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	<title>Comments on: Fitzgerald Investigation/Libby Case Update, Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Lobstergirl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-114342</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobstergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#97: &lt;i&gt;Mason says: &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pm&lt;br /&gt;
Let’s not forget that John Hannah and David Wurmser have cooperated with Fitzgerald’s investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hannah is a neocon and he was Cheney’s principal deputy national security adviser in July, 2003. He pled guilty last year to passing classified information to two members of AIPAC who now are charged with passing the information on to Israeli agents. Hannah was sentenced to 12 years in prison and, I imagine, is desperate to earn a reduction in his sentence. What better way than to tell all that he knows about Plamegate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wrong!  You’ve identified the wrong person.  John Hannah was an aide to John Bolton and now works as a national security aide to Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LARRY FRANKLIN is the former Defense Department employee who was sentenced in January ‘06 to almost 13 years in prison in the AIPAC espionage affair.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#97: <i>Mason says: </i></p>
<p>May 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pm<br />
Let’s not forget that John Hannah and David Wurmser have cooperated with Fitzgerald’s investigation.</p>
<p>Hannah is a neocon and he was Cheney’s principal deputy national security adviser in July, 2003. He pled guilty last year to passing classified information to two members of AIPAC who now are charged with passing the information on to Israeli agents. Hannah was sentenced to 12 years in prison and, I imagine, is desperate to earn a reduction in his sentence. What better way than to tell all that he knows about Plamegate.</p>
<p>Wrong!  You’ve identified the wrong person.  John Hannah was an aide to John Bolton and now works as a national security aide to Cheney.</p>
<p>LARRY FRANKLIN is the former Defense Department employee who was sentenced in January ‘06 to almost 13 years in prison in the AIPAC espionage affair.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-114194</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 18:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In response to Ron Russell &amp; post #114:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not certain about Sibel Edmons, but I do recall that he stated three or four weeks ago that an underlying crime was committed in the Plame case, which is another reason for doubting that he would dismiss an indictment against Rove that was filed under seal and not yet public.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Ron Russell &amp; post #114:</p>
<p>I’m not certain about Sibel Edmons, but I do recall that he stated three or four weeks ago that an underlying crime was committed in the Plame case, which is another reason for doubting that he would dismiss an indictment against Rove that was filed under seal and not yet public.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-114190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In reply to dacascadian &amp; post #115:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure what you’re suggesting, but I only intended to say that prosecutors have enormous influence over the indictment process. I did not accuse and did not intend to accuse Fitzgerald of abusing the grand jury by ramming a phony case down their throats. Fitzgerald seems to be everything I would want a prosecutor to be: intelligent, honest, and fair. I apologize if I wasn’t clear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to dacascadian &amp; post #115:</p>
<p>I’m not sure what you’re suggesting, but I only intended to say that prosecutors have enormous influence over the indictment process. I did not accuse and did not intend to accuse Fitzgerald of abusing the grand jury by ramming a phony case down their throats. Fitzgerald seems to be everything I would want a prosecutor to be: intelligent, honest, and fair. I apologize if I wasn’t clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 09:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the indictment, Fitzgerald made it infinitely clear that it wasn’t his job to chase the truth, to figure out a path through the lies, misrepresentations, excuses, after-the-fact logic. He indicted Libby because Libby didn’t tell the “truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” Like Mr. Rove, Libby told the best story he could muster on any given day to hide the fact that he, and plenty of others, were working full time to give Boss Cheney what he and the American Enterprise Institute/Project for the New American Century Cabal what they wanted - their American Tough Guy war. Their “spin machine” is still running unabated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those Aspens are still turning together…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the indictment, Fitzgerald made it infinitely clear that it wasn’t his job to chase the truth, to figure out a path through the lies, misrepresentations, excuses, after-the-fact logic. He indicted Libby because Libby didn’t tell the “truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.” Like Mr. Rove, Libby told the best story he could muster on any given day to hide the fact that he, and plenty of others, were working full time to give Boss Cheney what he and the American Enterprise Institute/Project for the New American Century Cabal what they wanted &#8211; their American Tough Guy war. Their “spin machine” is still running unabated.</p>
<p>Those Aspens are still turning together…</p>
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		<title>By: daCascadian</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113527</link>
		<dc:creator>daCascadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 05:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason &gt;”…The prosecutor drafts the indictment and presents the witnesses. Most of the time the grand jury is little more than a rubber stamp for whatever the prosecutor is attempting to do…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is EPU territory…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This has only been true primairly since the end of WWII while before that many grand juries offered “presentments” w/o the direction of a prosecutor (indictment)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;both paths are constitutional (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution&quot;&gt;5th Amendment&lt;/a&gt;) :&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“&lt;i&gt;No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger…&lt;/i&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…I have reason to know, as do many of you, that when the evidence on a controversial subject is fairly and calmly presented, the public recognizes it for what it is–an effort to illuminate rather than to agitate…” - Edward R. Murrow&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason &gt;”…The prosecutor drafts the indictment and presents the witnesses. Most of the time the grand jury is little more than a rubber stamp for whatever the prosecutor is attempting to do…”</p>
<p>This is EPU territory…</p>
<p>This has only been true primairly since the end of WWII while before that many grand juries offered “presentments” w/o the direction of a prosecutor (indictment)</p>
<p>both paths are constitutional (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution">5th Amendment</a>) :</p>
<p>“<i>No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger…</i>“</p>
<p>“…I have reason to know, as do many of you, that when the evidence on a controversial subject is fairly and calmly presented, the public recognizes it for what it is–an effort to illuminate rather than to agitate…” &#8211; Edward R. Murrow</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Russell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 04:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mason,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Judge Reggie Walton the one who sided with the government in the Sibel Edmons “State Secrets” issue?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason,</p>
<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Judge Reggie Walton the one who sided with the government in the Sibel Edmons “State Secrets” issue?</p>
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		<title>By: jcricket</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113409</link>
		<dc:creator>jcricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why would Fitz need to &lt;i&gt;prove&lt;/i&gt; that the notes were written by Cheney?  Wouldn’t it be enough for another witness to say that they had a conversation with Libby or some kind of communication from Libby referring to the comments and that Libby referred to them as having been made by Cheney?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I realize that Libby says he hadn’t seen them until the FBI showed him - but if there is someone that says that Libby referred to them, wouldn’t that impeach Libby without having to authenticate Cheney’s handwriting?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Fitz need to <i>prove</i> that the notes were written by Cheney?  Wouldn’t it be enough for another witness to say that they had a conversation with Libby or some kind of communication from Libby referring to the comments and that Libby referred to them as having been made by Cheney?</p>
<p>I realize that Libby says he hadn’t seen them until the FBI showed him &#8211; but if there is someone that says that Libby referred to them, wouldn’t that impeach Libby without having to authenticate Cheney’s handwriting?</p>
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		<title>By: fiddlerontheroof</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113404</link>
		<dc:creator>fiddlerontheroof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having reviewed Libby’s filings of this month, it appears that Libby is well aware that his various motions are going nowhere, but that the motions are designed to flush out Fitz’s hand. Such tactics are to be expected.  Libby’s representation that he had never seen Cheney’s handwritten notes on the article discussed in the recent filings could very well be misleading.  Just because you have not seen something does not mean that you are unaware of it.  And the comments that the prosecutor may not be able to authenticate Cheney’s written comments without calling Cheney as a witness seems to be designed to flush out whether Fitz will be authenticating Cheney’s hand written comments via a third person, who saw Cheney write those comments (and perhaps discussed the comments with Cheney).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having reviewed Libby’s filings of this month, it appears that Libby is well aware that his various motions are going nowhere, but that the motions are designed to flush out Fitz’s hand. Such tactics are to be expected.  Libby’s representation that he had never seen Cheney’s handwritten notes on the article discussed in the recent filings could very well be misleading.  Just because you have not seen something does not mean that you are unaware of it.  And the comments that the prosecutor may not be able to authenticate Cheney’s written comments without calling Cheney as a witness seems to be designed to flush out whether Fitz will be authenticating Cheney’s hand written comments via a third person, who saw Cheney write those comments (and perhaps discussed the comments with Cheney).</p>
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		<title>By: drouse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113403</link>
		<dc:creator>drouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The sheriff look at the seeing eye dog&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then he looked at the 24 8×10 color glossy photo with the circles and the arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one telling how it would be used as evidence against me&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and he looked at the seeing eye dog&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;he relised that it was a typical case of american blind justice and that the judge would not be looking at his 24 8×10 color glossy photo with the circles and the arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one telling how it would be used as evidence against me&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sheriff look at the seeing eye dog</p>
<p>Then he looked at the 24 8×10 color glossy photo with the circles and the arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one telling how it would be used as evidence against me</p>
<p>and he looked at the seeing eye dog</p>
<p>he relised that it was a typical case of american blind justice and that the judge would not be looking at his 24 8×10 color glossy photo with the circles and the arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one telling how it would be used as evidence against me</p>
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		<title>By: jcricket</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/21/fitzgerald-investigationlibby-case-update-part-ii/#comment-113402</link>
		<dc:creator>jcricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alberto Gonzales is the most ill-qualified AG in recent history.  He can only hide behind the unitary executive theory so long before he has to actually defend the theory in court.  Probably the SC.  Even so, he is NOT a great legal mind, and doesn’t have what it takes to pull it off.  As a matter of fact, he is of the mediocre bent that so defines the Bush cronyism pattern.  If he pushes the issue, eventually, he will get his ass handed to him on a plastic, dishwasher faded platter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alberto Gonzales is the most ill-qualified AG in recent history.  He can only hide behind the unitary executive theory so long before he has to actually defend the theory in court.  Probably the SC.  Even so, he is NOT a great legal mind, and doesn’t have what it takes to pull it off.  As a matter of fact, he is of the mediocre bent that so defines the Bush cronyism pattern.  If he pushes the issue, eventually, he will get his ass handed to him on a plastic, dishwasher faded platter.</p>
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