
Last week, I missed both the major and minor stories of the Sunday Heads, the major being Abu Gonzales' assertion of the Administration's inherent right to wiretap journalists; the minor, John Edwards' proclamation of Bush as the worst. president. ever. Today, I've managed to catch all of the shows (thanks to a late showing of Meet the Press), so hopefully that won't happen again today.
There was surprisingly light coverage of the U.S. military in Iraq (and Afghanistan), considering this is the Memorial Day weekend. Although I certainly understand why Republicans want to ignore those subjects.
This Week with Geo. Stephanopolous did address Iraq in an interview with Representative John Murtha (D-PA). Murtha pulled no punches regarding the events at Haditha in November 2005: An IED exploded, killing one Marine. Following that event, Marines killed a number of Iraqi civilians. No question that it happened, and no question there was a coverup. There are photographs. No question that the killings were murder. These events are worse than Abu Ghraib. Murtha hopes Haditha was an isolated incident, and notes that the war on terrorism was diverted by Bush's adventure in Iraq.
In contrast, Senator John Warner (R-VA) was a master of non-answer. Warner urged a "sense of calmness"and refused to address specifics, saying he wants "the Uniform Code of Military Justice to proceed" (sic) before jumping to any conclusions. The Senate will investigate, and call witnesses under oath, but not until the UCMJ has "run its course." Stepho also congratulated Warner on his ten thousandth vote in the Senate.
In the roundtable, George Fwill and John Kasich agreed that Denny Hastert was out of touch in re: the FBI search of the House office of Representative Jefferson (D-LA). Appropos of nothing but free advertising for his employer, Kasich repeated the canard that more people "voted for the American Idol" than for President.
Face the Nation featured Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on election year politics. McConnell says the Dems have to win Kentucky's open seat and oust five incumbents to gain control of the Senate. The elections won't be a referendum on Bush, or the Republicans in general, the ultra-unconfident McConnell claims; it's all about constituent reaction to incumbent performance. Schumer claims that Democratic incumbents are ahead by 10 points, while Republican incumbents are either even or behind.
McConnell predicts that should the Dems take control of Congress, they'll "wave the white flag on terrorism," raise taxes, and censure and impeach Bush. Schumer was divided among himself, stating that the people don't want partisan fighting and don't want investigations, but, on matters such as Iraq, "our job is to hold the president accountable on these issues." How Schumer intends to hold Bush accountable without investigations and partisan fighting remains a mystery, much like Chuck's career success itself.
Chuck's six-point plan for a Democratic Congress: (1) tougher ethics enforcement (without investigation!); (2) better energy policy; (3) tuition deductions; (4) fixing Medicare Part D; (5) improved armed forces and (6) stem-cell research.
Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer (Second Hour) Wolf's in the City of Angels, sharing a bungalow at the Chateau Marmont with Howie Kurtz. Wolf talks to President Jimmy Carter from the Carter Center. Carter thinks the House plan on immigration has racist overtones, as it singles out a specific group of people and makes them felons. Carter is okay with the Bush/Senate plan, but doesn't think that English should be made the official language of the U.S. On Gitmo and prisoner abuse, Carter criticizes Bush's practice of extraordinary rendition. Current prisoners of war should either be put on trial, sent back to their home countries for trial, or released if they can't be convicted. Carter also calls for Bush to engage in direct dialogue with Iran. Irsael should engage in talks with Abbas but not Hamas.
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa also opposes English only, noting that the pending bill mandates governments to "preserve and enhance" English, but doesn't allocate money for English education. On immigration, Villaraigosa calls Sensenbrenner and the House as demagoges, calling for border enforcement while failing to provide sufficient funds to protect ports. The Mayor urges Wolf to spend some cash while he's in L.A.
Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace panders to his audience, seeing an attack on American "sovereignty" in the Senate immigration bill, which calls for consultation with the Mexican government before border walls are built. Senator Bill Frist (R-TN) promotes the Senate immigration plan. Wallace charges that Frist was against amnesty before he was for it, and Frist responds that it depends on what the meaning of amnesty is. Wallace allows Frist to dodge questions about anticipated Republican losses in the fall and Frist's own presidential ambitions. Frist road tests the slogan "Securing American Values," which encompasses the values of marriage inequality and not burning the flag.
Sen. Dick Durbin (R-IL) thinks the Dems have a chance to gain control of the Senate. He'd like for his colleague, Senator Barack Obama, to run for president in '08. If Obama goes forward, Durbin "will be at his side."
Meet the Press holds an exclusive debate on immigration between two Republicans, Chuck Hagel and Jim Sensenbrenner (see Illustration A, above). No doubt the inspiration for this event was the record ratings for last week's exclusive debate on immigration between two Republicans. (Over 67 million Americans voted on last week's immigration showdown, which pitted chubby white soulman Charlie Norwood against the prettier and more polished middle-of-the-roader, Lindsey Graham. Next week: Katherine Harris and Lisa Murkowski exclusively debate immigration policy, and the winner of that debate takes on Hagel in the quarter-finals.)
On "the Meet the Press Minute" flashback, we fondly recalled the time Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) pulled a street sweeper on Pumpkinhead. Although we knew the outcome, we were somehow surprised that Senator Bentsen didn't go Dan Burton's backyard on Tim's ass.
A peaceful Memorial Day to all.
Corrections Made (5/29): Lloyd Bentsen was a Democrat. And Mitch McConnell is from Kentucky. Thanks for the corrections.
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Why should anyone suspect it was n isolated incident? If we can torture people to death with impunity at Abu Giraib, why can’t we Terminate them with Extreme Prejudice wholesale? There are more corpses where these came from.
Wow…heh I was eating when I looked at this post and the picture almost made me gag…ugh
Fitz please
Leslie’s at the Chateau Marmont with Mr. Sheri Annis? How trendy!
The place is usually awash with visiting foreign film directors like Leos Carax, rock star wannabes, and the ghosts of John Belushi and Helmut Newton.
Schumer was divided among himself, stating that the people don’t want partisan fighting and don’t want investigations, but, on matters such as Iraq, “our job is to hold the president accountable on these issues.” How Schumer intends to hold Bush accountable without investigations and partisan fighting remains a mystery, much like Chuck’s career success itself.
And that is both a) why I worry about November and b) the quote of the week.
Gore/Obama ‘08 ?
Pukez!
Bentsen was a democrat and Clinton’s first secretary of the treasury.
Boy was I surprised when this turned out to be on topic.
In defense of English as a national language Part V
We are one nation from the Rio Grande to Montana, from Florida to Los Angeles and San Francisco. As one who is an aficionado of English, I say it is this language that binds us and our nation together. English is too important to become a political piñata. It has helped make us Número Uno in the world. We should keep it and although there is little chance of us losing it, if we did lose it, we could lose the whole enchilada and that would be plain loco. However unlikely, we could be left pronto with zero, zip, nada and that would be muy malo for us all.
Understand those who support English as the national language are not waging a guerilla war on some but are making a sincere effort to create a unifying and unitary ambiente simpático for us all. Nor is it an act of machismo by the current jefe and his junta. Indeed Bush’s pregnant pauses are the very opposite of this. They bespeak a man embarazado and that is an embarrassing state of affairs indeed. No, amigos, compañeros, English as a national language is an act of faith, an auto de fe, as it were, of our rights. Let us not say hasta la vista, baby to an idea whose time has come. Let us embrace our inner pendejo and have the cojones to bid adiós to our doubts. To those who ask in the plaza of public opinion, ¿Qué pasa? here, let our answer and our language be clear: ¡Que será será!
Schumer the Schmuck must go.
Obama is a man much like ‘Chuckie’…without substance.
I would never vote for him.
Feingold is the real thing. Thus:
Gore/Feingold 2008!
Hugh- I greatly enjoy your “defense of English” posts. I have to go back and find the ones I’ve missed. I hope they get widely read- even more widely that at FDL.
I’m not defending the practice, but I think Schumer and other Dems (including Dean) are speaking in code. Conservative politicians mastered this years ago. They motivate their base with the code, while not angering moderate voters.
I think the Dems hope to win, and then say, “well look, we aren’t partisan, the evidence objectively led us towards these investigations.”
Roger — that picture is both repulsive and perfect for the Sunday talking head shows. Genius. *g*
And Jane is right — that IS the quote of the week.
Uh, Lloyd Bentsen was once the Democratic V.P. nominee… he didn’t switch parties just to get the nomination, Roger.
Hugh, you are the ‘mera mera’
I’m de-lurking to tell you guys I WAS eating dinner!
I beg to differ with Senator Schumer. I want an investigation–an investigation of the basis on which the DSCC decides to allocate campaign funds to Democratic Senate candidates, whether the process involves cocktail weenies, and what role the DSCC has played in discouraging independent-minded Democrats from running for the Senate–or actively working against them.
I no longer watch these shows - hell, even Roger’s no doubt spot on assessment of the blatherings makes my blood boil - but thanks Roger,
Chuck Stop The Inanity! Schumer
In light of both the Cheney & Glenn threads can someone explain to me whether Mitch (Lewinsky Choir Boy) McConnell is a clueless wimp or a souless wimp -
“wave the white flag on terrorism” indeed, spout that party line pap - meanwhile the WH makes steady progress towards making these vapid tools obsolete - do they reallly not know that yet (clueless) or do they know and not care ?(souless)
Thank you again Roger
Mitch McConell is a Senator from Kentucky, not Tennessee.
sorry, McConnell
Ok, first: Blech! Gross, p-tuh p-tuh, etc. on your meat “product”, ya big meanie.
Thanks for the run-down, Roger.
Ron - I’m willing to believe it’s code too, but Schumer is behind the clock on this one. Don’t something like 80% think it’s important to investigate the war intel, at least? If there are polls on the other issues I haven’t seen them. Still, how can threats of justice for a 29 percenter be risky?
The thread picture makes menudo look appetizing by comparison.
You’d think by now that the Dems would have a pat answer for expected question about investigations of Bush. Like starting with a list of a half dozen or so Bush/agency ourageous practices that have been screwing the public but have been ignored/covered up by the rubber stampers, followed by the statement, “I think the American people would like to know how that happened and who was responsible and why the Republicans let it happen and go on for so long.” After all, isn’t the “had enough?” theme their main campaign element? “Enough” of what, Schumer? Having this answer ready is what they should be running on; it’s part of the answer to the question, “and what would the Dems do?”
All we need is for one articulate Dem to state the answer clearly, once, and I’ll bet the MSM stops asking the question. Can you see Tim MTP Russert setting up a Dem to hit that softball? NO. He’d instead play gothca and replay Nancy and Chuck promising not to investigate. Sheesh.
A. Citizen (#11):
Just curious….It’s clear Findgold is a leader who stands up for what’s right. It’s clear Gore is a Triangulist. Why would you put Gore first, or in there at all for ‘08?
I’m guessing people like yourself, and the many others in Blogland who are Gore cheerleaders probably feel safer with him because of familiarity? He’s been there before? Seriously, I can’t figure it out. This is a guy who, in two of the biggest decisions in his life, failed miserably (Tipper and Lieberman). I am honestly asking for opinions as to why I should get excited about him.
Yes, if Gore is the nominee, I will vote for him and probably campaign for him also, but I feel we have some better choices this time, and I just don’t understand so many people rallying behind him so soon. Thanks for the time…
Thanks Valley Girl and nenabeans.
cbl
McConnell is definitely soulless. I think he is one of the great unsung villains of our time. He won his Senate seat against a Democrat “Dee” Huddleston by what many saw as the first successful negative TV campaign, thus raising the moronic and vile levels of campaigning ever since. He has also been one of the biggest promoters of money (and all the resultant corruption) in politics. Anyone correct me if I’m wrong but he was a party to the lawsuit where the wisely senile Supreme Court declared that scurrilous dictum that “Money equates to free speech” putting much sending us on the downward spiral we have been on ever since. Anything McConnell says believe the opposite and check your wallet while you’re at it.
Ooops! ‘putting’ equals ‘pretty’ in my dyslexic universe.
My dream team…
Gore/Feingold
HHS– Dr. Dean
Secy of State: Jimmy Carter
Dept of Defense: Wes Clark
Dept of Peace: Dennis Kucinich
Chief of Staff: Jane Hamsher
Attorney General: Christy Hardin Smith
Press Secy: Ron Reagan, Jr.and Keith Olbermann– cause you should always have a partner when dealing with the press these days.
I worked hard for John Kerry– I think he can be Treasury Secretary
John Edwards can be Labor Secretary and
Teddy Kennedy can be Education Secretary
Presidential Truthsayer and Realitychecker: Stephen Colbert
etc. still working on the rest of the dream team.
Thanks Roger for a great rundown!
Rob Zuber (#13):
Sounds very Shrumian. Politics is all about the subliminal, isn’t it? More theories and strategery! (I know you weren’t defending it…)
I think Repubelicans have been winning so much because of other reasons, and not so much their “codes.” All of Frank Luntz’s work doesn’t go anywhere without a complicit press for instance.
Hugh- I went back and bookmarked all of the “English” series. Again, have you thought about putting them together for publication? They really are brilliant and hilarious.
Endless investigations, pausing only long enough to drive a stake through the heart of guilty evildoers (metaphorically speaking)
C’mon, we know there are some way yonder crooks running roughshod over our constitution (see last post) and getting fat off of war misery (Republiburtons). Investigate, prosecute, convict and punish the guilty. All of them. How can we keep this from happening again if we don’t investigate to find out how it happened this time, and punish the guilty to discourage future bad acts.
I’m sorry Chuck, I for one would like some serious charges brought against these yahoos.
bonkers - If you missed Gore’s speech at Constitution Hall last January, you could start there. Constitutional issues
He gave an ass kicking delivery. The content strikes at perhaps the greatest threats to our nation. I hope he picks up steam.
Hey, that head cheese doesn’t look that bad. I do prefer souse meat, however.
Sorry for the repost, but I was catching up on FDL Book thread and made a post which I now see was EPU’d. So here it is.
George A. says:
May 28th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
I’m sorry, but I’m not as optimistic as all of you are. In fact at the moment I’m very pessimistic about what’s happenning to our country. I have had a very uneasy feeling for a long time now that if it looks like the Republicans will lose either the House of Senate there will be no elections come November.
Bush and the rest of his gestapo will not give up power. Everything they have done too destroy our Constitution has worked. I have no doubt that we will either be at war in Iran or another attack will take place here. Of course it will be provided by the Fascist Administration in power, but it will enable Bush to suspend the Constitution and stop the electoral process, thereby assurring him retaining power in both the House and Senate.
I feel that as of now we are all living under the illusion of Democracy, but in reality the Constitution has been set aside and hidden from the American people. I wish I felt different, but I have been speaking about this to a lot of people for a long time and they just laugh at me and tell me I’m crazy.
All one has to do is study Hitlers rise to power in Germany to see all the similarities that exists to see what is really happenning here. I’m half German and for a long time been ashamed for not only what Hitler did to Germany and its people, but also ashamed of the German people for allowing it to happen. I believe Glenn mentioned that at one time and he’s right.
I never thought that one day America would be in danger of having a Dictatorship, but looking around me I see it happenning here as it did in Germany. The American people like Bush as the German people liked Hitler. A religious person who started the Christian Youth Movement that in reality turned in their neighbors for harboring Jews in Germany to the Right Wing Nuts being scared of Muslums and reporting them because they think their terrorists.
We have become a Nation Scared of anything and anyone who is different than us. We are so scared of out own shadow that we would turn it in and have it arrested as an Enemy Combatant who would do us harm.
That’s what I see going on now and it does scare me. I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but only time will tell. We don’t have that long to find out if indeed there is any chance to take our country back from these fascists, however we should know by November if he still have elections. If we do and we don’t win the House or Senate than all will be lost unless we have another Revalutionary War to take our country back.
Could we have blood sausage next week?
Mmmm, Blutwurst!
Howard Dean’s behavior has convinced me that they have internal polls showing that talk of impeachment and investigations is a loser. Dean has minimized talk of investigations as well, and he’s generally a straight talker.
Gore and Feingold, Feingold and Gore. These guys are the good guys, along with Hillary, Edwards, etc.
Nobody’s perfect. We’ll be lucky to have any of them. Get behind your choice and support your choice.
Don’t spend your energy knocking any of them. The RNC will take care of that for you.
This just in:
Holy Fuck - Now they’re playing ‘Three Card Monte’ with fucking NUKES. As if keeping them ‘on the table’ wasn’t enough%u2026
Monday’s NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05.....x=13065552 00&en=b89cd6873dd24e70&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
“Pentagon Seeks Nonnuclear Tip for Sub Missiles
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
Published: May 29, 2006
WASHINGTON, May 28 %u2014 The Pentagon is pressing Congress to approve the development of a new weapon that would enable the United States to carry out nonnuclear missile strikes against distant targets within an hour.
The proposal has set off a complex debate about whether this program for strengthening the military’s conventional capacity could increase the risks of accidental nuclear confrontation.
The Pentagon plan calls for deploying a nonnuclear version of the submarine-launched Trident II missile that could be used to attack terrorist camps, enemy missile sites, suspected caches of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons and other potentially urgent threats, military officials say.
If fielded, it would be the only nonnuclear weapon designed for rapid strikes against targets thousands of miles away and would add to the president’s options when considering a pre-emptive attack.”%u2026
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OK, it was EPU’d, but DAMN…
All this talk about Gore in 08 is nonsense.
Like it or not Gore is done. Just like Kerry.
They both allowed themselves a repeated Rovian bitch slapping….fighting back too little… too late and too meekly.
bonkers @ 25 - wrt gore…. i wasn’t a very enthusiastic supporter in 2000 - for all the reasons (and more) you mention. but i am now, and i confess it’s his speeches during the last 4 years that have won me over. i have mp3s of 10 of them - from 9/2002 thru 3/2006.
he says he’s in recovery from politics - at step 9.
step 9 is making amends. sounds to me like he might mean it.
p.s. wrt feingold - if possible, i’d like to see him have some time in a national office (like vp?)… give him a chance to learn the geography of corruption and formulate his own way to deal with it. may not be possible though.
Valley Girl
I wouldn’t have a clue about how to go about doing that but I am happy that people enjoy them.
Has anyone mentioned all those atrocious organs the English eat?
Haditha an isolated instance? Not a chance. Iraqi police report details civilians’ deaths at hands of U.S. troops. The date? March 19, 2006.
“According to police, military and eyewitness accounts, U.S. forces approached the house at around 2:30 a.m. and a firefight ensued. By all accounts, in addition to exchanging gunfire with someone inside the house, U.S. troops were supported by helicopter gunships, which fired on the house.
But the accounts differ on what took place after the firefight.
According to the U.S. account, the house collapsed because of the heavy fire. When U.S. forces searched the rubble they found one man, the al-Qaida suspect, alive. He was arrested. They also found a dead man they believed to be connected to al-Qaida, two dead women and a dead child.
But the report filed by the Joint Coordination Center, which was based on a report filed by local police, said U.S. forces entered the house while it was still standing.
“The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men,” the report said. “Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals.”
The report identified the dead by name, giving their ages. The two men killed were 22 and 28. Of the women, one was 22, another was 23, a third was 30 and the fourth was 75. Two of the children were 5 years old, two were 3, and the fifth was 6 months old, the document said.
The report was signed by Col. Fadhil Muhammed Khalaf, who was described in the document as the assistant chief of the Joint Coordination Center.”
Gore will win if he chooses to run, Larry. Rove will either be indicted or in jail by then and the entire jig will be up for everyone to see.
I’ll fight for him, and not meekly at all– ker-POW.
60 Minutes tonight did interviews with Iraqi vets that were permanently maimed (lost limbs, brain injuries). It was actually pretty good matter-of-fact coverage.
Every one of these vets were overcoming their injuries but wouldn’t come out and say the war was a mistake (except one). They almost all wanted to go into some field where they could help the other shattered lives from this war, helping out other dismembered vets who are getting neglected by the government.
It was a sobering way to observe this Memorial Day weekend.
The question angie is will he fight for himself?
I don’t believe that a correctly worded poll would show that talk of investigations per se is a “loser.” Talk of impeachment maybe, but not investigations, especially when all other polls show the public highly dissatisfied with the direction of the country.
Congress’ job is to do investigations, to figure out what works, what doesn’t, and fix it. They have to investigate program effectiveness to fulfill their budget responsibilities. They have to investigate appointee’s credentionals to perform their advise and consent role re confirmations. What is this silliness about not doing investigations?
The question is, what should they investigate? Answer: they should at least investigate anything that has been going wrong for the last six years that needs to be fixed.
If any person running for Congress told me they did not intend to conduct investigations if elected, I’d conclude they’re either stupid, or lying, or both. How can that position be a “winner?”
I believe he will, Larry. He’s on fire and it isn’t just about our beautiful blue planet. He roars and vibrates with the truth– he is shimmering and brimming with love and respect for our country and our Constitution.
Hugh, alas I don’t have any idea about that either!
And, I think Mad Cow disease has cured the Brits of their affection for offal.
Haditha when charges are announced may be bigger in this country and in the rest of the world than in Iraq. In Iraq, it’s just one atrocity among so many others committed on all sides by all sides.
Actually I’m not for a selection of a candidate this early. I am for exposure of some of the best, the brightest, the most thoughtful, and most experienced people inside the Democratic Party. It gives us a chance to get to know them, appreciate their strengths, identify their weaknesses and deal with them. Seeing Gore redefine himself, Feingold and Durbin speak out, Obama develop or not, Dean build the roots, and Hillary triangulate are all good to show there are Democrats worth paying attention to.
Angie…I too believe that Gore resonates with truth and holds deep love and respect for our country.
I just have serious doubt about his testicular fortitude.
Frank Rich NYT ain’t at all impressed w/our Mr. Gore. Not at all…
RawStory excerpt from NYT:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0527.html
“”Though many of the rave reviews don’t mention it, there are also considerable chunks of ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ that are more about hawking Gore’s image than his cause,” Rich writes. “They also bring back unflattering memories of him as a politician.”
“The movie contains no other voices that might upstage him, not even those of scientists supporting his argument,” writes Rich. “It is instead larded with sycophantic audiences, as meticulously multicultural as any Benetton ad, who dote on every word and laugh at every joke, like the studio audience at “Live With Regis and Kelly.”"
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Myself, I don’t really care what Mr. Rich thinks on this. HE’s a FORMER DRAMA CRITIC. I’m a citizen.
I liked Gore enough to vote for him in MA Dem Pres Primary in ‘88; he’s fucked up a few times since, but the essence is still worth going with. He’s closer to an ‘organic’ reading of the lay of the political landscape (even as that gets whirlwinded daily).
Gore has been an ‘outsider’ for awhile. The next President will be an ‘outsider-type’. Gore is NOT in the Beltway Bubble. At least not now. Feingold is good, but would take alot of name recognition work. Gore already has that. Plus, all his negatives are already on the book (well, except for the new ones that will be manufactured, that is…) IANAM (marketer) but in Marketing 101 I learned that given ignorance of the target audience, the easiest campaign is to paint anything as a negative. Not sure if that’s been included as assumed in the comments about marketing I’ve read, but it is a key, imho.
Well, if our system of voting is still in operation by the time it comes to make such a decision.
Gore rules. I wish I voted for him when I could have. (Ralph Nader, you suck.)
If Gore was president, we wouldn’t be facing the end of the estate tax EARLY NEXT MONTH.
I’m on a mission here, because nobody is talking about this issue.
We in the netroots have got to get our representatives involved.
Start here: http://menditdontendit.blogspot.com/
There’s links to ways you can help.
When every Dem leader, Pelosi to Reid to Schumer and on and on, falls all over themselves with bugging terrified eyes to disclaim that there will be investigations –
Gosh, wonder why the poll numbers look off?
Really - get some leadership on something, SOMEONE.
Ask people about 9/11 - they don’t think it was properly investigated. Ask about Katrina - people don’t think it has been properly investigated. Ask about Abramoff, lobbying, whistleblowers, intelligence taking us to war - no one thinks any of it was properly investigated. Does anyone you talk to think that the NSA programs we know about so far are “it”? Don’t we have a guy who still hasn’t been allowed to testify?
Warner has promised an investigation “just like Abu Ghraib” into Haditha. Guess that means one that stops before you get to any officers or any chain of command issues and one that excludes other places or non-photographed incidents. He refuses to “get it” that you don’t investigate Haditha by investigating Haditha - you do it by exercising what should have been oversight all along. Oversight that should have gone into overdrive when they first saw the Gonzales memo about adopting “enemy combatant” status bc otherwise they were all guilty of war crimes.
How anyone can work for or with that man after reading that I’ll never understand.
Great diary over at DKos…http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/28/16850/4036
Been wondering for three years now what came of the French investigation into and the possible indictment of Dick Cheney as former Halliburton CEO. Seems there was some bribery of Nigerian officials on Dick’s watch…but I never saw a final resolution on this investigation.
Diarist Valtin asks whether there’s a relationship between Cheney and Jefferson in re: Nigeria. Which now begs the question: did Abu stand up for the FBI on the raid on Jefferson’s office as another volley in the tit-for-tat internecine warfare between OVP and POTUS?
Angie -
I agree 100% on Gore. All of the interviews I have read recently indicate that he understands the need to fight back against the Republican spin machine and the media. He has learned a lot since 2000, it seems. He is an experienced leader and a man who is keenly aware of the power of the progressive netroots and who generally shares its values.
My dream ticket is:
Gore for President
Bill Clinton for Vice President.
If the two of them could be brought together on the same ticket again, I really like their chances of winning - in a knockout.
And I think it is within the realm of plausibility that both Gore and Clinton could be amenable to teaming up again. Especially if called upon by a critical mass of people…
Larry 7:45 p.m.
This time, I believe he will.
http://www.grist.org/news/main.....9/roberts/
Interesting interview with Gore about the making of the movie.
[]You’re well known, particularly since 2000, for guarding your privacy. But this movie is quite personal. Was that the producers’ idea or yours?
answer It was definitely not my idea.
question Were you reluctant about it?
answer I was reluctant about it. And I would not have suggested that or wanted that.
But after we were into the production of the movie, the director, Davis Guggenheim, had earned my trust, because I had seen enough to gain a tremendous respect for his skill and sensitivity. And he said that one of the huge differences between a live stage performance and a movie is that when you’re in the same room with a live person who’s on stage speaking — even if it’s me [laughs] — there’s an element of dramatic tension and human connection that keeps your attention. And in a movie, that element is just not present.
He explained to me that you have to create that element on screen, by supplying a narrative thread that allows the audience to make a connection with one or more characters. He said, “You’ve got to be that character.”
So we talked about it, and as I say, by then he had earned such a high level of trust from me that he convinced me. And he was a very skillful interviewer. What you hear in those biographical segments is literally 1 percent of the interviews he did. I began to suspect that his basic technique involved getting me so exhausted that I didn’t care what I said anymore. [Laughs.]
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I posted this about Warner’s appearence on This Week sometime this afternoon. And even though it’s much later now I still feel the same way about him.
Sunday May 28, 2006
Dear Senator Warner,
When I saw you on This Week this morning and you started talking about the Marines who committed War Crimes {Murdering innocent civilians} you attempted to play the whole incident down. Just like Abu Garib those who committed crimes of Torture there were not held to the high standard that is required in our Military. Their sentences were in my humble opinion not worthy of the sentences they should have clearly received for their War Crimes. They clearly committed War Crimes and should have been sent to the Hague for their trials or imprisoned for the rest of their lives.
Now once again the Republicans who are responcible at the TOP will not be held accountable for what has transpired in Iraq. Those Marines who committed the Murder of Woman and Children should receive the Death Penalty for their Crimes and those at the Top of the Military Chain who condoned and covered up those Crimes should at the least be Dishonourably Discharged.
As in Abu Garib those at the Top of Civilian Command {Like Rumsfield} should have been fired for Instigating and condoning of Torture in Iraq {Which was also War Crimes}. But like so many of our Countries Laws, the Constitution has been stepped on and trampled on by the current Administration. We are now no longer the United States of America, but America the Fourth Reich being led by a Dictator who has Trampled OUR CONSTITUTION into the ground.
As I watch the new Fascist Government continue to spread fear against the citizens of America and the Republican Leadership in both the House and Senate continue to ignore their Constitutional duties to protect its citizens I fear for what will happen to our country.
It is very clear that the Republican Party has placed Party over Country by not holding this insane madman George Walker Bush to the High Standard that is required of the Office of the President, nor Dick Cheney for the Office of the Vice President. Both these men have committed High Crimes and Misdeamors and should be impeached and removed from Office before the rest of the World unites against American and forcibly remove them, arrest them and all those who are and were complicite in their War Crimes and send them to the Hague for Trial.
Americans will not stand for a Dictatorship by either political party and will fight to regain the freedoms that the Republican CongressSenate have taken from us. Either your a true American or your a Traitor like GWB and the rest of his Gestapho. Like Bush said your either with us or agin us. We the American People want OUR COUNTRY back.
Right now there are those who are True Americans fighting to remove a Dino from the Senate who has supported GWB over the will of true Democrats and the American People. The day of lifelong incumbancy for the House and Senate is {As Rumsfield once said} in its last throes. I for one look forward to the many Republicans being investigated for corruption to finally be removed from Office and tried and convicted for their crimes. Like Jefferson I hope he’s convicted and given a long sentence for his betrayal of his Office and the American People as you all have betrayed your OATH before God and the American People to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States from all Enemies, both Foriegn and Domestic.
As I started out above, your attempt too downplay the War Crimes of some of our military serving in Iraq made me want to puke. You sir are not only a disgrace to the Uniform you once wore, but also a disgrace to the Office you currently hold. You sir should immediatly resign your Office so a true Loyal American can serve OUR COUNTRY instead of the Republican Party.
I may not truly know what the Democrat Party stands for, but I know what the Republican Party certainly stands for. It is the Party of Death, Corruption, Fascism and Treason as has been shown by its Leadership and the Office of the Vice President and President. The outting of a NOC agent during a Time of War {Afganistan} was an act of Treason carried out at the highest levels of the American Government, and the Republican Party who controls all Branches of Government turned its back on America and condoned the Treasonous Acts of its leaders.
I pray to God that He shows mercy to our country before its destroyed in a Nuclear War where this President and the Republican Party are leading us. I’m also sure that when you and the rest ot those who are leading us down the path to destruction stand before my Lord that He will surly have a spot reserved for you all in Hell. I also pray that this happens sooner rather than later.
Sincerely yours,
George A.
PS: How many military funerals have you attended for the brave men and women who have been killed in Iraq. How many military service men and women who have been maimed and crippled for life have you visited in the hospital or at their homes?
I know Murtha goes regularly to Walter Reed, how about you? I doubt that you’ve ever attended a funeral of visited any of our service members in the hospital. How can you sleep at night knowing that GWB is destroying not only our country, but are military as well?
Scarecrow–that is exactly right. Though I may add the term that should be used–and to my endless frustration no Democrat seems to be using it–is oversight. Congress has the power and obligation to oversee the actions of the Executive. Just run on the issue that maybe the Administration wouldn’t have so royally screwed things up if the Congress had been doing its job all this time and overseeing. No need for all this talk about investigations–it can sound so vindictive. (Of course, Congress’ oversight duties necessarily involve some sort of inquiries. And of course if these inquiries turn up information of actions so egregious that they demand impeachment or impalement or whatever of Administration officials, that is the risk we have to take.)
What I’m not so sure about is how much to run against one-party rule. It would win alot of votes in ‘06 since the small-government types in the GOP are waking up to its dangers. The only problem is I’m hoping for one-party rule in ‘08.
RE: Gore. I’m ambivalent about him in ‘08. He is a changed man and not the triangulator we once knew. Plus he’s not running against Monica like he was in ‘00. Still, the media seems to have it in for him so much that I doubt he could win.
Angie..BTW….I aggressively campaigned and voted for him in 2000. Lived in West Palm Beach back then (heart of Palm Beach county)
Talk about the eye of the storm
There is only one man who can know the pain we have all experienced over these 6 years more profoundly than we do. His name is Al Gore. Don’t you think he has that bitter, metallic taste of defeat every waking moment of every single day? He smells and sees the destruction of our planet and her life everyday as we do. He probably has some nightmares when he can sleep and insomnia when he cannot– and dreams of a better world when he is lucky enough to slumber quietly. He knows what he relinquished and the mistakes that were made. I honestly believe, he learned from the past and will lead us forward if we rally around him and make our very own, very human mistakes known as well.
My S.O.’s top dream team is Gore/Bill Clinton too, xyz!
All any Dem with a brain has to do when asked about investigations is look whoever right in the eye and say:
Until you can tell me where this Republican Administration and Republican Congress put the 9 Billion that they can’t account for in Iraq - oh yeah buddy, there’ll be an investigation.
zatsohard?
Why does Chuck Schumer sound so thoughtful and intelligent when he gives longer interviews and so clumsy and stupid when he’s on the big news shows? He and Pelosi both take easily anticipated questions and give, weak, garbled answers like it never occured to them that anyone would ask about investigations or impeachment.
Don’t remember who linked to it the other day, but there was a site called “Steve, Don’t Eat It” … send him the head cheese!
Bill Clinton can’t be vice president, since he is consitutionally precluded from being President.
uncle toby — I wouldn’t assume that the “press has it in for Gore” so he can’t win. That is not universally true, even now. But I think that the press is going to be singing a different tune by 2008. Also, I could be wrong, but I expect the liberal/progressive blogsphere to be substantially stronger by 2008 than it is now, and it’s already starting to make a difference. The nature of “the press” is changing quickly, right here, and it seems to be very much in our direction, helped by the Jane Hamshers of the Left, Christy, Glen G and many others. All the investigations between now and then are also going to establish that our guys were “right” and should be listened to, and the other guys lied, repeatedly.
Mary 63 — absolutely. Was it only $9 billions? That was just one year!
Geoffrey Swenson,
Happily, you are incorrect on that point (FYI - IAAL). This CNN article explains why:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/L.....ton.08.01/
Here’s the quote:
The Constitution permits Clinton to be elected vice-president, and if necessary to ascend for a third time to the presidency as careful attention to the language of the 12th and 22nd Amendments shows.
The 12th Amendment would allow a Clinton vice-presidency. Its language only bars from the vice-presidency those persons who are “ineligible to the office” of President. Clinton is not ineligible to the office of president, however. He is only disqualified (by the 22nd Amendment) from being elected to that office.
“This is no mere semantic distinction. Article II of the Constitution carefully defines exactly who is “eligible to the Office of President”: anyone who is a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old, and has been a U.S. resident for at least 14 years.”
Bonkers, Larry, et al.:
You’re not the only ones a bit taken aback by this sudden rush to Gore.
Maybe it’s partly because I’ve only read about his recent speeches and the movie, not seen them, but most of my surprise comes from taking him at his word when he says it suits him better to serve differently now.
Another piece of it for me — and yes, this does argue against taking him at his word — is the great hole blown in my respect for him by his Elian Gonzales-pandering in 2000. Maybe we hardcore Janet Reno partisans here in Florida took that one especially hard and remember it especially long, but boy did it stink up the joint around here. And past usually being prologue, I remain about 80% as uncomfortable with him as I am with HRC.
Without knowing enough about Vilsack, Warner and some of the other comers to have an opinion of them yet, at this point I yearn for the likes of Edwards and Feingold (in no particular order).
But 30 months IS a political eternity — especially with BushCo in charge — and we’ve all still got a lot to learn about the Class of ‘08, no? Looks like an embarrassment of riches for now.
Larry - in 2000, there was nothing for anyone to really boom about. For Rove it was playground. The shit has hit the fan, we are bleeding, the world is bleeding, and the Bush Administration remains as much a threat as ever. Compared to 2000, we are on another planet. Against today’s backdrop, Gore looks very different, in a good way.
Haditha is about anger, frustration and the wearing down of the military in Iraq. It’s not just the equipment, it’s the decay of discipline and the lack of a definable and winnable mission. It is the stress of not knowing who your enemy is and so seeing everyone as an enemy. It is the failure of a strategy and an absence of a plan by Bush, Rumsfeld, Pace, Abizaid, and whoever the current commander is on the ground in Iraq.
It is also about a slippery slope this country has been on for a while. Abu Ghraib was bad because there were photos but before and after it there was no ongoing and thoroughgoing retraining of troops, especially in how to deal with civilians. Indeed there have been sporadic stories of arbitrary detainment and mistreatment of Iraqis by American soldiers even in the docile American media for some time. Such abuse in the absence of command oversight creates a permissive atmosphere and it really isn’t that far from intimidation, to brutalization, to killing.
Our army and the soldiers in it are being torn apart by the insanity of Bush’s stay the course nonpolicy. No matter what they say this is not an isolated incident and it was completely and absolutely predictable. Put people in impossible circumstances, leave them there to hang without guidance long enough, and this is what you get.
Bush thinks Memorial Day is about flags and wreathes. It’s about people, what you ask of them and what they do, both the good and the bad.
Just saw a tv add against “net neutrality,” arguing that it is “sticking it to consumers.” The big bucks are at it again.
Hugh72 - absolutely.
It is the failure of a strategy and an absence of a plan
And that is what Congress will not, under Warner, be investigating when it investigates Haditha.
In all of the possible candidate matchups for Dems, it seems logical that the conventions would be highly unlikely to take two serving Senators. If control of the Senate is up for grabs in 2008, as it probably would be, it would make sense to pick both candidates from anywhere but the Senate. e.g., Gore/Edwards is fine, but Clinton/Obama (or any other Dem Senator) would be foolish. A Dem President needs a Dem Senate to get its appointments confirmed.
O/T kinda
Mary
are you still here ? Thanks for your thoughtful and as always inciteful response on the Cheney/Addington thread. We agree 110% on Addington’s M.O. and Capabilities.
I accept as plausible your response to the why-now-all-this-Addington-exposure question - but here’s another (and if I somehow missed it in my two readings of your response, please forgive me)
Why did Cheney and Addington back off and give their ascent to Hastert’s hissy fit ? To belabor the obvious, these two have enjoyed a five year run of uninterrupted Executive Power consolidation, and I can not recall two more arrogant beasts in the WH at the same time, so why now, why this ?
With all due respect, this nastiness about head cheese, tripe, and I suppose liver, brains, sweetbreads, etc. sounds awfully parochial, and awfully (or is that offally) American “I won’t eat it if it doesn’t come wrapped in plastic.”
Guys, please. The ancient Greeks actually preferred the “inner” to the “outer” meats (according to Homer, anyway) and they weren’t exactly culinary novices.
Disgust is cultural. I actually know people who’ve never tasted fish, and won’t eat anything green, even iceberg lettuce. For the sake of us folks who like a nice chunk of head cheese or scrapple once in a while, do try to keep an open mind, I beg you. :-)
Totally disagree that no punches were pulled. The thing that separates the Haditha tragedy from Abu Ghraib or other atrocities is not that civilians were killed. It’s that civilian children were killed.
Not once did Murtha mention the murder of children, nor ever did Stephonopoulos. While I was glad to see attention being given, I am outraged that the one element to the story that might destroy public support for the war, the cold-blooded killing of children, even tiny ones, was deliberately soft-pedaled.
Muzzy (#32):
Thanks for the link (didn’t realize he was around long enough to vote for FISA in ‘76). Yes, I’ve always liked his words on paper (sounds like the delivery is better nowadaze at least), but always felt like he was talking down to me, like I’m some sort of moron (Hey! I heard that!).
As a senator, do you think he would have stood up to the Patriot Act? The Iraq War? Scalito? I’m not so sure. He would have given some impassioned speech about it, but after some polling and strategy sessions with Lieberman, probably would not have rocked the boat in most cases. We have options this time…
http://feingold.senate.gov/~fe.....60523.html
I have lived in Wisconsin when Findgold has won elections, and he totally mops up, even in much of the rural and religious areas (and they’re not Jewish, believe me!). If this can happen in the Dairyland, can it not happen in the Bible Belt?
fahrender (#38): I haven’t picked someone to get behind yet. Russ has been a breath of very fresh air, and if he runs, I want to feel confident that he can do it. Gore has dissappointed me many times. By talking about it, especially with some of the helpful and insightful comments here, I’m re-examining some of my positions. That’s why I like primaries. Whoever gets the nomination will have my complete support.
Rob Zuber: Had similar thoughts about Dean and his silence on some issues. Man, I hope you’re wrong about the “internal polling.” Ughh…Stop the Strategery! Be real and honest. How hard is that to understand with these people?!?
cbl
inciteful? or insightful?
It finally occurred to me that the pic was a good visual pun for “Press the Meat”.
thanks neuro - of course insightful (but that’s what happens when the subject is Chaddington)
fyi - courtesy C& L
Paul Hackett called me and said that he is now representing Capt. James S. Kimber, commanding officer of Company K, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment who is one of the three officers that was relieved of duty. He said that he believes Kimber was relieved because one of his marines spoke out to the British news media and criticized the Iraqi security forces competence level that made it onto film. He also believes that Rumsfeld is applying pressure from the top down so that there will be no further disapproving rhetoric permitted in public about the newly trained Iraqi military.
Hackett will be guest hosting the Ed Schultz show on Monday and I’m sure he will be talking about this issue.
I’m sure glad that my elected officials are dealing with the importnat issues of the day. Such as…
1) Flag burning, it’s an epedemic.
2) Making sure that English is the “national” language.
THROW.THE.BUMS.OUT
Had enough?
I am curious after watching Jarhead and an Officer and a Gentleman (over the past couple of days) and so many other war movies that show us that our war fighters are humiliated into submission in boot camps and taught to hate the “enemy” in order to fight and respect almost without question the chain of command… imagine the difference if we invested in training and developing peace troops.
I wonder where that could take us.
If we trained people to go out into the world and learn about other cultures and to speak other languages and to make peace and understanding part of the international dialogue, would we spend less in blood and all the many other riches we have? Perhaps these peacemakers could come back home whole and share their knowledge and go to school or get a pension– I am not just talking about able bodied men and women; I think of our elders, our middle aged and our youth all spreading like a wave across the globe, engaging.
cbl - I have not a clue on the Hastert situation. One thing I have harped on is that it makes no sense to me that you have the kind of argument at the heart of the non-security prongs of Exec Privilege - how the Exec branch is going to handle important policy decisions re: Congress and three of the top lawyers in the Admin - Addington for OVP, Gonzales as AG and exWHC, and McNulty as Deputy AG - guys who presumably know a little about Ex.Priv - and in this anti-leak atmosphere, suddenly and promptly the whole story of Gonzales about to quit, Cheney and Addington willing to support Hastert , hits the paper.
HUH?
No way does that story not have an ok from Bush to hit the presses. All of which leaves me wondering what is going on.
Someone else (?can’t remember who/when?) posited something as possible as anything else about Cheney and Addington just not being all that hot on any corruption investigations. Could be. ??
I can’t really think of anything that works, though. I do wonder if any investigations might have hit a point were lower level DOJ or FBI are becoming cagey and distrustful of tier one and maybe this is to reassure them that there investigations will be protected and golly heck yeah Gonzales will go to bat for them? They didn’t have to bring in Addington and Cheney for that though. Maybe they specifically wanted some people in DOJ/FBI to see a public face to Gonzales standing up to Cheney and Addington? If so, that takes me back, again, to Plame and what is going on there. I can see Rove getting just this convoluted - to choreograph a tiff between Gonzales and Addington where Gonzales digs in with McNulty and Mueller to take them on and do what’s right as some kind of precursor to something that is going to happen between Cheney’s office and Gonzales - to make it look like they have been on the outs and so are not too “colluding-y” but that gets to stretching even my creative side.
Clueless, but without the fashion sense.
Coz- I thought this was a classic from Jane, in one of her comments:
If English becomes the national language, will Bush have to start using it?
bonkers (#79):
I’m with you 100% on Feingold. He’s definitely my first choice. However, I’m not convinced that what works in Dairyland will work in the South and I’m originally from Tennessee. The conservatism of Wisconsin and Iowa (where I also lived) is quite different from that of Alabama and Georgia. That said, I’m still behind Feingold. He has the kind of conviction and intellect that could not only win but as well make us glad in ‘12 that he won.
Angie (#84):
We have it. It’s called the Peace Corps.
cbl - what is the story on the 3 officers relieved of duty?
angie @ 84 - the nonviolent peace force is trying to do just that - there is a pilot program up and running in sri lanka now:
http://nvpf.org/np/english/mis.....t.asp.html
Thanks Mary !
’tis a puzzlement and I see you are scratching your head the same way I am
well it’s defiitely somethin’ - and if we get to find out (and I believe we will) it will be something even more outrageous than any of our guesses -outrageous in that it’ll be more heinous shit none of us were aware of
and hey kids - courtesy TPM Muck - Newsweek is reporting both DeLay and Duncan Hunter are being investigated for their ties to Brent Wilkes BWAAHAAA !!!
De-lurking for first time — long time reader of FDL, but haven’t felt need to comment until now.
cbl/# 82 - your comment about the K/3/1 Co Cmdr is first I’ve heard that aspect of this unfolding story. Is that why the 3/1 Bn C.O. was also relieved? I’ve been under the impression that these officers in 3/1 (Bn C.O. and two Co Cmdrs) were relieved because of the horrific killings of civilians in Haditha in Nov, ‘05.
I’m a retired Marine, still living and working on Okinawa for the Marines, and I’m sick at heart over this unfolding story about the murder of Iraqi civilians