
I have a confession. Not only am I a born and raised West Virginian. But I enjoy country music. In particular, I love bluegrass music — and not just the soundtrack to O Brother, Where Art Thou that was so popular some years back (although Allison Kraus and Union Station kick some serious bluegrass ass, I must say), but the old timey sort of bluegrass that you heard from Flatt and Scruggs, and that you can still catch on the stage at county fairs where I live or on those happy occasions that Dolly Parton puts out a new bluegrass album.
You are probably sitting there thinking "what the hell kind of political analysis post is this?" but bear with me. Digby hits some notes that I want to expand on the whole cultural connection issue, expanding some thoughts from Chris Bowers at MyDD on American tribalism. Living, as I do, in the heart of the "hills and hollers" crowd, I see this sort of discussion is a necessary one at a national political level — because too often this part of the country has either been written off or taken for granted.
The Democratic party used to pretty much own this area. And they still do in local and statewide elections for the most part. But because the party infrastructure was taken for granted here for so long, and because national campaigns just took for granted that the votes would be here when they wanted them instead of working to maintain a connection — the well has gone dry the last couple of elections, and we need to do a lot more priming to get the votes flowing again.
Digby writes, talking about a song from the CMAs the other day:
Now that’s identity. I emphasized the "can’t get no respect" part because I think that’s key, as I have written many times before. The belief that these ideas are particular to this audience, that they stand alone as being politically incorrect and are "out of style" for holding them, is a huge cultural identifier. And it’s held in opposition to some "other" (presumably someone like me) who is believed not to care about any of those things — particularly the welfare of the common man.
Bowers writes:
Motivating voters and pulling off a landslide election will require a gut-level change of attitude about the two parties among millions of Americans. For all of the great policies everyone will suggest Democrats to run on this fall, ultimately winning will be based just as much on how Americans view their identity in relation to the image of the two coalitions as anything else. We need to avoid falling into the wonk trap of assuming that people are motivated by policy details. It is the identity, stupid. We need to explore ways to motivate voters for progressive causes with that in mind.
The conservative southern coalition has a very clear sense of identity. They always have. I would suggest that back in the day the New England and Midwestern cultural identifiers were pretty solidly Main Street bourgeois — if you made it your kids got to go to college and you got to join the chamber of commerce and the country club. But that’s no longer the case. The non-southern Party appears to exist mainly as a repository of opposition to conservative policies. Is that true?
I’m not certain this goes far enough. Far be it for me to contradict Digby (and I feel queasy even saying that), but here goes: it’s not just that the Democrats have been playing the "non-Southern party" in recent elections or that they seem to have morphed into an "at least we’re not the other guy" campaign — but that they haven’t even been very good at that in the end. In fact, they suck at it because they keep voting with the other guy.
I feel like all I do is repeat this, but here goes: it’s not enough to hope that people will vote against the other guy, we have to give them a reason to get up off their behinds and want to vote FOR us.
Honestly, let’s think about it for a minute — can you count the number of truly principled stands that you can recall the Democratic party taking in the last five years on more than one hand? Me neither. I’m not saying that the Republican party is any better, but now that the veneer of competence and honesty has slipped off their stinking mockery of a rose, wouldn’t it be awfully nice for Democrats to capitalize on the opportunity by standing up FOR the American people — ALL of the American people? Including the ones that have been taken for granted and all but ignored the last few years?
The South is made up of a big mix of economic strata — but the unifying theme from the very wealthy down to the poorest of the poor is this: what they’d like is some respect and to be treated like they are just as important and intelligent as the rest of the country. Not like some poor hayseed cousin that you are too embarrassed to take to the country club for fear he’ll belch the national anthem before the sorbet course.
And don’t give me that crap that we can just forget about the South and still take all the "battleground" states and win on the electoral map. There are blue collar people in every freaking state — or people who come from blue collar stock, and even though they’ve worked their way up to the suburbs and a two-car garage, they still see themselves as one step removed from the trailer park. (I still do, and I’m two steps removed…)
The Democratic party used to stand for the little guy. The Common Man. The underdog that could make good if he were only given a chance. The widow who got squeezed out of her husband’s pension. You know the list.
And they still do — but the problem is that no one, not even me and I’m a big ole Democratic supporter, NO ONE see the Democratic Party as actually STANDING right now. It’s more of a barely raising your hand in class, and hoping just maybe the teacher won’t notice you until she’s already called on someone else, but you can at least get credit for the hand raising part there.
But for the hills and hollers crowd — and really all of the South and the parts of the country where we like our leaders to have some freaking balls — that’s not nearly enough.
Which is why the Feingold censure movement caught fire in the blogosphere. Which is why people still adore Paul Wellstone. Which is why there are old people all over the state of West Virginia who have a picture of John F. Kennedy right up there on the wall next to their picture of Jesus.
My whole professional life was spent in the courthouse among the "unclean" in America — the underprivileged, for the most part, the drug addicts, the petty criminals, the child abusers, the people you get to mow your lawn and then they rob you while you are on vacation, the folks that all those gated communities work so hard to keep out unless they need a handyman. And you know what I learned? For the most part, they were all just like me but for one, simple fact: my parents worked hard to give me a sense of values, identity and hope, and these folks mostly came from crappy families who disrespected them and taught them to expect nothing better from life than what they already had.
You want to know why John Kennedy is so revered, still, in West Virginia? Because when he campaigned here, he spoke in the language of hope. Of lifting people out of the dark hell of the coal mines and into whatever dream they wanted to achieve. And, despite being from a seriously wealthy family from Massachusetts, he took the time to speak to regular folks like he valued their opinion and not like he was better than they were — and they felt the more valuable for it.
Bill Clinton did the same thing — because he understood exactly what it was like to be in those shoes.
What is missing from politics today is empathy and respect. George Bush was able to fake it for a while with some of the people, because they hungered for it so badly from their leaders that they were willing to look past the smirks and the sly glances to the side at his staffers when he delivered his lines. But that curtain has long been pulled away, and the frat boy simper doesn’t hold the lustre it once did.
What we need is a Democratic party — and party leadership — that steps up to that challenge. Karl Rove’s faux concern malarky isn’t playing well in Peoria any longer, because it’s been exposed for the lie that it is. What we need is to step up to the plate and provide real concern. To highlight the plight of real people in America.
But to do that, we need some fresh ideas — and we need politicians will to step up and honestly run with them. From the gut, from the heart — all the way, not just half-assed, but all the way to the finish line. And we need to provide hope for everyone, not just the golden parachute crowd — everyone in this country needs to feel like they have a stake. Because they DO have one. And that their actions can make a difference — make a change — and bring something better for themselves and their children.
And it is about time we reminded them of that fact. Now, THAT is a reason to get off your butt and away from that Hee Haw re-run to go and vote.
(This photo is of the gorgeous New River Gorge area, in southern West Virginia. I’m lucky enough to have been there a bazillion times in my lifetime, but a whole lot of my state is still this beautiful. Thought I’d share a little glimpse with everyone else this morning.)
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fitz!!
By the frootz of their labors you shall know them…and by the Fitz they cause.
Fri, May 26, 2006 6:28pm EST
“Media Matters”; by Jamison Foser
The defining issue of our time is not the Iraq war. It is not the “global war on terror.” It is not our inability (or unwillingness) to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable health care. Nor is it immigration, outsourcing, or growing income inequity. It is not education, it is not global warming, and it is not Social Security.
The defining issue of our time is the media.
The dominant political force of our time is not Karl Rove or the Christian Right or Bill Clinton. It is not the ruthlessness or the tactical and strategic superiority of the Republicans, and it is not your favorite theory about what is wrong with the Democrats.
The dominant political force of our time is the media.
Time after time, the news media have covered progressives and conservatives in wildly different ways — and, time after time, they do so to the benefit of conservatives.
Consider the last two presidents. Bill Clinton faced near-constant media obsession with his “scandals,” while George W. Bush has gotten off comparatively easy…..Read On
Thoughtful post.
In terms of presidential campaigns, it pushes me right back into the John Edwards camp. He knows how to talk to people. ALL kinds of people, in the language of hope.
Beyond that, in general party terms I agree. The dems used to be as much about getting down in the dirt with the common folks and giving them a hand to push themselves up, more than reaching down from on high and ‘pulling’ them up. It’s a subtle distinction, but an important one.
I read that Digby post and thought, “Yes. It’s not something I could do, but I’d love to see some real identity based country songwriting!”
I’ve been listening to the new Dixie Chicks album and my partner and I plan to see them when they come to town.
Back in the day, mountain music took on the what it was to be for the union. It’s time to bring more of that kind of people-powered identity back around on the banjo.
Dennis Kucinich in 2004 was just the man to fit your description of what we need in a Democrat candidate. And look what happened to him-Democrats and Republicans made light of him and his message. Some even ridiculed his plain, homespun manner. Every Republican criticism of him was picked up by the Democrats and used against him. Now, many are doing the same thing to Russ Feingold. I’ll stay home in the coming election if the Democrats don’t change their ways.
Nice post Christy. Though I think it’s safe to say that the theme has been repeated over and over again, yet it’s just not registering. Then again, it seems they aren’t listening.
That said, I think Kerry has recently gotten a clue. Rumor has it that he ejected his consultants and is now speaking from his heart. Based on some of his recent statements, there is a palpable improvement. Still though, he’s almost a lost cause. That wind surfing pic will be his albatross for a long time.
Right now it seems the only Democrat that is speaking truth 24/7 is the one that’s not in office or running: Al Gore.
I pray every single day that Gore will find it in his heart to come to this country’s rescue. He’s EXACTLY what this country needs right now. He’s no JFK, but what else do we have? Feingold is doing well, but I don’t believe he can win an election as the top name. (I love the guy, but I just don’t seem him winning.) Then there’s Hillary. Though I was shocked she was on the correct side of the Hayden vote, I still see her as a pathetic pandering DLC lackey. Anyone else is just another name in a bucket. A sudden dark horse could show up, but who would want to take over this train wreck that Bush has made?
My ultimate dream though is for Gore to announce sometime in December 06. But what would make it a dream would be for the Dems to agree that Gore IS the best thing and show united support behind him. Don’t even have run anyone against him. Just join together as one solid party and tell the whole country that the Dems are coming to the rescue and WE ALL support Gore as the leader of the charge.
Oh well, just a dream I know, but it’s that kind of movement that would radically change the Democrat’s image throughout the country.
I see the issue as charity versus solidarity.
Republicans want to see the government get out of the helping people business and let charity take over. But what is charity? It’s money that you pay to keep poor people at arm’s length. Money that lets you tell yourself you are not the same as them.
The Democratic Party needs to step up for solidarity. Solidarity means you help people out, not because you are better than they are but because you are the same as them. You used to be them, or you could be them, or they could be you. It’s a fundamentally different stance.
Slightly OT,
I caught the last 10 minutes of charlie rose on pbs last night. What a disgusting display of despicable giggling whackjobs. They spent their time dissing ‘the angry left’, Markos, CTG and Daily Kos at large.
Guest Host: DAVID BROOKS, The New York Times
BRUCE REED, President, The Democratic Leadership Council
ANDREW SULLIVAN, Senior Editor, The New Republic / Essayist, Time
DAVID FRUM, American Enterprise Institute
Reed, WhoTF cares.
Sullivan, trying to make friends, as usual.
Frum, doesn’t get worse.
Brooks, Mr. meme.
They look in the mirror and see angry, banal wingnuts.
Bonus, Al Gore really scares the piss outa these fcuktards.
fitz
Zergle-
Maybe a good way to think of it is like this:
Would you announce your candidacy now and have the smear machine watching and reporting your every move, or wait until the last minute and avoid all that?
> what they’d like is some respect and
> to be treated like they are just as
> important and intelligent as the rest
> of the country.
I am afraid I must disagree a bit here. I don’t know very many Democrats, “liberals”, “left-wingers”, or even “Communists” who don’t show respect for / disrespect anyone else in any subculture in the US. A few? Sure. Just as there are a few (or more) bigoted Rush Limbaugh disciples out there. But all? Or most? Or constant disrespect? No. If you disagree, please provide me with some significant examples.
The problem I see is that when anyone from any other area/culture in the US does in fact deal with anyone from the South with respect for that person as an intelligent human being, they are THEN criticized for “talking down”, “arrogance”, “elitism”, and “East Coast behavior”. In other words, taking a person seriously as a citizen and expecting them to reciprocate is “talking down”!
So for anyone to the left of Dobson it seems to be damned if you don’t, DOUBLE DAMNED if you do. It is a lose-lose attitude. I don’t see how that can ever be overcome, and trying to do so just twists otherwise good Democratic candidates (e.g. Dean) into pretzels.
Does that mean that Dems / “liberals” are doomed to minority status forever? I say no, because the one thing that Dems could do that would get a workable percentage of southerners to vote for them is to /stand up and fight/. THAT is what earns enough respect to get votes from people who disagree with you. If in the 2nd debate John Kerry had said “Hell yes I am from Massachusets. Just like Paul Revere, [insert more heros here], and George Bush’s grandfather. I am proud of being from Massachusets and DAMN PROUD OF BEING A LIBERAL! Stuff it in your face George”, well then, I think he would have gotten infinitely more respect and, yes, more votes.
Cranky
I’m a bluegrass fan myself, and a solid political Liberal, and I agree with every damn thing you said. There *is* a south. There *is* a midwest. There *is* a heartland. And the folks who live in these places aren’t stupid and their votes *do* count. Our Democratic political leaders need to fire their consultants and strategists, dump their soundbites and focus groups, and look folks right in the eye and talk to them, honestly, and not even worry about whether or not they agree on all the issues or whether they can spin things just right to get more votes.
I know plenty of folks who will vote for someone they have differences with just so long as they know they can trust them to do what they think is right, instead of playing slimeball politician.
It’s all about trust, and you can’t trust folks who you think are playing games with you. Like Howard Dean and Russ Feingold, if the rest of the Dems stand up, explain who they are, and say they are proud of who they are, and stop appologizing for it, they’ll do all right in the next election.
But if our Democratic leaders and candidates think that tossing a whole bunch of TV spots into swing states will win this country over, we Dems are going to be the minority party once again.
Not a bazillion, maybe, but I was in beautiful WVa a lot in the decade I lived in Bristol, TN.
And I think you and Digby and Bowers are bang on about the importance of the identity / tribal driver in politics. But where do identity politics and tribalism come from, and what makes them so powerful?
Tribalism is a very human defensive reaction to fear of Others, and Republicans seem better able and always willing to fan that fear. Tribalism is hard to overcome.
Identity too, I think, often means more than just “he is like me.” I think it means “he is like me, and that makes BOTH OF US okay.”
No matter who we put forth, they will be smeared as fake, phony, weak, etc. So why not put forth people who actually stand for something! Who cares what Republican smear machine and the corporate media (sorry, redundancy) will say about them? We already know. So let’s put forth people who know what they stand for and will keep saying it.
No more “electibility!”
Christy, great post.
I’ve been a longtime bluegrass fan, too (an older brother of a high school friend turned me on to it). I try to go to a festival every summer and even have a big ol’ straw hat that’s been signed by Ralph Stanley and Earl Scruggs. I’m still deciding who gets the coveted #3 spot on the hat. I would’ve liked it to be John Hartford (my first bluegrass fave), but, sadly, that’s not possible.
Nice pic,New River Gorge is’nt it.Climber’s paradise.
Thank you for this post, Christy. I am from Georgia, born and raised, and have often been astonished at the number of people across the country who believe that the South is our national repository for “hicks”, that somehow the rest of the country is made up entirely of dazzling urbanites. I went to college in NY, and some people there seemed to expect they would have to use small words and speak very slowly for me to understand them.
It also seems that people forget that the population of the South is not only white reactionary conservatives. There are plenty of white progressives, there is a huge population of african-americans, and there are newer, rapidly expanding populations of hispanics and asians. And, just like people everywhere, people in the South do need representatives who will reach out to them with genuine sincerity and empathy.
Here’s hoping the Democrats will wake up and stand up.
Laid bare.Too many in this nation are NOT intellectually/politically savy enough to differentiate between what they like/ or is popular and what is a violation of other’s rights to choose or of our constitution.You will never reach enough of these people to make a political difference.It is that ‘gut appeal’ that the GOP has seized upon.When the day comes that showing the declaration of independence/constitution at a 4th of July VFW
picnic is not seen a the writings of ‘commies’ etc. THEN the tide will turn.I’m a realist.George Bush is the ‘perfect’ leader to lead this nation to it’s sad journeys end.Too late IMHO.
Most of the national politicians pass through here in Iowa at some point. Many have already started their ‘08 campaignes. But, you know what?? Most of them won’t be seen in the typical small town Iowa. They’ll be found in the ‘cosmopolitian’ areas like Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, and the Quad Cities, not Vinton, Newton, Shellsburg, or my Aunt Neoma’s farm. They don’t get that as much as 90% of the population here is either still on the farm or are one generation removed. I have a split identity, part farm family and part city family, even though I never lived on the farms of family members. But, I do remember going and visiting aunts and cousins that are still on the farms.
So, yes, I agree that many of the national politicians can’t identify with the ‘common man’. Or there are very few that can. I do know that the current govenor of Iowa is going to try to make a run for president in ‘08. But, some of the rumor is that he’s not expecting to get the nomination, but a cabinet post (probably Dept of Ag). He’s not running for re-election.
DAVID FRUM, American Enterprise Institute
Was he wearing a sweater vest?
I’m from SE Ohio Christy,though I left once the auto industry died leaving behind abject poverty in it’s wake.I still have family there,and life hasn’t improved over the last 20 yrs,it’s got much worse.
Now I live in GA,and even with the 50 state initiative and all,I see very little grassroots activity in the Democratic party here in Metro Atlanta(though it may be different in other parts of the state).
Whenever a progressive visits this area(Metro Atlanta now has sprawled out to include about 20 counties)they only seem to visit Atlanta and rarely if ever go outside that little blue haven.For me,that’s about an hour drive into serious clusterfuck traffic one way.It makes it hard to join in and be active.
In short,I feel written off by liberals and Democrats in general.The short time I spent trying to connect with local Democrats didn’t impress me at all.It’s a club,and not a very welcoming or accessable one.Maybe I just went looking in the wrong places,I suppose that’s possible.
Another thing that bugs me is that when there are discussions about the South among progressive liberal folks(panels,articles,etc),those discussions don’t often include those who live here now.It seems to me that one can’t get a feel for the political climate of a certain place on the map if you never visit there or invest anything in talking to people who live there.There seems to be an unwillingness to move outside the comfort zones,here,that would be Atlanta or places around the city with high minority populations.I’m not chiding anyone for that,and heaven knows that work is needed,but it’s neglecting a huge part of the population currently being written off as”red”.This area is full of people who moved here from other parts of the country over the last 20 yrs.Many came during the big construction boom of the 80’s and never left(like me,lol).In other words,there are many of us down here who came from more liberal parts of the country,or who have always had more liberal views who don’t feel welcomed or that we belong anywhere politically speaking.
Support for the war in this very red county is starting to shift.People aren’t just feeling the sting of gas prices,they’re bitching about overdevelopment and urban sprawl that makes traffic a nightmare and has destroyed alot of what made this area so attractive(the trees,the sense of living on the edges of a rural area and the peace and quiet that goes with that,etc)in the first place.Food prices are going through the roof,it’s getting harder and harder to have any savings or send kids to college.And with this discontent brewing,some smart and simple politics could shift things dramatically.
Sure,there’s still quite a few Republican diehards,many from families who go back several generations as staunch conservatives.And we have megachurches everywhere.But I don’t get the impression that they are the majority these days.People are starting to come around,but when they do,who will be there for them? It’s one of those “vote for the devil you know,rather than the one you don’t”things.
not much a of country music fan, but bluegrass is different. them’s some fine pick’n skills. as even yo yo ma understands.
but i don’t care what they say, Conservatives, just do not get rock and roll.
I felt Howard Dean cared about the lives and hopes of citizens, and expressed his concern honestly and clearly. But within five days of suggesting that we needed to break up the media monopolies, they turned him into a wack-job parody, and that was that.
AKUS has 3 Wins 48th Annual Grammy Awards
AKUS = Allison Krauss Union Station
Absolutely on target, once again, Christy. I have relatives who can still be brought to tears over the loss of JFK and RFK. They were like us, from families who came up from poor roots AND remembered who and what are important. I really miss candidates who are something more that fairly acceptable.
A few years back (I think it was in 1998 or so), NPR did a segment on Bobby on the anniversary of his death. The most moving part was an interview with an elderly man from West Virginia who met and spoke with Bobby when he visited the backroad on which the elderly man lived. The elderly man told Bobby how much JFK meant to him and his family and that he thought someone like JFK must have been just too good to live in this world, then he embraced Bobby. At this point, I’m sitting in my office bawling. The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree, I guess. Anyway, the elderly man said that a couple weeks later that trucks showed up and workers fixed the road and everyone’s roof. He knew that Bobby had sent them and didn’t want or need credit for it.
In our last election, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (Bobby’s daughter) ran against Robert Ehrlich (a Gringrich Republican) for governor of Maryland. You’d think this would be a slam dunk for Townsend, but some how during the course of the election she seemed to lose all of her father and uncle’s common touch. She alienated the big African American churches in the urban/suburban areas, blew off the doctors organizations up in Baltimore, and seemed to ignore the farming community. What was she doing? Her campaign seemed to be enamoured with fancy out-of-state interests and taking a LOT of the dyed-in-the-wool Dems for granted. I knew an unfortunate number of people who were majorly pissed off by this and voted for Ehrlich out of spite. Of course, now we’re living with results of that spite, governed by a man who’s trying to sell off beloved State parks (including some that community groups such as a high school had raised funds to ADD to the park system) to cronies in sweetheart deals. We’re finding out that he did a slash-and-burn through State government, firing or driving out highly qualified employees (not appointees) to further an agenda not supported by most residents. Sort of like what we have at the National level, no?
You’re absolutely right. Democratic party needs not only to court swing voters, but to shore up the quiet base groups that have been taken for granted.
> I went to college in NY, and some people
> there seemed to expect they would have to
> use small words and speak very slowly for
> me to understand them.
sp,
From my perspective it is a nice lose-lose situation: if you then speak at the pace of the averge American, and use any words or phrasing more complex than 6th-grade civics, you are accused of “talking down”. There is no way to get to a mutually benefical situation when one of the parties tries to force lose-lose on the other.
Cranky
That is one good post,and so true.Leaders who will stand up become heros to us(Feingold,Lamont,ect.)because so few do.
I recognized the Gorge from the photo before I read the post.
Great topic. Kentucky has the same history/political pattern. I think the split has something to do with never framing the civil rights debate for rural populations. The memes embedded in songs can change our fortunes. Where are the wordsmiths?
ralphinlex
Al Gore is going to save us? The Democrats that brought us NAFTA and CAFTA are going to save us? The Clinton/Gore administration did more to screw American working people than any Republican administration I can remember. Every time American workers see their factories close and their jobs shipped off to China or Bangladesh they can thank Clinton/Gore. To hell with Al Gore and the rest of DLC Free Market cabal. Let him keep making movies.
Great post, Christy.
I couldn’t agree more. People are yearning for a message of hope.
Two weeks ago, I attended my son’s college graduation at the University of Maine. U Maine is a big state school and most of the parents and grandparents in attendance were NOT old money types. It appeared that for many of the families there, their child was the first family member to earn a college degree.
John Edwards was the commencement speaker. He spoke to this crowd and they responded. He was excellent, and more importantly–genuine. I think most of the people who heard him felt inspired and invigorated. He would get people to set down their bag of Cheetos, turn off the TV and go VOTE on election day. And feel good about it.
what Dems used to stand for was a kind of ubuntu—the concept of community being enriched by each member of the community—and thus each member respected all the others. Where did we lose that—how did the flower power generation lose that sense????? that’s what Dems need to exhibit again—that’s what the blogs exhibit—everyone has a voice, everyone respects that each of us have something to say, that we add to our community here, that we are all lesser when some one leaves (hence the reaction a couple of weeks agowhen someone–epicurious maybe– was upset and signed off and people BEGGED her to stay, that we needed her, and showed how much we all cared about her—-that’s what the Dems need to exude on a larger scale.
Christie, last fall I did some volunteering just before the election in Boone County WV (I live in Putnam)—they were still talking about when JFK came, how he couldn’t be heard so he jumped into the back of a pick up truck on the Madison courthouse lawn and spoke to the crowd—those old miners still haven’t gotten over that one simple act of being willing to be one of “us”
Terry,
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend had a horrible campaign,seemed utterly aloof and incompetent(remember the’boys boot camp’scandle on her watch),and coming out of the Glendening camp did’nt help.Basically the Dem party strategy in miniture.A loser.
What is missing from politics today is empathy and respect.
Because having empathy has been framed as being condescending, being a do-gooder, which is equated with being weak. This really struck me as the most important point. How do you change the soul/psychology of the country?
Greg-
The Clinton/Gore administration did more to screw American working people than any Republican administration I can remember.
WHAT? are you kidding me? What about this administration? Do you have short-term memory loss?
Well, learning to respect people from the south will probably be a long row to hoe for most of the “progressive” community, especially north-easterners. They have a deeply rooted idea that they are, infact, better than people from the southern parts of the country.
I’ve been around progressive blogs for a while and whenever I have the nerve to reveal that I’m from the south I get alot of insults right off the bat. Some “progressives” seem to think the south does nothing for the nation and that we are somehow a sponge for your tax dollars, and they’re all too happy to tell “us” about it. Others think we sit around on our porches all day playing our banjos and drinking whiskey waiting for the next klan rally or welfare check to come in the mail to motivate us to get up. That kind of attitude would make you vote republican if it were directed at you often enough from democrats. Think about it, if one political party openly reviled you, where would you cast your votes?
Then there is the issue of immigration. Believe it or not, some southerners grew up seeing the horrors of the civil rights struggle and are VERY thoughtful about race, and have no racism in them. Those people take it very personal when you call them racist and guess what, plenty of them still care about the immigration issue too. When “progressives” start spouting about them being racist… they’ve just flushed that vote down the toilet. Infact, I would say that stopping the knee-jerk accusations of racism would be the first step to learning to respect people from the south, or feigning it.
I do appreciate you posting this(though I have to assume the hee-haw remark was in good fun and not condescension), I think it’s important not just for the south, but for the nation, to finally put an end to the animosity between hillbillies and yankees. And I do think you hit on an important point about how the Republicans swept the south. Americans have pride, that does include those from the south too, therefore faux respect, even if you know that’s what it is, is still preferable to outright dis-respect and that’s all the left seems to have for the south these days.
Terry,
Have you ever thought about joining the roots project?If interested,mail me at paradox65@comcast.net.
cathy 32 – just ignore it, it’ll go away
D. Mason at 33 — As someone who watched Hee Haw with her granny every week as a kid, and who lived for the Grandpa banjo moments (damn! that old guy could pick, couldn’t he?), it was most decidedly a personal tease at all my fellow hicks and nothing more.
A timely message. When I think of Hubert Humphrey or RFK or Paul Welstone, I become conscious of that populism that’s missing in today’s Democratic Party. Because Gore has populist roots in Tennessee he might be able to communicate respect to the people you write about, Christy. Makes me think that a Gore/Edwards ticket could take us back to our true Democratic legacy.
If someone has a copy of a Gore email address they should send him a copy of this post. It has a lot of food for thought!
Dearest Christy,
“My whole professional life was spent in the courthouse among the “unclean” in America… and these folks mostly came from crappy families who disrespected them and taught them to expect nothing better from life than what they already had.”
This one paragraph gave me chills. Thankyouthankyouthankyou.
Dammit, I have to run off to a meeting. I’ll catch up later, if that’s OK, for there is one so very crucial point that Digby makes Via Bowers that Christy includes and it’s this: It is the identity, stupid.
Spotonbingocouldn’tagreemore. And I could write pages on this very topic.
The trick is, how to recapture it. These parts of the country that Christy writes about, they were all staunchly Democratic and for decades so. The good news is, recapturing can be (not always) much less daunting and difficult than establishing.
It’s the identity, stupid. I love it!
I agree with you about Democrats not “standing up.” Let’s just take that as a given (and I’m betting, Digby doesn’t disagree on this point at all). But that’s something the Democrats have to do not just in terms of the South, but in terms of the nation as a whole.
What Digby is addressing, I think, is that the south’s “special” identity is more vulnerable to manipulation by both conservatives and the media, in part because there is a stronger sense of regional identity there than in other areas of the country.
In other words, the conservatives say “Kerry is a liberal Yankee that the Democrats are trying to shove down your throat” and the media follows it up by saying “Yes, Bush is so genuine, compared to stiff, stilted Kerry” while pointedly ignoring the Yankee silver spoon George had in his mouth when he was born. They did the SAME EXACT THING TO AL GORE and he was FROM the south.
The media, in this day and age, has the ability to alter and even overwrite an individual’s *immediate* perception of a candidate or of the Democratic Party in general. The net effect of that has been for Democrats to try not to say anything that the media can highlight as being particularly a) stupid or b) antithetical to… [southerner’s regional identity, as an example]. My sense, personally, is that Democrats need to be able to come out and make strong statements that they defend fiercely *even if* it gets someone’s regional nose out of joint. The trick is, though, if only one Dem does it, they have to face a) the conservatives, b) the media, and c) other Dems/progresives (who wish they hadn’t said what they said, or think that it’s a good point but was overstated, or that it was innapropriate to the moment, yada, yada.)
Until enough Dems speak out in unison, and not only slap down the media and the conservatives down, but exercise enough party discipline to NOT take the media when Tweety or Pumpkinhead offer it (ie, “So, what did you think of Russ Feingold’s motion to censure the president?”) Dems have to learn how to sidestep the question if they can’t respond with an unqualified “hell, yeah.” The need to respond by saying something like “evidence suggests that we were misled into this war, and I think the American people deserve to know X and I’m going to do Y.” In other words, reinforce the message that the Republicans suck and DON’T SLAM YOUR COLLEAGUES AND BY EXTENSION YOUR PARTY. Or, hell, say “What I came to talk to you today about, Tweety, was the X bill, which I’m sponsoring. All Americans need P and we’re going to do our best to make sure they get it…”
As an aside, I’d also like to point out that, from my perspective, the “good” image of the South is one southerners take pride in. But there is, conversely, no attempt by the media to create or reinforce any sort of positive identity for the Northeast (and I’m betting the same is true of the West Coast). And, to be frank — and I know you don’t think the South can be/should be ignored — but at a certain point, I can’t care about the South’s hurt feelings anymore. We northern media elite latte sipping Volvo driving liberals up get cast as/are told we’re as cold, unemotional, permissive (sex out of wedlock, gays, gay marriage, single motherhood), ruining the fabric of our society, overpriviliged, and out of touch, etc., etc., etc., and yet we manage to keep on keepin’ on.
It’s not so much we need fresh ideas–there is plenty of good in the policies and underlying philosophy of the Democratic Party–as long as we winnow away those corporatist/accomodationist/Liebermanist policies. What is needed is a politician or even a new type of campaigning who can relate these policies to the identities of the various segments of the electorate. That is, the messenger more than the message, is what needs fixed.
Christy is right that empathy is key. It can’t just be outward signs of class or regional identity. After all what plays well in Tuscaloosa doesn’t fly in Boston. I rather liked John Kerry–the effete, intellectual New Englander was fine by me (though I like the John Kerry of Going Upriver more than the John Kerry of 2004). But I can see how his style was a turnoff to large swaths of class and regional identities. Conversely, a good ol’ boy persona would have an uphill battle to win my vote. John Edwards, though, did seem to bridge that gap. Maybe someone from the West–someone in the Brian Schweitzer mold–would have enough local color about him to appear authentic at first glance, but not the baggage that seems to come from being a “Southerner” or “New Englander”.
The first step, though, is winning the war against the media. The trashing of the Clintons, the trashing of Gore, Chris Matthews continued homoerotic fixation on Bush, all show that they will trash whoever the Democratic nominee is.
The American public is finally awaken to fact that the RNC is more like Hollywood then the Dems.
They all read from the same script(Republican Talking Points)
Everything is choreographed for the cameras( Mission accomplished Banner,colors of flight suits,landing of plane etc)
Just like some hollywood movies,Republican policy plans have great titles but poor content.( No Child Left Behind,etc)
As Dens we need to talk our values to every voter in every state
When you talk about a campaign of hope, I immediately think of John Edwards. He seems to me by far, the Dem that understands and relates to the common folk. I have no idea why he hasn’t gone further to the top of the candidate heap.
I wonder if a JFK of today would make it. If the media and pundits who so love to take the Dems down, would ever alow him to get out of the gate. Is that what happened to Edwards? Is he not “cool” enough for the cool kids.?
Lord help us.
D.Mason,
Do you think it is disrespectful to black people who are the descendents of slaves to drive aound with the Confederate Battle Flag on your car? And/or to fly it from your state capitol building? Why or why not?
Cranky
Cathy – I TOTALLY agree. If Gore were to announce now it would be a complete mistake. No, I think he’s playing his cards right. Any announcement prior to Novemeber would be a wreck. Let the GOP focus on Hillary bashing. I mean they enjoy it, so let them at it. Then when Gore does announce he can do it like a 2×4 upside the GOP’s collective conciousness.
They act like Gore is a joke, but I have no doubt that the thought of Gore running scares the crap outta Rove and his cohorts.
I just hope when he does announce, it will be greeted with the kind of reaction I alluded to: A United stance from the entire Democratic party.
Oh and Greg…I was of the exact same mindset until just recently. Gore seems to have completely abandoned the DLC mentality. At least his speeches sure make it seem he has. I don’t blame you for your total distrust of the man, but I’d ask that you just give him a 2nd look. Frankly, he’s just not the same putz who lost in 2000. His change is radical, refreshing, and honest. And to me he’s a hell of a better option than Hillary. And have no doubt if we don’t get Gore, the odds of it not being Hillary are extreme.
Oh and one last thing to sum up the southern thing: Intelligence (or lack thereof) is not zip code specific. Just like it’s not race or nationality specific.
Cathy-
I think you’re suffering from long term memory loss. NAFTA, CAFTA and…I forgot to mention the WTO. If Clinton/Gore is the best Democrats can do then we are truly screwed.
twolf1-
Yeah, anyone who criticizes Clinton/Gore must be a troll, there is no other possible explanation.
NAFTA: A Clear Failure of Public Policy
by David Morris March 11, 1996
“…. Yet it was not Democrats that put NAFTA over the top. Sixty percent of the Democrats in the House voted against Clinton. It was Newt Gingrich’s aggressive intervention and Republican votes that made the difference….”
Emphasis mine.
While I, too respect the thinking in many of Digby’s posts, I have been dismayed, continually, by his “put down” of the South. As a southerner, I am all too aware of the political shortcomings and historical, racial equality failures, but the stereotyping that he exhibits and the responders to his posts show that there is still much prejudice against the South, even when the region has changed so drastically over the last 50 years.
There is still much to be done, but discounting a region and its values is not an intelligent strategy for the Democratic Party. There is much in southern behavior which could lift the Party to success, if they paid attention to it. Someone mentioned John Edwards ability to communicate genuine compassion for “the common man.” This is not an anomaly in the South. The reason for his empathy is the context from which it comes: genuine economic hardships, religious faith, family loyalty and cohesiveness, and hard work.
In spite of the influx of new people from other parts of the country, the South still retains the warp and woof of a tightly-woven psyche which embraces values worthy of emulation and
imitation on the national level. Bush hijacked those values and bambozzled innocent people who were disgusted with Clinton’s sexual
recklessness. Now, Bush is shown for what he is: a complete phony, and his Party is corrupt.
This is the opportunity for the Democrats to listen to Edwards and others who know how to speak to people and inspire them. Kerry is not the one. Clinton (Hillary) is not the one. But, the obvious integrity of a Russ Feingold could, or an Al Gore. Where is any “dirt” on Gore? Any sexual pecadillo? Not any. A straight arrow, a straight talker.
But, you only get straight talk from a candidate
who eschews consultants, and a Party which allows the candidates to speak for their own selves. The Party needs to trust its candidates and their ideas. The Party has failed. And, their choice (Kerry) for Presidential candidate has failed. They need to listen to citizens not paid consultants. For instance, how can one trust their loyalty? Look at David Gergen, who served as a Republican advisor, in a Republican administration, and then, advised Clinton? How did this escape the nation’s attention as a very weird thing? There is no such thing as an impartial consultant: they are whores for money and will work for the highest bidder. Our political health reflects the influence of their
behavior.
My brother, Mark Campbell, has won fiddling awards in the Blue Grass Festival held there on the New River. The whole family has been going there for years.
Clinton/Gore was DLC. Clinton made the decisions and the policy. Gore embraced the DLC mindset, had Joe running with him and it cost him the 2000 race. In some ways, I’m thankful because over the last few years Gore has learned that it was a mistake to side with those idiots. His endorsment of Dean was another stake in the heart of the DLC beast. Unfortunately though Hillary/Biden/Joe still continue to give it life support.
Seriously Greg. I know where you are coming from and I’m not one to give politicans a 2nd chance either. But I really think you will find a completely new Al Gore if you are willing to listen to him with an open mind. Don’t write him off. 8 years can make a big difference in a man. At least one who is willing to come to terms with his past failings, unlike our current putz-in-charge.
Greg-
Even including NAFTA, CAFTA, and sex in the Whitehouse, you can’t possibly think that the Bush adminstration hasn’t done the most to damage this country and everything we used to stand for in the history of this country.
OT but you gotta love the rude pundit:
the rude pundit
Really interesting post Redd. You are probing the most important political dividing line in the nation- but you left out an important ingredient- race. To be the party who represents both the rappers and the country western crowd is a lot easier said than done- and I don’t think Russ has the answer to it. What’s the minority population of Wisconsin?
Wherever the democratic party is viewed as the party of minorities- the goopers win with the blue collar crowd. That’s an oversimplification- but it’s pretty close to the truth.
Bowers and Digby talk about tribes but don’t mention tribal leaders.
People adhere to leaders first because of shared beliefs and more importantly because the leaders can articulate and rationalize the beliefs.
98% of people 98% of the time act on their beliefs without any critical examination of the beliefs. Many people are incapable any but the most shallow explanation but believe their leaders have a deep convincing explanation.
For example, I’ve had some discussions on social policy with sincere deeply religious people. When I’ve questioned a belief they offer Bible quotes in support. When I mention that parts of the Bible that support the opposite position they consider that and become thoughtful. Then a few days later I get an email linking to an article by a “religious thinker” that support their original position and they consider the discussion closed.
I’m not making fun of such people here. For example, most people who believe in evolution do not have the technical knowledge to construct a long argument using it without making numerous glaring scientific mistakes. Evolutionists like the religious believe in experts who can articulate their beliefs for them.
I don’t know of any current Democratic leaders that people turn to as experts on their own beliefs. Al Gore may be becoming one on global warming but much advocacy is unclaimed.
Greg has a point– Clinton is not a liberal. There’s still a big difference between a democrat and a southern democrat.
The way I see it, the South has the country by the balls because they are so idealogically unified. The only democrat that can get elected president is a southern democrat because the south won’t elect a northern democrat. So that basically means DLCers only need apply.
When they try, Democrats speak the language of hope eloquently. In a radio address FDR fleshed out “The Forgotten Man”-
He went on to refer to opponents as “the unthinking” and “the shallow”, an “administration which can think in terms only of the top of the social and economic structure. It has sought temporary relief from the top down rather than permanent relief from the bottom up. It has totally failed to plan ahead in a comprehensive way.”
I STILL feel like he’s talking to me. At the end of the paperback printing of Conason’s SoSec book, there’s a great cartoon of FDR meeting “the forgotten man”. It’s very powerful.
GREAT post Christy, thanks.
I am a southerner who lives in CA. The rest of my family still lives in the South. When I visit (one week spent mostly at my parents’ nursing home every three months) I spend a lot of time talking to their caregivers, all working class African American women.
What I noticed around the election was a pattern in which their politics was counteracted by their religion. One was vocally anti-Bush, but said it didn’t matter because soon the rapture would come. Several spent all their time with the TV tuned to the 700 club and similar right-wing noise machines disguised as religion.
I don’t know how Democrats/progressives will make headway in regions where the churches counteract their message by labelling them as sinful abominations or teaching that it isn’t necessary to do anything about problems, since you’ll soon leave them behind for good times in heaven.
The other key ingredient- of course- is religion. In American Theocracy, Kevin Phillips traces the growth of the Southern Baptist Church in America. Where they become the major religion- the vote becomes gooper- he traces the growth on a map- and the result is astonishing.
Is the left ready to vote for a politician who caters to the Southern Baptists?
The Southern Baptists bring the CULTURE of the south with them as they invade border states and even the west. It’s pretty familiar- blue collar and white as the driven snow.
what they’d like is some respect and to be treated like they are just as . . . intelligent as the rest of the country.
I hear ya, but–they did vote for Bush. Twice.
I appreciate that they want respect, who doesn’t? But again: They voted for Bush in 2004.
And I don’t think I’m the only one here whose reaction to anyone who did that is: What motive could you possibly have for that vote that doesn’t show you to be racist, greedy, small-minded and/or utterly fucking stupid?
So the perception that the rest of the country doesn’t respect them isn’t some weird Southern neurosis. They’re picking up on a basic truth. I certainly don’t respect these folks’ choices and beliefs–we’ll be paying for their choices for generations.
But here’s the respect I will show them: I won’t lie about it anymore.
And Dems have ro come up with another strategy for dealing with the gap between the respect Bush supporters want, and the contempt they deservedly get. Insulting their intelligence every 4 years by pretending–ineptly–that we think they’re just the bee’s knees isn’t really working for us. They’re not that dumb.
No. This reflects a cultural claim of victimization more than anything. This is like Christians saying they’re disempowered and disrespected in this country. In fact, the South has a disproportionate amount of power, and even when Democrats choose Southerners as national leaders–who presumably do not feel the South is ignorant and embarrassing–they are not what you’d call wholeheartedly supported by the South. Say, for example, Jimmy Carter.
Yes, there are stereotypes of the ignorant Southerner, and the cold uptight Northerner, and the idiot New Age Californian. But what’s missing in other regions is the ‘rally round our wounded pride’ feeling which exists among some in the South.
Hell, our president -pretends- to have a Texan accent.
blow it out your ass greg. what a fucking douchebag. go spew your spittle at judy miller’s site. it’ll be welcome there.
If dems want the southern vote- then they need to carefully deconstruct GW Clusterfuck. How’d he get it?
He feigns ignorance. He refuses to use words of more than two syllables. He mentions God every other sentence. He eschews experts and any intellectual justification. He milks the flag and the bible and fear.
That’s how ya get these people. Do dems have the stomach for it?
Well, first off I make a major distinction between “my car” and a state capitol building. My car is my car, and though I’ve never adorned it with a confederate flag, if I wanted to it doesn’t matter if a black person is offended because it is my car and my flag and therefore none of his business. Just like, if he wears a Malcolm X shirt, to celebrate a man who was seriously racist against “white devils” like myself, it’s none of my business.
State capitols on the other hand, are a no brainer. They are either loyal to the union, as it were, or they are still fighting the civil war. If they can’t wrap their heads around that and take down the confederate flag(or send some troops into battle somewhere) then I think there needs to be a special election to get some people in office who have a fucking clue about the last 150 years. And before the point comes up no I am not advocating that they go into battle and re-hash the civil war. I’m just saying, shit or get off the pot.
We are clearly short on gracious leaders, men who invite one to share their dreams rather than dwell on their problems and fears. What I remember about the men who are wistfully remembered here, is that they instilled both confidence and clarity about the challenges that a gracious nation might face and resolve. They did not lie. They encouraged progress by meeting change with faith in potential, rather than fears about consequences. Dubya is the most ungracious man to ever hold the office of prez. Revenge and retribution have never soothed problems and fears, they always build on them. They make for shaky and uncertain foundations. Great leaders invite a nation to appreciate the potentials for a nation, as a whole, as a challenge. We are currently ‘led’ by a group of men who have written off most of the country. The major sympton of this is the further consolidation of wealth. Bush has exceeded the Class warfare raged by the Reagan administration by doing in 5 years what took Reagan 8. We have 2 1/2 years left with this fool. It’s time to find gracious leaders who appreciate that this nation is up to the challenges, not down for the count. They are out there waiting for the attention and appreciation we might accord them that the MSM does not. Just look for dlear statments about policy. Look past hypocrisy, it’s only a spped bump on the road of progress.
By the way- I love bluegrass too- but it’s not exactly at the top of the pop charts in blue collar america. It’s another of those pieces of nostalgia that “liberals” embrace.
I’m with you all the way, Mr.Smith. As a boy, my musical taste was formed (60 years back), when the late night airwaves opened up and I stumbled on WWVA. The two Lees, Moore and Parr, introduced me to Bill Monroe and all those blessed singers.
Now, not to complicate things, but I belong to the part of New York (second poorest county) where lots of folks get by cutting cordwood and killing more deer than is strictly legal. The only AM radio here plays what passes for country and western these days. There are lots of real folk up north too.
It’s a heavily Republican county, but these Republicans can’t stand Bush and are disgusted by the war. There is hope.
just left this comment over at digby’s, but since you guys are on the same subjuect: tribal identities are derived from conflict and if dems want to appeal to rival tribes they need to prop up a boogey man for the good ol’ boys to hate. rich people could replace gays and libruls quite smoothly…
I am not a Southerner but I live in the South. Dean lost me with the remark “we want to be the party of the guys who drive pick-up trucks with gun racks and confederate flags on the back” (that is pretty close to what he said). I thought whoa! how to offend everyone in the south in one remark! Some people have defended this remark, but I can’t imagine why. This was such a stereotypical view, and it is so important to get past the stereotypes. great post, Christy
> My car is my car, and though I’ve never
> adorned it with a confederate flag, if I
> wanted to it doesn’t matter if a black person
> is offended because it is my car and my flag
> and therefore none of his business.
I thought the issue was respect?
Cranky
At age 18 there is a separation of the sheep from the goats in America. 25 percent or so go off to college, get what passes for an education, and join “the elite”. The rest become roofers and plumbers and insurance salesmen. The division between the two groups is very strong- and the majority blue collar crowd doesn’t trust the “college boys”. You don’t break through to them with highly principled stands on constitutional issues. They’ve never read it.
I’m from western Maryland (Washington County) and I’m a big fan of Hayseed Dixie, does that count?
First principle: Avoid appeals to people’s religious convictions.
Second principle: Avoid appeals to patriotism.
Third principle: Do not play on people’s fears.
Fourth principle: No pretend conservatism.
Fifth principle: No dumbing down of issues.
Sixth principle: Challenge Americans to champion the simple values that once made us a great country: a basic fairness, tolerance of others, competence to get the job done, the willingness to reinvent ourselves.
As a Massachusetts liberal, I honestly don’t get this all-consuming sense of victimhood going on here. I am so tired of claims that Dems/liberals/progressives universally sneer at Southerners.
Where’s the proof??? Can anyone come up with a single example of a sneer, on par with, say, Bush’s repeated campaign rant about “Massachusetts liberals”?
I simply cannot imagine Gore or Kerry campaigning on a “Bush is a dimwitted redneck” theme. The press would have jumped down their throats and there would have been a truly ugly backlash.
This “northerners look down on Southerners” theme is a carefully crafted GOP talking point. STOP FALLING FOR IT!!!!!
Great post, Christy!
OT– Turley on CNN says we are in a Constitutional crisis. Will that wake up the public at large? I think so. I think that the erosion of our rights hits every American if framed properly and honestly. This is what our people fought every war on our soil for. The South and the North , the East and the West remember those wars and revere the memory of the dead and the battles won and lost in the name of freedom.
I liked the movie “The Song Catcher” set in the 30’s (?) about recording mountain music before it was lost. Taj Mahal made an appearance in it. A couple of years ago at a visitor center in the North Carolina mountains I asked a couple of women working there if the movie was accurate. They thought it was except for the romance scenes between 2 women…they didn’t think that that was realistic & not likely to have ever happened. What was interesting to me was the difficulty getting to the remote places, seeing how they recorded the songs with the early recording devices available then & the infighting between the music scholars of the time.
I just couldn’t get into the “Oh Brother” movie…
Watch the goopers as they take the irrational fears about “mexicans” to the polls this fall. That’s how THEY work the system.
The religion is going to screw us here.
Yes, we need to be taking a stand. But the other thing we need to do, in conjunction with Dean’s 50 state plan, is start actively supporting progressive churches. The Southern Baptist crowd is becoming the only game in town in the South, and that needs to be fought, tooth and nail.
There is no political campaign, no matter how genuine and well-run, that is going to overcome a weekly two-hour wingnut sermon. It’s just not.
The good news is, there’s still plenty of progressive churches out there, of every single religion and every single denomination. The media tries to pretend like there isn’t, but there is. Go to them. Talk to them. Work with them and contribute to them. Make it possible for them to continue existing and continue preaching.
Beyond that, the more long-term step is to funnel money — and I mean serious national dollars — to rural education. Even at the expense of the blue states, because at least they’ve got something working for them. The more people learn, the more progressive they become. In fifteen years, those kids will become informed citizens that are much, much harder to manipulate.
That is the way we will make inroads.
Goopers aren’t content to take advantage of fears about Mexicans taking american jobs. They move into other fears. Mexicans are the source of drugs- they break laws- they sop up public money- etc. This is ALL believed- and you aren’t going to ge the blue collar voter to read a book on the subject to get the truth.
hettie @ 7:09:
I agree with hettie. The Green Party has done a better job of articulating a thoughtful and coherent progressive agenda than the Democrats ever have.
Christy,
My wife and I just returned from our annual ‘Appalachian Spring’ hiking vacation — this time held partly in West Virginia. I couldn’t believe how beautiful it was, and how large that huge space between the Piedmont and the Midwest is, and how full of small towns and farms and decent, if isolated, people. As an unreconstructed northerner who grew up in a family who fifty years ago still considered most southerners rebel traitors, the mountain south has been a revelation to me (I still haven’t been able to bring myself to visit the Cotton South).
This is a big country. I think the moral of yours and Digby’s posts is that we really don’t understand its bigness, and until we do, the kind of highly cenralized political establishment we now have will never get it right. The Republicans got it right in part because they are ruthless, and in part because their corporate base excels in selling stuff like trucks, cereal, soap, etc., to ordinary people. The life blood of that enterprise is knowing how to push their emotional buttons.
It is very difficult for ordinary people to identify with people who have professional degrees from elite schools, and that is what much of the Democratic establishment has become. For all its flaws, the union movement was the bedrock of Democratic populism. We lost it in 1972. To cite Eliot, ‘We had the experience, but missed the meaning’.
I second ESaund.
Like I said, I grew up in a pretty rural Appalcachian place. Sometimes I miss that place and time; despite the fact that the liberals in my area were voting for Nixon, the conservatives were voting for Wallace and the commies were denying they’d vote for someone as crazy as Humphrey…
These people have had their biases reaffirmed relentlessly since the late 60s and they won’t be happy, it seems, until some of the rest of us cease to exist, or at least cease to think.
Strange.
If one wants to understand southern politics- George Wallace isn’t a bad place to start. Early in his career- Wallace lost an election to a guy who preyed on fears about blacks. Wallace said “I’m never goin ta be out “(N-worded) again”- and he wasn’t.
Here’s the Democratic Party’s identity: Lazy, Whiny Opportunism.
Yeah, I’m going to go vote me some of that. {sigh}
OT but I’m wondering how the roots My Space page is coming along.I’ve got my own page there and want the roots on my frends list.
Again I extend an invite;any in MD that wish to get in on the roots project-e mail paradox65@comcast.net
Your ideas and participation are welcome.
rwcole– It’s a perfect Rovian ploy– the average blue collar worker is afraid of losing his/her job, it costs 100 dollars to fill up the monster truck/SUV and voila, it’s time to blame the southern “invasion” for all their woes, rather than the failed policies of the administration.
We need to change the fear message to one of hope and real solutions. Like Gore proposes, lets invest in alternative fuels, create jobs, and put hope back into the American vocabulary and remove the hate and despair.
“Honestly let’s think about it for a minute %u2014 can you count the number of truly principled stands that you can recall the Democratic party taking in the last five years on more than one hand?”
Saving Social Security from the rape and plunder planned by the GOP asshats counts for something, and I can’t understand why we’re not hearing more from the Democrats about that 2005 victory. Last year’s “debate” on Social Security was a perfect example of the class warfare the GOP runs on its voters — and Democrats stopped them in their tracks. We need to give our Democratic leaders more credit for this win — and we need to tell voters more about it: what it meant, how we did it, how we’ll be constantly vigilant in the last two years of this criminal Administration against these grabs.
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I wonder if John Edwards “One America” approach resonates in places like West Virginia. The absolute abandonment of mine worker protections by the repugs in favor of corporate interests should have been a lesson for the folks of West Virginia.
Redd- Do you really think that Russ Fiengold could carry West Virginia in a general election for president of the United States? I respect you a lot- but this seems VERY far fetched!
Good thread, Christy.
Kinda tough, bein’ a long-time lefty and progressive, and diggin’ the real string band stuff. It’s roots music, and basically, conservative. I don’t have a problem with it, and most of the bands don’t preach or proselytize at us, when they’re playing.
My faves:
Alan Bibey and Blueridge
Blue Highway
Doyle and ‘em
Cherry Holmes
and…taaadaaa…a bluegrass and “crossover” lady named Alecia Nugent, who’s singing is so honest and edgy, she makes those millionaire country divas sound like a bunch of hookers squabbling over a john. :o)
Some things are as predictable and real as global warming, like getting up and logging in to read yet another humane, articulate, and incisive post by Christy.
I’m a “damned yankee” (defined by my N. Alabama wife as ‘a yankee who comes to the South and doesn’t leave’) who lived in the bible belt (AL and TN) from 1975 till we moved to Vegas in 1992. Her kin are all natural Democrats (rural folks, farmers & blue collars). I’ve watched a lot of those types of folks get lured off by the hollow shit of the venal GOP “crony conservatives” that have despoiled conservatism beginning with Reagan. Sad, and frustrating.
One hopes that the bloom is finally off that toxic rose.
Teddy- I agree- social security is the dividing line where the lower income goopers get off the gooper train- they can be dragged through tax cuts for the wealthy- and all kinds of other assorted bullshit- but they aren’t about to give up social security.
what they’d like is some respect and to be treated like they are just as important and intelligent as the rest of the country. Not like some poor hayseed cousin that you are too embarrassed to take to the country club for fear he’ll belch the national anthem before the sorbet course.
This is bullshit.
Every single one of these “we have to respect the South” things conveniently omits the word “white.” I don’t regard “the South” as poor hayseed cousins who I would be embarassed to take to the country club. I regard “the South” as the members of an all-white country club who believe that African-Americans, and any person or any political party who includes them as “the Others” and in most respects “the Enemy.”
White males with twangs are currently running the entire country and have been for most of my life. We are only one generation removed from “segregation now, segregation forever!” The notion that all this has gone away is fanciful.
White supremacy is not and was not a bad habit or an unfortunate circumstance. It was, and for many people remains, the core belief in the creation mythology of what they see as their nation, their way of life. It was built over several centuries, it’s going to take at least a century to go away. If the rest of the world is any guide, it may never go away. How long did it take the Saxons and the Normans to become the English?
I couldn’t agree with you more about the Common Man-this is why I like Edwards. I help my boys be proud of their blue collar roots–you can’t be a good machinist with an 80 IQ.
Somehow we’re also not reconciling social liberalism with fiscal conservativism. The narrative is fiscal conservativism=starve the beast. But there’s a help the little man, stop the loopholes for corporations, spend the $ on healthcare and education here, not everywhere else, vibe that my conservative, macho, blue collar husband (and his friends) can get right on.
Here’s another idea that keeps recurring to me: I hate neurosis. What a waste of time. [Free Dictionary: Any of various mental or emotional disorders, such as hypochondria or neurasthenia, arising from no apparent organic lesion or change and involving symptoms such as insecurity, anxiety, depression, and irrational fears.] Very prevalent among the white collars I grew up around in Arlington VA. I just don’t encounter it among the blue collars I choose to hang with. *But doesn’t this characterize our complaints about the Democratic Party? Can we reunite as a party with our blue collar roots and lose that neurosis? Dilute it?
PS I grew up in Virginia and used to listen to bluegrass all afternoon on one of the public radio stations there-was it out of Georgetown U? My friends used to tease me ‘cuz I’d always tell them “It’s so byoo-tiful outside!” And we’d run off to WVa as often as possible. Thanks for the photo!
If you want to talk about identity, you’ve got to talk about music. What lyrics and music do you know by heart? What do you put on your iPod/walkman/CDplayer/stereo/radio/8-track when you need a lift? What do you listen to when you’ve just got to dance? (What’s cued up for Fitzmasday?)
That’s identity music.
One of the best I’ve heard and seen that reaches into both the heart of the South (as Christy describes) as well as the People’s Republic of Berkeley is John McCutcheon. He’s been nominated for grammys a bunch of times, in folk and childrens music. He does old union/labor music, old folk stuff, as well as lots and lots of his own compositions that bring the same passion into the present. Like the best bluegrass folks, he’s a storyteller, either in his music or between songs. He plays just about anything with strings, as well the australian dijerido (sp?), where he’s travelled on tour.
Check him out at his site: http://www.folkmusic.com/
If he’s coming anywhere within 2 hours of you, it’s well worth the effort.
He’s a great model for reaching across the lines Christy’s talking about here.
(Punaise would love him and his sense of humor. John’s son did the basic setup work on the website, and asked him back in the day if he wanted .com or .org address. John replied, “a commie or an orgy? )
10 signs we’re getting a police state:
http://www.alternet.org/rights/36553/
Good Morning Christy and everyone,
Good God gal – you had me up and clogging by the third paragraph ! damn that’s good
some random thoughts -
Christy – no less than Chuck D (Public Enemy) would also applaud this post – he wrote a thoughtful essay in Rolling Stone right after
Newt’s little Tea Party in 94 (I’ll see if I can find it) – bascially telling the Dems they weren’t going to win big ever again unless they figured out ‘authentic identity politics’
one of his memorable points was Otis Redding and George Jones were the same guy – touching their audiences in the same way b/c of where and what they came from – AAAHHH!
someone upthread mentioned FDR – Jonathan Alter has just published an FDR book – I believe his premise is that FDR offered everyone hope and charged everyone listening to him with a role to play in the nation’s recovery (compare it to the wedging and fear mongering of the last 5 years)
Tribalism – my adopted home Texas is an anthropologist’s wet dream (the elitist-tinged smacks I see here and at other prog. sites will have to wait for another post) -
but I bring it up only to say I’ve seen this facet of it’s ethos used for the greater good -e.g., the Don’t Mess w/ Texas anti litter campaign – tribalism should be harnessed not manipulated
one last thing – has anyone read Foxes in the Henhouse ? a recently published book by some pol. consultants – ’splaining how the Dems lost the South and how to get to reclaim it – just wondering what they have to say about Christy’s ideas
ok, I see the ol ‘error on page’ message – so I’m gonna hit comment and see what happens
I find the reverse Southern bias much more pronounced. You never hear national politicians jeering “Texas Republicans” or “Alabama Christians”. But you will find “Massachusetts Liberal” and jeers about people from “San Francisco” thick on the lips of Southerners.
They lob invective at “Hollywood liberals”, “Washington Elites”, “Northeast snobs”, “Ivy League know it alls”.
We hear about the “heartland”. “Real America”.
Southerners always demand a someone from their region on the presidential ticket.
I say divide and conquer.
Focus on the western states, Montana is looking good. So is Nevada and New Mexico. Toss-in the states on the margin like Iowa, Ohio and Indiana and to hell with making the entire playbook about the exceptionalism of only one region of America.
-GSD
The banjo is- perhaps- america’s only native born instrument- developed apparently by african slaves who dimly remembered a similar instrument back in their former homeland- and picked, plucked, and strummed by many generations of white and black americans.
In the days when a guitar couldn’t be heard above the din of competing instruments- the banjor rang out loud and clear with a voice so distinctive that one recongizes it in a split second. It’s the true voice of america and her history. We hear it way too infrequently today.
(It’s been written that if there were actually any singing cowboys in america- the carried banjos- not guitars).
Mainers look down on Massachusetts people, the local southerners. I think you are supposed to look down on neighbors. That’s how you distinguish we from them. The we/they divide is a moving boundary and it is not always geographic.
Bushistans and Bushistanis are the new “other.” Even the Republicans know that.
Good pints.
I love bluegrass.
And has everyone heard the new Dixie Chicks record?
Not Ready to Make Nice hit me last night like a ton of bricks. It’s an angry, awesome, powerful song.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..oding=UTF8
rw at 89 — where in my post did I say that Feingold could carry WV? No, I think he’d have trouble here, actually, with a number of his positions. But what folks here do appreciate is someone with a damn spine. Which is what got Kerry in trouble, the wishy-washy not take a position on anything feeling that came out of the campaign (true or not is irrelevent, because that’s how he came off — even at campaign rallies here in person where his speeches were so overwritten and nuanced that you could just feel the consultants oozing out of every parsed phrase). A lot of folks here thought Bush was a moron and a spoiled butthead, but I can’t tell you how many times people told me while I was out knocking on doors for the Kerry campaign “at least I get the feeling that Bush stands for something, I don’t know what in the hell Kerry stands for at all.” And THAT is the problem with the whole Democratic party in my mind at the moment.
Jane was absolutely right the other day when she talked about how godawful the “Together we can do better.” slogan is. Talk about wishy-washy nonsense on a sticker. Blergh. But where we go from here? THAT’s what I’m trying to figure out. And behind whom? No freaking clue at this point.
cranky at #27. It’s not a matter of the *words* you use, but the attitude they’re wrapped in.
James E Powell @93
But we’re open to all races willing to adopt our way of life {irony tag}.
bemused 60:
They hope the Rapture will come because life is so damn hard NOW.
In a country where people care about others and use the money we collect to help widows, children, the aged, the sick…life wouldn’t be that damn hard.
I live in an area where hospital TV sets are on the 700 Club a lot. I know what you mean.
Cranky,
Anyone who knows anything about the Civil War cannot but be impressed with the skill and bravery of the men who fought for the “Stars and Bars.” The overwhelming number of those who died and lost limbs did not own slaves. Lee’s old “war horse,” James Longstreet, was an abolitionist.
With that said, the “South” defacto stood for legalized white supremacy before and after the Civil War. The victory in 1865 made it illegal to buy and sell African Americans. The Civil Rights war of the twentieth century ended legalized white supremacy.
There isn’t time to detail the unbelieveable brutality of the enslavement of African Americans and legalized white supremacy, but Billie Holiday’s “Strange Fruit,” is always a nice play to start. Did you ever ask yourself why African Americans are lighter skinned than Africans? Where do you think their non-African blood came from? Do you think most of that took place before or after the Civil War?
In the state of Florida in the 1920’s there were four high schools in the entire state that allowed non-whites. Literacy causes changes in the brain. It’s rare for the offspring of illiterate parents to finish high school. It takes generations for the physiology of the brain to catch up. The average African American is always going to be behind the average European American with respect to the number of preceeding generations that were literate. It was against the law to educate slaves. Irrespective of ethnicity, illiteracy leaves people at greater risk for unemployment, substance abuse, learning disabilities, mental illness and incarceration.
I just wanted to point out the relationship between the lack of leadership and the lack of grassroots organization. We are tribal, and one of the things that creates NEW subtribes is a leader– someone people can look at and say “Hey, I like that person.” And then they get excited to organize, and they talk to their friends (who may never organize, but might still vote) and say “That’s what I’m talking about– him right there.” And the regular voters go “Oh, I get it.” And then they are willing to be part of that leader’s subtribe. But without that leader, the organizing dem has nothing to point to except ideas. Now ideas are great, but if you don’t have a person who exemplifies them, a person who seems like they can make them a reality, it’s just not enough.
On a related note, I think “respect” is a key word. Another key word is “trust.” There is simply no greater gift a human can give another human than to trust them, to be willing to turn your back to them without being afraid the knife will come, to give them responsibility for your own safety. The Democrats have been SURE those rednecks would stab them in the back since the onset of the Southern Strategy. Shit, it’s been 40 years. A lot of the people who left the Dems at that point are dead now, and we aren’t even asking their children to join us. Our failure is partially a self-fulfilling prophesy– those people will never vote for us. So they don’t. Would you?
a heartwarming post, Christy. so much to think about.
re: Dean’s remark “we want to be the party of the guys who drive pick-up trucks with gun racks and confederate flags on the back”– i’m from arkansas, couldn’t this remark simply be an innocent/awkward expression of inclusiveness? an expression indicating this guy actually sees a possibility of winning people over and maybe shifting their world view in a positive direction?
and the MEDIA thing is a huge factor. there used to be good, family owned, trustworthy newspapers, all over the country- who looked for the best in candidates and for the best in the country- but no more. all (mostly) corporate owned, looking out for every penny that can be squeezed – absolutely NO commitment – not a shred – for the good of the country, or our world, for that matter. what the, what was it once called, 4th estate, has become, is a loathsome tragedy of human greed and ignorance.
Thanks for the great post, Christy — it touches on many themes I’ve been talking about for years. First and foremost:
Human Beings are Hard Wired for Tribal Identity.
Let me repeat –
Human Beings are Hard Wired for Tribal Identity.
Our ancestors evolved in small tribal groups on the African Veld, and tribal identity combined with paranoia about the world at large and other tribal groups is an essential part of the human brain, and our evolutionary survival.
Lest we think that we are immune, here’s a little test –
How many readers think of themselves as FDLer’s?
Okay — how many think FDL is a very special place, much better than other places in the dismal swamp of unwashed blogs and the offline world?
How many think that FDL is a part of a larger group, that is threatened by BushCo, Corporate Greed, Global Warming, Right Wing Media, Right Wing wankers, etc, etc?
The point being, almost everyone has some form of tribal identification, which overrides rational analysis.
Democrats bemoan the fact that working class Americans vote against their economic self interest — this misses the point entirely. Americans vote their tribal self identification — tribal identification trumps everything else. It always has, and always will.
I could go on for hours, but it’s better to stop here. Consider this part one of an epic rant, which may or may not continue. Here is the 64 million vote question:
What does the Democratic Party Stand For?
When we can answer that, with a series of pithy 1.5 second soundbites, we will win.
When we can offer salient soundbites that tell Working Class Americans that we really care about them, and the BushCo GOP has played them for chumps, we will become the dominant political party for generations to come.
Here is clue for the DC Dems — “Culture of Corruption” and “Dubai Ports” doesn’t cut it. Yes, they are pieces of the puzzle, but they do not answer the essential question:
What does the Democratic Party Stand For?
Cranky,
SORRY,
I didn’t realize I was responding to D. Mason’s comments, not your’s.
twolf1 54,
I heard Gore’s speach at the Sierra Club biggie in San Fran. last summer and experienced his passion for the environment and the good life that all can have in America if only the citizens were put before corporations and profit. Robert Kennedy jr. gave the same kind of passionate speach which can only come from the inner depths of the heart and soul of a person. I do think Gore has learned a lesson from 2000 and will always be his own man now.
Gore Feingold 2008!
Fitz!
Redd- No you didn’t say that Russ could win in W. Virginia- but you were suggesting- I thought- that if the dems were more like Russ- they would have a better chance in the South. I’m not so sure- the south voted for Clusterfuck- Clusterfuck deliberately fuzzed up every issue and his position on it- he bent over backwards to be vague- and apparently the southern workin folk LOVED it. He was fer the bible- so they gave him a pass on every substantive policy issue.
I’m only continuing this debate because I think it’s very important- and like you- I’m not sure what the answer is.
There are a lot of good thoughts in this post of how things need to be. But it is mostly idealistic. To assume that the Democrats are suddenly going to step forward and lead after six-plus years of cowering in the shadows of indecision and wait-and-see political strategy is not realistic. This country is seriously lacking leadership on both sides of the ticket which seems so ironic at a time in our history when people are craving a true leader. Conditions seem ripe for some extremist kook to come to power in the present-day leadership vaccuum who speaks to the downtrodden masses and can unite them.
A likely point of unity would be around the immigration issue. This is important to the lower class because it’s their jobs that are mainly threatened by the influx of illegal aliens. A Lou Dobbs-like voice could potentially move these same individuals you’re talking about but not necessarily in a direction that’s best for this country.
tom — chicago says
May 27th, 2006 at 8:49 am
Good pints.
I love bluegrass.
And has everyone heard the new Dixie Chicks record?
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Tom, I bought it the other day, been listening closely to it. And, I’m gonna buy aleast one more copy to cancel out at least one Toby Keith type asshole who’ll boycott it.
I LOVE the Dixie Chicks. Love ‘em (I’m an ex- pro musician who majorly respects their chops). But, I have to say I was a little disappointed overall. It’s not their best work. It’s kinda weighed down with the anger.
Still, if they come to my town, I’ll go see ‘em. I have their CDs and concert DVDs.
One thing that IS nice about these new cuts. Natalie don’t need no “audio eyeliner” – there’s a distinct lack of reverb or other signal processing enhancement. Her vocal is right up in your face, total “presence” unadorned. Same for a lot of the gritty rhythm guitar vamps, scratchy, gritty, real. Not buried with SFX sweetener.
I see the problem now, you don’t understand what respect is. You are a typical hard line liberal I guess, who thinks that white people should defer to black peoples feelings for every decision they make, in atonement for slavery perhaps. Well I never owned slaves and I show respect to black people by, you know, treating them with respect. That has nothing to do with my own liberty to decorate my car how I feel. Maybe black people in the north are offended by confederate flags but most of the black people I know would look past the flag and judge someone based on their character. If you think I shouldn’t be able to have a confederate flag because it might hurt some black guys feelings then I consider that condescending to me and to black people everywhere. I consider it disrespectful to treat someone with kid gloves, and if you’re doing it based on the color of their skin that is racist. A large part of respect is not telling someone else how to live their lives. If a black man would tell me how to decorate my automobile then he has no respect for me and deserves none from me. If he would look at a flag in my car and assume so many things about me that he cannot show me respect then I consider that a flaw in his character, not mine.
It’s true that many people who brandish a confederate flag do so for racist purposes. Some do it for other reasons too but in the end it doesn’t matter why. All that matters is that they are free to decorate their car or their home or their body however they please. You might not appreciate those kinds of freedoms, you may find it offensive, but my freedom doesn’t stop at your feelings and that’s a huge part of respect in my eyes.
Of course I know a black guy who has a confederate flag in his truck right now. He has his reasons, which I respect, would you call him a racist too?
D. Mason,
You don’t know anything about Malcolm Little, alias Malcolm X.
If you are looking for “serious” racists, try the guys who lynched African Americans. Strom Thurmond probably wouldn’t qualify to you as a “serious” racist, because although he was a die hard white supremacist, he thought lynching was wrong.
Late in his too short life, just after a pilgrimage to Mecca, Malcolm recanted his belief in segregation, which is not the same as “racism.”
Most of my Jewish friends look past my Nazi regalia and swastikas and just judge me on my character.
-GSD
Many (perhaps most) of the people who have moved to the gooper persuasion in the last thirty years don’t trust historians, constitutional scholars, economists, or scientists. They figure that everyone has a political axe to grind- and they are very familiar with the “law of experts” (for every expert, there is an equal and opposite experts)- so they are VERY difficult to reach on issues that they don’t have personal experience with. They will NOT look objectively at evidence- compare and contrast- and come to a conclusion. They find a person who they trust- and take that person’s point of view. The trust starts with the person- not the facts.
Politicians are in for VERY long careers if they forget this.
Well, I for one think we need to put the Declaration of Independence and Constitution right up there with the Bible, Torah and Koran in terms of importance.
Rapture or not, people still gotta survive down here til their time comes.
The Fear factor works for them because people really do want to survive down here– time to change the context and call em on it.
Here in North Georgia, there was no one on the local Democratic Ticket to vote for. LBJ said that one of the consequences of his Civil Rights legislation would be to destroy the Democratic Party. In Georgia, Zell Miller [Zell from Hell] took out what was left. I don’t think it’s pandering to the Hee Haw crowd that’s needed, it’s not getting so caught up in the “urban” issues and returning to the “populist” that matters now. In our area, Democrats are seen as “New Yorkers.” That’s sort of amazing [to those of us that are left], but that’s the perception around here. I don’t see how the Republicans bring that off, but they do.
Which is why there are old people all over the state of West Virginia who have a picture of John F. Kennedy, Jr., right up there on the wall next to their picture of Jesus.
John Kennedy — no Jr — is revered in the mountain South because he was assasinated, or the last Democratic president before the Democratic party was handed over to colored people.
The lion’s share of what Federal asssistance this region saw came under Johnson, and the prevailing worker safety, mine safety, rural education, etc. regime — now in tatters — was installed under Johnson, or Carter, or god help us, Nixon.
Don’t see their pictures up much on the wall of the crossroads stores, next to the ad for Goody’s…
Great post.. but I think the reason that the Demublicans are not speaking out more is that they are in essential agreement with the way things are…They are benefiting from their corporate sponsors equally and wish not to offend any of them for fear of loosing their financial support. They fear tipping that corporate owned boat for fear that they too might fall out.
GSD, thanks.
LMAO
GSD, LOL!!
Good one.
Most of my black hoops acquaintences look past my nebbish slow 60 year old 5′10″ no-hops persona, and judge ME on the basis of my shot, my assists, and my getting back on ‘D’.
ck 108
Bravo. You articulated what I’ve been trying to write about here for the past few days – but my perspective has been from a marketing POV.
Marketers refer to “tribal identity” as “self-definition”. The internal voice that says “I am a Democrat” or “I am not a Republican” (they are not the same thing) or “I am a Mac person” or “I am a Target person” or etc., etc.
Christy 102 touches on it again. As does many of the comments here so far.
So here’s a question that I can’t seem to answer: What happened to “The Part of Those Who Work Hard, Play By the Rules…” that Carvel so neatly packaged for Clinton in 92?
thing is, messages of this kind have to come from the heart, if not from life experience. it cannot be an intellectual or poll driven exercise. honesty is paramount here.
Thank you for this excellent post. Beautiful picture and inspiring words. We do need to rebuild the infrastructure there.
Christy,
I’ve been fortunate to have visited your state many times. Usually, well off the interstate and into the hills and hollers. Truly a beautiful state.
Davis at 123 — whew! Thanks for catching that Jr. — I thought I had edited it out, but missed it somehow. Never post before you’ve finished at least one cuppa coffee. Seems like I ought to have learned that lesson by now. It’s fixed — thanks so much for spotting it.
And the rest of us don’t have values? These kinds of blanket statements really stick in my craw. I’m sure we all have anecdotal evidence to support some of the stereotype of northerners, southerners, midwesterners, etc. My story? A Catholic who moved to Charlotte NC six years ago and was told by more than one recent acquaintance that he wasn’t saved. Should I think that all Southerners are disrespectful and, well, rude based on that? I should hope not. That would be a blanket generalization and unworthy of me. Should I see it as confirmation that Southerners are ignorant and insular? Again, no.
This conversation has the potential to raise everyone’s hackles, but I agree with the posters who said:
And while I think victimization may be a strong word, what Gussie says at 63 rings true for me as well:
I live here in NYC and everything about how “we” responded on 9/11 — including our neighbors, from the fireman from my hometown on Long Island who raced to the scene and was killed, to the help and assistance (firetrucks and EMTs) that arrived from New Jersey and other neighboring states, to the remarkable lack of hyteria, looting, or violence in the immediate aftermath speaks to our “values” more than any words ever can.
So much so that within a week or two of 9/11 there was a news segment containing interviews from people around the country, asking about their perceptions of NYC. A man from somewhere in the midwest/west (for some reason I think it was Iowa or Idaho) said that his preacher always called NYC a pit of sin or den of iniquity (or some such) and to stay far away, but seeing how we acted after 9/11 amade him think it was a place he’d maybe like to visit one day.
Should I be glad that this guy changed his mind? Or should I just be disgusted that someone, anyone, let alone a preacher, would use my city, a city on the other side of the country, to scare his flock? And that members of the flock would blindly believe it?
NYC was used as a bogeyman pre-9/11. And there are some legitimate reasons for resentment — as the original home of television, our presence has been exaggerated in the national eye. But now there are local and regional media outlets outide of NY (and there have been for decades) but we remain an oh-so-convenient target when someone want to cast allusions to a cesspool of humanity.
For a few brief moments, post-9/11 the national media depicted us as wearing halos, but now we’re right back to being depicted as the liberal elite who sneer and hate America and are corrupting America’s values. Granted, the most virulent stuff is falling from the mouths’ of Malkin and her ilk, but I still call bullshit.
And I not only call bullshit on the behalf of NYC but for the rest of NY state as well as Vermont, Massachusetts, and the rest of New England and the tri-state area(s) (as defined as NJ, NY, and PA).
For the most part, I don’t give a shit about the garbage sent our way, and I don’t think most NYer do either. Maybe it’s because we don’t feel powerless, as a city, a state, or a region. Maybe a sense of powerless is what exacerbates the south’s resentment. I don’t know, but at a certain point, these stereotypes mean that I can’t really be hopeful about the existence of constructive dialogue when progressives start to complain about over-generalizations and stereotypes while resorting to the same as their defense.
Harball shit goin’ down -
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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two senior administration officials said the showdown over the FBI’s raid of Rep. William Jefferson’s office last weekend had reached what one called “the tipping point,” with threats of high-level resignations.
Top Justice Department officials –Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty and FBI Director Robert Mueller –indicated they would resign if forced to give the seized materials back, the officials said.
The resignation threats were relayed to the White House midweek as President Bush came under fierce pressure from Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert and other congressional leaders to return the materials…
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NY Times article on this says that DOJ dudes called BS on Hastert, seeing right through his transparent attempt to help thwart corruption investigations into GOP legislators.
It’s Hard Work, ain’t it, GeeW?
When people who are leaning gooper say “I don’t know what the democrats stand for” What they’re really saying is- “I don’t TRUST the democrats- they may show up and quote some bible passages and say that they support the flag and the troops- but I ain’t buyin it- it sounds like bullshit ta me”.
It’s NOT that they want the dems to lay a fifty pound policy position paper on em. The more detail you give em- the worse the problem becomes.
They’re lookin for someone who will kill their enemies- and they don’t believe that the dems have the stomach for it- no matter how much they posture. That- in my opinion- is what they mean.
People who are voting gooper right now want blood. They want to see the dead bodies of moslem men, women, and children in the streets of the middle east- and they aren’t too fussy about whether those moslems had anything to do with 911 or not. The more bodies they see- the safer they feel- and ya ain’t gonna talk em out of it.
rwcole 132 -
Ya mean like THIS?
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BAGHDAD, Iraq – Witnesses to the slaying of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in the western town of Haditha say the Americans shot men, women and children at close range in retaliation for the death of a Marine lance corporal in a roadside bombing.
Aws Fahmi, a Haditha resident who said he watched and listened from his home as Marines went from house to house killing members of three families, recalled hearing his neighbor across the street, Younis Salim Khafif, plead in English for his life and the lives of his family members. “I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: ‘I am a friend. I am good,’ ” Fahmi said. “But they killed him, and his wife and daughters.”
The 24 Iraqi civilians killed on Nov. 19 included children and the women who were trying to shield them, witnesses told a Washington Post special correspondent in Haditha this week and U.S. investigators said in Washington. The girls killed inside Khafif’s house were ages 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1, according to death certificates…
I’m a cracker, you are too,
gonna take good care of you
Randy Newman
Bobby–Yeah- kinda like that- but they don’t want to have their noses rubbed in the ugly details of how the deaths occured.
It would be interesting to see some interviews with the gooper faithful about this incident. One would be treated to the most nimble footed examples of rationalization known to man I suspect.
rwcole @ 132– unfortunately, I think you are right on that… demonization began a long while ago. I listened to the simian in chief’s speech this morning at West Point– he certainly did not pull back from his constant ranting demonization of the terraists.
Bluegrass isn’t country music any more than Rush is metal.
UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE!
This post holds the key to winning for the Democratic Party. It’s worth every dollar (of the millions) that John Kerry paid that loser political consultant Shrum.
John Edwards tried to run on this exact concept but there’s one additional magic ingredient: authenticity. It’s a mysterious quality. It’s easy to see how voters thought Kerry wasn’t authentic. It’s not so clear why they were fooled by Bush nor why they don’t flock to Edwards.
Maybe authenticity is just one aspect of charisma.
In either case, the candidate has to find at least one issue that resonates with the voters, drive a stake into the ground and fight like hell for it. (It helps if he or she is leading some folks from the party, too.)
Of course, this takes for granted that there are still a majority of elected Dems with backbones willing to be led in a fight.
Can a dem win in the south? Sure they can- they do it every day- but the dems who do it are unlikely to win OUR votes. That’s the problem. Clinton was an exception- and he did about as well as a dem can do in the south today.
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Yeah, bro’. Terrible stuff. Bush’s little Mi Lai incident.
Bush has gotta be feelin’ like shot-at-and-missed, shit-at-and-HIT every day.
Couldn’t be happening to a more deserving asshole.
Aren’t most people”working class?”.That,to me at least,includes anyone coming from minimum wage,right up to someone making maybe right under 100k a year.That’s alot of people.
IMO a unified message is going to have to include some civics lessons,something this country at present woefully lacks.”Together we can do better”is lame as hell,even if the message is truly what most people want,to be part of a community,not just a”tribe”.And that means basic needs within a community(food,clothing,shelter,education,and healthcare-all of which fall under having a job with a living wage and a chance to move up from there)have to be met as much as possible,then you can go forward together,stronger,and solve the bigger issues.When people are struggling to make ends meet(and this is effecting those with above average incomes these days too),politics and being an active and involved citizen isn’t a top priority.I know that if I’m hungry,or sick,or worried about my bank account balance,not alot else matters at that time.If I’m fed,in good health and can pay my bills,I can work harder and do much more to make things better,not just for me,but my community too.Which means you have to bring the politics to the people in a way that is relevant to them,connecting the dots.Paul Wellstone was just beginning to teach this to a wider audience when he died.You can inform people without making them feel stupid.The message probably should transcend what team you happen to be on too.Most people,if you could sit at the kitchen table with them,would agree they want job security,decent healthcare coverage,schools with better excellence standards with more money spent on students(as opposed to it being spent on consultants,lawsuits,and political pandering),to be able to afford home ownership,and to feel like someone gives a damn about them personally.That’s a long hard slog,and it means leaving a very entrenched comfort zone.Winning elections is important,to be sure,but once those elections are won or lost,the work doesn’t end.I think maybe that’s where politics begins losing traction with people,between elections.
“Motivating voters and pulling off a landslide election will require a gut-level change of attitude about the two parties among millions of Americans. For all of the great policies everyone will suggest Democrats to run on this fall, ultimately winning will be based just as much on how Americans view their identity in relation to the image of the two coalitions as anything else. We need to avoid falling into the wonk trap of assuming that people are motivated by policy details. It is the identity, stupid. We need to explore ways to motivate voters for progressive causes with that in mind.”
There’s the key. And so far, with respect to the FDL regulars, you get an F. I suggest you look into your own mirror…that is, if your goal is to WIN in 2006 and beyond. I’m quite sure most of the fdl’ers are VERY well-intentioned, VERY decent, and VERY intelligent folks. But you’re playing an out-of-tune song…in so many ways.
Whether you intend to or not, (and I think it’s UNintentional) you foster a clubhouse atmosphere here…one that says “either you believe EXACTLY 100% like we do, or get lost”. And, when those express dissent over an issue…most often the avalanche of response is to snap and snarl….rather than to listen and reason.
There are MANY progressive Democratic issues with which the regular folks can agree, and would be persuaded to vote. But when you, in effect, look down your nose when someone expresses reservations (JUST reservations!) on gay marriage issues…you lose a huge chunk of possible voters.
When someone expresses concerns over open borders…you’re quick to insinuate that “you’re a racist”.
Too often you snap and snarl when, if you were to add up all the issues, such a person is “with you” on about 75% of all progressive Democratic issues…but you want to focus on the 25% disagreement.
Leadership: the Democrats are sorely lacking here. Sorry, but folks such as Feingold and Kucinik…are just seen as pussies by many. Where’s any Democrat who stands shoulder to shoulder with Murtha? You know what? Murtha is a Yankee…but he could probably get elected in most ANY southern congressional district.
The Democratic party needs more people with BALLS….not a bunch of sniviling wine and cheesers who run around town locked on 1-2 issues such as NARAL and gay rights.
If you want to WIN….you need to start LISTENING to the views of others, and seeing how you can get along with them. Otherwise…you’ll have a fine, witty, and wonderfully snarky country club…but will always post up losses come November.
Ghostman
It’s okay to use stereotypes if you’re Gretchen Wilson but not if you’re Howard Dean. And what polite regular-folk Southerners want from effite liberal latte-drinking Volvo-driving gun-seizing over-educated pointy-headed secular-humanist flip-flopping draft-dodging dope-smoking moonbats is respect.
This is a gonna be a long tough row to hoe.
One thing we’ve got to do is find some candidates that didn’t go to Ivy League schools. As John Rogers wrote in ‘Learn to Say Ain’t’, “Why do we keep nominating Frazier Crane?”
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Sitting here reading the comments while listening via the web to the Saturday morning bluegrass show on KGNU, I have very mixed feelings about the need/desirability of a Dem Southern Strategy. I also am a native of West Virginia and like many I could not wait to grow up and get out. My parents were liberal activists in the state in the 50’s-60’s and it was a very hard row to hoe. We lived in Charleston, the state capital, and my parents were key actors in lobbying for a number of reforms, including abolition of blue laws, real implementation of federal laws against discrimination in public accomodations, and reapportionment of the legislature in compliance with the Supreme Court one-man-one-vote decision. My father did the statistical analysis for the last of these and it ultimately cost him his job when some legislators who were set to lose their seats made calls to higher ups in the company he worked for then.
The two aspects of that culture that I recall with exasperation were the rigid conformity and the fatalistic outlook on life. There really was no room for anyone who did not fully subscribe to community beliefs and values. Teachers in my high school called me a “nigger lover” because of my family’s civil rights activities, and I was not admitted to the Honor Society despite having one of the highest GPAs in my class and being a National Merit finalist. Those were not tragedies, but certainly underlined to me the fact that you were expected to sit down, shut up and go along with the crowd, or else. This is what tribalism means. My experience is now 30 years out of date, but I haven’t seen much evidence that this intense tribalism has changed much in large swaths of the South.
It’s the tribal expectation of absolute conformity that leads to the pandering we occasionally see among consultant-besotted Dem politicians. These politicians don’t appear to think that attempts to persuade Southern voters on some important non-negotiable issues, like separation of church and state, will be successful, so they don’t even attempt to persuade. Instead they try to walk the line, making funny contorted statements that don’t exactly endorse one side or another. Or they do go further, and signal that they might actually be willing to give up on what to me are non-negotiable issues (choice comes to mind) for the sake of winning the Southern vote.
This, to me is the real danger of a Dem Southern Strategy. I am quite comfortable with honestly presenting the ways in which mainstream Democratic positions will help ordinary people in the South and thereby try to persuade them to vote Democratic. But I am not at all comfortable with the idea that we must give in on key aspects of our policies in order to make the tribe comfortable voting Democratic. I say present what we have to offer and let them take it or leave it. I am not at all willing to let the tribe in West Virginia dictate what is acceptable to think and do nationally. We are already there, thanks the the Republican Southern Strategy, and it’s not OK with me.
Let me also mention that I have lived in Chicago for close to 30 years now. There certainly are pockets of tribal thinking here just like in the South, especially in the suburbs, but I find much less antagonism toward strange Others even among adherents to one tribe or another. The much greater diversity of this setting keeps that stuff to a minimum. Most likely there are areas in the South, such as Atlanta, where the culture has adjusted to diversity, but my point is that the tribalists in the South and elsewhere are the ones who need to adjust to living in a diverse nation, not the other way around.
I’m sure there are many more of these little incidents that we have yet to hear of…
It’s what you get when you lie our people to war& there is no objective or strategy or understanding of the culture and language of the occupied.
And the CIC continues to lie and demonize.
All the reasons you cite are, imho, one of the reason Howard Dean had such broad appeal. He wasn’t pre-packaged and smooth and he said what he thought, the risks be damned.
There’s a fabulous pic from the campaign of HD with two “old timer” barbers in Iowa, the three of them yucking it up. It’s always stuck with me, a real iconic moment…
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Which just goes to show you that just bc you’re a relatively rich guy you can connect with people of all classes/backgrouns *as long as you possess & communicate genuine empathy*.
And WORD on Paul Wellstone, a true national treasure. There’s a guy who deserves a monument on the National Mall…
ah, the acrid smell of misogyny in the afternoon…
Happy Memorial Day, Mr. War Hero President:
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Details surface of U.S. ‘atrocity’ in Iraq
PAUL KORING
Globe and Mail Update
WASHINGTON – Stark evidence is emerging of deliberate reprisal killings of about two dozen civilians, including women and children, by a handful of U.S. Marines last November in what may prove to be the worst atrocity yet by U.S. forces in Iraq.
On the eve of Memorial Day weekend, when Americans honour their armed forces with parades and marching bands, President George W. Bush’s administration was girding for a new spate of horrific revelations. Although no charges have yet been laid, the Pentagon is in damage-control mode and the top Marine general has flown to Iraq to steady his charges.
In closed sessions, senior military officers have been briefing key lawmakers about the two-month-old investigation, which is nearing completion. As many as a dozen Marines could face charges to include murder, dereliction of duty and making false reports for trying to cover up what happened.
It is alleged that a small squad of Marines killed at least three separate groups of people in cold blood – five men in a taxi and two larger groups, including women and children, in two houses in the city of Haditha. It appears to have been a deliberate set of reprisal killings after a Marine was killed by insurgents, according to reports pieced together from those who have attended the briefings.
“This was not an accident,” said Minnesota Republican John Kline, a former Marine colonel who was briefed about the killings along with other members of the House of Representatives armed-services committee. “This was not an immediate response to an attack. This would be an atrocity,” he told The New York Times…
Ghostman,
Squeeze me, but I do not accept your F. See me at 41 above:
“I’ll catch up later, if that’s OK, for there is one so very crucial point that Digby makes Via Bowers that Christy includes and it’s this: It is the identity, stupid.”
I’ll kindly accept the change in grade to a B , at least. Thanks now.
war crimes… who is responsible? the much revered chain of command leads to the commander in chief.
Nice post, Redd.
Having lived in West Virginia and working with groups like th Christian Appalachian Project, I absolutley agree that the eastern mountain states should be in play. And frankly,for that group the message and the messenger is right in front of us.
Mining is the message and Al Gore is the messenger.
The recent mining disasters in West Virginia and Kentucky have reminded people of the proper role of a government which protects the little guy who risks his life and health to keep the enrgy supply coming for the rest of the US. Even the vast majority of residents of West Virginia, Eastern Ohio, Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Tennessee and Western Virginia that don’t work in the mines feel a strong kinship to the issues surrounding them–independence from oil, mine safety, the environment.
While it can be said of many states, it can certainly be said of West Virginia that its margin for Bush cost Gore the electoral college. Bush is disgraced by these people for his empty promises of that election that they put their trust in. Gore, meanwhile, has found his voice, his dignity and his roots.
While Kennedy is still revered (and Jay Rockefeller as well, BTW) the most popular politician in the history of the state is Democratic Senator Byrd. Why? Hi care is genuine, passionate and personal. He finds nobility–true nobility –in the average working man. Woody Guthrie played here. Johnny Cash played here. Bruce Srpingsteen plays here.
Tell the working men and women of Appalachia that they are our heroes, that they will lead us into a better tomorrow with their broad shoulders and love of America and they will respond. The right message on the role of these states in our energy future and the right messenger can be the difference in Tennesse, West Virginia, Ohio and maybe even Virginia and Kentucky. That’s not the old South–I’m not sure it’s quite the same down there–but it is a significant opportunity I agree we can not ignore.
The main thing the Democrats need to do is talk to the middle, no matter where. If they talk about what they can do for jobs, energy, fair pay and health benefits, the country will get behind them. Every time the goopers try to change the subject to gay marriage or whatever, avoid the bait to trivialize the discussion.
149, hilde: well, I “think” we’re in agreement on some things?? (or, and hey, I CAN certainly laugh at my own foibles…perhaps you’re saying we DISagree, chuckle)
Ok, I’ve re-re-read your #41 above (sometimes I AM a tad slow, chuckle), and I think we’re in agreement on the image issues. You and I “may” disagree on particulars of image…but we’ll see! I enjoy your dialogue, and look forward to more.
Ghostman
Christy, I’ll tell you outright that I think bluegrass is a hell of a lot of fun, and cross-pollination aside, I don’t really consider it “country music.” It’s more like down-home jazz, and it’s some of the happiest-sounding music you can hear.
Hilde says:May 27th, 2006 at 9:09 am ck 108…Bravo. You articulated what I’ve been trying to write about here for the past few days – but my perspective has been from a marketing POV….Marketers refer to “tribal identity” as “self-definition”. The internal voice that says “I am a Democrat” or “I am not a Republican” (they are not the same thing) or “I am a Mac person” or “I am a Target person” or etc., etc.
This idea of tribalism translates into branding for the dem party. Again, marketing becomes the tool to use ….and that is exactly the problem. Marketing is one word term for an artificial presentation of something or someone. Bush and more certainly, Rove rely on Marketing. And it has worked to win elections, but since the goal was “the sale” (getting the vote) instead of governing, our country is going down the toilet with unqualified kool-ade drinking poster-children at the helm of almost every department, agency, and office appointed by an even more unqualified poster-child in the White House.
The goal should not be “to win” but to govern. The dems need to successfully demonstrate without marketing that the vote is the means to the goal, and not the goal itself.
I also want to say that there is a ring of truth in Ghostman’s post about exclusion, open mindedness, and how that plays to folks who are not part of the inner circle or the club at large.
Just sayin’
“Don’t know what Democrats stand for.”
I’ll tell ya–pretty much anything. Look at Hayden. Didn’t do such a good job pre-9/11 with signals intelligence. The architect for Bush’s illegal warrantless wiretapping does such a bangup job at the NSA, the dems vote overwhelmingly to promote him to run the CIA.
Are they still keeping their powder dry? Exactly how heinous would a person have to be to not get the nod from the opposition party? Jeffrey Dahmer? Charles Manson? Wussies will never win in the South. I don’t know how they win anywhere. Everyone who just voted to approve Hayden just endorsed the illegal warrantless wiretapping program and can never refute the program without being a flipflopper. Make a stand and don’t move. That way people will know where to find you.
Evil Dr Puma at 157 — Well, I’ve always seen Bluegrass as an outgrowth of celtic music — from the Scots-Irish settlers that flowed over the mountains and into the hollers of Appalachia back in the day. (Including my great-granny who came into WV in a covered wagon when she was a tiny girlie.)
But everyone else tends to lump bluegrass into the country basket, so I shorthanded this morning. ;-) Ought to have known better on this blog…
John Hartford ruled!
Christy, I spent 15 years in Northern Virginia, the South to my California-girl heart but the Yankee North to all southerners, and then several years in Appalachia – Wise/Norton area, in the coal belt. Someone upthread mentioned the isolation of these areas, and that was my experience, too. The politics there was local and tribal, not party-based. Phone books had pages and pages of people with the same last name, and residents allied themselves with one or the other of those large families, who really controlled everything. Much corruption if you dug deeply but no one cared. Their tribe was taking care of them. That’s what mattered. What really riled ‘em was the coal companies’ choke-hold on them and Washington taking all their taxes and giving nothing back.
But they at least understood taking care of each other and their own. Back in the last energy crisis day, the thought of personal sacrifice (even simple stuff like driving 55, turning the thermostat down and wearing sweaters, as Carter asked) was complete anathema the red-neck suburbanites I knew. “Why should I suffer. Fuck the next generation, let them figure it out!” was the common refrain. The Appalachians practiced this kind of economy as a matter of course.
There’s a part of me thinking these days that this reign of conservative incompetents, the dismantling of the world as we knew it will end up being a good thing. We’ve always been told that Democracy is a grand experiment but it requires participation and constant maintenance because it’s really so easy to let someone else make all the decisions (a Decider) and just mind your own business. They’re trying to steal it from us and we won’t let them.
The Gilded Age is coming again. Can someone make a movie before 2008 that mocks the current CW (conventional wisdon, not country western) thinking that Republicans are on your side? Titanic didn’t go far enough, but that kind of thing is what I mean.
And by the way, just what did Bush tell the heads of the movie studios in the days just after 911? Has anyone ever addressed the symbolism of 9/11 being chosen as the day? Emergency emergency call 911!
Christy 160 – To a great extent, you’re right about the Scots-Irish origins, although there remains that probably African-American influence via the banjo. I’m no music historian (although I do putter in Celtic archaeology), but the similarities between bluegrass and Irish fiddling, for example, are unmistakeable.
It’s probably worth burying the myth that if the dems could just get behind REAL democrats (Apparently Russ is the only living example of the species) state truly progressive positions on the issues and “tell it like it is” speaking to power- yada yada yada THEN the american people would embrace em warmly and we would be on the way to a warm progressive america for all eternity.
IT’S BULLSHIT!
IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN-
IT’s among the most egregious examples of wishful thinking to ever be spoken in public.
If you want to understand the dems- then you have to look at the democratic party- or what’s left of it. You have to know who they are and how they think- then you need to look at the next slice of the pie- the people who war currently voting gooper but who might be persuaded to join the coalition- and what would convince them to join up.
The democratic leadership does what’s necessary to hold the coalition together- that’s a law of political physics- and if one doesn’t like what they’re doing (who does?) it’s because one doesn’t really embrace some part of the coalition.
About respect & people who are different from us:
When I lived in Chicago, I used to have to walk 3 or 4 blocks to the train station. A group of young KKKers used to stand on the big main avenue with a giant confederate flag and yell and spit on people like me. These guys lived on one of the streets that crossed the avenue, my street, they were poor white unemployed guys, mostly uneducated – the local grade school did not have paper or pencils – they were the sons of appalachian miners (mostly disabled with black lung) who had migrated to the city. They were recruited by outsiders who saw them as cheap but effective tools. I didn’t like getting yelled at and it really sucks to get spit on – each day, I crossed to the other side of the street. I am a small woman of color, I am a lesbian, leftist, my parents (the children of sugar cane workers) sent me to private school and I graduated from college. We were pretty different from each other, me and the KKKers. But we lived on the same street, they were my neighbors, and in Chicago, neighborhoods mean something. Then, one day, when I had to move across the street, who saw me struggling with a big sofa? My neighbors. My neighbors who helped me move it and many more boxes for free – yep, the KKKers – because I was their neighbor too. They would still yell and spit on me on the avenue but on our street, we were neighbors, and neighbors help neighbors.
What I learned about people was this: Just because you hate me and everything you believe I stand for does not mean that you aren’t gonna like me in spite of yourself or that you aren’t gonna help me when I need you to. And ditto for me. We’re not so different.
Having grown up in a poor “white trash” neighborhood in Southern Indiana, where people from the surrounding towns refered to us as “river rats” I think I have some understanding of what the poor working class thinks, even though I have been fortunate enough to get an education and escape from the poverty that dominates the lives of so many.
As Christy states so well, we need another leader like Kennedy who can appeal to the common man. Many of the working class poor instinctively distrust Republicans as the party of the rich, and they may also be somewhat aware that Democrats are more responsive to their interests, but way too many of them do not vote! They simply don’t believe it will really make a difference in their lives which party is in control.
Although their are many working class poor who vote against their own economic interests, the numbers who don’t bother to participate are much greater. These are the people that must be reached.
PK- Great post- should be a great short story- the truth is packed in those few words.
I have mixed feelings about this post. I understand what you are saying, but the South gets more federal tax dollars than anywhere else. I live in California now, and we get less than what we pay in. Trust me — I understand — I was raised in Oklahoma. But when is it time for these people to grow up? For a long time, the South has been pandered to, gotten most of the tax money, votes GOP (nationally, anyway) and they are still wanting to be pandered to? What about California? We get fewer tax dollars, have been raped on the energy issue, and still vote for Democrats. Yes, I know — there are a LOT of really stupid Californians — electing Arnold, anyone? My own in-laws were SO proud to boast that they had voted for Arnold (absentee, a week before the election). When I told them what Arnold was, and what he would do — they were sorry.
The key is somehow getting ALL Americans educated — make them keep up with politics rather than watching American Idol of teevee.
How? Beats me. Smart people must figure it out though.
Dems have our stand up heroes, cf. Murtha, Feingold, Gore.
Remember Al Gore presiding in the Senate as , one by one, members of the Black Caucus came forward to protest the election? Not one, not one Senator stood with them.
Gore won the popular vote and has been vilified to not fighting the results. But Bush, as I recall, didn’t fight. He hung out in Texas while his loyal minions fought, and won.
I can’t imagine Gore will run again unless he is drafted. Just how is that done, by the way.
“drafting” well there was a time when we had “open conventions” and where the delegates were free to vote for whomever they wished- and the candidate was PICKED at the convention. Didn’t happen often- but there have been cases (I think) where a presidential candidate was “drafted” at the convention by delegates and ASKED to stand up and run.
It could only happen now if the primary battle was so close that the committed delegates couldn’t agree on a candidate through multiple ballots and were then free to vote for whomever they chose.
Not likely. What happens now is that the clear winner in the early primaries tends to build up votes like a snowball so we have a clear first ballot victor.
EXPOSING GOP WOLVES IN LIBERAL-CLOTHING
Thanks for a candid and thoughtful post, Christy.
One of the most frustrating aspects of the modern-day GOP is how hell-bent they seem on preemptively using (and thereby ruining) liberal rhetoric in the service of deliberate GOP deceit.
The “I’m-a-uniter-not-a-divider” line comes immediately to mind. (Who was it who deliberately used national security as a wedge issue to club Dems into submission in ‘02 and forever thereafter; gay marriage in ‘04, etc. And hey, isn’t “uniting people for our common good” what liberals are supposed to be about?)
“Spreading democracy” when the WMD snipe hunt came up dry. (”Argue against that, liberals!”)
“Values”. (MLK and the civil-rights movement were not about “values”? Beating back the McCarthyist hysterics wasn’t about “values”? And, from the other side of the fence, Hurricane Katrina wasn’t about [lack of] “values”? Lying your way into war and then brazening it out, daring, fucking *daring* the country to call your bluff — that isn’t about [a lack of] “values”?) On and on and on and fucking on.
The Bush-led GOP deliberately coopts the language of liberalism (”compassionate conservatism” anyone?) and thereby accomplishes an improbable two-fer:
1. the GOP strips liberals/Dems of the capacity to talk in their natural language of appeal by using liberal rhetoric for its own deceptive purposes, and
2. the GOP simultaneously discredits “liberalism” while they fail
This practice by the GOP literally paralyzes Dem politicians b/c Dems no longer have the tools to fight back w/o seeming to be mimicking the GOP (which, if Bushism were successful, woulda been depicted as “opportunistic me-tooism” by Dems, but, since Bushism has failed in nearly every field of endeavor, the GOP practice preemptively disarms a spirited attack by Dems b/c Dems would seem to be arguing against … liberalism?).
Nuther words: Heads, Dems lose; tails, GOP wins.
GOP wolves in liberal-clothing: it’s like a form of political vampirism, paralysis by parasitism.
Many of these bludgeoning GOP tropes have been discredited w/the nation at large (or severely damaged, anyway), thankfully, but certainly not by Dems. No, Dems have passively allowed baseless bullying GOP assertions to run their course: and only now that reality is finally outstripping propaganda do we see some semblance of sanity returning to the country. But passively standing by and allowing history to act as your revelator isn’t political leadership. It’s pathetic and cowardly. It wins Dems no respect to be perched high atop the lookout mast and then cry, “Rocks ahead!” after we’ve already struck the reef.
So what to do? Here’s my two cents, fwiw.
Connection w/voters is a self-evident but powerful point. It’s the sort of thing everyone knows is necessary, but still, it is not seriously pursued by most Dems.
To re-cite the obvious: this was why so many folks got so excited about Edwards’s addresses back in the ‘04 campaign — Edwards appealed to voters in a way they truly hungered for: 1. he was smart, and 2. he cared about the comman woman and man.
Wonkishness ain’t enough, not nearly enough.
How do you build voter identity?
Voters, PEOPLE, wanna know you got a moral stake in the outcome, wanna know your heart’s in it. That’s how come, as you cite, Christy, a Boston blue-blood can inspire folks, 40 years after the fact, to keep his picture on the wall right there in place of distinction next to Jesus (well, a little below, maybe, but still).
B/c at bottom, that’s how people judge whether you’ll fight for them or not, whether they believe your heart’s in it or not. Partly by being outta touch and partly by being cowardly, Dems have ceded this field, outright, w/o a fight, to the GOP for years and years now, to *every-fucking-one’s* cost but the uber-wealthy. And right or wrong, it is what it is: most voters will choose strong and wrong over weak and meek.
Or, to put it into aphoristic form:
How do Dems hope to convice voters they can be trusted to stand up for the Constitution (no less, stand up to al Qaeda) if Dems can’t even be trusted to stand up to Republicans? That, to me, is the heart of the fucking matter.
Modern-day Dems are so out of practice in appealing to voters as human-fucking-beings, they are so cage-trained by the GOP — especially by the right-wing noise machine — that they have become afraid of shadows, the GOP national security shadow, the shrieking harpies in the media’s shadow, their own second-guessing dare-I-simply-tell-the-truth shadows.
Dems are seemingly terrified to make an earnest, fire-in-the-belly, wonkish-plus-heartshare appeal to voters for fear of being ridiculed by the GOP and the establishment media. Ah, but never fear. You WILL be ridiculed. Or the attempt will be made. Which is why it’s critical to have these people’s backs when a politician actually stands up for principle (viz. Feingold, Conyers, et al.)
The understood rules: when the GOP does it, it’s “authentic” (authentically deceitful); when Dems do it, it’s “pandering”.
But nothing is stopping Dems from making these “we’ll-fight-for-you” appeals but their own fear and the (inevitable) shit-storm of GOP hyperventilating. The pearl-clutching and foot-stamping GOP reaction is inevitable and it is to be expected, but:
That dragon eventually must be slayed. It won’t — will not — go away.
One thing is certainly true: GOP attacks on Dems will come whether or not Dems fight for what they believe in or not, so why, why, why continue to allow the GOP to define Dems (and Dems define themselves) as feckless and pathetic when it’s wholly w/in their power to change this perception?
So sometimes — even tho’ everybody knows it — you just gotta keep hammering that nail till even the zombies who run the Dem caucus wake up.
As you correctly cite, Christy, it’s not enough to be *against* something. You must give voters a reason to vote *for* you.
The Dem game-plan so far seems to be: play it safe until all the wheels fall off and then, in desperation, voters will turn, in desperation, to the ever-ineffectual Dems as saviors. Does this make sense to anyone? This pathetic bit of folly is as contemptible as it is cowardly. It naively expects Americans not to hold Dems in contempt for being silently complicit in the destruction of America. Somehow I think “but we didn’t agree w/it” is going to sound very convincing when everything falls apart.
So: Dems can be reactively cowardly or proactively assertive in reclaiming the confidence of American voters. If they go along w/the GOP and passively wait for the GOP goetterdammerung, if there’s anything left of America worth saving, Dems *may* get their chance. Or they may not. A lot can happen. A new party could get started that cries: “A pox on *both* your fucking houses.
But if Dems take the initiative and (gasp!) actually *lead*, it will expedite this process of respect and identity immensely.
Seems to me there’re two critical guiding principles for Dems (one negative, one positive) that will win back, first, voters’ respect, and second, a renewed connection:
1. call out, openly and consistently and forcefully, GOP hypocrisy and charlatanism — every. fucking. time.; expose the false prophets of sham “authenticity” and “ideas” and “grown-upism” and expose the moral vacuum that lies back of GOP posturing; the blogosphere is currently doing its considerable part in performing this long-overdue corrective, but Dem politicians largely are not, and when they *do* pick up this (omnipresent) theme, it’s usually pretty weak brew; if you’re going to hunt bear, bring enough gun; Dems are still showing a shameful (yes, shameful, and contemptible, too) deference to the GOP and this is unacceptable; it doesn’t even take courage anymore, apart from braving the right-wing noise machine’s shit-storm hurricane, b/c the majority of people are in opposition to the Bush-led “leadership”, and
2. fight *for* what you believe in; *ex-fucking-pect* the right-wing noise machine to ramp up their attacks and throw their fucking hypocrisy right back in their face; have the courage of your convictions, not just the limp display of token “concern” we see from modern-day Dems followed by their inevitable collapse, a collapse that only reinforces the sense that Dems will draw the line nowhere, that they are pathetic lapdogs; failing to speak out, especially when the country is hungering for honesty and straight-talk, inspires nothing but contempt; if there’s one thing Dems need to get thru their heads, it’s this: you can lose the battle but still win the war — when you take a stand in a fight you will probably lose, you are not just laying down a marker that the policies you oppose are unacceptable, you are earning credit and respect w/voters for having sand enough in your craw to go to the mat for what you believe is right — that fucking matters; the concern-and-capitulate dance makes you nothing but a ridiculous object of derision.
If anyone made it this far, sorry to be so long-winded. Appreciate your thoughts and any ideas or points of contention are welcome.
Huckermill
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Dave 112 The time is right for a leader to emerge – to fill the void – to speak to the masses. Like Lou Dobbs. The other angle might be someone like Hugo Chavez. That’s the ticket. Lou Dobbs vs. Hugo Chavez.
Recent Rethug theme used to promote the idea of a disinterested public: More people vote for American Idol than for president.
Well, for one, if people could vote by phone for president, there would be a lot more voting going on. Also, I was told by one Idol fan that she personally had cast over 50 votes on one night for Chris – lots of multiple voting going on.
Plus, you don’t have to register to vote for American Idol. Plus they don’t purge idol voter lists for bogus felons. And they don’t set up police vehicle check points/road blocks on voting day to intimidate poor people against
voting for their favorite Idol.
Anybody hearing this stupid BS repeated? I know I have and I shoot ‘em down.
Rethugs don’t want common folks to vote because they will lose. This American Idol Rethug talking point is brought to you by Karl Rove.
I’m trying to do as a post for both ReddHedd/Christy Hardin Smith FireDogLake and Digby. For some reason I first though of John Edgerton writing of the Americanization of Dixie and the Southernization of America in the context of our nation becoming more the same. However, it does seem that the South is winning the peace even if they lost what the large neo-confederate population still might refer to as The War of Northern Aggression. I then thought of Annie Proulx who once wrote of every few country songs glorifying “home” yet I can’t recall the exact work. Her take was I think that rural life sucked so the listeners need it to be elevated to stand it. Both of those ideas spoke to me then and still resonate. But most of all I feel somewhat qualified to comment because I’m from rural East Alabama where I’ve lived all my life.
Here’s my bio and circumstances: I joke that I’m a recovering Southern Baptist. I have a decent education. I’ve always been a lefty yet serious these days. Is it all Bu$hCo? A former lawyer, I feel kinship with Redd when she writes of work among the mudsills of society. I was brought up as a farm kid with a Yellow Dog Democrat daddy who was flawed yet liberal on race back when it wasn’t cool here. I’ve been teaching poor (and often resistant to learning!) southern teens these last five years. I have even been in hayfields this week and in garden this morning! Plus I talk with a twang when I release my inner country boy. Buy groceries at the Piggly Wiggly or the Wal-Mart when the Pig is closed. Yet I can read. I just polished off Jardin and Saunder’s Foxes in the Henhouse and recommend it highly on this issue. Frank’s What’s the Matter with Kansas work was great and applies to much of fly over land. Have long ago looked at George Wallace via Dan Carter and do think he’s on to something on the backlash theory that Nixon’s Phillip’s built on for their Southern Strategy. W.J. Cash’s old Mind of the South is a must read plus Woodward and Tindall and Black and Black’s political work ‘aint bad. Faulkner and O’Connor and … There’s blues and bluegrass and gospel and …
Here’s the deal for most outlanders looking down South. The South is bizarre and simple and complex and haunted and wonderful and tragic and …. I’m thrilled at these posts and nearly all of the comments but do believe that the party needs insiders that can at least move in and out of these myths and realities. One common theme that works I think with any of this is courage and legitimacy with a good dose of populism. Packaging via consultants can only go so far in delivering any of this. I think we on the angry left are looking in the right places but getting the leadership in gear is the real quandary.
Since January I’ve been trying to sell Lefty Progressivism, politely as I’m able, here in the branch heads of my locale. Blogging, letters to the editor, engaging local politicians, confronting DINOs, appearing at a Jeff Sessions meet and greet and getting my Scots up, etc. I figure activism at a local level can perhaps serve as a stop gap until the national party gets their act together. I hope I do no harm but I can’t see how things can get any worse down here. There are plenty of folks here suffering from what I think Dr. King labeled as sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity yet I figure there’s a right smart of that everywhere these days. Populism has worked at times here yet often the Big Mules step in to squash those efforts. Divide the fusion of blacks and poor whites via race has been a tried and true technique. Wallace could nail votes by railing against federal interference and pointy headed briefcase carrying intellectuals.
I’ll close with a plea for folks to learn their history and this culture before trying to diagnose us. Southerners really can’t even figure this place out. Thanks for the great work and comments. I’ll stew on this for days. Feel free to contact me directly or visit my blogs if so inclined. Peace … or War! John
The most effective dem politician in modern history is William Jefferson Clinton. He found a way to split the difference- speak from the heart- or appear to- and beat two goopers including an incumbent president.
If dems REALLY want to win the White House- they should revisit how all that happened.
164 & 165: yes, drafting Gore would probably require a deadlocked convention. Who knows…it might happen!
And Jan, 164, as to Bush letting his minions fight his battles….yep! But that’s nothing new! Much has been written of Bush’s supposed Nat’l Guard days…well, he was a member of the well-known “Champagne Brigade”….the sons of the wealthy and influential (both D teamers and R teamers!) who got to sit out Nam while others fought…and died.
Ghostman
Despite all the gooper bullshit- despite billions spent on attacking him and every tiny bit of his life- William Jefferson Clinton would still beat GW Clusterfuck by double digits in a fair election- you can take that one to the bank.
> he South is bizarre and simple and complex
> and haunted and wonderful and tragic and %u2026.
Setting aside the issue of black people and other minorities, I say if the South wants to be that way great. I won’t interfere or condescend in any way.
But can the South accept that the rest of the country doesn’t have to conform to its oddities? Can the South accept that the reality of federal transfer payments is not something that is both “true and false”, but that it is an incontrovertable fact that the South is supported by the non-South? (even before Bush decided to close most of the remaining military bases north of the M-D line, which will increase the balance of payments even more)
Cranky
BTW, a lot of this discussion is going to look silly in 30 years anyway when California has 30% of the US’ population (and 50% below the age of 30) and most of it ain’t lilly white (and in fact won’t remember anything about the Civil War after they pass 7th grade civics).
Cranky
This harks back to the Goldwater chat a ways back for mine and along those lines I was fascinated to see a reference to Goldwater’s guy, Hess in an article at the anarchist website, Infoshop!
Also can’t help thinkin’ bout Upton Sinclair and there was a quote of his at Google today…
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.
– Upton Sinclair
That seems to sum up the good ol ‘ Hostile takeover’ boys doesn’t it!
Fuck them and all who who sail in them.
I’d like to read that Goldwater book but one that may be flyin’-in-formation with it is one by Gerry Spence. In ‘ The notebooks of a country lawyer’, Spence describes running for and winning a rural repug campaign. He reckons the meme of ‘ small government-lower tax’ has been a winner for this crowd for about fifty years.
Doesn’t seem to matter to much if’n a lot of big sherrifs shut down the local gambling/whore house and taxes sorta creep up anyway.
So why can’t the Dems win with this meme?
Swear on the constitution to strictly limit the size and power of the state?
Use the constitution to wedge the right and split off all the smarter freeping goopers.
I mean the isolationists and free marketeer’s not the hopeless Kool-aiders.
Dems who swear to repeal two laws for everyone they pass could go far – plus each law they pass could have a built in sunset clause.
Most conservatives are stupid but not all conservatives are stupid and the smarter ones know that things have to change in order to saty the same.
Within an overall ‘ we will shrink the state and fight for yr constitutional rights such as the second and forth ammendments’ a significant place could easily be found for a sane health care plan. This would blow out a part of the state sector but that would be instantly balanced by huge cuts in the black budgets in the black hole of the pentagon ( the Start wars program for example )and huge estate tax increases for the filthy rich.
This campaign will have to be a bit like FDR’s and call for a fair deal as well as a new deal.
The ‘ death tax’ is actually one of the fairest.
Oh and the ERA has to pass – enough coathanger politics. We want to see some leadership that will fight the madness of the new dark ages.
A big part of this ‘ getting the cops out of the bedroom’ will also involve getting the cops out of the living room. A repeal of the second failed prohibition.
Now I know none of this will fly in ‘ Ein Reich’s’ Ein media, but thats where we come in.
Voting actually only takes a hour or so most places but we are dedicated to placing recallable, rotatable, replaceable public service dedicated delegates in positions of public trust. To ensure they don’t succumb to temptation these public slave…servants shall have to pledge allegience to ‘ Brinworld’ ( ubiqitous surveillance)
Now finally as important as the environment is the political environment is equally important.
With three strikes against them in Watergate, Iran-contra and now Yellowgate the GOP has forfeited their right to contest politics – forever. They must be hunted down , smoked out of their neo-confederate nests and put on the run. We need fumigators and exterminators – not preachers and mediators.
Identity politics means standing for something.
Like Eugene Debs stood for something.
But youse knew all this anyway didn’t ya?
Thanks Christy.
Going to agree with the reverse southern biad%u2026
Let’s add People’s Republic of Madison or Berkeley or Austin.
As long as people want to pretend that driving around in the SUV is a right and global waming is just going to have to deal with it, and you can do this with any number of subjects, the GOP is going to have a field day with ignorant hicks, some of whom happen to be in the south, and some of whom are working class.
If you’re going to pretend the “inconvenient truths” are a ploy by the perfessers to get funding and the liberals to scare you, there isn;t a lot the Democrats are going to be able to do about it except find a way to package truth.
I love my roots and the people from the places of my past, too%u2026 But, goddamn, treating them like all God’s worthy children and patting them on the head for their authenticity is just another form of patronizing.
These aren’t stupid people, these are lazy people in denial. They sorely need an intervention.
what they’d like is some respect and to be treated like they are just as important and intelligent as the rest of the country.
I think we’d all like our civic pride back and a feeling like we’re participating. *sigh* This is true of CT too. We’re a little New England state that gets stereotyped and characterized as this stagnant pool, “the land of no change,” stuck in between its mammoth more dynamic neighbors–New York and Massachussetts. All we do is look up to other states and feel as though we fall short all the time. I think we can all relate to West Virginians. But I also feel we “little” and “not so important” stereotyped states can steal the ball and become the sleeper progressives. MWahaha!
“Kathleen Kennedy Townsend had a horrible campaign,seemed utterly aloof and incompetent(remember the’boys boot camp’scandle on her watch),and coming out of the Glendening camp did’nt help.Basically the Dem party strategy in miniture.A loser.”
You’re right. She and her campaign spent their energy out of state fund raising, as well.
I’m hoping that Erhlich has been a big enough shock to the Md Dems’ collective systems and we can improve things. I’m not holding my breath, though.
Ah baloney. The Dems lost the South when the Dixicrats bolted, and more when Johnson pushed hard for Civil Rights legislation in 1964.
THE GOP wins routinely because the lie machine works on their behalf.
If the media would just tilt to….center, and pigs fly…..
Finally it’s naive to think that any politician has “the people” in mind when they vote on an issue — they have their corporate puppeteers foremost in mind, because without the big bucks there’s no re-election.
Grassroots populist movement? I’ve seen the grassroots and they don’t vote. Except for the next American Idol.
“Empathy and respect” is a wonderful place to start.
By the way- there are more self identified dems in the US than goopers-and the dem advantage is GROWING as the goopers piss all over themselves.
To win as a dem- you first have to solidify the african american vote- the trade union vote- and the votes of women. That’s where you start. Any message that doesn’t pass muster THERE ain’t gonna fly.
The african american vote is largely religious. The trade union vote is largely flag waving patriotic. The women’s vote is pretty much like the general population- with a slight preferenece for more effective social programs and education.
Once you get that vote solidified- you go after another segment and reel em in. That takes a fair degree of active and talented hypocricy- cause whatever you issue you pick will divide voters- the ones that DON’T divide voters are motherhood and apple pie- and ya ain’t gonna out apple pie goopers.
It can all be done- it WILL be done- but ya don’t wanna see the sausage making if ya have a weak stomach.
By the way, I don’t believe that anyone has EVER won the White House by advocating retreat from an active war- no matter how unpopular it may be. Nixon came the closest- and Kerry probably came about as close as you can come to advocating getting the hell out while still staying in the race.
Cranky Observer 177. The south needs to be deconstructed for its own good for sure. In order to do that though we need to start thinking of it as less than heterogenous regionally and otherwise. I will not deny that I had bad experiences as part of an interracial couple, but that was in X Southern state. Cities in Y state next door were like a haven in comparison.
I have not been to W. Virginia, but I tend to think of it as somehow akin to Vermont–maybe a little rural, a little aloof and greenish mountain wise. & Christy can correct. I once had a W. Virginian friend who had a strong pride in his state, & he was treated and not considered a “real southerner” by persons from Virginia and other surrounding states. Those people would talk “history,” but some part of me thought their attitudes were unacceptably snooty. He was a cool guy.
Traditional regionalism is not tribalism per se. I would hazard that an entirely new identity politics has sprung up from right-wing radio that has nothing to do with tribes or regions. But I also think in many ways much of this is immaterial to electoral success. All the catering to the Winn-Dixie crowd won’t necessarily garner the votes of Piggly-Wiggly patrons, regardless of transparent attempts to pander to them. Here’s a simpler prescription: If Democrats want to win elections it’s time to actually be Democrats. Period.
Polls shows that on most of important social issues, Americans agree much more with liberal positions than conservative.
October, 2003 Washington Post/ABC poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62 percent to 33 percent), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system.
In August 2003, Pew found Americans favoring, by 67 percent to 26 percent, the U.S. government guaranteeing “health insurance for all citizens,” even if that meant repealing most of “recent tax cuts.” Via Mother Jones.
According to a Pew Research Center poll in 2005:
- 86% of Americans favor increasing the minimum wage.
- 60% favor some repeal of the Bush tax cuts (25% favor the repeal of ALL and 35% favor repeal of tax cuts for the wealthy.)
- 61% give a higher priority to reducing the federal budget deficit than cutting taxes.
- 77% believe the country “should do whatever it takes to protect the environment.”
- 56% say it is important to conduct stem cell research
And so on. These are all, or used to be, strong Democratic positions based on core principles. How much do you hear major Democrats staking out these positions with anything amounting to high-visibility? Has the party come out in favor of a national health plan? A repeal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy?
Democrats can analyze tribal identity and infuse the commercials with country music all they want, but vote in favor of a bankruptcy bill, side with conservatives on national health, and cut the taxes of their wealthy contributors over fiscal sanity and none of it will make a difference in the long run.
Absolutely no disrespect to Jane — whose posts I normally agree with about 110% and whose brightness and quick-wit keeps me coming back here to read and lurk — but her post yesteday on the “pro-life” license plates and how she would “expect this stuff from Tennessee” plays into the stereotypes about Southerners. Disturbing. As a lifelong Tennesseean and someone who, like Christy, has spent my life in places pictured above, I just have to say “yeehaw” to you Christy for helping tease out some of the nuances (yes, there are nuances) about what it means to be from this part of the country.
Oh, and btw Christy, are you a Hazel Dickens fan?
The Harris Poll. Based on nationwide surveys of adults, conducted Jan.-Dec. of each year.
“Regardless of how you may vote, what do you usually consider yourself: a Republican, a Democrat, an independent, or some other party?”
Republican Democrat Independent
% % %
2005 30 36 22
Harris
Six point dem advantage.
This number has probably grown since the 2005 Harris Poll.
Dem leadership isn’t totally screwing up.
No matter WHAT Kerry wanted to make the 2004 election about- it was really about the war. You can talk till yer blue in the face about health care- social security- and tax issues- but if american troops are dyin someplace- the vote will be about the war. In 2004- americans weren’t yet comfortable about withdrawing and didn’t trust Kerry to fight it vigorously. That’s the story of that election in my opinion.
& “Dude” it is so hot in CT, I wish I was in Burlington VT. I love that place.
At this point- a significant majority of americans think that Iraq was a mistake- but when you ask em the money question- “should we get the hell out?” they are evenly divided:
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“Do you think the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized, or do you think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible?”
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Keep
Troops Bring Home Unsure
% % %
4/7-16/06 48 48 4
John C at 108: ‘It takes generations for the physiology of the brain to catch up’
Lamarck was wrong, and you are too. Physiological changes (e.g., brain pathways made or not made according to post-conception learning/experience/chemistry) are not heritable. It takes nature AND nurture to mold an organism, and literacy (except where there are perceptual or intellectual impediments) is all about nurture–family, culture, opportunity, expectations.
Sorry, don’t know if anyone else has picked up on this. I am, as usual, late to the dance and way behind in the comments. And yes, Christy, another thought-provoking post.
. . . even before Bush decided to close most of the remaining military bases north of the M-D line, which will increase the balance of payments even more)
Arrrgh, you have to remind us of Groton Subbase. Unbelievable. All those jobs at stake. Lieberman tucks Chimpy in every night so to speak, and this is our payback.
Go Ned!
In the long run- despite some important advantages- goopers are doomed in the US and they know it. They’re true positions on key domestic policy questions are unpopular with voters. Demographics are working against them- and the current attack on immigration will hasten their death knell. Democrats- or their successors in the middle left- own the future of american politics. Goopers have to hope for a breakthrough in the international enemy front to even have an even break with the voters. It’s the one issue that voters trust em more on.
Excellent post, oh Goddess of the internet. I enjoyed that.
Have you ever read John Gaventa’s work “Power & Powerlessness” written many, many moons ago?
(Gaventa was a Univ of TN Professor who wrote about the power structure of the Coal-owning and coal-mining relationship, and was awaraded a McArthur “Genius” grant as a result. Gaventa said years later that he would like to rewrite it and revise some of it, but your point is well taken – if the people feel powerless and are not presented with a winning solution, they are naturally going to resort to apathy).
Onward.
173 rwcole says:
The most effective dem politician in modern history is William Jefferson Clinton. He found a way to split the difference- speak from the heart- or appear to- and beat two goopers including an incumbent president.
If dems REALLY want to win the White House- they should revisit how all that happened.
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I respectfully disagree.
I ain’t discounting Clinton’s considerable oratorical gifts nor his ability to speak from the heart. Agreed.
And perhaps Clinton would won anyway inna straight-up w/Bush Sr. — there was plenty of economic dissatisfaction in the country back in the fall of ‘92.
But then again, Bush might notta lost if he coulda trained his guns solely on Clinton and let the GOP attack machine do its work.
A whole lotta the GOP attack machine is predicated upon isolating an enemy and dishonestly demonizing and relentlessly attacking it; inna three-way race, the main tool of GOP electioneering — divide and conquer — gets dispersed and dissipated. Loses a lotta punch that way.
Now, if Dems can always count onna third-party candidate bleeding off 18 percent of the vote (or so; whatever it was for Perot, but the vast majority was blood drawn from Bush Sr.), then perhaps the “lessons” are as hard and applicable as you seem to imply.
Somehow I don’t think they are, tho’.
Clinton was a different age, different rules, different appeal.
There’re many useful things to learn from Clinton, to be sure, but DLC triangulation and mush-mouthed centrism in the hyper-partisan age of bad faith and dishonesty in which we live damn sure ain’t one of ‘em.
(Shillary, take note.)
I think that political historians will view the Clusterfuck administration as the high water mark of this era’s gooper party. He snuck in the back door- and set up shop- he started a stupid war- that he will be saddled with historically- but the watershed moments came in 2005 when he tried to parlay his victory into the next logical step in the gooper ideological strategy-
-revise social security into an state sanctioned investment vehicle
-flatten the income tax rates substantially.
He failed so miserably with the first that he didn’t even have the guts to bring up the second.
The message that sends is “this is the end of the road of the gooper dream of transforming american into a social darwinian paradise”.
You can be sure that goopers got the message. They will not be allowed to go further down that path. I doubt if these subjects will ever be even seriously presented to congress in our lifetimes.
That’s all she wrote!
I completely agree with Cristy. Talking tough works a lot better than patronizing these guys.
In the North, if you go into a backwoods redneck bar full of loggers and ridgerunners, half the regulars have had their front teeth punched out by their friends. You don’t have to worry about offending these guys, and an oily born-again Ken doll like Santorum doesn’t do well there. Oh and don’t tell them that you support gun ownership for “hunters” because these guys will bag a deer on St Patricks day if it wanders through the yard, so screw you, your hunting licenses, and your concern for “hunters.”. However, they are *desperate* for basic medical care for when they get hurt on the job, or just drunk and miss a curve on their quad.
Thanks Redd for provoking the best political discussion I’ve seen here for some time. This is the real stuff- “which party will dominate the near future of american politics and how”. A great morning- and with some real debate!
Huckermill,
We’ll never know if Clinton would have won without Perot.
I don’t think, however, that things have changed much in the interim.
Clinton Blew away Dole in 96–He’d blow away Clusterfuck today. He’s good!
He won some states in the south- Dems need Florida and Ohio to win the White House- that much is pretty clear- and he could do it.
Huckermill,
We’ll never know if Clinton would have won without Perot.
I don’t think, however, that things have changed much in the interim.
Clinton Blew away Dole in 96–He’d blow away Clusterfuck today. He’s good!
He won some states in the south- Dems need Florida and Ohio to win the White House- that much is pretty clear- and he could do it.
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No, we never will know. But that’s the point.
Again, I disagree. I think purt-near everything’s changed in the interim.
(btw, Clinton blew away Dole in ‘96 b/c he was the president whereas in ‘92 he was the redneck from Arkansas w/the bimbo-eruption problem. Just like, back in ‘92, Bush was the president. Incumbency changes everything.)
As long as we’re posing hypoetheticals, what’s more germane is: would the Clinton of ‘92 — i.e. the popular conception of him as the Arkansas redneck calculating politician w/a bimbo-eruption problem — have defeated Bush Jr., the incumbent, in ‘04? I maintain that he would not. Wouldn’t a been close.
Again, I disagree, b/c Clinton, Bill, was a different age, different rules, different appeal.
I wholeheartedly agree w/those who want Gore, e.g.
Inna hypothetical match-up of ‘04, the Gore of 2002-04 woulda beaten Bush. Not easily, but w/enough margin not to steal it.
Why?
B/c unlike the cautious cowardly campaign of Kerry, Gore woulda recognized that the first step in stripping away the “leadership” myth of Bush (and it always was a myth; now that reality is outstripping propaganda, even the clap-louder cheerleading ninnies for Bush can see it), yes, the first step in destroying the fake leadership myth of Bush is by repudiating Bushism.
You don’t get repudiation from centrism.
The Clinton of ‘92 against the Bush incumbency of ‘04 would been thrashed whereas Kerry was simply eaked by b/c he played it safe.
How’s that “maintaining my viability” working out for you, Sen. Kerry?
– Huckermill
201 clarity edit:
“Not easily, but w/enough margin not to steal it.”
should read:
… “but w/enough margin not to [have it stolen from him].”
We have some of those kinds of Dems running for statewide office in Texas. There’s no question that they are varying degrees of long shots in their races, but if there’s one thing Texans know, it’s how to fight.
Even more important to know about Texas history than the Alamo, imo, is reading about the Battle of San Jacinto, where Santa Ana meet defeat against a ragtag but determined army that fought when everything looked hopeless not only for Texian independence, but for their very survival.
David Van Os is literally taking his campaign for Atty General to every county in Texas. He’s often joined on the stump by our nominees for Ag Commissioner, Hank Gilbert (very important position in Texas) and Lt. Gov nominee Maria Luisa Alvarado, whose domain name says it very succinctly-One Texas For All.
Before you can win, you have to fight. And if you won’t fight for your tribe, you can’t expect them to fight for you.
Huckermill,
my heart almost stopped when I read your post. Do you mind if I forward it, with “attribution” (huh? what’s a huckermill?)to a couple of candidates in CA? More, much more, please.
Christy- I am from North Central WV. Having Mollohan in possible trouble does not help the party here. Especially since the largest newspaper is owned by John Raese, who is running against Sen. Byrd.
Kevin K. – I suggest Doc Watson be your other signature..better hurry though.
BTW Huckermill, it’s eked.
rwcole 199 – What he said, Christy.
BobbyG #93 “Natural Democrat”. I like that. It describes my background perfectly. I am going to start using that phrase all the time. Growing up in rural Texas in the 60’s and 70’s, we often didn’t even have Republican primaries. I’ve always felt you need to support the candidate who looks out for your best interests. If there were a way to educate people on what they have to lose or gain with their votes (based on reality, not spin)what a difference we could make.
1. Single payer health care system.
2. Return to fair bankrupcy laws. Unfortuneately,
this will become more relevant as the housing
bubble bursts.
3. Return to tax fairness.
4. Return to fairness in College loans (and the
Repubs handed this one to the Dems on a
silver platter by raising the existing
rate on college loans) and a return to
more Pell Grants.
The American Ideal is that if you work hard and play by the rules, then you will advance economically. Everything that the Republicans have done in the last 5 years has showed that this is a fantasy. The game is rigged. And the rich who support the corruption and the arrogance of this administration have succeeded in makeing the game even more rigged. We need to call them on this and propose legislation that will undo their injustice and advance the great American dream.
This is the key. Respect in words is one thing. Respect in action is what matters.
Use Ken Lay as an example.
Use Halliburton as an example.
Use the “tax cuts” as an example.
Give the people college loans to raise themselves up.
Give the people healh care so they won’t go bankrupt just because they were unlucky enough to get sick.
Give the people a living wage so they can feed their kids.
Don’t tell me.
Show me.
203 mommybrain says:
May 27th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Huckermill,
my heart almost stopped when I read your post. Do you mind if I forward it, with “attribution” (huh? what’s a huckermill?)to a couple of candidates in CA? More, much more, please.
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Heart stopped good, like “right-on” or heart stopped bad, like “I pity the fool”?
Will chance it and hope for the former and say it’s very kind of you to say, mommybrain. Tx.
Am just gratified someone actually read it. Bit of a long blog slog.
(Which is why I fear it wouldn’t be terribly effective as a kick in the ass to candidates weened onna 5-sec soundbite, but one never knows.)
But feel free to go forth and spread the (windy) word.
re: “eak” I can only say “eek”.
(As ever, I fall on my type-O sword.)
Captain Plaid 172
>Since January I’ve been trying to sell Lefty Progressivism, politely as I’m able, here in the branch heads of my locale. Blogging, letters to the editor, engaging local politicians, confronting DINOs, appearing at a Jeff Sessions meet and greet and getting my Scots up, etc. I figure activism at a local level can perhaps serve as a stop gap until the national party gets their act together.
Captain Plaid – that is EXACTLY what we have to do. We MA Rooters visited Kerry’s offices and spoke to an aide who said the senators are not going to stand up until there is a groundswell from the people. And the groundswell will not happen until we do EXACTLY
as you are doing now. Props to you.
Huckermill #170 -
YOU SAID IT ALL. Precisely and powerfully.
Fax that baby to Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Russ Feingold, Barack Obama, why don’t you? I very much doubt that they’re here reading this excellent post and these excellent comments, though they certainly ought to be.
Of course, I too am assuming that the Senate Democrats WANT to be a part of an organized national party concerned with defending our national Constitution against the national assault against it being waged by the national Republican Party. All evidence to date, of course and tragically, indicates that my assumption is foolish: the Senate Democrats are, and wish to remain in future, representatives of the parochial self-interests of their own individual states alone – national interests of our democracy and Constitution be damned. Thus they have no unity, and there is no organized opposition from our 44 separate lone wolf state-interest-only Democrats pushing back against the organized national force of the Republican Party. Makes Harry Reid’s job a whole lot easier as Minority “Leader” — makes it in fact almost irrelevant… Perhaps that’s why Chuck Schumer seems to be the only “leader” they now have — as he works to protect every incumbent at all costs using his control over the DSCC and its millions – and thus making sure that the status quo remains unchanged.
Somehow I don’t see Harry Reid rising to the challenge of demanding that 44 self-absorbed state-trumps-country Senate Democrats start to stand their ground to defend our national Constitution and its profound principles. But if Reid ever were to try to rise to that challenge, Huckermill in #170 explained exactly how to do it, and to succeed at doing it, to the long-term benefit of every single American citizen.
Huckermill,
Stopped as in good as in right on. Actually, I’ll send the article to a couple of staffers, one of whose bosses is a good example of this:
Dems are seemingly terrified to make an earnest, fire-in-the-belly, wonkish-plus-heartshare appeal to voters for fear of being ridiculed by the GOP and the establishment media. Ah, but never fear. You WILL be ridiculed. Or the attempt will be made. Which is why it’s critical to have these people’s backs when a politician actually stands up for principle (viz. Feingold, Conyers, et al.)
Not that he’s terrified to blah blah blah. Au contraire, he IS that voice – fire in the belly, wonkish plus heartshare – and he HAS been ridiculed and that ridicule HAS become the cw on him and I just don’t understand how that happens when people hear him and see for themselves and still come away with the cw conclusion instead. They read it somewhere et voila. It’s the ratfuck standard of attack on their strength and sow doubt about their character (see Christy’s link to the MediaMatters article by Jamison Foster in the next post – ignore the smirking chimp).
Christy, thank you. This post encouraged lots of thoughtful discussion. Huckermill, I share you point of view and hope you will write more, at length.
Me, I’m type-A.
Not as in driven, as in positive.
mommybrain
“Dems are seemingly terrified to make an earnest, fire-in-the-belly, wonkish-plus-heartshare appeal to voters for fear of being ridiculed by the GOP and the establishment media. Ah, but never fear. You WILL be ridiculed.”
Exactly.
Further, Dems will be ridiculed if they don’t-much more fairly imo-as spineless do-nothings who wouldn’t know how to lead if someone handed them a flaming baton, a marching band and a map of the parade route.
So, we might as well fight.
Fight past the ridicule, past the inertia, past the corruption.
We. Must. Fight.
214 mommybrain says:
Huckermill,
Stopped as in good as in right on. Actually, I’ll send the article to a couple of staffers, one of whose bosses is a good example of …
[snip]
Christy, thank you. This post encouraged lots of thoughtful discussion. Huckermill, I share your point of view and hope you will write more, at length.
Me, I’m type-A.
Not as in driven, as in positive.
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I ain’t posted here but just enough to count on one hand (long-time reader, first-time poster here recent), but I also heartily second your thank you to Christy for her post.
This stuff needs to get fleshed out so we can figure out how we can become one country again.
The Red-Blue divide is an illusion, a completely artificial construct spun by mean-spirited rat-fucking bastards who *prefer* that America is divided, b/c that’s the only way they can win.
Sow deceit, discord, distort, divide, conquer by the barest of margins, rinse, repeat. It’s depressing as hell.
Oh, and you may rue the day you invited me to post.
I is an inveterate punster. (Type-O were as deliberate as your fine rejoinder, Type-A).
Before long, you’ll prolly be saying, Huckermill, get thee to a punnery.
Huckermill,
I be, too. I rarely have anything substantive to add to the conversations, especially the Fitzian ones, so I blather on and have pun with punaise.
RedBlue divide – it’s a “media” thing, and that’s the problem. It’s not news anymore, it hasn’t been about news in forever. It’s “media” now, LARGE boxes of soap flakes – and guns and tanks and things electrical, things pharmaceutical. It’s PR and Communications and Entertainment and Infotainment and Clenis and HillBill’s sock drawer and I. am. so. tired. We just need to talk to each other again.
See ya in the threads, Huckermill.
Intriguing post, and because it appears that only Capt Plaid @ 172 has taken up one of your points
You state, “…my parents worked hard to give me a sense of values, identity and hope, and these folks mostly came from crappy families who disrespected them and taught them to expect nothing better from life than what they already had…”
In 2004, the Future Leader of the Free World was given an entire **two minutes** to have to respond to issues as complex as the one that you alllude to here: dysfunctional families.
If the candidates had been REQUIRED to speak for even 8 uninterrupted minutes on a topic, then Bush’s cognitive deficiencies would have been evident to all the cops, plumbers, and electricians who actually tuned in to those Presidential Debates — and stilll came away still believing the Swift Boated memes about Kerry.
Some of my cousins are cops. They’re dealing with the consequences of what you are talking about, and they’ve seen things get worse over 25 years — and now meth is making it all even worse.
They’re pissed off at what they call “social breakdown” and it’s not really about race. The cops are smart enough to tell a good kid from a sociopath; it’s not as simple as race, and they’ve seen more than their share of troubled kids of all backgrounds. They’re sick of feeling like they are dealing other people’s selfish, BAD decisions. And with something like meth, they’re dealing with people who are permanently brain damaged from drug abuse — it’ will only get worse.
They thought somehow that Bu$hCo would be more tough against ‘crime’ — build stronger support systems via ‘faith-based’ programs. They thought that ‘faith based’ systems would be STRONGER and more effective than a bureaucracy. Bu$hCo sure screwed that chance Big Time.
They don’t live in the south, but they listen to plenty of country music. They have a lot of ‘blue collar attitudes’ and all the resentments that go along with feeling disrespected.
All of these issues, BTW, are far, far too complex for our sound-bite driven, corporate media to address. And allowing that corporate structure lets an opportunistic parasite like Bu$hCo play by rules that no sane democracy would countenance.
Sound bite politics is a formula for Truthiness: all appearance; no substance.
Sound bites also lend themselves to manipulating regionalism — politics becomes more about Stagecraft and Event Management — camera angles against a (haystack, aircraft plant, soybean field, you-name-it).
And the real, underlying problems can’t possibly be addressed by that sort of media coverage, nor the version of politics that it enables. Which is fundamentally manipulative, fragmented, and parasitic, rather than engaged and holistic.
Psst. There’s a bear at my back door. Really. He is the yearling with the golden fur on his back. We call him Goldilocks. He doesn’t like our trash – no pizza boxes or junk food – but he loves our chicken eggs. I love this – 5 minutes away from starbucks, a bear in my yard is a regular thing. How good is life?
I think that the polls would be much different if the average American knew what we do. Just think — and I have polled average Americans — most have no idea what is really going on. They think if they watch TV news once a day they know what is going on. Can you imagine?
The fraud of Katherine Harris notwithstanding, I tried to shout from the mountaintops that the problem with the 2000 election was that Gore couldn’t win West Virginia, in the same election where Byrd got 80%. In other words, I agree with you completely.
IMO, bluegrass isn’t country music. Bluegrass is folk music, directly traceable to the British Isles music brought to the new world (Appalachia, in particular) by Scots-Irish settlers. Country music is descended, in part, from Bluegrass, but it is a distinct music form. For someone to say they like country music, particularly bluegrass sounds to my ear like someone saying they like rock ‘n roll, particularly folk music (or particularly the blues, or whatever your favorite antecedent of rock is).
BTW, I like bluegrass a lot. Country, on the other hand, pretty much sucks. :)
She said “sure did try to love you honey
but I can’t say here any more
we lost our home, and Haliburton took our money
your politics just sent me out the door
I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck
my papa said son it’s time to be a man
but I was just another damn republican
She said saying “bring it on” don’t make you tough
and cheering bombs on the TV don’t mean you’re strong
She said waving the flag just wasn’t good enough
and the war in Iraq was evil and wrong
I was a good old boy that wouldn’t grow up
Thought I was a rebel ’cause I bought a big truck
kept on cheering those rich guys on Fox
and now cousin Billy came home in a box
She said Jesus told us to take care of the poor
and Preachers with silk suits don’t know wrong from right
She said America don’t need a king any more
so stop praying to the President every night
I’m sitting in the honkey tonk feeling like a fool
shoulda learned my lesson during Vietnam
in America the beautiful we got a rule
a working man’s a sucker if he’s republican
That’s West (BY GOD) Virginia. Most of us left because there were no jobs.
So why not more about the Phillipi races and how West (By GOD) Virginia ran Robert E Lee and his Aristocrats out of the state for the duration of the Civil War. What about the WV answer to racism? Ex Slaves married into mountain families as my own family did. What about the mine wars? Matewan? Even modern day “Dump your coal on the entrance ramp” activism? We have a gas war, every bit as important as the mine wars.
Why can’t Democrats run as the party of Mine safety against the NY mine owners? This is the time to go negative on Republicans in a big way and make them pay for all the bad they have inflicted on WV and elsewhere in the last decade. The list is long and difficult to refute. Air it out. Tora Tora Tora!!
Hey, Christy, I grew up in Virginia and when I was a boy scout we’d go spelunking in W. VA. It was my favorite trip. Like the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA, much of W. VA is gorgeous. And having lived in almost every area of the U.S (7 states so far, I’m not counting mere visits), I really dislike regional stereotypes from people that have never been to the place they’re deriding.
Historically, W. VA has been the most Democratic-voting state in the nation in terms of presidential elections. It’s really sad that Gore could not win W. VA or his home state of Tennessee.
I wonder, though, if for W. VA a lot of the issue is the decline of unions and union power, since traditionally, it’s been one of the strong union states.
An additional problem is that constituencies that had been economically progressive in the past are voting along socially conservative lines. Until the Democratic party cracks that one, I’m not sure things are going to change. But it’s one reason I’m in favor of Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy.
And Allison Krauss and Union Station are amazing.
Almost Heaven..
I was born and lived for a few years in (almost Heaven) and the poor folk there thought of FDR as a god and Jesus was a distant second.
George W Bush has brought out the very worst in what had been a backward but sane population.
Someday I pray W Va will start moving foward again in the traditional progressive way it had been moving. John Denver had it right, there was plenty of room for improvement but it is almost Heaven.
I applaud your post, as I grew up in the mountains of NC, which was back then, similar to your part of WV. I too love real bluegrass, and your thoughts dredged up so many fond memories (except for the Ramp Festival!) On Saturday summer evenings, there was a bluegrss concert in the town square that EVERYONE attended. It was at those gatherings that my father, who was a US Marshall, began to become heavily involved in politics,not only because he was a fierce defender of justice and equality, but also because he was so beloved by EVERYONE he met! He became the local Democratic leader upon his retirement, and then after helping Jim Hunt become Govenor, was appointed to a newly-created (for him!) position of Mr. Hunt’s Western NC Representative. The reason I’m writing all of this is because I feel very strongly that it is at these gatherings where ideas and opinions are formed. My father did nothing except attend these functions, and spoke to everyone, no matter what their views were. This is the real ‘grassroots’ of a movement. This is where we can make the most difference! Any ideas??? How about finding a great band who believes in our message, and then supporting them, or having a ‘festival’ of sorts?
Oops…meant to type Governor (need more coffee!)
Tug @ 195 — John Gaventa has done some amazing work while with the Highlander Center in Haymarket TN. He helped organize average folks to go through courthouse records across Appalachia to track down who actually owned the Cumberland Mountains. Turns — after burrowing down through many shell corporations in many different counties — it was the Lord Mayor of London.
Gaventa gave the keynote speech at the first “Who Owns America?” Conference. One book I’ve found useful is “Communities in Economic Crisis: Appalachia and the South.”
(The Highlander Center “trained” — worked with — John Lewis and Rosa PArks.)
The Highlander Center
My Mom’s side of the family is from East Tennessee.
As I understand it, all Al Gore had to do to carry BOTH West Virginia and Tennessee — was to come out for the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.
For a variety of reasons, this was a monumental miscalculation.
Couching a vocal and determined pro-2nd Amendment position as one of 10 inviolable components of the Bill of Rights would have been a strong point of differentiation.
Specifically because it’s a real and coherent adherence to a conservative Constitutional approach and the American social contract. Compare that to Bush’s legal tactics in relation to the rule of law. Bush’s attitude that ANY RHETORICAL PLOY is available or justified in the AMerican legal system is utterly bankrupt — AND IT IS THE SAME attitude that encourages lawyers to disingenuously misread a comma in the Second Amendment, irresponsibly — and ineffectively — attempting to interpret gun rights out of existence.
I was raised in a liberal, religious, gun-hating, pacifist, feminist household during the Vietnam War. Even so, I can stay awake during history class. I can read.
Truth is, anyone –even any lawyer, even any liberal — can read the plain truth. It’s there in black and white. The handwriting is on the historical wall — and on the cultural wall.
Those are inalienable rights.
The idea that anything some judge says goes, or that the Executive branch is empowered to do anything it can get away with, is utterly without merit. It’s more than half the problem we face today.
Think about it: Gore stands up for the Second Amendment — and wins the election. NO BUSH. Of course, he wouldn’t be the man he is today, so THAT would be a BIG loss.
Inaline
Hmmm… JFK, RFK, and FDR were wealthy, educated, east coast elites. They came from money & privilege, prepped, went to Ivies, and didn’t really have to work to support themselves. And yet they connected with the average Joe.
Kerry and Gore tried to remake themselves into approximations of the Marlboro versions of the regular guy, rather than be proud of who they are and call the little guy from Andover, Yale and Harvard on his phony remake as a Texas rancher (indeed!). They left themselves vulnerable to the pandering tag – neither seemed comfortable in his own skin vs those like McCain, Edwards, President Bubba, Barack Obama. If you are comforable in your own skin, if someone spits on you, you don’t lose you ability to respond authentically – ignore, spit back, give ‘em hug, bring in a mariachi band to stand across the street and make a party, whatever.
Dem politicians need to realize that being different does not have to be a liability. We should be able to bridge what divides us as a country, because the truth is, on a daily basis, in our everyday lives, we all do. And every citizen who is a woman, non-white, not straight, not rich, not educated, not Christian has already figured out how to vote for someone not like us for President.