
Atrios has written a very important post today on why we should be alarmed at this latest breathless girly gossip about Hillary Clinton. I have received a lot of emails and comments to the effect that Hillary is a (fill in the blank) and so deserves itand therefore we should all be happy that the New York Times is doing God's work by destroying her candidacy. This is a very short sighted and historically clueless way to look at this. We call these "Clinton Rules" but they are not really about the Clintons --- it's about the press corps and the way they treat Democrats.
Atrios says;
[T}he broader issue ... is that the mainstream media has long had multiple conflicting and inconsistent standards when it comes to the private lives of public figures, especially politicians and members of their own club. More than that it presents yet another mainstream media corrupt habit of making something news for no particular reason and then pretending that the story just appeared out of nowhere, even when in this case there is literally no semi-legitimate hook for it. In this case it's doubly corrupt because it's The Paper of Record, which as we all know is liberal, so that gives additional license for the rest of the corporate press to jump on the story. There's also the little issue of the press's history with the Clintons, where at some point there was no personal detail, no matter how poorly sourced, which was not considered to be legitimate news. One would've liked to have thought that post-Monica Madness this little habit was beaten out of them, that maybe they even had a few regrets, though it's clear again that it's not the case. The Clinton Rules of Journalism never left us.
And, finally, it puts on display the utter vapidity of the press corps we're dealing with. If Dean Broder, who has been covering Washington since 1820, can't sit through a 45 minute speech on energy policy, and the press on Air Force One would rather watch King Kong than the Hayden hearings, while they devote their time and resources to a long 50-source article about how often the Clintons are getting busy, then we have a problem, and it's not something we're going to clear up at a blogger ethics panel.
And I would add that there is another equally pernicious dimension to this. This tabloidization of political news is almost exclusively focused on Democrats and gives the impression that the left is unserious. John Kerry's butler and his strange, wealthy wife. Dean's flinty personality and odd, reclusive wife. Gore's pathological lying and his phony manhood. The list goes on. It's all very "entertaining" but it makes people associate Democrats with celebrities in the most shallow sense.
I do not believe this comes out of nowhere. There has long been a cottage industry of GOP operatives who pass along these juicy tidbits to the press (and I assume the entire social network in DC) who eagerly open their little beaks and swallow it. This Hillary story on the front page of the NY Times seems to have come completely out of nowhere. There's no new hook, yet the story says that "prominent Democrats" are all atwitter wondering about the state of Clinton's marriage and what it might mean. Well gosh, if they weren't before they certainly are now. The whole beltway high school circle jerk society are suddenly beside themselves.
I would remind people of a little story from the 2000 election as documented by the Daily Howler. Here's Margaret Carlson:
Gore’s fabrications may be inconsequential—I mean, they’re about his life. Bush’s fabrications are about our life, and what he’s going to do. Bush’s should matter more but they don’t, because Gore’s we can disprove right here and now…You can actually disprove some of what Bush is saying if you really get in the weeds and get out your calculator or you look at his record in Texas. But it’s really easy, and it’s fun, to disprove Gore.
What this does is trivialize liberals. The press corps projects its own shortcomings on to Democrats and then attacks them for it. The silly, insubstantial (idea-less) tabloid mentality is pasted to the Democratic image which allows the Republicans to present themselves as the serious ones (even mental midgets who say things like "is our children learning" or "OBGYN's can't show love to their patients.") The "grown-ups are back" meme, which was very successful for Bush and Cheney in 2000 would have been impossible without the press having spent eight years covering the white house like Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee lived there.
That was the mentality of the DC press corps as it existed up to the 2000 election when suddenly the coverage became all about Bush's tremendous integrity and seriousness. And the shot across the bow from the NY Times this week (and the giggly reactions among the chattering class) tells us that the Clinton Rules are in full effect.
For those of you who missed this peek at the patented seventh grade Mean Girl style of the kewl kidz, check out the transcript for Chris Matthews this past Tuesday. He spent more than half the show squealing and giggling with his guests like he had the latest copy of Tiger Beat in his hands. He, like Broder and the New York Times also breathlessly passed along the name of this canadian politician whom we are all apparently supposed to assume is servicing Bill Bill's needs these days.
I particularly liked this bit, aided and abetted by none other than good guy Bob Herbert who apparently thinks it's just fine for the news media to decide who can and cannot be elected president:
HERBERT: I can make one other point. The fact that we‘re talking about the Clintons‘ marriage here I think is just that kind of discussion, the story in The Times today is really harmful for Hillary‘s presidential chances, because I think that there is a real hunger for change in this country politically, and I think if we keep harping on that, and I think it is a legitimate story, but I mean, if the media does keep harping on that, there will be a tendency among the electorate to say, you know, enough already. We‘re going to move on. We may move in a different direction.
MATTHEWS: It may be like putting on the old bad tire that you‘ve gotten fixed a few times on your car. We‘re back again where we started. Do you think there is a fatigue out there of the Bushes and the Clintons together like for years we‘ve had the Bushes, we had Nixon all the time, now we‘ve got the Clintons all around us, do you think, Michael, that people are tired of this bunch?
The old Cokie Roberts defense: "It doesn't matter if its true ot not, it's out there" is back with a vengeance now that Democrats are becoming relevant again. And the New York Times put it "out there." It seems they've decided for us that Hillary won't do. Perhaps we could skip all this unpleasant untidiness with elections and whatnot and they can just tell us now who we are allowed to have as candidates and we can save some money. And if, as I suspect, John McCain has been chosen by the journalistic pooh-bahs to be the it-boy of 2008, it's better to know this in advance so that we can do what we have to do to tell the whole story.
If you read the entire transcript (or saw the show) you'll notice that Chris quite obviously holds up his marriage as being superior to the Clintons. I sure hope he doesn't have any dirty laundry he doesn't want all over the internet. There was no blogosphere the last time these puerile panty sniffers had a go. There is now.
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I want to do something about this this time. Earlier I proposed delivering a box of panties to Broder. Maybe that’s a dumb idea, but I’d like to hear some ideas about what we can do.
Fitz!
And go, Digby! I am so tired of trivializing and tabloidizing — actually the beginning of MoDo’s snide comments about Hillary and Gore got me more than Tweety or the Times front pager.
And somehow it bothers me even more with Hillary, because there’s that faint odor of gender bias about it — it’s more important to know about her marriage because she’s the wife and so of course we need to consider her husband here.
Leisureguy!!!
fitz!
Thanks Digby! Matthews has Timmeh on his show this evening and opened with Hill and Bill. blech.
Just for the record, the Canadian politician came to be muhc reviled (I think in general the Labor scandal, but also she had a music lobbyist writing DMR law in her office) but lost her seat in Jan election up north.
I recently canceled my subscription to my local paper (The Register Guard) because I object to paying for the sort of treatment the “legitimate press” has been handing out. It’s not that I object to hearing viewpoints I disagree with, it’s that I object to paying for people attempting to bamboozle me with verbiage.
This story goes to the heart of the political problem we have in this country. It is not primarily a George W. Bush problem. It is not primarily a Republican problem.
It is primarily a press problem.
If voters are deceived as to the basic facts about their government and about the politicians competing to run that government, how can a democracy function? Answer: it cannot. The U.S. media criminals have definitely proved that over the last five years.
umm…add ’s’ and spell ‘much’? (note to kludgy fingers)
Bout time for the media to remind us of the close connection between Clusteerfuck and Lay- and how Clusterfuck claimed to have never met Kenny Boy. That should be good for a sniff.
This particularly irritated me:
>>>>>>>>
MATTHEWS: Well I hate being away from my wife more than a day or two, but thank you, Mike. You obviously don’t mind that at all. Anyway, Bob Herbert, you go home and face her now.
“Primarilly a press problem”
No- as Walter Cronkite observed recently- the problem is that the american people are too stupid to elect their own leaders.
Hi guys,
Have not been feeling too well lately so haven’t read or written much, but how about sending — no, deluging — these creeps with some sort of picture of a keyhole. You know, with a cutout through which they could …
So we have the “day or two” test.
It’s normal to enjoy being away from your spouse for a day or two- maybe get a little strange nookie- throw down a few with the boys- hit the white ball around- but if you enjoy being away longer- well then yer a sick fuck!
Thanks, Digby. My post this morning was more ad hominem fastball and warning. You post, and Christy’s, lay out the case why this is about more than Broder and pants suits. Salut!
Digby,
loved the post. Especailly the part about how it trivializes Dems.
You know that line from Primary Colors? On a level playing feild we win because our ideas are better?
Well not if no one hears your ideas. If if some wisper of you ideas start to break through, then distract them with “look over here at the nice brite shiny sex talk”
Plus the Clinton ules approach has the added benefit of scaring off quality candidates.
hi dannyboy! I hope you feel better soon and that it is nothing serious. Missed you.
The Broder pantsuit comment just irks me. it reminded me of the campaign, before she cut her hair, when they did the hairdo of the week reports.
How freakin sexist!
Digby - Nice post. The blogs need to hit back hard on this. It will be very interesting to see what the NYT ombudsman says on Sunday, if he mentions it at all.
MSNBC alert just popped about John Snow but I inadvertently zapped it instead of opening.
Interesting that Tweety and Timmeh, such fine figures of fatherhood and marital priorities both, see nothing wrong with twittering like 12-year-olds about Chelsea’s father’s sex life.
Shame on them. Boycott Russert’s book for 30 days. Send a message. #1 on Amazon? Send a message there, too.
Matthews has Timmeh on his show this evening and opened with Hill and Bill. blech.
There’s a meeting of the minds. I rarely watch these shows anymore, ’cause I get so riled up by the “well, of course this is good news for the President” that begins every conversation from Iraq to new record low polls to the conviction of KennyBoy Lay (not kidding: See MediaMatters). But if Punkinhedd is shilling his new Chicken Soup for the Souls of Middle-Aged Men With Lingering Daddy Issues, then I’ll definitely be spending a lot more time in the garden for the next few weeks.
Well, for everyone in the threads below who was counseling moderation, and no tit-for-tat and complaining about the vitriol of some of our responses: I see from other comments (I am at work and cannot see a TV) that Tweety has Broder on his show and they’re talking about the NYT article. They got out the Vaseline, kleenex and latex gloves and they’re having themselves a good old-fashioned circle j*rk over the story. By ignoring it, by hoping that everyone will just rise above, by not making Healy or anyone at the NYT pay a price for it, we’ve allowed it to grow. Anyone want to bet what they’ll be talking about this Sunday on Meet the Press, Face the Nation and This Week?
So far the american people have gotten a free ride for the havoc that their disinterest, lack of attention, wishful thinking, greed, and buffoonery have cost themselves and the world. That should stop.
You caused this mess you dumb fucks. You listened to the brain damaged son of a guy you booted out of office as he blew smoke up your asses- told you you were God’s chosen people- that you didn’t HAVE to pay any taxes- and that laws or no laws- you could invade any fuckin part of the earth you wanted with impunity. You were there when the craven idiot amended the laws of physics and told you that you could pollute at will and it wouldn’t cause any problems. You stood there silently when the criminal told you that energy conservation could not be a part of public policy and that you had a God given right to burn up as much gasoline as you liked and fart it back out your tailpipes.
You have behaved irresponsibly- you even elected the insane motherfucker to a second term. Now when he breaks the law by spying on you- endangering the constitution you elected him to defend- you nod along silently sayin “yeah- you need to protect us from terrorism” and go back to “American Idol”.
You deserve everything you are getting you ignorant putzes!
Maybe the NYT article is payback for Hillary hanging with Rupert.
Fucking Tweety just called Howard Dean “head of the Democratic National Committee, which does not engage in gossip”
What a fuckwit.
Jersey Tomato
Are you now a convert to the Chicago Way?
And what are the odds that the NYT ombudsman decidesnot to mention it at all? I’d say 7 to 1.
But maybe it doesn’t matter any more. The NYT didn’t mention Colbert either and yet somehow, the news got out.
Gotta love that final paragraph. Particularly the lack of lubricant…
RWCole,
Not that you seem to need fuel for the fire in your belly this night, but today the House voted to allow drilling in the Artic Wildlife Refuge.
The very last bit of pristine USA and there gonna build mining roads and drill for stinking oil. How much you wanna bet, soon as it’s signed into law, the price of gas goes back below $3?
Well, Harris did respond to my question today in the Wapoo Political Hour with WATB it wasn’t me– huff and puff ptooey.
>>>>>>>>>>
ew Hampshire: Thanks for taking my question, Mr. Harris!
I read David Broder’s piece on Hillary Clinton and was shocked to find that he did not cover the very detailed speech she made with regard to energy and her ideas for getting us weaned off oil. I found her speech very interesting, indeed. Instead he focused on what she wore and the titillating piece in the NYT focusing on the Clinton’s marriage. Just what do you think that the NYT and Mr. Broder are thinking?
We are a nation deeply divided and engaged in 2 wars that are going badly, our government officials are involved in very real corruption and crimes, real people are in an economic crisis, etc. Why bring up the Clinton’s private lives? Will the MSM cover the Bush’s private lives next week? Enquiring minds want to know……
John F. Harris: There are lots of questions on this theme this morning.
It’s not my job to comment on NYX stories, and David’s columns run on the editorial page and Washington Post syndicate, so they are not edited by me. We’ll post the column about Hillary Clinton to which you are referring.
David does come on line regularly, so next time he’s here you can ask him directly.
I will say that the questions he was raising seemed motivated not by prurient interest in their private lives but the political implications of the widespread public curiosity about their partnership. As someone who covered the Clinton White House, I can testify that I am often asked about both the personal and political dimensions of this partnership.
As far as the details of her speech, the Post did write a full story in the news section by my colleague Dan Balz, on the substance of what she is recommending about energy.
We’ll post that as well.
We are, all of us, now playing by Clinton Rules.
About everyone.
Fair warning.
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What a pathetic fucking culture we live in, where, both the presidential and vice presidential candidates , are criticized for having the temerity to allude to the sexual orientation of the vice presidents daughter, in response to an issue that the VP’s campaign touted , while its perfectly acceptable for the uber-liberal New York fucking Times to go frollicking around in Hillarys underwear drawer.We are a starfucking country.
It was on the front page of the NYT, so it must be more than gossip.
Sound familar?
By getting the MSM to bite, it is now “fair game.” The Return of the Clenis.
*ilson 3 - I met Betty Currie at a jazz club a while back. She’s really a nice woman. Socks the cat lives with her now.
I think this post points to why Froomkin is appreciated so much in certain quarters - he tries to cover the White House and hold them accountable, and he also tries to hold the press accountable for doing their job. He had a blast lately getting readers to send in serious questions - tough Q’s, w/o snark - for Tony Snow’s first presser. Good stuff, and the questions actually asked by the press came up pretty tame in comparison.
Where else is this kind of media coverage happening? I’m having a hard time finding it. HuffPost’s weekly Russert watch does its thing at the beginning of each week, but that’s fairly limited. Josh Marshall focuses on DC as well, but looks more at the players (Congresscritters, lobbyists, unnamed senior admin officials, etc.) and less at the media. MediaMatters does a good job, but it’s pretty scattered, taking on all comers.
Contrast that approach with Froomkin’s. His beat is the White House and coverage thereof, and so he stays focused (pretty much) on that.
If I was looking for a blog like Froomkin’s that focuses on Capitol Hill and the media coverage there (such as it is), where would I go?
new thread already
Great post, Digby.
There is only one answer to the “Clinton Rules”. All the DC corporate media should now be fair game . As Kos pointed out in a post on dKos, let’s find out if these guys live in glass houses.
Let’s dig dirt on the sex lives and marriages of Chris Matthews, Bill Keller, Art Sulzberger, Hannity, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch, Cokie Roberts, Katie Couric, Bill O’Reilly, etc. Let’s see how well they take to their personal lives making round trips on the internet.
Pach, good on you! Atrios, good on you! Go after these guys, give them a taste of their own medicine.
YEEEEAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!
Let’s pick one and go at ‘em hammer and tongs. You know, object lesson.
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Great points Digby. Everyone of them.
To me much of this sounds like the Ahnold meme. The dems are girly men and the rethugs (even the females like Condi and Jean Fitzpatrick) are real he-men.
If you think about it, this is exactly what the Nazis were saying in the 20’s and early 30’s. I saw a program on PBS which narrated the Nazi’s rise to power to their defeat the other night. So much of how he saw the world is far too familiar.
“We [nazi’s] are strong, we have been persecuted by the Jews. We are noble, the english are weak … on and on for over 20 years.
This whole thing makes me ill. But you know what? People are people and will always enjoy talking about peoples’ sex life and the VP shooting someone more than real issues. So the Dems, in other words, need to get real and GIVE THEM SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT. Something substantive, like a national health care system. Something simple and easy to understand, something dramatic and interesting, not the same old tax cuts or half-solutions.
Again, it doesn’t matter whether or not legislation gets passed. What matters is that they stop talking about the Dems’ sex life, that they stop asking them if they can handle national security, stop asking them why they hate America. TAKE CHARGE for once and change the national debate!
Sometime in the dark days of the early W. years, Gwen took the Washington Week panel on the road to hear what the “people were thinking”.
It was years ago, so I can’t really remember the city. I do, however, remember one exchange because it was so stunning in it’s rudeness.
Broder was on the panel. Gwen was gushing about how he was her mentor. They were discussing the economy. This was in the dark days after 9/11 when all was not well economically. A woman of the “people” (a woman of color) stood up and said that she and those she knew were not doing very well in the Bush economy and she wanted to discuss what could be done to better their condition.
Broder called her out. Really. He told here that the polls said that people were happy with Bush and his stewardship of the economy, and therefore she must be mistaken that “the people” were not happy with the economy.
Seriously.
Broder not only told this woman what she should want, he told her what she should think…just because that is what the polls said that “the poeple” think.
This was when the panel went on the road to hear the opinions of “the people”.
I almost threw my shoe at the TV. I wrote an angry letter to Gwen, but clearly nothing has changed.
This event was an eyeopener for me. The unmitigabed rudeness and hubiris literally took my breath away.
And nothing has changed.
Screw them! How dare they tell us what to think just because some idiot phrased some poll question to get the answers they wanted, then projected the result on us and called our opinions wrong if we dare to agree.
I repeat.
screw them!
Great.
Tweety sez the closest thing we have to a “front-runner” for the 2008 nomination is “an old bad tire you’ve gotten fixed a few times on your car.” Leaving simple good manners aside (because they did so a long time ago) is it too much to ask for an adult dialogue? Or, as I saw somewhere else yesterday, must we turn the 2008 Presidential race into a reality show in order to get the media and America to pay attention?
Tweety just went through this “issue” one more time with Howard Dean. Matthews has sucked this one down, and he’s gonna swallow.
Thank God Howard Dean told him it was stupid, it was gossip, and he’s going to shoot it down when he can.
But Howard can’t do this all by himself. And Tweety is no where near satisfied about what kind of panties Hillary wears.
Thanks, Angie.
It seems to me that there are, quite simply, two sets of rules: one for them, and one for us (them = all Repubs and media plus most Dems). Anything they do is ok, and anything we do is, well, you fill in the blanks but it’s never anything nice.
So we’ve got these rules, plus lazy media and cowardly/inert Democratic incumbents. Anything we do has simply got to accept these things as givens, and go on from there.
What, btw, happened to Kobe, and where is Wolcott?
Jane, dreaded error 404 on new post when going to page two.
I vote for angry mobbage.
BTW Digby, you rock and thanks for guest starring on this blog! :)
angie, that was your question this morning?! That was great!
yeah,what happened to Wolcott?
When Chris Matthews lived in San Francisco he frequented a Pre-op Tranny bar called the Black Rose. Guess what he was looking for there?
at #41 I meant to say that the program was narrated in the words of Goebbles (sp?) diaries.
i was reverse EPU’d
I’m getting some crazy effects on the Web site. I saw an article posted above this one–”Any Way You Want It, Karl” and it had 2 comments, but I couldn’t get into the comments, and now the article has disappeared. Evil parallel universe, indeed! (Sorry, EPU, nothing personal)
The house votes to drill in Alaska EVERY year- it’s the seasonal drilling issue:
“WASHINGTON — Citing the public outcry over $3-a-gallon gasoline and America’s heavy reliance on foreign oil, the House on Thursday voted to open an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil drilling, knowing the prospects for Senate approval were slim.
Drilling proponents argued that the refuge on Alaska’s North Slope would provide 1 million barrels a day of additional domestic oil at peak production and reduce the need for imports.
But opponents to developing what environmentalists argue is a pristine area where drilling will harm caribou, polar bears and migratory birds, said Congress should pursue conservation and alternative energy sources that would save more oil than would be tapped from the refuge.
The House voted 225-201 to direct the Interior Department to open oil leases on the coastal strip of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge _ an area of 1.5 million acres that is thought likely to hold about 11 billion barrels of recoverable oil.
But the action may be little more than symbolic. Arctic refuge development, while approved by the House five times, repeatedly has been blocked in the Senate where drilling proponents have been unable to muster the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.”
Next will be the flag burning amendment, and the no marriage between persons with dicks amendment.
“Pre-op Tranny bar”?
Man! My life is SO boring.
If they ever wanted to talk about my sex life, it’d be a short conversation, and a cure for insomnia.
Same here — I tried to get to the extended page and got the same message. And it is GONE now. What gives?
Kobe had torsion of his stomach and had surgery and is doing ok– hopefully home with Jane now and resting with Mama. Jane was in OK when it happened and flew straight home and hopefully, Kobe and Mama are resting quietly now.
Thanks, TeddySanFran ;). I try to write in often, and often am too snarky or too transparent to get posted. Trying to strike the balance, all the time.
Pre-op Tranny bar called the Black Rose
????
Is that pre operation transexual?- or something about hot rods?
It went up by accident too soon - we’re having lingering server issues. It will be back later. We try to time these for the community.
Thanks again for your patience.
i guess the next post isn’t ready for public eyes. We want the truth… but we can’t handle the truth! :)
Here’s one of my favorite quotes from Patrick Healy, the NYT author of that Clinton piece, in a self-confessional interview about what journalism means to him.
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?id=4896
Ah, idealistic youth. (I kinda like what he says there, even though he seems to have forgotten his own sage advice.)
Gee, I wonder what he finds so “personally meaningful” about the marital habits of someone who, well, isn’t him.
What’s his investment here? And what’s his level of responsibility now that he’s “judged” this information and found it worth having “presented?”
(My guess is that his answer involves the word “paycheck.”)
Digby Rules.
The Clinton Rules Apply All around idea is good, but i would not direct it at the media whores.
I would direct it, surgicaly at key republicans. If you direct it at the media, they won’t publish it!!!!!!!
If you direct it at the Republicans, it might get published AND the media can then congratulate itself for being FAIR
Let me be clear: Investigating and prosecuting crime is a crucial executive responsibility that I take seriously,” he said. “Those who violate the law — including a member of Congress — should and will be held to account. This investigation will go forward and justice will be served.”
(GW Clusterfuck- announcing his decision to sit on the documents taken from Jefferson’s office)
I like that idea, looseheadprop. Can we start with Frist, Roberts and Specter!
67 looseheadprop -
Wrong, the media may not publish it, but we can do the equivalent information dispersion via the internet, Kos, Atrios, FDL.
And the media, for a number of reasons, just isn’t going to be as aggressive in covering the stories we give them about Republicans.
The only way to expose the media’s hypocrasy and put the fear of god in them is to go after their slimiest denizens directly and unabashedly, just as they go after our democratic leaders. By their actions, they have made themselves, to borrow a phrase, fair game.
as i understand it, Murtha’s gonna be on Blitzer at 7 eastern. I wonder if Blitzer’s Beard will ask hard-hitting questions like “did you watch American Idol last night”? or “what did you think of American Idol last night”?
Just a question? Is this going to be ‘45 BIZ days’ or standard calendar days? If standard, that would be around July 4. A biz day would be closer the election. What’s to stop him from giving another 45 whend he feels like it? What about any ‘evidence’ in there? Fair and speedy trial? Discovery? Prosecution ‘investigation’ is stalled until he says the ‘magic woid’?
Sorta OT, but not really:
0. Number of times Ken Lays name was mentioned during todays White House press gaggle with Tony Snow, which began 30 minutes after the guilty verdict was announced. [via think progress]
looseheadprop, the corporate media aint going to publish anything that their hunting buddies don’t want.
But, stories on the sex lives of the DC corporate media celebrities can fly in the ether. All their dark secrets can circle the globe. And in reality many more people would read it and even add more and more spice to it.
The way to beat a bully is not reason with them but to give them a good pasting. They reform pretty quickly as they are fundamentally cowards.
twolf1– yeah, he had Biden on earlier touting his plan for 2008 (wtf!!!!!!!) and dissing Murtha sayin’ he ain’t got no steenkin’ plan, man.
My reasons for not wanting to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008, should she be a candidate for president, are two. First, I don’t approve of her original and continued support for the Iraq invasion. And second, I find her closeness to, and her reliance on the DLC most distasteful. But…if the beltway characters, pundits, talking heads and so called journalists continue their insidious brand of hypocritical and un-comely rectitudinous invective toward la Hil, I shall be inclined to support her, in her, albeit seemingly opportunistic quest, for the Democratic nomination for president. I see Karl Rove’s devilish hand behind all this. I take comfort only in my faith that Rove will one day join his un-holy mentor, Lee Atwater, in the bowels of Hell. Perhaps for once, the right wing-nuts, the holier than thou religious right and the rabid Hillary haters will be too clever by 1/2. They just may achieve their worse nightmare: President H.R. Clinton. Now that is a delicious thought!
tommy says: “yeah,what happened to Wolcott?”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
He’s back.
Tweety Black Rose…. I like it
Matthews at a Pre-op Tranny bar in SF?
…Broder didn’t mention any details of Hillary’s speech because the poor bastard didn’t understand it…his level is panty sniffing…all these folks piling onto the Clintons means only one thing…they are VERY afraid!…if the thinking set gets elected “journalists” might have to report SUBSTANCE instead of rubbish…rough road that…let’s send ‘em gingko so they can stay awake…
angie - I saw Biden talking to Blitzer’s Beard. I used to like him but since he said he wants to run in 08, his stock has been falling in my book.
Thought perhaps that Wolcott had retired to the Azores to tend his garden and escape the madness. Is this the best of all possible worlds?
It’s been a while since Larry Flynt splurged on a new project. I bet he’d love a second crack at the hypocrites and Lord knows he’d have plenty of targets with this crew — both in the administration and their press enablers.
Pachacutec says: “…we’re having lingering server issues.”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Earlier this afternoon, I noticed when I ran a traceroute on www.firedoglake.com that I was directed to what I think was the old hosting company - The Planet. I could see the IP address and the URL of the final hop in the tracroute’s display.
1,161 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
Let’s take a breath here…how is focusin’ time , material and energy on tryin’ ta change the yellow/trivialization journalism of the corporate media toward Democrats gunna change anything?
In the meantime, the Congressional Black Caucus gets hung out ta dry while Nancy Pelosi puts her name behind Denny Hastert’s tantrum tryin ta draw attention ta Jefferson’s situation (and that’s what this thing is taday folks, the GOPers are tryin ta make it look like they are standin’ tall against the executive goin’ after a little congressman, and a black one at that.) In the meantime, Pelosi is scheduled ta have a face to face with the Black Caucus over Emmanuel and AIPAC’s hijackin’ of the DCCC. Of course, her ultimatum ta Jefferson, without givin’ a warning courtesy hug ta the Black Caucus, forces the CBC ta cancel the smackdown of Emmanuel and alientates the CBC from everyone includin’ liberal activists (take a look at the responses on this blog taday).
Wake up and smell the coffee folks…we have jest a couple a months ta purge the Democratic Party of the Republicrat power weilders Focusin’ time and resourses (and emotional energy) tiltin’ at the windmill of corporate anti-Democratic bias(in both senses of that term)jest ta save Hillary’s honor is a monumental waste of precious resources. Hillary is gunna hafta find a way around or past this “issue” if she is to be a viable candidate…let her expend DLC and Rupert Murdock resources doin that. If she doesn’t succeed, we won’t have Hillary ta kick around in ‘08.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YER EYES ON THE PRIZE!!!
rwcole 81:
Candide, indeed.
rwcole says “Thought perhaps that Wolcott had retired to the Azores to tend his garden and escape the madness.”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
Nothing showed up in an traceroute I ran on his Web site earlier this afternoon when it appeared that his Web site was down. A subsequent traceroute I ran about fifteen minutes ago revealed that his Web site is back to normal.
what on earth is a traceroute?
House Judiciary approves NET NEUTRALITY bill. All Dems plus six R’s, I think incl. Sensenbrenner. Sadly, not on the merits, but ‘turf’. Another bill, another comm.
http://news.com.com/House panel votes for Net neutrality/2100-1028_3-6077007.html?tag=sas.email
To me, CNet’s doing good on this and NSA.
Blogswarm. This shit needs to be countered. Every time.
I can remember when David Broder was a respected journalist.
His recent behavior mocks that description.
What happened–did Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton arouse in him an irresistable taste for sleaze?
My private detective fantasies are being stoked here. Imagine being paid to follow, oh, I dunno…Matt Drudge around for a while to see how he gets off. Something tells me the Pugs That Be have done so already and are using whatever wholesome dish that yielded as leverage.
But now, back to my fantasy: “My clients say you’ve gotta ante up, Matt-boy, or these pictures get shown to momma.”
Oops - in my 3:31 post, a correction: Nothing showed up in
ana traceroute…Re comment 9:
Belinda Stronach was re-elected comfortably by her riding of Newmarket-Aurora in Ontario in the January general election, bucking the trend towards the Conservatives. She was targeted by the right wing because she crossed the aisle to the Liberals after becoming outraged by some right wing skulduggery. The Liberals appointed her to the Cabinet, which provoked howls of outrage from all the predictable quarters. The innuendo about her in the Healy piece was outrageous, and Broder’s reinforcing it even more so.
I guess our “elders and betters” like Don and Pinch and Jeff are gearing up to prevent the country from electing a Democrat who would forthwith surrender to the terrorists by actually prosecuting them in an open trial and obtaining verdicts that those pesky foreign countries might respect. God forbid that America be respected instead of loathed.
Kenny Boy Lay is shocked–shocked–at his conviction. He still believes he’s innocent.
[snip, from Hardball transcript]
SHUSTER: Meanwhile, in the investigation of Karl Rove, sources close to the presidential advisor are now confirming a story first reported in the national journal that Rove, who was a source for columnist Bob Novak, later had a separate conversation with Novak after the investigation began.
Former federal prosecutors are convinced Fitzgerald has explored whether Rove and Novak coordinated their testimony.
But today, a spokesman for Karl Rove said quote, “Karl Rove has never urged anyone, directly or indirectly, to withhold information from the special Counsel or to testify falsely. Circulating such speculation now is nothing short of irresponsible.”
SHUSTER: (on-camera) But the contention is not that Karl Rove urged Bob Novak to withhold information, rather it’s that Rove was assured early in the case that Novak was not going to burn him. Today, Robert Novak was unavailable for comment. As for the overall investigation, including the Libby case, there was also no comment today from the official who has now become a central figure, Vice President Cheney.
I’m David Shuster, for hardball, in Washington.
timewarp says “what on earth is a traceroute?”
May 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Please look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traceroute
I think I saw Broder on that PBS ‘tour’ also. IIRC, he was reallly cross with that person.
It WAS disturbing. Kinda like, ‘He is der feurher, and you will accord him due respect!’…
Sex rumors? I heard Bill Frist breaks into childrens petting zoos late at night and lays in the grass and salts his fanny. Surely this is not true, but it’s out there, right Cokie?
Yeah—Broder thinks Clinton’s doin Belinda–but he’s too chickenshit ta come out and say so.
National Journal:
“On September 29, 2003, three days after it became known that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation, according to people with firsthand knowledge of the federal grand jury testimony of both men…”
Sure sounds like obstruction of justice to me.
Lou Dobbs and Jeffrey Toobin just discussed the Enron verdicts on CNN. I didn’t hear them mention the fact that Ken Lay is a major Bush fundraiser and crony. Was I not paying enough attention?
What time is Junior’s press conference today?
And, do I have to watch it?
Stronach! Really? I coulda sworn I read quite the opposite; but I coulda looked it up…
I’ll stand corrected.
digby:
it’s great to have you post at FDL. Hullabaloo is one helluva site. i’m a devoted fan.
the MSM are, simply said, shameless, hypocritical whores.
with this latest sleaze we are, yet again, reminded of the conspiracy of attacks on Bill and Hillary. regardless of what one might think of them, regardless of whether one wants Hillary to be the Democratic Candidate in ‘08 or not. disgusting.
neurophius - you didn’t hear them mention that FACT because they DIDN’T mention it.
nope, yer right neurophius. no mention of it at all. Where is the outrage, Lou?
Re: press conference dread:
Please please please just tell me they’re not going to announce an invasion of Iran!!
I half hope that Hillary is the candidate- just to see the burned out hulks of smoking goopers lining the streets as their heads explode in indignation! Just imagine!
Suggest everyone “Contact Hardball” at, Hardball email to let them know what they think of the “journalism” displayed today. Below is a copy of what I am sending…
Jacqrat
shorter Broder, et al
The “Battle Him/Her” of the Republic:
“Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
Glory, Glory-hole, a lewd yeah
The ’sniffs go peeking in”
Digby fucking rules!