Comments on: FDL Late Nite: Some Inconvenient Truths http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:35:47 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Chris http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-128222 Chris Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:45:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-128222 <p>We just saw this fantastic Documentary. I’d like to say just one thing: could we please refer to it not as a “film” or “movie” but as a “Documentary” because it’s about us, our lives, our legacy to the next generations, our moment of failure as humanity, or our rise to human in the best sense of the word. It’s a documentary on our most fragile state as a part of this, our universe.</p> We just saw this fantastic Documentary. I’d like to say just one thing: could we please refer to it not as a “film” or “movie” but as a “Documentary” because it’s about us, our lives, our legacy to the next generations, our moment of failure as humanity, or our rise to human in the best sense of the word. It’s a documentary on our most fragile state as a part of this, our universe.

]]> By: tt http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122622 tt Mon, 29 May 2006 04:55:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122622 <p>Dave,</p> <p>Follow along with me here.</p> <p>A ton is the equivalent of 2,000 lbs.</p> <p>A metric ton, which is a little larger, is the equivalent of 2,204.6226 lbs.</p> <p>A teragram is the equivalent of 1 megatonne, or one million metric tons.</p> <p>This means that a teragram is the equivalent of 2,204,622,600 lbs. (1,000,000 x 2,204.6226) </p> <p>If my math is right, that’s 2.2 trillion pounds. For just one teragram.</p> <p>According to the EPA, total U.S. greenhouse gas emmissions for 2004 were 7,074.4 teragrams of carbon dioxide equivalents. That’s 2.2 trillions pounds, multiplied by 7 thousand and change. That’s what we dumped into our skies back in 2004. A gazillion pounds of greenhouse gas forming crap. And you don’t think that has an effect on the atmosphere?</p> Dave,

Follow along with me here.

A ton is the equivalent of 2,000 lbs.

A metric ton, which is a little larger, is the equivalent of 2,204.6226 lbs.

A teragram is the equivalent of 1 megatonne, or one million metric tons.

This means that a teragram is the equivalent of 2,204,622,600 lbs. (1,000,000 x 2,204.6226)

If my math is right, that’s 2.2 trillion pounds. For just one teragram.

According to the EPA, total U.S. greenhouse gas emmissions for 2004 were 7,074.4 teragrams of carbon dioxide equivalents. That’s 2.2 trillions pounds, multiplied by 7 thousand and change. That’s what we dumped into our skies back in 2004. A gazillion pounds of greenhouse gas forming crap. And you don’t think that has an effect on the atmosphere?

]]> By: susan http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122507 susan Mon, 29 May 2006 02:31:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122507 <p>dave</p> <p>who the fuck are you?</p> dave

who the fuck are you?

]]> By: dave http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122244 dave Sun, 28 May 2006 21:18:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122244 <p>I like Gore and think he is a principled individual. That said, I am at loss to understand the support for “global warming” as a valid idea. I can understand that the nuclear power plant industry on its last legs needs to desperately convince people that despite the tragic accidents in their industry, nuclear power is the way to go. But outside of that special interest, it amazes me that people who think they “think” can so blindly buy into an idea that has no scientific basis or perhaps the same basis as Chicken Little’s “the sky is falling.”</p> <p>We live on a dynamic planet that evolved from dust into what we call earth. It is a system that is partial understood by science. Science tells us that as a part of astrophysics — the earth goes through periods of ice ages and periods without substantial ice. The last three million years has seen this progression with clock like accuracy. Has all of this science somehow changed over night? If so, I haven’t read that the planet’s nolonger orbits the sun as it used to. For it is in the orbiting of the sun that the elastic nature of the orbit switches from nearly circular to oval so that at times we are close to the sun — meelting ice ages — and far away from the sun freezing whole sections of continents. </p> <p>Has the wobble in the earth’s spinning that also afects climate change also stopped? Why hasn’t this been reported. Instead of science dealing with established “truths” as solid as gravity and the sun being the center of our solar system, we are bombarded by hysterical fears that are presented without any basis.</p> <p>I gather there are a lot of people who need to feel that they live in an old testament kind of world — where God created order and handed the planet over to us for management. Volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, the movement of the continents, etc. are somehow our responsibility and under our control. Gosh, time to wake up and discover the earth only looks flat. We live on a planet who climate changes all of the time and is rather indifferent to our absurb egos that we are causing it. In fact, many scientists believe it was the droughts about five million years ago that cause our form of primate to evolve. Seem that in unstable periods, dramatic specie changes occur. Perhaps that is one reason that more than 95% of the species on this planet are not endangered - they are dead and gone. Life goes on, but it adapts and changes.</p> <p>So while the media is peddling global warming for the benefit of some special interest, take some time to look into the history of climate change on the planet and ask why that subject isn’t being addressed.</p> I like Gore and think he is a principled individual. That said, I am at loss to understand the support for “global warming” as a valid idea. I can understand that the nuclear power plant industry on its last legs needs to desperately convince people that despite the tragic accidents in their industry, nuclear power is the way to go. But outside of that special interest, it amazes me that people who think they “think” can so blindly buy into an idea that has no scientific basis or perhaps the same basis as Chicken Little’s “the sky is falling.”

We live on a dynamic planet that evolved from dust into what we call earth. It is a system that is partial understood by science. Science tells us that as a part of astrophysics — the earth goes through periods of ice ages and periods without substantial ice. The last three million years has seen this progression with clock like accuracy. Has all of this science somehow changed over night? If so, I haven’t read that the planet’s nolonger orbits the sun as it used to. For it is in the orbiting of the sun that the elastic nature of the orbit switches from nearly circular to oval so that at times we are close to the sun — meelting ice ages — and far away from the sun freezing whole sections of continents.

Has the wobble in the earth’s spinning that also afects climate change also stopped? Why hasn’t this been reported. Instead of science dealing with established “truths” as solid as gravity and the sun being the center of our solar system, we are bombarded by hysterical fears that are presented without any basis.

I gather there are a lot of people who need to feel that they live in an old testament kind of world — where God created order and handed the planet over to us for management. Volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, the movement of the continents, etc. are somehow our responsibility and under our control. Gosh, time to wake up and discover the earth only looks flat. We live on a planet who climate changes all of the time and is rather indifferent to our absurb egos that we are causing it. In fact, many scientists believe it was the droughts about five million years ago that cause our form of primate to evolve. Seem that in unstable periods, dramatic specie changes occur. Perhaps that is one reason that more than 95% of the species on this planet are not endangered – they are dead and gone. Life goes on, but it adapts and changes.

So while the media is peddling global warming for the benefit of some special interest, take some time to look into the history of climate change on the planet and ask why that subject isn’t being addressed.

]]> By: tt http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122144 tt Sun, 28 May 2006 19:03:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122144 <p>A couple thoughts. As much as folks like to argue about social justice, Roe v. Wade, and any number of other hot button issues, global warming and our coming energy shortages are going to change the world we live in far more than anything else on the horizon. (Assuming we can continue to avoid nuclear war.) What do you think is going to happen to the good old US of A when we’re alternating between drought and catastrophic storms, and when the price of gasoline, diesel fuel, home heating oil, propane and natural gas all go through the roof? And we depend on oil not just for energy, but for plastics and fertilizers. Does anyone think that America’s breadbasket will be able to feed the world through both drought and energy shortages? We’ll be lucky if we can feed ourselves. Better buckle your seatbelts. We’re about to encounter some serious turbulence. And pray that someone like Gore, with a grasp of complex issues and an understanding of the sacrifices we’re all going to have to make, is the next President.</p> <p>Required reading - Thom Hartmann’s The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, and Ronald Wright’s A Short History of Progress.</p> A couple thoughts. As much as folks like to argue about social justice, Roe v. Wade, and any number of other hot button issues, global warming and our coming energy shortages are going to change the world we live in far more than anything else on the horizon. (Assuming we can continue to avoid nuclear war.) What do you think is going to happen to the good old US of A when we’re alternating between drought and catastrophic storms, and when the price of gasoline, diesel fuel, home heating oil, propane and natural gas all go through the roof? And we depend on oil not just for energy, but for plastics and fertilizers. Does anyone think that America’s breadbasket will be able to feed the world through both drought and energy shortages? We’ll be lucky if we can feed ourselves. Better buckle your seatbelts. We’re about to encounter some serious turbulence. And pray that someone like Gore, with a grasp of complex issues and an understanding of the sacrifices we’re all going to have to make, is the next President.

Required reading – Thom Hartmann’s The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, and Ronald Wright’s A Short History of Progress.

]]> By: Sharon http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122015 Sharon Sun, 28 May 2006 16:31:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-122015 <p>Salon, the leftleaning internet mag had this to say about Al Gore’s movie.<br /> <a href="http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2006/05/24/gore/">http://www.salon.com/ent/movie.....5/24/gore/</a><br /> The comments are more interesting than the supposedly rave review.</p> Salon, the leftleaning internet mag had this to say about Al Gore’s movie.
http://www.salon.com/ent/movie…..5/24/gore/
The comments are more interesting than the supposedly rave review.

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121964 ccmask Sun, 28 May 2006 15:22:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121964 <p>Do these journalists ever go to restaurants? Maybe they can stop serving them or make their dinner not a very pleasant experience?</p> Do these journalists ever go to restaurants? Maybe they can stop serving them or make their dinner not a very pleasant experience?

]]> By: Davis X. Machina http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121950 Davis X. Machina Sun, 28 May 2006 15:07:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121950 <p><i>I don’t know that I see God’s hand in this, but it does make for a good revenge/justice story %u2014 How’s “The Gore of Monte Christo” sound?</i></p> <p>In a country in love with pro wrestling, the story line is more important than the characters…</p> I don’t know that I see God’s hand in this, but it does make for a good revenge/justice story %u2014 How’s “The Gore of Monte Christo” sound?

In a country in love with pro wrestling, the story line is more important than the characters…

]]> By: sofistic http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121942 sofistic Sun, 28 May 2006 14:54:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121942 <p>Pach at 112<br /> Wow, Pach, did you look at the graph when you select for the last 365 days? The trend looks like it’s going exponential.<br /> -sofistic</p> Pach at 112
Wow, Pach, did you look at the graph when you select for the last 365 days? The trend looks like it’s going exponential.
-sofistic

]]> By: lotuslander http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121938 lotuslander Sun, 28 May 2006 14:49:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/27/fdl-late-nite-some-inconvenient-truths/#comment-121938 <p>Morning, firepups. </p> <p>Do any of y’all follow Salam Adil’s Asterism blog? His 5/26 weekly roundup of “the Iraqi Blogodrome” is, as always, stunning, hilarious, and appalling: e.g., the latest fatwa in one B’dad neighborhood bans SALAD (cucumbers are male, tomatoes female, and mixing ‘em leads to the Devil). </p> <p>God help them and us.</p> <p><a href="http://asterism.blogspot.com">http://asterism.blogspot.com</a></p> Morning, firepups.

Do any of y’all follow Salam Adil’s Asterism blog? His 5/26 weekly roundup of “the Iraqi Blogodrome” is, as always, stunning, hilarious, and appalling: e.g., the latest fatwa in one B’dad neighborhood bans SALAD (cucumbers are male, tomatoes female, and mixing ‘em leads to the Devil).

God help them and us.

http://asterism.blogspot.com

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