
Murray Waas continues to break new ground in the Plame story. As the only reporter covering the case who doesn’t impose a healthy dose of pro-crook spin on the reader in the process, today he adds quite a bit to the known facts of the Rove timeline:
On September 29, 2003, three days after it became known that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation, according to people with firsthand knowledge of the federal grand jury testimony of both men.
This was also, as emptywheel notes, one day after Mike Allen and Dana Priest published their infamous 1×2x6 article in the Washington Post, when someone in the White House spilled the beans (the notes for which Team Libby are desperately trying to get their hands on, to no avail):
… a senior administration official said that before [Robert] Novak’s column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of [Joseph] Wilson’s wife.
Waas also confirms what was already known — Ashcroft was being briefed on the details of the case, despite having close ties to Rove (prior to the newly-confirmed James Comey stepping up and telling Ashcroft he needed to recuse himself from the case. Enter Patrick Fitzgerald.)
Sources said that Ashcroft received a special briefing on the highly sensitive issue of the September 29 conversation between Novak and Rove because of the concerns of federal investigators that a well-known journalist might have been involved in an effort to not only protect a source but also work in tandem with the president’s chief political adviser to stymie the FBI.Rove testified to the grand jury that during his telephone call with Novak, the columnist said words to the effect: "You are not going to get burned" and "I don’t give up my sources," according to people familiar with his testimony. Rove had been one of the "two senior administration" officials who had been sources for the July 14, 2003, column in which Novak outed Plame as an "agency operative." Rove and Novak had talked about Plame on July 9, five days before Novak’s column was published.
Rove also told the grand jury, according to sources, that in the September 29 conversation, Novak referred to a 1992 incident in which Rove had been fired from the Texas arm of President George H.W. Bush’s re-election effort; Rove lost his job because the Bush campaign believed that he had been the source for a Novak column that criticized the campaign’s internal workings.
Rove told the grand jury that during the September 29 call, Novak said he would make sure that nothing similar would happen to Rove in the CIA-Plame leak probe. Rove has testified that he recalled Novak saying something like, "I’m not going to let that happen to you again," according to those familiar with the testimony. Rove told the grand jury that the inference he took away from the conversation was that Novak would say that Rove was not a source of information for the column about Plame. Rove further testified that he believed he might not have been the source because when Novak mentioned to Rove that Plame worked for the CIA, Rove simply responded that he had heard the same information.
Asked during his grand jury appearance his reaction to the telephone call, Rove characterized it as a "curious conversation" and didn’t know what to make of it, according to people familiar with his testimony.
Hard to know during which of his 5 grand jury appearances, or at what point during his FBI questioning Rove volunteered any of the above, but according to Murray Rove volunteered the details of the Novak call early on:
Rove, according to attorneys involved in the case, volunteered the information about the September 29 call during his initial interview with FBI agents in the fall of 2003.
It also appears that Novak was acting under a peculiar set of journalistic ethics unique to himself:
Mark Feldstein, the director of journalism programs at George Washington University, said that Novak apparently acted outside traditional journalistic standards by reaching out to Rove after he believed that a criminal investigation had commenced: "A journalist’s natural instinct is to protect his source. Were there no criminal investigation, it would have been more than appropriate for a reporter to say to a source, ‘Don’t worry, I’m not going to out you.’ But if there is a criminal investigation under way, you can’t escape the inference that you are calling to coordinate your stories. You go very quickly from being a stand-up reporter to impairing a criminal investigation."
A second reason that federal investigators were suspicious, sources said, is that they believed that after the September 29 call, Novak shifted his account of his July 9, 2003, conversation with Rove to show that administration officials had a passive role in leaking Plame’s identity.
On July 22, 2003 — eight days after the publication of Novak’s column on Plame — Newsday reporters Timothy Phelps and Knut Royce quoted Novak as telling them in an interview that it was White House officials who encouraged him to write about Plame. "I didn’t dig it out, it was given to me," Newsday quoted Novak as saying about Plame. "They thought it was significant. They gave me the name, and I used it."
If Novak’s interview with Phelps and Royce was accurate, sources said, it suggests that Rove was actively involved in trying to expose Plame’s CIA job.
Most tantalizingly, we get a glimpse of what Rove’s actual story might be at this point:
According to sources, Rove told the FBI and testified to the federal grand jury that he first heard that Plame worked for the CIA from a person whose name he could not remember. That person, he said, might have been a journalist, although he was not certain. Rove has also said that he could not recall whether the conversation took place in person or over the telephone.
Rove has testified that he heard more about Plame from Novak, who had originally called him on July 9 about an entirely different matter. It was only at the end of their conversation that Rove heard that Plame worked for the CIA and had some role in sending her husband on his CIA-sponsored trip to Niger, Rove has testified. Having been told this information by Novak, Rove told the FBI, he simply said he had heard the same thing.
Rove told the FBI that on July 11, 2003, two days after his conversation with Novak, he spoke privately with Libby at the end of a White House senior staff meeting. According to Rove’s account, he told Libby of his conversation with Novak, whereupon Libby told him that he, too, had heard the same information from journalists who were writing about the Niger controversy.
Rove has testified that based on his conversation with the first person he had spoken to (whom he cannot identify), what Novak told him, and what Libby said, he had come to believe that Plame might have worked for the CIA.
As Murray points out, if this is true then Robert Novak outed a CIA agent on something that had been passed on to him as unverifiable gossip by his sources. The ethically-challenged Novakula should feel quite comfortable in his new home at Fox News.
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Fitz!
LeisureGuy!
The Undead in Drag.
Very Rocky Horror, Jane.
I love Murray Waas!
WAAS!!!
Kobe update?
‘Yew shore got a purty alibi..when’re yew gonna squeal for us?’
;>)
server problems again? FROGMARCH SEASON is heating up !
What a revolting mug.
Ok, now that I have got that out of my system I will read the post!
Jane and Kobe!
Novak must have been so sad when Rove threw him under the bus.
Sounds to me like Novak has perjured him/its self somewhere along the way to the Grand Jury.
LOVE this pic of Novak! Good job!
Rob at 6 — Kobe is doing well enough to have come home with Jane. Yay, Kobe. Not completely out of the woods, but doing quite well. Thanks so much everyone for the patience and the heartfelt concern — it’s meant a lot to us the last coupla days.
Kobe just got home. He’s surprisingly spry. He was curing his lip and snapping his teeth like he does when he doesn’t want to do something I’m trying to make him do (or trying to make him stop doing something he shouldn’t be doing). He doesn’t do it to my face, he thinks he’s doing it behind my back real clever-like.
The fact that he’s pissed at me is a really good sign, IMHO. He is, however, extremely grateful for all the good will that pulled him through — it was quite close, his stomach was blue and if his sitter hadn’t caught the flu and stayed home yesterday he quite probably wouldn’t have made it (if they don’t get to the doctor in time it is 100% fatal). Thanks to everyone for all the prayers and good wishes.
Oh, and Jane — that picture kicks ass. Bwahahahahaha. I’m gonna have icky Rocky Horror nightmares for weeks. And Waas? Like butta…
the tweetster just mentioned “bridge on the river kwai” helll-oooooooooooo? He’s been here.
Good grief, first Linda Tripp this morning and now Novak, I won’t be able to hold down any food today.
Thanx Jane, but feel that David Shuster should be distinguished as at least one more reporter who refrains from the pro-crook spin. Shuster actually got off a beautiful dig yesterday on Hardball. Shuster has been on Rove like hair on a gorilla, and merits respect.
my ears are bleeding – that can mean only one thing – the presser has started
maybe tripp and novak should get together?
Yay for Kobe!
So, is anyone still alive in the FDL Fitzmas bet? Did anyone guess tomorrow?
But wait, what about Luskin’s cat?
chimpy – “the violence and bloodshed has been difficult for the civilized world to comprehend.”
Hope the worm turn sufficiently that all these guys go for survival and throw each other under the bus.
Cheney as co-conspirator would be a shocker.
chimpy – “we cannot find the WMDs that we all believed were there.”
Kobe is NOT a Blair poodle– he is a beautiful and honest dog and a civil servent: unlike the enfants terrible on our collective screens. Thank goodness, Jane– give the sweetie my love.
Question: Why would Novak promise to protect Rove, unless he thought Rove needed it?
OT -
There are a number of things to take issue with in Bush’s comments regarding Iraq today. If anybody knows where a transcript is, post a link to it if you got.
Jane, glad Kobe is recovering. Now you need to calm yourself as well. It must have been a harrowing trip from OK to Portland, and then to the coast. I used to live in Portland, and then Eugene, and it is a long drive from inland to the coast, so that must have been a real anxious time. Here is to a good restful time during the summer.
-sofistic
He was curling his lip and snapping his teeth like he does when he doesn’t want to do something I’m trying to make him do…. He doesn’t do it to my face, he thinks he’s doing it behind my back real clever-like.
Oh Jane, I laughed out loud at the last part. Poodles are such smart dogs! (or think they are anyway). I am so relieved about Kobe!
Comedy Cent should hire Kevin Nealon to do his Mr. Subliminal character from SNL live during Chimpy’s “speeches”
The (British) Poodle speaks.
“arf”
Trying to convince us there is a real government in Iraq.
Ron Zuber 22 — that’s a good question. Bunnypants (20) has May 26, so did LJ/Aquaria (44), mz (175), doran (252), sohei (330), Battocio (355), x174 (365)
Tony is giving us the view from inside the Green Zone. It’s so inspiring, they’re working together so beautifully. He and Bush are doing that Manager 101 thing where they reinforce how much they understand how we feel, but we’re right and you just don’t understand.
Tony speaks our language so much better and does not read from his notes… perhaps we should crawl under the crown again.
after blair is done flappin’ his pie-hole, chimpy’s gonna say “yeah, what he said heh heh heh”
twolf1 -
That WMD quote; that was just uttered tonight?
good grief.
Thanks, everyone. And VG, I will be wearing my poodle PJ’s tonight while Kobe sleeps next to me. He’ll feel very peaceful and safe and heal quite nicely I am sure.
JFYI, Jane, I’ve written 4 comments today that, when I hit submit, just disappear. There’s no message about moderation or anything, just refreshes like normal, but no zennurse.
No biggie, just thought I’d tell you.
See a tongue-in-cheek visual of the Rove and Novak pact to keep their little secret quiet…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
I hope Bunnypants and the others are correct! :)
I’ve now been called “Ron” by Jane, Christy and about six others. Maybe I should just change my name. :)
Blank Kludge 38 – yup. that was said about 10 minutes ago
Time for press questions. Does anybody have the balls to ask about the Kenny Boy conviction–in a way that reminds us he and Bush were cronies?
OMG, he said as the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down and I’ll listen to the Generals.
That’s it, same old same old, just as expected.
JPR here ran a decent piece on the Fitz filing at the top of the 3 o’clock hour. At least they tied it directly to a “White House that can’t be happy about these newest revelations”, or something close to that.
twolf1-
thanks.
…and good grief.
uh oh, looks like chimpy is getting bored. staring at the floor and shifting his weight while blair is yappin’
I caught that, too, Rob, I think it’s the b in your last name. Keep Rob, we’ll adjust, just keep saying it.
;-)
zen
I don’t know. I think I see fear in Tony’s eyes.
Seems like they got the story all set. Wonder when ‘the next six months will be crucial…a turning point’ phrase comes out?
Did you guys just love the part when Bush said “everybody believed [Iraq] had WMDs”? It was early in the conference.
I believe Think Progress debunked that a while ago, citing several nations’ intelligence services that opposed the war.
LOL British reporter is asking Blair whether the invasion was legal.
British press saying that Iraqi govt calls invasion illegal.
Good for them
Heard it, Matt, what else did your younger ears catch?
I think this is turning out to be a Tony Blair press conference.
I’ve been one of those wondering all along why Novak wasn’t in more trouble than he appeared to be. Hard to say if this is an answer or just a more detailed version of the question. I guess we’ll see.
Glad Kobe’s doing better. Don’t feel too bad about the snarly lip thing, pain makes everyone cranky.
Hi Jane! That is such a sweet picture! I’ve checked around on the net for poodle pjs and haven’t found any thing worth mentioning! And, poodles really are so smart. We had a miniature grey when I was growing up (plus countless other animals)- “Puddles” was his name. Peed on the rice paper wallpaper in the hallway on first arrival. xxoo
neurophius/zennurse
That reporter is a “dead man walking.” I hear Gitmo is preparing his room right now. Or at least his phone is bugged from now on. Or his MI5 wife will be exposed…
” You and me against the world…”
Now Bush is calling out the UN and the international community for being soft on tyranny. It troubles him that they are not serious about it.
I can’t stand the way bush is bobbing his head up and down when he speaks.
I am sitting here wondering what Stephen Hadley’s role in this Rove/Novak adventure is.
V.G.! Long time no see. I miss the e-mails!
zennurse -
My hearing is pretty shoddy, I think. I am constantly asking people to repeat what they said because I couldn’t hear them. Sometimes they have to repeat themselves multiple times.
yay indeed for the proud propitious pooch!
Kobe doesn’t decide, but he does inform; he’s the Ex-spleen-erer in Chief.
Our Preznit looks and sounds exhausted. Abso-fucking-lutely wiped out.
we statergize, says chimpy!
Here comes Iran, we have a common goal, me and my poodle, using lots of big words, tyranny, incredibly dangerous, nukular.
the letter: we have no beef with the Iranian people *just want to nuke them*
neurophius – i agree, it always seems he is talking down to people. like he understands it but you don’t. Why hasn’t anyone asked him why he can’t pronounce the word “nuclear” correctly?
zennurse 60:
Bush should be pleased that the UN is so “soft” on tyranny; otherwise, he’d be tried at the Hague for war crimes.
twolf1 @ 4:32 pm (#24) – Personally, I haven’t had any trouble comprehending the violence. It’s the reason it’s happening that has me flummoxed.
Bush: “We respect the culture in Iran.”
Do ya? Name three cities and three of the languages they speak in Iran.
Matt- Too much Rock and Roll? Led Zeppelin and the Allman Brothers did me in and I have hearing aids now.
I missed the funny question about the UN
what was it?
Where’s the beef, bush?
So true, Mike, so true.
It seems to me like Blair is bailing Bush out when he can’t handle questions.
Boy, what a difference, Blair makes real sentences and actually tries to respond to the questions. I kind of believe him.
excellent question Matt o.– kin he doo it?
twolf1 68:
Re: Bush’s condescending tone.
Bush models the way he’s always been spoken to (bein’ an idiot and all).
zennurse -
More like too much U2 and R.E.M. and other alternative rock bands while in high school. I love playing music loud because I like it that way. Now, I have to do it out of necessity just to hear it.
Treasury Secretary John Snow–”I think he’s doing a fine job”–bush.
The kiss of death?
Jane-
Glad your baby is OK. Thanks for all that you and Redd put into FDL. I am hooked!
good point Mike V.
Help me Lord, I love that picture!
Who is this asking about Snow and the economy?
Wahoo, good for him.
Snow is reported to leave about June 9, according to the AP tonight.
Here we go with the Broder response, butbut all the polls say….
Hydrocarbons, expand refineries, congress’ fault.
“We haven’t built a new refinery here since the 1970s”
Gee, you’d think with these record windfall profits, the oil companies wouldn’t need “regulatory relief” to do that.
Bush is so full of it, he still thinks lawsuits are the answer to healthcare. What is this 2003?
chimp – “one way to help health care is to get rid of the giant lawsuits” not direct quote.
–just tell that to Santorum’s wife
Is this, by any chance, the first real presser Bush has given since the last one the Blair did for him?
I would love to know what Labor Party Blair is thinking as Bush drones on about gas prices (which is like $8 gallon, partly because our overconsumption is driving prices up in Europe even more than here) and health care!
Bush on the letter from Iranian PM
Yea I read it, it was sixteen or seventeen single spaced pages.
neurophius
I thought I read somewhere that the oil companies don’t want to build more refineries. From their perspective, why would they rationally want to do that? It’s not in their bottom-line interest to do so. Spend all that money to lower profits? Pssh!
Back to Iraq–”progress is being made”
Oh, really? Have we “turned the corner” yet?
Is “Mission accomplished” yet?
Eureka Springs, AR (89):
… and no where it that letter was anything about the Clinton’s sex lives, I bet.
oops … that should have been “nowhere in that letter”
Eureka -
I liked that, too. Point out how many lines it was to prove you actually looked at it.
Bush: “Islamic fascists. They have a point of view and they want to impose it on the rest of the world.”
Reaaaaally? Doooo tell.
What is it about democracy YOU can’t stand, Mr. Preznit?
I can’t wait to see what the Beeb says about Bush’s responses tonight, I hope they trash him. Elections, Progress, Tyrant killed thousands of his own people, suiciders, deny the terrists a safe haven from which to, Islamic fascist totalitarians. He’s on a roll, he’s hissing and doing the cowboy routine, I think he’s mad at the British guy for daring to question him.
Uh Oh.
Our preznit is insane.
I’m waiting for “peeance-freeance” to slip out again
uh-oh, chimpy’s gettin’ agitated. he must have to pee again, better get Condi.
Has bush said “nine eleven” yet?
The reason Bush’s talking points always sound like a third graders book report is because that is the way they are explained to him.
Bush is just an idiot.
Maybe tomorrow will bring us the penultimate chapter in Fitzilla vs. Rovak. At this point, I kind of see Rove and Novak as a kind of two-headed monster.
“(N)ot a partisan gunslinger” indeed. WhatEVER, Bob. See you in the funny papers!
But he’s our idiot …
Which only makes it worse.
Blair just said we went in with a UN mandate– am
I crazy?
Still goin’ shared vision, war on terra, world a better place. Whew, done
Blair- Already more thoughtful, I can feeeel the eye contact, full sentences with punctuation. I’m not even listening, it’s such a relief.
Is Blair filibustering so Bush won’t have to answer any more questions?
Pic reminds me of that old song “MacArthur Park”–all the sweet green icing running down.
Uh oh, bush looks pissed at the blonde reporter. Pursing his lips.
I can hear Colbert asking if Blair can be our President, just for a couple of years ?
I cannot believe that not ONE major non-cable channel is carrying this. Not. One. Not even PBS.
(I refuse to get cable)
But I can hear it on npr.
News like this calls for a lot of distraction — I predict more panty sniffing. So what if the President and hsi Veep ‘outed” CIA agents with the aid of FOX luminaries like Novakula?
In view of this kind of politically incestuous conspiracy, it’s extremely important that tomorrow’s US news lead with a hard-hitting Insider Report that lets us all know what sort of panties Hillary wears! (Did Bill buy ‘em for her? THAT’s what Rover wants us all to think about. Oh, yeah.)
Forget about missing WMD, or national defense weakened by the outing of a CIA agent (who, coincidentally, worked with WMD and Iran). Those topics are just sooooooo ‘NOT Victoria’s Secret Worthy’.
Much more important to know about Hillary’s undies – lacy? Or not? What color?
Oh, hey, THAT’s the story! Rove’ll get Novakula on that one right away. And after they tell us about Hillary’s panties, they can do some Inside Reporting on Pelosi’s undies, then.. after Breathy Exposes on the panties of a few more female Democratic politicians, who will even remember that the President and Veep are implicated in outing a CIA agent because her husband called bullshit on their claims of WMD?
And, OMG, if we get back to that topic, well… there’s always Plame’s panties. She’s a blonde. She’s a bombshell. Her panties outta get us all Back On Message.
Clearly, FOX News has a motive for panty sniffing Big Time. Watch for Tweety, Timmeh, and the rest of the M$M to follow.
M$M = Victoria’s Secrets R Us.
Oh, yeah.
bush: “It’s hard…”
A nation turns its lonley eyes to Fitz….
2nd time bush has brought up that iraq has no defense minister.
The blonde, I think, is Martha Raddatz, ABC, who IIRC pissed off Dear Leader during the recent “Interview at the Border with Each Network” show.
neurophius 110 – he must have his hand in Blair’s pocket
Bush: “You don’t want politicians making decisions based on politics.”
He just refuted everything politics is founded on…
“you don’t want politicians making decisions based on politics”
Right.
and here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson…
Yay Kobe! Glad to hear that Jane.
Martha? Radditz, challenging question about the standing up standing down show. How can we know.
Conditions on the ground, talk to the generals all the time ( the ones I choose)
Can’t do much without a Defense Secretary, heh, heh, heh ( you stupid woman)
More troops out of Kuwait into Baghdad, boots on the ground, I set the objective. A little pissy here. Repeating himself, defensive, I’m commander in chief for 2.5 more years.*yes he really said that*
bush – “we wanna make sure we complete the mission”
i thought the mission was already accomplished?
TeddySanFran 115
Yes, he called her Martha. He knows about that one.
It has been so hard, so tough, poor me. Unfair unconventional enemy.
“There are no rules of war for these people.”
Neither, sir, according to your Mr. Yoo, are there for us.
He… used… the word “disses.”
Sounds like the rap community needs to come up with a new word for that because when the president uses it, it’s not “cool” anymore.
I understand what it means to have troops in harms way. I fully understand the pressure on our military. Going to a memorial service on Monday *my second* Arrogant.
Bush is calling out “Come On” when the British Press raises the issue of this being Tony’s last visit to see Georgie-Poo,
POS chimpy— puke, throwing up in my house, not my mouth!
So much for CNN’s “best political team on tv” that said Iraq wouldn’t be brought up to much at the presser.
Great familiar voice asking about not having enough to do their job, why should we think Iraqis can do any better than we have? Bill someone, sounds like Sam Donaldson. Who is it??
117,000 trained and equipped Iraqis.
George is worried
Bill Plante, CBS.
new drinking game – whenever chimpy says “progress,” have a shot.
I am no fan of Finemans, however, at least today he did something few others have done – tied Bush and his minions directly to Kennyboy.
I totally disagree with his “positive” point later in the column about economic resilience. He just criticized the Bush/Enron corporate culture, then praises it for telling us to “Go shopping” after 9/11. GAG. Consumption is what’s killing us, you idiots!
Important Baghdad is secure. No shit sherlock.
His overuse of the phrase “I understand” is an attempt to refute the fact he is fluently incompetent.
I come over for a visit and you scare the s**t out of me.
Matt O. Check your email.
Thanks for the press conference blogging. Not playing on any of our stations. I’m pretty grateful, actually. Why are they doing this in the first place?
117,000 trained and equipped Iraqis.
many of whom are now fighting our military or carrying out reprisal strikes
I think the name was Plante. CBS.
Jane, I’m so glad Kobe is healing and home – hope you both get to rest up and snuggle….
Thanks, teddy.
A few minutes ago Blair asked his press team to ask more challenging questions.
Blair was in Iraq a week ago and is talking about his experiences extemporaneously. When was Bush in Iraq last?
Blair: “building these institutions from scratch…”
Gosh, I hope W busts him on nation-building.
On the topic of giving other bloggers credit…
I know that picture of Novak. I first saw it on Mark Hoback’s, blog, FGAQ.
I remember it particularly, because it was about the time that Katherine Harris complained about photos of her being altered to make her look grotesque, and Novak was sympathetic during on of his talking heads gigs. FGAQ has a good one of Harris about that time, too.
I consider Mark a friend, and would appreciate your crediting him.
meta “Why are they doing this in the first place?”
I think bush hopes it will boost his ratings–need to try something.
chimpy just said he regrets saying “bring it on” and “wanted dead or alive”
timewarp (#89):
i’ve heard that gas prices aren’t up in europe because of the appreciation of the Euro. i would think the same applies to the pound but actually i’m not sure. part of the appreciation of the price of oil is the falling dollar.
Here comes the MISTAKE question?
Bush regrets saying Bring it on, learned lessons about expressing himself in a more sophisticated manner. WE are paying for Abu Ghraib, theyve been tried and convicted,
OK, he still can’t express himelf and he brushes off torture by saying, all done, nothing to see.
Sounded like his “mistakes” answer was coming from a reluctant 8 year old. Kinda forced, maybe?
And people in “some parts of the world” took “bring it on” the wrong way?
presser all done
Now for Tweety’s spin…
Bush, Blair, dinner at Signatures.
End
JWR 151 re: And people in “some parts of the world” took “bring it on” the wrong way?
“some” meaning “all”
Janes post was pre-empted by two below freezing JAR politicians, thinking they can yak there way to the promised land.
Matt O. (#155):
Signatures? isn’t that “JackInTheBox” now?
Tweety saying now that no one expects Blair to be PM by the end of Bush’s term in 2009; some of us, of course, have a similar expectation wrt W.
Tweety spinning the “mistakes” question–
bush “rather dramatically” made some admissions-
Tweety is dazzled that bush mentioned Abu Ghraib–
That was pitiful.
neurophius says:
May 25th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Treasury Secretary John Snow%u2013″I think he’s doing a fine job”%u2013bush.
The kiss of death?
———————————————————-
He was more or less axed months ago, but they can’t find anyone who wants his job.
Wow ! What facial expressions chimpy makes when admitting a mistake. Thats four I think once in N.O. and tonight Bring it on, Wanted dead or alive, oh and Abu Graib!!!
Ooo, NPR says Bush was “surprisingly frank” in his remarks about regretting “Abu Gah-reb” and “bring it on.”
Ron Elving says Bush showed a “remarkable stoke of humility” in his expression of regrets.
Noron O’Dunno is REALLY impressed that bush admitted some mistakes. Talking about his legacy.
AAAARGGGHH !!
I am yelling at Tweety and Noron right now.
“I was so taken when he” belately, half-assed “said abu ghrab was bad”
Noron is creaming, and tweety is ready to blow him, again.
Not to sniff, but I think Norah’s getting a little moist about W’s performance….
thanks again, digby…….
my novak illustration
fahrender
That was pretty funny. “Jack in the Box,” because he’s going to prison and his name is Jack! I choked a bit on my juice when reading that.
OMG-the preznit said “we want to make sure we complete the mission.” Then he asked Tony to dinner!
Oh, now Tweety is letting Olbermann speak…
Bush seems open only because he has been so not-open in the past–
“We wanta make sure we comeplete the mission”–Keith references “Mission Accomplished” 3 years and so many days ago..
Tweety didn’t seem happy about ceding the camera to Keith, but wow KO was fabu: “three years and 24 days since the Mission Accomplished…”
No matter what Bush say’s tweety gets enough wood to build a boat. Jayzus! What a man-crush.
I’d rather listen than watch Tweety and Noron, I’ll tell you.
Now back to an interview with David Remick, the editor of the New Yorker.
Ahhhhh . . . I love the smell of conspiricy indictments in the afternoon!
I know, he said he was “moved.”
Shuster said in his report yesterday that Fitz only has 4 prosecutors working with him on the Leak Case. No wonder this is taking so long. I never realized his team was so small.
It’s ok, they’re all quite smart, obviously, from their filings. Scooter and Rover are completely screwed. Done. Finished. They’re just dragging it out waiting for the pardons I guess.
And yay for Kobe! I’m so glad he’s doing better.
What, for pete’s sake, would it take for someone other than Olbermann to report what happened without the fawning?
Laura, oh Laura. Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave me…
Yean, somewhere someone today was wondering how many atty’s Starr had to find nothing on Clinton.
twolf1 @157 – “some” meaning “all”
It was so sad when he said that I had no choice but to laugh like hell. What a pathetic performance.
TheOtherWA
If Libby and Rove, especially, are found guilty, I guarantee you Bush will pardon them, or at least Rove.
Anybody willing to place wagers.
did anyone notice this – when chimpster said, referring to memorial day events, “I’m gonna have to see the families of the fallen.” did anyone feel like he didn’t want to do it but knew it was an inevitability? Like he was dreading it?
Mr. and Mrs. Karl and Robert (Novak) Rove. A match produced in Hades. Well…it’s apparent who wears the pants and who wears silk diapers in that twisted relationship. Perhaps Bobby likes to be spanked. And from experience it does seem Herren Karl has, (metaphorically conjuring, or not) a fondness and innate affinity for political whips and chains.
Tweety: Bring it on “may in some small way have encouraged” the insurrection. Oh, now Joe Scarborough. First, Tweety sez W elevated himself!
I think Tweety’s gonna cry.
Tweety is so of the kool-aid.
WTF!!!
Sounds like the MSM cleanup crew has arrived. These people are just dying to find a way to forgive the freak. Slimy!
Skilling and Lay remarks are incredibly scary! No sense of reality.
Tweety: “Bush elevated himself above his critics by saying, ‘I’m a wartime president.’ I don’t like war.”
Puh-leeze. Bush loves being the wartime president. It’s just those people on the gall darn talking box saying he’s doing is all wrong.
Uh oh–Tweety talking about “some people on the anti-war front” saying I-told-you-so…you can tell he doesn’t like that at all…
Pardons are a sucker’s bet.
twolf, absolutely, his voice dropped on the radio. I think that was kind of a canned answer, prepared for whenever it came up again.
yuh- huh, twolf1, loud and clear! Tis haaaaaaaaaaard wurk.
JWR 183, that wasn’t the only time i laughed. you could have taken a recorded speech from 2 years ago, played it back and you would have heard the same spewing oral diarrhea.
Matt O. isn’t there a delicate tapdance about the timing of any pardons? Once granted, the person can be forced to testify against anyone else in the group because there’s no risk of self incrimination. That could be dangerous for the higher ups later.
Methodist? Bush is an evangelical Christian. He might as well be Pentacostal.
Tweety: Moral imperative. Norah: Hard to argue that the Preznit does not believe in this.
New drinking game: a shot every time Norah calls W “resolute:” I’m on my third shot, but who’s counting?
#197
How could they be forced? Logic, man, logic.
Re: Novakula.
I’m curious as to where the story is coming from. My guess is someone on Rove’s legal team, since they seem to know so much about Rove’s testimony. Remember, Gold Bars Luskin is a Democrat, and he’s also a sleaze. I would imagine he keeps similar company. Less likely but possible: The leaker is Novak (or his attorney), who has flipped and was shown Rove’s prior testimony in order to refute it.
Either way, I think Novak HAS flipped. Otherwise, he’d be up on his pedastal shouting about how he’d NEVER betray a source. And I think he flipped because he absolutely had to, for one reason or another. Here’s a fun thought: Is there any chance he taped his phone calls with Rove? I thought it was weird when Team Libby asked Fitz for any wiretap transcripts that he had. Maybe he had a specific reason for asking.
KO on MSNBC at the top of the hour. That should give him some time to prepare what he’s going to say about the press conference…might be good.
I loved that part in the middle when Bush got all snippy and started cutting his words short like his father, not guuh duit, wouldn’t be prudent, but George W does it like a 5 year old in the grocery when you tell him he can’t have Froot Loops. He hates being asked questions that challenge his power or his elevated decisions.
Apparently, MSNBC has run out of talking points, as they have elected to re-run Dear Leader’s comments from the Presser and then re-reading what Karl faxed to them.
I missed the beginning of the presser: did no one ask W if he’d pardon Kenny-Boy?
Not to mention all the words about how well the Iraqis are doing with democracy, without anyone mentioning all the things he’s been doing to kill it off at home.
TheOtherWA
I believe that’s true but I don’t see that kind of thing happening, especially if a Republican wins in 2008. (God forbid.)
I cannot believe Tweety and Noron are acting like he redeemed himself. They must have twenty grand in unmarked bills in their dressing rooms.
TeddySanFran 204 – No! all about Iraq and 1 about health care with maybe one economy one thrown in for good measure.
TSF 204:
Apparently the press was too interested in Iraq to ask about any domestic issues…or else Karl tipped them off that it wasn’t allowed…
zennurse -
Dare I say wrapped in tin foil in their freezer, perhaps?
Stephen 200-
What I meant was, during the criminal process, Fitz cannot call Scooter to the stand. He can choose not to testify. If pardoned, he can’t use that excuse anymore.
zennurse 207 – the money is in their FREEZERS
but as the NY Times reminds us, Bill is not unmarked
looks to me like the very heterosexual T. Carlson has been spending too much time in the tanning booth….
Oh, how could I make such a faux pas!!!???
Of course, but at least they don’t need the National Guard to get at it.
It’s Wharhol meet Rockie Horror on the photo, very cool. What great Halloween masks that would make.
Glad to hear Kobe is home and healing.
As long as the media is talking about Senator Clinton’s yellow pants suit, I would just like to point out that Tucker Carlsen is wearing an incredibly gaudy, tacky, cheap-looking jacket and it doesn’t go with his shirt at all. He shouldn’t have given up the bow-ties, at least they distracted viewers from the way he dresses generally.
Os Bowtie Boy panting?? He must be thrilled.
BTW, has anyone seen the cover of the New Yorker this week, Uncle Sam in an empty suit??
the very heterosexual T. Carlson has been spending too much time in the tanning booth%u2026.
Wouldn’t that make him the “flaming T. Carlson”?
Is Jane the most beautiful woman on the planet?
Inquiring minds want to know.
The weird thing is, we all “know” that the WHIG made a concerted effort to out Plame; I would argue without even thinking of the consequences, so drunk with power they were, that WHIG did it impulsively, without any regard to what Val was actually doing, and so they blew it for themselves.
Arrogance and power are a toxic mix.
Can Fitz prove it? I think so, personally, but that’s because I’m a chronic believer in the wheels of justice.
The GOP has siezed so much power I understand how naive this sentiment is.
David Gregory says he thinks Bush’s “mistakes” answer was prepared…heckuva job, Karl!
Zennurse @ #76 …. “Boy, what a difference, Blair makes real sentences and actually tries to respond to the questions. I kind of believe him.”
Be careful what you wish for….
Everything is relative, but just because he’s sharper than Bush doesn’t make him any less disingenuous (I don’t think Bush could have made it the British parliamentary system). I voted for Blair in ‘97 and ‘01, but I’m tired of him now and don’t trust him at all – which is sad given some of the genuinely good progressive things his government has done in comparison to the last.
zennurse
Of course, my comments about the money in the freezer is just “wild speculation” on “the internets.”
Which reminds me, I just bought a few t-shirts to wear in Vegas next month.
Including my organic FDL t-shirt, I got a shirt that says “There are rumors on the internets,” a “Stewart/Colbert ‘08″ shirt and a “petrolcide” shirt where the guy is blowing his brains out with a gas pump.
I meant, “the flaming heterosexual T. Carlson,” of course.
TheotherWA
Whoa boy,
You are way out there on this. Bush could pardon Scooter today and that would be it. I believe the actual pardon wouldn’t take effect until 1/1/07, but the trial isn’t scheduled to begin until January, anyway. What’s yer point? If I’m pardoned for my crime, how can I be compelled to testify? Chances are all my co-conspirators are pardoned as well. Remember Caspar Weinberger.
Oooh, David Gregory agrees with me?
I still think he should guest post here, I haven’t heard back from him since I wrote him last night.
Funny how the narrative arc works out on pressers.
The Preznint speaks in front of some kind of preposterous backdrop and Tweety and Noron and the rest jiz all over their own laps saying how steely an’ resolute an’ firm an’ commanding he was. And then a month later, they refer to the very same press conference as a dismal failure that promised everything and delivered nothing.
They’re like myrmidons, but with something wonky in their wiring.
Blair and Bush appearing together and nobody asked what date Iran is ‘penciled in’ for?
John O (long lost cousin perhaps?)
In her HuffPO picture, I think Jane looks like Heather Locklear *rawr*
Don’t we know that Mrs. Librarian Boyfriend-Killer called W on his “dead or alive” call several years ago? Interesting also that David Gregory corrected Tweety: “The President was absolutely prepared for that question.” Tweety wanted to frame the “mistake?” answer as spontaneous.
Gregory getting all meta about trust, leadership, and admitting mistakes. Sounds like he also got the Rover fax….
neurophius @221 – His “mistakes” answer sounded extremely canned.
Great shirts Matt, I love that petrolcide shirt. Where did you get the rumors one, is it at cafepress? I look dumpy in tshirts, they aren’t the best look for older ladies like me, but I have my eye on a few.
Matt O
So you’ll be easy to spot. I’ll be there for a day and a half.
This is a mundane quesions, but now that the Decider/Divider has ordered the seized Jefferson documents sealed and therefore unavailable to all pertinent parties, who holds them? Don’t you think the FBI has already started to run them through their fine-toothed comb? I’m just trying to figure out how they mainain the chain of custody. Not that I think that there would be any tampering or anything like that. No.
Will, have no fear. You probably aren’t subjected to Bush as often as we are, it is painful and embarrassing to listen to him for even a full minute. He literally hisses like a snake when he gets agitated. It’s just terrible. To hear full sentences that follow some kind of pattern and where the response demonstrates the slightest thought is just a pleasure.
Noron looked troubled before she realized the camera was on her then she smiled.
Her laugh is like a witch!
Matt, my son and I were at the Salvation Army and found two Squirrel Nut Zipper T-shirts
“not a partisan gunslinger”
Is a journalist allowed to outright lie about a source in order to throw people off the scent?
So glad I missed the presser – much better reading it from all your great comments here.
I did turn on the TV for a second – just long enough to hear Noron swooning about how dumbya, despite the poll numbers “really believes he’s doing the right thing” or somesuch hogwash. Even my sweet, sainted mother, who likes just about everybody, remarked about Noron – “She’s just horrible – isn’t she!” Haha! Then I turned it off.
One question – did Tweety say dumbya “Hit a homerun?” That’s his usual commentary about Bush speeches – all in a day’s work for The Man – good Jack Welch boy that he is…
Matt O.- please check email & ETC ;) for update.
Zennurse-Hold on to them. SNZ’s rule!
zennurse,
Yeah, it was a cafepress shirt for under $20. I must say, I laughed at the “I look dumpy in t-shirts.” Just the word “dumpy” sounds funny.
Oilfieldguy,
I guess so. I am planning on looking professional while in Vegas, too. Busting out my pinstripe suit(s) [trying to find a suit jacket with pink pinstripes], and I love to wear pink open-collared shirts.
everhopeful: Haven’t heard “Hit a home run” yet, but Tweety seems mighty impressed. Oh! He’s comparing bush to Lincoln! ROTFLMAO
Speaking of t-shirts, there’s a great site called spreadshirt that will put your custom anything on even one shirt. I just got my “I’m with Stupid’s wife” for my band’s last gig at the beach.
Stephen, I’m not “way out there” on anything. Libby, and most likely Rove too, are in serious trouble. They’re hoping for pardons to make all this go away, but will they get them? I have no idea.
If Bush grants pardons before Libby’s trial, he’d have to pardon everyone involved to make it go away. That may be a lot of people. If he only pardons some, there’s still a huge risk for anyone not pardoned.
And I doubt any president with 2 and a half years left in his term would hand out pardons for his own staff.
“If they’re right it’s going to be an amazing accomplishment…” David Gregory
We waited three years to hear this?
I work retail and we have all kinds of screen t-shirts. We just got in a t-shirt with Bush’s face and devil horns. I put it at the front of the store…
Guess I better give more thought to my steel toed boots and coveralls!
I’m thinking strapless!
Now for the no-bullshit critique–Countdown.
Oh, Sharbabe, thanks, babe, I want that site. I have to see if they do tall shirts. I have a tall son and I can’t find any shirts for him anywhere, not cool ones anyway. If anyone knows a good source for Rock shirts that have XLT, I’m there.
Stephen, yeah, they were a great find. I love Sally’s, you never know what you’ll come up with and we have a huge one nearby. Tons of tshirts.
neurophius 2443 – i hate when they compare chimpyshit to Lincoln or Washington. It drives me up a wall. My hatred stems from when a good, brainwashed friend of mine did it before the last pres elections.
Matt, 229:
Right on. Though Heather Locklear never crossed my mind. I’m a brunette guy, which makes Jane even more exceptional.
No, it’s her mind I love.
I’ll wear my black w/yellow lettered “DEA” t-shirt.
Drunk Every Afternoon
Ensenada, Mexico
I am very relieved to hear about Kobe’s condition.
Updates, please, on his continued progress.
Bobbbeee, been here long? Look, I’m told that it’s a real casual thing there, no fancy stuff unless you go to some fancy restaurant, is that right? I don’t dress up, I’m a hippie.
I don’t like David Gregory. At times he’s seemed promising but has usually ended up being a let-down. And, I think he gets way too much credit for mixing it up with little Scotty in the press room – he just goes back and files the same ol’ same ol’ reports.
One night last week I saw him on some show saying he thinks Bush’s poll numbers are in the dumper because Americans don’t seem to like politicians to be “sure” anymore. Yeah, that must be it, Dave…
Remember, he also works for NBC – the network of Jack Welch.
Love some watertiger
uplifting Bush humor
OH. MY. GOD.
Talk about the proverbial lipstick on a pig.
Yeesh. I’m going to have nightmares after that pic.
Oilfieldguy
I’ll be there the 8th until the 11th.
Fitz to Rove is as Einstein to the punk holding up the quickee mart.
TeddySanFran 230, I mentioned that fact to someone today and they got all snotty.
Gave me the “but she’s a beloved first lady!” routine.
My rules: She has to have Mamie Eisenhower bangs to qualify for “beloved first lady” status.
Well, the Presidence laments Abooo Ga-rahb.
He’s fixin’ to have a Mi Lai next.
“…WASHINGTON – As many as seven Marines are accused of dragging an innocent Iraqi man from his home in April, killing him in cold blood and then trying to cover up the crime, NBC News has learned.
Further, military officials tell NBC that at least one of the Marines has reportedly confessed in the killing, saying they find the allegations especially disturbing because the case appears to have been a premeditated killing and not carried out in the heat of combat.
The revelations come on the heels of a visit to Iraq by the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps to address concerns that Marines are becoming indifferent to killing and death.
The alleged incident occurred April 26 in the town of Hamandiyah. The Marines are accused of dragging the innocent man from his home, shooting him to death, then planting an AK-47 rifle and a shovel next to his body, apparently to make it appear the man had been burying an IED, one of the roadside bombs that have been so deadly to U.S. forces in Iraq.
As many as 19 Marines have been returned to Camp Pendleton in California pending investigations, officials tell NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski. The Hamandiyah allegations mean the U.S. military is now investigating two separate incidents in which Marines are accused of killing innocent, unarmed Iraqi civilians.
Gen. Michael W. Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, reportedly told members of Congress that Marines had killed as many as 24 innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, last November in Haditha, northwest of Baghdad, and not the 15 first reported…”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12972552/
OOps, got confused, it was Shuster I wrote, not gregory. I like David Gregory if only because he is, besides Helen Thomas, one of the only WH reporters who has a pulse.
Rayne, it was on Mark Hoback’s FGAQ last year, but I thik it was when you were offline.
zennurse -
Yeah, Vegas has become all t-shirts, halter tops, and flip-flops.
#245, Neither Libby, nor Rove, are relying on pardons for anything right now. They may well be cooperating witnesses at some point, but they will likely be immune from prosecution at that point. The pardons (and you better believe anyone who needs a pardon will get one.
Again-think Caspar Weinberger) are contingent on the republican’s retention of the house. If they lose the house and/or the Senate then all bets are off.
Margot 261, Eleanor Roosevelt would have simply gunned down all these assholes by now.
For some reason, this is a stunner. Rove’s sock puppet. What a player that Novack must think he is. And at the expense of all those intelligence sources that Plame probably cultivated. And her safety and career– But boys’ clubs never care about women’s careers or about the lives of people they can’t see or hear.
Ensenada
Is Hussongs still there? First place this 16 year old got drunk. Forty years ago.
zenn – spreadshirt’s almost strictly words – they have a few stock graphic icons, but it’s a word shirt place mainly.
Hussongs?
Don’t recall. But, then I don’t recall a whole lot from down there.
Ohmigawd, could Fitz be considering charges against Novak, as well?
I can’t imagine beginning a jail term at 75 years of age being too pleasant.
Ahhhh, sweet schadenfreude…
this is fun:
NYT
“WASHINGTON, May 24 %u2014 Douglas J. Feith’s table at the Georgetown University faculty club is shaping up as a lonely one.
The move to a teaching position at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown by Mr. Feith, a former Pentagon official, set off a faculty kerfuffle, with 72 professors, administrators and graduate students signing a letter of protest, some going as far as to accuse him of war crimes.”
LOL Sharkbabe, that she would.
Hey, y’all. The Ladies of the Lake have asked me to fill in on Late Nite again, an honor which I gratefully accepted.
In the meantime, I thought I might give you all a glimpse into my Secret Identity. I host a classical music show for Georgia Public Broadcasting each Mon. through Thurs. nights from 10:00pm to midnight, Eastern time.
You can listen if you like by going here:
http://www.wuga.org/listen_online.html
You have to use a non-Mozilla browser for some reason. I don’t know why. Hope you can make it. I’ve got a pretty good playlist lined up tonight, I think. A little Dvorak, some Chopin.
See you all at 11:00!
avenging_angel -
Well, if Novak conspired with Rove to hush up Plame revelation stuff, that seems like pretty clear obstruction of justice to me.
mui 268 – yeah, they truly hate women – it gave them special pleasure destroying Girl Valerie.
I am waiting on Bill Bennett to call for the immediate jailing of Robert Novak.
S’ok, Sharks, I’ll get him one that says “Security” and one that says “Roadie” or something. I’ll think of more. It’s incredibly challenging to find good ones in his size that don’t say stupid stuff like “Big Dog” or “World’s Best Dad”. We did find a Jimi Hendrix, that was good. I’ll check it out.
I also love my Lindo Michoacan t-shirt that says “Save Water: Drink Margaritas”
how long do you want to be loved
is forever enough, is forever enough
/dixie bush hata chicks
Yes, I knew Novak flipped long time ago.
No first amendment and protecting sources and all that jass for him. The reason is simple.
Judy Miller And Matt Cooper could afford to go the supreme courtm, because their employers NYT and Time were paying the legal fee. Novak had to pay from his pocket. He is a syndicated columnist, pretty much self-employed. He writes under the banner of Chicago Sun Times which syndicates him (recoups through syndication whatever they are paying him)
and Sun Times wouldn’t pay his legal fee.
They probably said – go the prosectuor and tell the truth.
So he went and told his version of truth to Fitz. He was worried about IIPA then. Now he has to worry about suborination and obstruction. Justice will be served.
Bought my Dixie Chicks CD yesterday.
Yummie.
Matt O.- please check for new email.
Also, comment moderated.
Hussongs
It’s a bar. It’s still there in Ensenada, Baja. Lots of good times. Me and some Sacramento high school friends were booted from there one night in ‘64 for doing our version of the Mexican Hat Dance. The locals didn’t like it. Fond memories.
Keith O is talking about the bush press converence now–mistakes question–”bring it on”–[bush shifting his jaw while giving his answer]–Richard Wolffe says he should get some credit for it, but says it was rehearsed, and that bush grinned at the reporters when he finished his statement, not really contrite.
Keith says there wasn’t much to learn in that press conference. We’ve heard it all before. Wolffe talks about overhyping of events. KO asks if bush will regret having said we are going to “complete the mission.” Wolffe says those cliches don’t work any more.
V.G. I haven’t gotten any new e-mails from you.
The chimp presser tonight reminded of this oldie but goodie. If you haven’t seen it, I know you will enjoy it.
http://www.devilducky.com/media/23894/
zennnurse: Given the faculty response, I wonder how Feith got hired? Was he appointed by a dean or some other type?
OK, I’ve had enuffa lookin at Novak Warhol, brilliant as it is.
I think my Saturday night beach t-shirt is gonna be Luther Vandross with a really nice picture that the street vendor on 7th street has. Damn I’m as pissed about/missing Luther as I still am about John Lennon, Cass Elliott and JFK jr.
I like that KO discusses openly the timing questions about the double-B presser today: trying to trump the headlines about Karl/Novak, Cheney testifying, and — what was that earlier today — oh, yeah, Kenny-Boy guilty on all counts!
KO also called Kenny-Boy an “FOB:” Friend of Bush.
bonzarella- no faculty vote
here’s the link, they’re pretty pissed.
NYT Feith story
Matt O.- okay, I got it. No new email. But I wanted to make sure that you saw my added comments. I assume you did.
Jane Dear, so happy to hear about Kobe’s recovery. Will keep the Kobe-safe energy coming.
Lindo Michoacan t-shirt.
Can you smoke it?
thanks zennnurse. this is a telling smidge:
“Gen. Tommy R. Franks of the Army, the top commander of the Iraq invasion, once referred to him as ‘the stupidest guy on the face of the earth.’”
I am soooo glad that Bush learned to express himself in a more sophisticated manner 6 years ago. I’ve noticed how much more sophisticated his communications have become. All that sophistication must have been responsible for the big fish answer to the German media!
Can you smoke it?
Yeah, screw the shirt crap!
bonzarella/zennurse
Wilkersonon Feith: “Seldom in my life have I met a dumber man.”
I had the urge to see Novak storming off cnn again…found one quickly enough on mediabistro…that would be a great photo for a future post on Novak. That arrogant, old crank deserves some long needed scrutiny.
hold on. .. i’m gonna check Feith’s ratings on ratemyprofessors.com. that’ll tell us sumpthin!
I like the shunning of Feith biz. A lot. My mind extrapolates.
No ratings for Feith on the “free to post” site http://www.ratemyprofessors.com yet. . . (Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do with that info, my friends.)
new thread
I’m strangely quiet coz I’m watching that PBS documentary about Goebbels : master propagandist.
Matt, 293:
Sorry if I got you into any trouble.
VG, I’m not a stalker of any kind, I swear.
But I am a shamelss flirt.
I dunno…this is how I feel about Bush’s presser:
http://jonorato42.wordpress.co…..t-presser/
Liar once again, in which country of the world “Dead or Alive” would have been mis-interpreted…
Okay, I’ve been taking a little break and still hearing strange and wild stuff. Cheney was called to testify (True?). Chimpy talking about de-fendin Israel (Iran?). That Dobson guy sounding more hardcore than ever when ChimpCo is so obviously failing (Iran again?). Are these guys getting cocky because they think ChimpCo is going to pull off another propaganda coup in regards to Iran?
Also this stuff about Novak is pretty astounding as well. Novak must have thought he was such a player.
I work in a federal agency in DC headed by Republican appointees and have noticed such a change in the last several months as Libby was indicted and Ambramoff and now the Enron folks being found guilty, gone is the smug arrogance that encased their secretive and less than insightful leadership, replaced now with concern and concerted efforts at leaving a recognized “legacy”. These assholes are working on their “legacy” after they have driven senior staff from the agency and undermined the agency mission for five sticking years by ineptitude, greed, arrogance, and secretiveness. Probably in the same way as Bush is trying to rewrite history now to claim he left a kegacy, he has instructed his agency bots to creat their own fictional legacies–to pretend and creat documents at their retirments or farewell parties that create the illusion that they actually did something to improve the country, the agency, the world. It it is the responsibility of blogs like firedoglake et al, to tell the truth and cancel out their self-aggrandizing bullshit. Keep it up! and thanx.
Yay Kobe!
I believe the Franks quote was “the stupidest fucking guy on the face of the earth.”
I’m having serious browser problems.
“Rovak”… I likey.
And I’m having worries about Iran. The cockiness of the punditry is disturbing, particularly when ChimpCo’s approval ratings are falling through the basement.
Rove v. Novak: It’s War!!!
Novak recently delivered the commencement address at Thomas More College, with a self-indulgent, bleak presentation warning to “never trust your government.”
http://www.thomasmorecollege.e…..ement.html
Novak says his advice is “born of nearly a half century of watching what goes on in Washington very, very carefully: Never put too much faith in government. …Have a wonderful and productive life. Just be wary of the person who says: I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.”
Ooohh….
OK… uh… thank, bu FDL will need to sum up what all this means in English instead of in Plameology talk. Or at least put in context so amateuri Plameologists can figure out what it means for the bottom line. ‘Cause I am lost regarding the signficance of this, except it seems to indicate that Novak was more dishonest about events than Rove. Maybe?
Only other question is why is Novak’s whole face brown. Shouldn’t it just be his nose? Or… oh… I get it now. YUCK!
It means that Novak told Rove that he was going to cover for him and they worked it out so that their stories agreed that Rove only passed along gossip. Novak tried to protect him at potentially great cost to himself and Rove promptly kicked him under the bus when he talked to the FBI and revealed the call because he wanted to look like he was being cooperative, and he probably figured Novak eventually might buckle anyway.
That’s classic Rove: always looking out for himself and Bush, of course. And to hell with anyone else.
Jason Leopold is such a hack. Do you think he will ever out his sources? No, because he has no sources — at best he’ll do what Tom Maguire said — pick three names at random from the White House staff list, accuse them of leaking to him and then when they deny it say “aha!”
He’s an absolute embarassment to anyone and everything he touches. No wonder Raw Story sacked him and every reputable blogger has denounced him. He makes Matt Drudge look like Murrow.
Jane -
I would love to send you a polite personal note, but since you no longer have an email link, I must use the comments section.
As I have asked before, if you wish to use graphics taken from my blog, such as the one in this piece (taken from http://blogs.salon.com/0001424/2005/08/05.html), please just add a link back. That’s all I ask.
This picture may not have been a masterpiece, but it does represent time and effort on my part, and I do not appreciate the fact that you would de facto take credit for my work.
Thank you.
MARK:
And as I’ve told you before, these things do not always make it to my email box with authors noted. If they had I certianly would’ve credited you. Did not mean to upset you and I will replace the image immediately. –JH
Novak recently delivered the commencement address at Thomas More College, with a self-indulgent, bleak presentation warning to “never trust your government.”
No, just collude with them in destroying people purely for political spite, greed and evil.
Who the fuck is Novak to even utter the word ‘trust’, this backstabbing self-promoting traitor pimp-tool.
Novak is Exhibit A why I have learned to “never trust the corporate media”.
fedlawyerdog (309) — welcome to the neighborhood, don’t be a stranger. We’d love to hear whether we’re on the right path, be sure to pop us a comment more often and let us know when we are/aren’t.
#318 Mason,
Thanks for the summary. I still don’t quite understand the sequence of events wrt Rove’s lying and backstabbing and partial truth telling. Here are more specific questions:
1. Did Rove lie enough to break a law before he started cover up strategy with Novak? Or did most of his lies come after the cover story was hatched and as a result of the agreement?
2. What is significance of quote that Fitzgerals has a high bar to cross wrt to a private conversation between two people? I don’t understand that. Is this merely a matter of getting convincing and admissable evidence of conspiracy to obstruct justice or lie to investigators, or is there another legal issue that I am missing?
2. What does all of this mean for criminal prosecution of Rove and/or Novak?
Oher than that, Rove still comes out looking most ruthless and immoral of anyone, so my basic sense of reality is restored.
Never have so many been so happy for a Kobe!
Hi All,
I have been simply off balance this week checking rawstory every 60 seconds hoping that Rove is going down and wanting to see it right in front of my eyes. Ugh…
I just finished reading EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 324 posts here and I’m 100% lost! OMG. If I’m reading this right, Novack is the outer and Rove will get off because he told the truth at the first session about the 29th?
Rove told the truth? Why are you saying Scooter is getting off? He lied, didn’t he? What about Cheney? Tell me he’s resigning.
I’m lost and I have a NEW MISSION for all of you, if you decide to accept it.
Have you been keeping up with the Brian Ross/Hastert story?
What about Siebel Edmonds? Know anything about that frigin’ story?
We ned to BREAK that one and IMPEACHMENT is ours. Ready to go? And I am tired but have not been drinking purple kool aid. :) Howeve,r I love the color purple… goes good with my red hair!
Anyway, please tell me if I got it right and let me know about Siebel please.
Condi Rice wanted – Dead or alive.
It’s beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas again!
Rovacula’s in play and Darth Cheney’s coming into firing range. Hit em again Fitz!
BRING IT ON YEAH!
somebody mentioned fitz’s small staff ages ago. the delay on indicting rove is not too hard to understand in that context. they just need to get the jockeying with libby out of the way first. don’t need to stretch the resources and sleep deprivation by fighting on two fronts.
How any college could have this slimy traitor of a “journalist” speak to their students after outing Plame, speaks volumes about the state of our educational system. How non-inspirational can you get..??
Why would Novac promise to protect Rove? Why were he and Libby walking around on crutches when things started going down hill? “Things could get worse, this is just a warning to what we can do to you.”
If anyone believes that libby, rove, cheney all outed plame, all on their own, without bush knowing about this I have a bridge to sell you..Bush did these dirty little tricks in college..I remember him saying if anyone in my adminstration did this I will fire him and thenturn around a out a british agent..Bush is so two faced..