
The Head Review is a work in progress, and some fine tuning is in order. Rather than switching back and forth between shows and summarizing by topic, I’m going to summarize by program instead. I’m still having problems with the scope of coverage, since all four broadcast shows run at the same time and, this week, there are no second showings until late afternoon. Thus, the review will be short this week.
The White House has dispatched Condi to NBC and Fox and Abu Gonzales to ABC and CBS. NBC and Fox are all-Republicans, all the time. The Iraquagmire and immigration are the top topics.
Meet The Press Today, Tiny Tim is joined by Condoleezza Rice, then moderates an "exclusive immigration debate with Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-GA, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC." Exclusive like the V.I.P. room at Carl’s Jr.
Condi was in full stonewall mode, determined to say nothing newsworthy during her 20 minutes. Fortunately for her, Tim’s pumpkin head is occupied with his latest book project and he was phoning it in. Fortunately for us, Tim didn’t repeat his tired schtick asking Condi whether she was going to run for President.
Condi’s very optimistic about the forthcoming "unity government" under Iraq Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, despite the fact that the top spots at the Ministries of Defense, Interior and National Security remain vacant. Condi refused to comment on the anticipated coronation of her old pal Ahmad Chalabi as head of the Interior.
She once again defended the quagmire, emphasizing that, back in 2003, everyone who believed the Administration’s lies thought Iraq had WMDs. She also claimed that those who opposed endless occupation were either proposing that the U.S. "replace Saddam with a strongman" or asserting that "the Iraqis are unable to govern themselves." When was that again?
The Secretary of State also refused to state when withdrawal of U.S. troops might commence, saying (as always) that it depends on the capabilities of Iraq’s security forces. Good luck with that.
In the great Republican immigration debate, Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is all for George Bush’s indentured servitude plan, er, "road map to success." As long as immigrants take pay a fine, pass two english exams, work at below the minimum wage for over a decade and "add value" to the country, Graham will welcome them with open arms, at least until the law changes 10 years hence.
Georgia representative Charlie Norwood on the other hand, drawled his four-square opposition to such "piddl[ing] around." Norwood wants not 6,000 but 36,000 National Guard troops dispatched to the southern border, as in the glory days of Pancho Villa. But Norwood’s not for mass deportation; he proposes that 11 million aliens vacate voluntarily, and in an orderly fashion, over the next 2 to 3 years. The good immigrants will sign up for tamperproof i.d. cards and retinal scans and then work for a couple of years before vacating the premises, while the "terrorists, gang dealers [and] drug dealers" won’t.
As the debate closed, Tim quoted Harry Reid’s opposition to English Only, and Norwood quipped, "Dr. No is at work, who cares what he says?" No one at NBC, that’s for sure.
Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer (Second Hour) Feisal al-Istrabadi, Iraq’s Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations is just as bullish on Iraq as our Condi. He doesn’t believe any of the civil war scenarios, and anticipates the various militias ultimately will be intergrated into a national security force under command of the Minister of Defense. Istrabadi can’t say when the troops of the "multi-national forces" might be able to leave, but that the immediate withdrawal of those forces would be cataclysmic. Assurances were given that the middle classes aren’t really fleeing; Istrabadi says they’re just "taking the opportunity to travel for the first time" in years.
Wolf’s second guest, Aussie P.M. John Howard, promised to stay the course in Iraq. Australia will maintain its current troop level in Iraq — all 900 soldiers — for the foreseeable future. On Iran, Howard says the U.N plan and diplomacy should be allowed to work. And there’s not much hostility toward Muslims in Australia; last year’s riots were the result of too much sun and too much beer. (And when does that ever happen in the land down under?)
This Week With Geo. Stephanopoulos I didn’t see it, but I see John Edwards posed a riddle: "Who is the president that broke the law and the Constitution and started spying on the American people?" Cm’n, John, give us a tough one.
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- Breaking: Obama Writes Letter Opposing Inclusion of Graham-Lieberman in Supplemental
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Damn you, Roger — “exclusive like the VIP room at Carl’s Jr.” — tea spew warning, next time, man! Mwahahahahaha. I’m about to go on the damn radio and now I have a wet spot on my shirt. Thank good it’s not teevee. (I’m gonna be laughing about that one for a week, all by itself…hahahahaha)
fitz roots
Fitz. :)
This server blows donkey but I’m sure will be wonderful eventually, I am a patient girl, and
FITZ
Frootz!
Christy’s coming up on Air America radio.
condi asks: if we close guantanamo, what will we do with these detailnees? I don’t know, TRY them, maybe?
Can we get this clip up at Crooks and Liars,
CONDI__
“There were some misjudgements that were not made.”
translation:
Praise us for the errors we didnt do.
Or how about a contest–the errors they didnt do:
Condi says:
we gave the soldiers guns.
we didnt use Chalabi’s invasion plan.
we didnt disband the garbage baghdad sanitation department.
more?
I LOVE your recap Roger. It doesn’t sound like anyone on MTP even suggested that the businesses that employ the illegals have any reprocussions. It’s all about the brown people.
OT, but of interest: Did you all see this diary at Dkos suggesting that Gonzales has intervened in Fitz’s plans to indict Rover? I apologize if it was noted in a previous thread.
Christy — you sound great! — you ought to be in pictures, as the song goes
what happened to your wva accent? — i’m distressed to have only heard faint echoes
Website no work- teepee full of shit!
yay– 2 mentions of the Corporate media by Redd!
Believe me, nobody is going to pay attention to their “solutions” anymore. Not here in the US, not there in Iraq, not anywhere. Everyone is tired of being scapegoated for all of their weird ideas about American prowess and superiority. Just way too predatory.
Good job, Christy!
Good job, Christy!
rwcole– sorry for you ;(, but LOL at that picturesque and odiferous image. I was down for hours til ca. 10 minutes ago b/c of a huge lightning strike very nearby… thankfully came up just before Christy came on.
Sharkbabe #4:
My sentiment’s exactly.
The good news is that it’s the price of success: a large, rapidly-growing audience for FDL and hopefully a financially and operationally sustainable model for the Goddesses.
Oh, and Fitz. And this time I mean it.
rwcole –
You know the Chief Bowels joke!!!
SP CPA — hey, you there? Did you catch that bit mamayaga found?
Looks like I wasn’t the only one wondering about the scenario.
Mary — thanks for that overview last night on Margolis and McNulty in relationship to Fitz and any possible SNM-2. Good stuff, but it still sounds like this could come down to a fight over jurisdictional power.
ck–Yeah- I that’s what sort of “came out” in that post. Didn’t think anyone else in the world knew that stupid joke!
Roger – bless you, my son! Your recaps are so great I really don’t need to watch Meet the Elephants, Diss Week, Pox News or any of the rest of it! (And I don’t risk breaking the television screen by throwing shoes at it whenever Timmeh opens his punkin head).
Christy’s great on Laura Flanders – so calm, clear, understsated. But the point gets across. Would have loved to see her at work as a prosecutor, employing that “catch more flies with honey” approach. My favorite part so far, though, is when Bruce Shapiro referred to Leopold’s Rove story as “premature ejaculation”. Did I get that right? I believe I did.
The AA station here in L.A. is running a travel show, so no Christy for me. (They’ve also bumped Mike Malloy into the wee hours and sliced an hour off his show. Grrr)
Good job Christy!
Oh and Mr. Ailes– thanks for the great post and rundown of the woeful “newsmakers” that disgraced the screen on yet another Sunday morning along with the asshats who refuse to question them. Great pic to go along with it.
Christy is doin a hecka job– for real !!
Bruce the komodo dragon from the Nation blasted Leopold. They are good for that at the Nation. Too bad their reporting pretty much stinks most of the time. I think Laura realized it wasn’t fair to Jason, she should have had him their to respond. Christy on the other hand was VERY fair and had questions, but she was gracious and intelligent and thoughtful. Bruce the komodo dragon on the other hand was a typical “DINO” reporter. Ready to eat his own. I hope Laura has Jason on to rebuff the accusations of Bruce. He did the same thing he accused Jason of doing. What a loser. Now I remember why I didn’t renew my nation subscription.
mamayaga @10
I read that post and, as Jane pointed out in the comments, the author doesn’t even have Fitzgerald’s boss’ name right. So hold on before anyone gets too excited about this. As I said in the comments there, a whole lot more investigating needs to be done on this. Besides, if Bush’s DOJ tried something like this, a man of Fitzgerald’s integrity would resign – very publicly – which would raise too much of a political firestorm. Remember the outrage after Nixon’s “Saturday Night Massacre”?
Just the title of Russert’s forthcoming book makes me want to open my living window and jump out. It would probably be a good idea to disconnect the cable for the two weeks or so after it’s release, to avoid all the smarmy, crocodile-teared, one-armed hug, aging frat-boy man-love Punkinhedd will be getting from his seemingly endless army of fellow 2-D pundit-trons.
My comment is “awaiting moderation”, but I am well past the point of being a moderate.
Rayne says: “hey, you there? Did you catch that bit mamayaga found?”
May 21st, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Yes, I’m here. In which thread, please?
Well, no streaming Christy for me tonight, dangit. The good news is – I failed to notice – there’s a Roger Ailes Sun eve post! Off to savor.
Outbound Plane by Suzy Bogguss. God, is Nancy Griffith the best songwriter on the planet.
Roger-thanks for watching so we don’t have to. I remembered from last week and did not bother to turn on the Sunday talkin head programs this morning. I appreciate it.
And Brenda Russell “Piano in the Dark” is no slouch either.
Rayne – I see it.
SP CPA — right here, (10). Note Jane’s comment on the technicalities.
Hmm.
Rayne @ 21, see my post at 28.
Sorry, that should have said my post at 29. I’m tired.
GADem @ 28—
Agree it looks like it should be taken with a dollop of salt. I think it’s useful to think and about and discuss strategies by which Bushco could derail Fitz, however, so we are prepared to respond immediately should they try one.
SP CPA — so, if my theory is correct, and there’s a kabuki theater going on right now tantamount to “Long Knives” SNM-2, what do we do?
We need to get some skinny on Abu, I think, get this cinched.
In some ways, sending the same folks out to get the Abu story might work; they’ll be discounted but they’ll understand exactly what it is they are looking for and will be highly motivated if they were Webbed/Hatfield-ed.
In the town next to mine the police will persue the employers/contractors etc who pick up the day laborers that wait every morning for work at the train station – but in this town the workers wait at the 7-11 and both the employers and the day laborors are left alone by the police.. several hundred guys waiting for work
every morning…some till 2pm- One town doesnt allow it — the next town does- work is being done in both towns
Roger, I’ve dug your blogging forever, but the delicious economical perfection with which you dispatch the Sunday MSM bullshit here is a whole new pleasure.
Btw driftglass does a whole different sort of Sunday MSM deconstruction on his blog, no less delicious – that dude is must reading too, total unique word artiste.
GADem — I see you on this; asked last night about this same subject. Mary gave a thorough clarification about the roles, but that doesn’t mean Abu didn’t find a hole to drive through, or that THEY didn’t find a way to apply an NSL or State Secrets to this mess. We’re not playing by Rove’s dirty tricks book any longer; we are playing with a much nastier element.
We are now off the beaten path and deep into the dark of the woods if…
Rayne –
The SNM-2 Abu the hit man theory? Nah — way too baroque, and no judge would buy into it.
Either fire the guy, or watch the wheels of justice grind away.
ccmask #34 – Roger – thanks for watching so we don’t have to.
That’s funny, because there’s a blog here in Seattle called “Blather Watch – listening to talk radio so you don’t have to”.
ABC’s Brian Ross was just on “On the Media” saying the govt. spooks told him “oh, don’t worry, we’re not tracking your calls contemporaneously. We’re ‘back-tracking’ your calls. It’s all good.”
Rayne,
People just catching uo to our discussion from last night? OK, back to the outrage question you posed — how do we move people from “So?” to “SHIT!!”?
It seems that the first step has to be the re-invigoration of the company resources/sources who really care that an agen was outed. How do we find/exploit these people. Second, I believe we need to make the Iran connection argument — even without full proof. There is enough smoke, after all….
What do you propose?
Roger, sorry you didn’t get to see AbuG on This Week. Would have loved to hear your take on that.
BTW… INCOMING! Preemptive strike from
WoodwardWaPoo.Sharkbabe 43
ditto re props to Roger. I just coldn’t watch that much of that kind of TV without gagging.
I occasionally provide links to d r i f t g l a s s here but rarely notice any reverberations in the pond. Bit of an acquired taste, perhaps; not one to pull punches.
it’s AbuG’s Life
Gosh I’m so enjoying my life and dropping into this great place, I forgot to turn on the Sopranos. I pay all the bux for satellite tv, and never, ever turn the evil machine on, I hate tv, it makes me feel soiled. However, stuck on Sopranos from way back, and L Word when it’s on, even though the latter’s gotten seriously lame.
OK, I can take an hour, good old reliably brilliant Edie Falco.
With Norwood and Graham, perhaps exclusive like the V.I.P. room at Waffle House?
Or the V.I.P. room at The Cracker Barrel Old Country Store…
YearlyKOS viral promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17km19_1kuU
tryggth
That NRO article says..
Truthout has made yet another statement on the Rove “indictment
but the link is dead. Anyone seen this?
I never believed the truthout story – but if you wanted further proof what a right wing media whore Howie Kurtz is – just wait till his column tomorrow. Bet he got marching orders from his republican media consultant wife.
Whoa – did you guys see the Walter Pincus story on Plame? Did I miss this? Is it new?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01024.html
Drudge reporting that Howard Dean worked to get Nagin defeated in NO. He’s moistened his trousers in excitement.
sans- culotte:
Via DU, they have a screenshot:
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=1251360
Condi was in full stonewall mode, determined to say nothing newsworthy during her 20 minutes.
That’s the only mode she has. She hasn’t said anything in six years.
sans-culotte – You can find info on the Truthout articles here:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014903.html
anon 57, I missed it–thanks for posting the link.
According to the NRO, the WaPo is preparing a story on all the recent internet theorising over the Rove indictment. You can be certain it’s another lefty blogosphere-bashing article, like that one about the bathrobe-wearing I hate Bush lady.
Thanks Angie
anon – yeah, whoa! I hadn’t seen that. Let’s call it, smoking gun….God, I love Fitz.
anon – yeah, whoa! I hadn’t seen that. Let’s call it, smoking gun….God, I love Fitz.
Rob @ 59– she once did talk about mushroom clouds…and said that nobody could have imagined that terrorists would use airplanes…the Corporate media found those things quite newsworthy. She lies real good and now that we know it, she can only talk about her music likes, shoes and football.
whoa is right, giddyup!– thanks anon!
re fat tim’s new book — tom brokaw was resurrected to interview russert on his cnbc weekend show; he’s going to be a guest on tweety’s sometime this week; and no doubt he’ll make an appearance or two on the today show. just in time for memorial day. fat tim does know marketing opportunities for schmaltzy memorabilia — not so much anything of substance.
g.e. has been very, very good to fat tim.
Roger -
iTunes has free podcasts that show up pretty early on but the only problem is that they are audio only.
Condi “hasn’t said anything in six years.” That’s not her function. Her sole (soul) purpose is to suck tit. George’s tit. He knows she’s a closet gay, and likes it better that way. More bizarre and randy. Ya know.
immanentize (47) — I think we need info on Abu’s movements last two weeks. That’s where I think we’re at, before anything else. I wonder if that’s why Abu was out in front today.
Oklahoma kiddo (69) — you know, I was reading so fast that I actually took that the other way around — and it made more sense — “She knows he’s a closet gay, and likes it better that way.”
Heh.
I guess we can count Howie Kurtz and the Libby defense team among those who leak to Byron York of the NR. Pathetic. Kurtz is more than enough balance for Froomkin at the WP.
anon – who is Howard Kurtz’s wife?
anon (56), harry (62) – does it strike you as odd that they’re winding up the Wurlitzer to work on the blogs and hard in relation to the CIA Leak-Rover’s role?
The WaPo article says Libby knew for certain she was classified a couple of days after the Novak column. Did Libby leak to any journalists after that date, because he’s bang-to-rights under the Intelligence Identities Act if he did.
I fear they may have sicked the NSA onto Leopold to find and compromize his sources, in an attempt to discredit him and the liberal blogosphere. I don’t think they expected the blogs to be so cautious on it.
I mean, if they were using the NSA program against reporters, this is what they would try to do with it. No?
Smells like Rove to me.
punaise 50, it’s AbuG’s Life–one of your best! I get great enjoyment out of your comments. Whoever came up with “Vichy Democrats”? That’s my all time favorite.
OK Rayne, good plan
Who has that info,? How can I help?
Roger — brave man (or well-medicated) that you are, having stood the challenge of watching all that blather two Sunday’s running…
What does your gut tell you about the purpose and intent behind Condi’s and Abu’s appearances today?
Not just the words that emanated out of their mouths, but the intent. What’s your bottomline?
“anon (56), harry (62) – does it strike you as odd that they’re winding up the Wurlitzer to work on the blogs and hard in relation to the CIA Leak-Rover’s role? “
Nope, the strategy is pretty clear. The liberal blogs are a threat to the cozy MSM/Bush administration power structure. The right-wing noise machine (including Kurtz, NRO, Limbaugh) are going to try and swiftboat them using the weakest links. Ironic, no? You can see the Bushies gearing up to do the one thing they do well – campaigning. Note Pool Boy’s latest opus …
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01096.html
Rayne @ 74.
Nah. It’s just an opportunity for them to get their own back a little.
That said, the coverage of this and other scandals has been non-existent compared to Clinton scandals. And bs intelligence, war crimes, wiretapping the country, mass murder and the Plame thing are scandals actually worth reporting on. They’re just too busy telling us what’s really going on in Iraq and Afghanistan to fit them in I suppose.
This may be a stupid question, but might Bill Harlow be the first leaker?
immanentize (78) – your guess is as good as mine, but I seriously think we send WMR and Leopold after it, because they have a vested interest in this. They will be highly motivated.
And I think we also ask V.I.P.S to put out feelers, too. They know what’s at stake; they’ve been at “war” with the players involved.
Look, somewhere inside these facts is the truth:
1) A motorcade at Patton Boggs with Secret Service detail
2) 4th floor lock-down at Patton Boggs for a long meeting
3) Rove’s spokesmen deny a Rove meeting at Patton Boggs
4) Leopold and WMR remain adamantly by their stories
5) Rove is well-known for dirty tricks, has a track record
6) OVP also uses disinfo and dirty tricks
7) Luskin denies nothing with Jeralyn, only acts huffy
I know there are more facts, but no one’s backing off these. It’s right here, a pony in this pile of manure…
Rayne @ 74 -
Has that feel.
Building a bumper-stickerish sound bite about the “fever swamp” built on Jason’s oopsie and a tempest in a tea cup (apparently “sourced” from Madsen) over at DailyKos. Makes one wonder why they would spend the cycles. Probably just have more than one instance and can claim ’super-swamp’. I’ld like to imagine more to it, but I don’t see the contours of Fitz’s actions yet.
shoephone, Howie’s wife is Sheri Annis who used to work for rethugs & has contributed to NRO, etc.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q…..k&cd=2
“anon – who is Howard Kurtz’s wife? “
From Media Matters ….
Kurtz is married to Sheri Annis, GOP public relations strategist supporting the re-election of George W. Bush. Annis also was part of Arnold Schwartzenegger?s brain trust in his recall election. She also worked on a California voter proposition that would force immigrant children to speak English in school. She appears regularly on Chris Matthews Hardball program as a conservative pundit and writes for the National Review. She also worked on a campaign to stop living wage laws. She even calls her company Fourth Estate Strategies.
Guess we know now who leaked Howie’s story to York. Incestuous bunch, isn’t it?
And what will Harlow say at the trial? Will he confirm he did pass her name on without saying it was classified? Will it make any difference?
The Libby defence is going to be to try and raise reasonable doubt in any small way the can, and to use this to construct a truthy narrative that the Wurlitzer can construct a huge mountain of bs around. Like, it’s a conspiracy between the State Dept, the CIA, the liberal media ( Judy :) ) and Evil Joe Wilson, and American patriot Scooter was just trying to protect the Leader.
Some mindless rubbish to give the base something to say at the watercooler.
Rayne,
Let me try the Patton Boggs angle tomorrow. Gotta sleep now.
angie – thanks for that link. Jeez, the woman sounds like the soft-sell clone of Mary Matalin. And she pumped up Howard Jarvis. That pisses me off. I grew up in California and I can tell you, Prop 13 destroyed the higher public education system in that state. (well, univeral access to it, anyway).
Mike Wallace love-fest on 60 minutes tonight. Blech. I think I’ll go drink my dinner.
Totally OT: Barbaro is up and walking after surgery. Looks hopeful. Nice to get some good news. I don’t follow horseracing too much but I loved the movie and book about Seabiscuit.
I didn’t catch anything in that new Pincus article that a devoted (or devout) Plameologist didn’t already know. So why did the WaPo publish it? Where’s the new news?
Sorta OT, and yet not:
Has anyone been keeping track of comicstrip “Opus” recently?
Today’s strip is right on target! Go beg, borrow or steal a Sunday newspaper & enjoy!
Okay. I confess. Those good political cartoonists out there in the netherworld help me get thru these trying times.
anon- yes totally OT. BUT, that said, the Triple Crown races are about all I ever watch on TV, and then I have to figure out where I left my TV. Sister in the business (auction house) so I have that perspective. I have very mixed feelings about TB racing- the horses are way too young to be tested in this way. I am happy for the good news. Thanks.
Actually, shoephone, I’ll take Mike Wallace–still!–over a lot of what passes for “investigative” journalism these days. Or pretends to. I’ve grown up with Wallace and 60 Minutes and I give him “props” tonight.
And his closing line, Good Night and Good Luck, in salute of his predecessor reminds me that we here in the blogosphere are doing a lot of the dogged investigation and tying together of tangled threads that the best of media journalism used to do.
Thanks for the wonderful graphic of the Three Stooges–grew up with them, too, or at least reruns. Now, let’s see, left to right–Snuffy, Timmeh, and Wolfie on a bad hair day.
Great news about Barbaro! We absolutely cringed when we saw that leg go. But then we’re tuned in to losin’ legs around here.
In the horse of another color dept, last weekend on the NG channel was a show on zebras. And how they uncharacteristically stomped a baby wildebeest to death because its bleating could attract lions or other predators. Felt kinda like the blogosphere, where we unite, sometimes snarkily, for the greater good of saving the herd…US.
The show referred to the zebras as a kinship group. A good way to describe this rowdy, thoughtful, cantankerous, loving bunch o’FDLers. And on that bit o’philosophizing I’ll say g’night.
Last week, White House press secretary Tony Snow used his virgin press briefing to reintroduce the racial slur “tar baby” back into the vernacular. But while an unrepentant Snow attacked his critics as “unfamiliar with the pathways of American culture,” it would appear that eBay offers a clear picture as to why Random House suggests “avoiding the use of the term in any context.”
For more, see:
“The Final Word on Snow’s Slur.”
immanentize (90) — go for it. I can think of one scary reason why there would very, very little info about the lockdown at PB. ‘Niters!
Prairie Sunshine – I know, I know. I’m probably being too hard on *old* Mike. But I just think he should have quit years ago, before he became an icon in is own mind. And the 60 minutes thing tonight is a recap of interviews I’ve already seen recapped so many times before. That being said, when you compare him to the clowns that pass for journalists on television these days, and the idiocy of the current crop of news magazines… Mike looks absolutely golden.
I did pour myself a drink, however.
“Prop 13 destroyed higher public education in that state.” Yes it did. I was there and voted against Prop 13. When Ronald Reagan took office as governor, California was #2, behind New York for spending on education. And what a top notch and proud system of education California had! By the time R.R. left, Ca’s system was a shell of what it was. Jarvis’ and Reagan’s contemptible contempt for the intelligentsia and their selfish Republican partiality for the rich, doomed the once dynamic California schools. It’s worse than a crime. It’s a sin what they did. Reagan and Jarvis: fascist pigs.
Curly (of the Three Stooges) and my dad have the same name. Same spelling. And my mom is buried just 15 feet away from Shemp.
Similar, but not the same.
Oklahoma Kiddo- the Prop 13 thing is a difficult one imo. My mother, who was ~60ish at the time, was living on very limited income and would not have been able to keep paying off the mortage while property values and taxes were increasing at a sharp rate, way beyond what she could afford. She would have been out in the street. I also know that Prop 13 has been a big factor in the decline in services esp. education in CA. I just wish that there would be a better solution- not having to pit the old folks on limited income against education for the future. Hope this makes sense.
I don’t know how anyone can watch these bozos. Hell, I couldn’t stand any of the shows in the 80s, and they weren’t listing nearly so close to starboard back then.
For the record, the best songwriter on the planet is, hands down, Yoko Kanno.
For now, I’m going with Occam’s razor and believing that Leopold is making stuff up. I hope there is something to it, though.
Reagan was the one who kept re-indexing the tax brackets that soaked the middle class, which created the tax revolt in the first place. Prop 13 brought some temporarily relief, but, within a very few years, only made a bad situation worse.
It’s wrong that people living next door to each other in similar houses, same value, have such dramatically disparate tax bills every year, just because one of them has been living there since 1971, and the other since 1981.
Adie says: Has anyone been keeping track of comicstrip “Opus” recently?
Today’s strip is right on target! Go beg, borrow or steal a Sunday newspaper & enjoy!
or click this link…
Today’s Opus
shoephone #103
That’s interesting! I have a paid, cancelled personal check, drawn on a local branch of BofA in Hollywood, dated 1971 and made out to Safeway and signed by Moe Howard. I got from Moe’s daughter many years ago when I lived in California. It’s a treasure I’ll never part with. Those three guys still make me howl.
from Krugman’s column tommorrow:
Mr. Lieberman’s defenders would have you believe that his increasingly unpopular positions reflect his principles. But his Bushlike inability to face reality on Iraq looks less like a stand on principle than the behavior of a narcissist who can’t admit error. And the common theme in Mr. Lieberman’s positions seems to be this: In each case he has taken the stand that is most likely to get him on TV.
You see, the talking-head circuit loves centrists. But a centrist, as defined inside the Beltway, doesn’t mean someone whose views are actually in the center, as judged by public opinion.
Instead, a Democrat is considered centrist to the extent that he does what Mr. Lieberman does: lends his support to Republican talking points, even if those talking points don’t correspond at all to what most of the public wants or believes.
But this “center” cannot hold. And that’s the larger lesson of what happened Friday. Mr. Lieberman has been playing to a Washington echo chamber that is increasingly out of touch with the country’s real concerns. The nation, which rallied around Mr. Bush after 9/11 simply because he was there, has moved on — and it has left Mr. Lieberman behind.
Valley Girl…
What you say makes sense for sure. My Mom who passed away in Sacramento last month was in the same boat your Mom was in. In fact my mother voted for Prop 13. But I do believe there were other solutions. Things like taxing the rich at a higher rate and the closing of certain tax loopholes. It was a hard call. And there’s no denying that.
VG,
“I have very mixed feelings about TB racing- the horses are way too young to be tested in this way. I am happy for the good news.”
It’s been years ago but my dad owned two TB horses that he raced in So Cal, at Hollywood Park, Santa Anita and Del Mar. One of them actually won a race once! LOL With Bill Shoemaker aboard by the way. I can tell you that they’re pampered like you wouldn’t believe.
On a personal note, I’m the happiest guy in the world at the moment. What I thought was lost has been found (being my cryptic self again) LOL
In an unrelated note. Heading for Cozumel in the morning!!!
See ya on the flip side FDL’ers, um, Friday evening.
Diver down…
PEACE
OUT
Have a great time, Cozumel!
VG and LJ/Aquaria – You’re right about the inequities of the property tax syatem. But Property taxes are what fund the education systems of our 50 states. And California is always going to be a growing state, with growing education needs. More inequities result when children of lower income and middle income families cannot afford to get a decent public school education. Denying kids access to the education system is so short-sighted. Here in Seattle, Bill Gates is griping about how kids in our area are not being prepared for the job market. And he’s right, and he’s giving money from the Gates foundation to fund reform. But at the same time, Microsoft outsources thousands of jobs each year to China, India, the Phillipnes, etc. And his company outsources to other states. Since about 1997, MS has registered 40 companies with over 400 employees in Nevada, because Nevada doesn’t have a Business & Occupation Tax. MS saved over $60 billion in royalty revenues that could and should have gone to Washington State to help fund out troubled public education system. Sorry for the rant, but I grow impatient with billionaires like Gates (and millionaires like Howard Jarvis) exploit senior citizens and blue collar workers for their own ends.
I think the evening’s magic is wearing off. Better get another glass of that wonderful Marietta Old Vine Red.
“looks less like a stand on principle than the behavior of a narcissist who can’t admit error.”
ka-Pow
GO KRUGMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. a great smackdown of Lieberman and the MSM that just love him.
Thanks so much for the delightful post @ 110 *ilson46201!
*ilson, thanks for the quote. I had a long conversation today with one of my dearest friends. I got off on to the Dem convention in CT, how I had watched it via internet, how Lieberman was in deep shit, how thrilling it was to finally see our rep. Democracy in action. He is very savvy, and a long time political activist, but he is now 76, has PD, and is mostly focussed on local politics, and trying to wind up his scientific career in a meaningful way. So, he said “how do you know all of these things?” I said, it’s that blog that I read (reminding him what a blog was). And told him more about FDL. And beltway Dems. I said, they’ve been eating too many cocktail weenies. He laughed uproariously and said I have to use that. He got it in an instant. I said, that was from Jane at FDL. Yes, she is really “funny”- that’s why I love FDL. So, this is just a kind of stream of consciousness reply to your comment, but the ripples in the pond are gonna be felt. Also, I thought of “FROOTZ” in the first instance, but thought that I might be non-PC. Thanks!
Interesting debate going on over at DailyKos about whether or not Abu G or one of his lackeys could quash Fitz’s indictments. At issue is a “Sealed” vs “Sealed” case before one of the judges. Nobody can agree on whether or not “Sealed” vs “Sealed” is a common occurence. Some are saying it happens all the time; others report that there haven’t been any in that district since 2000. Memo to leakers: Use a pre-paid cell phone.
I just wonder. You see, I saw Mr. Russert’s interview of Ms. Pelosi a few weeks back. I’m no fan of Ms. Pelosi, but it was quite obvious that Russert treated her much more sharply than he treats “R” team folks. And that’s wrong.
So….what if…what if, say Harry Reid, just announces that Democratic politicians and pundits will no longer appear on MTP! His announcement is without anger, and without shouting. Just kind of….matter of fact. And everybody on the “D” team sticks to it. A boycott, a strike, if you will.
Maybe the idea is dumb for all sorts of reasons. But I just wonder how something like that would play out.
Ghostman
A thrilling scenario: WaHoPo comes out with a scathing article about all the lefty blogs frothing over a Rove indictment- and then, later in the day, Rove gets indicted!
Leopold: made it up, in which case he’s clearly insane, or an agent provacateur.
Or: His sources burned him, in which case, I hope he really does burn them.
whaleshaman 108
comicstrip “Opus”
click this link…
Today’s Opus
would that be Opus Day?
(Da Vinci Code)
Wheeerree’s Jaaanneeey?
Ghostman # 120 – Nancy Pelosi – who never hesitates to be feisty with her beleagured constituents when they question her, is so full of herself her appearances on national television have nothing to do with we hapless Californians, rather it is all about Nancy.
I loved the Opus strip this morning. Hands free indeed!
Jane covers Krugman– new thread!
Ghostman #120: I’ve been thinking along those lines too lately. But after stewing on it I think I’d rather see the dems get on MTP and the other shows and actually question the questions and the questioner.
Ask them where they got their questions – point out that that one and that one are GOP talking points – where’d ya get those Tim? Why is the ratio between republicans and democrats on your show between 5:1 and 10:1? They don’t have to answer a stupid, biased question just because a stupid, biased talking head asks it on national television.
We must be aggressive in our unwillingness to submit to biased framing/questioning and make sure the dem points get out there on a regular basis – shut Timmeh up for his whole show – make him play defense. And Timmeh’s got plenty to be defensive about.
Dems need to have very aggressive PR people/bookers/lobbyists(?) whose job it is to get only strong dems on TV all day long, every day. Push to have equal dem representation on every show.
That’s why I don’t think a boycott would work – we need to see more democratic faces on TV instead of fewer – or none…
Its funny, I just did some research on the conservative media/news bunch and as I was reviewing my own blog, and adding a link to firedoglake.com I just happened to find this-Tinytim report(Ha Ha)no coincidences huh? Keep up the GREAt work. So glad I can find real news somewhere! Christie is eloquent and informative. She should have her own Sunday show! Thanks
now that we’re in EPUpia, what the hell:
Bustedknuckleheads!
My hunch is Leopold made it up hoping his timing was right. Probably figured his reputation was already suspect, the investigation was showing signs of movement, so he doubled-down and bluffed with the “big one” we’ve all been breathlessly waiting for. I don’t think he was rat-f*cked, IMHO he ratf*cked himself. Ultimately he will be right, but I doubt he knows anything more than anyone else outside the case. Pathetic, isn’t it?
Brother Timmy is a disgrace to his Jesuit education – wouldn’t be surprised if he was the one responsible for Condi’s honorary degree this week at BC (over which one BC Prof has very publicly resigned). Fitz on the other hand is what a Jesuit education strives to produce – integrity, compassion, a love of socratic inquiry, questioning everything, accepting nothing without rigorous study and debate, more inquiry, then yet more debate, all served up with humility and acceptance of one’s own humanity and propensity to err.
Boston College still gives an annual award honoring those who have advanced causes helping the underpriviledged and the downtrodden – the Archbishop Romero Award – named after Archbishop Oscar Romero, the Jesuit prelate who was assassinated in El Salvador by government thugs in the 80’s. Don’t think either Tim or Condi will be receiving this one any time soon…..
Thanks Roger – succinct and cutty snark. You should take up stomping wildebeest for a living.
We should develop a new word/term for punkin head similar to that used for Woody Harrelson’s character in Kingpin – Roy Munson or being “Munson’d?
Perhaps “russert’d” as in tiny tim really russert’d that up!
Meet the Press= Meet the Republicans
How long will it be before Timmeh notices that Lieberman is about to get his ass handed to him?
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