
One of the favored ways in which the relentless and well-funded anti-choice machine is making its way into government is the "choose life" license plate scam. Part of the funds from selling the plates go to the state, but a portion also goes to support "pregnancy centers that do not offer abortion as an alternative."
The battle seems headed for the Supreme Court, particularly since states like Tennessee — which allow sales of the plates — won’t allow pro-choice groups the same options. You expect this kind of stuff in a place like Tennessee, but when these anti-choice groups start trying to make a beach head in blue states like Connecticut using the same tactics it’s quite a different matter.
So what happened when the Connecticut state DMV said they were reviewing the right of an out-of-state group to sell such license plates in Connecticut? The group’s president, Elizabeth Rex of Yonkers, New York, produced her letters of support, incuding one from…wait for it…Joe Lieberman.
Planned Parenthood has been vocal in their denunciation of this particular scam, as they were when Massachusetts began to consider the license plates.
From the Boston Globe:
”Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts believes that state government should not be sanctioning political messages on license plates," Dianne Luby, the group’s president and chief executive, said in a written statement. ”Specialty plates are an important source of revenue for causes like cancer research and environmental protection. They shouldn’t be used for political slogans."
Massachusetts has 12 special license plates that support causes from environmental protection to curing cancer to the families of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None supports political or religious groups.
So Rape Gurney Joe thinks that rape victims should be wiling to take a "short ride" to find emergency contraception, he voted for cloture on the Dobson-loving Samuel Alito, and he believes that it’s okay for the state’s license plate to advertise anti-choice slogans and support "pregnancy centers that do not offer abortion as an alternative," a lynch pin in the right-wing war to deny women choice.
Writing in AlterNet, Amanda Marcotte peeled back the dirty covers on the anti-choice "pregnancy center" scam:
According to a recent Planned Parenthood email, a 17-year-old girl mistakenly walked into a crisis pregnancy center thinking it was Planned Parenthood, which was next door. "The group took down the girl’s confidential personal information and told her to come back for her appointment, which they said would be in their ‘other office’ (the real Planned Parenthood office nearby).
"When she showed up for her nonexistent appointment, she was met by the police, who had been erroneously tipped that a minor was being forced to abort. The crisis pregnancy center staff followed up this harassment by staking out the girl’s house, phoning her father at work, and even talking to her classmates about her pregnancy, urging them to harass her.
Sarah Wheat of NARAL-TX wrote an expose of these overtly political, fraudulent and deceptive centers here.
Yet Joe Lieberman continues to run around and claim that he has a positive rating on his NARAL scorecard (this despite the fact that both NARAL-CT head Carolyn Treis and PP-CT head Susan Yelon have both come out for Ned Lamont).
Can anyone explain to me why the national arms of NARAL and Planned Parenthood, which control Senate endorsements, haven’t come out and called bullshit on Lieberman’s phony pro-choice claims? Why don’t they support a real pro-choice candidate, Ned Lamont? As Pach said in his fine post on Lieberman’s phony GLTB rights bona fides (where Ned Lamont speaks out about his commitment to privacy rights), the people on the ground in the community seem to get it. On a national level, gorging on cocktail weenies with incumbents seems to trump any commitment to the actual cause, even as Rape Gurney Joe stands on the beach in Connecticut and welcomes the anti-choice forces onto the shores with open arms.
The Boston Globe article indicates that these license plates generate about $5 milion annually in revenues. If you’d like to directly counteract the damage this kind of money can do to choice in this country, you can give to Ned Lamont here.




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Fitz!
fitz? kin it be i am furst?
Buddy Don! Always good to see you.
(If you’ve never checked out Buddy Don’s website, Wandering Hillbilly, it’s one of my faves.)
Fitz and buh-bye, Gurney Boy
Margaret Sanger!
There’s a really sick joke in here somewhere about driving around in a car with these plates looking for a hospital that will treat rape victims appropriately…
dr. bloor 6 — yeah it’s definitely there somewhere. Though we won’t expect Joe will be at the wheel.
somebody tell me one good reason the dnc doesn’t throw this judas sheep out of the friggin party.
one good reason
this idiot hurts the party, he makes believe he is a democrat with maveric principles when he is nothing but a right wing nut repulelican dressed in sheeps clothing
we need him out of this party, and it’s better to have a republican who won’t get democratic air time then it is to have an idiot telling people he’s a republican and letting these re pukes use this idiot as some kind of example
I say cut the strings and leave him to dry with the rest of the repukelicans
Really, there is no fucking excuse for Lieberman. I am budgeting steady modest $ donations to Ned. This race is Everything in a nutshell.
Oh, and I propose a competing specialty plate that says “Eat Babies.”
OT – sorry if this has been posted before – thinkprogress:
Cheney’s secrecy violates an executive order.
The Office of the Vice President failed to report statistics regarding Cheney’s classification and declassification activity in 2005, defying an executive order requirement that he do so. The Office of the Vice President has declined to report such data since
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrec….._repo.html
*ilson, we’re all Margaret Sanger, all over again.
somebody tell me one good reason the dnc doesn’t throw this judas sheep out of the friggin party.
one good reason
How many Dems voted for the Iraqi invasion? Or the bankruptcy bill? Or the Patriot Act? Or John Roberts and Sam Alito and Michael Hayden?
Kicking faithless Dems out of the party is not a comfortable precedent for them to set.
Oh, I’m sorry, you asked for a *good* reason.
“Oh that shark, babe…”
2phunny.
“Eat babies” is just the thing.
Yes, eating babies is a fine idea.
Just as long as I don’t have to drive too far.
Babies: They’re not just for Breakfast.
Sharkbabe,
what about an “every sperm is sacred” plate?
well, looks like the earlier info about the Dixie Chicks being on Larry King is wrongo– American Idolatry continues there…
Hey Jane:
Do we know of any polling in advance of the Lamont-Lieberman primary?
I would love to make it to Yearly Kos but cannot.
Great props in the New Republic(an) regarding the netroots drowning out Mike McCurry on the net neutrality issue. We are being heard.
AirportCat ,
did you know that if a sperm gets wasted, god gets quite irate?
as far as the war, I can at least make excuses, they voted for giving the president authority “as a last resort”
so that one they get a pass, they actually believed the president wouldn’t kill our children for the propose of putting money in the pocket of him and his pals
as far as the patriot act, I understand the first yes vote also, they didn’t have time to read or have the language translated and they certainly couldn’t have known how the president would abuse the language
by the way, we REALLY have to start tapping into the similarity of the patriot act of bush to the “enabling act” from Hitler, the mans families have too many ties and this president is using too many tactics of that era for this to be a coincidence
even if it is a mere coincidence, it would be a powerful marketing strategy to get this administration to face some real questions
as far as Roberts and alito, that is corporate financing of their elation campaigns speaking for them
that’s another thing we have to market in the next election, taking big money out of law making influence
we would win on those two points alone
Larry King: “Chicks Nixed.”
Well, that surely makes Feingold stand out, eh?
I am convinced Lieberman is a right-winger. If he supported a majority opinion on women’s choice, it would be one thing, but he’s doesn’t. He supports these religious activist types who don’t reflect popular opinion
75% Catholics in CT (Quinnipiac poll) support a law requiring Catholic hospitals to dispense the meds/ day after pill for rape victims. And yet Lieberman sides with the activists that are howling about that law.
I feel like folks in CT have been fooled for too long.
Again, he seems to be doing the same thing with the license plates.
He seems to like these underhanded right-wing types. Like he was in a PAX tv infommercial with Jerry Falwell asking folks to save a jew for jesus. Can supply link upon request.
Me to me, I think you’re giving them too much credit. They simply caved on the war and the Patriot Act because they were afraid of being on the wrong side of them and having it used against them. I don’t think they even *thought* about what Bush would do with them.
However, they *did* have extenuating circumstances in the sense that Bush had a pretty high approval rating at the time, so opposing him was considerably riskier. They have no such excuse for Alito and Hayden.
moi,
I would follow up on that but I’m more than a little afraid of where it would go …
back in the day, my friends and I would refer to a particularly useless or obnoxious person as a “waste of protoplasm” … have to say, Lieberboy certainly qualifies
ps I give them no, absolutely, no absolution for any of those votes. If I could see the problem, surely our elected Dems could bother to find out.
ps I give them no, absolutely, no absolution for any of those votes. If I could see the problem, surely our elected Dems could bother to find out.
Yeah, I kinda think that any Dem who didn’t think Bush wasn’t going to invade is too gullible to hold elective office.
The evilness at Joe Lieberman’s core is even more insidious than I realized. What the hell have the voters of Connecticut been thinking?
Me to me, I think you’re giving them too much credit. They simply caved on the war and the Patriot Act because they were afraid of being on the wrong side of them and having it used against them. I don’t think they even *thought* about what Bush would do with them.
I know I knew the president was making up his info, and I know I knew the information was exagerated, I knew the there were no “vans of mass destruction”, and I knew there were no “aluminum tubes” of mass destruction, and I knew there was no “balsa wood drone” of mass destrcution.
that last one was the richest, it was a line of site prop plane just like you give your nephew, in such disrepair it was held together with duct tape
but I give them a pass anyway, I am after all smarter then they are, as most of the posters at firedoglake are
now, I really thing we need to start asking the questions that compare this presidents course of action to those of people pst
we really have to look to the stark similarities of the patriot act and the enabling act
here’s a starter
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm
and while the similarities might be coincidental, this president has too many “coincidental” ties to that era for us to let him have a pass on this issue, which will get dialogue started on the issue at large;
that this government is being turned into something our forefathers risked their lives to prevent
I think someone should design and sell “Choose Lamont” license plates in Connecticut.
OT In defense of English as a national language Part IV
There are some who think I have a hidden agenda or ulterior motive here in defending English as the new national lingua franca and that, ipso facto, I must lack gravitas or be some kind of ignoramus or retrograde linguistic agitator, etc. I find this ad hoc if not ad hominem. While I agree that the onus is on me to present something more than a pro forma assertion that English is the nec plus ultra of languages and the sine qua non of a cohesive American society, do not expect a mea culpa from me.
First, a few caveats: caveat lector (applicable here), caveat emptor (always a good idea), and cave canem (ditto). That said, English is the de facto national language of our country. Its importance is sui generis. I think we can all agree on this although de gustibus non disputandum. De jure recognition of English would, mirabile dictu, change nothing. It would simply wrap our language in the flag and amor patriae. Some say it would be racist. O tempora! O mores! It is the vox populi. It is the modus operandi that makes our modus vivendi possible. It is not a quid pro quo. OK, well maybe it is but that’s not my point. It’s not a casus belli. It’s more sic semper tyrannis. Remember we live not in a pro bono society but a cui bono one.
I could go on ad nauseam but I think my ignotum per ignotius argument speaks for itself. English is our national language because it is our national language and can alone express what so many other languages cannot. QED.
In case some of you aren’t aware, the “Crisis Pregnancy Centers’ almost always set up shop next door to or on the same block as legitimate PP or other womens’ clinics, all the better to fool the already scared and not very alert women seeking help.
The latest of the ploys is the wingers bankrolling ultrasound equipment so that the women coming in see the pictures of their little helpless “babies” which convinces them not to terminate. It is things like these license plates that help raise money for the ultrasound machines.
My disdain for Joementum grows by the day.
Go NED!
Beautifully done, Hugh!
Carpe Diem!
Somewhat on topic, I think…
A couple of threads back, Jane made the following comment in the EPU’d Zone:
“At the time the PP people were focused on a big celebrity fundraiser in Boston; they all arrived in limos, had to give tickets away for lack of interest and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.”
That did it for me: No more of my money to Planned Parenthood. I think they do some good things, but my $20 would not begin to pay for one limo. I think it could be put to better use elsewhere.
get out your lighters for Joe’s next-one-down-the-road anthem
Foghat “Slow Ride”, slightly modified:
Slowride, take it easy
Slowride, ain’t it sleazy
Slowride, take it easy
Slowride, ain’t it sleazy
…
I’m in the mood
The rhythm method, right?
Move to the traffic
You can roll all night
Oooh, Slowride
Oooh, Slowride, take it easy
Slowride, take it easy
…
Slowride, easy
Slowride, sleazy
cogito, Hugh-go sum
Hugh, 31: Sic transit gloria Monday?
Being pro back yard abortion is not being ‘ pro-life’. It’s the opposite and we ought to be screaming that from the rooftops. Here the heck is your ‘ party of death!’
If peeps are sending panties through the post to the press then how about wire coat hangers to coffin Joe and his confrere’s.
Also lets get the consumer affairs and truth in advertizing officials onto these liars and frauds. These CON artists are taking money under false pretences – thats a crime anywhere.
Enough is enough.
Hugh at 6:19 pm –
Except that in the blue collar workforce, bi-lingual supervisors (English & Spanish) are in greater demand and earn more money than those that only speak English.
punaise 36
Good one. If we tried, we could probably come up with a lot of “road” songs for “short ride” Joe.
Not the least of which, goes something like:
Hit the road Joe
And don’cha come back
No mo, no mo, no mo, no mo
orangejumpsuit
I think she’s going Tuesday.
me to me #8, the dems won’t get rid of Lieberman because the dems are clueless fucking wimps. Look at how Lieberman got in the Senate: the Republicans pulled the plug on Lowell Weicker. They were hardass enough to give up a Senate seat to stop Weicker from fucking with them, at a time when they were the minority party like the dems are now. And they got the majority by continuing to be hardass.
Now what’s going to happen with Lieberman. We hope Lamont wins the primary but realistically, Lieberman is still probably the favorite. And what’s going to happen when Lieberman is renominated? The dems will NOT pull the plug on him the way the GOP did to Weicker. They will support him like the gutless piss-shits that they are, he will be reelected, and they will run a piss-shit campaign against McCain (or whoever) and lose the WH again in 2008. They will lose and lose and lose until they understand that like the GOP does, that to fight a winning war you have to accept casualties on your own side.
Lieberman must go, whether he is renominated or not, come what may.
I can’t get the link from “Joe Lieberman” to work at the end of the 3rd paragraph. Can you fix it?
I guess there’s nothing wrong with people paying to express their political views on license plates- if that’s what this thing is about- but you ought to have ALL views available–”Right to chose” would of course be an option- but there should be MORE- Gay Marriage Now–IMPEACH BUSH- Wickens for Christ- you know- the whole spectrum- then they could make some
REAL money.
I know that my current state of residence (Louisiana, and not for much longer I hope) has a “Choose Life” license plate, but out of curiosity I decided to see what else they offered. The list is quite lengthy and includes “In God We Trust”, “Wild Turkey Federation” (is this a drinking society??), “Life Center Full Gospel”, “Knights of Columbus”, “Knights of the White Camelia” (OK, I made that one up), “Knights Ladies of Peter Claver”, “Sons of Confederate Veterans”, and five High Schools. Interstingly enough, the fee for me to convert my ordinary license plate to a “Choose Life” plate is $69, I swear, I am not making that one up!
neuro 40
Here’s a slightly extended version:
Hit the road, Joe
And don’cha come back
No mo, no mo, no mo, no mo
Hit the road, Joe
You “Choose Life” license plate ho
I would mind the “Choose Life” license plates a lot less if Karl Rove was personally handcrafting them…
Hugh! Et com spirit 2-2-0!!
Is Lieberman a pro lifer? I didn’t think so. Surely Gore wouldn’t have put a pro-lifer on the ticket- would he?
“$69 is Mighty Fine” might be a good alternative plate, AirportCat… just sayin’. Tres ridiculous!
I like “Chose death- vote Republican”
I think a “Choose Lamont” licence plate in Connecticut needs to happen. If it gets rejected, we can see what the courts have to say about that. “Choose life” is clearly a political slogan.
I like “Chose death- vote Republican”
That’s much catchier than my “It votes Republican or it gets the hose again” idea.
As if the whole license plate crap isn’t offensive enough? Fuck Joe the worthless piece of shit. MAN i really hate this guy.
Had a boss once who promoted “Nuke a Gay Whale for Christ” license plates- didn’t ever catch on though.
As if the whole license plate crap isn’t offensive enough? Fuck Joe the worthless piece of shit. MAN i really hate this guy.
Hopefully Lamont will have enough ad money to throw Joe’s vilest votes and decisions right back in his face.
Good thread. I have to admit it, if I saw one of those plates I don’t think I would have ever thought through the financial consequences. I would have viewed it more like a bumpersticker and not thought a thing about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
Btwn the A & C link from BlankK below thread and Hugh’s continuing series on English as the National Language (will that be followed by a series on Grammar as the National Pastime and will Nike be making shoes appropriate for punctuation *g*) I hit the weekend in a halfway decent frame of mind.
How bout “Chose Blowjob” with a portion of the proceeds to go to the “Oral Sex Education Institute”?
I thought I couldn’t be more shocked by Holy Joe, but this takes the cake.
The link “Joe Lieberman” doesn’t work — is it a link to information about the letter of support from Lieberman? I’d really like to see this and start to spread the word.
How bout “Chose Blowjob” with a portion of the proceeds to go to the “Oral Sex Education Institute”?
I understand they have a fine HummBA program. They’ll also let you play “doctorate”.
me to me #20 and #29…. How right you are about the Enabling Act and the Patriot Act. I’ve seen the similarities and have tried to tell others, but they dismiss it as fanasty.
We are almost living under an illusion of Democracy without our constitution in tact. Until or unless everyone wakes up we will find ourselfs in the same boat as the German people did.
Everyone better start reading up on the rise to power of Hitler, if that doesn’t open their eyes than nothing will and we will be doomed to worst than what happened to Germany when the world stood against Hitler.
Not to scare anyone, but think Nuclear War and what will be left of our country.
Hugh, I bow down to your excellence! Amazing.
I agree, if we could see it…no check that, feel it before 04, then how is it that these people keep going back looking for different results. I have become unshockable when it comes to the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress; when something unprecedented and obviously illegal and someone tells me about it with amazement, I tend to ask them whether they bothered to vote in 04. I can use my pretty limited energy to change things by working on them here but faced with apathy, I don’t get into passionate discussions anymore. I point them in the right direction and I never say “I told you so”. What is really the hardest for me is that so many people just don’t want to know the details, they’re happier soaking up the current scandal for a day or so, chatter about it saying,”they should do this, or they should do that” then they just change thier mental channel and it’s gone. It is something I am just incapable of understanding.
Having pain and fatigue has been a gift in a way because ithas forced me to find the stillpoint of my desire and function on this planet. Working in the world of death and dying constantly reminds me that today is the only day I have, so it has to be about what I love and it has to manifest what I am to myself. If I don’t work for justice and for the future for my children, if I don’t give myself that gift, I have lost that chance forever. My contribution does not have to be grand, a few dollars, a call, a note; it sometimes isn’t even that tangible, but it has to be mine and it has to be done with intention.
Time for republican lite Joe to take his liberal compassion to the private sector. I am sure we will all be better for it.
Republican, the last choice.
I wish people would just go back to bumper stickers to express their political opinions or various group affiliations. I’m very uncomfortable with the state lending its imprimatur (Hugh, did I get that right?) to these things by putting them on vehicle license plates.
I’ve read a lot about the rise of Hitler. It all happened under the worst economic conditions imaginable- after just losing a war and being forced to pay unbearable reparations- with fascists and communists fighting in the streets- and everyone hungry.
We HAVE no such excuses.
the slight majority of Democrats in Congress voted against the War on Iraq. Almost every GOP member voted for it …
zennurse
Beautiful thoughts beautifully written.
Jane, do you have documentation that Lieberman “believes that it’s okay for the state’s license plate to advertise anti-choice slogans and support ‘pregnancy centers that do not offer abortion as an alternative,’ a lynch pin in the right-wing war to deny women choice”?
That seems like something that needs to become more widely known.
I would be interested to know whether any of the “Choose Life” license plate money that these various state governments are so generously raising for anti-choice groups is being used to lobby for anti-choice legislation or donated to political campaigns of anti-choice candidates, not just to fund anti-choice “pregnancy centers” …
Eli- Yeah and cut rate prices from the undergraduates.
I’ve read a lot about the rise of Hitler. It all happened under the worst economic conditions imaginable- after just losing a war and being forced to pay unbearable reparations- with fascists and communists fighting in the streets- and everyone hungry.
We HAVE no such excuses.
See, here’s the thing, and why we’re peculiarly vulnerable: Americans believe America is not just *a* democracy, but Democracy and Freedom Incarnate. Therefore it is simply *impossible* for America to ever become anything other than a Democracy.
America’s unquestioning belief in democracy is undermining its commitment and watchfulness to same.
Great post, zennurse.
Eli- Yeah and cut rate prices from the undergraduates.
Not that that in any way devalues the foreskin that they give you on graduation day.
that “Choose Life” license plate scam is a well-known national tactic of the so-called Right-to-Life movement. Lieberman and his staff know that — they have no excuse to have supported it with a letter.
OOhhhh, sorry, rereading my somber comment, it falls heavy into all that fun.
I got inspired by Eli at 24
What, I inspired somebody? Holy shit!
Yeah- and the other way of thinking about it is that Americans are terminally stupid, gullible, ignorant, and fantasy ridden.
(I promise it won’t happen again)
Yeah- and the other way of thinking about it is that Americans are terminally stupid, gullible, ignorant, and fantasy ridden.
Basically, yeah. The idea of America prevents them from seeing the reality of America.
OT
I am trying to decide whether to make the list of which senators voted for and which voted against Herr Hayden for CIA chief as much of a litmus test for Democrats in my own political equations as the list of how senators voted on Alito cloture(I find it simply appalling). Any thoughts?
You did good, Eli, made me feel good to write.
Thanks, Hugh, a little Buddhist politics.
I’m thinking of a lyric from Pearl Jam, don’t know which song, he sings, “Aint gonna be any middle anymore!” I yell that in my car, but I don’t know the rest yet.
Losin a war- growing deficits- ignorant kids who don’t know where China is on a map- We’d be in a lot of trouble if God weren’t on our side- glad he chose us!
Link fixed to “Joe Lieberman,” It’s from the Hartford Courant article:
DMV Commissioner Ralph J. Carpenter agreed to reconsider the small foundation’s eligibility for the plates – a status it applied for, and was granted, in 2003 – based on a letter Wednesday from Attorney General Richard Blumenthal and a Democratic state legislator charging that the group has “negligible, if any, `operations’ in Connecticut, much less a base of operations in this state.”
The charge surprised the nonprofit group’s founder and president, Elizabeth Rex of Yonkers, N.Y. She had heard nothing from Blumenthal about such questions – but she quickly produced a series of letters from Connecticut officials who have recognized her group’s efforts in recent years. The letters came from Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, Govs. John G. Rowland and M. Jodi Rell, the state’s child advocate – and Blumenthal himself.
[]
She said the group supports pregnancy centers that do not offer abortion as an alternative
You can read he rest of the article here.
neuro- if you stick with Feingold, you’re all set.
Can we remember if Kennedy voted for cloture? I don’t think he did.
I am trying to decide whether to make the list of which senators voted for and which voted against Herr Hayden for CIA chief as much of a litmus test for Democrats in my own political equations as the list of how senators voted on Alito cloture(I find it simply appalling). Any thoughts?
Works for me. I’m always interested every time Democrats vote for Republican legislation or nominees.
The other thing I would be interested in is Democratic Senators who voted against cloture on a bill or nominee, and then voted against the bill or nominee itself so they could claim they “opposed” it. That’s just about the pinnacle of phoniness and hypocrisy for me.
“online abortions- back to work in five minutes”.
Kennedy voted NAY.
Florida has the odious Choose Life license, I believe, Thanks Jeb.
(Thanks, zennurse)
’sup, y’all?
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/…..660731.htm
===Lamont Wins MoveOn’s Endorsement in Online Primary, Tops Lieberman 85 Pct. to 14 Pct.
(Comtex Business Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge)WASHINGTON, May 26, 2006 (U.S. Newswire via COMTEX) –Ned Lamont has won MoveOn’s endorsement for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate in the organization’s online Connecticut primary by a margin of 85 pct. to 14 pct.
The online primary was conducted during a 24-hour period beginning May 25th at 8 am. Lamont’s win, which was triggered when he passed two-thirds of the votes cast by MoveOn’s Connecticut members, will mean funding and volunteer support from the national organization’s members in his quest for the Democratic Party’s nomination in August.
“Lamont’s substantial vote margin indicates the dissatisfaction of many MoveOn members over Senator Lieberman’s continued support for the war in Iraq; his support for Big Oil’s energy bill; and overall fatigue with the senator,” said Eli Pariser, Executive Director of MoveOn.org Political Action. “Lamont’s message resonated with members who want a senator who will stand up to President Bush on key issues and represent the views of most people in Connecticut,” Pariser added.
Last Thursday, both campaigns agreed to submit a message from the candidate or a surrogate, as Senator Lieberman did during MoveOn’s 2004 online presidential primary. On Monday evening, however, Lieberman’s campaign informed MoveOn that the senator had changed his mind and would not communicate with MoveOn’s Connecticut membership.===more
Eli, I think you mean voted against nominee and for cloture, canceling out their against vote allowing cloture to occur and the nominee to go through.
Eli, I think you mean voted against nominee and for cloture, canceling out their against vote allowing cloture to occur and the nominee to go through.
Oops, yes. I guess I got caught between “against filibuster” and “for cloture”…
And one day God got tired of the yurapeans an the muslims- so he decided to make a little piece of paradise in the west- where the skies are not cloudy all say- so he put only GOOD people there- and he gave it the free enterprise system so that all the GOOD people would be rich and drive big cars- then he gave em big bombs so that they could kill all the BAD people- nad that’s how American came to be- yep- you can look it up!
Remember when PP and NARAL gave Joe that big thank-you tongue bath for voting “against” Alito?
Made me very suspicious about their dedication to their own damn cause.
rw, and that’s why I have 4 or 5 gods instead.
rw, and that’s why I have 4 or 5 gods instead.
I don’t have any. But tomorrow… *twice* as many!
(Yes, I stole that from Married With Children, but who’s gonna know?
Did I just say that out loud?)
Zenn—safety in numbers- course everyone’s got THREE!
we got the “Three Gods in One” program goin for us- kinda like a multi-vitamin—or an aerocar-boat. Handy!
Zenn%u2014safety in numbers- course everyone’s got THREE!
You must work for my company. You need one god for Test, one for Production, and one for Backup.
Thanks for the link, Jane. The article is informative. I think this is a very important issue.
I believe adoption is a worthy goal that society should support, but it needs to be carefully distinguished from political activity that opposes abortion rights.
I would like to know whether the State of Connecticut (or other states) imposes any limitations on the sponsoring groups as to how the money generated from the sale of these license plates can be used–in a way similar to how the IRS imposes restrictions on how groups with not-for-profit status spend their funds (a separate but analogous issue).
If the state is in any way, shape or form supporting anti-choice political action through this program, it is wrong and needs to be stopped. And Joe Lieberman needs to be held accountable for his role in it. He can’t have it both ways. Is he for us, or against us?
“Three Gods in One” ???
That’s that whole “Trinity” thing, ‘eh?
Never could get my head around that silly stuff.
Eli @97, Jane’s been all over that like a cheap Armani
Rapist Rights
“Three Gods in One” ???
That’s that whole “Trinity” thing, ‘eh?
G_D-40.
zennurse 86
Senator Kennedy voted “NO” on Alito cloture. He is one of the good guys.
neuro, honey, he’s against us. No question.
neurophius — I would argue that “choose life” in itself is a political slogan, and has nothing to do with the notion of supporting adoption.
Eli @97, Jane’s been all over that like a cheap Armani
I figured as much. I probably read about it here. Inexplicable. But then, so is rolling over for a right-wing ideologue with a very questionable ethics history, nominated by a president who is extremely unpopular outside his base…
Just saw the first negative ad by Lieberman camp against Lamont. Shows Lamont like one of those inflatable clowns you hit, but it keeps coming back.
Not verbatim, but the concept is that we don’t know the REAL Ned Lamont — the one who supported cutting education funding (in Greenwich — one of the richest zip code in the country), decrease money given to the public health department and favored having town employees kick in for their own health insurance.
That’s the REAL Ned Lamont — then we get a full screen Lieberman in front of flag — but he does not say he approves the message. Hmmmmm
Thanks on the Kennedy thing, I wanted to be sure.
He’s my Senator and for all the bluster, the man can make a speech and for all his damned money, he really does work for everyone, unlike some other senators I could name (Cough)Frist(Ahem)
scuse me—allergies.
scuse me%u2014allergies.
We seem to be allergic to the same things…
I see Kennedy roar for all of the poor and downtrodden in America all the time on the Senate floor– he is a good man.
Sometimes, I just wonder how he who has had so much grief in his life, keeps going. I think he is lifted up on angel’s wings and floated upon their tears.
zenn, you a treasure.
Hugh, you god.
BobbyG, not a damn thing & everything, as usual.
We MUST DESTROY LIEBERPUTZHOOD and all PUSSYDEMHOOD. Come on ye naysayers, we gotta start somewhere!
KEEP THE FAITH, IT’S FRIDAY YA BASTADS!
Sharkbabe…
“BobbyG, not a damn thing & everything, as usual.”
???
Hey, I have some great news. NYBri is running for State Senate in New York!!
I hope this hasn’t already been posted, but I’m really happy about this. NY Bri is Brian Wheeler and kos writes about it here:
NYBri
Jane 109
Oh, I agree. Support for adoption is just the rationale that the group has argued for the plates. The slogan itself says nothing about adoption. It is most definitely political–witness its obvious connection to the whole so-called “Right to Life” movement. “Life” has become a political code word.
So how’s Kobe’s Nobel acceptance speech goin?
Eli, need a tissue? I’ve got Puffs.
Those who voted against cloture (for filibuster) on the Alito nomination Jan. 30, 2006 were:
NAYs —25
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting – 3
Ensign (R-NV)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Everyone else like Holy Joe and Lincoln (Spinning in his grave)Chaffee voted to end debate.
Bobbybabe, I don’t think she meant you’re not a damn thing, we ALL know you’re a hoochie coochie man!
Mary:
As my dearly departed Dad would have said, “Glad to hear you testify.”
————-
Used in derisiveness; think Falwell et al.
Enjoy!
Et, bon appetit!
Yep, there they are, the D-MA twins.
I love my blue state, even if we have to have Mitt the twit for a few more months, he’s already started his Prez run anyway. He’s currently running MA from the Middle East.
Eli, need a tissue? I’ve got Puffs.
No thag oo. I’b fibe.
BobbyG, you chimed in at 92 with that “que pasa” thing, I think Sharkbabe responded to it
LOL Eli @ 124, no ROTFLMAO!
AirportCat -
OK, duh…
BobbyG 117 – no monumental fitznesses or Reddness, just the usual engaging wide-ranging fdl expression is what I meant, plus lots of disgust for neofascist-enabling Joe L.
For the record, MA has had this for quite awhile:
http://images.google.com/imgre…..f&sa=X
Eli, well if you do, please dispose of them in the Bucket of Peril. Achoo.
Joe Lieberman -
My friend Charlie Matthau, on the occasion of his Dad’s memorial at the Directors’ Guild in Hollywood (which I had gazed upon daily from a block away in Sissy’s apartment a block north of Sunset), told us of the Jewish position on abortion:
“It’s still a fetus until it graduates from medical school.”
(yes, he actually said that)
Eli, well if you do, please dispose of them in the Bucket of Peril. Achoo.
I’ll try, but it may be too Perilous.
30 watertiger says:
I think someone should design and sell “Choose Lamont” license plates in Connecticut.
Or maybe, “Choose Intelligent Life. Vote Lamont.”
Seriously, CT, Holy Jo has got to go. Strap him to a guerney and give the old ho the old heave-ho.
“,,,gorging on cocktail weenies…” HAHA! What an image! Just imagining a after-party scene of people passed out on couches with half-eaten weenies in hand. Trampled weenies mashed into the carpet. The hardcore partiers still talking with their mouths full of weenies. Weenie sauce stains on everything. Just another day as a “centrist.”
Did we know this???
I did not know this, this is pretty good news.
“One consultant who will not be back if Kerry runs again is Bob Shrum, who served as the lead strategist during the ‘04 race. Shrum says he has retired from American politics and currently serves as a senior fellow at New York University’s Wagner School of Public Service.”
Now if we could just get Carville and Begala to shut up….
(courtesy multimedium) (scratches nose)
Sharkbabe @ 5:48 pm (#9) – I’d like to propose a license plate that says “Choose Darwin”.
How about Choose Peace?
(courtesy multimedium)
Woohoo!
I still fear that he’s retired like boxers are retired – they could stage a comeback at any moment, no matter how punch-drunk and out of it they may be.
fwiw: Charles Darwin had 10 children … rather fecund!
Or, Darwin Chose YOU, Go Figure…
The nay vote on Hayden (I didn’t see it, sorry if posted before: (All D except Specter)
Bayh IN
Cantwell WA
Clinton NY
Dayton MN
Dodd CT
Dorgan ND
Durbin IL
Feingold WI
Harkin IA
Kennedy MA
Kerry MA
Menendez NJ
Obama IL
Wyden OR
Specter R PA
What’s with the not voting?
Boxer CA
Conrad ND
Dole NC
Inouye HI
Rockefeller WV
Salazar CO
Thune ND
Oh, here’s a thing that happened today, a seeming mini-freakin-tornado ripped through my little community this afternoon, as I arrived home I was stunned at the intense damage to so many trees, hunks of them in the road, others split in two, right in my yard a big hunk of tree still hanging upside down from the utility wires, just bizarre. This is Indian Head MD 22 miles south of DC. Btw glad I was stuck doing some DMV stuff down in southern MD this morning as all that ridiculous Capitol Hill nonsense where I work sent everybody scurrying like the Osama’s bitch rats our society has become.
You know, I don’t do a lot of diaries at Daily Kos, I get so distracted, but I sure love to read Markos. This is from the piece he did about NYBri and I want to put it here because it really reads nicely, summarizes the approach with just a tiny touch of snark and a lot of smart. It’s like reading firedoglake.
“So here’s the long-term part of the strategy:
When old Democrats and Republicans retire or otherwise leave office (handcuffs, stretcher, etc), there are now two kinds of candidates that can currently replace them — the self-funded gazillionaire, or the long-time party operative/hack. And while these candidates can be well meaning, good progressives at times, ultimately, I want a Congress that better reflects America.
So we need a farm system. We need to start identifying young progressives and encouraging them to run for local and state offices. And as they get elected and move up the ranks, they can build their fundraising and volunteer base while learning valuable lessons on how to govern and campaign.
And when one of those establishment politicians leaves office, we suddenly have the right kind of progressives ready to contest for those seats.
So to summarize, short-term, we generally deal with the hand we’ve been dealt, but long-term we build the farm team to engineer a people-powered takeover of Congress.
And those who voted nay on Hayden and nay on cloture Alito:
Bayh
Clinton
Dayton
Dodd
Durbin
Feingold
Kennedy
Kerry
Menendez
Obama
Wyden
Semi-related to many of the ideas floating around on this thread, and worth a read:
http://dangerblond.org/blog/?p=227
angie -
How about just “Choose”.
That’s what GeeW’s beloved “freedom” is ostensibly all about.
Part of being “free” entails choices others won’t like. Get the fuck OVER it.
Hugh 121
A list of heroes. I wonder what happened to Harkin (didn’t vote). He’s one of the very few supporting Feingold’s censure motion.
Shrum comes back and we hand him over to Jane.
She eats shrums for breakfast.
Kobe prefers pumpkin bread.
So we need a farm system. We need to start identifying young progressives and encouraging them to run for local and state offices. And as they get elected and move up the ranks, they can build their fundraising and volunteer base while learning valuable lessons on how to govern and campaign.
Well, that fundraising piece is the Key To Everything. Without a progressive fundraising structure that rivals that of the Democratic establishment, these candidates will never get past the primaries.
Hmmm…think Joe’s middle initial stands for “Irving?”
Little experiment – maybe some of you already do this. Next time you’re driving somewhere, take note of how many people with “Abortion Stops a Beating Heart” or “It’s a Child, Not a Choice” bumper stickers are wearing seatbelts. In my experience – and I live in a state with a seat belt law – at least 50% of the people I see driving cars with these kinds of bumper stickers are NOT doing the one thing that could save their own lives.
For some reason – maybe it’s just the end-of-the-week sillies – I keep thinking about one of my favorite lines from “Seinfeld:” “And you want to be my latex salesman.” I keep picturing Joe Lieberman, with his figurative pants down around his ankles after all the tone-deaf, right-wing decisions and statements he’s made, sprawled on the floor, and all I can think of is: “And you want to be a Democratic Senator.”
Mmmmmm….no.
Pumpkin loaftz!
BobbyG– “Choose” is all good for me!
“Choose choice”
i take exception to the statement about TN- I know that there are a lot of hard core wingers here, but we are trying or best to preserve women’s choice.
It’s Joseph Isadore Lieberman. blech.
Shrum comes back and we hand him over to Jane.
She eats shrums for breakfast.
Kobe prefers pumpkin bread.
I’m sure there are enough talented liberal IT people to pull off my strategy of kidnapping Shrum and placing him in an immersive virtual reality simulation of a presidential campaign that he can harmlessly run into the ground to his heart’s content. The Bayhtrix, perhaps.
AG almost quit! Damn!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..r=homepage
I’ll take some of that Fitzpumpkin right about now.
BTW-
Ticker Carlson today on Tweety claimed that nobody other than the “angry (leftie) blogosphere” cared about the outing of Valerie Plame. That it was so much ado about nothing.
Asshole.
AG almost quit! Damn!
Like the Bush White House would ever tell them to relinquish *anything*.
Bagdad ER is on.
kirby 142
So, any notion that Chafee or Collins or whoever is some kind of “moderate” Republican (oxymoron)can be dispensed with. I wonder what happened with Specter. Maybe Rove gave him a free pass so he can continue to play the Pennsylvania Concern Troll on the Judiciary committee and wring his hands and express grave constitutional misgivings, then vote the party line whenever it matters. They obviously didn’t need him on this vote.
Nice little rant, Airport Cat, I’m right there with her, all the way.
I love, love love the Bayhtrix, he can run against Brownback with Jeb for VP.
Ticker Carlson today on Tweety claimed that nobody other than the “angry (leftie) blogosphere” cared about the outing of Valerie Plame. That it was so much ado about nothing.
That’s nice, Tucker. Tell it to Fitz – he seems to think it was a pretty significant crime.
And if the president’s senior political advisor ends up indicted, it’s harder and harder to say much ado about nothing.
That’s the thing with the Plame case – they can spin all they want, but it doesn’t change the bottom-line outcome of indictments or (fingers crossed) convictions.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..677922.htm
Amazing Iraq article. It’s going to become 1980s Lebanon on steroids.
James Madison didn’t envision the power of cocktail weenies. Pity.
I love, love love the Bayhtrix, he can run against Brownback with Jeb for VP.
You think Jeb would run as a Democrat?
(talk about a ratfuck…)
Carlson needs a blogswarm of quotes from the Fitzfiles’ .pdf’s.
As punaise said: sighed, sealed, de-livered, Eli.
Hannibal Lector. (hope I remembered it right!)
James Madison didn’t envision the power of cocktail weenies. Pity.
Dolly envisioned the power of dessert, but I’m not sure it has any practical political uses.
Allergies are going to your brain, Eli, I meant Jeb as VP for Brownback.
Well, it is proven you can attract more bees with honey…
Allergies are going to your brain, Eli, I meant Jeb as VP for Brownback.
Well, Bayh *is* pretty “centrist”…
I think the snarky footnotes Fitz writes would do Bowtie Boy just fine.
Why would I want to attract bees?
thanks ccmask, got it on
all the bushfucks should be strapped to chairs and forced to watch this 24/7
Eddie Vedder said there ain’t gonna be any middle anymore. Centrist, schmentrist, I want a progressive tsunami for that election.
Well, a girl can dream…
Tucker just hasn’t been the same since he gave up his bow tie. Beginning of the end I’m afraid- he’s headed for a life of annoying people on street corners for food.
cause they make flowies?
then again, they sting and hurt and actually can kill if you are allergic and don’t have an epi-pen on you…
Kirby 141
People can say all the bad they want about Clinton, but there’s a couple of times when she did the right thing…
Eddie Vedder said there ain’t gonna be any middle anymore. Centrist, schmentrist, I want a progressive tsunami for that election.
Well, a girl can dream%u2026
Ditto, for two reasons. One, to send a crystal clear message that this country has overwhelmingly repudiated the Republican culture of corruption and bloodthirst, and Two, to make sure it’s impossible to game or steal.
I slip in bed when you’re asleep
to hold you close and feel your breath on me
/dixie chicks
For Baghdad ER, I think I would turn on the TV.
But I don’t have HBO, so I’ll wait for the DVD.
angie – thanks for the tip on “Isadore;” I just thought it would be too precious if he and Libby had something in common.
I second your “blech.”
For the record- GW Clusterfuck has now butchered 2675 troops in Iraq. Heckofa job Bushie!
For Baghdad ER, I think I would turn on the TV.
But I don’t have HBO, so I’ll wait for the DVD.
It’s the documentary they don’t want you to see.
At least, that’s the way that it looks to me.
(Worst. Meter. Ever.)
Pool boy carries more water for the Bush administration ….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01757.html
Oops– that’s 2685 troops.
Harry 167 … all the British officer talk in that article about Iran and Iranian influence and Iranian training and such … couldn’t have anything to do with justifying plans to attack Iran by any chance?
For the record- GW Clusterfuck has now butchered 2675 troops in Iraq. Heckofa job Bushie!
He’s determined not to let Osama beat him. At least not on body count.
sharkbabe: I was wondering….if a wounded soldier is stabilized in Iraq, then transported to Germany, if he later dies is he added to the list of soldiers killed in Iraq?
God god god may these bushfucks rot in FUCKING HELL FOREVER – omfg
Zennurse -145
Here in red state Kentucky the Dean campaign people reincarnated as Change for Kentucky. Groups around the state try to cultivate strong new candidates for local offices.
It is a good model. In ten years, one might run for Congress. We have to play a short-, a medium- and a long-term hand, all at the same time. It can be tough on us because we each (sometime or another) run into people who have both a driving sense of urgency AND a narrower vision. Keeping your eyes on the prize, then, requires looking at more stuff, having multi-vision.
ralphinlex
My favorite sentence from the NYT article cited above, about the possibility that McNulty and Abu might quit:
“The White House said Mr. Bush devised the 45-day plan as a way to cool tempers in Congress and the Justice Department.”
Just seeing the phrase “Mr. Bush devised” gave me quite a giggle….
Sian 191.
Nah, it’s really true. There’s no way Bush attacks Iran. I’ll happily bet anyone that Bush won’t attack them. All losings paid to the site. Or some worthy cause.
siun even.
Bush will hide it with the Jefferson papers.
Friends, old and new, it’s Friday night and I will bid you achoo, I have to sleep for the zennursing marathon weekend. I wish you pumpkin loaf and strong coffee, two days with no votes or confirmations and the NYT Magazine article on Sunday. Please be sweet to yourselves and don’t forget to hug your loved ones as you would like to be hugged.
Sweet Dreams and namaste
zen
I wonder how many limbs have been lost in this war? That’s a question that could use a little sunshine? If there are 15,000 wounded soldiers, how many limbs could that be???
Just seeing the phrase “Mr. Bush devised” gave me quite a giggle%u2026.
“I have a cunning plan…”
(Baldric from Black Adder – the only cunning plan of his I can remember involved lying on the floor with his mouth open, waiting for a rat to run into it…)
You are welcome, Anne. I have a dear pet in the family named Isadora (cause she dances) and Rosebud (because she makes everyone believe in magical and hopeful things.) I know this bit of trivia about Holy Joe cause I lived in CT …… I often pull up this great analogy of Isadora Rosebud who is a progressive dog and will fight anyone who isn’t and Lieberfroth who isn’t! it’s sort of an educational thing. :)
ps ralphinlex, my parents both grew up in lex and my grandfather has an economics award named after him at UK. I love it there, but they are all gone and I haven’t seen it in many years, thanks for the remember when.
We’ve given Iran control of the world’s second largest oil reserve at the cost of 1 trillion plus, plus thousands of lives/wounded. The only difference in Iraq since we invaded is now the majority oppresses the minority.
The only difference in Iraq since we invaded is now the majority oppresses the minority.
Wow, it’s like Freaky Friday or something.
Harry – that’s one bet I’d gladly lose but with election coming, Israel fussing and W being forced to act contrite … I’m not feeling so good about things.
as to “really true” – I’d be interested in your sources – there’s been a lot of shady British tales out of that region … and we should remember that Sy Hersch has reported that we have troops on the ground in Iran already.
ps – BBC reporting that Burma has just extended Aung San Suu Kyi’s house arrest.
Eli 205
In what way?
In what way?
Well, before the invasion, the majority oppressed the minority here, and the minority oppressed the majority in Iraq. And now we’ve switched places.
cc 193 – if it makes these nazi fucks look bad, my guess is “no.”
Harry – your read on Iraq and Iran certainly does not match mine.
And your statement about “the only difference in Iraq” is a dreadful statement given the reality of the differences we have imposed on Iraq.
well, the wife is finally home and it’s Friday night … later, all!
siun 206
There are plenty people who want a war in Britain and in America, as the Canadian Iran/Jew/yellow star thing show.
It just isn’t going to happen now. George would actually face consequences for the first time if he started a war. He just can’t do it anymore.
Eli 208
So you’re agreeing with me?
neurophius
I thought the question of why Tom harkin didn’t vote on the Alito cloture was a good one but it was really hard to find much on it. I think politicians would rather forget and have forgotten some of their votes.
I found only this single quote by Harkin made while he was visiting the Quad Cities:
January 28, 2006?
“If we had 40 people, I would be a part of that, but there’s not. I’m just against wasting time and doing useless things,” he added.
http://www.qctimes.net/article…..461724.txt
George would actually face consequences for the first time…
I think we’ve heard this before.
Love the Black Adder!
George: I’m doomed! Doomed as the dodo!
Just back from my son’s high school graduation in Indianapolis- main speaker was Sen. Evan Bayh. I probably looked a little strange taking notes during commencement – couldn’t help it.
Overall impression: the speech was – pleasant. As a guy, he’s – nice. Really, it did have a decent feel to the first part, where he was relaxed, self-deprecating and pretty funny.
Told a nice story from 1968, noting that Indpls was about the only major American city to have no violence after Martin Luther King’s death. He gave a lot of credit to Dick Lugar, who was the mayor at the time. He also talked about how Bobby Kennedy was in town that night, and went out, against advice as to safety, to make a speech advocating restraint, and noting that his family too had been the victim of a white man’s bullet.
On to politics. He lamented the “extreme polarization” in D.C.
Need to “stand for” civil liberties. Told the old story – first they came for the gypsies, I didn’t speak out, then the Jews, then the Catholics, and I didn’t speak out, and when they knocked on my door, there was no one left to speak out.
Talked about soldiers in Iraq and “their patriotism”(?) What have I done? What has any of us done? A new patriotism is needed – we need to “give more”.
On to the main message. What is needed is more unity, less division, more tolerance. Focus on what is shared, not what is disputed. Love of this great country etc. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance.
What occured to me was the old line about bringing a knife to a gun fight. Senator Bayh isn’t even bringing the knife – he’s bringing flowers.
Best lines of the night went to the headmaster. “Our next speaker has plans to run for the presidency of the United States – probably as a Democrat. Please welcome John T_____, a member of the class of 2006!(who introduced Bayh).
And to Bayh: “Senator, I want you to know that the seniors voted at their August retreat who they’d like to have as their speaker tonight. You beat out David Letterman by one vote”.
Zennurse -203
Keeneland was great this year with a wet, cool spring. Was the grandfather Martin, Carpenter, or Patterson?
ralphinlex
all of this incredible, incredible, needless suffering, for nothing but the vanity of the most worthless piece of shit prick ever born on this planet.
I’d recommend to all but esp. to Eli and Harry a little stop at the following site:
http://truth-about-iraqis.blogspot.com/
or simply click on the link under my name for markfromireland’s site – consider learning a bit about the reality of what we are doing in Iraq before tossing about these lines.
zennurse quoting Pearl Jam, “”Aint gonna be any middle anymore!”
This mirrors my thoughts. 25 or 30 years ago, or perhaps even 12 or 12 years ago, when bipartisanship did still actually exist, there was room for centrists to be centrists — to split the difference, to give a bit to the other side. Today, with the incredible pressure tactics and full scale assaults from the radical right, it is just plain dangerous to promote the centrist – split the difference – sort of politics. Any tiny bit you give, is taken and run with to the far right side of the politcal spectrum. I think that this is the main reason Lieberman should be defeated. There is just so little room for his sort of center right politics anymore.
Did you guys see this from Jesus General? It’s Douglas Feith’s syllabus for the class he is teaching at Georgetown …
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com…..4883951385
Sigh. I love the General.
siun 210
We’ve greatly worsened the freedom of Iraqi women, and caused a change in the balance of power which may yet cause a region-wide war. And it’s not like we’re there to provide democracy- we prop up dictators and tyrants in half a dozen countries bordering Iraq.
http://individual.utoronto.ca/…..450349.jpg
So you’re agreeing with me?
Well, it was more snark for the sake of snark, but you are correct that the oppressing faction has changed in Iraq. But as siun says, it’s not the *only* thing that’s changed. Iraq under Saddam was considerably more stable and functional, as it often is under totalitarian bastards.
Fuck Evan Bayh, another legacy worthless pussy. Take away his name, he’s sellin cars or doing something else actually halfway useful. Thanks for the good report jayt.
harry
Iran has the world’s 2nd largest oil reserves. Iraq is 3rd. Iran also has much larger natural gas reserves.
________billions of barrels_____trillion cubic feet
Iran__________130__________________970
Iraq__________115__________________110
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/in…..erves.html
Eli 224.
Agree with that. We’re going to have to deal with Iran now over the oil, which is the main reason why we’re not going to attack them. After the midterms, George will be hailed as a diplomatic genius when he makes a deal with them.
I wonder what *would* happen to the price of gas if we invaded Iran and fucked up their oil flow like we did with Iraq…
As a woman, I can tell you that what makes me insane are people just worrying about us women. Women will right the wrongs as the bombs cease falling and the children and the elders stop being killed. Meanwhile, a lot of the insurgents in both wars are men trying to provide for their families and angry people coming to fight with their “brothers” to protect their “sisters”. Just watched “Jarhead”. We need to learn, a lot.
$177 million per DAY of our tax dollars.
Hi Buddy Don, you’re one of my favorites as well.
I wrote to Bob Ney about H.R. 5052, titled the Stop Deceptive Advertising for Women’s Services Act, introduced by Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY). It’s stuck in a subcommittee. Nice to know he’ll keep my thoughts in mind in the (unlikely) chance that this bill is every brought to the House floor.
Hugh 226.
Most of Iraq is unexplored, but from when the Brits first discovered oil there in the 1910s we’ve has a pretty good idea of how much oil is there. The Brits even hived off Iraq’s 19th province and called it “Kuwait” because it was so promising seismically ( the way they test for oil). Iraq has huge undeveloped resources, and is expected to be much bigger than Iran, and has an upside. Iran is currently investing two billion to increase the production in its biggest field from 200 000 to 300 000 a day. In the 1970s, the same field was producing a million a day. Iran is declining now.
Iraq also contains the only large reserve of light crude left out there. Britain and Iran’s production of light (low sulphur) stuff is declining, and we need it to mix with heavy oils to make WTI blend (benchmark crude) to refine. Iraq is the world’s most valuable real estate.
Harry – fun to play arrogant rationalist, eh?
too bad you buy right into the Biden/Bush propoganda
Eli,
One of Bush’s mouthpieces recently said that if Iran were to turn of the oil spigots it would be no big deal. So in Bizarro Bush World..that means we would be totally screwed.
Also, have you late FDL’ers already plowed over the fertile ground of the Repulsive–err…Republican Rep. who “dove back into his elevator” after hearing what he thought were gunshots?
Some brave Republicans they are breeding.
Way to cause a cluster-fuck you asshammer.
Saxton continued: “I dove back into the elevator, rushed back to my office and asked my chief of staff to report what I had seen or heard to the Capitol Hill Police, which she did, and that started the chain of events that unfolded over the course of the day.”
-GSD
siun.
There are realpolitik people and there are nutters like the people who got us into that mess. Just look at American history for the past half century in the Middle East. Name one policy move we made not entirely governed by the desire to control their oil.
GSD — I read the same report and my immediate thought was “cretin needs a staffer to call 911?”
Our tax dollars at work, GSD.
Nice coverage yellow corporate media!
rushed back to my office and asked my chief of staff to report what I had seen or heard to the Capitol Hill Police
“what I had seen or heard”??? The hell?
He doesn’t know which it is?
I always love that realpolitik line … as if “real politics” excuses the murder of innocents … of course, as Madeline Albright said, “the price is worth it” as she applied realpolitik to the deaths of half a million Iraqi children under sanctions imposed by republican and democratic administrations.
Interesting Opinion piece. I found it while searching for Lamont Lieberman in google. I haven’t really absorbed it all, but I thought I’d post before I got EPU’d. FWIW
http://www.jewishjournal.com/h…..p?id=15904
snippets
The bravado of the Bush foreign policy group, however, was not backed by the ability, experience or adaptability of previous presidencies in foreign policy. Imbued with a sense of their own historical destiny and the rightness of their cause, the Bush crowd made a hash of Iraq, and through their stunning incompetence opened the door to expanding Iran’s influence in the region. Unilateral arrogance and belligerence weakened America’s standing in the world, and temporarily robbed Israel of the benefit of pro-American admiration abroad. The United States of course, has never been universally loved outside its borders, but it was held in high regard in many places. And this high regard has been a bulwark of Israel’s strength.
But not all erstwhile supporters of Bush’s foreign policy have learned such a lesson, including Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), who has blindly embraced the Bush foreign policy team. Returning from a trip to Baghdad in late 2005, he extolled the wisdom and flexibility of the Iraq policies of the administration, went on Fox News to attack fellow Democrats for not getting behind the commander-in-chief and found himself quoted by the president as one Democrat who really gets it. (This lovefest is not helping Lieberman’s among fellow Democrats in his reelection campaign.) Lieberman, apparently, would be delighted to follow Bush’s lead on Iran policy. If Friedman has spit out the Kool-Aid, Lieberman can’t seem to drink enough of it.
Siun.
It’s what we do. Saudi would have a Bin Laden govt. if it held elections. Kuwait’s royal family would go the same way, plus all the Emirates Dubai etc. Egypt and Syria would be Muslim Brotherhood and Jordan (65% Palestinian) would be pro-Palestinian on Israel’s border. That’s why we prop all those dictators up.
If Friedman has spit out the Kool-Aid, Lieberman can’t seem to drink enough of it.
There is no nectar on God’s green Earth sweeter than a mixture of Kool-Aid and George W. Bush’s semen. It’s like the ambrosia of the gods.
siun– saw Albright on Colbert last nite– seems like she is choking on the redemption log… more purely holy than chimpy… never apologized though.
Jane & all: Thanks Lynnie (156) I know Tennesseeans can seem indefensible with our Frist and our unfortunate license plate fiasco and our transformation from blue to red state and all those stories about incest and barefeet and ’shine, but many of us ARE working our asses off to try to challenge things & stir the pot. . . Here’s a link to the Tennessee Guerilla Women home on the web. .. We be tryin!
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
OT —
Went to see Jean Rohe’s jazz set at a downtown club this evening with my wife, brother, and sister-in-law. Just wanted to help extend her 15 minutes a bit longer in thanks for causing John McCain (and Bob Kerrey and the execrable Mark Salter) some discomfort.
Can attest that not only can Ms Rohe speak truth to power, she can sing up a storm. Most of her songs were in a smooth, rhythmic Brazilian jazz style (in Portuguese). Plus one straightforward but beautiful protest song in English, and a Tom Waits number that showed off her vocal range and stamina.
We had no idea what to expect but really enjoyed the performance. Good on Jean!
more tennessee guerilla women. . . we ain’t vichy baby!
http://www.tnguerillawomen.org/
Harry – some of us are not so at ease with “what we do” – some of us also factor in the cost in human lives.
Jean Rohe sang Tom Waits?? Which song? Be still, my fluttering heart!
Harry.. Thought I read that corporations will get great profits from new oil finds in Iraq…but I’m not sure is that true. Can you comment?
Angie – no redemption for the Madeline though if she chose to serve for the balance of her life in Iraqi hospitals treating the children she happily sacrificed to her realpolitik … it might help.
I’m pleased it isn’t me sitting with my wife and seventeen children on the floor of my tin-roof cinderblock one-room shanty all clustered round a one bar electric fire that isn’t on because the power’s been off for a week.
However, I would like us to change somewhat. Develop alternative fuels, so we don’t have to go invading nations of shanty dwellers to get their oil for one thing. But also I’d like to stop exporting our capital to third world countries like China to make goods to sell back to us with money borrowed from countries like China, so that multinationals can arbitrage our wages down to their levels, which are $50 a month unskilled/$250 a month graduate in case you’re interested. I’m a little selfish like that.
Had huge arguments with friends about national security in Gulf 1– I protested a lot because of our support for Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war and April Glaspie and all my buds said, but, but, you are so stoopid, it is about National Security cause we need the oil. S.O.S. only worse and more dead.
I had family in that war. Horror.
Jan 249.
Depends on who the resulting government(s) make deals with. Iran will happily make deals with the US over Iraqi oilfields ( they currently deal with Halliburton ) if we relax sanctions on them and sotra kinda recognise them.
Harry – your “shanty dwellers” comments say it all.
selfish doesn’t begin to describe this attitude
The article doesn’t say that Lieberman support pro-life license plates. It just says that he wrote a letter which praises an adoption center.
harry, with all due respect, that first sentence @ 9:08 seems unfeeling and ever so slightly imperious.
Eric – these “adoption centers” are well known “fronts” for the pro-life groups. Lieberman knew precisely what he was doing.
so Angie …
are you making it to Vegas or will we miss you?
Siun.
I recognise I live in a country that owns 65% of the world’s capital, and I want it to stay that way. I don’t want to work for $250 a month. There are billions of people just dying to work for 50/250 a month. Billions of new consumers. Once we lose our capital to Asia, it’s never coming back. Unless we offer to undercut their wages of course.
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Wow– more craziness from the laptop– no, siun, don’t think i’ll make it there physically, but i will be there in spirit and on line. you are amazing– one day, I hope, we will meet.
Angie 256.
I’d love to buy the world a Coke, but facts are facts. We’re both only able to live the way we do because of the imperious way America behaves and has behaved for a century now. I’d love everyone to have our living standards, but the fact is it’s impossible. Do you want to live like most of the rest of the world does?
Ah Angie – I’ll miss you! but I bet we’ll do it again!
and I’m continuing to think there will be many ways to “be” there.
I am finding it hard to be away from FDL so much – I miss the crew.
Harry, I would in a veritable heartbeat, live among the people. It may not be pleasant, surely it is not. But, we are way too privileged, doncha think? Most of the world lives in poverty and as victims of OUR American Idolatry McDonald’s lifestyle. I would rather live among the common folks!
Lite nite thread has begun
I don’t really get what the problem is here? If wingers want “Choose life” license plates, what business is it of ours?
Is it the plates, or the fact that the revenue is being partially diverted towards these non abortion providing crisis pregnancy centers?
Actually, shouldn’t the money go to orphanages and foster care?
”Specialty plates are an important source of revenue for causes like cancer research and environmental protection. They shouldn’t be used for political slogans.”
I mean Jesus Christ! Is “save the environment” political? What about “Stop Global Warming” would that be more political? These can either be political or they don’t have to be. IF all you are trying to do is “save” something that you think shouldn’t be ruined or killed, then to you it isn’t political. What if there was a hypothetical political faction who believed that we should still have slavery? Would they complain about “Choose Freedom” license plates as being a political message? To others it may just sound like common sense.
Chews Wife
Siun (Number?) What’s your reading on our CT AG Blumenthal? I have always had a certain amount of respect for him. But this is loonytoons as far as I am concerned.
While I agree with the effort to keep political messages off of license plates, doesn’t the “Choose Life” slogan actually help the pro-choice cause?
The key word here is “Choose.” Our whole argument on the pro-choice side is that it should remain a choice.
If I had a voice, I would publicly and right to the pro-anti-woman crowd say, “EXACTLY! Make a CHOICE! Allow women to CHOOSE! Finally, we agree. You also think it is a matter of choice. Thank you! Now, can we move on to something more important, like the slaughter of innocent people, including babies and children, in Iraq so that our president can be seen as a great leader by being commander-in-chief?”
I think some fo us CT folks have had enough. Anyone who doesn’t think Lieberman is a right-winger should take a look at this. It’s completely embarrassing & in addition to his “pro-life” behavior:
Joe Saves Face. Lieberman abandons End Time Christians. by Paul Bass:
http://hartfordadvocate.com/gb…..d=oid:1716
$350 for One Jew, $700 for a Couple: http://montages.blogspot.com/2…..ouple.html
Sen. Joe Lieberman Erases Ties to Apocalyptic Fundamentalist Group: http://www.thememoryhole.org/p…..n-ifcj.htm
BTW. I like Lamont’s new commercial, which is now on air. Whaddya guys think? I think it’s the best so far.
CHOOOSE life….??
opperative word CHOOSE…as in CHOICE…as in the right to make a choice and NOT be forced to have no choice but the religious rights choice….
make license plates that say “CHOOSE CHOICE if you love Democracy”
Lieberman’s a cad, a fool, a bumbling, stumbling, neocon at heart, no good, slimy rat! And that’s on his good days!