
Atrios has written a very important post today on why we should be alarmed at this latest breathless girly gossip about Hillary Clinton. I have received a lot of emails and comments to the effect that Hillary is a (fill in the blank) and so deserves itand therefore we should all be happy that the New York Times is doing God’s work by destroying her candidacy. This is a very short sighted and historically clueless way to look at this. We call these "Clinton Rules" but they are not really about the Clintons — it’s about the press corps and the way they treat Democrats.
Atrios says;
[T}he broader issue … is that the mainstream media has long had multiple conflicting and inconsistent standards when it comes to the private lives of public figures, especially politicians and members of their own club. More than that it presents yet another mainstream media corrupt habit of making something news for no particular reason and then pretending that the story just appeared out of nowhere, even when in this case there is literally no semi-legitimate hook for it. In this case it’s doubly corrupt because it’s The Paper of Record, which as we all know is liberal, so that gives additional license for the rest of the corporate press to jump on the story. There’s also the little issue of the press’s history with the Clintons, where at some point there was no personal detail, no matter how poorly sourced, which was not considered to be legitimate news. One would’ve liked to have thought that post-Monica Madness this little habit was beaten out of them, that maybe they even had a few regrets, though it’s clear again that it’s not the case. The Clinton Rules of Journalism never left us.
And, finally, it puts on display the utter vapidity of the press corps we’re dealing with. If Dean Broder, who has been covering Washington since 1820, can’t sit through a 45 minute speech on energy policy, and the press on Air Force One would rather watch King Kong than the Hayden hearings, while they devote their time and resources to a long 50-source article about how often the Clintons are getting busy, then we have a problem, and it’s not something we’re going to clear up at a blogger ethics panel.
And I would add that there is another equally pernicious dimension to this. This tabloidization of political news is almost exclusively focused on Democrats and gives the impression that the left is unserious. John Kerry’s butler and his strange, wealthy wife. Dean’s flinty personality and odd, reclusive wife. Gore’s pathological lying and his phony manhood. The list goes on. It’s all very "entertaining" but it makes people associate Democrats with celebrities in the most shallow sense.
I do not believe this comes out of nowhere. There has long been a cottage industry of GOP operatives who pass along these juicy tidbits to the press (and I assume the entire social network in DC) who eagerly open their little beaks and swallow it. This Hillary story on the front page of the NY Times seems to have come completely out of nowhere. There’s no new hook, yet the story says that "prominent Democrats" are all atwitter wondering about the state of Clinton’s marriage and what it might mean. Well gosh, if they weren’t before they certainly are now. The whole beltway high school circle jerk society are suddenly beside themselves.
I would remind people of a little story from the 2000 election as documented by the Daily Howler. Here’s Margaret Carlson:
Gore’s fabrications may be inconsequential—I mean, they’re about his life. Bush’s fabrications are about our life, and what he’s going to do. Bush’s should matter more but they don’t, because Gore’s we can disprove right here and now…You can actually disprove some of what Bush is saying if you really get in the weeds and get out your calculator or you look at his record in Texas. But it’s really easy, and it’s fun, to disprove Gore.
What this does is trivialize liberals. The press corps projects its own shortcomings on to Democrats and then attacks them for it. The silly, insubstantial (idea-less) tabloid mentality is pasted to the Democratic image which allows the Republicans to present themselves as the serious ones (even mental midgets who say things like "is our children learning" or "OBGYN’s can’t show love to their patients.") The "grown-ups are back" meme, which was very successful for Bush and Cheney in 2000 would have been impossible without the press having spent eight years covering the white house like Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee lived there.
That was the mentality of the DC press corps as it existed up to the 2000 election when suddenly the coverage became all about Bush’s tremendous integrity and seriousness. And the shot across the bow from the NY Times this week (and the giggly reactions among the chattering class) tells us that the Clinton Rules are in full effect.
For those of you who missed this peek at the patented seventh grade Mean Girl style of the kewl kidz, check out the transcript for Chris Matthews this past Tuesday. He spent more than half the show squealing and giggling with his guests like he had the latest copy of Tiger Beat in his hands. He, like Broder and the New York Times also breathlessly passed along the name of this canadian politician whom we are all apparently supposed to assume is servicing Bill Bill’s needs these days.
I particularly liked this bit, aided and abetted by none other than good guy Bob Herbert who apparently thinks it’s just fine for the news media to decide who can and cannot be elected president:
HERBERT: I can make one other point. The fact that we‘re talking about the Clintons‘ marriage here I think is just that kind of discussion, the story in The Times today is really harmful for Hillary‘s presidential chances, because I think that there is a real hunger for change in this country politically, and I think if we keep harping on that, and I think it is a legitimate story, but I mean, if the media does keep harping on that, there will be a tendency among the electorate to say, you know, enough already. We‘re going to move on. We may move in a different direction.
MATTHEWS: It may be like putting on the old bad tire that you‘ve gotten fixed a few times on your car. We‘re back again where we started. Do you think there is a fatigue out there of the Bushes and the Clintons together like for years we‘ve had the Bushes, we had Nixon all the time, now we‘ve got the Clintons all around us, do you think, Michael, that people are tired of this bunch?
The old Cokie Roberts defense: "It doesn’t matter if its true ot not, it’s out there" is back with a vengeance now that Democrats are becoming relevant again. And the New York Times put it "out there." It seems they’ve decided for us that Hillary won’t do. Perhaps we could skip all this unpleasant untidiness with elections and whatnot and they can just tell us now who we are allowed to have as candidates and we can save some money. And if, as I suspect, John McCain has been chosen by the journalistic pooh-bahs to be the it-boy of 2008, it’s better to know this in advance so that we can do what we have to do to tell the whole story.
If you read the entire transcript (or saw the show) you’ll notice that Chris quite obviously holds up his marriage as being superior to the Clintons. I sure hope he doesn’t have any dirty laundry he doesn’t want all over the internet. There was no blogosphere the last time these puerile panty sniffers had a go. There is now.



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I want to do something about this this time. Earlier I proposed delivering a box of panties to Broder. Maybe that’s a dumb idea, but I’d like to hear some ideas about what we can do.
Fitz!
And go, Digby! I am so tired of trivializing and tabloidizing — actually the beginning of MoDo’s snide comments about Hillary and Gore got me more than Tweety or the Times front pager.
And somehow it bothers me even more with Hillary, because there’s that faint odor of gender bias about it — it’s more important to know about her marriage because she’s the wife and so of course we need to consider her husband here.
Leisureguy!!!
fitz!
Thanks Digby! Matthews has Timmeh on his show this evening and opened with Hill and Bill. blech.
Just for the record, the Canadian politician came to be muhc reviled (I think in general the Labor scandal, but also she had a music lobbyist writing DMR law in her office) but lost her seat in Jan election up north.
I recently canceled my subscription to my local paper (The Register Guard) because I object to paying for the sort of treatment the “legitimate press” has been handing out. It’s not that I object to hearing viewpoints I disagree with, it’s that I object to paying for people attempting to bamboozle me with verbiage.
This story goes to the heart of the political problem we have in this country. It is not primarily a George W. Bush problem. It is not primarily a Republican problem.
It is primarily a press problem.
If voters are deceived as to the basic facts about their government and about the politicians competing to run that government, how can a democracy function? Answer: it cannot. The U.S. media criminals have definitely proved that over the last five years.
umm…add ’s’ and spell ‘much’? (note to kludgy fingers)
Bout time for the media to remind us of the close connection between Clusteerfuck and Lay- and how Clusterfuck claimed to have never met Kenny Boy. That should be good for a sniff.
This particularly irritated me:
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MATTHEWS: Well I hate being away from my wife more than a day or two, but thank you, Mike. You obviously don’t mind that at all. Anyway, Bob Herbert, you go home and face her now.
“Primarilly a press problem”
No- as Walter Cronkite observed recently- the problem is that the american people are too stupid to elect their own leaders.
Hi guys,
Have not been feeling too well lately so haven’t read or written much, but how about sending — no, deluging — these creeps with some sort of picture of a keyhole. You know, with a cutout through which they could …
So we have the “day or two” test.
It’s normal to enjoy being away from your spouse for a day or two- maybe get a little strange nookie- throw down a few with the boys- hit the white ball around- but if you enjoy being away longer- well then yer a sick fuck!
Thanks, Digby. My post this morning was more ad hominem fastball and warning. You post, and Christy’s, lay out the case why this is about more than Broder and pants suits. Salut!
Digby,
loved the post. Especailly the part about how it trivializes Dems.
You know that line from Primary Colors? On a level playing feild we win because our ideas are better?
Well not if no one hears your ideas. If if some wisper of you ideas start to break through, then distract them with “look over here at the nice brite shiny sex talk”
Plus the Clinton ules approach has the added benefit of scaring off quality candidates.
hi dannyboy! I hope you feel better soon and that it is nothing serious. Missed you.
The Broder pantsuit comment just irks me. it reminded me of the campaign, before she cut her hair, when they did the hairdo of the week reports.
How freakin sexist!
Digby – Nice post. The blogs need to hit back hard on this. It will be very interesting to see what the NYT ombudsman says on Sunday, if he mentions it at all.
MSNBC alert just popped about John Snow but I inadvertently zapped it instead of opening.
Interesting that Tweety and Timmeh, such fine figures of fatherhood and marital priorities both, see nothing wrong with twittering like 12-year-olds about Chelsea’s father’s sex life.
Shame on them. Boycott Russert’s book for 30 days. Send a message. #1 on Amazon? Send a message there, too.
Matthews has Timmeh on his show this evening and opened with Hill and Bill. blech.
There’s a meeting of the minds. I rarely watch these shows anymore, ’cause I get so riled up by the “well, of course this is good news for the President” that begins every conversation from Iraq to new record low polls to the conviction of KennyBoy Lay (not kidding: See MediaMatters). But if Punkinhedd is shilling his new Chicken Soup for the Souls of Middle-Aged Men With Lingering Daddy Issues, then I’ll definitely be spending a lot more time in the garden for the next few weeks.
Well, for everyone in the threads below who was counseling moderation, and no tit-for-tat and complaining about the vitriol of some of our responses: I see from other comments (I am at work and cannot see a TV) that Tweety has Broder on his show and they’re talking about the NYT article. They got out the Vaseline, kleenex and latex gloves and they’re having themselves a good old-fashioned circle j*rk over the story. By ignoring it, by hoping that everyone will just rise above, by not making Healy or anyone at the NYT pay a price for it, we’ve allowed it to grow. Anyone want to bet what they’ll be talking about this Sunday on Meet the Press, Face the Nation and This Week?
So far the american people have gotten a free ride for the havoc that their disinterest, lack of attention, wishful thinking, greed, and buffoonery have cost themselves and the world. That should stop.
You caused this mess you dumb fucks. You listened to the brain damaged son of a guy you booted out of office as he blew smoke up your asses- told you you were God’s chosen people- that you didn’t HAVE to pay any taxes- and that laws or no laws- you could invade any fuckin part of the earth you wanted with impunity. You were there when the craven idiot amended the laws of physics and told you that you could pollute at will and it wouldn’t cause any problems. You stood there silently when the criminal told you that energy conservation could not be a part of public policy and that you had a God given right to burn up as much gasoline as you liked and fart it back out your tailpipes.
You have behaved irresponsibly- you even elected the insane motherfucker to a second term. Now when he breaks the law by spying on you- endangering the constitution you elected him to defend- you nod along silently sayin “yeah- you need to protect us from terrorism” and go back to “American Idol”.
You deserve everything you are getting you ignorant putzes!
Maybe the NYT article is payback for Hillary hanging with Rupert.
Fucking Tweety just called Howard Dean “head of the Democratic National Committee, which does not engage in gossip”
What a fuckwit.
Jersey Tomato
Are you now a convert to the Chicago Way?
And what are the odds that the NYT ombudsman decidesnot to mention it at all? I’d say 7 to 1.
But maybe it doesn’t matter any more. The NYT didn’t mention Colbert either and yet somehow, the news got out.
Gotta love that final paragraph. Particularly the lack of lubricant…
RWCole,
Not that you seem to need fuel for the fire in your belly this night, but today the House voted to allow drilling in the Artic Wildlife Refuge.
The very last bit of pristine USA and there gonna build mining roads and drill for stinking oil. How much you wanna bet, soon as it’s signed into law, the price of gas goes back below $3?
Well, Harris did respond to my question today in the Wapoo Political Hour with WATB it wasn’t me– huff and puff ptooey.
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ew Hampshire: Thanks for taking my question, Mr. Harris!
I read David Broder’s piece on Hillary Clinton and was shocked to find that he did not cover the very detailed speech she made with regard to energy and her ideas for getting us weaned off oil. I found her speech very interesting, indeed. Instead he focused on what she wore and the titillating piece in the NYT focusing on the Clinton’s marriage. Just what do you think that the NYT and Mr. Broder are thinking?
We are a nation deeply divided and engaged in 2 wars that are going badly, our government officials are involved in very real corruption and crimes, real people are in an economic crisis, etc. Why bring up the Clinton’s private lives? Will the MSM cover the Bush’s private lives next week? Enquiring minds want to know……
John F. Harris: There are lots of questions on this theme this morning.
It’s not my job to comment on NYX stories, and David’s columns run on the editorial page and Washington Post syndicate, so they are not edited by me. We’ll post the column about Hillary Clinton to which you are referring.
David does come on line regularly, so next time he’s here you can ask him directly.
I will say that the questions he was raising seemed motivated not by prurient interest in their private lives but the political implications of the widespread public curiosity about their partnership. As someone who covered the Clinton White House, I can testify that I am often asked about both the personal and political dimensions of this partnership.
As far as the details of her speech, the Post did write a full story in the news section by my colleague Dan Balz, on the substance of what she is recommending about energy.
We’ll post that as well.
We are, all of us, now playing by Clinton Rules.
About everyone.
Fair warning.
.
What a pathetic fucking culture we live in, where, both the presidential and vice presidential candidates , are criticized for having the temerity to allude to the sexual orientation of the vice presidents daughter, in response to an issue that the VP’s campaign touted , while its perfectly acceptable for the uber-liberal New York fucking Times to go frollicking around in Hillarys underwear drawer.We are a starfucking country.
It was on the front page of the NYT, so it must be more than gossip.
Sound familar?
By getting the MSM to bite, it is now “fair game.” The Return of the Clenis.
*ilson 3 – I met Betty Currie at a jazz club a while back. She’s really a nice woman. Socks the cat lives with her now.
I think this post points to why Froomkin is appreciated so much in certain quarters – he tries to cover the White House and hold them accountable, and he also tries to hold the press accountable for doing their job. He had a blast lately getting readers to send in serious questions – tough Q’s, w/o snark – for Tony Snow’s first presser. Good stuff, and the questions actually asked by the press came up pretty tame in comparison.
Where else is this kind of media coverage happening? I’m having a hard time finding it. HuffPost’s weekly Russert watch does its thing at the beginning of each week, but that’s fairly limited. Josh Marshall focuses on DC as well, but looks more at the players (Congresscritters, lobbyists, unnamed senior admin officials, etc.) and less at the media. MediaMatters does a good job, but it’s pretty scattered, taking on all comers.
Contrast that approach with Froomkin’s. His beat is the White House and coverage thereof, and so he stays focused (pretty much) on that.
If I was looking for a blog like Froomkin’s that focuses on Capitol Hill and the media coverage there (such as it is), where would I go?
new thread already
Great post, Digby.
There is only one answer to the “Clinton Rules”. All the DC corporate media should now be fair game . As Kos pointed out in a post on dKos, let’s find out if these guys live in glass houses.
Let’s dig dirt on the sex lives and marriages of Chris Matthews, Bill Keller, Art Sulzberger, Hannity, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch, Cokie Roberts, Katie Couric, Bill O’Reilly, etc. Let’s see how well they take to their personal lives making round trips on the internet.
Pach, good on you! Atrios, good on you! Go after these guys, give them a taste of their own medicine.
YEEEEAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!
Let’s pick one and go at ‘em hammer and tongs. You know, object lesson.
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Great points Digby. Everyone of them.
To me much of this sounds like the Ahnold meme. The dems are girly men and the rethugs (even the females like Condi and Jean Fitzpatrick) are real he-men.
If you think about it, this is exactly what the Nazis were saying in the 20’s and early 30’s. I saw a program on PBS which narrated the Nazi’s rise to power to their defeat the other night. So much of how he saw the world is far too familiar.
“We [nazi’s] are strong, we have been persecuted by the Jews. We are noble, the english are weak … on and on for over 20 years.
This whole thing makes me ill. But you know what? People are people and will always enjoy talking about peoples’ sex life and the VP shooting someone more than real issues. So the Dems, in other words, need to get real and GIVE THEM SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT. Something substantive, like a national health care system. Something simple and easy to understand, something dramatic and interesting, not the same old tax cuts or half-solutions.
Again, it doesn’t matter whether or not legislation gets passed. What matters is that they stop talking about the Dems’ sex life, that they stop asking them if they can handle national security, stop asking them why they hate America. TAKE CHARGE for once and change the national debate!
Sometime in the dark days of the early W. years, Gwen took the Washington Week panel on the road to hear what the “people were thinking”.
It was years ago, so I can’t really remember the city. I do, however, remember one exchange because it was so stunning in it’s rudeness.
Broder was on the panel. Gwen was gushing about how he was her mentor. They were discussing the economy. This was in the dark days after 9/11 when all was not well economically. A woman of the “people” (a woman of color) stood up and said that she and those she knew were not doing very well in the Bush economy and she wanted to discuss what could be done to better their condition.
Broder called her out. Really. He told here that the polls said that people were happy with Bush and his stewardship of the economy, and therefore she must be mistaken that “the people” were not happy with the economy.
Seriously.
Broder not only told this woman what she should want, he told her what she should think…just because that is what the polls said that “the poeple” think.
This was when the panel went on the road to hear the opinions of “the people”.
I almost threw my shoe at the TV. I wrote an angry letter to Gwen, but clearly nothing has changed.
This event was an eyeopener for me. The unmitigabed rudeness and hubiris literally took my breath away.
And nothing has changed.
Screw them! How dare they tell us what to think just because some idiot phrased some poll question to get the answers they wanted, then projected the result on us and called our opinions wrong if we dare to agree.
I repeat.
screw them!
Great.
Tweety sez the closest thing we have to a “front-runner” for the 2008 nomination is “an old bad tire you’ve gotten fixed a few times on your car.” Leaving simple good manners aside (because they did so a long time ago) is it too much to ask for an adult dialogue? Or, as I saw somewhere else yesterday, must we turn the 2008 Presidential race into a reality show in order to get the media and America to pay attention?
Tweety just went through this “issue” one more time with Howard Dean. Matthews has sucked this one down, and he’s gonna swallow.
Thank God Howard Dean told him it was stupid, it was gossip, and he’s going to shoot it down when he can.
But Howard can’t do this all by himself. And Tweety is no where near satisfied about what kind of panties Hillary wears.
Thanks, Angie.
It seems to me that there are, quite simply, two sets of rules: one for them, and one for us (them = all Repubs and media plus most Dems). Anything they do is ok, and anything we do is, well, you fill in the blanks but it’s never anything nice.
So we’ve got these rules, plus lazy media and cowardly/inert Democratic incumbents. Anything we do has simply got to accept these things as givens, and go on from there.
What, btw, happened to Kobe, and where is Wolcott?
Jane, dreaded error 404 on new post when going to page two.
I vote for angry mobbage.
BTW Digby, you rock and thanks for guest starring on this blog! :)
angie, that was your question this morning?! That was great!
yeah,what happened to Wolcott?
When Chris Matthews lived in San Francisco he frequented a Pre-op Tranny bar called the Black Rose. Guess what he was looking for there?
at #41 I meant to say that the program was narrated in the words of Goebbles (sp?) diaries.
i was reverse EPU’d
I’m getting some crazy effects on the Web site. I saw an article posted above this one–”Any Way You Want It, Karl” and it had 2 comments, but I couldn’t get into the comments, and now the article has disappeared. Evil parallel universe, indeed! (Sorry, EPU, nothing personal)
The house votes to drill in Alaska EVERY year- it’s the seasonal drilling issue:
“WASHINGTON — Citing the public outcry over $3-a-gallon gasoline and America’s heavy reliance on foreign oil, the House on Thursday voted to open an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling, knowing the prospects for Senate approval were slim.
Drilling proponents argued that the refuge on Alaska’s North Slope would provide 1 million barrels a day of additional domestic oil at peak production and reduce the need for imports.
But opponents to developing what environmentalists argue is a pristine area where drilling will harm caribou, polar bears and migratory birds, said Congress should pursue conservation and alternative energy sources that would save more oil than would be tapped from the refuge.
The House voted 225-201 to direct the Interior Department to open oil leases on the coastal strip of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge _ an area of 1.5 million acres that is thought likely to hold about 11 billion barrels of recoverable oil.
But the action may be little more than symbolic. Arctic refuge development, while approved by the House five times, repeatedly has been blocked in the Senate where drilling proponents have been unable to muster the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.”
Next will be the flag burning amendment, and the no marriage between persons with dicks amendment.
“Pre-op Tranny bar”?
Man! My life is SO boring.
If they ever wanted to talk about my sex life, it’d be a short conversation, and a cure for insomnia.
Same here — I tried to get to the extended page and got the same message. And it is GONE now. What gives?
Kobe had torsion of his stomach and had surgery and is doing ok– hopefully home with Jane now and resting with Mama. Jane was in OK when it happened and flew straight home and hopefully, Kobe and Mama are resting quietly now.
Thanks, TeddySanFran ;). I try to write in often, and often am too snarky or too transparent to get posted. Trying to strike the balance, all the time.
Pre-op Tranny bar called the Black Rose
????
Is that pre operation transexual?- or something about hot rods?
It went up by accident too soon – we’re having lingering server issues. It will be back later. We try to time these for the community.
Thanks again for your patience.
i guess the next post isn’t ready for public eyes. We want the truth… but we can’t handle the truth! :)
Here’s one of my favorite quotes from Patrick Healy, the NYT author of that Clinton piece, in a self-confessional interview about what journalism means to him.
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?id=4896
Ah, idealistic youth. (I kinda like what he says there, even though he seems to have forgotten his own sage advice.)
Gee, I wonder what he finds so “personally meaningful” about the marital habits of someone who, well, isn’t him.
What’s his investment here? And what’s his level of responsibility now that he’s “judged” this information and found it worth having “presented?”
(My guess is that his answer involves the word “paycheck.”)
Digby Rules.
The Clinton Rules Apply All around idea is good, but i would not direct it at the media whores.
I would direct it, surgicaly at key republicans. If you direct it at the media, they won’t publish it!!!!!!!
If you direct it at the Republicans, it might get published AND the media can then congratulate itself for being FAIR
Let me be clear: Investigating and prosecuting crime is a crucial executive responsibility that I take seriously,” he said. “Those who violate the law — including a member of Congress — should and will be held to account. This investigation will go forward and justice will be served.”
(GW Clusterfuck- announcing his decision to sit on the documents taken from Jefferson’s office)
I like that idea, looseheadprop. Can we start with Frist, Roberts and Specter!
67 looseheadprop -
Wrong, the media may not publish it, but we can do the equivalent information dispersion via the internet, Kos, Atrios, FDL.
And the media, for a number of reasons, just isn’t going to be as aggressive in covering the stories we give them about Republicans.
The only way to expose the media’s hypocrasy and put the fear of god in them is to go after their slimiest denizens directly and unabashedly, just as they go after our democratic leaders. By their actions, they have made themselves, to borrow a phrase, fair game.
as i understand it, Murtha’s gonna be on Blitzer at 7 eastern. I wonder if Blitzer’s Beard will ask hard-hitting questions like “did you watch American Idol last night”? or “what did you think of American Idol last night”?
Just a question? Is this going to be ‘45 BIZ days’ or standard calendar days? If standard, that would be around July 4. A biz day would be closer the election. What’s to stop him from giving another 45 whend he feels like it? What about any ‘evidence’ in there? Fair and speedy trial? Discovery? Prosecution ‘investigation’ is stalled until he says the ‘magic woid’?
Sorta OT, but not really:
0. Number of times Ken Lays name was mentioned during todays White House press gaggle with Tony Snow, which began 30 minutes after the guilty verdict was announced. [via think progress]
looseheadprop, the corporate media aint going to publish anything that their hunting buddies don’t want.
But, stories on the sex lives of the DC corporate media celebrities can fly in the ether. All their dark secrets can circle the globe. And in reality many more people would read it and even add more and more spice to it.
The way to beat a bully is not reason with them but to give them a good pasting. They reform pretty quickly as they are fundamentally cowards.
twolf1– yeah, he had Biden on earlier touting his plan for 2008 (wtf!!!!!!!) and dissing Murtha sayin’ he ain’t got no steenkin’ plan, man.
My reasons for not wanting to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008, should she be a candidate for president, are two. First, I don’t approve of her original and continued support for the Iraq invasion. And second, I find her closeness to, and her reliance on the DLC most distasteful. But…if the beltway characters, pundits, talking heads and so called journalists continue their insidious brand of hypocritical and un-comely rectitudinous invective toward la Hil, I shall be inclined to support her, in her, albeit seemingly opportunistic quest, for the Democratic nomination for president. I see Karl Rove’s devilish hand behind all this. I take comfort only in my faith that Rove will one day join his un-holy mentor, Lee Atwater, in the bowels of Hell. Perhaps for once, the right wing-nuts, the holier than thou religious right and the rabid Hillary haters will be too clever by 1/2. They just may achieve their worse nightmare: President H.R. Clinton. Now that is a delicious thought!
tommy says: “yeah,what happened to Wolcott?”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
He’s back.
Tweety Black Rose…. I like it
Matthews at a Pre-op Tranny bar in SF?
…Broder didn’t mention any details of Hillary’s speech because the poor bastard didn’t understand it…his level is panty sniffing…all these folks piling onto the Clintons means only one thing…they are VERY afraid!…if the thinking set gets elected “journalists” might have to report SUBSTANCE instead of rubbish…rough road that…let’s send ‘em gingko so they can stay awake…
angie – I saw Biden talking to Blitzer’s Beard. I used to like him but since he said he wants to run in 08, his stock has been falling in my book.
Thought perhaps that Wolcott had retired to the Azores to tend his garden and escape the madness. Is this the best of all possible worlds?
It’s been a while since Larry Flynt splurged on a new project. I bet he’d love a second crack at the hypocrites and Lord knows he’d have plenty of targets with this crew — both in the administration and their press enablers.
Pachacutec says: “…we’re having lingering server issues.”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Earlier this afternoon, I noticed when I ran a traceroute on http://www.firedoglake.com that I was directed to what I think was the old hosting company – The Planet. I could see the IP address and the URL of the final hop in the tracroute’s display.
1,161 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
Let’s take a breath here…how is focusin’ time , material and energy on tryin’ ta change the yellow/trivialization journalism of the corporate media toward Democrats gunna change anything?
In the meantime, the Congressional Black Caucus gets hung out ta dry while Nancy Pelosi puts her name behind Denny Hastert’s tantrum tryin ta draw attention ta Jefferson’s situation (and that’s what this thing is taday folks, the GOPers are tryin ta make it look like they are standin’ tall against the executive goin’ after a little congressman, and a black one at that.) In the meantime, Pelosi is scheduled ta have a face to face with the Black Caucus over Emmanuel and AIPAC’s hijackin’ of the DCCC. Of course, her ultimatum ta Jefferson, without givin’ a warning courtesy hug ta the Black Caucus, forces the CBC ta cancel the smackdown of Emmanuel and alientates the CBC from everyone includin’ liberal activists (take a look at the responses on this blog taday).
Wake up and smell the coffee folks…we have jest a couple a months ta purge the Democratic Party of the Republicrat power weilders Focusin’ time and resourses (and emotional energy) tiltin’ at the windmill of corporate anti-Democratic bias(in both senses of that term)jest ta save Hillary’s honor is a monumental waste of precious resources. Hillary is gunna hafta find a way around or past this “issue” if she is to be a viable candidate…let her expend DLC and Rupert Murdock resources doin that. If she doesn’t succeed, we won’t have Hillary ta kick around in ‘08.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YER EYES ON THE PRIZE!!!
rwcole 81:
Candide, indeed.
rwcole says “Thought perhaps that Wolcott had retired to the Azores to tend his garden and escape the madness.”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
Nothing showed up in an traceroute I ran on his Web site earlier this afternoon when it appeared that his Web site was down. A subsequent traceroute I ran about fifteen minutes ago revealed that his Web site is back to normal.
what on earth is a traceroute?
House Judiciary approves NET NEUTRALITY bill. All Dems plus six R’s, I think incl. Sensenbrenner. Sadly, not on the merits, but ‘turf’. Another bill, another comm.
http://news.com.com/House panel votes for Net neutrality/2100-1028_3-6077007.html?tag=sas.email
To me, CNet’s doing good on this and NSA.
Blogswarm. This shit needs to be countered. Every time.
I can remember when David Broder was a respected journalist.
His recent behavior mocks that description.
What happened–did Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton arouse in him an irresistable taste for sleaze?
My private detective fantasies are being stoked here. Imagine being paid to follow, oh, I dunno…Matt Drudge around for a while to see how he gets off. Something tells me the Pugs That Be have done so already and are using whatever wholesome dish that yielded as leverage.
But now, back to my fantasy: “My clients say you’ve gotta ante up, Matt-boy, or these pictures get shown to momma.”
Oops – in my 3:31 post, a correction: Nothing showed up in
ana traceroute…Re comment 9:
Belinda Stronach was re-elected comfortably by her riding of Newmarket-Aurora in Ontario in the January general election, bucking the trend towards the Conservatives. She was targeted by the right wing because she crossed the aisle to the Liberals after becoming outraged by some right wing skulduggery. The Liberals appointed her to the Cabinet, which provoked howls of outrage from all the predictable quarters. The innuendo about her in the Healy piece was outrageous, and Broder’s reinforcing it even more so.
I guess our “elders and betters” like Don and Pinch and Jeff are gearing up to prevent the country from electing a Democrat who would forthwith surrender to the terrorists by actually prosecuting them in an open trial and obtaining verdicts that those pesky foreign countries might respect. God forbid that America be respected instead of loathed.
Kenny Boy Lay is shocked–shocked–at his conviction. He still believes he’s innocent.
[snip, from Hardball transcript]
SHUSTER: Meanwhile, in the investigation of Karl Rove, sources close to the presidential advisor are now confirming a story first reported in the national journal that Rove, who was a source for columnist Bob Novak, later had a separate conversation with Novak after the investigation began.
Former federal prosecutors are convinced Fitzgerald has explored whether Rove and Novak coordinated their testimony.
But today, a spokesman for Karl Rove said quote, “Karl Rove has never urged anyone, directly or indirectly, to withhold information from the special Counsel or to testify falsely. Circulating such speculation now is nothing short of irresponsible.”
SHUSTER: (on-camera) But the contention is not that Karl Rove urged Bob Novak to withhold information, rather it’s that Rove was assured early in the case that Novak was not going to burn him. Today, Robert Novak was unavailable for comment. As for the overall investigation, including the Libby case, there was also no comment today from the official who has now become a central figure, Vice President Cheney.
I’m David Shuster, for hardball, in Washington.
timewarp says “what on earth is a traceroute?”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Please look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traceroute
I think I saw Broder on that PBS ‘tour’ also. IIRC, he was reallly cross with that person.
It WAS disturbing. Kinda like, ‘He is der feurher, and you will accord him due respect!’…
Sex rumors? I heard Bill Frist breaks into childrens petting zoos late at night and lays in the grass and salts his fanny. Surely this is not true, but it’s out there, right Cokie?
Yeah—Broder thinks Clinton’s doin Belinda–but he’s too chickenshit ta come out and say so.
National Journal:
“On September 29, 2003, three days after it became known that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation, according to people with firsthand knowledge of the federal grand jury testimony of both men…”
Sure sounds like obstruction of justice to me.
Lou Dobbs and Jeffrey Toobin just discussed the Enron verdicts on CNN. I didn’t hear them mention the fact that Ken Lay is a major Bush fundraiser and crony. Was I not paying enough attention?
What time is Junior’s press conference today?
And, do I have to watch it?
Stronach! Really? I coulda sworn I read quite the opposite; but I coulda looked it up…
I’ll stand corrected.
digby:
it’s great to have you post at FDL. Hullabaloo is one helluva site. i’m a devoted fan.
the MSM are, simply said, shameless, hypocritical whores.
with this latest sleaze we are, yet again, reminded of the conspiracy of attacks on Bill and Hillary. regardless of what one might think of them, regardless of whether one wants Hillary to be the Democratic Candidate in ‘08 or not. disgusting.
neurophius – you didn’t hear them mention that FACT because they DIDN’T mention it.
nope, yer right neurophius. no mention of it at all. Where is the outrage, Lou?
Re: press conference dread:
Please please please just tell me they’re not going to announce an invasion of Iran!!
I half hope that Hillary is the candidate- just to see the burned out hulks of smoking goopers lining the streets as their heads explode in indignation! Just imagine!
Suggest everyone “Contact Hardball” at, Hardball email to let them know what they think of the “journalism” displayed today. Below is a copy of what I am sending…
Jacqrat
shorter Broder, et al
The “Battle Him/Her” of the Republic:
“Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
The ’sniffs go peeking in”
Digby fucking rules!
Love those facts, Lou!— direct quote from the smarmmeisters! Lou and Lone Wolfie, Protector of the Beard.
timewarp @ 3:32 pm (#87) – A traceroute is a way of tracing the route packets take between your computer and a computer it’s communicating with.
Technically, it sends out ICMP echo requests with incremented time-to-live (TTL) values. The traceroute program reports the IP addresses of the routers/computers that send back a “TTL expired” ICMP packet. Do this enough, and all the computers between you and the one you’re talking to (theoretically) will be accounted for.
This is not as effective as it used to be, because nowadays most domains block ICMP echo requests.
Digby says
“This Hillary story on the front page of the NY Times seems to have come completely out of nowhere. There’s no new hook, yet the story says that “prominent Democrats” are all atwitter”
“The old Cokie Roberts defense: “It doesn’t matter if its true ot not, it’s out there” is back with a vengeance now that Democrats are becoming relevant again. And the New York Times put it “out there.”
WATB Harris in response to Angie (emphasis mine)
” will say that the questions he was raising seemed motivated not by prurient interest in their private lives but the political implications of the widespread public curiosity”
Kids, Santa Monica is Delphi
Interesting:
“…former federal prosecutor Ty Cobb said Fitzgerald’s revelation about using Cheney as a witness seems like an act of desperation. “You don’t play that card unless you think you are in danger of being shut down,” Cobb said.
Cobb said he doubts Libby’s case will go to trial because of the enormous amount of classified evidence involved. A key element of Libby’s defense is that he was too preoccupied with heady, national security issues to leak Plame’s CIA affiliation to reporters as a way to strike back at her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, for his criticism of the administration’s push to invade Iraq.
Fitzgerald’s filing, Cobb said, was a signal to U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton, who has expressed concern about the amount of classified information the prosecutor may try to keep Libby from using in his defense.
“Now Fitzgerald’s pitch is, ‘This goes all the way up in the White House. Judge, don’t shut me down,’” Cobb said.
The prosecutor has already raised the possibility that Libby’s lawyers are trying to commit “graymail,” a term used to describe how former government officials force the government to dismiss their cases or see its biggest secrets revealed during their trials…”
“…Fitzgerald wants to use Cheney’s notes on the Wilson article to corroborate evidence that he says shows Libby knew about Plame’s CIA status – from Cheney and other government officials – and lied when he told a grand jury that he learned about her from reporters.
Cheney would have a tough time arguing that his notes on Wilson’s article qualify as a national security secret, said attorney Stanley M. Brand, a former general counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives.
“He’s commenting on something he read in the press, and that is hardly a national security issue,” Brand said.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..e=politics
Notice that FDL is advertising crotchless panties- french crotchless panties actually.
This should foil the panty sniffers! Good move.
Now why not advertise vibrators for the poor women in South Carolina and elsewhere who are being denied satisfaction by their state legislatures.
They may need to be packaged as tension easing devices.
are georgie and tony gonna sniff eachother’s panties tonight?
fwiw, Oscarsmom, I think this is gonna be a blues presser rather than a news presser. They floated propaganda and it was shot down wrt Iran. They are done.
Snow is resigning in June AP
The press corps projects its own shortcomings on to Democrats and then attacks them for it.
Can’t say it often enough. This has nothing to do with the Clintons and everything to do with degrading our national discourse.
Zennurse, John or Tony?
Maybe this is old news, but I just saw mention of it over at Taylor Marsh’s site. There’s a Raw Story article about how Fitzgerald’s office has written in Wednesday’s filing that there is evidence that Cheney instructed Libby to get into the public “all” the facts in response to the Wilson Op Ed.
[italics are from the article quoting the filing]
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0525.html
TeddySF,
And, do I have to watch it?
No.
(buffering . . .)
“the next six months, we’ll see an increased …”
Here is a link to a great story in Salon on Enron and the Republican Culture of Corruption.
1,161 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
rwcole,
Your imagery is wonderful…I would, however REALLY look forward ta duckin the flyin gooper brain matter at the inauguration of Al Gore and Russ Feingold. “We can do better” than Hillary C. in ‘08 I hope.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T GET SIDETRACKED, THERE’S A LOTTA SHIT TA GET THROUGH BEFORE WE FIND THE PONY!!!
Murtha – a voice of reason in a sea of idiots
rwcole @ 4:01 pm (#116) – The Amazon ads seem to take keywords from the article text and try to match them with products. The results are pretty hilarious sometimes.
op99- John
Also, Senate passed a measure to stop Fred Phelps from disrupting military funerals. Well, they did one decent thing today, but they also voted to drill Alaska, so I can’t get too excited about Fred or the Clintons for that matter.
Broder needs a new nickname–specifically, one that captures the appropriately PENILE shape of his head.
jacqrat, you inspired this rat…
Here’s my email to hardball:
My god.
We have two immoral zillionaires found guilty on dozens of counts, one of whom, Kennyboy is a dear Bush friend and huge campaign contributor.
We have a disaster of an illegal war, an embarassment for Pres., a corrupt Congress (sorry, it IS a GOP thing), hurricane season approaching on still-uffering Americans, and a looming global energy/environmental crisis…
…and you are talking about the sex life of the Clintons???
Is this really what the mainstream press has become?
Will you be covering the Bush’s sex life next? Or the Cheney’s? Or your own?
You should be professionally and personally ashamed.
TV is OFF.
Sincerely,
——
TBH @ 4:12 pm (#129) – Broder needs a new nickname–specifically, one that captures the appropriately PENILE shape of his head.
Scroder?
preview of upcoming presser:
Bush: Hey Tony, did I tell ya I use Colegate toothpaste? heh heh heh
Blair: Why yes George, you did. ha ha ha
Bush: Hey Tony, your panties smell like fish-n-chips. You got big perch over there in uhhh… uhh… that place right over there… uhhh.. New Brittany?
Blair: Oh George, I don’t know how to quit ye!
Bush: heh heh heh.. toothpaste… heh heh heh
Don’t forget Lay got an assist from the press in making the Enron stock collapse…why didn’t Dobbs mention that as well…
Cujo359:
Hah!
Five words: Small army of private detectives.
Senate passed a measure to stop Fred Phelps from disrupting military funerals. Well, they did one decent thing today.
Decent? Hardly. With these deranged bigots pissing off the base, how are they going to rouse them in the fall to go out and vote for anti-gay marriage legislation and candidates.
Though I am very sorry that people have had to put up with these people at the funerals of their loved ones. I predict that the aclu take up their part (as they did Rush!) and get slammed for it. It is an interesting 1st amemendment issue.
french crotchless Panties ?!?! don’t see ad
can’t believe you guys let this one go -
‘Female Masturbation Gift Set’
directly above a picture of Coulter !
well that oughta bump the click thru’s up
Cujo359 #131
TBH @ 4:12 pm (#129) – Broder needs a new nickname…
Scroder?
LOL – with the coy “come whither” look in his eye
OT cure for clenus envy
Digby, I want to congratulate you on the writing on your blog this morning. Rarely have I seen such direct, clear, from-the-gut writing that put several issues in this current mad, mad, mad world in such clear perspective. You were on a major roll; keep it up. And, folks, you must go over to Hullabaloo and read his stuff.
-sofistic
new thread up
RE: “This tabloidization of political news is almost exclusively focused on Democrats and gives the impression that the left is unserious. “
I’ve waited 20 years for anyone to write such a cogent analysis on the outcomes created by trivialization of political newz. I like a laugh as much as anyone, but the resullts of mistaking politics for gossip are insidious.
I am so relieved and heartened to see articulate, shrewd commentary call bullshit on sophomoric, puerile weirdness.
Question from the future, “Hey, what did you do when the signs of global warming were becoming clear? what did you do after reading about Abu Gharib?”…. Answer: “Oh, I read a lot of gossip about Bill’s dick and Hillary’s fridgity.”
Delusional.
Angie at 33
Take Note: They do not have a marriage. They have “this partnership.” Speaks volumes.
OT: Re: The AP story about John Snow resigning. This may be the money quote:
Too bad P.T. Barnum’s dead…
We have to stop blaming the press. Blame, blame, blame, its all we seem to do. They do it to the Clintons, and to other Democrats because Dems do not fight back. What do you think Tom DeLay would do if such an article were writtewn about him. Could you count the ways he’s give them hell?
If you take shit, you get shit. There are people only too eager to pile it on. So again, the press will not do it to Repubs because they know they will suffer if they do.
I totally disagree.
The Republicans are going to put up a John McCain/ Kindasleazy Rice duo.. Who else?
We need strong leadership that holds to the Netroots ideals, and the NEEDS of American Democracy and Domestic Economic/Foreign/and Energy Policy CHANGE.
There IS no other option.
Instead of Hillary, why don’t we just put a 100 foot stainless steel lightning rod wrapped in baggage in her place… SAME THING.
Her DLC “creds” foul her, completely in the eyes of most Left Americans… And she is THE object of hate on the Right and most of the center, and especially the SCLM.
I can see some combination of the following:
Al Gore
Russ Feingold
Wesley Clark
(there are others)
But, I will NEVER vote for a bad-press lightning rod such as Hillary Clinton… I’ll stay home and pocket my money, and buy big guns for defense against the Fascist Wingnut Right. We’ve worked TOO HARD to throw off the influence of the DLC to hire her, and we CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE.
Why the hell did I give so much cash to Ned, if we want to put the DLC in power? If we do that, then we might as well campaign for a Hillary/JoeMentum ticket or a Republican ticket… THAT will SURELY win… not.
I WON’T support that, and will work against a member of the DLC with all the money and bloggy power that I have. I’ll go into debt to oppose it…
DLC “creds” equals a NO GO.
Hillary is (supposedly) doing fine work for New York, as a Senator… I suggest she STAY there. The LIBRUL Press is ALREADY working against her… She should NOT get our monies, OR our votes as a Presidential candidtate. There are better, more committed, more wise and more Democratic candidates out there that SHOULD get our support.
Hillary needs to stay in New York… We’ve got better candidates that stand a chance to WIN.
PERIOD.
–mf
I agree with that. However, understand this, with the exception of Wes Clark, who fights back, the press will assault any Democrat we put up. They did it to McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Clinton, Gore, Kerry. And they’ll keep doing it.
Monkeyfister and Norskflamthrower totally right. This Clinton marriage story is an attempt to throw us off the really serious stories just as the Jason Leopold thing did.
Cujo 359: “Scroder”?
Huh-huh: Scroder…
That’s, like, pretty good … and stuff.
Huh-huh: journalists….
If it were up to the DC Media Elite we would cancel the 2008 presidential election, install McCain president for life and be done with it.
They have contempt for Democracy.
Remember that infamous Sally Quinn piece where she said journalists were upset with Clinton because they don’t like being lied to? Well, they don’t mind being lied to by Bush and republican politicians in general. In fact they make excuses for them.
The corporate media is as corrupt as the Bush regime.
Sorry if this has already been said, but Media Matters has an extraordinary piece up now on how the author of the NYTimes piece about the Clintons sex lives (Patrick Healey) has a long history of pejorative pieces on leading Democrats, including not only innuendos but also outright fiction – among these Kerry’s purported comment (untrue) that he had spoken with foreign governments. These comments then were taken up by the right to make a mockery of people. Seems as if Healey – like certain other NYTimes writers we know – should be put on a tighter leash, and scrutinized far more carefully.
BTW, have you seen Tweety’s ratings?
More people read this blog than watch his show.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvn…..efault.asp
MK #5
“there’s that faint odor of gender bias about it”
I know I’m deep in EPUland here, but I have to say that I agree with this. It’s a way of dealing with uppity women. Unfortunately, this is not limited to the right wing – I’ve read lots of comments here that make me squirm (’ole 60 grit comes to mind) and that use sexual insults to express anger with right-wing women.
Hey, here’s a famous politician whose sex life the blogosphere could investigate:
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismsgay.html
Yeah, George W. “Lips” Bush.
Thank you, bridgehome.
I really want the best for America, and Democracy, and Global Warming, Peak Oil and Health Care, Deficit Reduction, and National Health Care are the only issues that matter right now.
–mf
Can we bring down Russert’s book on Amazon?
Strategy please.
What is annoying the crap out of me is that every rumor about the Clintons ended up on either Drudge or the tabloids. They were then picked up by the MSM as being worthy of discussion because they were “out there.”
Well, the tabloids have been atwitter about the Bushes. George is apparently drinking, and Laura isn’t speaking to him, spending every moment she’s not needed for public appearances at the ranch in Crawford. This is something that could be checked. But has there been a peep about any of this from the pundits? No. And can you imagine if Hillary had told an interviewer that Chelsea wasn’t going to see her on Mother’s Day. Post college Chelsea had a freakin’ job anyway. The twins still live with their parents, right? And neither of them have the time to pop down the hall to see dear Mom?
This bunch of freaks gets far too free a pass from the media.
Yeah, fuck ‘em. Fuck the Times. People who read the times can tell the difference between the crap (like the tabloid Clinton cover a few days ago) and the stuff that’s worth reading (the cultural stuff). If they can’t, what difference does it make that it’s the NYTimes that’s dishing it up? If Times readers can’t tell the difference between reading shit and reading something worth reading, the problem is mostly the reader. Anyway, how fast are newspapers losing readers anyway? Not fast enough, but they’re slowly sinking. And why is the lefty blogosphere doing the story such a big favor by AMPLIFYING it far and wide? When you think something is crap, do you rush right out and tell all your friends, hey, I saw something that was crap, go check it out? If you do, it’s rude. Why waste your friends time with crap? So why do lefty bloggers insist on wasting so many columns complaining about the CRAP they read in the NYTimes (and the Washington Post)? The smarter thing to do would be to ignore it. Turn it down. Turn it off. Let it die.
I’m wondering whether David Broder would have made sartorial comments about any man.
Digby:
Let’s go after every last one of these Beltway poohbahs and see how they like it. These goddam panty sniffers are all hypocrites. We live under a lawless regime that lied us into a stupid fucking war and their best shot is Bill nad Hill’s marriage? Broder is a BIG FAT JOKE-he’s Brinkley just before Alzheimer’s set in. And this guy is a MODERATE on Meet the Press. Memo to TIMMEH: Broder is a has been hack who has never stood with the democratic party and is surely no voice of liberalism. You define your increasing irrelevance to the public discourse by having him on your show.
THere is something seriously wrong with Matthews-talk about issues!
To the PANTYSNIFFERS, ROBIN!!
Bring ‘em on!
I’m no fan of Hillary’s but the lameness of the DC press corpse is just too much to bear.
Broder is an idiot and needs to retire to Florida. He is worse than useless. And Bob Herbert-what the fuck are you thinking?
The NYT SUCKS!! MOdO will be piling on too-just wait.
WHAT LIBERAL MEDIA?? Where the hell is it?
digby! Digby! DIGBY!!!!!!
Re#9 — I thought the Canadian politician which the US media have connected with Clinton was Belinda Stronach. She WAS reelected in January — she crossed the floor from the Conservatives to the Liberals last spring, so in this election she ran as a Liberal and had no trouble getting reelected. Her father is Frank Stronach, of Magna International, which has lots of business interests in the US and Canada, so its a wealthy family. See this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Stronach for more information.
Frank Stonach provided housing in Florida for several hundred Katrina survivors last September, at a condominium project he was just finishing at the time.
I agree with some other posters on this thread—Let’s pick a juicy target (Tweety? Broder?), come up with a strategy, and go on the attack, en masse against the bastard.
Like many others here, I am no big fan of Hillary’s anymore, but this nasty, sophomoric
1-sided media freakshow treatment is f’n shameful.
Let’s get together and DO SOMETHING about it, if at all possible.
Outrage makes good fuel for action.
And I’ve got outrage galore at this point.
Why not let the press know that we will flood them with complaints if they pull this crap again? We will make fun of them, hold them up to ridicule, send plenty of annoyed emails, complain to their editors, cancel subscriptions, write letters to their advertisers, and in general, behave like right-wingers? :)
They’ll know they’re on notice. Maybe it’ll make them think twice before publishing this crappola.
Bob Somerby was pretty much alone at this in 2000. But now there’s Media Matters and E&P and all of us. They aren’t going to get away with it this time. :)
Well, women of America, if Mr. Broder is fascinated with panties, perhaps you should send him a pair. Laundering optional. I mean no offense to women by this suggestion, and will happily send some of mine as well, should the idea be acceptable.
I believe the address is: The Washington Post, 1150 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20071
Does it ever seem as though Matthews just can’t do anything right?
Yes.
I don’t know much about it, but does anyone out there know anything about shareholders suits? I mean you only need ownership of one share to get started and of course you can certify class action later. Is the claim that editors and reporters are running your investment into the ground by trivial and useless pursuits a justifiable reason to pursue a lawsuit? and would it have the desired effect? I can’t think of any news organization that couldn’t be covered by this and just possibly could cause them to get back to serious news gathering.
OK – I’m good with the Clinton rules, but I’d still point out that Hillary’s war vote — the one that gave Bush the unitary power he sought — essentially amounts to murder by proxy.
No, indeed, we don’t like Hillary’s war vote, but all the rest of the hype and hoo-ha is mere corporate status-quo misogyny. Deal with it, people. Rudy Giuliani, a still communion-taking Roman Catholic on his third wife after a very public adultery, is not getting this kind of press.
Hel-lo? Too numb to take notice, are we?
I’m with Norske, Monkee fist, Neal b and other loyal dissenters on this. Hillary is damaged goods. Her husband is damaged goods. If they get gored by the left horn of the right it don’t worry me.
Bill Clinton: We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…
Bill Clinton: The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.
Bill Clinton: When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly…. [However, now] there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.
Now since he said that he’s been hangin with Poppy a lot and his arsehole faced wife has moved even further right. We would be spitting in the face of women, minorities and the poor with any support for her.
OR I mean, not ‘ of’. Just because she has a pretty face is no reason to bow and scrape for her.
I don’t really give a hoot how the media tramples on Hillary..I hope they do. Fact: SHE SUPPORTED ATTACKING IRAQ. Therefore I can never vote for her. She will never EVER win over the progressive base.
I’m not thrilled about Hillary either — but I am tired of watching Democrats get their faces smashed into the toilet by the media. That’s it, plain and simple. I’m sick of it. It would be different if they did the same thing to Republicans, but you know they don’t and they won’t.
If we don’t fight back, THEY WILL NEVER STOP. They do what they do because we let them. Let’s do something –
LET’S SEND PANTIES TO THE PANTY-SNIFFERS!
Ghandi said when you are oppressed you make your govt. irrelevant. Print and MSM are losing readers and viewers. Why can’t we just ignore them. Don’t buy major backers of repub products. Home Depot., Wal Mart, Exxon gas…and sad to say cable. Money is the only thing that is important to them.IT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR A DEMOCRACY TO SURVIVE
I believe this may be retaliation from the Times to the recent Detante between the NY Post/Murdoch and Hilary. Childish name calling.
Just a point that might come in useful:
If (when) Hillary runs in 2008 she’ll be sixty years old. and Bill will qualify for Medicare.
Isn’t there something diseased about obsessing about the marital habits of a 58 year old woman? And a husband who (let’s not forget) was recently hospitalized for a heart condition?
I mean, eeeuw.
It may be too little, too late. But we can contact Byron Calame, the Public Editor at the New York Times, who does seem to care about his job as readers’ advocate (unlike Deborah Howell at the Washington Post). public@nytimes.com or (212) 556-7652.
Punaise @ 139 – ewwwwwwwwwww. That image I did not need in my head
kin @45
“Broder was on the panel. Gwen was gushing about how he was her mentor. They were discussing the economy. This was in the dark days after 9/11 when all was not well economically. … I wrote an angry letter to Gwen, but clearly nothing has changed.”
I’m glad you didn’t let Gwen Ifill off the hook here.
I’d been a big fan of hers when she started out — she’s likeable, intelligent, genuine.
But she’s really played the game the way they all have, just with that hallmark PBS-Lehrer style that never challenges a public (GOP) official about their lies, and never challenges the questions framing public debate.
After tracking this practice in Ifill’s work over a period of time, I noted her handling of the Swift-Boating of John Kerry. NOT ONCE did Gwen Ifill give air to the facts that discredited John O’Neill and the SBVets. NOT ONCE did Gwen Ifill note the historical record that supports Kerry’s 1970-71 comments on the conduct of that war. She just extended the issue through navel-gazing and back-n-forth about the debate. But that’s not even the real reason to be concerned.
This was 2004. The Toledo Blade had just won a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage of the actions of the elite Tiger Force Unit in Vietnam — in the midst of a Presidential campaign. A Presidential campaign in which John Kerry was attacked for statements made in 1970 about the U.S. policies that allowed — demanded — American soldiers to target civilians/violate the Geneva Convention/fight an illegal war without just cause or provocation.
Yet Gwen Ifill could not say a single word about the Pulitzer Prize in 2004.
http://www.toledoblade.com/app…..TIGERFORCE
The 22-article series documented the “45-member unit’s rampage through two provinces” … “killed hundreds of unarmed men, women, and children.”
Gwen Ifill would not say a single word about the Toldeo Blade, nor about Tiger Force.
Even though John Kerry’s “winter soldier” statement was accurate.
“Based on classified records and interviews with former soldiers and Vietnamese civilians, The Blade series described the 45-member unit’s rampage through two provinces between May and November, 1967 – the longest-known series of atrocities committed by a U.S. battle unit in the war.
Soldiers hurled grenades into underground bunkers full of women and children. They shot elderly farmers toiling in their fields. They severed the ears of the dead to fashion into necklaces. One former unit medic told The Blade that soldiers “would go into villages and just shoot everybody. We didn’t need an excuse. If they were there, they were dead.”
Records show that two soldiers in the platoon, Lt. Donald Wood of Findlay, and Sgt. Gerald Bruner of Colon, Mich., tried to stop the atrocities but were transferred from the platoon after they complained to superiors.”
Gwen Ifill could not and would not point out that the SwiftBoaters were shills. That history itself disproved their very reason for being — John Kerry’s willingness to speak the truth. That they are paid political attack dogs — not a grassroots group.
Gwen Ifill could not point out that American soldiers in Iraq were being asked to perform under equally illegitimate circumstances, nor that they were facing a guerilla force embedded in a national population, whose language and culture was completely alien, and whose customs and taboos were routinely violated.
Gwen Ifill did not point out that American soldiers in Iraq are ordered to carry out the same kind of policies that were the rule in Vietnam. Instead of torching a few hooches, they bulldoze them. But in Iraq, all of Fallujah is a hooch. For that matter, all of Iraq is just a giant hooch — and the policy is to torch the whole damn place.
There’s a strong connection between Vietnam and Iraq in terms of how the US handled itself. And in 2004, with one Pulitzer, a blockbuster story, a war-hero Prezntial candidate going up against a draft-dodging AWOL incumbent, and the fate of innumberable American soldiers and even more Iraqi civilians (& partisans) hanging in the balance … Gwen Ifill said nothing.
Every other editor and pundit had that same chance, in 2004, to make a difference in the course of events that were to follow over the 4 years.