Fitz?

(pssst: minor typo in last line: “principed stand”)

Oh JANE!!!! What a delicious roundup! You have been busy! Such good news! !!!!! (Can you tell I am lovin’ seeing a certain someone twist in the wind? Is that the correct expression?)

Lieberman is seriously desperate. He’s been so cocky and smug these last few years, he never saw this coming.

I’m finding this unspeakably delicious.

VG — I’ve got no pocket full of miracles that guarantee a Lamont win, but I think we can all rest pretty well asured that Lieberman and the DLC will suffer much before this is all over. Should be an interesting week with Tester and Winograd running in primaries; their opponents had all the money and institutional Democratic support, so any showing they make will bode well.

Oh and three cheers for VG who has been on heroic spam/troll patrol. If these threads are free from online gambling, pharmacies, mortgates and insurance scams in addition to racist hate speech, we all have her to thank.

Joementum, the burning sensation when you’re on the can.

Racist Hate Speech, in America? I’m shocked!

I hope you’re right, Jane – I hope he bolts, ’cause I can’t see any way that helps him. What’s he gonna do, whine that he had to leave the party because what he believes in isn’t what the Democrats believe in? Everything that comes out of his mouth is going to have people saying, “Gee, this guy sounds like REPUBLICAN.” And that’s why we don’t boo-hoo that he was “forced” by his principles to leave – it’s why we tell him not to let the door hit him on his whiny little ass when he finally owns up to what the rest of us have known for at least 6 years – that the Democratic party doesn’t need Republicans in disguise. You wanna be a Democrat? Then start hearing what the Democrats are saying they expect from their Democratic Senator. It for sure isn’t more war and “gurneys to go.”

considering Nancy Johnson’s Congressional District is a prime target of the DCCC and all Connecticut Democrats, Joe parading with her is a direct affront. He made no friends to the left of Newt Gingrich with that stunt !

Jane – are Lamont ads running yet? (I’m outta date with a lotta news) or are they holding for closer to the primary?

My mom, who is a pretty savvy voter in New Haven, was worried that the Lieberman ads were very appealling to working class voters – heavy emphasis on constituency service, etc so I wondered if you can say anything about the ad strategy …

It was a bit disorienting for me to see Republican concern-troll Barry Casselman’s description of ourselves as “the Internet hard left.”

Upon reading that, I look at my sedate 55-year-old self in the mirror and think, “Say what?” In my day, the “hard left” consisted of Abbie Hoffman, the Panthers, et al.

If folks with our political views have become the hard left, what does that say about the extremes of the hard right? Scary stuff.

“Maybe put it on the agenda for the next blogger ethics panel.”
LMAO
Jim Church Lady Brady has been keeping an awfully low profile.

Joe needs some real help this time and I’m certain that Bush would be more than happy to make an appearance or two for his Favorite Dino. How about it JOE!

One reason Joe’s w/Nancy Johnson is they are both in trouble.

Moveon ran a spot I saw (sound muted, so I could’t tell what the ‘overt’ message was) that had Nancy and a bunch of others in blipvert style rapid fire stills with a hand raised. Including Bush. The hands were red. I connected it with the Lady of the Scottish play, and the war. Turns out it was about being caught accepting ‘red-handed’ donations from lobbying on Rx bill(s).

Immediately following this ad was Johnson’s own attack ad on her presumptive challenger. According to the Hartford Advocate, her negative ad has RAISED the Dems numbers:

http://www.hartfordadvocate.co…..oid:154100

maybe they could send Ken Mehlman to CT to help him cement that HRC endorsement of Lieberman?

Uck, what a sorry guy Lieberstall is! I once had a VIP boss who told me, “I hate surprises.” That was all he had to say. Looks like poor little Joe doesn’t have anyone looking out for him. Those headlights are pretty bright.

What a sad day. So much death and injury in the news. On public transportation today I overheard a conversation about Gore and his new film. The man was saying that he was praying that Gore would run for President because he has such an eloquent passion for speaking, especially compared to what we have to listen to now. He said he could never vote for Hillary. Someone a few seats down shouted, “I can’t stand that woman! Gore 2008!” A couple seconds later another person yelled, “Forget it, HIlary!” And then another, “Gore is Da Man!” And another, “VOTE!” It was quite amusing. We’re on a roll.

I had a case of Joementum last week%u2014it cauterized my hemorrhoids!

Dale, yeah, I was thinking Symbionese Liberation Front!

OT, but there’s a Dkos diary encouraging folks to read Eric Boehlert’s book which is in the queue for FDL’s Book Salon. Please recommend the diary if you’re so inclined.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/29/192125/527

Just returned from a long weekend in Provincetown Mass. While I was there, I saw three people with Ned Lamont t-shirts and clipboards asking folks if they were Connecticut residents. I’m not, but I told the woman who stopped me that I made a donation to Lamont and she was happy. Just a good sign.

I have to have confidence that Lamont’s honest and much more direct statements on his platform are going to reach out and grab voters who are tired of Joe’s stupid shilly shallying rhetoric about what a good guy he’s been. That’s been, Joe, you haven’t been a good guy for CT Dems for a long, long time, because you haven’t been a Dem at all.

I mean, really…

Does Lieberman want to win? Or is he shooting for martyr of the left so he can run as VP to McCain on a “unity” ticket?

Jes askin’

If Joe Bolts, 1/2 of a new party ticket is ready. John McCain bolts the Repugs, and voila,a new third party is created. The party of “your old party has lost all respect for you and who gives a shit if you leave”! Both these politicians have whored themselves to the benefit of a powerful minority over the will of their constituents.

I had some people in my church on the Cape yesterday who were visiting from CT. T asked them if they were supporting Ned. They were surprised I knew about him. And yes, they thought well of him. Time for Joe to Go.

Nit-picker in shief:

Symbionese Liberation Army.

Go Tanya!!

Lieberman has a fundamental problem…how to reconcile his oath of office as a U.S. Senator to promote the interests of the American people with his personal commitment to promote the interests of the NeoCon lobby in Washington. Part of his problem is that the NeoCon agenda for transforming the Middle East through American military intervention now has little appeal to American taxpayers. Today, most Americans would prefer to focus on rebuilding New Orleans rather than supporting the AIPAC agenda. Time for Lieberman to move to South Florida and reflect on missed opportunities.

immanentize, you so rule.

Wow. Lamont’s people are THINKING.

PTown at the official start of summer.

A VERY good sign.

Meanwhile, Joe’s stuck with ’shoring up’ his base. By parading his bipartisanhip w/Nancy Johnson. Who seems as weak in her district as Joe is statewide. They share the same base – the ‘centrist’ voter, who I think is becomong either oxymoronic or jurassic.

The Hay festival in England that someone mentioned was just described on radio. Gore and his film are making a big impression there. It is a lefty lit festival and Clinton spoke there calling it “The Woodstock of the Mind” which they now use in their advertising as a slogan. They interviewed Terry Jones (M Python) who just wrote a book comparing the Roman Empire to American politics; he said he hoped Gore would run, that he would vote for him if he could.

You can download podcasts of some of the speakers here:

http://www.hayfestival.com/archive/

Gore isn’t there, but there’s Graydon Carter, Seamus heaney, Germaine Greer and others.

I haven’t looked around to see what happened with the film at Cannes, but there was a lot of buzz about it last week, a very good thing.

I find it hard to believe that the Vice-Presidential candidate of the Democratic Party in 2000 would bolt in the event he lost the primary. That he might well be tempted to (and his Congressional staff are surely well tempted) does not surprise me; but it would suprise me if he actually pulled the trigger. What platform would he run on? On most issues he has voted with the caucus. He would be dead meat in a three-way campaign.

Lieberman’s problem is that he has taken support for the Democratic Party in Connecticut as support for him. Think again, Joe.

OT Don’t care a thing about Joe, not for years, but English now . . . in defense of English as a national language Part VI

This is addressed to the ordinary Americans among us, to all you schlemiels and schlimazels, nebbishes, nudniks, klutzes, putzes, schlubs, schmos, as well as schmucks, nogoodniks, and momzers, and I might add any golems, and dybbuks that happen to be lurking out there in the crowd.

Just wanted to say that like you, I get mamish sentimental when I think about English and its place in our society. To tell the truth, it makes me so verklempt I’m fit to plotz. That’s why this whole schmeer gets me so broiges when I hear these mavens and luftmenschen kvetching about it as our national language. What chutzpah! These schmegeges can schlep their schlock about the cultural and linguistic diversity of our country and of English itself but I for one am not buying their shtick. It’s all so much dreck as far as I’m concerned. I exhort you all to be Mensches about this and stand up to their fardrayt arguments and meshugganah farschtrunken assertions. It wouldn’t be kosher to do anything else. Remember when all is said and done we have English and they have bubkes.

Note: My spelling is good patriotic American spelling. Yours may vary.

WAG: By this fourth of July, Lieberman will have replaced either Rumsfeld or Cheney in the corrupt Bush Administration.

hrc@hrc.org is the email address of the Human Rights Campaign. I just sent them an email on the subject of their non-support of Lamont/support of Joe L. Perhaps if everyone just took them time to send them an email they might reconsider and come out in support of Lamont? Does that seem possible? I keep thinking that little actions by a lot of us can mean a lot.

One last comment about the hard left _–

Where is this country’s “Subcommander Marcos?”

I take seriously the complaints that the left has generally lost its ideological and motivational edge. We are all sorta middle-class status quo promoters. That is not a terrible thing, it is antithetical to what Bush stands for and is certainly “progressive” in todays terms. But let us not kid ourselves — or anyone else — that we are somehow radical revolutionaries. Oddly, in that truth lie both our power and our ultimate failure.

Unless, of course, some of you are on board for teh revolution of rising expectations….

What’s the calculus if Joementum runs as an independent? Does he split the right/right-center vote with the Repub, letting Ned sqeak in with a total in the high 30’s? Or does Lieberman take the center/left-center/right/center and a bit of the left to squeak it out himself? Or does a threeway allow the Republican to win? Is there a runoff if no majority? Anyone? Anyone? Connecticut Bob?

I think, iirc, the local Fox Sunday talker yesterday w/two white male reporters, at least one of whom was H. Courant, both thought if Joe went Indy, he’d win.
——
Was trying to see what the status for a debate is and found this:

http://www.newhavenindependent….._deba.html

…”How does the candidate intend to capture the votes of average Democrats, not just insiders? “An old-fashioned, grassroots, democratic effort,” said Lamont.”
—–
I think a debate is on the table for now, but nothing agreed. I have a feeling Joe’s finding a way to finesse a refusal.

Lieberman, in the end, hopefully, will have much to answer for. Chief among his crimes is his lackyism for the Israeli government in that governments’ horrible, and Nazi like treatment of the Palestinians. Lieberman has been a conduit for procuring nuclear weaponery and financial and political support from this country for Israeli Prime Minister Sharon and his gestapo thugs. Senator Lieberman has been instrumental in supporting Israel’s construction of the so-called re-location camps (gulags), theft of Palestinian land, building of huge concrete and razor fences, torture, deprivation of medicine, the closing of Palestinian schools, and the starvation of a long oppressed people. He, Bush, and Cheney, along with many others in the United Sates should be condemned and tried for genocide against the Palestinians. Lieberman was a prime mover of the American invasion of Iraq, and is even now acting behind the scenes to prod the U.S. into an even bigger mistake. The attacking of Iran. There are so many reasons to get rid of Joe Lieberman. He is a stain on this nation’s integrity. History will one day treat this man with the vulgar contempt he so richly deserves.

OT: The freepers are here, downstairs. I knew they would not be able to resist that post.

Go insult their cowardice if you like, or ignore them, as you choose. Normally, I don’t like to engage these trolls, but I smacked some around, as I’m in a fighting mood wrt my morning post.

Pach, great post today. The graphic is one of the best I’ve ever seen on this topic. Kudos.

OfT:

Chait in the LATimes: the left won’t forgive Hillary her pandering to the center; the center won’t welcome her because she’s divisive. The moderates are focusing on her electability, and progressives don’t like that she’s compromised her views. Because we’re so unforgiving of compromise, don’tcha know.

Also, liberals leave “An Inconvenient Truth” wishing Gore were President before getting the central message that global warming is scary. Dim, emotional liberals….

http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..commentary

Hugh- thank you for part VI- I love especially those particular posts of yours. They are just so brilliant. I can’t think of any place other than FDL where I might be treated to such wit and knowledge. Yours on the language, and more generally to all of the great comments and articles by JH, CHS aka RH, Pach, Matt O., etc. etc.

Mmm…speaking as somebody who was around at the time, the SWP was considered the hard (old) left; Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, et al. were considered inspired kibbitzers, and the Panthers were sui generis — leftists when it suited them, but certainly not theorists, except when it came to their one central, and IMHO brilliant idea, that it was a mistake for white folks to think that black folks would turn the other cheek forever, regardless of the provocation.

The SLA, who knows? Most new left types I knew at the time considered them loonies, who borrowed liberationist rhetoric as a pathetic cover for their own self-immolation.

Hugh’s comments throughout the threads have been extraordinary. I nominate them to be front-paged, all together, as a reminder of the stupidity of our national legislature legislating language.

Thanks, Hugh.

WRT Indy Joe: he has to file all them signatures the day after the primary, which means he’ll have to be gathering signatures for an independent run, while campaigning as a dem against Ned. What is Chuck gonna think about that? How is this gonna work?

if lieberman bolts the party we will have a party

he has been one of the most damaging republicans that we face and it will be a good thing when he sheds his wolfe clothing and gets out of his role as judas sheep

and if he leaves the party, he’s going to have to run in another state, cuz conneticut ain’t voting for a repukelican once they cans see that’s all he is

OT again, but I’m still enjoying all the fresh juice Blighty’s papers squeezed today. Seems BushCo been sharing “incites” again, so now not only 20 fed’l agencies but such worthies as Pfizer, Mars, GM and Intel love them some faux news too:

“Bush ‘planted fake news stories on American TV’
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 29 May 2006

“Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies’ products.

“Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.

“The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items. … “

http://news.independent.co.uk/…..621189.ece

Too bad we’re not seeing this all over OUR news, but good on CfM&D anyhow (oh and aha, there ’tis up-top at HufPo). Keep stirring the pot and we’ll get there . . .

Pach, I like munching troll, which thread?

My best guesstimate on a 3-way race with Holy Joe as an Independent would result in an easy Lamont win.

Most of Joe’s local Democratic support would feel so righteously betrayed if he fled the party that they’d jump right on the Ned-wagon. Plus, those voters might actually take a moment to hear Ned’s message and come to the conclusion that he’s the best man for the job.

Joe’s only realistic chance is to remain a Democrat (in name only) and bet “all-in” on the primary. Either he wins or he loses, but either way it’ll be all over by August 9th (the day after the primary).

Hugh: ROFL!

Reminds me of that character in A Mighty Wind, the “Swedish” Jew who kept speaking “yiddish” words. Very visual joke, blond hair, blue eyes. Hysterical.

Jane- no, no guarantees, but the fact that Lamont’s senate bid in CT is really shaking things up all ’round is quite wonderful to behold.

Thank you to the spam monitor!

Hi Bob Adams! Well, those are certainly very encouraging comments from you, on the ground there in CT. And, you certainly have had the opportunity to hear a lot first hand. Thanks.

TSF- #43 I second that! Or it not, perhaps Jane can find Hugh a publisher for the English series. Or, a post at Arianna?

Oilfieldguy:

That’s a good point. After a bit of reflecting, my take on the reporters yesterday (who both thought Joe was in trouble, primary wise, because the ‘activist’ likely primary voter (200,000 cited) were NOT his base) were just jumping to project Joe as Indy is a ‘Joe wins anyway’ scenario.

I’m not convinced. Last fall, ‘who could have imagined’ Joe would be forced into defending a primary challenge?

apropos SLA: Bill and Emily Harris were sincere ultra-leftists. I knew them from their Indiana days but they went off to California. When the SLA burst on the scene, I remarked that the SLA sounded like some wild folk I had known in Bloomington. Within days, the FBI came knocking and asked if I might possibly know where they were. I didn’t.
This crowd at FDL in general is center-left : “progressive” is a good, old-fashioned word that best describes FDL …

Hugh:

Oy vey!

Yes finally, yiddische al Hugh! I agree with the adoring Hugh public that this entire opus must be published somewhere. Somebody better e-connected than me, make it happen.

I really like this me to me 45:

if lieberman bolts the party we will have a party

starazagora- thanks, but Jane is being too modest about the behind the scenes efforts that she and Christy and others I don’t know have been doing day in and day out. It really was an eye-opener for me to see even a bit of what they have to deal with on the backside (racing term)! I really don’t know how they keep it up. So so amazing!!!

Pach, LGF no less, you really hit the ‘base’.

I moseyed over to witness the carnage, but they all seem to be talking to themselves, as usual. It’s on the no war on Terror post.

I kind of hope Joe does try the Independent thing, just so see what the DLC does. I think Lamont will do fine either way.

yeah! big thanks to the moderators! I really enjoy this place coz of the “civilized” comments … very few trolls and a generally high level of discourse …

oooops

Bob Adams, thanks for your insight. I had been hearing that Lamont was polling as losing against an indy Joementum, but nobody ever broke down the rationale. I’m thinking that early polling doesn’t give Ned any credit for catching up on name recognition.

*ilson, I thought maybe that was just your sense of humor getting out of hand! Bec. I’ve never seen you do THAT before!!!! xxooo

yes ilson, despite your earth shattering tag faux pas – dearth of trolls is THE best thing of fdl and always has been

I really enjoy Steve Soto and his crew at left coaster, e.g. – but they have such weird trollness there

it’s not just joe — mossad doesn’t want to lose a senate seat & will thus fight tooth & nail to elect either joe or a new neocon senator somewhere else to offset joe’s loss

mossad’s negative example is howard dean, who suffered vicious treatment from the media even though his wife is jewish, all because he wanted to have an independent foreign policy

Hey everyone,

late to the threads, hope y’all had an enjoyable holiday and didn’t shoot anyone in the face

More appropos for last thread -
A little red meat for y’all – Ed. & Pub. grips it and rips it with editorial boards of NYT, WaPo, & LATimes

linked text

it’s good to see the programming experts behind the scenes at FDL found a fix for the unclosed html tag problem.

This is too good not to share…

…MY MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO HARANGUE JOE LIEBERMAN, by shortstop

Was sitting in National Airport (won’t use the other name) yesterday morning when I looked up and there was Senator Appeaserman heading right toward me, having apparently been given a rare Sunday morning off from acting as craven, whining apologist for Bush on the talk shows…

Something big is building, brick by brick & person by person

“All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible.” – T.E. Lawrence

Thanks for the link cbl.
Speaking of Dead Eye, I pulled this off needlenose:
“Once you’ve got Baghdad, it’s not clear what you do with it. It’s not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that’s currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it’s set up by the United States military when it’s there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
%u2014 Sec. of Defense Dick Cheney, April 1991″

thanks cbl, must reading

test

People who enjoyed Hugh’s language lesson might enjoy a 1993 law review article written by Judge Alex Kozinski (9th Circuit) and Eugene Volkh. Kozinski and Volkh belong to a sect of conservatism, but the article is pretty funny. It posits that Yiddish is “supplanting Latin as the spice in American legal argot.”

*ilson #66 NO, alas re: the closed tag problem. I assume that you were joking. It has to be done manually. I really can’t understand why WP has not addressed this pain-in-the-butt. It does seem pretty basic as a likely problem.

People who enjoyed Hugh’s English language lesson might also enjoy a law review article written by Eugene Volkh and Judge Alex Kozinski (9th Circuit). They belong to a sect of conservatism, but the article is pretty funny. They posit that Yiddish is “supplanting Latin as the spice in American legal argot.”

http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/yiddish.htm

it isn’t automatic? that’s damn fast moderation then! I even tried a little test trick at the end of my comment at 66 by embolding the period but not closing it properly. I have been doing HTML by hand on a text editor for 10 years now so I’m pretty concerned about closing tags properly…

Sorry for the inept posting.

VG, thanks!

op99, I haven’t heard of any polls taken after the convention; there’s bound to be a major Lamont bump in the next round of polling. Plus the Lamont commercials didn’t start up until 3 days before the convention, which was just after the most recent polls came out. That was when Sean Smith (Lieberman’s manager) was floating public worst-case fantasy scenerios that put Ned getting up to 30% of the Democratic delegate vote.

The fact that Ned shattered all expectations and received over 33% left them stunned and grasping. Now we’re getting extremely lame attack commercials out of Joe.

We’re far from the finish of this race, but every day that Joe does something…anything…is like a gift from the gods.

OT – I’m changing my FDL handle to “Connecticut Bob”…my real name will still be on my blog’s main page for all to see, but since folks here and elsewhere know me as CT Bob, it makes sense to start posting as such.

sorry not like I think I’m some brilliant creature but I’m repeating this thought from previous thread because I feel it so strongly

Speed-slapping these sheep at their cocktail-weenie troughs is extremely necessary. However in blazing a fresh trail to truly replace and bury their bullshit, I’m struck the most by what Glenn Greenwald is doing. His book, and every word on his blog, reads to me like MLK’s Letter From a Birmingham Jail for our times. I am totally inspired by and want to emulate something of his utter freshness, simplicity and sincerity. Glenn doesn’t bother with the propaganda machine at all, he completely bypasses it in favor of establishing his own absolutely simple moral voice, over and over. This guy is not only a beautiful thinker and writer, he truly is a beacon for all of us and our true patriotic energies.

i think lieberman is shocked by all of this coz he really bought into those rumors that he was being considered to replace rumsfeld
(remember that?)

*ilson46201 May 29th, 2006 at 6:50 pm

Or liberals, if we want to spend the effort reclaiming the definition, or social democrats, if we don’t mind being confused with Europeans.

I wouldn’t want to enforce a catechism on anyone, especially since we’re trying to win elections, but at a Jim Peterson (AZ) fundraiser a couple of weeks ago, I turned to the person sitting next to me and said, “It’s okay to talk about using the government to re-distribute income; we’re Democrats.” He nodded in agreement, and replied “Taxes for the right things are okay, too.”

Afterwards, I thought, Jesus…entre nous, maybe that was alright, but would it be the right thing for a Democratic candidate to say on the campaign trail in Arizona? I doubt it. Anyway, I think I understand platform fights a little better now, anyway, and why the struggles over them forty-plus years ago seemed so self-defeating.

*ilson- no, it is not fucking automatic. I saw your little test trick at the end of #66 and fixed it pronto (I didn’t know at the time it was a test). Sorry if I misled you into thinking it was automatic. And, I know that you are very knowledgeable. NO, not automatic and I can’t imagine why WP has not fixed this fucking problem. I assume that it is a problem of WP, because I can’t imagine that there is anything specific re: FDL that would have this happen.

Two anyways? I need a copy editor. Sigh….

Connecticut Bob:

Do you have any sense of how the issue of the HRC endorsement and the GLBT issues are playing out in the race, since our piece here on it Any rumblings?

ValleyGirl:

“… racist hate speech …”

Might want to re-read #37. Likud = Gestapo is allowed here?

Tracy at 73 — wotta hoot! Thanks.

Sample graf:

There is, of course, one obvious question that must be on every reader’s mind at this juncture: what about “schmuck”? Regrettably, we were stymied in our schmuck search by the fact that many people are actually named Schmuck. This is an unfortunate circumstance for researchers, and even worse for the poor Schmucks themselves.

I don’t think it would slow down too much the comments if a string containing /b, /i, /em etc (all properly enclosed by GT & LT symbols) were automatically inserted before the text of every comment. This string would be invisible but would remove any residual unclosed tags…

Pach 38 — yeah whenever you question their manhood by pointing out that pissing themselves silly with fear whenever the Thief in Chief wants to scream “orange alert” they always come scurrying out of their bunkers.

Good jjob.

Gussie 84 — you’re absolutely right. Considering how many times the Gestapo was mentioned in that post (0) your point is well taken. Any criticism of the Likud is tantamount to Nazi-ism.

The toilet paper is over in the corner, BTW. Please clean up after yourself.

Re: #37 — I don’t see anything racist there. Hyperbole, yes, but there’s nothing saying Jews = Gestapo or Jews = anything else. Harsh and vivid criticism of Israeli policies is not racism.

What am I, hard of reading?

“Israeli Prime Minister Sharon and his gestapo thugs.”

#37.

Did anyone tell the “concern trolls” from the right that they are welcome to Lieberman?

Criticism of Israel is fine–Israel deserves a great deal of criticism.

But this is simply over the line: “… Israeli government in that governments’ horrible, and Nazi like treatment of the Palestinians. Lieberman has been a conduit for procuring nuclear weaponery and financial and political support from this country for Israeli Prime Minister Sharon and his gestapo thugs.”

Saying, ‘I didn’t call them Nazis, I called them ‘Nazi-like’ and ‘I didn’t say Gestapo, I said ‘Gestapo thugs’ is like saying that people can express Jane Hamsher-esque opinions which Jane Hamsher herself never expressed.

Could some one please tell me if this is a “full moon” night? I haven’t been outside lately.

Would it be appropriate, vis-a-vis Sharon’s political methods, to mention Sabra and Shatila here? Seems to me that in such a case, comparison with SS methods, if not with those of the Gestapo, would be warranted — with all the appropriate disclaimers, of course.

Pach #82 – So far I haven’t picked up anything, but we went right from the convention to Memorial Day weekend in a few days, and I get the impression that almost everyone is regrouping. I expect things to pick up on these issues in the next week or so. This has been a kind of an off week.

The issues are clear: Joe Lieberman has taken a strong position against gay marriage and Ned Lamont supports equal rights for all people who wish to marry. The blogs are going to keep hammering these points home; and because the local media watches the blogs, they’ll pick up the story.

there was a new moon on may 27th … there goes that theory!

*ilson– I knew I could count on you for good info.

Wow. We’re getting a little ‘fever swamp,’ here. Check out my comment history: I plead guilty to pointless and inane, but I think it’s pretty clear I’m not a troll. Or I’m GussieFN on dKos, hardly a notorious user but I’ve posted there for a while, and I don’t think I’ve been banned more than seven times.

Just delete the inappropriate comment, delete my comments referring to it, and let’s go merrily on our way without this increasingly-alarming tangent.

VG–The moon is a sliver tonight.

Blank Kludge #28: Yes, I thought it was very smart for Lamont supporters to be out and visible on Memorial Day weekend in P-Town. Plus, talk about committed….I’m guessing they took time from their vacation to work the crowd. And emphasis on crowd….the place was packed. A very good sign indeed.

Dana- And, here’s an ED for you-

THE MOON was but a chin of gold
A night or two ago,
And now she turns her perfect face
Upon the world below.

Her forehead is of amplest blond;
Her cheek like beryl stone;
Her eye unto the summer dew
The likest I have known.

Her lips of amber never part;
But what must be the smile
Upon her friend she could bestow
Were such her silver will!

And what a privilege to be
But the remotest star!
For certainly her way might pass
Beside your twinkling door.

Her bonnet is the firmament,
The universe her shoe,
The stars the trinkets at her belt,
Her dimities of blue.

http://www.bartleby.com/113/2103.html

What an incredible piece of tripe the Casselman article is. With all the pro Joe puffery and dark incantations of “radical left” Democrats he just manages to elide the central point. Lieberman’s political fate is in the hands of his Connecticut Democratic constituency. For all Casselman’s hysterical emoting about sinister outsiders(This from a Republican), the fact is Joe wouldn’t be in trouble if he hadn’t played the part of public suck-up to Bush.

In case Casselman has been vacationing on Mars, someone let him in on the fact that the Texas Kid is none too popular in those parts. The Voters of Connecticut are perfectly within their rights to register their displeasure with Jumping Joe. They’re even entitled to give him the boot, despite Cassellman’s assumed greater political acumen and discernment. With such friends Joe needs no enemies.

Here’s a slogan for Joe, “Vote Lieberman: Republicans Like Him!”

I think Lamont is ready for just about anything Joe does. Reading MyDD’s ‘interview’ post from a while back where he talks about not only ‘fire in the belly’ but also ‘fire in the eyes’. He (Lamont) hinted that they have a game plan. I expect to see an analogy to Fitz’ filings. Every time Joe opens up a new front, Lamont will float like a butterfly and STING like a bee. Leaving Joe with puffy eyes and a bloated face.

I look forward to witnessing a great campaign that results in a slo-mo demolition of Joementum.

——
OT and FWIW:
Yesterday’s Charlie Savage piece about Addington/OVP/Cheney and signing statements in the Boston Globe has been emailed by Boston.com/Boston Globe online users 174 times since yesterday. Most of any other article. Second was the ‘real life’ Harry Potter Invisibility Cloak article with 154 emailings.

William Timberman – sheesh! I haven’t thought about the SWP in ages … and the Sparts! now that was “hard left” (and our women’s group was always assigned to march right in front of them … they were spooky!)

I continue to find SDS thought useful and “participatory democracy” is the closest I can come to a political dogma. Someone the other day mentioned the concept of “radical incrementalism” which I liked *a lot*! It’s going to take quite a while to move from where we are to where I’d like us to be … but each step forward counts.

Bob: Thanks!

Nothin’ wrong with Abbie and the Panthers. Do you imagine that if Amerika had listened to what they were trying to tell it back then that George W. Bush would be President, that we would be in Iraq, that St. Ronnie would have been able to destroy so much of what made America great? That our nation would have an infant death rate that places it in the third world.

Folks need to realise that what is going is not ‘an accident’, not ‘incompetence’, not ‘hubris’ but rather the fruition of a political movement that started with Goldwater, please remember that his views were soundly rejected, and grew like a cancer fed by the lies of corporate media and stoked by the racist hatred embodied in ‘The Southern Strategy’ the ReThugs embraced to bring themselves to power.

Along the way they transformed themselves into Theocratic Fascists who now threaten the things that have made America a great nation for almost two hundred years.

Question is….

What are we, the people, gonna do about it?

It would seem to this average American, that using words like “Nazi” and “Gestapo” referring to their tactics at times is being closely monitored just in case we cross the line anywhere. Mostly I have seen this language used in discussing objection to criticism of any kind. And Lieberman is using tactics such as “do not say anything at all bad” about Israel or its tactics.

The jumping on anyone even using the words seems overblown to me. Those words have come to mean more than just the horrors the Hitler regime produced. But the tactics of getting Hitler into power, and staying in power, are being reproduced in many places.

And just to add fuel to the fire here, I might even add the dreaded word “evanhanded” when I talk about future Middle East policy. Oh dear, now I have done it.

These ‘questioning’ threads used to bring total dissengration at the DFA blog when Dean was running.

Just for the record, Israel has a right to exist, so do Palestinians.

Gussie 90 — you’re right, it does say Gestapo. My bad.

Well, that is new. I did a comment about Gussie being concerned (wrongly in my opinion) about even using the word Gestapo in a post — and the whole thing disappeared. Well, maybe I pushed the wrong button. Who knows.

Pach, can’t say I appreciated the mayhem downstairs.

siun May 29th, 2006 at 8:10 pm

Yeah, me too. At the risk of outing myself, I confess to having worked with Mike Davis at the SDS regional office in LA in 1966. It was a long way from the Port Huron Statement to Mark Rudd (whom I met, briefly in Berkeley the following year. At the time, he was only interested in blonde California girls, as I remember.) Unfortunately, the victors write the history, and who besides us now remembers Carl Oglesby and Paul Potter.

Dick Flacks was a professor at UC Santa Barbara for years, though — I used to run into him occassionally at local affairs — and Tom Hayden did have something of a political career in CA. The faith was kept, even if the country moved away.

Did someone mention The Sparts? I know a guy who was expelled from The Spartacist League for extremism. He’s not a Democrat though.

jlr: well, it seems to be over.

I would add, I knowingly fed it a little because this is a fight I want to pick, and one I think the country badly needs us to pick. The time, I think, is getting ripe.

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6PIerf1r7Q

By Ava Lowery – a 15 yr old who makes awesome videos … watch her others at http://www.peacetakescourage.com

Sadly Ava won’t be able to join us at YKOS but her video is a treat!

Hello, my name is Teddy and I am a Jane Hamsher-esqe of the left….

I love Ava’s videos, there are more at HuffPo in the Contagious Festival. Simple and to the point, the ones about Christianity are wonderful

Oops, siun, I totally blanked on the direct link to her, sorry.

WBReeves – I am now laughing uncontrollably!
Imagine that street cred – “Can you diggit? I was even too tough for the Sparts!!!”

I was just always a little freaked by their ability to do that jackboot step and always get their chants *just right*!

William – I was just a very few years too young to hang out with SDS (though I do remember being quite taken with an SDS guy who came to recruit a gang of us … we’ll leave that memory where it belongs … and one of my high school beaus got very involved during his days at Reed but that was later as things spiraled towards weatherunderground).

I was really really happy when someone over at dKos in a discussion about YKOS countered all the “this will be out woodstock” comments with the line “I hope it will be our Port Huron!”
(a position I back 100%!!)

*ilson46201 – OT – you were in Bloomington in those days? What years? I was there twice, having dropped out – 67-70, and 75-76. And are you giving us a clue that you are currently in Indy (where I mostly grew up)? Just like to say hi to other IU folks. There are even a few here where I am in Texas.

Also OT, more general – I’ve discovered that Barnes & Noble is carrying HWAPA – I put an order in for it at one of my local stores today; it’s expected in this week. I hope it will be in time to finish reading it for the FDL part 2 discussion next Sunday!

OT- Check out CBS News’ Mitch Mitchell’s response to the attack on the embedded CBS reporters:

Indiscriminate Weapons Of War

Choice quotes:

We and most other civilized nations subscribe to the laws of war. Iraqi insurgents and terrorists do not.

More than ever before, the laws of war have become a one-sided set of guidelines that humanity dictates we must follow and that our enemies will continue to violate with impunity.

Stupid bastard.

Kudos to Pach, Hugh, Coz, Cujo, and Oilfieldguy for slogging back downstairs to push the creatures from LGF back into the fever swamp. If you thought Hugh’s English language posts were good (which I agree should be front paged), you should see him when he’s got a nut case in his sights.

And a standing ovation to LHP and Selise for some of the most beautiful words ever spoken to deaf ears.

I don’t frequent Right wing blogs and after seeing the comments in Pach’s War on the Constitution thread I can see why. There is so much pointless anger. I get pissed off by all kinds of things but I don’t seethe with anger. I don’t feel the need to make others angry too. So why exactly are these guys so angry? They have their President, they have their Congress, they have their courts, their religion, their media, and yet they are so angry. You really have to wonder where this anger is coming from. I don’t want to sound superficial here but what is it about their lives that fills them with such rage? It’s like hatred of something, anything, is necessary for their identity.

And then, of course, there is the aversion to facts and something like a logical argument. It is so unequal. We must have the arguments and the facts but them, not so much. You would think after a while they would just bore themselves to death. I mean there are only a certain number of times you can say, “I hate that, I really hate that, I really f*cking hate that,” before your neurons shrivel up and die from loneliness.

Hugh- is it okay to say “I love you”- in the nicest possible way, of course?

Hugh 31 – I don’t wanna mensch shun: you’re one clever fella

“talk amongst yourself”

p.s. I am a big fan of neurons.

Hugh;

Your summation on that sad state of affairs is eloquent. Even if renderred in a language with which we are not familiar. ;>

Aw gosh, guys, you’re making me blush but thanks!

blush away

Whew! I’m not sure I can handle what will come with a Late Nite FDL, after this whopper of a day!

Dick Flacks, UCSB prof and local lefty…
http://www.independent.com/arc…..essor.html

Hi Dana- thanks much. I had a limited “other life” in acting, and performed Belle of Amherst. ED really does reasonate, still. I am so glad you found that sane-i-fying.

I went downstairs to read the fightin words, and hell’s bells, the right wingers just depress me. You can’t argue with them; well, you can, but it seems pointless. Then I came back to this thread and saw VG’s E.D. poem and regained my senses. Thank you, Valley.

WBReeves – I am now laughing uncontrollably!

Glad to hear it. Who says politics isn’t a laughing matter.

VG–(#134), You did? I’m impressed. E.D. is one of my favorite poets. I used to begin many a poetry course with her work. One of my teachers in Wisconsin, a poet, wrote a very funny poem about Emily frying liver and onions in the afternoon just as a certain slant of light. . .

Hugh, that’s my favorite one yet!
Love to see these all together.

Dana – I don’t think it’s Mac problem because I”m using a Mac and images show on both Safari and Explorer — I think it’s a propagation problem. Hopefully it will resolve soon.

tiny question here about the new digs–Will it be much longer before images show up on safari or Explorer on Macs? I’ve tried a few things, but nothing seems to restore that feature. I really miss the pix, especially when you all comment on them!

Dana & VG – ED fan here as well … damn that lady could write!

tell all the truth but tell it slant
success in circuit lies

I’d like to say that was fun, but it’s like trying to play raquetball against the drapes. I’m refering to the donniebrook downstairs. You peel away all the arguments and they respond “oh yeah, sez you!”

Jane’s offering live Duane Allman upstairs.

Pach is right, it is a fight we need to have. Are you listening CHUCK SCHUMER???

siun, Maybe some Dems are trying ED’s strategy and failing miserably!

Thanks, Jane. I shall continue being patient! I do see the youtube graphics, such as upstairs.

RBG, Are drinks being served?

138 & 139: The omnipotent prescience of Jane.

Teddy,
now that’s spooky!

Hugh #124: I think it’s that they start out with the same legitimate gripes that many of us have, about their economic situation becoming more uncertain and such, and then they encounter people who tell them that there are people who are to blame for it. Their rage is constantly being stoked against whatever “other” is currently useful by these people who have no intention of actually doing anything to improve their situation, because the real causes aren’t that simple, and they mostly lie with the financial backers of the people stoking the rage.

I’m not from CT, but I hope Lieberman chokes on a big, fat pretzel. We need more idealists and eloquent speakers in the Senate. I just hope Lamont doesn’t become corrupted if elected.

Ohmigod. Nancy Johnson. Don’t get me started. She’s the evil medicare D big pharma congresscritter who walks in disguise as a nice grannie. Maybe we should ask a rhetorical question of Joe Lieberman: critter Joe, will you support Dem opponent of Nancy Johnson, Chris Murphy?
Ah forget it. It seems like we know the answer to that. Big pharma congresscritters stick to each other on both sides of the aisles.

Just got home and saw Rudy’s post at #33 about the Human Rights Campaign’s support for Lieberman. He’s right. We should all take action.

Here’s my little part for tonight –

Dear Human Rights Campaign,

Please rethink your backing of Lieberman.

If you care at all about the human right to live, please see Lieberman’s strong, unyielding support for Bush’s War on Iraq. The people there are now in a civil war that the United States and Bush and Lieberman set in motion with an unnecessary, preemptive strike. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens and nearly 3000 Americans soldiers have lost their lives in this bloody debacle. Lieberman is a chickenhawk who never served a day in uniform and yet is more than willing to send young Americans to die for a lie (Saddam Hussein is not now nor ever has been Osama bin Laden).

Lamont is against the War on Iraq. Period.

Lieberman claims to be pro-choice for women, yet he voted for cloture, along with the Republicans, to pack the Supreme Court with an anti-choice justice, Sam Alito. He is in favor of pro-life (anti-choice) license plates for Connecticut. His new nickname is “Rape Gurney Joe” because he says hospitals shouldn’t have to give morning-after pills to rape victims — they can always go to another hospital. Whoa! Whaaa’s that about?

Lamont, on the other hand, is solidly pro-choice, pro women’s rights. He would’ve filibustered and voted against cloture for Alito.

Think about it. Do you really want to support a war lover who won’t fight for women’s rights?

Do the right thing for yourselves and for the rest of us. Support Ned Lamont for U.S. Senate.

Sincerely,

My mind is now churning. I like the idea of a moveon.org commercial with Nancy Johnson & Joe Lieberman being caught red-handed together.
I wonder what they talk about those two . . . hmmm.

Defending big pharma against seniors and defending big oil *must* be hard *bipartisan* work, for the two of thems, Joe and Nancy. Mwahaha. I think Joe just outed himself again.

BTW Can’t believe that Human Rights, or anyone claiming a name to that, would support torture Joe, gurney Joe or coathanger Joe. Ughh.

Okay, I know this isn’t supposed to matter and all but hell, Ned is a whole lot easier on the eyes than Joe the bassethound. Oh, and I do like Ned’s standing up and being a real Democrat.

I think that just the picture of Bush leaning in for a little loving kiss on the cheek with Joe should appear on the screen for about 30 seconds.

Then the tag line pops up –

“HAD ENOUGH?”

LAMONT FOR SENATOR

(hat-tip to Teddy SanFran for the line)

Re Comment 91, I intended to explain to the concern troll how the Pennsylvania Democrats didn’t exactly “unite behind Bobby Casey,” but I forgot that such blogs don’t allow comments, just like their White House.

Congrats to Ned – our underdog and friend. Congrats too to Pach whose post bought out the armchair general’s. At the risk of getting lipstick on the cuffs of our fluffy shirts it’s fun to twist a pigs ear now and then isn’t it. It’s quite telling too what makes the 101st fighting keyboardist’s waddle out to battle.
They hate the constitutional attack and they hate the Phase 2 attack. They hate them because they know deep down that we are right and they are wrong and we will win. They are dying screaming and oh! …the creatures of the night! What sweet music they make!

Joe really hit rockbottom with that ‘mercial. Oh wait a minute, he hit rockbottom with that Hilary letter, or no maybe he hit rockbottom when . . . oh never mind.