
Murray Waas continues to break new ground in the Plame story. As the only reporter covering the case who doesn't impose a healthy dose of pro-crook spin on the reader in the process, today he adds quite a bit to the known facts of the Rove timeline:
On September 29, 2003, three days after it became known that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation, according to people with firsthand knowledge of the federal grand jury testimony of both men.
This was also, as emptywheel notes, one day after Mike Allen and Dana Priest published their infamous 1x2x6 article in the Washington Post, when someone in the White House spilled the beans (the notes for which Team Libby are desperately trying to get their hands on, to no avail):
... a senior administration official said that before [Robert] Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of [Joseph] Wilson's wife.
Waas also confirms what was already known -- Ashcroft was being briefed on the details of the case, despite having close ties to Rove (prior to the newly-confirmed James Comey stepping up and telling Ashcroft he needed to recuse himself from the case. Enter Patrick Fitzgerald.)
Sources said that Ashcroft received a special briefing on the highly sensitive issue of the September 29 conversation between Novak and Rove because of the concerns of federal investigators that a well-known journalist might have been involved in an effort to not only protect a source but also work in tandem with the president's chief political adviser to stymie the FBI.Rove testified to the grand jury that during his telephone call with Novak, the columnist said words to the effect: "You are not going to get burned" and "I don't give up my sources," according to people familiar with his testimony. Rove had been one of the "two senior administration" officials who had been sources for the July 14, 2003, column in which Novak outed Plame as an "agency operative." Rove and Novak had talked about Plame on July 9, five days before Novak's column was published.
Rove also told the grand jury, according to sources, that in the September 29 conversation, Novak referred to a 1992 incident in which Rove had been fired from the Texas arm of President George H.W. Bush's re-election effort; Rove lost his job because the Bush campaign believed that he had been the source for a Novak column that criticized the campaign's internal workings.
Rove told the grand jury that during the September 29 call, Novak said he would make sure that nothing similar would happen to Rove in the CIA-Plame leak probe. Rove has testified that he recalled Novak saying something like, "I'm not going to let that happen to you again," according to those familiar with the testimony. Rove told the grand jury that the inference he took away from the conversation was that Novak would say that Rove was not a source of information for the column about Plame. Rove further testified that he believed he might not have been the source because when Novak mentioned to Rove that Plame worked for the CIA, Rove simply responded that he had heard the same information.
Asked during his grand jury appearance his reaction to the telephone call, Rove characterized it as a "curious conversation" and didn't know what to make of it, according to people familiar with his testimony.
Hard to know during which of his 5 grand jury appearances, or at what point during his FBI questioning Rove volunteered any of the above, but according to Murray Rove volunteered the details of the Novak call early on:
Rove, according to attorneys involved in the case, volunteered the information about the September 29 call during his initial interview with FBI agents in the fall of 2003.
It also appears that Novak was acting under a peculiar set of journalistic ethics unique to himself:
Mark Feldstein, the director of journalism programs at George Washington University, said that Novak apparently acted outside traditional journalistic standards by reaching out to Rove after he believed that a criminal investigation had commenced: "A journalist's natural instinct is to protect his source. Were there no criminal investigation, it would have been more than appropriate for a reporter to say to a source, 'Don't worry, I'm not going to out you.' But if there is a criminal investigation under way, you can't escape the inference that you are calling to coordinate your stories. You go very quickly from being a stand-up reporter to impairing a criminal investigation."
A second reason that federal investigators were suspicious, sources said, is that they believed that after the September 29 call, Novak shifted his account of his July 9, 2003, conversation with Rove to show that administration officials had a passive role in leaking Plame's identity.
On July 22, 2003 -- eight days after the publication of Novak's column on Plame -- Newsday reporters Timothy Phelps and Knut Royce quoted Novak as telling them in an interview that it was White House officials who encouraged him to write about Plame. "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me," Newsday quoted Novak as saying about Plame. "They thought it was significant. They gave me the name, and I used it."
If Novak's interview with Phelps and Royce was accurate, sources said, it suggests that Rove was actively involved in trying to expose Plame's CIA job.
Most tantalizingly, we get a glimpse of what Rove's actual story might be at this point:
According to sources, Rove told the FBI and testified to the federal grand jury that he first heard that Plame worked for the CIA from a person whose name he could not remember. That person, he said, might have been a journalist, although he was not certain. Rove has also said that he could not recall whether the conversation took place in person or over the telephone.Rove has testified that he heard more about Plame from Novak, who had originally called him on July 9 about an entirely different matter. It was only at the end of their conversation that Rove heard that Plame worked for the CIA and had some role in sending her husband on his CIA-sponsored trip to Niger, Rove has testified. Having been told this information by Novak, Rove told the FBI, he simply said he had heard the same thing.
Rove told the FBI that on July 11, 2003, two days after his conversation with Novak, he spoke privately with Libby at the end of a White House senior staff meeting. According to Rove's account, he told Libby of his conversation with Novak, whereupon Libby told him that he, too, had heard the same information from journalists who were writing about the Niger controversy.
Rove has testified that based on his conversation with the first person he had spoken to (whom he cannot identify), what Novak told him, and what Libby said, he had come to believe that Plame might have worked for the CIA.
As Murray points out, if this is true then Robert Novak outed a CIA agent on something that had been passed on to him as unverifiable gossip by his sources. The ethically-challenged Novakula should feel quite comfortable in his new home at Fox News.
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The Undead in Drag.
Very Rocky Horror, Jane.
I love Murray Waas!
WAAS!!!
Kobe update?
‘Yew shore got a purty alibi..when’re yew gonna squeal for us?’
;>)
server problems again? FROGMARCH SEASON is heating up !
What a revolting mug.
Ok, now that I have got that out of my system I will read the post!
Jane and Kobe!
Novak must have been so sad when Rove threw him under the bus.
Sounds to me like Novak has perjured him/its self somewhere along the way to the Grand Jury.
LOVE this pic of Novak! Good job!
Rob at 6 — Kobe is doing well enough to have come home with Jane. Yay, Kobe. Not completely out of the woods, but doing quite well. Thanks so much everyone for the patience and the heartfelt concern — it’s meant a lot to us the last coupla days.
Kobe just got home. He’s surprisingly spry. He was curing his lip and snapping his teeth like he does when he doesn’t want to do something I’m trying to make him do (or trying to make him stop doing something he shouldn’t be doing). He doesn’t do it to my face, he thinks he’s doing it behind my back real clever-like.
The fact that he’s pissed at me is a really good sign, IMHO. He is, however, extremely grateful for all the good will that pulled him through — it was quite close, his stomach was blue and if his sitter hadn’t caught the flu and stayed home yesterday he quite probably wouldn’t have made it (if they don’t get to the doctor in time it is 100% fatal). Thanks to everyone for all the prayers and good wishes.
Oh, and Jane — that picture kicks ass. Bwahahahahaha. I’m gonna have icky Rocky Horror nightmares for weeks. And Waas? Like butta…
the tweetster just mentioned “bridge on the river kwai” helll-oooooooooooo? He’s been here.
Good grief, first Linda Tripp this morning and now Novak, I won’t be able to hold down any food today.
Thanx Jane, but feel that David Shuster should be distinguished as at least one more reporter who refrains from the pro-crook spin. Shuster actually got off a beautiful dig yesterday on Hardball. Shuster has been on Rove like hair on a gorilla, and merits respect.
my ears are bleeding - that can mean only one thing - the presser has started
maybe tripp and novak should get together?
Yay for Kobe!
So, is anyone still alive in the FDL Fitzmas bet? Did anyone guess tomorrow?
But wait, what about Luskin’s cat?
chimpy - “the violence and bloodshed has been difficult for the civilized world to comprehend.”
Hope the worm turn sufficiently that all these guys go for survival and throw each other under the bus.
Cheney as co-conspirator would be a shocker.
chimpy - “we cannot find the WMDs that we all believed were there.”
Kobe is NOT a Blair poodle– he is a beautiful and honest dog and a civil servent: unlike the enfants terrible on our collective screens. Thank goodness, Jane– give the sweetie my love.
Question: Why would Novak promise to protect Rove, unless he thought Rove needed it?
OT -
There are a number of things to take issue with in Bush’s comments regarding Iraq today. If anybody knows where a transcript is, post a link to it if you got.
Jane, glad Kobe is recovering. Now you need to calm yourself as well. It must have been a harrowing trip from OK to Portland, and then to the coast. I used to live in Portland, and then Eugene, and it is a long drive from inland to the coast, so that must have been a real anxious time. Here is to a good restful time during the summer.
-sofistic
He was curling his lip and snapping his teeth like he does when he doesn’t want to do something I’m trying to make him do…. He doesn’t do it to my face, he thinks he’s doing it behind my back real clever-like.
Oh Jane, I laughed out loud at the last part. Poodles are such smart dogs! (or think they are anyway). I am so relieved about Kobe!
Comedy Cent should hire Kevin Nealon to do his Mr. Subliminal character from SNL live during Chimpy’s “speeches”
The (British) Poodle speaks.
“arf”
Trying to convince us there is a real government in Iraq.
Ron Zuber 22 — that’s a good question. Bunnypants (20) has May 26, so did LJ/Aquaria (44), mz (175), doran (252), sohei (330), Battocio (355), x174 (365)
Tony is giving us the view from inside the Green Zone. It’s so inspiring, they’re working together so beautifully. He and Bush are doing that Manager 101 thing where they reinforce how much they understand how we feel, but we’re right and you just don’t understand.
Tony speaks our language so much better and does not read from his notes… perhaps we should crawl under the crown again.
after blair is done flappin’ his pie-hole, chimpy’s gonna say “yeah, what he said heh heh heh”
twolf1 -
That WMD quote; that was just uttered tonight?
good grief.
Thanks, everyone. And VG, I will be wearing my poodle PJ’s tonight while Kobe sleeps next to me. He’ll feel very peaceful and safe and heal quite nicely I am sure.
JFYI, Jane, I’ve written 4 comments today that, when I hit submit, just disappear. There’s no message about moderation or anything, just refreshes like normal, but no zennurse.
No biggie, just thought I’d tell you.
See a tongue-in-cheek visual of the Rove and Novak pact to keep their little secret quiet…here:
www.thoughttheater.com
I hope Bunnypants and the others are correct! :)
I’ve now been called “Ron” by Jane, Christy and about six others. Maybe I should just change my name. :)
Blank Kludge 38 - yup. that was said about 10 minutes ago
Time for press questions. Does anybody have the balls to ask about the Kenny Boy conviction–in a way that reminds us he and Bush were cronies?
OMG, he said as the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down and I’ll listen to the Generals.
That’s it, same old same old, just as expected.
JPR here ran a decent piece on the Fitz filing at the top of the 3 o’clock hour. At least they tied it directly to a “White House that can’t be happy about these newest revelations”, or something close to that.
twolf1-
thanks.
…and good grief.
uh oh, looks like chimpy is getting bored. staring at the floor and shifting his weight while blair is yappin’
I caught that, too, Rob, I think it’s the b in your last name. Keep Rob, we’ll adjust, just keep saying it.
;-)
zen
I don’t know. I think I see fear in Tony’s eyes.
Seems like they got the story all set. Wonder when ‘the next six months will be crucial…a turning point’ phrase comes out?
Did you guys just love the part when Bush said “everybody believed [Iraq] had WMDs”? It was early in the conference.
I believe Think Progress debunked that a while ago, citing several nations’ intelligence services that opposed the war.
LOL British reporter is asking Blair whether the invasion was legal.
British press saying that Iraqi govt calls invasion illegal.
Good for them
Heard it, Matt, what else did your younger ears catch?
I think this is turning out to be a Tony Blair press conference.
I’ve been one of those wondering all along why Novak wasn’t in more trouble than he appeared to be. Hard to say if this is an answer or just a more detailed version of the question. I guess we’ll see.
Glad Kobe’s doing better. Don’t feel too bad about the snarly lip thing, pain makes everyone cranky.
Hi Jane! That is such a sweet picture! I’ve checked around on the net for poodle pjs and haven’t found any thing worth mentioning! And, poodles really are so smart. We had a miniature grey when I was growing up (plus countless other animals)- “Puddles” was his name. Peed on the rice paper wallpaper in the hallway on first arrival. xxoo
neurophius/zennurse
That reporter is a “dead man walking.” I hear Gitmo is preparing his room right now. Or at least his phone is bugged from now on. Or his MI5 wife will be exposed…
” You and me against the world…”
Now Bush is calling out the UN and the international community for being soft on tyranny. It troubles him that they are not serious about it.
I can’t stand the way bush is bobbing his head up and down when he speaks.
I am sitting here wondering what Stephen Hadley’s role in this Rove/Novak adventure is.
V.G.! Long time no see. I miss the e-mails!
zennurse -
My hearing is pretty shoddy, I think. I am constantly asking people to repeat what they said because I couldn’t hear them. Sometimes they have to repeat themselves multiple times.
yay indeed for the proud propitious pooch!
Kobe doesn’t decide, but he does inform; he’s the Ex-spleen-erer in Chief.
Our Preznit looks and sounds exhausted. Abso-fucking-lutely wiped out.
we statergize, says chimpy!
Here comes Iran, we have a common goal, me and my poodle, using lots of big words, tyranny, incredibly dangerous, nukular.
the letter: we have no beef with the Iranian people *just want to nuke them*
neurophius - i agree, it always seems he is talking down to people. like he understands it but you don’t. Why hasn’t anyone asked him why he can’t pronounce the word “nuclear” correctly?
zennurse 60:
Bush should be pleased that the UN is so “soft” on tyranny; otherwise, he’d be tried at the Hague for war crimes.
twolf1 @ 4:32 pm (#24) - Personally, I haven’t had any trouble comprehending the violence. It’s the reason it’s happening that has me flummoxed.
Bush: “We respect the culture in Iran.”
Do ya? Name three cities and three of the languages they speak in Iran.
Matt- Too much Rock and Roll? Led Zeppelin and the Allman Brothers did me in and I have hearing aids now.
I missed the funny question about the UN
what was it?
Where’s the beef, bush?
So true, Mike, so true.
It seems to me like Blair is bailing Bush out when he can’t handle questions.
Boy, what a difference, Blair makes real sentences and actually tries to respond to the questions. I kind of believe him.
excellent question Matt o.– kin he doo it?
twolf1 68:
Re: Bush’s condescending tone.
Bush models the way he’s always been spoken to (bein’ an idiot and all).
zennurse -
More like too much U2 and R.E.M. and other alternative rock bands while in high school. I love playing music loud because I like it that way. Now, I have to do it out of necessity just to hear it.
Treasury Secretary John Snow–”I think he’s doing a fine job”–bush.
The kiss of death?
Jane-
Glad your baby is OK. Thanks for all that you and Redd put into FDL. I am hooked!
good point Mike V.
Help me Lord, I love that picture!
Who is this asking about Snow and the economy?
Wahoo, good for him.
Snow is reported to leave about June 9, according to the AP tonight.
Here we go with the Broder response, butbut all the polls say….
Hydrocarbons, expand refineries, congress’ fault.
“We haven’t built a new refinery here since the 1970s”
Gee, you’d think with these record windfall profits, the oil companies wouldn’t need “regulatory relief” to do that.
Bush is so full of it, he still thinks lawsuits are the answer to healthcare. What is this 2003?
chimp - “one way to help health care is to get rid of the giant lawsuits” not direct quote.
–just tell that to Santorum’s wife
Is this, by any chance, the first real presser Bush has given since the last one the Blair did for him?
I would love to know what Labor Party Blair is thinking as Bush drones on about gas prices (which is like $8 gallon, partly because our overconsumption is driving prices up in Europe even more than here) and health care!
Bush on the letter from Iranian PM
Yea I read it, it was sixteen or seventeen single spaced pages.
neurophius
I thought I read somewhere that the oil companies don’t want to build more refineries. From their perspective, why would they rationally want to do that? It’s not in their bottom-line interest to do so. Spend all that money to lower profits? Pssh!
Back to Iraq–”progress is being made”
Oh, really? Have we “turned the corner” yet?
Is “Mission accomplished” yet?
Eureka Springs, AR (89):
… and no where it that letter was anything about the Clinton’s sex lives, I bet.
oops … that should have been “nowhere in that letter”
Eureka -
I liked that, too. Point out how many lines it was to prove you actually looked at it.
Bush: “Islamic fascists. They have a point of view and they want to impose it on the rest of the world.”
Reaaaaally? Doooo tell.
What is it about democracy YOU can’t stand, Mr. Preznit?
I can’t wait to see what the Beeb says about Bush’s responses tonight, I hope they trash him. Elections, Progress, Tyrant killed thousands of his own people, suiciders, deny the terrists a safe haven from which to, Islamic fascist totalitarians. He’s on a roll, he’s hissing and doing the cowboy routine, I think he’s mad at the British guy for daring to question him.
Uh Oh.
Our preznit is insane.
I’m waiting for “peeance-freeance” to slip out again
uh-oh, chimpy’s gettin’ agitated. he must have to pee again, better get Condi.
Has bush said “nine eleven” yet?
The reason Bush’s talking points always sound like a third graders book report is because that is the way they are explained to him.
Bush is just an idiot.
Maybe tomorrow will bring us the penultimate chapter in Fitzilla vs. Rovak. At this point, I kind of see Rove and Novak as a kind of two-headed monster.
“(N)ot a partisan gunslinger” indeed. WhatEVER, Bob. See you in the funny papers!
But he’s our idiot …
Which only makes it worse.
Blair just said we went in with a UN mandate– am
I crazy?
Still goin’ shared vision, war on terra, world a better place. Whew, done
Blair- Already more thoughtful, I can feeeel the eye contact, full sentences with punctuation. I’m not even listening, it’s such a relief.
Is Blair filibustering so Bush won’t have to answer any more questions?
Pic reminds me of that old song “MacArthur Park”–all the sweet green icing running down.
Uh oh, bush looks pissed at the blonde reporter. Pursing his lips.
I can hear Colbert asking if Blair can be our President, just for a couple of years ?
I cannot believe that not ONE major non-cable channel is carrying this. Not. One. Not even PBS.
(I refuse to get cable)
But I can hear it on npr.
News like this calls for a lot of distraction — I predict more panty sniffing. So what if the President and hsi Veep ‘outed” CIA agents with the aid of FOX luminaries like Novakula?
In view of this kind of politically incestuous conspiracy, it’s extremely important that tomorrow’s US news lead with a hard-hitting Insider Report that lets us all know what sort of panties Hillary wears! (Did Bill buy ‘em for her? THAT’s what Rover wants us all to think about. Oh, yeah.)
Forget about missing WMD, or national defense weakened by the outing of a CIA agent (who, coincidentally, worked with WMD and Iran). Those topics are just sooooooo ‘NOT Victoria’s Secret Worthy’.
Much more important to know about Hillary’s undies - lacy? Or not? What color?
Oh, hey, THAT’s the story! Rove’ll get Novakula on that one right away. And after they tell us about Hillary’s panties, they can do some Inside Reporting on Pelosi’s undies, then.. after Breathy Exposes on the panties of a few more female Democratic politicians, who will even remember that the President and Veep are implicated in outing a CIA agent because her husband called bullshit on their claims of WMD?
And, OMG, if we get back to that topic, well… there’s always Plame’s panties. She’s a blonde. She’s a bombshell. Her panties outta get us all Back On Message.
Clearly, FOX News has a motive for panty sniffing Big Time. Watch for Tweety, Timmeh, and the rest of the M$M to follow.
M$M = Victoria’s Secrets R Us.
Oh, yeah.
bush: “It’s hard…”
A nation turns its lonley eyes to Fitz….
2nd time bush has brought up that iraq has no defense minister.
The blonde, I think, is Martha Raddatz, ABC, who IIRC pissed off Dear Leader during the recent “Interview at the Border with Each Network” show.
neurophius 110 - he must have his hand in Blair’s pocket
Bush: “You don’t want politicians making decisions based on politics.”
He just refuted everything politics is founded on…
“you don’t want politicians making decisions based on politics”
Right.
and here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson…
Yay Kobe! Glad to hear that Jane.
Martha? Radditz, challenging question about the standing up standing down show. How can we know.
Conditions on the ground, talk to the generals all the time ( the ones I choose)
Can’t do much without a Defense Secretary, heh, heh, heh ( you stupid woman)
More troops out of Kuwait into Baghdad, boots on the ground, I set the objective. A little pissy here. Repeating himself, defensive, I’m commander in chief for 2.5 more years.*yes he really said that*
bush - “we wanna make sure we complete the mission”
i thought the mission was already accomplished?
TeddySanFran 115
Yes, he called her Martha. He knows about that one.
It has been so hard, so tough, poor me. Unfair unconventional enemy.
“There are no rules of war for these people.”
Neither, sir, according to your Mr. Yoo, are there for us.
He… used… the word “disses.”
Sounds like the rap community needs to come up with a new word for that because when the president uses it, it’s not “cool” anymore.
I understand what it means to have troops in harms way. I fully understand the pressure on our military. Going to a memorial service on Monday *my second* Arrogant.
Bush is calling out “Come On” when the British Press raises the issue of this being Tony’s last visit to see Georgie-Poo,
POS chimpy— puke, throwing up in my house, not my mouth!
So much for CNN’s “best political team on tv” that said Iraq wouldn’t be brought up to much at the presser.
Great familiar voice asking about not having enough to do their job, why should we think Iraqis can do any better than we have? Bill someone, sounds like Sam Donaldson. Who is it??
117,000 trained and equipped Iraqis.
George is worried
Bill Plante, CBS.