert Kennedy Jr. and Al Gore spoke at the Sierra Club biggie last fall. It was hard for me to decide which I liked best so I finally decided it was a draw. It has been a long time (definitely since 2000 but probably far before that) since I have been impressed by anyone, period, but these two men have succeeded.
Gore 2008!
Draft Al Gore for President!
I saw a post today on Raw Story (I think) quoting a poll saying that Gore in ‘08 would win in a landslide if he were the Dem nominee-Hillary not so much, though. The link isn’t there anymore so maybe it was just my ‘magination.
RFK, Jr.
My family ALL voted for your Uncle JFK. And your Father Robert, would have been elected president if not for his untimely death. Who knows what might have been if “the brothers” had lived. John and Bobby. I still miss you guys. “Abraham, Martin, Rabin, Sadat, Bobby and John”. And Rachel Corrie. My heroes. Sometimes I get sentimental and corny.
Regarding RFK Jr’s. observations in this post: nice to know I wasted my time voting in 2000 and 2004. The stinking fix was in. It makes me want to rage! And where’s the justice? And perhaps more importantly, what about the assurance that future elections will not be rigged?
stealing elections with paper ballots is a highly-developed skill-set. that’s why those clunky mechanical devices were instituted. they did cut down fraud…
Election Fraud Blame Game:
1) Republicans, for doing it.
2) The entire MSM (Olberman excepted) for not only ignoring the issue, but laughing at it.
3) The Democrats (with the exception of Conyers)for rolling over on their collective backs and saying, “Help yourself, soft spot’s right there in the middle.”
Keith Olbermann will be on at 8pm – I wonder what he’ll have to say about the RFK,Jr article …
mc 64..no, you did not dream it..it was there.
Gore 2008
Re: Gore v. Hillary:
Gore would unite the Democrats.
Hillary would unite the Republicans.
End of story!
Is CNN reporting this story?
Well, who cares? Because the new Batwoman is a Lesbian!
“New Batwoman is a lesbian
Editor: ‘We decided to give her a different point of view’”
No link. I just can’t take this shit anymore!!!!
How about, “President Gore ‘08″? :)
Sorry mc . . . but your wording has me ROFLMAO!
Chertoff on the NewsHour spinning how the disorganized pork that is the DHS really, really makes sense. He talks about running a program that is not a hostage to political fortune.
Sorry, had to stop for a while due to gagging. He’s talking very fast, always a good sign that he’s lying.
Blub,
At the time, the election could have been set aside (at least state elctions can be. I need to double check on federal) and a new election held e few weeks later by court order.
it’s rare, but it happens. it happened in NY after Spetember 11th. That was primary day here and the vote was interupted. So, the vote was set aside and the primary day was rescheduled.
There is some sort of similar provision in Federal Election Law. IIRC there were rumors shortly before the 2004 election that Bush had asked for memos about what happens if you have to abort the voting on election day. I beleive the same section of the fed election law deals with revote if a election’s results are corrupted (I used the word in the “data is corrupted” not criminal corruption sense of the word)to a certain point of unreliabilty.
There is ceratinly common law and state stautory law along those lines.
At this late date, I think the only thing left would be impeachment and then trial for treason. I cannot imagine anything that would fit the definition of treason more aptly than the deliberate coordinated nationwide sabotage of an election.
But I don’t think you are going to find this mythical iron clad, open and shut case, evidence.
I used to investigate and prosecute public corruption and fraud aginst the governent cases (hence all the fun days with the mafia)
Cases like that do not ever come as windfalls. they are built. Painstakingly one tiny piece of the puzzle at a time. And they are best built PROACTIVELY. B/C no one wants to believe you, you have to get there before the bad guy and catch him red handed in the act.
that’s why what Fitz is doing is so very hard and is taking so long. Cases where the corrupt official or fraudster has had a chance to cover his tracks, are the hardest of them all.
if Catwoman comes out now as a lesbian, when will Batman and Robin travel to Massachusetts for their nuptials?
What’s so appalling to me is that for the level of fraud that occured in ‘04 to succeed required a willingness to lie, cheat and steal at every level of the electoral process. We already know there’s no honor among the upper echelon of the GOP. Is there none even among the rank and file of the Republican party? (That’s a rhetorical question, btw.)
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for president?
Geez, ya finally do Chicago Tom’s issue, he doesn’t call, he doesn’t write…
Oscarsmom (73): Yeah, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
The absurdity of it all-stealing elections, in America?!, Batwoman a lesbian?!-I guess it’s just par for the course in Bushworld.
in politics, truth will out – usually long after it makes any difference. The story of the stolen election in Ohio will dribble out for years. Too many were involved for it to remain concealed forever…
Slightly OT
How hot is that pix of Kennedy? What is he running for? That was not some poloroid pulled out at the last minute. A lot of thought went into that picture.
Upcoming breaking news on Tweety–Major story:
Is Hillary Clinton thinking about running for president?
Crimes against Democracy:
Ballot stuffing, electronic manipulation, voter purging, voter intimidation, voter deception, phone jamming, libel, campaign finance violations….
Anyone convicted of a Crime against Democracy should be banned for life from participating in any capacity in our Democracy.
Convicted New Hampshire phone jammer McGee is out of prison and now conducting workshops on how to screw with Democracy.
John Sununu owes his Senate seat to this criminal.
Sununu should be forced to step down.
Screw with Democracy – lose your position and your vote – for life!
I just read the piece in full. Wow.
How do I feel? Afraid. It makes me think that all the activism is worthless. When it comes down to it, they control the registration and the count and the technology. Ken Blackwell is in charge of the polls for his own election.
If the basic tools of democratic change have been wrested from people, then the only recourse is clear. And it’s spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. That is not a historical document.
Is CNN reporting this story?
Nah. Olbermann will — he’s cited for his reporting on Warren County’s Code-Red lockdown. But Tweety? Sniffing Hillary’s laundry bag. Blitzer? Nah. Loud Obbs? He’s more concerned about those durned brown people.
Here is a couple of other extremely interesting stuff excerpts from the FL State U Review. I find what he says about the lack of conscionable leadership and the decline of civil society to be fascinating.
Very important story – alas, though I can just hear the crickets from the MSM and the Swiftboats docking at RFK, Jr.’s pier.
Batwoman’s a lesbian? Is she blond and is she missing?
Good job shoephone–I will do the same.
A couple of questions and a comment.
First, has there ever been a national election that has been overturned because of voter fraud?
Second, what is the recourse for voter fraud in a national election?
The comments about Kerry not protesting…isn’t this similar to Nixon not protesting the IL results in the JFK election?
Steve
#82: HOT
;)
Oh, but the ends justify the means…or so Mary Matalin and Laura Ingraham…and Laura Bush…will tell themselves when they look in their mirrors. And behind their well-manicured faces is the cold corrupt spirit of Sleeping Beauty’s wretched stepmother. These are among the stepmothers of totalitarianism.
But, really, isn’t the sex life of Bill and Hill much more important? Tweety surely thinks so. And the old media band plays on.
This is only the latest example.
Remember the Butterfly Ballot, and Jews for Buchanan in Palm Beach?
Theresa LaPore was behind that one — in the 1980’s, she worked as a flight attendant on the private plane of Adnan Khashoggi, the Bush Family Arms Merchant during Iran-Contra. The Crime Family that plans ahead, gets ahead.
http://slate.msn.com/?id=1006609
The ballots in Jacksonville, Duval County, were deliberately misleading — some 20,000 of them were spoiled. African Americans for Gore? Not if Jeb Bush had any say in it.
The vote count in Florida? If all the ballots had been counted, including the overvotes with Al Gore written in and checked on the preprinted portion, Al Gore had 40,000 more votes than George Bush. But the Right Wing SCOTUS put a stop to that.
The illegal false felon list purging of the voter roles, first reported by Greg Palast? Bob Fertik of Democrats.com introduced Paul Lukasiak and I, and we were researching the back story in the spring and summer of 2001 — until the 9/11 unpleasantness changed everything.
Paul was working on what happened between 1998 (when the enabling legislation was passed) and the implementation in 2000. I worked on the Texas origins of the conspiracy — it was a Karl Rove scheme, unsuccessfully tried in 1982 for another Texas Governor.
http://www.democrats.com/blueprint
Can we PLEASE impeach him NOW!?!
so how is this NOT an issue for democrats to run on in 2006 ?
ck – interesting. Everyone just thought LaPore was an utterly incompetent local official who happened to be a position for her dumb decision on the butterfly ballots to influence the outcome of a swing county in a swing state in a national election. That is what I thought. I loathed her, of course, but I never suspected conspiracy. Is there further evidence for this?
Tweety: “What is the Clinton partnership all about?” Let’s see where he goes with this.
Here’s a bit more on some of the the registered letter hijinks that went on back then. While the original article has long since been
scrubbedremoved from the Akron Beacon Jounal site, the transcript of the Board of Elections hearing is still at NPR. It’s a crazy read.Additionally, a look through the All Things Considered archive at NPR.org turns up a lot of reports on the state of things around election time in Ohio.
looseheadprop @ . . . oh, all over the place, here and on earlier threads:
After getting the RFKJr. piece, I’ve been out all day and missed all the fun here . . . but I’ve been quickly scanning the posts and comments to catch up. (Since none of it has made the MSM, of course. . . )
I’ve got to say you’ve put up the best “What Would a Patriot Do?” response to the RFKJr. piece, with the year-round 50 state Democratic Lawyers Council (as opposed to that other “dlc”). I’m not a lawyer (but some of my best friends are ;-)), but I’ve done precinct and county work and that’s where the defense against this attack on democracy has to be made.
On election day, there’s lots to do – but that’s effective only in an after-the-fact situation. Before election day, voters need a lot more.
Before election day, voters to be assured that their names have NOT been stricken from the rolls.
Before election day, voters need to be assured of the locations of their polling places.
Before election day, voters need to be assured that there will be sufficient voting equipment available (be they machines, paper, or stone tablets) at every polling place.
Before election day, voters need to be assured that there will be sufficient elections judges from all parties, who will have been sufficiently trained in their work.
Shove this article in front of every local political reporter you know. Just as 9-11 and Katrina sparked a bunch of “could it happen here?” local introspection, we need to work to see that the Ohio election has the same effect on elections around the country.
And if you live in Ohio, God be with you – ’cause you’re gonna need it if Blackwell becomes governor.
I (and many others) have known this since the election. But most Americans don’t. And the media refuses to cover it.
Thank GOD a Kennedy has taken it up — it will be hard to ignore him. But they will try. Will they succeed?
xyz –
google the names, click on the Slate article . . .
I just received my Harvest cd (Neil Young) for making a donation this weekend! Thanks Joe Klein!! Jane and Redd-I sent you some pay-pal for your trip! Enjoy!
What I’d really like to see are the results of a Bush v. Gore poll NOW–Ha ha!
And I’m not so down on Kerry. How exactly do you fight such root and branch corruption, especially when it’s designed to keep people from voting as well as rigging the vote count?
How do you fight it, when you have no executive power of your own, and when the Supreme Court — even J.P. Stevens — has such naive trust in Ken Blackwell’s goons?
The GOP made sure that this wouldn’t end up like Florida 2000. Then, they miscalculated: the voter suppression wasn’t enough. They understood that Americans wanted a quick result in 2004, endorsed by Timmeh and Tweety, and that any attempt to fight in so many places, on so many jurisdictions, would have no public support.
They are bastards, they are criminals. And it’s time to stop taking knives to a gunfight.
Oscarmon: They don’t do polls when the Preznut is in the teens, silly!
One more thing — “they” cannot do this as easily without OUR help. As Peter noted, there are ways to see if you are registered. And it is YOUR responsibility to ensure this. Did you move? Did you GET your new voter guide — or proof that your re-registration got through? And even if you did not move, same question. Your responsibiluty to make sure, even if you have lived in the same house for years. Every single time.
Citizens MUST take responsibility. SHOULD you have to? Of course not. Register and all should be well. But it isn’t.
And above all — SAVE your receipt from voting. Don’t throw it away or lose it.
The reason why the GOP’s dirty tricks work is that Americans, even the few who DO vote, are lazy.
We knew this.
Now it’s got documentation.
Hooray for Kennedy and Rolling Stone for the guts and fortitude to get this finally accounted for.
But, this is TREASON! If the MSM is not rioting on the front pages for prison terms tomorrow morning, then we should take the day off and riot in the streets! This means that Kerry has been President all along and before him, Al Gore. To say ‘we been robbed’ is okay today–but tomorrow comes the hangings. No more rights and refuge for the Wingnuts–this is war. This is the real war. The real war has always been about our freedom and we’ve only fought one–the one when we kicked the British out. We need another here at home, less the guns maybe, to kick the Fascists out once and for all.
I’m really mad and…well, I can’t say it without an FBI visit.
Just stepping back in in a lull of supper-fixing, so forgive me if I’m repeating somebody else’s point –
I’ve found one thing to be glad about here … sort of.
I find myself feeling a bit better about our fellow Americans than I did before the Kennedy article: enough of them to make ‘04 that close really DIDN’T vote for W. They just got ratfucked.
Now they (after this news spreads more) and we can get together and FIX THAT.
awww ccmask at 102 — what a sweetie! Glad you got your CD. Isn’t Howie fab for doing that? :)
Oh for crying out loud.
I just read about Shrub’s plan to promote a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
Please PLEASE can the Dems and the American sheeple not take the bait this time? PLEASE?
They could make such a statement by giving a yes or no answer regarding the amendment and then REFUSING to discuss the matter any further. Call this red herring for what it is! Please! It’s so obvious!!
But, this is TREASON!
‘Treason never prospers: what’s the reason?
If it prosper, none dare call it treason.’
shoephone 52–thanks, got it, please give us an update about what the League of Women Voters decides about voting issues.
lhp 53–re joining the 50 state project, my primary responsibilities are (1) being mom for the remnant of dependent children (2) being president of a charity that has saved 2-3,000 lives in the former Soviet Union (3) work with others to prevent WWIII/nuclear first strike on Iran (4) campaign to preserve what remains of my sanity (good luck there), which I vaguely remember from decades past. But I am happy to give $$, just let me know where.
Did emptywheel’s plame trilogy leave the world speechless? Or did Jason Leopold get tricked into singlehandedly deflating all the enthusiasm of my new favorite hobby? It seems quiet out there, and what used to be my daily fix, seems to lack as much allure as it once had. My obsession dates back to the very beginning of Plamegate, and something has changed…
I hope this feeling is just a quiet before the storm, and not a Rovian mindf**k.
Man oh man if there’s one phrase that sets my teeth on edge it’s “tin foil hat.”
One sure solution to anyone’s “tin foil hat” problem — quit drinking the official story Kool-Aid!
I say treat every event like a crime scene and build to a conclusion from the evidence, not from the conclusions of some “government panel.”
This goes for stolen elections as well as political assassinations and terror attacks.
Re the hottie factor of RFK Jr. He was on the cover of some mag shown kayaking. Major muscles. But it’s the integrity that sets him apart.
OK I’ll go get some ice water.
As I recall Kennedy mentions at the end of his piece that all the election materials will be destroyed in November. That leaves five months for someone to catalogue the whols shmear. Much of the voting was done with paper ballots. Kennedy claims that goopers were covering up actual marks made by voters on those ballots and revoting them “Bush”. That’s pretty easy to find.
Kennedy appears to be inviting someone- anyone- to take this thing up seriously and do a full court press on it.
This would make a great project. Any ideas on how to proceed? There was a media investigation into the Florida mess- that actually provided useful data. Is it possible to provoke a re-do?
This is THE. ONLY. ISSUE.
I can’t believe it’s been almost SIX YEARS since these USURPING CROOKED FUCKS STOLE THE PRESIDENCY, and NOTHING has been done, if anything the fraud mechanisms have only gotten worse and more brazen.
Chimp/Cheney have NEVER BEEN ELECTED and nobody thinks a thing of it, let alone that they are systematically dismantling our constitutional system of government by the hour.
We have allowed these NEVER-ELECTED FUCKS to reshape our Supreme Court and stack our federal courts for at least two generations. We have allowed them to blackmail and neuter the congress, to piss away the military and treasure of this country on aggressive mass murder, with more to come, etc. etc.
And they haven’t even BEGUN to ass-rape this nation like they’d really love to and want to and intend to. That’s to come with Iran and $10/gal gas.
We lost everything with 2k and Florida and Gore acting honorable and expecting them to. Unfortunately their ownership of the media and a little schoolyard “sore loserman/wacko” bullshit sends our candidates running. And who can forget the excruciating Senate moment with Gore presiding and shutting down the CBC protest of 2k. It’s all been a knife at a gunfight, and still is. Knife, hell – a parasol and handshake at a gang rape is more like it.
God I’m pessimistic. Nothing is gonna sink into this nation’s consciousness but absolute destruction. And Cheney’s got that cued up too, and is counting on the airtight propaganda/anger machine to deliver even bigger sheephood.
/depressive rant
Peterr—the thought of Blackwell as Ohio’s governor is just more than I can take.
I’m going to vote absentee ballot at the Board of Elections. That way I’ll know at least they got it.
More campaign fiddling: Fed Elections Committee rules that Frist broke the law in 2000 and then fined him a measely $11,000.
Thank you, Rolling Stone, for the timing on this. The article came out before YearlyKos, not afterwards. Can you imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth if it had appeared after everyone went home?
This way, all y’all who are headed to Vegas will have something to talk about besides “gee, you don’t look like someone with a screenname like . . .”
Have fun, and kick some ass! (And say hi to Froomkin for all the rest of us!)
John Krogman 46,
How do you get to be an Election Judge?
Meanwhile, the BBC reveals new videotape evidence of another alleged US massacre in Iraq.
Yup. Integrity. That’s it! :)
Well time for KO. So long folks! Go see “V for Vendetta” if you haven’t already! That’s an order!
Thank you Jane for posting this. I’m glad to see anyone putting this on their sites. Brad has the whole story,yes for over a year. God Bless everyone that took up this important issue. It doesn’t matter who casts the votes,its who counts them. This is the issue All Americans should get behind.Brad says its not about Right and Left,but right and wrong. This affects us all irregardless of persuasion. Are WE NOT ALL Americans first and foremost? We need to unite and inspire people about this the most important issue of our Democracy! COUNT EVERY VOTE!
Ratfuck is a great term for this. Much of what was done was done before the election. Machine allocations, changes in precincts, changes in the rules for registration- etc. Hope someone is figuring out how to counter that shit this time around.
egregious @ 119
Give your county board of elections a call, and ask them. The rules vary from place to place, but the basic requirements are that you are a registered voter, you are willing to go through however many hours of training are required, and you are willing to give an entire day (from before the polls open until after they close) to be a judge.
In lots of places, election judges are desperately needed. The kicker is giving up the whole day, be it work responsibilities, childcare, or anything else. But if you can do it, the rest of us are DEEPLY in your debt.
Percy at 67: “Election Fraud Blame Game:
1) Republicans, for doing it.
2) The entire MSM (Olberman excepted) for not only ignoring the issue, but laughing at it.
3) The Democrats (with the exception of Conyers)for rolling over on their collective backs and saying, ‘Help yourself, soft spot’s right there in the middle.’ “
I’ll add (4) left-center blogs who nearly unanimously said Oh No They Would Never Do That.
When Markos (Daily Kos) refused not only to front-page the controversy but also refused to comment on his decision to ignore the issue, I began to see Kos and his blog as among Karl Rove’s most stunning political victories of all time.
Whether directly controlling the puppet strings or indirectly through an accurate reading of Markos’ biggest fear – public humiliation at the hands of GOP swiftboaters – Rove successfully controlled the most visible online democratic response to blatant Ohio fraud.
“Losing” in 2004 didn’t hurt nearly as badly as watching alleged democratic opinion leaders hand over the spoils willingly, with smiles on their faces, while telling those they betrayed to “focus on the future” and “get over it”.
Sharkbabe: A fucking men. Your rant makes me feel better.
Much of this info has been published. Including many books, for gosh sakes.
The 8 hour lines in the Democratic areas were on TV! For 5 seconds, anyway.
#121.
A few questions…
Practically, what positions are available at elections for citizen volunteers who want to work to keep the elections fraud free? And how helpful woindividuals) to volunteer? What use would it be for us (if the fraud is wired into the machines or occurs due to police intimidation, impairment of registration, or whatever before people get to the polls) to help out at the pools? In other words, what should we be doing here?
Yeah it’s starting to look as if the massacre of twenty four was not an isolated incident- and that the killers were not just a few bad apples. Apparently it has happened before.
It is a tactic in a guerrila war to make supporting the enemy too painful to continue. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that these punishments for living in an area that supports insurgents are deliberate- like VietNam.
Nice catch Ralphbon, thanks.
Olbermann is leading with it,Ishaqi.
Countdown–retired general blaming Dumsfeld for the Haditha murders
darkblack 17
Channeling Punaise:
‘Forced spread in Ohio’
;>)
tin soul jerks and nix on scamming
Good lord, I hate to be a broken record but,
Byron York is such a tool.
http://corner.nationalreview.c…..QzYzk0YmM=
ccmask 4:38 p.m.
I think you want to thank Howie Klein, not Joe Klein (Joke Line) for your CD.
I received my CD from Howie today, too. I want to thank him for that and also for helping raise money for Ned Lamont.
Leave Lieberman Behind!
Amazingly, or not, that darn liberal media is giving this story NO coverage. Zip, zilch, nada. Jeebus, we’re 22 hours into the story, and you’d think one of the wires could move a paragraph on it, if only for the sake of appearances.
What should RFK, Jr. do to make sure this story gets the coverage it deserves?
Take the poll!
Mark Crispin Miller interview with Buzzflash on the media and voting problems. It’s long.
http://www.workingforchange.co…..emID=20351
4:55 p.m.
What Sharkbabe said. Yeah!
Marines to face charges in Iraqi’s death
SAN DIEGO – Military prosecutors plan to file murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges against seven Marines and a Navy corpsman in the shooting death of an Iraqi civilian in April, a defense lawyer said Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..raqi_death
oh wow. what an amazing event. and terrific discussion! so much to cover….
first, valleygirl, i am a HUGE fan of brad friedman’s, but hey, he’s been at this for years now, and the most msm coverage went through keith, and then only for a few weeks. you should be grateful that this is happening this way; brad is out of his mind excited that rfkjr is doing this. and hey, brad got the up front scoop on it. no need for rabid fans here, just get on board and do the work.
as for those of you who have issues with kerry’s handling of the result, i’m with oscar’s mom and darkblack; this rovian repug machinery is not just an octopus, it’s the giant squid from 20,000 leagues under the sea! there was a huge network of attorneys on the ground covering the polls in each iffy state on election day, and when the numbers came down, everyone knew it was fishy, but you cannot go out there without PROOF. and NO ONE knows that better than kerry, a former prosecutor (think fitz, for chrissake). and think bcci; kerry knows full well how far these criminals will go.
now, what to do about this? i’m with thesaurus rex; paper is the only way to go. the more machinery you have involved, the less transparent the outcome. i too vote with paper that goes through a scanner, and despite the fact that i trust my community, etc., i always wonder what really happens. don’t get too hung up with the noise about the actual voting machines without also recognizing the dangers of the central processors that consolidate the results from all the machines, no matter what they are, scanners or hi tech computers.
in most countries, votes are counted by hand. this is not an impossible thing to do. precincts are typically bounded by some size criterion, easier in rural areas than cities, granted, but not out of the realm of doable. the ballots are counted by at least one rep from each party on the ballot, and each of these individuals signs off on a sealed envelope.
that number is precious. each precinct can submit their number to a national database, in addition to a regional or state machine that compiles these totals. but if the numbers are posted, each and every citizen of the us can enter them into our calculators – just add them up! – and voila!! there should thereafter be no question.
again, paper is the only way. HANDS ON VOTING!!!
al gore? HELL, YEAH!!!
check this out:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0601.html
this is not a poll, but a projective measure that has a pretty hi hit rate. gore would win in a landslide!
so, if you’re interested, go here:
http://www.draftgore2008.org/node/143
except you’ll have to wait till tomorrow because c&l visitors crashed the new site!
and squirrel hiller, may i humbly offer that we cannot expect our leaders to play nasty like the “renegade band of rightwing extremists” (as gore called them this week; true enough for ya?). we want a leader who will be circumspect and thoughtful in his pronouncments on the actions of others, no matter how horrible those actions might have been. if gore starts bad-mouthing individuals, he’ll be instantly vilified in the rightwing press, and that will be that (a huge reason kerry was so hamstrung; damned if you do and damned if you don’t).
besides, w is smart in certain ways; smart like a snake. a really mean, nasty, evil snake, but no need to add those terms to the mix. we must always always ALWAYS keep to the high road, else what will we have won, if we do?
finally, thank you SO much decascadian for the link to the sfu paper.
on that note, another thing we can be doing in addition to demanding paper, actively participating in the election process, and hounding the bejeebus out of the media on these issues, is to connect rfk’s piece with the florida 2000 truth, which was supported by the media consortium as well as the sfu piece.
truth is, this nightmare we’re enduring in this country since january ‘01, has been perpetrated by a wholly illegitimate administration from BOTH elections.
not only was gore elected, but so was kerry (again, say what you will about him, but he ran an honorable and decent campaign and won). a gore/kerry ticket, anyone?
and that means that democrats have won the popular election of president for the past four elections straight. when we compare the first eight of those years with the last, well….is there any real comparison?
Friends, I do believe it’s an Alice’s Restaurant moment.
For those of us who don’t know (or don’t remember, for whatever reason), in this 1960s classic song Arlo Guthrie tells about his decidedly weird visit to his draft board, and suggests that if others want out of the draft, they should just go in to their draft board, sing a couple bars of “Alice’s Restaurant,” and walk out. “If one person does it,” says Arlo, “they’ll think you’re crazy and they won’t take you. If two people do it, they’ll think you’re both faggots, and they won’t take either of you. But if three people do it . . . they’ll think it’s a movement. And that’s what it is . . .”
Friends, it’s time to sing. And the best part is, you get to chose which part to sing.
Looseheadprop’s already talked about getting lawyers involved, but there’s plenty of things for others to do – you just have to look at yourself and be creative.
Any high school journalism teachers around here? What about assigning your students to observe the poll workers, and watch the ballot process? Go in to the county election offices, tell them you want the students to be able to write about the process, and see what hoops you need to go through so that they don’t get hassled.
Organize a network of polling place watchers, and connect with a local reporter or three to pass along any accounts of “questionable” activities. Reporters drool at the thought of having an army of people to pass tips along to them!
That’s just two ideas, off the top of my head. Others with other ideas, toss them out.
Why we may not be hearaing from the kewl kids on this anytime soon –
We Must Take America Back
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
The problem is most Americans don’t know about it, they don’t see the connection and the reason for that is because we have a negligent and indolent media and press in this country which has absolutely let down American democracy [applause]. All this right wing propaganda which is planned and organized and dominated this country, the political debate for so many years talking about a liberal media. Well, you know and I know there is no such thing as a liberal media in the United States of America.
entire speech
The “few bad apples” meme is designed to provide cover for leadership. Haditha is a symptom of a broken system.
This RS article is painful. Before the election, there was all that talk about people going to Ohio and Florida to be observers and make sure this wouldn’t happen. That worked out well.
new thread – new giggles
Shortly after the 2000 election I read an account in the local paper about how Republican thugs came into our heavily Democratic ward a half hour before quitting time to intimidate voters and officials. I was so enraged I just about had an aneurism and determined to do something about it.
In 2004 my union attached me to ACT on election day and they sent me to a student ward on the University of Wisconsin campus, told me not to rush, students being late risers and all. Well, 200 young people got there first thing in the morning before I did, long snaking line. There were ten or more of us Democratic “vote protectors”.
It was a problem too, because people were waiting over an hour to vote. We consulted the officials and recommended breaking the list into two, A-M and N-Z, that being a bottleneck. No problem they said, and that speeded things up considerably. We walked the line and told everybody what we were doing, to hang in there.
And hang in they did — 80% for Kerry. Seemingly little things can be critically important in having everyone vote who wants to, and I encourage everyone to consider being election officials or Democratic observers / vote protectors.
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fyi new thread
Like Stalin said — it doesn’t matter who people vote for, but who counts the votes.
The Modern GOP — Stalinist Bolsheviks, through and through . . .
I understand Karl Rove has suggested the honor system for future elections.
You may be right rw. These, however, strike me as unplanned “spree killings,” because women and children are involved.
Sara over at tnh had a great post, “Sorting out the Generals.”
General George C. Marshall, “pressured Pershing to do what became the “Hunt Report” — the history of American Military Occupation 1775 -1922.”
Marshall’s insight, followed after VE and VJ days in WWII, was that no forces responsible for “occupation” were “blooded.” They hadn’t take any casualties during the War.
Rumsfeld, Bush, Rove… are forgetting what Marshall knew back in 1922 from the Hunt Report. You don’t ask units that have taken casualties to “occupy.”
Up until this point the WH’s fall back position has been, “it’s still an improvement over Saddam.” I’m waiting for someone on Capital Hill to call them on that. I’m not sure that’s a winning talking point for Dems, but it appears very accurate.
Civil war in Iraq is not the “floor.” Civil war in the region, a drop in oil exports, and as a consequence, a world-wide depression is. Whether that happens or not is largely beyond our control.
We Must Take America Back
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
RFK’s entire speech is here – don’t know why
link didn’t work previously
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/091705Z.shtml
I was a poll watcher in East Las Vegas on election day 2004: because we Dems were so disorganized, several of us wound up at one polling place. That polling place had three voting machines — an eyeball sample of the voters was that they were a mix of whites and minorities. There was almost always a line which went out the school auditorium and into the parking lot.
After a couple of hours there, we got a call that there was a polling place about a block away that had no poll watchers, so I went over there. The racial mix was slanted toward white and older. There were eight voting machines there and little waiting (some for people coming in after work).
Marked difference between the reception we received at the two places — they were happy to see us at the first one, decidedly unhappy at the second.
Coincidence? Statistically insignificant anecdote? Maybe, but like the man says, add up enough anecdotes and you’ve got statistics.
By the bye, Clark County (Las Vegas) went for Kerry, but not enough to overcome the rest of the state, so Dear Leader got Nevada’s five electoral votes.
Finally, the Repub poll watchers were very well organized. Where can we get some of that?
fbg46 in #152 says: Finally, the Repub poll watchers were very well organized. Where can we get some of that?
That’s one of the things we should see from Governor Dean’s 50-state project: state parties with the resources to organize locally, and to help county and city organizations coordinate their efforts.
First they pollute the election process with corporate funding and financing of candidates making it all but impossible for John or Jane Q Citizen to run for national or statewide office. Campaign finance is very corrupt and non democratic.
Then we have the multifaceted election fraud strategies which have been identified for that past 5 years and now with the RFKjr article in rolling stone it may get some MSM attention.. but unlikely. No democracy in elections.
The you have the perversion of the 4th estate. The MSM have been bought and owned by corporate america and support its agenda at every turn. Were it not for the blogs and some minor publications we would be in darkness worse than the middle ages as far as being informed about government’s behavior. Perversion of the truth at every turn.
Next you have the pay for play lobby system which only the big boy corporate players get to write legislation and make the laws safe for all they care to do in pursuit of profits including spoiling the environment… destroying the labor movement, safety in the workplace, and pork barrel spending which is unbelievable if it weren’t true.
These theives have taken our votes and tossed them out, taken our rights and trampled them, logging our calls and keeping dosiers on everyone of us, and taken the lives of those who naively believed they were “fighting for America”.. but instead were dying for corporate american profits.
What do we have left of our democracy? That we can post to a blog.. and chat with a neighbor on the street?
Houston… we got a problem.
My mom got her overseas ballot a couple of weeks too late in 2004. And there is no way she would have voted for Bush!
As someone who has followed the issue closely primarily via blackboxvoting.org and bradblog.com since late 2004 — Robert Kennedy, Jr. has hit it out of the park with this article. The composition is absolutely top notch, and as a result we get a view of the lay of the land that is very revealing and pretty darn breathtaking (in a negative sense).
This sort of solid, fact-based narrative, which successfully pulls together all the many, many different threads that have been investigated by citizens since the election, is extremely valuable. It helps us to see the big picture and provides leads for others to follow [the failed and failing vote-counting machinery and software needs its own similar summary article focusing on that subject alone, as it is such a complex and complicated topic - and obviously way over the heads of our Members of Congress].
I am so grateful to Robert Kennedy, Jr. for tackling this vital subject, and for doing it so very, very well. And thank you for quickly highlighting it here, Jane.
Congress and the media no longer have any excuse for ignoring the evidence that is now clearly laid out right in front of them, thanks to the efforts of so many Americans – except, that is, for those charged with the responsibility of finding and revealing such evidence who hold public office in our Congress and are in the employ of the “free” press [Rep. John Conyers being a stellar exception]. Get to work, Legislative Branch and Fourth Estate.
Is it my imagination or is tweety staking his ‘credibility’ on ‘accurately forecasting’ a Hillary run so as to claim credit when she announces that she will be much more effective working with a senate majority in support of a Democratic president? It’s the loser version of the ‘can’t lose proposition’. “Chris, Hold the finger ‘L’ to your forehead.” Knew you could.
Thots to share from OH:
I sent an e-mail to my local Democratic committee contact, urging her & others to be aware of, & try to make some use of the Kennedy article in Rolling Stone. (seems like they often take the “all politics is local” mantra to an excruciating degree, sigh)
Also have pointed them, and others, to “How Would a Patriot Act,” in case they weren’t already aware.
I picked up a copy of Greenwald’s wonderful tome for myself at a local Barnes & Noble last night — initially clueless clerk had to go to her computer, then into the back to see if she could find one of their [first] “3 copies” they had just received that day. (I had let her know I’d wait as long as it took, and would buy it if she found it.) As she handed me my copy after a 10-min. search, I told her about the grassroots-funded distribution of the book to every Dem. member of Congress, & I figured, if it was that important, I just HAD to have one for myself. By then, she was muttering, “Way cool!” at this 60-something lady who, just maybe, wasn’t so crazy after all, & she lookd as if she was making plans to check it out herself. HA!
Egregious lll. Your third point: Barbara Boxer is the only Dem senator I call recall who protested the ‘04 election results.
Sorry for the typo: the only Dem senator I CAN recall.
Bob Kenndy has a terrific show on AAR on the weekends… Ring of Fire. I love that guy!
Gore has shown more fire since 2000 than during the campaign. He was awesome in his speech on executive powers & a few other times I have seen him..on cspan, of course.
I live in a rural area, vote in our little township. I called my rep about voting machines & he didn’t seem to think that would happen..townships can’t afford it. They are something like $2500. I”m going to do some checking with people who are clerks in other townships in my area of which there are many in just a 60 sq mile area. I probably know someone on every township board around. Considering our secretary of state in the 2004 election was busy trying to get posters up in polling places warning of suspicious looking people & crap like that, you can’t take things for granted. I remember that in Duluth, MN there was some republican goons “monitoring” the polling places. Stuff like that unheard of before here. One can only imagine that will only intensify in 2006 & 2008. We do live in strange days..never thought I would ever see these things happen in this country.
Here’s what I want to know. How in the world do we keep the Republican party from stealing elections in the future? From Kennedy’s story, it appears that’s exactly what happened in 2004, as it did in 2000. How do we stop this in 2006? In 2008?
Tucker Carlsen MSNBC said Robert Kennedy Jr will be on his show tonight. On at 11 p.m.
So if a number of laws were broken, apparently including conspiracy, how do we get a Fitz to go after these crooks?
p.s. hearing these horror stories again about waiting in lines makes me give thanks again for Oregon’s vote by mail system. I sort of miss the community event feeling at the polling place, but overall I love the system. And there’s still plenty of community feeling to be had.
Thanks to RFK, FDL, and Rolling Stone.
I will never forgive John Kerry for not contesting–even for one day–the vote count in Ohio. All we heard for months before the election was how tough the Democrats were going to be this time: poll monitors, cadres of lawyers, you name it. Nothing was going to be left to chance. And it all went out the window, immediately and inexplicably, the minute the sun came up. And now the sonofabitch wants to defend his reputation against the Swiftboaters! Gimme a freakin’ break.
And when’s the last time we heard anything from any Democrat about the Conyers report? Do we have to slap these people across the face with a goddam fish to get their attention? It pisses me off just to think about these professional election losers and what they’ve left us with.
11 pm est Kennedy Jr. on MSNBC
Bert (167) — thanks, I just flipped to it, will choke out a wait through that bow-tied moron until JFK Jr. comes on.
BTW, Rep. King (R-NY) not at ALL happy about the DHS monies going elsewhere.
FLORIDA
LaPore’s butterfly ballot – outsourced – designed by ? she selected the winner! Paper ballots printed by select few firms – similar to the printing of Bonds. Who owns the firms ? Look it up ! The Florida Ballots came from company ultimately controlled by a fiem from Colorado – owned by Ahmanson – look it up. Biggest Republican supporter of Amercian Taliban Theocracy on the planet.
Yes. Pete is a bulldog! Get’s ‘em right by the scruff or whatever!
Hey, I checked your links and I don’t see that this issue is being covered. I think this is the MOST important issue in changing the direction of our country. I read the liberal blogs all the * time and don’t see it covered. I read black box voting and that started to seem not credible. So I don’t understand why the more credible blogs aren’t covering it.
Sadly this is old news……
We Must have Election Reform.
Oversight.
Etc.
Rayne (168)
Whew! Carlsen is hard to take! Robert had a hard time to get in a word. I think he did a good job though! Early a.m. tomorrow.
Good PR for Robert and the Rolling Stone’s coverage of the stolen election(s).
I know I’m EPU’d here, but…if you are still reading…
A number of folks here are saying paper ballots: well ok, and we have an old-fashion problem with the compiling and reporting of the results. The machines to do this are already compromised and the state purchase contracts already set to the compromised companies. Sigh.
The fear I have is that it is now clear, after two stolen elections, that the media–all of it–will do nothing, report nothing, and that any claims of theft will be addressed as bad sports and perhaps crazy/criminal—-and it will stick. What’s to prevent wholesale election control with no reporting beyond our “fringe” movement out here?
The hope I have is that we are rising—and GW & the GOP are sinking—way too soon to have the election control plan fully implemented, so local districts can be centrally controlled. Meaning: midterm can go Democratic, the swine can be impeached and prosecuted, and we can save the Republic by the nick of time.
Let us pray.
Yeah, so Tucker had Bobby on and did as expected: argued with him for three minutes by saying “I don’t believe you”, “What’s your evidence”, and “Why didn’t Kerry put up a fight?” and without giving Bobby a chance to give a decent answer to any of the above, Carlson blew him off at the end. Poor Bobby could hardly get a word in edgewise, while Tucker did his best to make his whole argument look foolish and a product of the aluminum fedora club.
It was a fat waste of time and it showed what a snotty little poser Tucker Carlson is. He calls himself a journalist (or at least his network does) but he wouldn’t shut his pie hole for five seconds to listen to his guest because he obviously already had his little mind made up. And now he can go home and be all proud of how fair and balanced he is ’cause he had a real librul on.
I don’t know how you feel about the whole Kennedy thing, but you get Bobby Junior on your show and you show him some fucking respect, okay?
re #45 and #52 – its not paper ballots per se but the integrity of the counting process that’s important though paper ballots do leave a more prominent trail. But who can guarantee that these records will not be stuffed? Also, what is so difficult about manually counting counting paper ballots, not an uncommon practice in many sophisticated democracies, where each batch of ballot papers is counted, verified, signed off and subtotals entered into a central register – all done under the scrutiny of public observers and volunteer poll watchers.
re #90 – in most countries, the usual recourse is to demand a recount. Most of these countries, however, have totally independent election commissions responsible for updating the electoral register as well as organising voting booths and vote counts. In the US we have 13,000 administrative districts who seem to think each of them is a unique entity and any whiff of national coordination, butterfly ballots and aborted chads notwitstanding, is shot down as unconstitutional Federal overreach, usually on partisan grounds. Such doctrinaire dogmas re governance structures and the role of government itself degrade the process of democracy. If a request for a recount is denied which is within the power of 13,000 bureaucracies, then the next step is the judiciary and we all know what happened in 2000 in Florida.
The Kennedy evidence–which, like others, I already knew in advance because of Brad Blog et al–reminded me once again why I am now a FORMER journalist. I left the MSM in disgust 12 years ago and I am even more disgusted now. Meanwhile, the MSM hoard perpetuates the electoral scam by predictably keeping their contrived “objective” distance from the story—as if it isn’t their government, too, that is being stolen from them! Long live the internet–our only hope. (And most journalists are too detached from reality to understand and appreciate that phenomenon for what it is.)
Well, based on what I’m seeing tonight, the blogosphere has looked at the Kennedy article and decided to issue a great big collective yawn.
AmericaBlog, Kos, Eschaton, Talk Left, Think Progress, The Next Hurrah, Unclaimed Territory, Billmon, Attytood, MyDD — all apparently felt this story didn’t even deserve a link. To say I’m disappointed in this collective reaction would be an understatement. If we’re down to depending on Tucker Carlson and the MSM Swampers to get the story out, I guess we’ve already lost. Sigh.
Nevertheless, thank you Jane for linking to what I believe it is an extremely important piece of work. And nice work RFK Jr, nice work Rolling Stone, & nice work BradBlog.
http://johnconyers.com/index.a…..C&SEC={BD0FBB2E-BAE6-4A15-9517-E9E135D8F0C7}
Rep. John Conyers never let up on the issue of the Ohio election anomalies. Check out the above link for a list of articles at his website on the topic and actions taken.
IIRC, John Kerry had more than one lawyer in Ohio investigating these election anomalies.
I’m surprised no one mentioned this yet. I think it is unfair to assume that Kerry did nothing. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he and his lawyers must have had good reasons not to challenge the election publicly. They may even have stated a reason that I cannot now remember. Anyone else remember?
Indeed, we who were concerned early on about these Ohio election anomalies were dismissed regularly by those who wanted to believe we still had a pristine election system. It wouldn’t have been easy in 2004 given the political climate back then to challenge the elction either in court or in the court of public opinion.
Thanks, guys, for the nice words.
Thanks, Jane, for featuring RFK Jr’s piece.
And what to do about it? Make so much fucking noise you drown everything else out. Especially when posting over at Kos.
It’s only democracy at stake after all. No biggie.
One more time, everybody. Think back to your junior high civics class. What do you call a form of government where (1) elections are a sham or nonexistant, (2) one party controls the media, and robust discussion is squelched, dissent squashed, (3) the same one party controls all branches of government, headed by an absolutist leader, (4) citizens have no voice in public policy, and (5) the system is rigged to keep this one party in power permanently? You call it COMMUNISM. These people aren’t fascists, they’re communists, and America is not moving toward communism but is now in fact a functional communist form of government. Don’t be afraid of the C word! Say it loud, say it proud, with long claws and huge, sharp teeth: “these people are communists.” Everyone who voted republican in the last two national elections wanted a repressive, totalitarian regime. They knew what they were doing, and you know it’s true. Using the proper language matters, for the sake of awakening slumbering Americans who are still not convinced it means something to them. If you don’t know what to do that makes a difference, you can do this. Shout it from the rooftops.
Kerry lost more than the election in 2004. He lost my respect for not challanging the results in light of the descrepancys, and statistical ambiguities revealed in the Ohio returns..Florida 2000 election, was not a “lessons learned” for Kerry. Making no waves appears to be a hall mark of Kerry, like the vote to support Bush in going to war with Iraq. Kennedy’s article damages Kerry, and am glad that attention is being given to the Ohio election returns with more vigor. Kerry, not wanting to be a “spoil sport” revealed that lack of “fire in the belly” in wanting to become president. By making a challange, he could have foscused the MSM to look into the matter more closely.
The machines we will use in Ohio in 2006 scares me, and knowing a little about computers, I have little confidence in the legitmacy of any election that uses software programed machines…Lets go to paper and pencil.
I say, go out and buy this publication. Rolling Stone is still a worthy publciation. If not for this article alone, for the many other enlightening pieces (Nick Lachey aside).
Clear it off the shelves.
Make it known to all media outlets that shining a light on the truth instead of squelching it will sell, sell, sell.
Maybe then the MSM will get off their asses and give a shit about our nation.
For those of you who read Daily Kos, it will be interesting to seehis take on this subject. When discussion was stopped on the ‘04 voter theft, I thought time to move on. Then it was stopped when Paul Hackett lost his race. I made the comment(which I think I read on Bradblog) Heard you took Diebold money. I was banned for life. If you don’t believe me, try it. See what happens.
And to Egregious et al:
The “50 State Project” is the brainchild of Gov. Dean in his role as DNC chairman. The reason Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emanuel are so PO’s at Dean is that Dean took all the money he raised for the DNC and used to hire organizers and GOV people in all 50 states.
This contrasts with the prior DNC’s chair’s “swing sate project” and with the DSCC and DCCC’s targeted race approach.
As part of the 50 state project Dean has resurected an old arem of the DNC called the Democratic Lawyers Council. My knowledge of the history here is not good, but I think the last time the DLC was a major force in national politcs, there was a Kennedy in the WH. (i see a little irony to be discussing that on this thread)
Any way, the DLC is trying to set up premptive coordinated election monitoring anf voter protection operations in all 50 states. Right now we have a whopping 2, count em’, 2 chapters. NYS and Wash., DC.
ALthough it is a lawyers groups and we are going to need poll watchers. Lots and lots of poll watchers.
the requirements for poll watching vary from state to state, so i can’t tell you the right way to go about in you state, nBut I know who can.
Call a local democratic candidate (reasonaly high office like Congress or governor) and tell them you would like to volunteer to be a poll watcher. When you get hooked up with the volunteer coordinator for the campaign, ask if they are doing any preemptive election protection such as pre inspection of machines, voter role inspections, etc.
Alternatively, call you county chairperson. This is a crapshoot b/c some county chairs are clueless about this. (Don’t tell them I said that). If none of that works. post your non-spammable email and I will check the threads and make sure someone contacts you and hooks you up.
In a few weeks the NYDLC will have a website up and I will make sure I post it when it is ready. It’s up in beta, but not open for business yet.
This is a huge undertaking. You build an election fraud case,not one brick at a time, one friggin toothpick at a time.
OK, I’ve just found a dairy post on the Rolling Stone piece up at Kos from yesterday… though not by Kos personally:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/1/16280/60548
I’m just starting to go through the numerous comments now.
God Bless RFK, Jr. He’s doing great, important work.
Do you think it’s ok that when I saw that picture I swooned? What a looker!
This is encouraging. While Markos does not appear interested in the Rolling Stone story, a ton of his readers clearly are. Check out the very lengthy comments section at:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/1/16280/60548
fwiw, tucker carlson interviewed RFK last night.
Of course they can negate your vote. What they can’t negate is your capital flight. It won’t stop because the richest and best-connected banana Republicans are taking advantage of it too. Geronimo!.
I just read the complete article and my blood is boiling. Why isn’t the entire Ohio GOP in prison???????
And what in holy hell does it take for probable cause to start an investigation with supoena (sp?) power?????
More evidence progressives have to beat the DLC and repubs. Chris Bowers at MYdd and of course cross posted on Kos is spouting the new DLC talking points. Blame the victim, I mean voter. Telling the homeless veteran ,”Pull yourselves up by the bootstraps.” It seems Chris ran for office and personally watched the votes being counted. No need for MSM to do it’s job.See. No problem ..move along..trust us. That is a lame response to RFK jr.’s courage and brilliance. I think we’ve turned the corner. Some peole know they will have to earn their vote. Bye bye Hillary.
Take a look at this article in Mother Jones for another view of the Ohio election:’
http://www.motherjones.com/art…..hio-3.html
I’m not sure how to take RFK, Jr. seriously when he quotes Christopher Dodd as saying any American waited in line 12 hours to vote. 12 hours?! With our crummy turnouts? Bull.
John Pearley Huffman:
Bull? How so? I’m not sure I understand your problem with the Dodd quote. I was easily able to find confirming sources. For example, from
http://info.interactivist.net/…..amp;tid=10
So I have no problem with the Dodd quote and I take this issue more seriously today than perhaps I ever have.
molly,
The Chris Bower piece over at Kos today really blew me away. RFKjr presents (IMO) a preponderance of evidence that serious crimes has been committed, that a US presidential election has been rigged and the best Chris can do is make allusions to nutjobs and conspiracy theories and deride the people who have been working on this by calling them lazy? It seems to me that Brad Friedman has been anything BUT lazy.
You’re right… it’s the lamest response yet to the Rolling Stone piece. I hope you’re right about turning the corner.
Ed N Sted,
I’m suspicious of the Kenyon example simply because of the math…
In order for a line to be 10 to 12 hours long (in the rain!) there has to be a lot of people in it. If a polling station has, say, five booths and each voter takes (a generously long) three minutes to vote, that’s five voters every three minutes. For a line to stretch 12 hours long there would have to be at least 1200 voters in that line (meaning the all arrived at essentially the same time) and they’d all have to stay in line until their chance to vote came.
Considering that most polling stations have more than five booths and it usually takes far less than three minutes to vote, I find the Gambier claim of a 12-hour line highly unlikely (if it took two minutes to vote and there were 10 booths the line would have to streatch out at least 3600 voters long). It may have taken some time to vote there… but 12 hours? No way. I’ll chalk Matthew Segal’s un-audited and unprofessional assessment of the time to vote up to adolescent hyperbole.
That’s not to diminish that voting ought to be convenient and not time consuming, only that the 12 hour claim is outlandish. Of course the issue is serious, but I’m not buying anecdotes as evidence.
It’s not E=mc2 but … would be how #197 was implemented.
Re: #197 The comment was on:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002900.htm
John PH – you aren’t factoring in the possibility of items like machine malfunctions without replacements, lack of personnel to handle confirmations, excessively slow identifications checking, delays due to polling personnel arrivals or non-arrival, etc.
Lots of things go into how a polling place operates other than the ideal of plenty of people, plenty of machines, no shenanigans, etc. The whole point of the concerns and challenges is that it was not a matter of just showing up and voting and being in and out in three minutes.
If Kennedy can pursue this issue with the relentless drive his father showed in pursuing mobsters, and bring charges (racketeering? conspiracy?) resulting in the conviction of many of the key and lower level players, so cleaning up voting and making fraud a dangerous thing to do before or during an election ….
…. then he would deserve to run for President.
Everyone needs to request an absentee ballot (I know, they can toss those too, but anyone have a better idea?)!!! I am very glad that Kennedy wrote the article, but it reminded me that I cried for four days after they stole this election too.
I’ve been searching the MSM for a reference to Kennedy’s article, but I’ve found nothing. I think we might have to bombard the media again, as we did with the Downing Street Memo. It worked then and it will work now. That campaign was run by bloggers. So what are we waiting for?
Glad to see someone is blogging about this! I’ve been posting all day over at my blog.
http://www.ElectricMonkeyPants.com
The media seems curiously quiet on this one. I wonder if it has anything do with the fact that they are complicit in the coverup…
I’ll be EPU’d, but – have to comment. I knew the election was stolen (2004) while it was happening. The long lines in Ohio, standing there till 3 in the morning, young people, low income neighborhoods, and they were waiting to vote for Bush?
And what was startling: Bush on TV at about 6 PM eastern, with the startled deer trembley lip look. He knew he was losing. Then, two hours later, at 8 PM, they show him back at the White House, relaxed and confident and joking. It was reported then that Karl Rove came down and told the President that he had the election. This was when polls were still going strongly against him. Karl decided it was time to put in the fix.
I was so heartsick and angry afterwards, but my anger turned to RAGE that no media, other than Keith Olberman, bothered to give it any coverage, other than some tin foil hat remark. I haven’t read a newspaper or watched network news since
This is one the biggest threats to our democracy, and we are going to all have to roll up our sleeves and work our butts off, locally, or whereever needed to shine bright lights on these Slimy Ratfucks.
EPU’d and I don’t care. OK I read the article. It’s totally depressing. Why aren’t Blackwell and both the Noes and their buddies all in jail yet? Charges or not. And that creature Katherine Harris is still running amuck sidling up to the cameras for Sean Hannity. G-d it’s depressing. One question: Is it all done for the cocktail weenies?