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	<title>Comments on: Winning Over the Hills and Hollers Crowd</title>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-126468</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm… JFK, RFK, and FDR were wealthy, educated, east coast elites.  They came from money &amp; privilege, prepped, went to Ivies, and didn’t really have to work to support themselves.  And yet they connected with the average Joe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kerry and Gore tried to remake themselves into approximations of the Marlboro versions of the regular guy, rather than be proud of who they are and call the little guy from Andover, Yale and Harvard on his phony remake as a Texas rancher (indeed!).  They left themselves vulnerable to the pandering tag - neither seemed comfortable in his own skin vs those like McCain, Edwards, President Bubba, Barack Obama.  If you are comforable in your own skin, if someone spits on you, you don’t lose you ability to respond authentically - ignore, spit back, give ‘em hug, bring in a mariachi band to stand across the street and make a party, whatever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dem politicians need to realize that being different does not have to be a liability. We should be able to bridge what divides us as a country, because the truth is, on a daily basis, in our everyday lives, we all do.  And every citizen who is a woman, non-white, not straight, not rich, not educated, not Christian has already figured out how to vote for someone not like us for President.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm… JFK, RFK, and FDR were wealthy, educated, east coast elites.  They came from money &amp; privilege, prepped, went to Ivies, and didn’t really have to work to support themselves.  And yet they connected with the average Joe.</p>
<p>Kerry and Gore tried to remake themselves into approximations of the Marlboro versions of the regular guy, rather than be proud of who they are and call the little guy from Andover, Yale and Harvard on his phony remake as a Texas rancher (indeed!).  They left themselves vulnerable to the pandering tag &#8211; neither seemed comfortable in his own skin vs those like McCain, Edwards, President Bubba, Barack Obama.  If you are comforable in your own skin, if someone spits on you, you don’t lose you ability to respond authentically &#8211; ignore, spit back, give ‘em hug, bring in a mariachi band to stand across the street and make a party, whatever.</p>
<p>Dem politicians need to realize that being different does not have to be a liability. We should be able to bridge what divides us as a country, because the truth is, on a daily basis, in our everyday lives, we all do.  And every citizen who is a woman, non-white, not straight, not rich, not educated, not Christian has already figured out how to vote for someone not like us for President.</p>
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		<title>By: SombreroFallout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-122986</link>
		<dc:creator>SombreroFallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 18:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My Mom’s side of the family is from East Tennessee.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I understand it, all Al Gore had to do to carry BOTH West Virginia and Tennessee — was to come out for the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For a variety of reasons, this was a monumental miscalculation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Couching a vocal and determined pro-2nd Amendment position as one of 10 inviolable components of the Bill of Rights would have been a strong point of differentiation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Specifically because it’s a real and coherent adherence to a conservative Constitutional approach and the American social contract.  Compare that to Bush’s legal tactics in relation to the rule of law.  Bush’s attitude that ANY RHETORICAL PLOY is available or justified in the AMerican legal system is utterly bankrupt  — AND IT IS THE SAME attitude that encourages lawyers to disingenuously misread a comma in the Second Amendment, irresponsibly — and ineffectively — attempting to interpret gun rights out of existence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was raised in a liberal, religious, gun-hating, pacifist, feminist household during the Vietnam War.  Even so, I can stay awake during history class.  I can read.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Truth is, anyone –even any lawyer, even any liberal — can read the plain truth.  It’s there in black and white.  The handwriting is on the historical wall — and on the cultural wall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those are inalienable rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea that anything some judge says goes, or that the Executive branch is empowered to do anything it can get away with, is utterly without merit.  It’s more than half the problem we face today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think about it:  Gore stands up for the Second Amendment — and wins the election.  NO BUSH.  Of course, he wouldn’t be the man he is today, so THAT would be a BIG loss. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Inaline&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Mom’s side of the family is from East Tennessee.  </p>
<p>As I understand it, all Al Gore had to do to carry BOTH West Virginia and Tennessee — was to come out for the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.</p>
<p>For a variety of reasons, this was a monumental miscalculation.</p>
<p>Couching a vocal and determined pro-2nd Amendment position as one of 10 inviolable components of the Bill of Rights would have been a strong point of differentiation.</p>
<p>Specifically because it’s a real and coherent adherence to a conservative Constitutional approach and the American social contract.  Compare that to Bush’s legal tactics in relation to the rule of law.  Bush’s attitude that ANY RHETORICAL PLOY is available or justified in the AMerican legal system is utterly bankrupt  — AND IT IS THE SAME attitude that encourages lawyers to disingenuously misread a comma in the Second Amendment, irresponsibly — and ineffectively — attempting to interpret gun rights out of existence.</p>
<p>I was raised in a liberal, religious, gun-hating, pacifist, feminist household during the Vietnam War.  Even so, I can stay awake during history class.  I can read.  </p>
<p>Truth is, anyone –even any lawyer, even any liberal — can read the plain truth.  It’s there in black and white.  The handwriting is on the historical wall — and on the cultural wall.</p>
<p>Those are inalienable rights.</p>
<p>The idea that anything some judge says goes, or that the Executive branch is empowered to do anything it can get away with, is utterly without merit.  It’s more than half the problem we face today.</p>
<p>Think about it:  Gore stands up for the Second Amendment — and wins the election.  NO BUSH.  Of course, he wouldn’t be the man he is today, so THAT would be a BIG loss. </p>
<p>Inaline</p>
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		<title>By: SombreroFallout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-122969</link>
		<dc:creator>SombreroFallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tug @ 195 — John Gaventa has done some amazing work while with the Highlander Center in Haymarket TN.  He helped organize average folks to go through courthouse records across Appalachia to track down who actually owned the Cumberland Mountains.  Turns — after burrowing down through many shell corporations in many different counties — it was the Lord Mayor of London.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gaventa gave the keynote speech at the first “Who Owns America?” Conference.  One book I’ve found useful is “Communities in Economic Crisis: Appalachia and the South.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(The Highlander Center “trained” — worked with — John Lewis and Rosa PArks.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Highlander Center&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tug @ 195 — John Gaventa has done some amazing work while with the Highlander Center in Haymarket TN.  He helped organize average folks to go through courthouse records across Appalachia to track down who actually owned the Cumberland Mountains.  Turns — after burrowing down through many shell corporations in many different counties — it was the Lord Mayor of London.  </p>
<p>Gaventa gave the keynote speech at the first “Who Owns America?” Conference.  One book I’ve found useful is “Communities in Economic Crisis: Appalachia and the South.”</p>
<p>(The Highlander Center “trained” — worked with — John Lewis and Rosa PArks.)</p>
<p>The Highlander Center</p>
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		<title>By: chharriett</title>
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		<dc:creator>chharriett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops…meant to type Governor (need more coffee!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: chharriett</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-121988</link>
		<dc:creator>chharriett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I applaud your post, as I grew up in the mountains of NC, which was back then, similar to your part of WV. I too love real bluegrass, and your thoughts dredged up so many fond memories (except for the Ramp Festival!) On Saturday summer evenings, there was a bluegrss concert in the town square that EVERYONE attended. It was at those gatherings that my father, who was a US Marshall, began to become heavily involved in politics,not only because he was a fierce defender of justice and equality, but also because he was so beloved by EVERYONE he met! He became the local Democratic leader upon his retirement, and then after helping Jim Hunt become Govenor, was appointed to a newly-created (for him!) position of Mr. Hunt’s Western NC Representative. The reason I’m writing all of this is because I feel very strongly that it is at these gatherings where ideas and opinions are formed. My father did nothing except attend these functions, and spoke to everyone, no matter what their views were. This is the real ‘grassroots’ of a movement. This is where we can make the most difference! Any ideas??? How about finding a great band who believes in our message, and then supporting them, or having a ‘festival’ of sorts?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud your post, as I grew up in the mountains of NC, which was back then, similar to your part of WV. I too love real bluegrass, and your thoughts dredged up so many fond memories (except for the Ramp Festival!) On Saturday summer evenings, there was a bluegrss concert in the town square that EVERYONE attended. It was at those gatherings that my father, who was a US Marshall, began to become heavily involved in politics,not only because he was a fierce defender of justice and equality, but also because he was so beloved by EVERYONE he met! He became the local Democratic leader upon his retirement, and then after helping Jim Hunt become Govenor, was appointed to a newly-created (for him!) position of Mr. Hunt’s Western NC Representative. The reason I’m writing all of this is because I feel very strongly that it is at these gatherings where ideas and opinions are formed. My father did nothing except attend these functions, and spoke to everyone, no matter what their views were. This is the real ‘grassroots’ of a movement. This is where we can make the most difference! Any ideas??? How about finding a great band who believes in our message, and then supporting them, or having a ‘festival’ of sorts?</p>
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		<title>By: jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 14:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Almost Heaven..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was born and lived for a few years in (almost Heaven) and the poor folk there thought of FDR as a god and Jesus was a distant second.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;George W Bush has brought out the very worst in what had been a backward but sane population.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someday I pray W Va will start moving foward again in the traditional progressive way it had been moving. John Denver had it right, there was plenty of room for improvement but it is almost Heaven.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost Heaven..</p>
<p>I was born and lived for a few years in (almost Heaven) and the poor folk there thought of FDR as a god and Jesus was a distant second.</p>
<p>George W Bush has brought out the very worst in what had been a backward but sane population.</p>
<p>Someday I pray W Va will start moving foward again in the traditional progressive way it had been moving. John Denver had it right, there was plenty of room for improvement but it is almost Heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Street &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The South Will Whine Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Street &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The South Will Whine Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 10:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Here’s a prime example. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-121794</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 08:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, Christy, I grew up in Virginia and when I was a boy scout we’d go spelunking in W. VA.  It was my favorite trip.  Like the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA, much of W. VA is gorgeous.  And having lived in almost every area of the U.S (7 states so far, I’m not counting mere visits), I really dislike regional stereotypes from people that have never been to the place they’re deriding.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Historically, W. VA has been the most Democratic-voting state in the nation in terms of presidential elections.  It’s really sad that Gore could not win W. VA or his home state of Tennessee.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder, though, if for W. VA a lot of the issue is the decline of unions and union power, since traditionally, it’s been one of the strong union states. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An additional problem is that constituencies that had been economically progressive in the past are voting along socially conservative lines.  Until the Democratic party cracks that one, I’m not sure things are going to change.  But it’s one reason I’m in favor of Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Allison Krauss and Union Station are amazing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Christy, I grew up in Virginia and when I was a boy scout we’d go spelunking in W. VA.  It was my favorite trip.  Like the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA, much of W. VA is gorgeous.  And having lived in almost every area of the U.S (7 states so far, I’m not counting mere visits), I really dislike regional stereotypes from people that have never been to the place they’re deriding.   </p>
<p>Historically, W. VA has been the most Democratic-voting state in the nation in terms of presidential elections.  It’s really sad that Gore could not win W. VA or his home state of Tennessee.  </p>
<p>I wonder, though, if for W. VA a lot of the issue is the decline of unions and union power, since traditionally, it’s been one of the strong union states. </p>
<p>An additional problem is that constituencies that had been economically progressive in the past are voting along socially conservative lines.  Until the Democratic party cracks that one, I’m not sure things are going to change.  But it’s one reason I’m in favor of Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy.  </p>
<p>And Allison Krauss and Union Station are amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: bakho</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/winning-over-the-hills-and-hollers-crowd/#comment-121687</link>
		<dc:creator>bakho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s West (BY GOD) Virginia.  Most of us left because there were no jobs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why not more about the Phillipi races and how West (By GOD) Virginia ran Robert E Lee and his Aristocrats out of the state for the duration of the Civil War.  What about the WV answer to racism?  Ex Slaves married into mountain families as my own family did.  What about the mine wars?  Matewan?  Even modern day “Dump your coal on the entrance ramp” activism?  We have a gas war, every bit as important as the mine wars.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why can’t Democrats run as the party of Mine safety against the NY mine owners?  This is the time to go negative on Republicans in a big way and make them pay for all the bad they have inflicted on WV and elsewhere in the last decade.  The list is long and difficult to refute.  Air it out.   Tora Tora Tora!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s West (BY GOD) Virginia.  Most of us left because there were no jobs.</p>
<p>So why not more about the Phillipi races and how West (By GOD) Virginia ran Robert E Lee and his Aristocrats out of the state for the duration of the Civil War.  What about the WV answer to racism?  Ex Slaves married into mountain families as my own family did.  What about the mine wars?  Matewan?  Even modern day “Dump your coal on the entrance ramp” activism?  We have a gas war, every bit as important as the mine wars.  </p>
<p>Why can’t Democrats run as the party of Mine safety against the NY mine owners?  This is the time to go negative on Republicans in a big way and make them pay for all the bad they have inflicted on WV and elsewhere in the last decade.  The list is long and difficult to refute.  Air it out.   Tora Tora Tora!!</p>
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		<title>By: citizen k</title>
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		<dc:creator>citizen k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She said “sure did try to love you honey&lt;br /&gt;
but I can’t say here any more&lt;br /&gt;
we lost our home, and Haliburton took our money&lt;br /&gt;
your politics just sent me out the door&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up&lt;br /&gt;
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck&lt;br /&gt;
my papa said son it’s time to be a man&lt;br /&gt;
but I was just another damn republican&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She said saying “bring it on” don’t make you tough&lt;br /&gt;
and cheering bombs on the TV don’t mean you’re strong&lt;br /&gt;
She said waving the flag just wasn’t good enough&lt;br /&gt;
and the war in Iraq was evil and wrong&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up&lt;br /&gt;
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck&lt;br /&gt;
kept on cheering those rich guys on Fox&lt;br /&gt;
and now cousin Billy came home in a box&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She said Jesus told us to take care of the poor&lt;br /&gt;
and Preachers with silk suits don’t know wrong from right&lt;br /&gt;
She said America don’t need a king any more&lt;br /&gt;
so stop praying to the President every night&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sitting in the honkey tonk feeling like a fool&lt;br /&gt;
shoulda learned my lesson during Vietnam&lt;br /&gt;
in America the beautiful we got a rule&lt;br /&gt;
a working man’s a sucker if he’s republican&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said “sure did try to love you honey<br />
but I can’t say here any more<br />
we lost our home, and Haliburton took our money<br />
your politics just sent me out the door</p>
<p>I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up<br />
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck<br />
my papa said son it’s time to be a man<br />
but I was just another damn republican</p>
<p>She said saying “bring it on” don’t make you tough<br />
and cheering bombs on the TV don’t mean you’re strong<br />
She said waving the flag just wasn’t good enough<br />
and the war in Iraq was evil and wrong</p>
<p>I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up<br />
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck<br />
kept on cheering those rich guys on Fox<br />
and now cousin Billy came home in a box</p>
<p>She said Jesus told us to take care of the poor<br />
and Preachers with silk suits don’t know wrong from right<br />
She said America don’t need a king any more<br />
so stop praying to the President every night</p>
<p>I’m sitting in the honkey tonk feeling like a fool<br />
shoulda learned my lesson during Vietnam<br />
in America the beautiful we got a rule<br />
a working man’s a sucker if he’s republican</p>
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