
(Ned Lamont is over at Kos chatting with people, go say hello.)
Writing in the Providence Journal, John E. Mulligan has a very enlightening article on Lincoln Chafee’s recent vote (along straight party lines) to kill a Democratic bill meant to limit the chlorine gas treatment of sewage:
Outside a quiet Senate committee room Tuesday morning, a lobbyist for Greenpeace confronted U.S. Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee to protest his role in killing a Democratic bill meant to protect sewage plants from terrorists.
Rick Hind told Chafee: You cast the deciding vote to shield the chemical industry’s "bad legislation" from Democratic amendments. You are part of "the dishonesty in Washington" that denies the threat of volatile waste treatment gases in 100 cities, he said. The man from Greenpeace spoke in low, angry tones partly to tell "hard truths" to a Republican who usually hears praise from environmentalists, he said, and partly to be quoted in Chafee’s home state newspaper.
"Praise from environmentalist?" I suppose that would be The Sierra Club and the League of Conservation Voters, both of whom have endorsed Chafee. But Mulligan goes on to analyze the cynical cocktail weenie politics behind those endorsements:
On the one hand, many environmentalists revere Chafee as the lone Republican willing and able to block legislation they view as attacking the nation’s air and water quality laws. Not even the "greenest" Democrat wields such power in a Senate ruled by the GOP.
"Senator Chafee keeps all kinds of bad things from happening," said David Willett, of the Sierra Club, the granddaddy of U.S. conservation groups, which recently gave Chafee its only endorsement of a Senate Republican.
On the other hand, even Chafee’s friends in the environmental movement chide him when he votes with his party on measures they oppose. The latest examples were his votes last week to help push the Republican wastewater plant security bill through the environment panel on a straight party-line vote — and to table a Democratic version that would have required more spending and speedier action to address the issue.
"We’re disappointed, of course," said Tony Massaro, a top lobbyist for the League of Conservation Voters, which has also endorsed Chafee. "We’d like everybody we support — and everybody in the Congress — to be 100-percenters" on environmental issues, Massaro said.
Some people take a harder line against Chafee; often, they are Democrats opposed to the Bush administration and congressional Republicans, not only on environmental questions but across the board.
Their argument includes environmental issues but transcends them as well. If the Democrats were to seize back control of the Senate from the GOP — which holds 55 of 100 seats today — there would be no need of a Chafee to stand in the way of the Bush administration’s most objectionable initiatives on the environment or on other fronts. Nor would there be much worry in a Democratic Senate, by this reasoning, that a Chafee would sometimes help his party on controversial nominations or key procedural gambits.
That partisan logic would suggest a vote against Chafee, even if he scored 100 percent on every environmental scorecard, because his defeat would represent a step toward a Democratic Senate majority.
Even Chafee himself acknowledges the cynical nature of the gambit being played by these groups:
That, of course, "is the whole premise of the Democratic campaign against me," said Chafee, "but it hinges on a lot happening around the country." Chafee was hinting, not in so many words, at the rationale that some environmentalists give for backing Chafee: He is an invaluable hedge against the possibility that the Republicans will remain in power.
So Chafee, a weak-kneed, only-when-they-let-me environmentalist at best, is being supported against his Democratic opponent with both money and volunteers by institutional environmentalists solely as a "hedge" against the horrors of continued GOP hegemony. In doing so these groups actively work against a Democratic majority in the Senate — Chafee’s seat is key to reclaiming that - and noboy is arguing that this would not be better for environmentalists across the board.
Meanwhile, by endorsing Chafee and funneling both money and resources to him, they are actively woking to defeat Democrats like Sheldon Whitehouse:
Alex Swartsel, spokeswoman for Democratic Senate candidate Sheldon Whitehouse, countered that Democratic control of the Senate is the only satisfactory "check" against Mr. Bush, whom she called "the worst president in history" on environmental issues.
"The Republican Party knows that when they really need him, Senator Chafee will be there for them," said Swartsel. Among other issues, she cited last week’s wastewater votes in the environment committee and Chafee’s recent support for a top appointee to the Environmental Protection Administration whom environmentalists generally opposed.
And how does Big Green Lincoln Chafee respond to this criticism of being a tepid puppet at best when it comes to environmental issues?
When Rick Hind, of Greenpeace, confronted him on the issue Tuesday, Chafee flushed red and grew terse. "Do the best we can," he replied.
Later, he came up with a defense of the Republican waste-plant security bill: It would study the chemical risks as a reasonable first step, whereas the Democratic version would impose immediate and onerous federal mandates on local governments.
Oh I get it, that’s right. Regulation bad, Ronald Regan, blah blah blah. Yer a mensch, Lincoln. A real rock.
Go back to crying in the men’s Senate bathroom and whimpering about how mean they all are to you and leave the critical protection of the environment to the adults.
Related posts:
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Fitz and Gore and Robert Kennedy Jr!
Fitzy Rootz!!!
Fitz & Ned!
RE: Iran. CNN-Lou Dobbs & MSNBC-Chris Matthews with Robert Baer, and Condoleeza Rice are *unbearable* tonight. It seems that ChimpCo is doing another charade, whereby they try to convince the public that they will “negotiate” with Iran, but are setting up negotiations for failure in the media (all Iran’s fault of course). They talk of “consequences” blithely as if bombs didn’t mean death. And WHO is this Baer guy. He has a book called Burn the House down??? And again, it seems people are less than skeptical about all this “evidence” and charade.
Teddy Roosevelt! (national parks!)
& his lovely niece Eleanor (for being good on so many issues!)
Time to wrap this little piggy into a blanket and serve him up for hor d’oeuvres along with some whine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..components
DHS to Slash Funds for N.Y., Washington
Smaller Cities to Receive Larger Antiterror Grants
By Dan Eggen and Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; 3:56 PM
The two cities attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, will receive far less antiterrorism money under plans unveiled today by the Department of Homeland Security, which has designated more money for many smaller cities throughout the country.
Washington and New York will receive 40 percent less in urban grant money compared to last year, with Washington dropping from $77 million to $46 million and New York falling from $207 million to $124 million, DHS officials said. The combined total means that the two areas bear almost the entire brunt of a $120 million cut in the overall budget for the program, the statistics show.
agreed mui– Baer actually scoffed at our 1950’s involvement with Iran and then went on to say that he knows exactly what Iran will do if we attack their nucular stuff. Maybe the administration lent him their failsafe crystal ball.
blech.
btw, there’s a local Homeland Security flap in Indiana: many teeny Hoosier towns were buying anthrax decontamination equipment and the like — they didn’t realize they could buy needed tornado sirens with the Federal money …
I thought I heard that Baer guy on Tweety’s show say if we bombed Iran it would be a BAD thing – big mistake that would cause all kinds of HUGE PROBLEMS – in the region, with oil, with our economy, etc.
He also said that attacking Iran is one giant can o’worms that even the dumbya administration doesn’t want to open.
Didn’t see all of the show, though…
OK I am now a little familiar with his writings. Blow the House down is hardly inspiring. He writes fiction and nonfiction that read like LeCarre according ton one reviewer. And now he’s lending his LeCarre touch to Chris Matthews. The evil that men do.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..oding=UTF8
Last we heard from you about this race, Jane, the Sheldon Whitehouse campaign was not “getting” the blogosphere. Are you reaching them yet? Once we get past the June 6th primaries, there’ll be some time (in between Ned, Ned, Ned all the time, of course) to educate folks about Chafee; I certainly hope the Whitehouse people are connecting up with the blogs.
mui,
“And WHO is this Baer guy. He has a book called Burn the House down???”
Bob Baer is ex CIA. He wrote a KILLER book called “See No Evil”. His second book, “Sleeping with the Devil” was garbage IMO, assumptions (wrong) based on assumptions etc. His latest book sounds like the latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer
CNN had a brief clip from Michael Rubin, a neocon activist on Iraq, poo-pooing the idea that Iran would negotiate honestly. Considering Rubin’s loosing record on Iraq, why the hell would CNN think anybody would take him seriously?
This one’s old too- but the latest polling I can find on Rhode Island.
(May fourth)
May 4, 2006
Rhode Island Senator Lincoln Chafee (R) continues to have a very tough row to hoe in his reelection battle, and fails to reach 50% support against his likely Democratic opponent. He also faces a stiff challenge for the Republican nomination from Cranston Mayor Steve Laffey.
When voters are asked about prospective match-ups, Chafee narrowly leads the likely Democratic candidate, former Attorney General Sheldon Whitehouse, by 44% to 41%, a tossup (see crosstabs). Another Democrat, Secretary of State Matt Brown, dropped out of the race in late April.
Rhode Island is one of the more critical states in the electoral competition for control of the United States Senate. If this very Blue State retains its Republican Senator, prospects for a Democratic takeover of the Senate are greatly diminished.
Chafee’s Primary Election challenger, Mayor Laffey, trails Whitehouse by 19 percentage points, 51% to 32%. If Laffey wins the Republican Primary, this Senate seat is very likely to shift from the GOP to the Democrat’s column.
One more troubling sign for Senator Chafee is that Laffey does better among Republicans in the General Election match-ups against Whitehouse. Laffey earns 70% of the GOP vote while Chafee gets just 60%. However, in Rhode Island, unaffiliated voters can participate in the primary and Chafee does better than Whitehouse among such voters.
The gubernatorial incumbent is also struggling. Republican Governor Donald Carcieri is neck and neck with Lieutenant Governor Charles Fogarty, a Democrat. Carcieri attracts 41% of the vote to Fogarty’s 42%.
Teddy 12 — I don’t know that they’re not “getting” the blogosphere as they just haven’t found a great way to interact yet. These things can take time but we are communicating.
*ilson, of course they want someone to sayIran won’t negotiate, just like condi said it without saying it. They have set it up so that the chances of Iran even coming to the table are slim because of the caveat to stop enriching. I think this is all total bullshit on the US’ part, bad faith and bad diplomacy. But then, they’re so new at the diplomacy part, at least without guns in their hands, aren’t they? This is the kind of thing Clinton was brilliant with, why oh why oh why…..
*ilson46201 (14) I saw that and I couldn’t take the tv anymore. Rubin is plain awful and inhumane.
rw 15 — all the more reason why it’s inexcusable for these environmental groups to be supporting Chafee. They’re neck-and-neck. Giving him a thumbs up for his shaky environmental record is just crap.
*ilson46201 (14). I am curious why they don’t interview someone who wasn’t a loser like Scott Ritter.
Interest groups are between a rock and a hard place on this one. They probably figure that Chaffee has a better than even chance of getting dumped- in which case they’ll be better represented- but they need to hedge their bets in case he wins.
It’s a strange race- most liberal state in the nation-and a gooper holding down a key senate seat. If I were Linc- I wouldn’t sign a long term lease in the Washington area- I suspect he will be toast come November.
Afraid to lose, afraid to win. What if these groups supported Chafee’s Democratic opponent? Let’s say they did and Chafee wins anyway. Would his “greenness” change in any way? I highly doubt that. What a bunch of fools. The institutionalized interest groups are moribund.
Jane- Yeah I always try to put myself in the other person’s place in a situation like this and imagine what they’re thinking. In a gooper controlled senate- having a moderate who will vote for you sometimes can be a lifesaver- on the other hand- failing to support a truly green challenger hurts too. They’re gonna get pounded in either event.
I think they’re not reading the writing on the wall here very clearly- Linc’s history.
I have given up on the Sierra Club. They’ve become too big and too damned Republican-friendly. The Wilderness Society and the Center for Biological Diversity get my support instead.
Hi Jane,
This is a follow to your post on feminism and feminists in Muslim countries vis a vis the wingnuts and the chimperator’s supporters
I’ve written a piece on the 35 year old mother of two shot to death as she was being raced to the local maternity hospital to give birth to her third child.
Now you know she was a woman, I know she was a woman, but according to the press release emailed to AP she was just a “female” and her death was “regrettable”
http://gorillasguides.blogspot…..e-pro.html
There’s a very interesting use of language – they don’t even begin to realise what their use of language says about how they despise every – thought you might find it useful to have another piece of ammo.
Gone 00:30 here so I’m off to get a bit more done before I hit the sack.
See you. *poof*
oooops
All aplogies to the folks from RI, but in the stand-up comedy world it is considered a black-hole..sort of a wierd incubator for bad comedy acts.
To wit. This weekend I performed with RI’s finest, “The Clam Man”. A grown man with a stuffed clam outfit and a protruding clam-neck placed strategically in his nether regions……He does karaoke tunes and rewrote REM’s “Stand” into “Clam”…”Clams are the things that you dig”…..
At the crescendo he strokes the clam-neck and squirts audience members with what I can only pray is water and not a home grown batch of clam-man chowder.
All that aside, say syanora Linky Chafester…I think his heart isn’t in the game anymore.
-GSD
closed it sorry! Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima maxima culpa.
(markfromireland vanishes in cloud of deeply embarassed smoke)
*poof*
*ilson 7, as one who lives downwind (really crosswind) of Orlando by not a lot, I feel right about Orlando’s getting more DHS attention and $$$ — not just for us locals’ sake but also because we host around 45M of the rest of y’all (I think it is) every year. Of course, the problem isn’t that we’re getting more but that Chimpian/Rumsfeldian priorities allow so much less than the whole country needs (”homeland security” being the least of it).
Yes, Teddy, I HAVE had enough!
Linc should have switched parties early in the year and run for re-election as a dem. His political point of view ain’t worth a bucket of warm spit in today’s gooper party. All the other northeastern senators should have done the same.
They’re fighting battles they don’t believe in for the benefit of people they despise.
I don’t get it. If there is a shot to change the power structure to one that is on on your side, why don’t you pull all the stops to make it happen?
Thanks Jane, as someone who cares deeply for the enviroment, it’s good to know what games these groups play.
Hurricane season starts tomorrow:
Study finds rapid pre-Katrina sinking in New Orleans
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; Posted: 6:40 p.m. EDT (22:40 GMT)
(CNN) — Parts of New Orleans sank rapidly in the three years leading up to Hurricane Katrina, which might have made the already low-lying city even more vulnerable, a new study found.
That may explain why some levees failed during Katrina and raises serious concerns about the future of the city, according to researchers.
When the LCV and the Sierra Club endorse Chaffee, it is all about national fundraising. Those organizations get a lot of money from moderate Republicans and environmentally-minded businesses and foundations. They pull this off by being “bi-partisan”. To remain bi-partisan, they need to endorse a Republican now and then and Chaffee is about as good as they can find. When they endorse Chaffee, it allows them to endorse all the Democrats they really want to support everywhere else, but they need Republican money to spend on all those Democrats.
Millin–I suppose that the groups don’t want to be seen as supporting dems only- and totally blowing off goopers who may be supportive of at least part of their agenda- especially when goopers are in power.
Their responsibility is to issues- not candidates.
Just another example of a Pussy Politician with no back bone.Can we call him Puddles? Can we? Please?We promise we’ll clean up after him……
Btw, isn’t this the same guy that got an endoresment from Naral?And Please tell me he is up for re-election and it is going badly.
markfromireland @ 3:38 pm (#25) – In this country, “female” is often misused as a noun. At best, it should only be used that way when the female person’s age isn’t known, or as part of a large group of female people who vary greatly in age and/or marital status. That is not the way it’s used here, though.
ArthurKC 33 — absolutely. Cocktail weenies abound. There is absolutely no way to defend this endorsement as positive for the environment itself, especially in this particular race which looks like it will be extraordinarily close.
Bustedknuckles 35 — “Puddles” it is. Going in the headline now.
Since 1994–interest groups have had to fashion coalitions between moderate goopers and dems in order to survive- the moderate goopers have been the difference between defeat and disaster for them. They probably feel that they owe a little loyalty- and that if they turn on Linc- they could lose others who are a part of the coalition. Of course like all sane people- they are hoping Linc gets the crap kicked out of him.
eveerhopeful @ 10– he did not say it would be a good thing, he just said he knew exactly what would happen…
WOOOHOOO!!!!
some people have such simple pleasures !
By the way- incumbents who are below 50% at this point in an election cycle are normally toast- the momentum usually builds for the challenger- not the incumbent- so Linc’s in pretty bad shape if Rasmussen’s polling is accurate- (always a very open question.)
Let’s call Senator Chafee “He’s No.”
As in “he’s no Lincoln.” Makes a point about his being a gooper in the bluest state in the union, and hearkens back to Senator Lloyd Bentsen’s “you’re no JFK…” to Dan Quayle.
Enough with these rich legacy do-nothings, or do-worsers. We need a constitutional amendment prohibiting the children of Senators and Congressmen from serving in their parents’ seat. If the kid moves elsewhere and makes his/her own name in a new locale, okay, but otherwise, forget it. We can call the exemption for those who move the “Mitt/Patrick” clause, after Romney and Kennedy. But enough with the Lisa, the Harold, the “he’s no,” and the W.
PS – Jane, I’m sorry to imply I was quoting you about “getting” the blogosphere. Them’s was my thought bubbles; it’s good to know there is back-and-forth happening….
Dems are looking pretty good for the senate- except for OHIO- where a recent poll shows DeWine making a comeback- and Tennessee where Ford is behind significantly.
Also potential trouble in New Jersey where the race is tied.
I’m hoping that the University of Cinncinnati poll is just plain wrong on DeWine.
FWIW, I’ve always considered Bob Baer to be one of the good guys – George Clooney’s Siriana was loosely based on “See No Evil”, which I thought was a great and informative read about the real “facts on the ground” in the Middle East, as opposed to the NeoCon fantasies espoused by Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Rubin, etc., etc.. Knows as much about the current realities in the ME and the players there as most anyone – haven’t seen the interview with Matthews yet so will hold comment….
Actually, i was being quite facaetious. But I just might get to be a footnote to a footnote.*g*
I mean look at “Tweety” and “Ole 60 Grit”.If Puddles somehow manages to stick…..
rwcole:
Bingo. Agree completely. It’s a party-affiliation realignment that’s looooong overdue, and it’s an appeal (moderate Republicans join the Dems) that the Dem leadership should be making, strongly, for two reasons:
1. practicality: most of the Northeastern Republicans do not share the hysterical stridency and radical extremism of the GOP caucus at large but you wouldn’t know it by how they vote, and
2. it is a very real wedge to drive in the Republican caucus that’s based primarily on the issues; let the GOP fight amongst themselves some more about what their party means; Dems can use it to both identify what they believe in and stand for and demonstrate the fractiousness of the GOP coalition; make the “moderate” Republicans defend the GOP or leave (or suffer the consquences).
Even if the “moderate” GOP do not flee the Republican Party, the appeal still undermines and underscores the “moderate” Republicans’ ambivalent existence inna party they no longer recognize. Make them defend it or leave.
Fact, it’s a lot like lake-turnover.
Metaphorically speaking, a-course, in the spring of ‘94 we got the southern Dixiecrat flight from the Dems to the GOP.
In the autumn of 2008 we could get the Eisenhower Republicans bolting the party-over-country GOP uber-alles Republicans for the sane and sensible Democrats.
Don’t misunnerstand me: The preference is to get actual progressives in office, course, like Lamont shit-canning the loathesome Lieberman.
But nothing says you can’t run progressive candidates and, if they fail to survive the primary, and if the Dem candidate loses to the “moderate” Republican in ‘06, start making appeals to the “moderate” Republicans to switch party affiliations.
Be nice to see the “divide and conquer” tactic foisted on someone else for a change.
Remember Shelby from Alabama in ‘94? Day after Republicans took control of Congress, Shelby switched party ID from Dem to Republican.
Be nice to have that in the air for 2006, so if Dems post similar results in the Congressional elections, it’ll provide rhetorical cover for any of the “moderate” Republicans who (unfortunately) survived the turn-over to switch party ID and still be useful for Dem caucusing.
Busted- I love “Puddles”.
It’s sticky, I think.
rwcole-I understand it’s about the issues. I think if one party is stronger in supporting the issue you’re fighting for while the other guts legislation designed to support your issue, why support the people who are affilated with the party that works against you.
There is an opportunity to take back the Senate and opportunity is a rare window that closes very quickly. It’s better in my opinion to do what you can and go through the window before it closes.
Of course the tactic favored by the groups endorsing Chaffee only works if Democrats support him when he votes against GOP supported legislation. One wonders what the Sierra Club would do if Senate Dems told them to take a hike and stop opposing Bush and the Republicans.
Wow. Now that’s responsiveness.
Guess I’ll make a pitch too, then.
How about some future love for tagging Ann Coulter’s slavering rabid-dog act as “Ol’ Yeller’s Last Reel”?
To the best of my knowledge, it’s original.
If you don’t like it, no worries, but I got a kick outta it and wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
(Ain’t heard much from Marcus Annelius lately, tho’.)
O/T
Cozumel. MCGee, * Mui
– here’s another good spook source – think he may even know Baer. Lots of Mideast time
and it shows – he was talking about Iraq having no army at least 8 months before James Fallows/Atlantic Monthly
and is often employed as “high placed intelligence sources” by Sy Hersh
http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html
Bustedknuckles – “Puddles” – LOL!
Chaffee’s in the Senate, so I guess that’s why he’s not House-trained. I hear they’ve got practice hydrants in the GOP Caucus room.
(uh oh, don’t want to start a Late Nite tangent just yet)
with Blair, the Preznit’s got his Poodle — with Chaffee, his Puddles !
Teddy — oh no, I probably didn’t explain it very well.
OT but I just got off the phone with a friend in CT- we didn’t have time to talk much- I just but after wishing her happy birthday we got into politics- me pitching for Lamont. He is not so much on her radar screen, but I will keep at it. She is involved in a CT group that is working hard to defeat 3 CT Rep. reps in Nov. and feels very optimistic that at least 2 will go. I forgot to ask if the group had a web presence, but maybe someone out there knows? Or has info about the races?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..9shays.htm
===A nasty Connecticut race has national significance
Targets. But in this wealthy, Democrat-leaning district north of New York City, Shays’s war support and rematch with a potent opponent have made him one of the year’s most vulnerable incumbents. Diane Farrell, an aggressive Democrat, came within 14,160 votes of knocking him off two years ago when the district went for John Kerry over Bush by nearly 19,000 votes. This time, she’s getting big support from national strategists who have a bull’s-eye on Shays and other moderate northeastern Republicans, including two others from the state, Nancy Johnson and Rob Simmons.===
Great post. The insider lobbying groups really are a problem, and they need to be taught some whupass lessons.
Busted – ‘Puddles’ is perfect !
cbl,
Thanks, I’ll check it out! I read See No Evil on the recommendation of a friend of mine in the Intel community that knows Baer. I thought it was excellent.
Thank you Jane.It does have a nice ring to it.
For you New Yorkers (I hope I’m not EPU’d): What is Mike Bloomberg up to? Running for president as an Independent? I know it’s too too wishful thinking that he would want to become part of the Herd of Cats when he has been an executive officer, but I’d love to see him run for US Senate as an Independent on an anti-war platform this November.
I received campaign literature today for a woman running for local county supervisor. The literature says that she is endorsed by the local Sierra Club. The small print at the bottom states that major funding for this campaign is provided by Chevron, ConocoPhilips and Tesoro. Aaargh!
I think today’s Sierra Club must make John Muir roll over in his grave.
George #24: I like the Wilderness Society, too.
I have never heard of campaign disclosure statements like that! It must be some odd law peculiar to your state…
Segment on the Lehrer NewsHour today re something called Unity08 – bunch of “non-ideological centrists” trying to find a third way for the presidential election. Hamilton Jordan and some Repub were the interviewees. Maybe this is the vehicle for McLieberCain. It’s nothing I’d ever vote for. Anybody else hear that piece?
Max Boot-head recommends the US send in the Hessians…I mean…Blackwater mercenaries to clean up Darfur.
Maybe they can make some neat videos to Johnny Cash tunes as they shoot up civilians too!
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..;cset=true
-GSD
punaise @ 4:55 pm (#66) – They’ve been making the rounds recently. Someone mentioned them in a discussion yesterday. Near as I can tell, they’re really trying to form the “consultants’ party” or some such. Jim “Pool Boy” VanDeHei wrote an article about them yesterday in the WaPo. He seemed quite enthralled with the idea, which just makes me even more suspicious that it’s really just more of the same warmed over.
fwiw, the Hessians* are actually in Afghanistan. The Germans have troops there…
*Hesse: a German state
Cujo359 – sounds about right. They did have a pretty good take on the effect of wedge issues.
*Hesse: a Hermann state
Chafee is the one playing the game, but one wishes the Sierra Club and others were smarter about it. One also wishes the Democrats were smarter about it, too. The central assumption in all this is that Democrats = environmentalism, but that’s not a safe assumption at all. Sustainability should be the goal, rather than mere environmentalism, and whichever party talks that talk and walks that walk is the one that gets voted the vote.
I’d love to see the Republicans earnestly take on sustainability as a major policy goal. That would be a watershed; environmentalism would then officially be an antiquated political movement of the past.
Puddles Chafee. I love it. Yes, I understand that he’s better than most Republicans, but what part of “Majority Leader McConnell” do these people not understand? The answer, I suspect, is that they do. The problem with established interest groups is that they are established. Their professional leaders start putting institutional fundraising — which after all supports them — above the goals for which the group originally formed. It’s a classic agency-costs problem, inevitable perhaps, but ArthurKC is absolutely right. If you want to understand what these groups are doing, follow the money.
OTs from below threads.
lhp – I left you a post in the “face the music” thread. From below thread – I believe that Harlequin has rights on the abridged Starr Report.
Anne – re: Lamont and Republican votes. I don’t know CT, but I do know anti-war Republicans (they aren’t everywhere, but my understanding is that they are at least as prevalent, if not more so, in CT than other states) and I’d say Lamont would have a good shot at those if the other options are basically too pro war and too anti choice. To be blunt and not PC, the fact that Ned is a businessman, white, stable family – he gives the right “face” to the narrative. They aren’t going to believe that he will go too far, and they are losing the Bushlove and see things happening economically and socially that make them want someone a step away from Bush, but not someone who seems threatening.
JMO, no empirical support.
Ruby T and ck – interesting things below. The plea on coingate – could there be a bit of cooperation that is going hand in hand with that? The prosecutor’s statement in the paper is pretty in your face about the election – it almost does sound like there might be more to come. ??
RSS/XML Feeds!
Sorry for harping but I can’t help it. I’m hooked! I’m a junkie! And my dealer (you guys) isn’t getting the word out that there’s new and quality product available!
Damn it… I needs me some FDL Headlines! But your RSS/XML feed is still on the Mo’ Music thread from two nights ago. Imm telling you, “Re-Publish Blog” is a MAGIC button. It mainlines your drug right into the Progressive/Liberal vein.
FDL and C&L are literally side by side with WaPo and NYT on my RSS/XML headline news feeds. Let’s face it, if NYT is the “Paper of Record” than FDL is the “Blog of Record!”
Please re-publish FDL after each post or at the very least on a daily basis. That way I won’t have to remind myself to keep checking in throughout the day. I hate having to remind myself to feed my feed my monkey! This way, I’ll have the headline delivered right to my Google Home Page. A junkies’ dream! You’re fans (or at least THIS fan) will love you more than we already do!
And to think that I missed a chance to chat directly with Ned Lamont from 7,000 miles away. We’re jones’ing out here so how bout hookin’ a brother up? :-)
I just popped back in from DKos and Ned Lamonts live blogging. To me, This has to be one of the most fantastic things to come down the pike.Pose a question, make a statement, and Mr. Ned Lamont himself answers it in almost real time! Unheard of!And I DO like his responses. A real Guy, not some party hack boiled in Pac money with a fine crust of Lobbyist special interests.
Punaise: way clever! — I just had to use my magical powers to make that slight correction…
Herman is a Munster state of cheesy sit-com whereas Hermann is an existential state of Hesse.
(And doubting Thomas is kindred state of Mann.)
yes Busted,
a veritable lovefest over at Kos for Ned and rightly so – nothing but straight responses from the guy = someone puhleeze get Marshall Whittman the smelling salts !
unity08? I think the only success they might have would come from media divas who slobber all over them. The BushCo crowd has so politiczed, partisanized and dishonestly ideologized every issue that figuring out to balance a checkbook is now an ideological issue. I’d like to see what this unity08 bunch’s platform consists of.
Same with Hillary’s idea of some kind of magical mind meld of Democratic think tanks and DLC consultancy yellow puddles, with the DLC being the mystic center of it, in some vague way. Sounds like a waste of time. If the DLC wants to create a unified set of ideas, let them present theirs and they can argue them through normal discussion, deliberation and negotiation with everyone else. They are new Democrats who like market-driven fixes, so they need not fear the market place of ideas. I’m interested in hearing some of the DLC’s ideas and taking whatever is good. I have no interest in a boilerplate mush-zombie walking around with the words “unity” or “non-ideological” or “non-paritsan” stamped on its forehead. All it would be good for is target practice. Easy to kill, since you wouldn’t have to hit it in the head to kill it. It would disintigrate at the first loud noise out of the pundits.
Again, these people are deluded. You could say 1+1=2, put in your platform. And if went over with the public, BushCo would launch a bizarre drugged-out partisan in time for the afternoon news shows.
*ilson- if you have magical powers could you check comments in moderation pls ;)
meant to say
launch a bizarre drugged-out partisan (and dishonest, rabid attack) in time for the afternoon news shows.
BushCo would also launch a disgraceful smear on whoever dared suggest 1 1=2 as well. So much for non-partisan. When the BushCo wing of the GOP is broken and defeated, we will have the luxury of civilized political discourse across parties once again. I was deluded about this for the first couple of years of BushCo. Then Iraq happened. End of story for this radicalized standard issue moderate. Well, OK, I’m a wild lefty now, but as far as I can tell I didn’t walk anyplace and I am not the one pulling the rug out from everyone who tries to discuss anything in reasonable moderate way.
Cujo and Punaise
I saw THE News Hour piece,too. I think “consultant’s party” pretty much sums it up
#82,
When the BushCo wing of the GOP is broken and defeated, we will have the luxury of civilized political discourse across parties once again.
I wish it would be so, but, Imho, The current batch of seated Dem’s to me,are like a broken, whipped dog. The best case scenario I see is a pissed off Pomeranian.I am hoping against hope that they will actually go after ALL of the injustices and outright crimes that have been commited by the current Mis- Administration.
well somebody has the magic touch – the “Herman” in my #71 has been corrected “Hermann”. Was that you, Huckermill? LOL
OT – Jane, I was just over at the Firedoglake store, and I noticed the sample t-shirt pictures still listed the blogspot url instead of the current one. Have the designs been updated to reflect the new site?
“I believe that Harlequin has rights on the abridged Starr Report.”
LMAO.
*ilson @ 77 – oh, I get it now….duh. so you’re the guy behind the curtain!
o/t
RFK, Jr. 10 page Rolling Stone splash – Ohio 04 elections “stolen” – magazine planning big publicity splash to accompany article
- love the Lou Harris quote
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002891.htm
#1 selling Dixie Chicks on Larry King in 10 minutes (EST).
Also, fcuk bush.
cbl,
In a nice coincidence,Bob(soon to be ,drop the sponge) Ney pleaded guilty to three counts today.
Chip away at the stone.
yay dixie chicks!!!
and fitzy chicks like all the gals here!
whoo boy, KO going at Katie and the media!
I guess noone can expect anything from the LCV since they’re endorsing Lieberman last time I heard.
Still trying not to panic over Iran.
This is a shorter version of what got EPU’d prior thread at 111.
WaPo had Ned at 13% on April 11 among Dems. That means Ned was 55 points behind on April 11.
Five weeks later in the CT Primary, May 19, Ned captured 33% of the vote. In about 36 days Liebermann’s lead shrank from 55 points to 34 points. Joe’s losing more than half a point every day. At that rate, 68 days after May 19, about July 27, Ned and Joe are tied. If the trend continues after July 27, Ned is up six or seven points on Primary day, August 9.
Please feel free to check my numeracy. This is all based on a continuation of the current trend.
Who else would be such an insufferable as to take a prime shot like you done made and use it solely as an excuse for a punx-tension.
Nice one on the original, btw.
mui, what’s the LCV?
Actually, it should have been, ‘Pick up the sponge, Bob’.
cbl 79 — that’s funny. Yeah it is a lovefest, Pelosi would kill for those kinds of commnents.
cbl @ 5:42 pm (#89) – If Kennedy can build a credible case, this will be fascinating to watch. So far, all I’ve seen is that there’s no solid proof one way or the other. This is one of the problems I have with the current voting machines – there’s no way to validate either the design or the results. Most of the articles I’ve read on the Ohio 2004 elections read like your standard conspiracy-theory nonsense – cherry pick the information, ignore countervailing facts that are as credible, etc. Hopefully, he’s built a case that can stand up to skeptical scrutiny.
I’ll be looking for that Rolling Stone at the bookstore.
Huckermill – thx- I caught up with you at the tail end of Late Nite thread.
Mary
WOW! Double wow.
I don’t even know where to reply. I agree with you about there not being any heroes. They are just men, doing the best they can with what they’ve got.
Somebody else said the other day that they resented people on these threads turning Fitz into some kind of football hero.
I don’t resent it, actually I am thrilled to see him have so much support. I do worry sometimes when expectations seem to get overblown. Even if he makes winnable cases against every person who broke any law (including jaywalking) involved in outing Valrie Plame, the rest of our problems will still be here and our Constitution will still be in the shredder.
I think your next to last paragraph sums it up well
Once again, you’re blowing the doors off.
The Carl Pope letter of the Sierra Club endorsement of Chafee from April 20 is here:
http://www.sierraclub.org/carl….._index.asp
His thesis it seems is that they need to support Chafee because he’s the only environmentalist on the Republican side whereas all the Democrats are. Yeah, there’s a hole in that logic that you could drive a Mack truck through. There were also 43 responses. By my count 15 for, the rest against. My favorite was one that said basically: Bipartisanship on the environment? Do you think this is 1950?
John Casper @ 5:58 pm (#95) – That vote on May 19 was the CT Democratic convention, not a poll of registered or likely voters. Apples and oranges, IOW. Some of our poll watchers may have more recent data of a similar kind.
I am feeling ridiculous because I can’t even figure out how to post comments at Daily Kos.
‘We will not walk in fear, of one another. This is no time…To keep silent.
OT – Just saw a piece on the border issue. The California National Guard says they have yet to receive a mission statement or an exit strategy concerning their deployment to the border. No one seems to know what’s going on.
I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were the commanders. It was, after all, just a publicity stunt. W’s m.o.
Zennurse, don’t know if that’s the proper abbreviation for:League of Conservation Voters. But I saw others use it, so . . .(no I wouldn’t jump off a bridge if others did.)
#107,
Iraq redux.
Thanks Cujo.
The most recent polling data from Rasmussen, through rwcole on prior thread, is even better for Ned. According to it Ned was only down 20 points on May 5. According to the CT Dem convention, Ned was down 34 points on May 19.
rw was agnostic about the reliability of the Rasmussen numbers.
Well meta, I remember there was talk here in CT of using National Guards here. And I thought how? They sent some to Iraq etc. Also isn’t hurricane season coming waay to soon for all this *knock on wood.*
In the pic, Lincoln is wearing his dad’s suit.
Too big for him.
Mui, Leave Kos comments to the Kosovars. You will be much happier — and much more appreciated — here, I believe. But if you choose that path, be warned, it is a male testosterone zone where the primary (only?) emotion expressed is anger.
Cujo @ 100
Rolling Stone article will be available online
tomorrow
Mui- Kos comments
1. Login (upper right sidebar/front page)
2. Bottom of comments section offers ‘post a comment’ button/prompt
3. You can edit your comment w/ Preview option
mui 105 – to post comments at DKos you have to be a registered user, or whatever it’s called. Not too difficult to set up, IIRC.
new thread – new netizen
OK *ilson, I see how it is. Mr. Inside Knowledge gets the advanced tip-offs on new threads, huh? :~)
meta #107: This everyone’s chance to see how well Arnold the Gubernator can do the superhero thing in real life. You know, tiptoe and slither and dance around intersecting laser death rays and torn-up mine fields. And then, at the crucial moment charge through the mortal danger, grab the initiative and defeat the enemy (which is suspect in this case is BushCo immigration stunts). Only problem is that is putative cast of supporting characters doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens: Bush is too incompetent and selfish to worry, and CA GOP too crazy. CA GOP is playing underpants gname game (remember that?) in CA politics -we got a moderate elected, something magic will happen, and Californians will love our read raw meat.
I bet the Gubernator has a corps of consultants studying Wilson, prop 187, prop 209, and doing it 24/7. This is dangerous for his election hopes.
What should the Dems do? I am sure the CA Dems will do something, but what should the national Dems do?
I don’t know about the Sierra Club, but a lot of these not for profit issue advocay groups ar 501 c 3 charities. If they only endorse Dems they can lose their tax status and be considered to have violated campaign finance laws.
So, the search high and low for a Republican they can try to stomach. Also, if they got a Rep to go to bat for them and then, when he needs them, they break faith with him; it screws them in future because they are npot seen as stand up
I have major faith in immanentize’s wisdom. I may just hang here for a while. Although I did want to cheerlead.
#119: you may have a point. I cannot keep track of which are 501c3 vs the other numbered versions though. For certain charities this does seem like an issue. Can anyone fill me in?
Speaking as an age-old blogging veteran @ daily kos with precisely one post to my credit (natch), I can tell you definitively that you must register first.
If you’ve registered already, you must wait 24 hours.
If you’ve waited the requisite 24 hours since registration, then I’ve just exhausted my complete storehouse of useful information.
Takes a week before you gets diary rights, I guess.
…………
My very firstest post at dkos (woohoo!):
Bush, As Ever, Got It Backwards (3 / 0-)
Recommended by: DarkSyde, onp67, llbear
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Junior got his frat-boy bravado backwards.
It’s far more accurate to invert the order of appearance of two of his most (in)famous lines:
First:
“Bring ‘Em On!”
then:
“Mission Accomplished!”
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(The world Junior hath wrought is no less tragic, but it makes more sense that way.)
You know immanentize, I think I must have registered at DailyKos, but can’t remember exactly. Does that say something about the psychology here? I think you are right.
I don’t spend much time at DKos anymore, just read the front page stuff mostly. They do great work, but it just takes too much psychic energy to follow the comments.
See, there’s this other blog that’s caught my attention….
Mui,
I should not be so hard on Daily Kos, it is just that, after some weird exchanges in which I supported Jane here at Kos in the earlier days of FDL and was trashed for it, I have always felt that bullying was much more a part of the culture there than reason. I check in every day, but I just choose to talk among friends.
Here.
I don’t get to participate at FDL half as much as I want to (or anywhere near the amount I lurk) due to work, child, family, writing projects, tiredness, etc. But I can say — for me — participating on Kos made me more agitated and irritable while participating at FDL makes me feel better equipped to deal.
“Moultered Coulter”
Damn. Yer right. Nice one. I could crawl under a rock and just die for shame not to seen it.
Think there’s a ballad in there somewheres:
[sing along, now, you know the tune:]
Ann Coulter’s Undead Zombie Lies A-Moultering in the Grave …”
The thing about daily kos is that if you don’t comment for a while, you get un-registered.
Punaise #117- no, actually, I happen to know that that is not the case. No cheating from *ilson. *ilson has had a long long history of giving the threads up! I have always found it mystifying. Perhaps that is why he has been granted magical powers.
VG, actually my observation was tongue in cheek. Still, I couldn’t resist the set-up. it was all in the timing vis-a-vis my #71 and after. cheers!
looseheadprop says:
May 31st, 2006 at 6:19 pm
wesgpc says: “Can anyone fill me in?”
May 31st, 2006 at 6:21 pm
A 501(c)(4) nonprofit could be considered, and there may be other possibilities; contributions to it are nondeductible.
Has it occured to any of y’all that the Sierra Club and LCV are not arms of the Democratic Party? You are partisan activists for the Dems; they’re partisan activists for the environment. Chafee, whatever his particular failings, has a far better voting record than a whole lot of Dems. Maybe y’all will take both houses in a historic sweep and usher in an era of sweetness and environmental progress. And, er, maybe not, and if the Club and other enviros screw the few remaining moderate Republicans who’ve supported them (for the most part) thus far, they’ll be even more screwed than they are now.
How come Puddles Chafee and FauxNews anchor Steve Doocy are never seen at the same time? Just wondering
Unity 08 played a little lip service to the net – not sure if they are talking about the ‘ Rathergate’ net crowd though. That is all so far in the net past now too that it’s not funny.
Soon after that skuzzy hightide for the right blogosphere more people came online from outside Amerka than were in it and so the political plumb levels started correcting.
The blonde in the middle was weird – she framed one question as the people being sick of radicaly polarized politics…wtf!?
To have polarization you have to have an opposition!
So this unity 08 is centrust us when we move the center off to the lunar right and throw in a little net condescension. ( Oh and check the voting machines and ATM’s wontcha while yr at it) I don’t see any retreat to the Murtha line and a full strategic review of the entire Middle East.
I don’t see a Perot style balance the budget play.
I don’t see a sane universal health cover plan.
I don’t see any long overdue anti-corruption play.
I don’t see any progressive tax proposals – like a stiff estate tax.
I don’t see this bunch getting the cops out of the bedrooms let alone the living rooms of a lot of poor Amerkins.
I don’t see any energy sanity.
Public transport? Infrastructure? Real security?
Nothing much too see here folks – maybe you should move on. Someone forgot to rope in Jesse V from Minn. Thats the sort of unity 08 for which they have a cryin’ need.