
Well, Irving has landed himself in a whole mess as of the latest Fitz filing, hasn’t he? It seems the more that his legal team tries to push the boundaries of acceptable discovery to go on a fishing expedition, the more Fitz and his team have to explain – in very clear, unambiguous terms – that Irving had better start thinking about manning the lifeboats.
Ouch.
Jeralyn has some great analysis on the latest Fitz filing at TalkLeft – and is hosting a PDF of the Fitz Response there as well, so everyone can have a read. Tom Maguire has the exhibits that were attached as well – which are snippets of Scooter Libby’s testimony to the Grand Jury and Fitz’s questions.
A very interesting read overall – and one that merits more analysis than I’ve had time to give it today, so I’m going to sketch things out as I see them at the moment, reserving some time to go back over the transcripts and the filing again to be certain I have gotten all the juicy bits. There are several issues that are niggling at me in the transcript – but I’m going to have to think about them for a bit and do another post.
In any case, the response itself provides some intriguing information. Fitzgerald and his team begin with a smack at the last Libby filing for having only one real argument in it that had not already been rebutted – that Cheney’s handwritten notes on the top of the Wilson op-ed had opened the door to the defendant being able to tra la through whatever discovery he felt was necessary to ascertain the mental state of any and all witnesses the government might call. (p. 1)
In other words, Team Irving is arguing that because Dick gave Scooter marching orders, that gives them carte blanche to go on a big ole fishing expedition to find dirt on everyone else to try and muddy the waters for the jury or to dig up a convenient scapegoat or whatever else Scooter might need to make himself look less guilty.
But smoke screen ammunition is priced dearly, I’m afraid, and Fitz says “nuh uh.” On pp. 2-3, Fitz walks through the government’s position that Cheney, as Libby’s immediate superior, directed Libby’s actions with respect to the Wilson op-ed. That Fitz and his team lay this out via an indirect assertion saying that Grossman was not in a position to do this is genius in terms of strategic writing – well done, indeed.
Here’s a question that keeps popping up in my mind: Libby consulted David Addington prior to his first meeting with Judy Miller regarding the legal propriety of the selective NIE and other disclosures he’d been ordered to make by Cheney. Was Addington also in on the discussions and meetings with Cheney on how to handle the Wilson Op-Ed? Did he see the “news clipping” on Cheney’s desk as a mere curiosity as well – or did the Veep hand out marching orders like this with every news article that pissed him off?
If there’s a pattern of behavior that Fitz can show in Cheney’s actions through the years, we could have a helluva ballgame in terms of inference here. But I digress...
On p. 4, Fitz goes into the specifics of Libby’s grand jury testimony and how it contradicts the very things that his legal team is trying to argue. Libby’s testimony (you can read it in the exhibits) is painful to read at times – punctilious does not begin to describe the tortured parsing of language that Irving goes through on the stand to carefully walk through the minefield of testimony. And you can tell by the questioning in parts that Fitz isn’t buying his act.
Here’s a good example from the response brief on p. 5:
Defendant further testified that the Wilson Op-Ed was discussed in the White House on a daily basis and on multiple occasions each day during the week following July 6, 2003. Ex. A, at 81.
First of all, hello WHIG – and does this sound like a coordinated response at the highest levels to anyone else or what? This was a full frontal assault on the attack on their credibility – oh wait, excuse me, on Cheney’s personal credibility (p. 7).
The resources of the top oppo political types were kicked into high gear on this one. And there is a copy of the Wilson op-ed with the marching orders written right there at the top – including the sorts of phrases that were repeated to media types, whether or not Valerie Wilson’s name was used: who sent Wilson on the trip – look into it – wife sent him on a junket.
On p. 6, Fitz brings up a potential discussion of Valerie Plame Wilson along with her husband’s op-ed on the Air Force II flight on July 12, 2003. This raised my radar with regard to all those credibility questions that Team Irving was jumping up and down about Cathie Martin. One wonders what really was discussed on that flight – including what calls were made and what sorts of phone records Fitz has in his pocketses.
One thread that runs through the whole of the Fitz filing is that Libby discussed – on multiple occasions – the Wilson op-ed with Dick Cheney, including the fact that Valerie Plame Wilson worked for the CIA – and that this is corroborated by other evidence including the Cheney handwriting on the Wilson op-ed piece itself. That “Scooter’s Swiss Cheese Memory” defense sure does have a whole lotta holes in it at this point, doesn’t it?
And it’s especially painful that those holes have been carved out from apparent testimony and evidence given to Fitz by his former boss and former co-workers. From page 6:
Therefore, the annotations corroborate the government’s other evidence indicating that these issues were communicated to defendant by his immediate superior, who also directed defendant during the critical week after July 6 to get out into the public “all” the facts in response to the Wilson Op Ed.” (emphasis mine)
That “all” in quotes is quite a teaser, isn’t it? And Fitz does that again on p. 9 as well – when he says “all,” you have to wonder exactly how much he has at this point, don’t you? I know I do. And I'm sure that Team Irving is having fits over that as well. (Let alone the Rove and Cheney and who knows who else camps...that's a serious ass teaser.)
There has been much ado made over the fact that Fitz may or may not call Dick Cheney to the stand. Jeralyn has some great discussion on that point at TalkLeft -- and I agree that simply to introduce the annotated Wilson Op-Ed, Fitz wouldn't have to call Cheney at all -- he could get the evidence in via other witnesses. But there are a whole lot of other issues at play here that we can't know from outside -- and I'm wondering how much the "will he or won't he call him" question will weigh on Irving's mind in terms of strategy going forward -- and on his loyalty versus saving his ass considerations after the hints that his former co-workers may have been spilling a lot more beans than he did.
Seems to me that Irving may not get a chance to be much of a fisherman. But Fitz sure does know how to keep some serious tension on the line, doesn't he? (For a city boy, that's pretty damned impressive...)
PS -- Huge thank you to Jeralyn who sent me the docs yesterday when she downloaded them for herself. Much appreciated. :)
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As I said, Scooter’s new name is Jonah.
FITZ!!!
can you say “busted”? Knew you could…
More from the Libby testimony transcripts:
“Q. Do you recall the Vice-President indicating or asking you or anyone in your presence whether or not Ambassador Wilson’s wife had arranged to have him sent on a junket?
“A. I think I recall him — I don’t recall him asking me that particular question, but I think I recall him musing about that.
“Q. Okay. And do you recall when it was that he mused about that?
“A. I think it was after the Wilson column.
“Q. Okay. And obviously –
“A. I don’t mean the Wilson column. I’m sorry, I misspoke. I think it was after the Novak column. . . . “
Rootz!Leisure Guy
I mean, FITZ!!1! WOO!
J U S T I C E ! ! !
Hartman’s on Air America Radio. Smoking.
A caller just pointed out the free ride Bushy gave Ken Lay on the “Let’s Burn California” and “Get Shorty” and “Screw Grandma.”
Remember how that was just the free markets at work and FERC and regulators decided, nope, nothing to see here, move along.
Kinda like mine safety…what do you think happens when you stop regulating an industry?
Christy - It looks like every release brings a new defense or at least a twist on an existing one from Team Libby. Is this normal? Is it a sign that Libby’s crew has entered a mode of full-blown straw grasping? Or are we just witnessing the now familiar effects of gamesmanship between the two sides of the case?
It does appear that Fitz is punishing Scoots for his continued “fishing” by making public more and more of the record that is embarassing either to Scoots- or to the White House. Kinda fun!
“I think”, “I misspoke”, “I think”… Irving doesn’t know anytingh and he surely knows everything. There can be no doubt, after the confirmation that they discussed this daily, that Irving was definitely not so busy with all his important affairs of state to forget about our hero Valerie.
Sniveling little shit.
Oh, brother. Anything.
Christy, I am in total awe. You wrote THIS with all that is going on in your household?
Now I am going to go back up and read it again more carefully.
The mine safety issue should garner much discussion.
What’s at stake here is the absurdity of the classic gooper “bumper sticker” approach to governance. “eliminate regulation”, “confine the federal govt to national defense”, etc. This shit don’t work folks- and america needs to recognize that they have just been shown the truth- so that no gooper will ever take the risk of mouthing this nonsense again.
What the Clusterfuck administration has done is to give gooper bullshit a road test- and the car ran off the road.
moby fitz!
A question from the easily distracted:
Christy, by “serious ass teaser” do you mean:
(a) a serious-ass teaser,
or
(b) a serious ass-teaser?
Not a lawyer, and one of the least Plamey in the group - but I swear y’all - someday I am going to want to hear the story of that annotated NYT finding it’s way in to the hands of Fitz -
it was ‘discovered’ long after it served WHIG’s purpoes - it may be just the usual sloppiness and incompetence from this group - but it smells like someone’s get out of jail free card being held for just that purpose
my oh my
Anything to say on the E&P article re: Murray Waas ’s ‘bombshell’ that “columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation”. He apparently referred to how Rove got fired by GHW Bush when he leaked to Novak in “a 1992 incident in which Rove had been fired from the Texas arm of President George H.W. Bush’s re-election effort; Rove lost his job because the Bush campaign believed that he had been the source for a Novak column that criticized the campaign’s internal workings.”
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp.....1002575957
I read this last night and I marveled at the way Fitz gives up just enough new information to make his point and make them sweat and wonde just a little more. I remember when we “met” Ted Wells, how cocky he was about this and how smarmy he was with the press, Mr. Big Shot Lawyer with his fancy suits and his entourage. Must’ve thought he won the lottery when he got a look at nice, earnest Patrick Fitzgerald in his rumpled suit and unshined shoes.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Check out Murray Waas’ latest columns (links @Raw Story) wherein he details some apparent conspiracy between Novakula and Rove and their grand jury testimony. Wow! Is it possible that Mr. Coffin on Wheels and his boy-toy from Young Republican days of yore might be roommates at the Hotel Bars and Stripes on Your Clothing? I wouldn’t want to see it…as in peek-holing!
Isn’t it possible that part of the reason for the delay in indicting Rove is to see the sort of defense contortions that Libby’s defense team makes to defend him? Fitzgerald must learn a ton every time the Libby team opens its mouth.
If he didn’t know it by now, Irving is probably starting to realize that he’s not an angler, he’s a fish.
Fitz, on the other hand, knows exactly which one he is. When you’ve got a fish on the line, you’ve got to keep it taut, and Fitz appears to be quite the angler. It doesn’t look like Irving’s going to spit this hook out, no matter how hard he squirms.
Best of all, there’s no limit to the size and number of fish on the lake that Fitz is working!
I don’t think the tall man actually wrote this response. The writing style is different. And the internal organizations of points is not like some of the others. Not Ms. Bonemici gets a byline. I think she wrote it. And a fine job she did, too.
Peterr - love the analogy. And the other thing a good angular does is to take his time. Keep that rod nice and high and bring him in real real slow, let the fish exhaust himself.
(I used to dig my own worms when I was a little girl!)
OT — “…Not the outcome we expected…I still believe I am innocent of the charges…I have a warm and Christian family to support me…God is in control and works all things for the good…”
OMFG. He just invoked God three or four times in one sentence, I couldn’t even keep up with it.
They were ordered to stay in the courthouse until they posted the 5 million dollar bond — they hadn’t done it already like Skilling had.
Hubris.
Had to sign off a house, his kids also signed a voucher for the bond.
How is that Christian, to put your entire family through the wringer like this, after f*cking over millions of people either through loss of their investments’ value or their retirement plans, or their jobs, or money because of energy market manipulation?
God must be laughing too hard to strike the man with a bolt of lightning.
Echhh…now I can finally switch gears to the Fitz.
arbo–More likely- Fitz wants to get the discovery bullshit from Scoots put to bed before starting another discovery battle- but who the hell knows?
Once he’s hooked TWO fish- the fish can start swimming in opposite directions in order to tangle up the lines. Both will have a virtually unlimited defense fund to work with- so it will be an amazing display of waste and sportsmanship.
Sure sounds like Fitz is having fun now, doesn’t it? Or is that your glee showing, Redd? Pocketses - love it.
OT just FYI
We just lost ANWR in the House. Alaska - sold to the the Republicans on the right.
Christy: All of these discissions dealing with the fact that Scooter did this or that drive me insane….. Scooter did nothing on his own. At this time in the White House it was get Joe Wilson NOW. That could only mean that WHIG as a Group/ whole went after Joe Wilson. This I think is the reason for the “slowness” of the Fitz team. I mean come on Fuck Scooter it was everbody on WHig.
oh-so-religious Ken Lay seems to forget that his God issued some commandments which include “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not lie” as well as one about not coveting thy neighbors house…
Kenny boy Lay professes his faith in the Lord– could not count the number of times he invoked the name of the Lord.
But he is suprised and shocked at the verdict, shocked I tell you.
Utterly predictable. What was he doing for nigh on 4 hours? I coulda come up with that statement in 5 minutes, tops.
25 - Yeah, just heard the ANWR thing on KNPR. Sux.
rwcole #13 - exactly. I told a conservative friend of mine that this admin completely radicalized me, not more pretense of “centrism” or triangulation left in me. He told me that he used to be a conservative, but now that he’s seen the logical extension of their policies, he’s done with that.
EPU’d from last thread, she says waving her hands and shouting look at meeeee:
Looseheadprop sez: Erm. That is Omerta means you DON”T rat each other out.
Hangs head in shame-
BREAKING NEWS - loosehead’s prop fails
Rayne: Is Lay using the Koslowski strategy in anticipation of the inevitable appeal? (Or was it one of those other corpulent indicted CEO’s?)Expect pastors and most reverends to surround him from here on out.
Taylor Marsh gets front page props at Talking Points Memo - not too shabby!
Sounds like Skilling was ready. My guess is that he knew pretty well his goose was cooked as he had to sit and watch Lay’s beligerant and arrogant testimony turn off the jury.
Kenny boy on the other hand is sounding a lot like his buddy clusterfuck. God is on his side, because he sez so.
Thanks, rw. I would absolutely love to know what’s going on in Fitzgerald’s mind. Certainly, there is a 50-50 chance that he is developing a strategy to get them all. He took down the Governor in Illinois. He knows this goes all the way to the top. He must want to take them all down. May God bless him.
Today is Ascension Day. A day of holy obligation in the Catholic Church. Pat went to Mass today. May God go with him.
The first link about analysis at TalkLeft is broken. I think you meant this one?
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014938.html
The common thread between the Lay/Skilling verdicts and the Fitzgerald investigations/prosection of Libby, Cheney, Rove et. al. is spelled C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y.
These dishes take a while to cook, but they sure tickle the ribs when they finally go down!
this is a little unrelated,but it’s kind of important
according to roll call, the FBI is seeking to interview parties of Congress to see if they leaked information regarding the administration’s “potentially” unconstitutional nsa wiretap program (the same constitution that the administration now argues that only it has the authority to interpret, and apply.)
The administration engages in a potentially unconstitional activity, in express violation of a statute, and now it is using its own enforcement powers not to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” under Article II, but to take care that Congress does not disclose and potential violations of those laws, and potential consitutional violations to the people of the united states. the same citizenry which under our founding documents the government (including the executive) derives its sole power.
as for the anwar vote, this is a great strategy. let’s increase our oil supply, in order to inspire our decreased dependence upon it, and inspire the market to come up withalternatives. weh should be spending money NOT TO DRILL. its not about increasing domestic supplies, its about getting off of oil. the answer thing (and our other drilling handouts) are backwards.
very consistent with the bush administration’s record
Christy - The other thing that Fitzgerald appears to have done quite neatly before the grand jury is pre-empt the “I was only following orders” defense, by acknowledging quite succinctly that Fitzgerald already knows that Cheney was behind the whole campaign. By cutting right to the chase on that one, he leaves Irving in the middle of an “I showed up for class stark naked” waking nightmare - he has no defense.
The passage that starts at Line 9, Page 85, of Exhibit A is interesting. Irving answers one of Fitzgerald’s questions with, “I don’t recall the conversation (with Cheney) until after the Novak piece. I don’t recall it during the week of July 6. I recall it after the Novak conver - after the Novak article appeared I recall it.” (Parenthetical is mine.) Was that a slip of the tongue?
Reading through the grand jury testimony, it was painful to think that Irving was trying to sell - or anyone was buying - that there was all this stuff going on that he did remember, and there was this one area where he had a big blank. It just wasn’t believable, and I cannot imagine how they will build a defense that is any more believable even if they flesh it out with witnesses, especially given that they have telgraphed that their witnesses will be providing wholly irrelevant testimony.
As usual, thanks for the analysis and your clear head on these issues, not to mention where your heart is.
froggermarch- long time no see. That spelling reminds me:
CONS PIRACY
They’re stealing the country.
1: “Bush seals seized documents” - what’s going on behind the curtain here?
2: FDL extremely slow most of the afternoon, frequent timeouts. You’re probably already aware and working on it but just in case..
Wonder how much time they’ll get, particularly Kenny Boy. Isn’t it the case that, if you get sentenced to more than ‘x’ years, you don’t get to go to a Club Fed, you gotta go to a medium security actual (and fairly harsh) prison, despite the white collar crimes?
OT - Bush intervenes in the Jefferson documents case:
Bush Orders Seized Docs Sealed for 45 Days
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000752.php
Jack Cafferty was snarking around and used the phrase “the shooter and the scooter” to refer to the Veep and his poodle … (not that theres anything wrong with poodles!)
Christy, I’m curious about Addington’s place in all this as well. He’s been in the shadows of too many shady events. With the focus on Irving and Cheney, he seems to continue to live on the edges of all this, but my gut tells me he’s much closer to the center.
Anything more you can shed on him?
mommybrain (32) — I don’t think so, at least not based on the comments from the numerous folks chattering about this case at CNBC; it sounds like they’ve all heard him professing his Christian faith all along. But I don’t think they are cutting him any slack; if they are the first line in the court of public opinion, they are being rather firm, not generous with Lay. Ron Insana implied that Lay was clueless since Lay was taken by surprise, that so many people who were harmed by Enron’s fall were certainly not surprised by this conviction.
“%u2026Not the outcome we expected%u2026I still believe I am innocent of the charges%u2026I have a warm and Christian family to support me%u2026God is in control and works all things for the good%u2026″
Those words will come back to haunt him at sentencing time. Judges LUV contrition. And, I am pretty sure the sentencing guidelines provide for reductions for “accepting” responsible (although that might NOT apply after a guilty plea).
Kenny Boy’s favorite “Christian” prayer:
“Let Us Prey”
These guys (re: Kenny-boy et all) honestly think they are above it all, that someone, daddy, a friend in power, a judge, or if all else fails, God herself, will step in and save the day. Which is a good way to end up swinging from the rafters…
Yah, after Skilling’s testimony, I thought he’d given himself at least a shot shot at getting off. He blew a whole lot of smoke, and it looks like he managed to wiggle out of a few counts in the end. Lay was a complete disaster, though. Wonder who made the decision to put Skilling on before Lay. Kenny Boy - sanctimonious twerp to the end. God’s on my side. Yeah right. I’m betting his faith is going to be sorely tested as he lives out what’s left of his life in a violent, overcrowded and underfunded Texas penal facility.
OfT, but the FBI may want to interview Congresscritters about Risen’s and Priest’s stories, since so few had this information. CNN says this, of course, presents no separation of powers issues….
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....index.html
And I call “peanut-ologism” on pocketses. Am I right, RH?
Ed n stedd - If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I’m not, I’m thinking that:
1. Abu went after Jefferson’s congressional office records;
2. Chimpy would then put things on hold due to “separation of powers” concersn (doesn’t concern’em anywhere else, why now?);
3. All congressional records kept in congressional offices are now off limits to the DoJ;
4. The repug congressman under investigations can breathe a sigh of relief;
5. Blame it on the Dem’s (cause Jefferson is a Dem) and/or “there is nothing political about this, he’s a Dem.”
But I’m not a conspiracy theorist.
TeddySanFran: Oh? I call Ringer on Pocketses.
“what does he have in his pocketses, my precious?”
–Gollum
Mommybrain at 30
LHP cannot count all the many times she has failed to type what she was trying to type.
So, if it is breaking news when I fail, that would require a news break virtually every post.
I seem to have aparticular probalem with adding or subtraction “not”..
BTW it should have been “Note that Ms Bonemici has a byline” not “Not”. Argggh.
Mike V at 15 — I meant “serious-ass teaser” — although the other option would be awfully amusing…
EPU:
4. The repug congressman under investigations can breathe a sigh of relief;
…and start shredding. They have 45 days. Or forever, whichever comes first.
….that might not apply after a jury finds you guilty.
If you pled out, then contrition is available, usually.
bbuster at 17 — one thing at a time — it’s been a hella day and I’m taking my time through the Waas article. It’s gooood.
Evil Parallel Universe 51 -
That was MY immediate thought. Lot more GOP congresscritter who gotta be nervous about FBI raids on their offices than Dems.
47# BobbyG says
May 25th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Kenny Boy’s favorite “Christian” prayer:
“Let Us Prey”
my favorite:
“Oh Jesus; Protect Us from your Followers”
Great post, Christy and thanks for the effort today and everyday. Irving is a worm on the hook, that is all. Hope he lures some more of the administration down to the bottom where he’s been feeding for so long– he could use the company!
looseheadprop @22
Interesting point. Maybe Libby’s motions have gotten so lame Fitz has lost interest…
8-)
Anne at 37:
Tin foil hat time. Could the “Novak conversation” slip of tongue perhaps refer to the Rove/Novack conversation Waas wrote about?
Did Rove tell the rest of the WHIG that Novak was gonna cover for them?
Anne, you may have hit on something there?
CNN seems to be ALL OVER EVERYTHING today - Ken Lay, immigration bill anymosities, new Fitz filings, Bush sealing the FBI’s Jefferson stuff, Denny Hastert’s legal threats to ABC, on and on…
Except for 2 things:
- the “insignificant” little bit that involves Novakula
- any mention of George W. Bush as related to Kennyboy Lay - corporate jets, millions of dollars in donations going back years and years - but obviously no connection there. Move on…
It seems to me it’s not just the Bush administration that engages in “cherry picking.”
mommybrain at 24 — that was just my own personal punchiness showing through, I think. lol I’m feeling the need to curl up with some popcorn and a movie this weekend. Plus, who could resist the Hobbit/LOTR reference when it was dangling out there like that? *g*
Raw story thinks they found something special and important in the Fitz filing that no one else noticed:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0525.html
methinks that Fitz is signalling to Libby that Cheney is sunk….and that Libby can get on a lifeboat, or go down with the ship.
Somehow, we are supposed to believe that although Cheney had told Libby that Plame was CPD well before the Novak column came out, that the “junket question” was only asked after Novak’s column.
I’d bet big money that Fitz knows when Cheney made his notes (hey Tom, $100 to you/mine favorite political cause on this one) — and it wasn’t after Novak’s column came out. (Hell, I’d even venture to guess that the annotated column was created during the AFII meeting to discuss the “response” to Wilson’s Op-ed).
Increasingly, it appears to me that Fitz has a lot more proof of Libby’s lies on a plethora of subjects (like Cheney), and indicted Libby on the “heard it from reporters” lies to give Libby the opportunity to flip. If it goes to trial, a whole passle of Libby’s lies will be exposed, and those other lies will guarantee that Libby is convicted of the five charges in the indictment itself.
EPU, Sounds about right. I think you win today’s reasonable-sounding conspiracy award. I’ve been wondering how the GOP will play Jefferson to show that there’s no crocked elephants after all.
Love the Moby Dick pic. Perfect. Moby Dick was ubiquitous - far more places than Ahab could imagine - which it seems Fitz has been. And then lethal when found, consuming Ahab and leaving Irving, er Ishmael clinging to a coffin to survive after Moby sinks the administration, er, the Pequod.
Of course we have to reverse Meville’s use of white for evil to white for good in this instance!
As for the VP noted OpEd, I’d bet either/both Addington or Gonzo. Maybe Addington had it and gave it to Gonzo, who uses it for both of them.
I think Fitz will have something to say tommorow. Somehting like, “You can’t close the door when the walls caved in.”
Which seems to be the meme of the moment. Allover the place.
Christ… I started my comment when there were only 24 (read the exhibits first)….and forty comments show up before my contribution! :)
who could resist the Hobbit/LOTR reference when it was dangling out there like that? *g*
That is right Christy - Fitz holds the ring of power, and like Bilbo, he can’t be corrupted by its power and will relinquish it with relief when his time to guard it safely has passed.
Why does the Solicitor Gen have the Jefferson docs instead of Gonzales or McNulty or, if you are going to seal, a Judge?
Still hilarious that this is what motivates Frist and Hastert - a search WITH WARRANT.
Waas sure has an interesting story and it sounds like someone is sure trying to a) make Rove look as good as they can (he mentioned the Novak call when he was first interviewed, he thought the whole thing was odd, he told the GH about the call first time up, etc.) and the ability to do anything about cooked stories to be a foregone conclusion - too tough to prove details from a private conversation.
All of which makes you wonder what Novak said, and also wonder a little bit more about the Missing Ralston. Where those calls logged or not. Would she have been able to hear any of the conversations? Was there anyone after the call to whom Karl might have said - Novak told me he’ll never give up his sources (wink nudge) etc. And how is it coming out now?
I wondered if the wording in the article about Ashcroft was typos or just stilted or deliberately parsing - that he did not repond “through a spokesperson.” Does that mean he responded — directly? Through an unofficial spokesperson? Through an identity undisclosed detainee, now rendered to the bowels of the Great Pyramid where he will have help fulfilling his promise to stay mum?
Re: the filing. The AFII part caught my eye too and it would be a second reason to call Cheney, wouldn’t it?
PS - Not very credible spec, but under the heading of wouldn’t it be nice - what if Ralston is tied up with the Abramoff investigation and working a deal and part of the delay is that Fitzgerald also wants her to testify before his GH and is waiting for her deal in those related matters to get ribbons and bows?
Paul L - Good theory, and not only b/c it agrees with what I’ve said all along: It is fair to assume that Fitz has way more evidence then we (or anyone else except some of the conspirators themselves) know about.
Christy - David Broder called. Can you confirm or deny that the whale in question is a sperm whale?
lhp - if I have hit on anything, I am not alone. I read the response and went through the exhibits with a highlighter, and when I got to that part about the “conver-” I heard a little bell go off in my head.
Shortly after that, I went over to next hurrah, and found that emptywheel apparently had a similar moment. It sticks out pretty glaringly, at least in my opinion.
Time will tell.
Emptywheel
First, I gotta tell you, I’m such a fan.
Second, Ms. Bonemici is a pretty serious lawyer in her own right. This is no slough off.
No, I think the Fitzter is tied up with the Daley City Hall hiring case in Chicago. This is a critical case for him. Unlike the Ryan case, which was already in the works when he came to the office, the City Hall case is his baby.
Also, the Chicago Alderman have been trying out the slime I expect to see next from Rove, to wit, Fitz is trying to crimnlaize political disagreement whcih should be settled in the voting booth not the courtroom.
Bush the First used it on Walsh and it nearly killed him. It is also realtd to the Inspector Javert meme they keep trotting out every 8 or 9 months. (Sometimes with s dash of “he has no sense of perspective” “well meaning but too myopic” and “why ISN’T he married” which looks on it’s face like a variation on the myopyc them,but with a tasty little hint of homophobia)
The Daly case is probably as important to him as this case. If you are a sometime reader of the ChiTrib, you will see that the Aldermen have been spinning like tops. Scooter is just making dumb motions and they are months away from trial. The City Hall hiring scandal is on trial now. if you were Pat, where would your attention be?
That Raw Story link highlights something I was curious about up in Christy’s post. I wondered if this:
“Therefore, the annotations corroborate the governments other evidence..”
..deserved a bold of it’s own. Or is Raw Story as ignorant as I am and we already know about that “other evidence”?
BobbyG 47 *g*
I think Ken still has his Bank Fraud charges being handled before a judge, doesn’t he?
Let us break bank together while we prey?
…not to mention that it took me another look to notice the headline is a play on perhaps the best lede in American (possibly English) literary history.
Good on ya, Christy!
Mary - Re Ralston - that is credible speculation. Ralston is an underling - they would cut her a deal in one prosecution for help in another, assuming she isn’t already on the hook for both. That assumes she has something useful to add, but that seems like a fair assumption.
OTOH - I don’t think anything that has been reported helps Rover. But thats me.
I have a hunch that Fitz is a LOTR kind of guy, myself. . .
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.
–Bilbo Baggins
In my mind, I can see that framed, hanging on the wall behind his desk. The “I cannot say” part certainly sounds like him!
Mary -
LOL!
Prey-lude to hard time. He’s gotta get at least 15-20 years, I would think.
Timewarp - Ummmmmm. The “Ring of Power” is the product of and a tool for evil. It corrupts whomever possesses it. I am not sure that you want to make that analogy re: the incorruptable Fitz.
I take my Tolkien analogies very seriously.
jwr at 78 — I read the “government’s other evidence” bit as other G/J testimony, statements, documentary evidence, etc., in their possession — including the possibility of Cheney’s statement pointing a finger at Irving on this — as in the annotations were, indeed, marching orders. Which, in my mind, made the whole “all” in quotes all the more intriguing. Does that mean they have some evidence that Cheney ordered the outing of Plame and, if so, does Fitz now have evidence that he did so knowing that she was covert? Because THAT would be worth a whole helluva lot of popcorn, right there. *g*
EPU - of course it is because it confers absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutely! But like Gandalf - and Bilbo on a certain level - Fitz knows that and he won’t try to use it to become more than what he is, and will hand it over when his task is complete.
Scooter is Gollum. Cheney is Sauraman. They covet it and can’t have it because the hobbit has it.
lhp - I’ve come to love the typos that come with passionate and/or toothy comments.
OT..but you all have to read this from a Prof. of the New School…He claims there was racial profilling outside of the Garden(one Arab grduate was not permitted to enter) and students signs were confiscated…Gee now that is some Maverick they had speaking ther!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....21606.html
Cristy, 85 -
You don’t mean to cynically imply that the VICE PRESIDENT of the United States would, with malicious intent, order the release of the identity of a covered CIA employee?
???
;)
If Cheney did that (Christy @ 85), then Bush needs to resign too and then be impeached. No way he didn’t know or should have known…
sheesh, a mutual admiration society! Timmeh on Tweety and he leads with Hill and Bill.
Speaking of the Waas article, I’d love to see someone juxtapose these two events (or series of statements):
Christy @ 85 - Thanks so much. If it weren’t for you and all these other fine folks, I wouldn’t have a clue.
Another question: what’s the legal significance of 45 days? The domestic spying was to undergo a 45 day review. The dubai ports deal a 45 day waiting period, and now Bush locks down the Jefferson papers for 45 days. (Sorry, one semester of HS law was as far as I got.)
Whig. Until WHIG is on the lips of Couric, Schiffer, and Gibson we are swimming upstream.
Reading this, it appears they hit the Grand Slam of ‘jackpots’. Or trifecta or quinella (whatever that is).
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“The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”
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Looks to me they hit all the bases.
Hardball just starting and on this day of Enron convictions, Blair in town to meet with Bush, Hastert under or not investigation, Bush rushing to recognize separation of powers at last by putting 45 day hold on Jefferson’s file…cooperating in a coverup?
And what’s TOPIC ONE on Tweety and Timmeh’s agenda? Bill and HIll’s personal lives.
Shame, shame, shame. Boycott Russert’s book.
EPU 81 - I don’t think it did help Rove, esp as reported by Waas, but I do think some of it sounds as if it was made available by someone who was trying to help Rove. It specifically mentions that he told the FBI all about the “odd” Novak call in his very first interview and that he also discussed the “odd” Novak call in his first GJ appearance. WOW - what a cooperative up front guy? Or would that be more a hmmmmmm, why so cooperative and upfront about Novak, who called you up after the investigation was announced, but so cagey re: Cooper? ;-) It does make the Cooper thing look worser and worser IMO - by contrast with the remarkable forthrightness in anteing up on Novak.
I gotta think that Ralston is on someone’s line re: Abramoff. She knows him and his operation; at least one of the acknowledged WH trips was to see Rove; there is the whole very strange situation re: Black and the relationship between Rove and Ashcroft over the years and possibly in connection with Abramoff (the Abramoff emails that Ashcroft was pretty much in the pocket, but his underlings were a concern) and the notices to DOJ faxed up by Black followed by allegedly some contacts by Abramoffs people with Rove and suddenly a new USAtty for Guam/Marianas - etc. And the way she has fallen off the radar - it’s like all kinds of people like having her off the radar.
But I know wishful thinkging when I think it - for one thing, I quit squinting.
Took so long to load my message that I was busily editing it when it flew into the ether.
Further thoughts: Boycott Russert’s book for 30 days. Send a message.
Sealing Jefferson’s FBI file seems to give Rethugs like Hastert and others a preemptive precedent to protect their own asses…and the prez’s.
As those clear-eyed, determined, shining with honesty Houston prosecutors showed in one case today…justice will out.
Isn’t it the Pino and the Poodle day today? The day when both GW Clusterfuck and his much abused lap canine make their ass saving speech together about how swell things are going in Iraq and how soon we’ll be able to bring (some) troops home?
One must at a minimum give the poodle credit for having the balls to go to Iraq- something GW Clusterfuck has never done- unless you count the midnight plastic turkey foray.
Boycott Russert’s book for thirty days? I can do better than that- I’ll boycott it for all eternity!
Thank you Mommybrain
Christy, Love the “Call me Irving” I may have to needlepoint that on a pillow.
Mary strikes again.
You have got some steal trap memory woman! I don’t think your theory is that farfetched at all. It would also explain a few things.
This is kinda like doing a crossword puzzle, Seeing if the theory fits the number of spaces alotted for it in the puzzle, Seeing if it works woth the theories or known facts at right angles with it.
So, let’s pencil in (yes, I do crosswords in pencil, not like he big guy– and probably Mary–with the memory to do them ink) this theory and see how it works with the next developments.
Best question for the inevitable press conference:
“So when do you, President Chickenshit, plan to visit the new government in Baghdad as the Prime Minister just did?”
It’s like watching an especially well played game of chess, with a very skilled but patient player against a showy grandstander who has one or two tricks, but misses the bigger picture.
The showy loudmouth starts off by dominating the game, playing to capture some pieces at the outset, looking for intimidation. Meanwhile the other player patiently plays toward the final outcome.
Then, the showoff starts to realize something’s wrong, that the other player isn’t really playing defense, then the magnitude of his predicament starts to set in. It’s very pretty to watch.
The real stubborn ones play until checkmate, but the more savvy players will concede before it becomes extremely, painfully obvious that they’ve been outplayed every step of the way.
I’m beginnning to think Irving is the first.
new thread - old shit