Fitz awaiting r us

I am unsullied

Please Fitz-
The good news is that there are only approx. 965 days remaining of the cabal in office, the bad news is that there are 965 days remaining

The Old Leader was tired, confused, better yet, assassinated by the Enemy; anything to make way for the fresh New Leader.

unsullied? you mean you don’t read Lil Roy, the gay bearded blogger now of Time Magazine?

“Bush killed his own doctrine,”

I’d rather he kill his own doctrine than more of our troops or innocent civilians…

Kate O’Beirne referred to the GOP as “them”, funny, I’ve often referred to her as “it”.

There are still some desperate justification’s for the Iraq War to come, such as this future, NY Times Headline

morning ilson good java today?

no earthquakes here !

You mean someone actually heard what Ole’ 60 grit was saying?

The only thing I heard from my politically unconnected wife was “Who is that? Is she Republican? It looks like she has had her face pulled too tight, too many times.

I could only laugh and laugh. She hit the nail right on the head.

I explained to my wife the Prom Date theory of feminism.

She agrees….Ole 60 Grit is an appropriate name for her.

FitzRootz!

The A.E.I. Coup of 2000-2008 is in danger. Who is surprised that they’re repositioning for next time [with Newt?]?

Neoconservatives eat their young…

ilson,
have always enjoyed your comments
wish I could say the same about my own

Peter Beinart has an excellent essay in Time this week, which discusses containment v. pre-emption, which I found very thought-provoking.
From the essay (at www.time.com):

Critics attacked containment as passive. But its architects did not propose that America sit back and await victory. They said America could be patient if it strengthened its democratic allies so their desperation did not push them into the arms of the communists. From that came the Marshall Plan. They said America could be patient if it nurtured alliances based on consent, because such alliances would outlast the Soviet bloc, which was held together by brute force. Thus, NATO. And they said America could be patient abroad if it democratically solved problems at home, something the Soviet Union could not do. After the Soviets launched Sputnik, John F. Kennedy said America’s cold war struggle depended on American kids learning science. “Every … measure … to improve self-confidence, discipline, moral and community spirit,” wrote George Kennan, Truman’s head of policy planning, “is a diplomatic victory over Moscow.”

It was that deeper argument for containment that war supporters like me neglected in the debate over Iraq. When U.N. inspectors re-entered the country in late 2002, they did not find Saddam growing inexorably stronger; they found a corrupt, isolated regime with an infrastructure degrading to the Stone Age. Had America not gone to war, containing Saddam would have been a diplomatic challenge for years to come. But if containment was taking its toll on the U.S., it was taking an even greater toll on Saddam.

Preview’s not working, so I hope I’ve formatted this correctly!

oddball — yeah, I heard it only because I had it on while I was cooking dinner. *g* But she was being so squirrelly about it, that I had to stop and listen. Something’s up…

The monumental task of undoing the disaster that Bush has made of this country and our reputation in the world is astronomical. Would anyone believe that we are seriously back on track after Bush is out of office? Who would be the one worthy of bringing back confidence to other nations and let them know that we are embarrassed by our past mistakes and will work extra hard to undo the damage that has been done?

Enter Al Gore. His strong stance on global warming, in sharp contrast to Bush’s policy, is a good start. I see him speaking out on many other topics between now and the elections.

they were riding high with Newt from 1994 to 1998, culminating in the impeachment coup d’etat. That collapsed so Geo. W. Bush became the next power-project. That’s collapsing too — they are desperately seeking another framework for continuing the corporate powergrab…

same meme…albeit modified knee pad re-positioning only

Good News? We’ll see this…

Oct 30 (AP) - Today the Pentagon affirmed that Good News will continue to flow from Bahgdad in spite of the death of the last journalist in the country of Iraq.

Rampant chaos has contributed to the civil war-like atmosphere and the deaths of all reporters in-country. However, the Pentagon has vowed the Good News will continue to flow.

Portions of this story are copyrighted by the Rendon Group (c) 2006.

Christy, do you think it’s unspoken conventional wisdom on the other side of the aisle that they are riding the political Hindenberg, waiting for the implosion of any one of a half dozen scandals? Has reality finally dawned on them?

Man, as much I find her repulsive, I wish I’d caught that bit with Ole’ 60 Grit…her delivery would have said a lot.

I think Al Gore is having too much fun doing what he’s doing to dive back into the swamp that the 2008 campaign is sure to be. I think he will make a great campaigner for whoever does get the nod, and I could definitely see him as head of EPA if a Dem takes the Oval Office in 2008, but I get the feeling that he sees himself as being more effective on environmental issues if he isn’t also saddled with the many issues that the next president will have to shoulder.

But, who knows?

Rayne at 19 — I don’t know. There have been so many little hints around the edges lately and then this week, some much bigger ones. That O’Beirne would be making any distinction between her positions as a “conservative” and the current “Republican Congress and Administration” was just so odd. She was talking about it in terms of them having difficulty justifying their spending to fiscal conservatives and such — things that I’ve been hearing from traditional conservatives that I know for quite a while. But to see that dissatisfaction bubble over publicly by a spin operative was really something else — even Matthews seems a little flummoxed. I mean, it wasn’t like she stood up and said “George Bush sucks as President” or anything — but she’s usually so party line message that it just struck me as very odd indeed.

Something’s up.

Cathy, if/when we DO see Gore start “speaking out on many other topics,” we’ll definitely know not to buy these non-denial denials.

But I agree with Anne. Global warming really DOES seem to be his heart’s cause, his life’s true work — and it’s certainly the biggest issue of our age. If he turns from that back to a mere presidential campaign, I’ll be surprised (and you know what? re-disappointed too).

Maybe they are floating the idea out there to see if it would work for them for the elections. Distancing themselves from an unpopular president might be the only thing they have left to try.

Whats up is.. I think ole 60 grit is doing a butt squat to provide for the record some future “i told you so talk points”

ot: a question for the legal minded . . .

IIRC FITZ waited till the last day of the GJ to foment skid marks in scotters shorts . . . so: it is possible that he will wait again till the last day of the current GJ to fill turdblossom’s adult diapers???

when does this current GJ end anyway?

just wondering: tanx in advance.

ALLAH is just alright!

Reminds me of William Kristol’s pathetic appearance on “The Colbert Report.”

This admin. has used terrorism against the west for their own political gain. That is all. So how does that make them any different than OBL?

Danbury 26,

It doesn’t

Bush and the NeoCons talk about what we’re fighting for, but their only actions are about fighting against. *ilson’s comment about impeachment is one example (against Clinton), but you could go on and on with others. Even the tax cuts are sold using the negative (against taxes), rather than the positive (for . . . what?).

This is why, even as we rail against BushCo, NeoCons, RG Joe, etc., we need to be bold about raising up what we stand for, both in words and deeds. Lamont is not merely the anti-Joe, but in favor of women as equal partners in public life, in favor of a foreign policy built on more than the military ppower of the nation, etc.

The big issue for us is accountability. We believe in checks and balances. We believe that government officials work first and foremost on behalf of the people, and not for the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and certainly not for private energy companies, private military contractors, or private interests of any kind.

Hate to say it, but those commercials that Allison Janney does for Kaiser are effective: we are pro-this, for that, in favor of the other thing, etc.

I’d love to hear Howard Dean, HRC, Feingold, Obama, Durbin, and the whole host of Dem leaders throw Dubya’s strategery of negativism into stark relief. Tell the nation what we’re for; it’ll confuse the hell out of the Republicans

lotuslander-
Global warming and all the ramifications of it is really the basis of many global issues that go beyond polution. It affects the economy, international aid, business, international relations, etc. We need a president who thinks that global warming is dire, in order to fix the rest of this country’s problems.

Ole 60 was smiling, less caustic and used ‘them, they and theirs’ when referring to rethugs. She had nice things to say about Obama and Jim Warren and it was truly a weird interview. This is what really got my attention, though.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Kate, the political party that you often represent in argument, the Republican Party, does it wish to make this election, as I read in the newspapers over the weekend, about culture again, gay marriage, et cetera, abortion rights, attacking Nancy Pelosi for representing a Contract with San Francisco — it was referred to this weekend — as opposed to a Contract with America? Is this the plan?

O’BEIRNE: With the caveat that I actually don’t represent the Republican Party but I’m familiar with how they’re thinking.

>>>>>>>>>

here’s the linky and you gotta scroll down for her part.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13055177/

OBL
GWB
different letters
same message

Our next President needs to be someone who is not identified with the decision to invade Iraq. If present trends in opinion polls continue over the next 28 months it is hard to see Americans voting for a pro-war Democrat or Republican. Consider that more than 40% of voters consider themselves “independents.” If this analysis is correct the field of candidates is fairly limited. Hillary may have to put presidential ambitions on hold for a few more years.

I think we need an environmentalist president too, Cathy — desperately — but I’d rather see some other good Dem (initials RF or JE?) in the Oval as Al Gore assumes the international status of a Jimmy Carter and wins himself a Nobel Prize for services to all humanity.

Basra: State of emergency declared
“BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki declared Wednesday a month-long state of emergency in the southern city of Basra amid a flare-up in sectarian tensions, according to an official with the minister’s office….”
Al-Maliki is on a visit to the oil-rich city, which had been relatively calm since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

John McCain skips Bilbray fundraiser -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....appearance

Go Francine!

A tale of two anniversaries
By Swopa May 30 2006 - 6:34pm
“Kudos to Steve Benen for realizing that these words were said exactly one year ago by Big Dick Cheney:
‘I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.’
The Associated Press this afternoon lets us know how that prediction went:…”

Great catch MrEMan, thanks.

“Somethings happenin’ here, what it is aint exactly clear “

dadhusker:
965 bottles of beer on the wall
965 bottles of beer
If one of those bottles happen to fall…….

MrEMan,

If Bilbray wants McCain to show up to support him, he should bash McCain’s Vietnam service, his wife, and his kid, post haste! McCain seems to have no problem with that sort of thing, but he sure defends his legislation.

In the corner of a dimly lit basement, an NCO of the 101st fighting keyboarders regains consciousness, after falling out of his chair and bumping his head while engaged in desperate hand to hand combat with a bag of Cheetos that WOULD NOT OPEN . . .

As dawn breaks, he checks his throbbing head, and cries out for his medic mommy . . .

Could very well be that administration ratty rodents are just beginning to jump out of the Bush rotting boat. We’ve seen a few doing that. And how fitting that these less than honorable characters are deserting their guy. And it is wonderful indeed, almost deviously erotic, to see this family (the Bushes) who place such a necessary, and in many cases sufficient condition on loyalty for bestowing servitude on their unquestioning men and women rat-pack minions, to witness the breaking of the ranks. But after all is said and done, the bottom line for this Democrat is will all this translate to into voter support for the party in 2006 and ‘08? I want to say yesss! And I surely do hope so! But with guys like Hillary, Bill, Lieberman and the absolutely horrible DLC running things, I have misgivings. McCain, just might be able to pull it off. Oh nightmares of nightmares.

We want accountability, and the rightwing’s looking for a scapegoat. The result might be the same - the end of the Dubya DC Debacle - but there’s a huge difference between the two.

A scapegoat didn’t really do anything wrong; it’s just the poor critter that the sins of the community are placed upon before it is driven into the wilderness. “There . . . all the evil is gone!”

Being held accountable, on the other hand, is much different. It means someone is responsible for what happened. For a society built on freedom and justice, public accountability of public servants is a non-negotiable.

Let the wingnuts have their scapegoat - I want accountability. Bring back the adults to DC!

Acc to Raw Story– the Iraq drawdown has been canceled by Chimp and Baloney Blair. duh.

CNN reports Chimp heard about Haditha after Time released the story– (what chain of command is this?) I mean, he did not know about Katrina or this potential explosive story of a massacre until the press tells the story? No wonder he wants to muzzle the press, he would never know the bad news if there was a news blackout and it was missing white women 24/7 a la faux. It surely exposes him as an uninvolved and out of control executive in chief. Or maybe he DID know and is using the kick downward method of non management…
Either way a failure; everyday, every hour they are in charge.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WO.....1/haditha/

Where’s Fitzy?
We need the nail in the coffin.
Corrupt, delusional and inane administration.
Throe me a Fitz!

The Bay State Librul

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a great editorial today, with the title “Nobody Home”:

Before every election, the Post-Gazette routinely sends letters to the candidates seeking material for the Voters Guide. Back in March, as part of that process for the primary, the newspaper sent a letter to Rick Santorum at his home address, at least the one that he claims. Back from Penn Hills came the letter with a sticker from the U.S. Postal Service checked as “Not Deliverable As Addressed — Unable To Forward.”

That is all you need to know about the nasty dispute between the Republican Sen. Santorum and his Democratic opponent, Bob Casey Jr., in the November election. The whole thing is rooted in one inconvenient fact for Sen. Santorum: He doesn’t live here anymore.

Read the whole thing at http://www.post-gazette.com/pg.....1-192.stm, where they repeat that last line three more times in a short editorial.

The NeoCons are saying the same thing about the Bush Administration. “George Who? Nobody here by that name . . .”

Sorry - the editorial was Friday, not today.

These people always want to be on the winning side; I don’t see anything new there. The shift in these normally pro-Administration types like O’Beirne is starting to remind me of the commentary of every football game I have ever watched. When the favorite is winning, they just can’t stop talking about how great the team is, from the owner all the way down to the guy who dries off the footballs when it rains. They even manage to find ways to praise the mistakes. But when the losing team begins to make some big plays, scores some points and takes even a small lead, you can hear them moving off one bandwagon and onto the other. It’s as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.

If nothing else, it has to be a sign that enough of these talking heads now believe that the Bush era is O-V-E-R, and it’s time to anoint a savior. That, to me, is probably a clue to start listening carefully to try to figure out who that savior will be.

lotuslander (22) — have you read Jared Diamond’s Collapse? Diamond makes the case that there are five key issues that determine whether a society fails, and demonstrates his case with examples. Some societies survived because the entire society across its lowest levels and up were subscribed to sustainable practices; others survived because they had highly effective top-down direction.

Environmental conservation is definitely a key value for Al Gore, having worked on this issue for more than a decade; however, what he espouses is not merely environmental protections. He advocates a wholesale reassessment of our political and economic system based on our spiritual* values as a nation, ultimately resulting in a Global Marshall Plan.

As a candidate, Gore has an opportunity to do more than educate and advocate from the bottom up; he can become an effective leader for a top-down realization of a national strategy of sustainable economics. It’s going to take both a bottom-up, top-down effort to turn this behemoth around in time to save our planet.

cathy (#15):

One point that could be made in regards to Gore being the candidate in ‘08:

America started going in the wrong direction when Al Gore was denied the victory in 2000 by the Supreme Court and all the other minions of the Bush family.
One thing you may be sure of: Richard Clarke would not have been ignored for nine months before 9/11 and it is quite possible that a great American tragedy could have been averted.

And so America, with your election of Al Gore we may now begin the difficult task of righting our country and making the positive contribution to the rest of the world which is our duty.

I watched a republican discussion panel a few months ago on cspan. I was surprised at how forthcoming they were about things. Kelleyanne Fitzpatrick was one. Anyway, they left me with the feeling that we should be watching for a reintoduction of Newt.

Not quite on topic (sorry!), but I’d sure like to read some FDL assessment of the dialogue from yesterday’s Sensenbrenner committee meeting. My reaction was that at last some intelligent people are shaking off their dogmatic slumber, which is big news if it’s true, right? And some of them are conservatives, so the topic isn’t utterly unrelated to this thread.

* by spiritual I do not mean religious values. Gore says our problem is one of spirit, by which I believe him to mean our personal integrity and will power as much any sense of ethics we have, whether derived from one’s religion or no.

Rayne 50 - Hear,hear! We certainly need a spiritual revival, not to be confused with a religious revival. I welcome any attempts to turn us around and will give Gore all the support I can muster. We’d better have his back when the Slime Machine cranks into overdrive.

OTOH, I will not pin my hopes on a saviour.

Newt vs Hillary. Neocons win

Good Morning Everyone,

Santorum to Pennsylvania: I’m just not that in to you

and can we please hang all their neo con bleatings around their necks ?!?! - for goodness sakes there are almost 3000 dead, 20,000 wounded and almost immeasurable damage to the Iraqi people and country b/c these clowns sang backup ?

haven’t read Fukuyama’s latest - does he at least say he was wrong, they got it wrong, or is he all about being misled down the rose garden path ?

am dreaming of the day I hear or read ‘Disgraced Neo Conservative commentator….

Great catch, as per usual, Peterr at 7:27, thanks.

what concerns me is that this public disconnect of neo/conservatives from the bushies is intended to get congressional rethugs re-elected. that this is some rovian kabuki to make it appear as though the prez [who doesn’t need to get relected] is the crazy one, while sensenbrenner & hastert and the rest can feign an empty gesture of a lurch to the middle.

otoh, this theory could simply indicate how much i distrust the right, that i believe they will do anything to retain power, even pretend to eat their own.

in fact i think there’s already been a military coup [air force led], camouflaged of course, and that’s the real cover-up.

It’s sort of interesting, but only in a second- or third-hand way, because the neocons have never actually been about democracy in the first place. The whole thing is a bluff. When it suits them, they’ll talk “democracy,” or even pretend to support it as in the Ukraine elections, where they actually supported a lot of fascists. The neocons are a movement that openly avows the use of the “noble lie” for greater ends. Have you noticed them supporting democracy here in the good old USA? No, not only are they full of crap, they KNOW they’re full of crap and they think that it’s RIGHT to be full of crap. That’s probably why, when they’re caught in a lie — which has happened by now hundreds of times — they never act like they did anything wrong.

OT–The Secretary of Hate is delivering her very strict Nurse Ratchett speech to and about Iran on MSNBC– do as we say and we’ll come to the table.

priscianus jr,

Do the neo-cons know they are full of crap? I don’t know if the answer to that question would change what we have to do to get rid of their influence, but it is an important question for me nonetheless.

It really bothers me. People rarely KNOW they are full of crap. The human psyche provides layers and layers of self-justification and self-rationalization to protect us from that understanding. “Well, maybe I mistook the facts,” etc. etc. People have to believe psychologically that if we only understood all the context we would understand and approve their beliefs and decisions.

So I guess I have difficulty believing that they know they are full of crap.

But on the other hand, Leo Strauss (about whom I know little) is said to have defended the noble lie.

Rayne 50 — no, I haven’t read “Collapse” yet (or learned HTML either, drat), but thanks for the reminder that I want to.

Y’all don’t get me wrong — I agree Al Gore would make us a fine prez — I just think he’ll be even more effective and do us more good on this current assignment he’s taken on: international awakener/facilitator of global health. So I’d hate to see him deflected from that to get all snarled up in the politics of just one country (even ours) — because I don’t see the world’s next “Al Gore” on the horizon, and the world needs one of those badly.

To my mind, his current job can potentially become more important to world history than a term or two in the US presidency — but only if he sticks with it.

This challenge and its answerer are both things we’ve never quite seen before, aren’t they? We’re feeling our way along, and the new improved Al Gore has volunteered to lead us (a much larger “us” than the USofA).

Hozanner!

(P.S. to angie — “Nurse Ratchett voice” gets you an A from here!)

OT - Gonzales is at it again…
“Terrorism invoked in ISP snooping proposal”
http://news.com.com/2102-1028_.....util.print

I mean “Nurse Ratchett speech.” Scoozy.

new thread

Methinks the rats are bailing on the Bush ship of state%u2026

There’s an ages-old saying that sums this up nicely”

“Thieves fall out.”

“The Secretary of Hate”
LMAO.

OT:
Tom Edsall doing some excellent work at the
WaPo’s online political chat:
“Philadelphia, Pa.: Any comment on the pitiful article from the AP on Monday that was trying to connect Senator Reid with corruption. The writer, John Solomon, could only criticize Reid for legally taking a gift and then voting against the interests of the agency giving the gift. The truly funny part was when the AP changed the story and left out the part about Reid’s vote on the issue. Does that sound like a bad reporter or just a blatant partisan or anti-democratic jokester?
Tom Edsall: This article has become very controversial, especially on the web. AP, CNN and others should provide a detailed follow up to explain the confusing play, and perhaps later changes, of the information of Reid’s actual vote. I have not researched this myself and do not know the details as fact, but it appears that Reid voted against the interests of those who gave him free tickets, and this significant fact appeared in various locations in the story in different printings and publications, and may have been left out altogether in some cases. The burden falls on AP to straighten this out.”

I bet Woodward, Harris, Howell, Hiatt, and Brady won’t like Tom’s response too much.

I think it’s also of significant note that Edsall mentions “the web.”

Angie, I just walked past the plasma TV in my firm’s reception area, and saw Con-at-Any Price speaking, with a banner at the bottom of the screen that made me think, here we go again.

Maybe our next project should be to send muzzles to these people who only make things worse when they open their mouths.

cbl (57) — think this is the best part of Fukuyama’s mea culpa. While not an essay that is entirely “aware”, it is a start; he doesn’t say so directly or succinctly, but his words imply that the administration had a great idea and f*cked up the execution.

Which is pretty much what a lot of the military folks said all along — like Shinseki’s request for more troops or Baptiste’s comments last night on Hardball about the same, our military was undermanned and underprepared for the long-term effort to win the peace.

That was the core of the PNAC’s manifesto, the realization of a Pax Americana; the neo-cons simply didn’t get the concept of pax, peace, and what it means to win one. They are too conflicted with personal desire for monetary gain that a prolonged war brings to ever be effective at their stated goal. They achieved instead the unstated goal of profits from war. In some ways, Bush actually did tell the truth when he said in 2000 that the U.S. should not be in nation building; he had absolutely no intention of doing so, even if it was part of his obligation and responsibility as POTUS. He had entirely different priorities that simply weren’t communicated fully to the American people before the 2000 election and before the war.

It’s here that Fukuyama f*cked up; he naively assumes that all his neo-con peeps are like him, willing to live a quiet life of reflection when in reality they are among the most greedy and rapacious creatures on earth. Watch the 3-hour interview with Fukuyama on BookTV on C-SPAN, you’ll see what I mean; he’s incapable of the awareness required to truly see other motives. Fukuyama is now relegated to abstruse and arcane in political philosophy.

What a shame.

Oh that Bush

;>)

Susan Gibson - if you love the chicks you will enjoy Susan Gibson, who wrote their hit “Wide Open Spaces” when she was 19.

People I am also listening to are:
Carolyn Wonderland - she has some great protest songs.
Guy Forsyth - Love Songs: For and Against
Terri Hendricks - works with Lloyd Maines (Natalie’s father)
Shelley King - Incredible voice, a cousin of Wesley Clark .

All of the above singer/songwriters were at the last anti-war protest march I attended here in Austin (was it in March or April?). Some performed and some were there because it was the right thing to do.

Check out the Clumsey Lovers (Canadian) and Waifs (Aussies).

The “freedom doctrine” was only ever an after-the-fact rationalisation of the Iraq invasion once it was clear there were no WMD and they needed some other justification. It has no more been “abandoned” than I have abandoned my doctrine of not getting drunk at the weekend.

This is amazing…

This is the first comments thread that I’ve seen which is free of wingnuts.

Why won’t any of them post in here?

Could it be because THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH?!??

Priscianus jr. sez: The neocons are a movement that openly avows the use of the “noble lie” for greater ends.

THat’s what pisses me off more than anything, I think. WHo the F*ck are they to hijack a whole country? Their cause is noble and no other is? We recoiled in disgust at their PNAC proposal in the late 90’s - indeed, the world did - yet they claim Bush’s annointing as the consensus they need. No public discussion, unless in coded language that I missed entirely, that this was the direction we, as a nation, should take. The Straussian notion of the noble lie makes chumps of us all.

OK, off color but I can’t resist:

Rumpled_foreskin - love your moniker and the synchronicity of the number of your post.

Rayne,

thanks so much for your response on Fukuyama - lots to dive in and read, but my initial response is

“Where do I start ?!?!”

he’s definitely playing it a little more clothed than Kristol (gee, where’ he been lately -LOL) but good night nurse -

and to hear them tell it, they looove history -so why they chose to ignore it is beyond me. At best, history will treat them as cultists holding sway to the point where a once great nation drove perilously to the brink

I’m sure there’s a more grownup way of saying it, but it’s probably obvious I am at my end with these klowns

It seems to me that all the recent
separation between Bush and repubs in Congress
particularly the immigration issue
is nothing more than a Rovian campaign strategy
to, well, separate Republican congressman from Bush. This includes the Dubai Ports controversy.

I could be wrong, I dont know the breakdown
but I betcha all the anti-immigrant rebel repubs are from seats not affected by the latino vote.

It seems to me that all the recent
separation between Bush and repubs in Congress
particularly the immigration issue
is nothing more than a Rovian campaign strategy
to, well, separate Republican congressman from Bush. This includes the Dubai Ports controversy.

I could be wrong, I dont know the breakdown
but I betcha all the anti-immigrant rebel repubs are from seats not affected by the latino vote.

Christy - I’m really late to this party, but thanks for the link to that article. Like the cartoon, too.

Maybe it’s polling numbers, and maybe it’s reality setting in. I don’t know which, since I don’t watch the neocon thinkers closely enough to know. They seem to have been largely disconnected from the reality of what their policies have done. It might be that a few, like Fukuyama and Fuller, have now had the opportunity of conducting a laboratory experiment on their theories and found them lacking. One can hope, anyway.

Maybe it was all that exuberance after the Berlin Wall came down and Communism collapsed that has caused this sort of thinking. All of a sudden there were a dozen or more new “free” countries. Some stayed free, but others, like the ’stans have clearly regressed, and some like Ukraine and Georgia show signs that they might, as well. The reality seems to be that it’s going to take a long time for democracy to take hold in some places. There are clearly many places, like Iraq, that crave democracy but don’t understand how it works yet. It tooks us almost a century to get democracy right enough to where we could write our own constitution. It took another seventy years and a civil war to really cement our version of democracy. Oh, and it took another forty years before all adults were allowed to vote. It’s understandable that it’s going to take some time in other places.

In short, maybe some neocons are learning the value of patience.

BTW, if you want to know where PNAC gets their “philosophy” look at the wiki article on Leo Strauss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

Fukuyama writes:

“Neoconservatism, as both a political symbol and a body of thought, has evolved into something I can no longer support.”

From After Neoconservatism:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02.....mp;ei=5070

Yet, from this I get: It’s not me, it’s Bush and all things unanticipated. Sure. If you’ve invested cortical time in a plan of preemptive invasion without having asked whether or not it was unethical or a breach of international law, it would be a hard sell to insist the plan had merit, then blame its’ own operatives in the administration for it’s failure.

They are all connected at the brain stem. There is no difference between Cheney and Kristol in the PNAC plan of action.

Their failure was built into the Project for a New American Century. That, and the guaranteed overreaching every extremist is subject to, i.e. Plame. Its what they do.

Interesting that this pre-emptive defensiveness comes at a time when federal investigators/prosecutors are getting uncomfortably close to their working ideologues.

The NeoCons are just mad at Bush because the invasion of Iran is most definitely off despite all of the Mossad’s efforts. Do the math - Conrad Black false story about the Iranian parliament’s decision to make Jews wear yellow stripes Jerusalem Post Amir Tehari (Benador) and the Weisenthal Institute’s frantic efforts to promote this brazen fabrication = a lot of wringing hands in Israel over their failure to once again control U.S. foreign policy.

Pictures are not coming through. Anyone else having this problem?

Koheleth 63 and Mommybrain 76 –
You’re right it’s an interesting question whether they really KNOW they’re full of crap. When they set up an Office of Special Plans specifically designed to concoct “useful” intelligence and deliberately destroy the work of real intelligence analysts, you’d think that they would know. But you’re probably right they mostly don’t and this may be why — what the neocons REALLY believe is this: “If you close your eyes, and wish REALLY, REALLY HARD — then your dream will come true.” DESIRE trumps reality for them. Desire IS reality. So undoubtedly they do forget they’re full of crap, since they desire so much not to be. But anyway, one thing we know — they are utterly and totally full of crap.

Remember this? –
In those heady months building up to the War-Based-on-Lies, New York Times columnist Ron Suskind made some remarks about then-White House Communications Director Karen Hughes. These bothered the administration. So a senior official (Karl Rove?) took Suskind to task, and as Suskind recounted later in an October 17, 2004 NYT piece, mocked him for being ‘in what we call the reality-based community.’ These are people, the official elaborated, who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” The bullying Bush insider warned against such belief, dismissing it as naive: ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he declared. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality, we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Dec05/Leupp1210.htm

As I am by no means the first to point out, if all this wasn’t such an incredible disaster, it would be uproariously funny. Neocons should be required to read the story of King Canute, how he would have his throne brought to the seashore when the tide was coming in so he could command it to go out. Well, guess what? It just kept on coming in. That’s how he kept his hubris in check. They had a few wise kings in those days.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, isn’t it?

I think it’s great to see patriot’s stand up as the Neo-commies stand down. This war was a ‘ Leninist’( Fukuyama)folly of epic proportion’s and this deficit is all pure Marxism in hock to Red China. The sooner we bulldoze these Neo-commies and their pinko rose from Texas the better.