You’d think an 18 year incumbent would not be spending the day before the state convention trembling in the pisser. But according to our man on the scene, Connecticut Bob, Lieberman is acting like a man desperately afraid of losing:
And here’s more of Joe’s treachery:
“…So, here is the scuttlebut I am hearing…
Lieberman is getting DTCs (Democratic Town Committees) to call emergency meetings this evening to adopt resolutions for bloc-voting tomorrow night. Follow up if and where you can, and feel free to run with the story…”
Joe is trying to force every DTC chairman to coerce all their members to vote for Joe alone.
And I’m going to be interviewing delegates tomorrow to see if Holy Joe’s goon squad has been strong-arming them.
Joe is hearing footsteps behind him…
Bob will be our FDL correspondent tomorrow at the convention. He’ll be there with a video camera and he’s compiling a list of questions for party bigwigs so if you have any suggestions, stop by his blog and leave them in the comments. I think I’m more excited about that than anything else — Boss Hogg Lieberman stands a very good chance of dominating and manipulating the local pols, but it will be great to see grass roots activists like Bob show up, camera in hand, and cut through the bullshit and bring some refreshing honesty to the scene.
He’s offering a free DVD copy of the convention footage to those whose questions he gets the chance to pose. In the words of Ron Popeil, now how much would you pay?
(graphic by NeoJoe)
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Fitz tomorrow!
I wonder if any of those resolutions will result in bloc votes for Lamont biting Lieberman in the ass.
Lamont!
EPU’d from previous thread==
2 things- (some help needed)
1) Couldn’t get the Lamont commercials to run properly last eve (via internet). I emailed to the Lamont site- and I got 2 emails back!! One saying we’ll have a tech person look into it, and the other from the tech person with several suggestions. All I can say is WOW! I wasn’t even expecting a reply. just wanted to give them a “heads up”. I am very impressed by this individual attention. (course I did mention FDL ;) and link last eve’s post).
2) I am trying to resolve the problem. One thing is clear- that I should get an updated version of Firefox. Have 1.0.5. I didn’t download the first update after that bec. there were some problems with it. So, for FF users- what is the latest one to download that does NOT HAVE any GLitCHes? Thx in advance.
fitz forever!
(but let’s huury up with the indictments – need the fridge space)
feingold on the Floor of the Senate!
(ooh that sounds kind od naughty)
hurry
sigh – proofreading
sweet jesus i hate joe. please, please let ned strike a blow for the real demz.
Got this in an e-mail (Roots Proj, I just checked, sorry)
Folks from MA, Ct, Vt and NY might be interested.
Our friends at the Media Giraffe Project at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst are holding an event we thought would interest you.
What: “Democracy & Independence: Sharing News and Politics in a Connected World”
When: June 28 – July 1, 2006
Where: Amherst, Mass.
News: http://www.mediagiraffe.org/news
Who’s coming: http://www.mediagiraffe.org/wiki
Schedule: http://www.mediagiraffe.org/program.pdf
A combination roundtable summit, workshop and conference on how the Web and multimedia are redefining journalism and participatory democracy, this event is for media, politics, education and technology visionaries and practitioners.
The event is being organized by The Media Giraffe Project and sponsored in part by the university, the Boston Globe, MassLive/Advance Internet, the New England Press Association and Omidyar Network. Participants will include Josh Silver of Free Press, White House columnist Helen Thomas, Boston.com Editor Teresa Hanafin, Common Cause’s Chellie Pingree, NOLA.com Editor Jon Donley and many other visionaries.
DISCOUNTED REGISTRATION:
Media Giraffe is offering a special registration rate to Free Press members. Click on the link below for instructions on how to claim the discount (along with details of the conference):
http://www.mediagiraffe.org/freepress
We hope to see you there,
Yolanda Hippensteele
Program Manager
Free Press
http://www.freepress.net
O/T, but infuriating:
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ROCKVILLE, Md. (AP) – A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by a German man who said he was illegally detained and tortured in overseas prisons run by the CIA, ruling that a lawsuit would improperly expose state secrets.
Thursday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III makes no determination on the validity of the claims by Khaled al-Masri, who said he was kidnapped on New Year’s Eve 2003 and detained for nearly five months before finally being dumped on an abandoned road in Albania.
The ruling hands a victory to the Bush administration, which intervened in the civil lawsuit to prevent exposure of its tactics in the war on terrorism.
During his detention, al-Masri said he was beaten and sodomized with a foreign object by his captors. He also alleges that a CIA team forced him to wear a diaper and drugged him before a flight to an Afghan prison and refused to contact German authorities about his arrest.
Ellis said he was satisfied after receiving a secret written briefing from the director of central intelligence that allowing al-Masri’s lawsuit to proceed would harm national security.
“In the present circumstances, al-Masri’s private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets,” Ellis wrote…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12861553/
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“State secrets” = BushCo criminality, which just got a blank check. Sux. It’s shit like this that ITSELF harms our national security, not the exposure of it.
Joe is getting desperate. How pathetic.
Joe is dying the death of a thousand putz.
Posted this at Bob’s blog:
The National Democratic Party eliminated bloc voting in 1972 by a rules committee floor vote before George McGovern’s nomination. Are Connecticut Democrats taking the party back to the old back-room boss days?
Bobby G -
So all that has to happen is for the DNI to say “state secrets” and *poof* it’s okay?
Basically, it is okay if the intelligence services break the law under the direction of the White House so long as they claim national security?
This is not the America I was born in, and sure as hell not the America I want to die in.
BobbyG– that made me sick and do ya think most of the muriken people will get it or hear it? Nope. Ptooey– everything is being done in our name for national security and it does not work– it just hides the crimes and makes us less secure.
I agree, Matt. It really stinks. We are on the verge of becoming a true police state.
VG here–
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html
*ilson or anyone else F5ing the Fitz doj site: could you post a link? I seemed to have accidentally deleted the bookmark.
in Indiana, we have secret ballot voting at the State Convention. Isn’t that true also in Connecticut?
(although there is the famous story of Win Moses, the Fort Wayne party boss who simply ripped off the curtain on the machine for that Congressional District. He stood there and watched his delegates vote right. Nobody was powerful enough to call him on it! this was 20 years ago or so)
Valley Girl, you should use the latest version of Firefox, for security reasons. The latest released version is 1.5.0.3
And, as a software developer, I never promise that software has no glitches. :)
Joe may be getting desperate. But I don’t like this one bit what he’s doing. It’s undemocratic.
Bob Adams you are more of an intrepid reporter than any of those high-paid people. You rock!
The grass has roots.
(Chancy Gardener)
Valley Girl — I’m running Firefox 1.5.0.3, which is the current one, and I’ve had no trouble with it.
Leiberman was not just a supporter of the Iraq War…I believe he was the most passionate advocate for the war in the United States Senate. He has some responsibility for the deaths of thousands of young Americans who have died in a war based on a pack of lies. The Democrats in Connecticut need to send this guy into retirement.
VG: The real Patrick Fitzgerald’s website:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
BobbyG- any chance you can answer my FF question above ~#4?
angie, that the rest of the country doesn’t know these details is incredibly frustrating, I agree. I mentioned the Duke Cunningham case to my best friend yesterday and she had no idea what I was talking about, but today she informed me that Paul McCartney and Heather Mills didn’t have a prenup. I made her sit through the Cunningham and the Shirlingtom limo stories today after shopping. I know she’ll vote Dem, but there is no excuse. She says she just depends on me and firedoglake.
I also wanted to thank you for including me in that list of yours yesterday re: commenters you value. I was very touched.
angie, that the rest of the country doesn’t know these details is incredibly frustrating, I agree. I mentioned the Duke Cunningham case to my best friend yesterday and she had no idea what I was talking about, but today she informed me that Paul McCartney and Heather Mills didn’t have a prenup. I made her sit through the Cunningham and the Shirlingtom limo stories today after shopping. I know she’ll vote Dem, but there is no excuse. She says she just depends on me and firedoglake.
I also wanted to thank you for including me in that list of yours yesterday re: commenters you value. I was very touched.
can I also just say, I’m really having a hard time getting through. Are we still going down at 10 Jane’s time, PST?
Now that is weird– I was responding to VG’s request for a link to the DOJ site for Fitz; posted it and it appears before the request.
twilight zone…
zen
I saw or got the mailer for that a while ago but the reg. cost was far more than I wanted to pay. It did look interesting though.
I’ll just have to settle for YKos instead :-)
VG #26:
FWIW, I have Firefox 1.5.0.3, and I’ve been haveing problems much of the day. I’m using IE6 to access now.
VG #26:
FWIW, I have Firefox 1.5.0.3, and I’ve been having problems much of the day. I’m using IE6 to access now.
use Firefox 1.5.0.3 — i don’t know if older versions have it but under the help menu there should be a ‘check for updates’ that will assist you in quickly downloading the latest and greatest version or simply go here : http://www.mozilla.com/product…..lang=en-US and your download will start . . .
Apologies for the double post. Glitches continue, apparently.
It must be a server thing. Neither Firefox nor Safari are working well on this site, but they are fine elsewhere.
Big tech glitches while they are switching servers. Could be that Jane and Redd are getting ready for the deluge that is sure to hit should Fitzo de Mayo happen. These problems have been off and on during the day at least when I’ve been online.
I use the latest Firefox and I’ve been having problems. Also, I cannot install any WMP plugins either for some reason.
Valley Girl – I don’t think I’m seeing all the comments when I refresh, so just in case these haven’t been posted, here are the links I’ve seen around here for Fitz Watch:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/…..dings.html
I am just so worried that the harried server techs will still be futzing around when the Fitzdictments soon get issued . . .
You are important here and deserve major thanks for your insights, zennurse!
So many here have enlightened me and lightened the load on my shoulders! I have dear ones that understand where I am coming from, but it is truly great to have FDL where we can agree or not– with civility and care and thought.
Mars, glitches!
Please techies– do your mojo majik expert thing! Wouldn’t that be insane if we could not talk tomorrow, Fitzmas Day? oh, sweet irony– begone from 5/19/06 and plan another day!
Thanks for everyone’s patience with the server propagation. It should be over by tomorrow morning, and we’ll be in great shape to handle whatever comes up (should there be, you know, any event that places a big demand on our servers).
I was going to do Ramesh for late nite but alas I’m afraid the servers might go all funky again and Ramesh wouldn’t see it. I would be crushed quite frankly so I think I’ll hold it until tomorrow prime time.
As an official member of “the party of death” I think I owe him nothing less.
Doughy Pantload Alert
Jonah Goldberg on Larry King panel CNN, says if Bush wants his rating numbers to go up, he needs to become more of a wingnut.
Zennurse #9 – That mediagiraffe thing up at Amherst also has Aldon Hynes working for it; he’s Ned Lamont’s web designer and his wife Kim is his scheduler. Aldon’s trying to get some interest in a seminar about new media video coverage. It sounds interesting.
Regarding the convention tomorrow, we’re putting together a fairly formidable crew at the last minute. Some local Nedheads and bloggers who didn’t have convention access before today were just granted “volunteer” status.
I’m gonna have plenty of help tomorrow, that’s for sure!
Interesting, I hit submit on that comment that reposted and got the Duplicate message detected message, but it posted anyway. What a strange place this is tonight.
If Shez is around or reads this, I did post her question about Jim Marcinkowski at No Quarter, so we’ll see what develops.
keep that powder dry, Jane!!! he’s gonna be in for a major ass-whuppin’! whee, can’t wait!
That’s great, Bob, I’m going to look into it. I can’t go, but will see what it’s all about for future. Clearly Aldon and Kim are doing a great job.
It’s pretty pathetic that Lieberman can’t see how pathetic all his whiny machinations are. WATB.
“A coward dies a thousand times before his death;
The valiant ne’er taste of death but once.” — Shakespeare, from Julius Caesar.
My hotel room Internet access is busted (fucking Disney!), so I’m stuck trying to catch up on the Treo. Hi from Orlando, everyone!
Are the repeated postings of Lieberman photos intended to depress traffic & thus lighten the load on the servers during the changeover?
I was just searching the fdl archives for the recent Indictment prediction contest thread and shaking my head, laughed at the lonely category for Ramesh and the Party of Death.
Ramesh needs some touch.
Hi everybody, gotta fitz and run again, too much stuff goin on this week (no, not the romance – well, maybe) – anyway still lurkin all I can to keep up – e-kisses to all under the fitzletoe tomorrow – a girl can hope!
Oh, and buh-bye, Rape Gurney Joe or whatever Jane’s been calling your sorry ass.
Pach…
Disneyland?
Great Ned Lamont DVD cover here:
http://static.flickr.com/47/14…..53c849.jpg
That picture is directly from Ned’s site:
http://nedlamont.com/blog/177/nedtv-dvd
Swopa 49 – yes.
Sharkbabe 51 — “rape gurney Joe” — I like that one. Kinda catchy. Think that one will come in handy.
Hi Pach– do not snorkel or jog, whatever you do! Have fun and whistle while you work!
Although I would love for Fitzmas to come tomorrow, it just doesn’t seem like there was much real news or chatter that leads me to think there will be an announcement tomorrow. The only thing kinda new I saw was an update by Jason Leopold on last Saturday’s article, and also this little bit on http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ So Luskin is now a subject? Alberto Gonzalez was at the US Federal Courthouse on Wedenesday to hear the Grand Jury’s decision to indict Karl Rove? Are there any other sources on this?
Lmao, Jane ,
Mr. Party of Death seems to be having problems going through puberty.Either that or his whitey tightey’s are WAY too tight.Gotta give Jon Stewart credit for not making him wet himself.I thought Jon was quite polite, while stingingly appropriate.
CapitolHillBlue was linking to WayneMadsen verifying Leopold. It’s gotta be true now, right?
zennurse — while we’re still pulling from two servers, and they’re having to communicate re: people’s comments and posting content there’s going to be weirdness. Hopefully we’ll be fully propagated tomorrow morning and the phantom stuff will end.
TeddySanFran:
“The National Democratic Party eliminated bloc voting in 1972 by a rules committee floor vote before George McGovern’s nomination. Are Connecticut Democrats taking the party back to the old back-room boss days?”
Yes, I remember that, it was also called unit rule, and it was a tactic bosses used to control any dissidents who found their way into their delegations. I thought it was outlawed, too, but don’t know whether it is still in effect or if it’s binding in state party affairs. Anyone?
What Lieberman is reportedly doing is undemocratic and unDemocratic.
Ramesh was talking as if he were two nutmegs short . . .
Wayne Madsen is not a credible reporter, unfortunately.
Byron York (yeah, I know he’s conservative, but he makes some good points here):
http://corner.nationalreview.c…..QxMjE5NTE=
National Democratic Party convention rules apply only to Federal candidates (like Senators)
as i said earlier today:
Joe Lieberman is a TRAITOR,
1. To the Democratic Party and
2. To The United States of America.
Case closed.
What can Lamont do in response? Can he officially make a complaint if this is illegal per CT state laws? Or as just mentioned, this is for a federal office, so brader laws apply.
Wish Lamont could get one official who was talked to about bloc voting go public and do an ad. Let’s make public what Joe wants to keep private.
I emailed Hillary tonight, asking her why she is supporting Lieberman when he refuses to say he’ll endorse the Democratic winner of a Senate primary. I also mentioned that Lieberman also hasn’t ruled out running as an Independent if he loses.
I asked the good lady Senator how she’d feel if her “friend” Joe Lieberman turned his back on her support and the Democratic party.
I’m sure she’d love to hear from all of you…
http://clinton.senate.gov/contact/
After calling Wyden I sent the fdl take action link from earlier today to a friend in MI and to my wife at work here in OR. They both called their respective Senators. I then started calling the GOP offices. By the time I got to Roberts I got an afterhours answering machine and took advantage of it. Gave them a piece of my mind about protecting OUR rights instead of always protecting Bush. Told him I was a “constitutent” and I was confident Hayden could tell him from wence I was calling (snark). I will be sending out more emails to friends tonight urging them to make calls tomorrow.
good story on Michael Haydens obvious lie today — even I caught it! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..21266.html
We had an excellent anti-war rally down at the White House today. Spiritual Progressives are some fun, fun, folks!! Lieberman was not in attendance.
There was singing, dancing, prayer, speeches, sunshine, rain, and lots of peace and love. I have a short diary on it at dkos.
Zennurse should have been there because we did get into some extreme peace activity. Check out Declaration of Peace or Don’t Attack Iran for more info. Plan a trip to DC for September if the troops aren’t home yet. This time we mean it.
j
I like rape gurney Joe; but really, do you think he’d even deign to offer a rape victim a gurney? More like a hard, cold, dirty, beat up metal chair and a smirk of derision transmitting “you asked for it”– now get up and leave or we’ll force you to bear your spawn and the result of YOUR sins! Here, have a map and a thimbleful of water as a goodbye gift!
yep zennurse, still here, trying to make arraingments with my daughter to go visit the ex-sis-in-lawish, her son is home from Iraq for 10 days and we want to see him so that he can see my grandson, his little cousin.
I was EPU’d again after answering you a 2nd time, HUGE thanks for posting that at Larry’s site! As you can tell it’s something that has been bugging me something fierce. What would we all do without each other here???
*ilson #58:
What ever utility Leopold’s original story might’ve had is pretty much moot, IMO. Now it’s a “credibility” contest among various sources – even Bobby Ray Inman’s gotten into the act. I hope things work out as we’re hoping tomorrow, but the more I don’t read anything (a) official or (b) sufficiently credible that Jane and Christy would stand behind it, the more I’m resigning myself to hibernation mode.
Bloc voting has undemocratic consequences at the national level, too, as in the candidate winning a minority of votes being elected president.
Jane,
Looking forward to your piece on Ramesh.
He has already made himself into an archetypal living punchline.
Ridiculing him at this stage is almost like gilding the lily.
I still belive in all of us helping Lamont get elected,both for the good of the country(1) and also to show the emerging strength of the netroots(2).Less important but still satisfying-a kick in Schumer and Clinton’s respective asses.
Ramesh? gelding the lily?
I’m at Disney, but working, speaking at a conference. No time for fun. I fly back tomorrow.
Kick some ass while I’m gone!
Exactly, DMM!
GrandmaJ #65 – I’m not sure if Joe’s little subterfuge is actually illegal under election laws, but it sure as hell is somewhere south of fair play; if he’s actually doing this, I’m going to try to get delegates confirming it on tape for broadcast.
OT…I just re-read HST’s “Better Than Sex”, about the ‘92 campaign…damn, but the good doctor knew how to turn a phrase. His characterization of Hillary Clinton made me wake my wife with my laughing.
Lieberman losing to Lamont would send tectonic plates skedaddling all over DC kitchens for sure . . .
lily’s have gelds?
Goodbye, Fucknut Leibergirl.
You will have to take my word for it, if You so desire to, that I have some experience in the echelon of the military and of the government branches and agencies. From my experience, one will never reach the proverbial top unless one cowers. There is and will always be the exception — the one Patton out of ten million — but, the odds today are that the ‘Patton’ will be retained in a position more useful(?), or the ‘Patton’ will be discharged.
And so all of You that might not know, do know, that is what the “early retirements” after Iraq1 was all about. The cowards needed to get rid of the ‘Pattons’ in bulk. And so ‘they’ did.
Your gods are your satans:)
dadgum, *ilson, you are funnier than usual tonite!
Saw Ramesh on TDS last night and he looked terrified. At one point near the end of the interview, Principal Stewart said: “I have one more question and I’m gonna let you get out of here”. I’m sure the Daily Show has to re-upholster that seat when all was said and done.
Sorry, off topic, but we need a new James Otis
zennurse >”…I made her sit through the Cunningham and the Shirlingtom limo stories today after shopping…”
Great image there, thanks !
Aloha Joe & be careful about that door on the way out – fu*kin scumbag
And a big “Howdy !” to the NSA folks; hope ya are enjoyin your shift…
“If you don’t behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.” – Bishop Fulton John Sheen
Oh, thanks, Jim, for remembering my desire. I do wish I had been there and I’m glad you had great weather. I’m planning on September in a tentative way, isn’t world can’t wait doing something in October (kind of late, imho)? I will look at your links now.
Shez, I would like to see this addressed on his site, I agree it’s a bit hinky that the only place it’s even mentioned is in a media blurb. However, the blurb is about Joe Wilson being the person who introduced him at his announcement, so maybe he was a squishy Repub, and just needed a little nudge. Unfortunately, he got a huge kick in the pants with his friend’s disturbing exposure. He and Larry and Val all trained together at “The Farm”.
Namaste
zen
JHamsher 59: “fully propogated”
I luv it when Jane talks dirty.
Party of Life update:
US troops killed in May 2006: 50
UK troops: 7
Iraq Security forces and civilians: 603
Fetuses: Unknown
-GSD
This sung to the Everley Brothers Bye Bye Love
Bye bye Joe
Hello Ned lamont-
doh I forgot the rest you’ll have to take it from here..
Fues
al-Scooter says:
May 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
I agree with you, but my only hope is that at a recent hearing in the case (I forget which one exactly) the judge and Fitz seemed to say that certain discovery issues regarding Rove would be settled soon – IIRC. That makes me think it can’t be too far off.
Jim #69,
Good to go Jim!
Top Air Force brass under FBI scrutiny. Nope, nothing on Elmer Hayden-Fudd.
Some boilerplate graft and corruption is all.
http://today.reuters.com/news/…..ived=False
-GSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B…..loc_voting
is also used to refer to the concept of voting as a bloc, a system of winner take all decision-making whereby the vote of an entire electoral unit is cast in line with the majority decision of that unit, discounting any contrary votes. The most prominent example of this is the system used by most states for the United States Electoral College – a candidate winning a narrow plurality of votes in a particular state gets every electoral vote for that state. This leads to a “triage” strategy of presidential candidates aggressively trying to win narrow majorities in close swing states while avoiding campaigning in ones with a more certain outcome.
Types of tactical voting
There are different types of tactical voting:
(sometimes “useful vote”) is a type of tactical voting in which a voter insincerely ranks an alternative higher in the hope of getting it elected. For example, in the first-past-the-post election, voters may vote for an option they perceive as having a greater chance of winning over an option they prefer (e.g., a left-wing voter voting for a popular moderate candidate over an unpopular leftist candidate, or in order to help defeat a strong right-wing candidate.)
HEY, big thanks to all for the FF info and the doj link. I was having a terrible problem accessing FDL and went off to do something else.
Yeah, *ilson, you really do seem keyed up!!! How’s the F5 finger holding up? I am a hopin that tomorrow is a great day for special reasons!
I think DC in September sounds nice– real nice, Jim @ 69. Thanks for doing that!
TPMMuckraker has an update on Leopold’s story-and I take them a bit more seriously.
He can dish it out (like when he took out Lowell Weiker, one of the finest senators ever) but he can’t take it.
angie,Jim,
Swelling the streets of DC in protest,getting close to the election.Hmmmm DC does sound rather nice in September.
Here’s the TPM piece:
Truthout Editor: I Know and Speak With Leopold’s Secret Rove Sources
By Justin Rood – May 18, 2006, 3:55 PM
I spoke with Marc Ash yesterday – he’s the Executive Director of Truthout.org, and the editor who’s been working with Jason Leopold on his stories about how Bush adviser Karl Rove has been indicted; that Rove privately told President Bush he would be resigning; and that Fitzgerald met with Rove’s lawyer for 15 hours last Friday.
Leopold’s stories were long received with silence from both the mainstream and alternative press; as the days go by and no indictment has been forthcoming, what coverage has emerged has been questioning, if not derisive, about Truthout’s coverage.
Truthout and Ash have stood by Leopold’s reporting. Relying as he does almost completely on anonymous sources, I wondered if Leopold shared his sources’ identities with his editor. So I asked Ash if he knew the identities of Leopold’s sources. “I do,” he told me. Have you spoken with any of them? “I have,” Ash said. “I work with Jason on all sourcing, on all of his pieces, prior to publication.”
Keeping an editor in the loop on the identities of confidential sources helps ensure reporters don’t make up “sources” out of whole cloth — which some have come close to accusing Leopold of doing for these stories. It’s not a foolproof safeguard — serial fabricator Steven Glass found ways around the practice (for a time) at The New Republic. But it helps, if only by staking two more reputations — Ash’s and Truthout.org’s — on Leopold’s reporting.
CNN just showed something remarkable live on TV. They were at the US-Mexican border fence and two guys had just slipped through the fence. While the camera was live, Anderson (yum-yum) Cooper remarked the Border Police were nearby and might pick them up. The 2 dudes went back to the fence and just slid through back to Mexico to evade capture. Live on national TV. Talk of a porous border!!!
Gotta run, but just one more thing (where is that from?)… is Hayden on tomorrow again?
If he pulls that canard about not having enough information before 911 to stop the attacks – pleeeease, someone remind him of Sybil Edmunds; able danger; the Phoenix memo; and Colleen Rowley.
xyz says:
May 18th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
He should have asked Ash if he is going to make Leopold stand by his word of outing his sources if they were feeding false info.
OK everybody– what shall we wear on Fitzmas? A FDL tee? hmmmm? I will sleep in mine tonight!
Let’s leave Leopold out of the equation for a minute. His editor, or at least the guy who owns Truthout, says he heard confirmation from ABC News, MSNBC and Knight Ridder newpapers. So either the Truthout honcho is a fruit loop too or Rove is going to be publicly indicted soon ( I have tomorrow in the contest). Does anybody know anything about the Truthout guy?
As a former eastcoaster I have been overjoyed that Lamont is taking on that weasel Lieberman- even sent him 20 bucks. Now, if we can only get a real progresive to take on Feinstein in the primary when her turn rolls around. We have got to get all these corporate quisling faux-Democrats out of the party. I’d say I learned one thing from the GOP- figure out who and what your party represents and expel those who betray those beliefs- They got rid of anyone who gave a crap about people and let the multinational corporate wing take it over. We need our party to represent the people’s interest again. Enough of these DLC-esque, mealymouthed losers, like Biden, Clinton, etc.
Interesting article in the Hartford Courant:
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..tics-state
I wish I could be there! And I’m in California, where I’m dreaming of someone other than Feinstein!
Bob Adams, I have a lot of questions on my mind. I don’t mean for you to ask all or any of them, but I do want the delegates to somehow think of the women’s stuff as well as the war on Iraq. They keep saying this is a one-issue campaign and it’s not. We also can’t afford to have another cast-away vote on a filibuster against some nutwing nominee. Or have Lieberman fiddling around with Susan Collins and FEMA and , and , and oh yes, he’s o.k. with Guantanomo and UAE controlled ports and exercising “options” with Iran. Then there is the pharmaceutical stuff. I am also wondering why he has given to Farrell, but not to Nancy “the wicked witch of Medicare Johnson ’s ” opponent, as far as I can tell. Yes that Joe is such a nice regular kind of guy.
Lieberstein and Feinerman!
They are doppelgangers.
Begone! Swish!
A decisive victory for the decidering American people who have taken back their country from mongrels!
Ta Da!
Fues Fission #91
Here’s the rest:
Bye bye, Joe,
Bye bye, cheesiness.
Hello, Ned Lamont
I think he’s a-gonna fly-y.
Bye bye, Joe.
Bye bye, cowardice.
Hello, happiness.
I’m feelin’ kinda high-igh.
Bye bye, ol’ Joe, goodby-ye.
“There go my voters,
With-a someone new.
They sure look happy.
I sure am blue.
Damn that was MY seat
‘Til Ned stepped in.
Goodbye to DC
I’ve been done-in.”
Removing Leiberman from the picture is a public service,but we’ve got to be careful about attacking too many Dems.First and formost we’ve got to get a majority in the Senate or House.To eat our own at this point just props up the GOP.Let us gain that majority,then we clean out the trash.DiFi is’nt much of an asset,is she?
TalkLeft quotes Byron York apropos the fabled Gonzalez Trip to the Courthouse http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014884.html
70 Angie -
Gurney? Nope, Joe St. Elsewhere offers a taxi.
or a bus….
or thumb….
Jhombi,
As a fellow Californian, I too would love it if a progressive candidate could be found to challenge Feinstein. I send Feinstein e-mails occasionally, and when I do I usually mention Barbara Boxer as an example of the kind of senator I expect her to be. She probably never reads them, but at least I get a rise out of holding Boxer up as an example for her to emulate.
Let Lamot be a lesson to those Democratic representatives who forget what it means to be a Democrat.
choochmac – that is the question, isn’t it?
Leopold and his editor must reveal their source if there is no indictment announcement tomorrow. If not, their credibility is shredded.
Kirk Murphy (114) In New Haven, we can all drag ourselves like two-bit garbage from the gurney and limp and crawl from Saint Raphels to Yale New Haven. Wouldn’t that be fun, ladies?
Excellent, kirk– a taxi to where “everbody knows your name” to that mythical hospital St. Elsewhere. Such a guy, that Joe. All that compassion is just oozing out all over the place.
For some reason I’d like to see Chuck Shumer get a good primary challange.What a worthy netroots project that would be.
‘If you’ll give me one more chance
I swear that I will never lie to you again
because now I see…the destructive power of a lie
they’re stronger than truth
I can’t believe I ever hurt you
I swear
I will never to you lie again, please
just give me one more chance
I will never lie to you again
I swear
that I will never tell a lie
I will never tell a lie
no, no
Ha ha ha ha ha hah haa haa haa haaa!
SUCKER…SUCKER!‘
;>)
percy, that’s great! Bob should have someone sing that on his video.
not to worry, though. Big, monied Fairfield County has no worries for their gals. They have Greenwich, Stamford, and Norwalk Hospitals and all the Catholic hospitals have been bought out. So no worries for the rich and famous rethug donors… no harm, no foul– right Joey?
xyz #117:
I don’t suppose that Fitz would hold back for a few days just to tease out Leopold’s Leakers. But he did, it’d be an all-time RF.
According to the “action committee” of the Connecticut Catholic Conference, the dignity of rapist’s spawnspermatazoa is more important then the dignity, health, safety and psychological well-being of our mothers, daughters, nieces, sisters and friends.
http://www.nhregister.com/site…..&rfi=6
Thanks everyone for the encouragement, and for your support of Ned Lamont. I’m gonna go to sleep now. Busy day tomorrow.
I’ll be checking in with Jane by phone during the convention tomorrow night, and she’ll post updates as required. I’m going to do my absolute best to give FDL the scoop the moment Lamont gains the primary.
Or doesn’t, if Joe’s awful machinations work.
But I want all of you to be aware of the big Friday Night Senate contest, and I’ll have my cell phone at the ready.
‘night folks!
Evening. Hopefully Mr. Lamont will do well. We’ll see. I read the article on the union angle. I would judge organized labor support for Mr. Lamont to be, at best, mixed. Here’s what he needs to do to get their votes (he may not, at this time, be able to get endorsements, but the rank-and-file votes will help him in what is hoped to be a runoff with Lieberman:
1. He needs to visit as many union halls and other union work areas as possible. He needs to talk to those men, look them in the eye, and tell them that he’ll vote in the Senate the SAME WAY Lieberman did in support of union issues. They’ll understand. (this presumes Lamont actually is ok with these issues…I don’t know if he is or not)
2. At least as to the union guys, it’s a waste of time to get off into “netroots” stuff, the internet, so forth, and so on. Now, I’m talking what we call the “heavy-duty” unions….not the waitresses and waiters union.
3. Focus on those shipyards and docks. Tell them he’ll fight like hell to keep the defense contractors and ship building facilities in place.
4. Talk to them about gas prices, and how he’ll work to get an AMERICAN energy policy going.
5. Avoid all the gay marriage crap…it’s a non-starter.
That’s what he needs to do. He may not get formal endorsements leading up to the run-off…but those men will pull the lever for Lamont in the private voting booth.
Ghostman
G’night Bob Adams and wish you & Ned the best mojo.
Wow -
Anderson Cooper does civil disobedience with Federal criminal law on CNN.
OK, from one civil disobedient to another: good on ‘ya for this.
Plowshares actions may have higher penalties, but smashing up a nuclear weapons facility is – with all due respect – action against a more powerful target.
Nevertheless conspiring with criminals attempting violations of Federal law (and abetting them in the commission of these crimes) does leave one open to some fairly serious criminal penalties.
I’m not pretending to be an attorney or even playing one on TV. I’m just sayin’.
So – Anderson – if you’re cool with that, can I call you the next time my friends and I turn out with those big telegenic puppets for major mass gatherings?
I think you may have a second career as activists’ “police liaison”.
I mean – after all – they haven’t laid a finger on you!
Oh – if you have the time, can you give me the number of the local activist legal collective? I’m dying to know how they came by their mojo.
Peace out, dude.
Kirk
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PPS – PLEASE NOTE:
The above is parody (satire? drivel?), written from a FICTIONAL point of view.
I don’t believe people crossing US borders for economic survival or personal survival are criminals.
*ilson46201 says:
May 18th, 2006 at 7:59 pm
CNN just showed something remarkable live on TV. They were at the US-Mexican border fence and two guys had just slipped through the fence. While the camera was live, Anderson (yum-yum) Cooper remarked the Border Police were nearby and might pick them up. The 2 dudes went back to the fence and just slid through back to Mexico to evade capture. Live on national TV. Talk of a porous border!!!
looseheadprop had some interesting speculation about Madsen on a thread this morning:
“May 18th, 2006 at 7:10 am
OT re:Wayn Madsen report and reposting my EPU’s comment from last thread:
Not endorsing the Wayne Madson report or anything. I am a professional sceptic on this.
However, at least his details sound more consistetn with SOP. But only just a little bit.
I don’t remember any report of Gonzales meeting w/the GJ before the return of the Libby indictment. I never saw the AG meet with a GJ I was involved with, nor even my local US attorney. There is no reason. Before you take the indictment in for the “true bill” vote, it has to be signed off by the US Attorney.
Since Fitz stands in the shoes of the AG, he does not need a sign off (though if he did not feel the Abu had a conflict, he might run it past him as a courtesy)
Abu showing up sounds weird, but maybe it was at Abu’s own request. Abu has done other weird things.
Had it not been for the confirmed sighting of PJF at the President’s lawyer’s law firm right before the Libby indictment, I would be scoffing outright at the idea that he showed up at Patton Boggs.
The EAGLE DOES NOT FLY. Defense lawyers come to visit the government, not the other way around.
The tidbit about Luskin becoming a target, intrests me. That has some possibilites that stir the imagination.
It is also consistent with and would explain something I heard from the foley square rumor mill a while ago, but didn’t understand at the time, and would explain why Luskin became so quiet as of late.
I have not made a secret of my scepticism regarding the Leapold report. While I am miles and miles away from buying into the Madsen thing, I must admit, it has me intrigued.”
It is interesting to me that Byron York and his editors finds it newsworthy to refute Leopold and Madsen, not exactly pillars of Journalism.
deviantdevil @ 83 –
Thanks for posting — your insight on mil-spec-up-sniff is very important . . .
Great stuff at Mydd –
Republicans Play Right into the Democrats’ Hands
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/5/18/14558/4630
Re: rove indicted
I’m wondering about the blitz of activity by the Bush team and/or GOP Congress this past two weeks. To me it makes no sense to push a Hayden’s nomination, immigration reform, and a tax cut (”message” here is important, so forget for a moment that it is a giveaway to the top 2%) BEFORE a Rove indictment. Once that happens all other news will take a back seat. It seems like they would need to save their wedge issues for AFTER Rove’s indictment.
So that leaves one big impression that these criminals know the jig is up. They are making one last desperate run to save themselves, by pushing through a couple of ideologue judges, get their shill in the CIA, another $half-mil$ for themselves, and a militarized border. But will it work. I don’t think so. They’ve lost the masses. The only people truly paying attention have already picked camps and the #’s are deathly. These fuckers are finally going to reap what they sow.
So come on, Democrats. Step up the plate and hit the big old lobball they’ve thrown you down the middle. (Just another ridiculous sport’s analogy :))
Mui –
The most killer political image I can imagine wihout blood.
Will you help my enviro friends with image/message?
bless you
(PS: as a card-carrying wonk, I’ll take vivid pics over detail any chance I get. The way to a voter’s cortex cortex is through their amygdala.)
118 mui says:
May 18th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
In New Haven, we can all drag ourselves like two-bit garbage from the gurney and limp and crawl from Saint Raphels to Yale New Haven. Wouldn’t that be fun, ladies?
Mastectomy Hospital Bill in Congress
If you know anyone who has had a mastectomy there is a lot of discomfort and pain afterwards. Insurance companies are trying to make mastectomy’s an outpatient procedure. Let’s give women the chance to recover properly in the hospital for 2 days after surgery.
Breast Cancer Hospitalization Bill – Important legislation for all women.
There’s a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act which will require insurance companies to cover a minimum 48-hour hospital stay for patients undergoing a mastectomy. It’s about eliminating the “drive-through mastectomy” where women are forced to go home hours after surgery against the wishes of their doctor, still groggy from anesthesia and sometimes with drainage tubes still attached.
Lifetime Television has put this bill on their web page with a petition drive to show your support. Last year over half the House signed on.
PLEASE!! Sign the petition by clicking on the web site below. You need not give more than your name and zip code number.
http://www.lifetimetv.com/heal…..ledge.html
So if (when) he loses whats gonna happen to him?
When is the next Supreme Court opening?
Can you imagine…Bush building a bridge a la West Wing tv?
Justice Joe:
“Well of course threatenting other nations with nuclear attack is ok, and, ah hem, constitutional, as long as AIPAC says so that is.
She was just asking for it.”
y’all have to see Colbert esp wrt immigration! shrimply amazing.
ABC’s Brian Ross: Air Force Chief of Staff, Gen. T. Michael Moseley, and his predecessor,
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Completely OT: will you all take the time to call your senators on Monday and ask them to co-sponsor S. 1915, the Ensign/Landrieu bill to stop wild horse slaughter in the US…it passed in the House…it means everything to me and to the horses…please, please, please, I’m on my knees begging….thank you in advance.
Thanks jinny, great link.
Thanks for the link, ck, this is just another way the Big Insurance companies are exerting pressure to get more and give less. It is unthinkable that women are being sent home after day surgery for breast cancer of any kind, but why am I not surprised? I can assure you there is no similar effort to do the same to men with prostate cancer. Many times, women I have taken care of have needed visiting nursing care after a 4 day hospitalization for dressing changes and drain removal. Can you imagine having a mastectomy, living alone and being alone for the first dressing change? That is an icredibly difficult moment in the best of circumstances for the strongest of women. This stuff just makes me burn. This is part of the reason nurses leave the profession, it hurts to see patients treated this way. I was sorry not to see the American Nurses Association on the list of sponsors, but I will send it to them.
ck 135 -
So glad you are letting folks know about these direct protections of women’s health needs.
Your post reminds of some of the other good folks here on fdl who called attention to a truly evil Congressional effort to gut health insurance coverage nationwide.
The Congresscritters want to gut states’ authority to set coverage requirements for health insurance companies doing business in the respective states.
The proposed legislation will remove state authority to require minimum levels of care. the legislation is being trumpted as “affordable health insurance” – pseudo-insurance full of holes and limits.
Great for the insurance companies, lethal for citizens. From the Congresscritters who brought you Medicare part D – and paid for by the same sponsors.
The Republican graft never varies. The suits cash in, we cash out – horizontally.
will do, spiderpaws!
Now they really do shoot horses, don’t they?
Wild horses are so amazing… America is forgetting and abandoning what made it beautiful in the first place.
kirk murphy @ 129, “the next time my friends and I turn out with those big telegenic puppets”, can I just ask about this, because I know someone who makes big telegenic puppets for mass gatherings for peace? I’m just curious if it was a reference to an actual person or event, or generalized snark.
OT, and possibly old news? I have been working for a few days and am running behind.
Clemons has an interesting piece up here, in which he reports that Bob Inman believes Armitage may be in line for an indictment from Fitz. Inman is generally credible, in my opinion.
Although no mention is made of Powell, I wonder how far Armitage would have run without Powell’s blessing. And if Powell is somehow tangled up in this web, wouldn’t that cast an interesting light on his departure from office and relative silence since? Could these two have been yet another pair of “future formers”, cast loose to avoid embarassment upon indictment (and quicker than others, in light of their weaker ties to the inner core at the WH)?
As tightly as Fitz holds his cards, we may never know. But it is an angle that I hadn’t thought about before.
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I hope tomorrow finds Rove looking for work!
I think that’s the first time I’ve been EPU’d — new thread.
Late Nite has arrived.
I hear there are some openings on the chain gang!
John Casper #140 -YW. Scary though. Hopefully, personal integrity will be coming more and more to the fore as we get closer to elections.
Get out yr hankerchiefs for coffin Joe?
So long coffin Joe…it’s been real.
hi zennurse -
thanks so much for being a puppet maker – I love ‘em.
if i seemed i be snarking about puppets – or activists! – i do apologize.
in referring to puppet making and carrying, i was referring to actual events over several years. i’d bore folks about the details over the years, but my email is kmurphy riseup net (hope that is OK with Jane and Christy and all – if not, I do apologize).
one of my puppet-making friends is David Solnit (WTO, IMF/WB 2000, DNC 2004, *RNC 2000 [I think David was there])
May the mache be with you, zennurse -
and thanks for all the good you bring to fdl!
[*hmm - well, don’t think my posting privilege elsewhere will be restored on the strength of that rap sheet….])
ck @ # 135 -Signed and passed to my email list.
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Zennurse: I think its apalling that they only keep women in the hospital for two days now after this surgery. We need to watch this and keep
track of all who vote for.
We may need some of your puppets; smaller and life like though and
a box of pins if nothing else works!
and hi zennurse and angie -
i went to sleep early last night and missed the nice post zennurse referred to in 28 above.
err…um… angie – thanks for your kindness in mentioning me…. i honestly don’t think i merited any place among our hosts or the posters you mentioned, but i thank you.
i honestly feel that i am fortunate to be allowed to ask questions here and contribute the odd random bit (as well as participate in the quest for fitz!)
the opportunity fdl affords to learn from folks who love our Constitution and work to protect it is precious.
i’m grateful to Jane and Christy and Pach and Mike O. and Taylor and the many fine bloggers here – as well as the thoughtful and kind commenters.
[i’ve loved the Constitution ever since i learned of it in elementary school - i’m not sure if it’s in my file (it is now) but i was in my very first protest in 5th or 6th grade - peaceable seated assembly a form of petition for redress of insufficient reccess.
we did not prevail, but at least Mr. Sinclair did not call Homeland Security or the school psychologist to have me arrested and/or medicated for instigating.
if George Bush had the sense and kindness John Sinclair possessed in his little fingers, i’d feel a hell of a lot safer.]
Sorta OT:
Jane, Christy-
IANAL (but considering it), just wondering about the ramifications of Luskin becoming a “subject”. What happens when all/part of a defense team finds itself under scrutiny as well? Of course, this is all subjective at this point. I’d just be interested to learn the hypotheticals.
re my own 151 post
f’ing A – what a goddessawful typo
I meant:
RNC 2004, *DNC 2000
Not:
DNC 2004, *RNC 2000
(still meant)
[*hmm - well … ]
Go get ‘em BobA. I would move (not all the way to CT, but in a lesser move) to have the possibility of a candidate like Ned Lamont. BTW, saw the commercials and Markos just exudes some kind of positive, indominitible energy.
I know this has been mentioned b4 (btw Hugh & al-Scooter – I liked your posts and even followed all the DiRita emails al – , I just didn’t post bc I thought you knew how appreciated you were. Sorry.) but the el-Masri dismissal is another chapter from Kafka.
http://tinyurl.com/o79xu
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis agreed with government arguments that moving forward with Khaled el-Masri’s case would risk national security by exposing state secrets about CIA activities vital to the U.S. war on terrorism.
Thank goodness Judge Ellis made it clear – as clear as DOJ has already made it – HEAVEN FORBID that any part, parcel or portion of our judicial system should be seen as actually D*I*S*A*P*P*R*O*V*I*N*G of rendition. I can only imagine the collapse of the universe that would ensue if someone, somewhere, actually said that maybe they might just kinda sorta disapprove of rendition – especially of, ya know, innocent people.
“Nor does this ruling comment or rule in any way on the truth or falsity of his factual allegations,” he wrote. “Nothing in this ruling should be taken as a sign of judicial approval or disapproval of rendition programs; it is not intended to do either.”
Thank you Judge Ellis, Judge Trager, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales and all the President’s Lawyers. It is a relief that no one, anywhere, might think there was any disapproval of rendition. Let’s shy away from that values judgment on child sacrifice while we’re at it, ‘kay?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And while we’re at Kafka – Gitmo. Where they have several hundred detainees. The “worst of the worst:” (and oh yeah, a few Chinese escapees from persecution, UK residents who wouldn’t spy for them, kidnapees, purchased at a bazaar for a bargain price guys, etc.) that “have” to be held there without trial bc, well, gosh, otherwise we might miss out on all the tremendous info that we are getting!!!!! You know, that info you get when you —- don’t question them.
http://tinyurl.com/pxcbm Only about a fourth of detainees get questioned.
Kudos to the Rear Adm for telling the truth, but WTH? How many billions a month are we spending on the “war on terror” and we can’t get around to questioning the “worst of the worst” bc we just don’t have interrogators or questioners? Ummm + Hmmm. But asked if some prisoners might have gone years without being questioned, he replied, “I would think there are, but I just don’t know.”
Pssst – you forgot to coordinate with Judge Ellis. You were SUPPOSED to say: “Nothing in this failure to question for years should be taken as a sign of approval or disapproval of shipments of old men, teenagers, and Taliban prisoners to GITMO
Kirk Murphy (134) I can put my two cents in if you think it’d help ;-)
I guess Joe always could call Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel – the DSCC’s – dynamic duo and ask them to try and force Lamont from the race.
Unfortunately for the DSCC, unlike Paul Hackett, Ned Lamont apparently has the cash to go the distance, or at least part of it. Makes it harder for them to play kingmaker.
Question for Joe:
There are, according to a number of reports (most recently George Packer in the New Yorker, Fred Kaplan in the Atlantic), permanent bases that have been built in Iraq. These bases, if fully staffed, would result in a permanent presence of between 30 and 40 thousand troops in Iraq.
Do you support indefinitely maintaining a force level of this magnitude in Iraq?
Follow ups:
How does this affect the notion that Iraq’s government is sovereign?
How is that the US was able to commit the resources to build these bases in the absence of an Iraqi government (which still has not come together)? With whom does the US have a force agreement?
Second question for Joe:
In John Yoo’s book defending the President’s Constitutional authority to engage in any military action without consent of the Congress, he says the only power the Congress has with respect to controlling Presidential warmaking is the power of the purse.
The Congressional Research Service reported recently that the adminstration “diverted” about 2 billion dollars from other appropriations to preparations for the Iraq war.
Why haven’t you and your fellow Senators responded to the President taking actions that even John Yoo has deemed an unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional authority?
justice, we don’t need no stinking justice…..
“A federal judge yesterday threw out the case of a German citizen who says he was wrongfully imprisoned by the CIA, ruling that Khaled al-Masri’s lawsuit poses a “grave risk” of damage to national security by exposing government secrets.”
hat tip to Mary @ 156. Indeed, another chapter of Kafka.
In other news Susan Sarandon has endorsed John Tasini in NY against Clinton.
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/9239941/detail.html
I’m a bit naive but why hasn’t there been the push against Clinton in the blogshere that we see with Mighty Joe? Is it just a lost cause going against the Clinton Juggernaut?
Thanks.
That’s what you get Joe for sucking up to a president who thinks the constitution “is just a god damned piece of paper”. And you swore to uphold it. How shallow can you get?
Tell Joe no oversight equals no job, His failure to provide oversight which is part of his job as a Constitutional Officer is why he doesn’t deserve to be in office and if he says he knew what was going on then he should just be toss in jail.
OK, so I’m picky. But Shakespeare reads best when you get the words exactly right so it’s in its original iambic pentameter:
One of my favorite quotes.