FITZ

Fitz?

Fitz the 2nd!

Lamont!

fitz babay

An update from TalkLeft on the Jason Leopold saga.

What would happen if Godot suddenly showed up? How awesome would that be?

And Paul and Heather McCartney are separating… just a bit of Brit news to go with your PG Tips, Christy.

Man the gates! Metaphorical pitchforks and torches at the ready.

Christy – you left one out: Paul McCartney and his wife have separated.

I find the news about Nicole a bombshell. It would have been better if the announcement had been made in Aruba. That way, MSNBC and CNN could send out their SWAT teams into a very daring and exotic sounding location.

I fully expect Frist to announce that, upon viewing video of a cruise ship, that the lost passenger is indeed alive and has been living in the food locker.

Bob Adams – Did you see Google launched a video on demand service to go up against You Tube ? wonder if it will allow pieces longer than 10 min

Absolutely thrilled for Ned and all his backers – the timing of the Weicker endorsement couldn’t be better !

Fitz!

…and dragon cloud jasmine tea. Yum.

Um…after almost biblical murk, flood and deluge for the last week, the sun came out in Boston today.

1:20 EST

CNN had Rove going to the hill to address Congress on immigration. No sign of the tall man.

I’m thinking it’s time for Leapold to out his “sources”

Same here, mayan– but the skies are darkening again… ;(

dragon cloud jasmine tea
pg tips
twinnings russian… (something or other)

any more favorite teas out there?

i’m starting a fdl tea collection.

Ok, color me stupid. Godot?

I too enjoy PG Tips. Let’s not forget about the story about the BBC mix up–the two Guys. One there for a job interview; the other there for an on air interview about the Apple case. Wrong one goes on the air.

Personally, I think Fitz is trying to kill me. My sister who works up by Union Station said last night there were a million cameras pointed on the court house. Surely we would have seen something?

Listening and blog reading, the tension is high. I tend to believe the talkleft analysis of the Leopold Saturday story and am hoping it all came down that way, that Fitz said, “OK, no deal”, and is back seaking an obstruction of justice charge to go along with the perjury, etc. he presented to the Rover pack. And then we will have some Fitzjoicing to do. Waiting …

What WAS the name of the russian something tea that I believe ReddHedd wrote of one birdy Sunday morning?

We’re all tied to the Fitzing post

Is there a 12 step program for Highlighter-heads?

“Hi everyone, my name’s Kyra and I’m a Clairolic”

1:27 PM ET

refreshed FDL…AGAIN.

Decided Jason Leopold’s fate is intertwined with Rove’s. But opposite.

!:29 PM
Hit refresh.

AGAIN.

Busted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

:-)

squirrel hiller at 17 — it was Twining’s Russian Caravan. That’s my all-time fave. Makes a fabulous pot of tea for an afternoon of reading. :)

Bustednuckles– check the link for a synopsis of Waiting for Godot!

http://www.theatrehistory.com/…..tt002.html

I really do believe in the relaxing powers of Chamomile tea–perhaps that is what we all need right now.

You forget the biggest story…plane hits Pentagon vid released.

911

“Oh the whole, I’d rather be in Fitzadelphia!”

I prefer Bewley’s to PG Tips.

Weel a Lockhead Martin employee tried to sell US military secrets to China.
So, Comey whos now their genral counsel (?) will be having a busy and unpleasant day.

Re: tea . Constant Comment Mandarin Orange Spice gets my vote.

In the winter, Stash Christmas Morning tea is a favorite.

In the summer I make iced tea from rasberry leaf and 4 kinds of mint from my herb garden.

cbl – I’m going to look into the Google video option, although today I just found out about a “Director’s” membership in Youtube that allows longer vids; I just signed up (free).

I’m waaaaay behind the curve as far as online video goes, but the pressure’s on to catch up fast!

Yeah, Weicker did good today. He always was a maverick. And I guess that precludes any more talk of anybody drafting him for a run.

Dow plunges 150

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..all_street

:-(

For God’s sake Christy, no white woman in Florida is safe! Alligators are eating ever upwardly mobile female jogger in sight.

Please for the love of God do something.

Get Katherine Harris and an armed vigilante squad posted near every bog, ravine and swamp in the Sunshine State.

The life of our very Republic demands action.

-GSD

cbl– ROTFL– just WHAT is her hairdresser thinking? They must both be blinded and high from the peroxide fumes.

mayan -

While I was down in Florida the past 4 days, I read Tim Flannery’s frightening and depressing book on global warming “The Weather Makers” (http://www.theweathermakers.com). The Pretend President can pretend all he wants to that we aren’t certain whether humans are a/the cause of global warming (and therefore we shouldn’t take any countermeasures), but after reading this book (and triangulating with other credible scientific sources), I have to conclude that humanity is on the threshold of MAJOR deep shit. Absent forceful and sustained action, people 100 years from now are gonna be in a literal World of Hurt. If you have kids (who will mostly have kids), you need to read this book and give it long, hard thought.

clbrune wrote: “Decided Jason Leopold’s fate is intertwined with Rove’s. But opposite.”

Well put.

Maybe it’s the afore-mentioned murk that we’ve been living in for the last 7 or 8 days but I’ve begun to sour on the possibility of a Rove indictment. I know -on the strength of the “evidence” that we’ve pieced together- that it is counter-intuitive and heretical to doubt BUT, the paucity of information and the numerous public appearances lead me to believe that they know he’s emerging unscathed.

Maybe I need to go out and kissed by long-forgotten sunshine but IF Rove was really going down, I think Luskin and ROve would have some idea and the WH response would be to distance itself from Rove as soon as possible. To the contrary, he’s popping up like an outbreak of a bad skin disease every time I check a news source. Boy…I hope this is really just dypesia after the Leopold thang and that Friday will be the day. If not, I guess there’s always Dead-eye Dick.

Extra Points ReddHedd if you’ve actually read the play…

Russian Caravan? Is that like the Russian Tea I loved so much back in the day—lots of orange and spice?

GSD – Think if I send Katherine Harris a new pair of Nikes she’ll take the hint?

GSD says:
May 17th, 2006 at 10:32 am

“Get Katherine Harris and an armed vigilante squad posted near every bog, ravine and swamp in the Sunshine State.”
_____

She’s too busy, getting her tattoos revised:

http://www.bgladd.com/Katherine_Harris_tattoos.jpg

Blank Kluge at 28

I have looked at those pictures several times. I see the explosion, but where is the plane?

I saw one version with a highlighted oval where they claim the front tip of the plane is, but I still don’t see it. And where was the rest of the plane? In the first frame of the explosion, you should see the tail sticking out b/c from other shots of hte damage, the plane did not penatrate very far into the building (unlike the WTC where the planes went all the way through level a hollow silloette).

I’m not seeing any evidence of a plane at all. Am I blind?

Yeah, Weicker did good today. He always was a maverick. And I guess that precludes any more talk of anybody drafting him for a run.

What did I miss about Weicker? I’m from CT, too.

Geez, and I thought I was all on top of the news, too, considering I’m doing the same damn thing waiting around to see if the Rover goes down today.

It’s nice to know I’m not alone in my obsessions. :)

My ears just popped.

Dow Jones down 200.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EDJI

-GSD

My money says leapold has been sucker punched.

Mayan at 37: I am beginning to have serious doubts as well.

looseheadprop at 42: The plane hit the ground initially before hitting the Pentagon and basically disintegrated on impact. The film you are seeing is not the usual 30 frames/sec that you’re used to seeing. I believe it is 2-3 frames/sec that is standard in surveillance video cameras.

Mayan 37–
Keep the faith. Rove is literally half the man he was–what with the dramatic weight loss. I think it is possible that they just don’t know. And the WH didn’t disassociate itself from Libby; he resigned after the indictment and Bush praised him. We mustn’t forget that they are arrogant bastards who smirk in the face of adversity.

DJ — I’ve not only read the play, I’ve seen it performed. :) Good stuff.

Police
“Tea In The Sahara”

My sisters and i
Have the wish before we die
And it may sound strange
As if our minds are deranged
Please don’t ask us why
Beneath the sheltering sky
We have this strange obsession
You have the means in your possession

Tea in the sahara with you
Tea in the sahara with you

Oh… and courtesy of FauxNooz: Teen Gambling on the rise.

No linky

I just read a yahoo story (AP) stating that Rove was in Congress trying to woo (errr – hammer) rethuglicans regarding Bush’s immigration policy.

Seems to me that its one of two things:

1. Rove is confident he is not being indicted and therefore its business as usual for him (i.e. threatening members of the GOP into accepting Bush policy)

OR

2. Rove is pulling a Kobe (remember him at that hollywood awards show a day or two before he was indicted in Colorado?) and pretending all is well in Roverland.

I am absolutely dying…..c’mon Fitz!!!

Also, FWIW, I heard the Schultz interview on my way home from work last night. Boy, if THAT didn’t grab my attention.

Schultz really believes in him and he sounded pretty convincing to me.

Thank you very kindly, Dr. Bong and Angie.
Nice to have my level of culture upgraded regularly here. That is one thing I love about FDL, everyone jumps in to help the uninformed without prejudice or scorn. Just nice, friendly folks. That is way cool in my book. And btw, I can’t wait to try one of my Fitz Hammers. I just need to make sure my pillow is handy. *g*

Bob Adams,

How about some Nikes and a sports bra made from roast-beef?

-GSD

Damn! Is there a pesky gremlin that resides between my keyboard and FDL that changes my proof-read poetry into typo-filled, word-ommitted, sentences? Sorry. I’ll be better. Promise!

Sharon W,

Lowell endorsed Ned in a Hartford Courant Op Ed today

link for it from *ilson towards end of last thread

Go Ned!

GSD – Not only was that funny, but it made me throw up into my mouth a little bit.

SharonW – Today’s Hartford Courant
http://www.courant.com/news/op…..2888.story

Bustedknuckles,

Joe Klein said that blogs offer noise but no facts.

Get with it.

-GSD

last night I watched a really depressing “Frontline” on PBS about the collapse of the American pension system — how the 401k system isnt working out and large corporations are shedding defined benefit systems. Really depressing! I am a recently retired government drone with a low but sufficient pension but I worry about so many other folk! Scary !

Margot at 39 — no, it’s a type of black tea that has ben fermented in the processing in such a way that it is slightly smoky — but not as smoky as, say, Lapsang-Souchong. The Russian Tea you are talking about is one of my mom’s favorites. Here’s her recipe for it, in case you don’t have one:

RUSSIAN TEA
2 c. dry Tang
1 1/4 c. sugar
3/4 c. instant tea
1 tsp. cinnamon
1/2 tsp. ground cloves

Combine all ingredients and store in airtight containers. Use 2 teaspoon of Russian tea mix to one cup of boiling water.

The Pentagon 9/11 video may raise more questions than it answers, I see zero evidence of a large aircraft, fwiw. The eye-opener to me is that every M$M talking head I’ve seen since yesterday afternoon is propagating the “this should put all of the conspiracy theories to rest”. Uh-huh….

lhp @42– thank goodness I am not alone on that! I watched and can’t see it! and why, exactly did they not release it until the Moussaoui trial was over– was it so the families of the victims of the Pentagon crash would be spared or that the jury would not be prejudiced? CNN already had some of the film and published it eons ago…

Fitz-watching is not for the faint of heart. I’m trying to remember to breathe.

Presumably the Weicker endorsement opens the money gates for Lamont. I also imagine that Weicker all along has been the only thing that scares Joementum.

Big news.

Jane S. at 47 -> thanks, I needed that. I realize anything can happen – and probably will. I think that l’affaire Leopold over the weekend didn’t so much as sucker me in -couldn’t bring myself to make his story sensical – but it did get my juices flowing with all of the other bits and pieces that we’ve been receiving about how the Rove thang is coming to a head.

BobbyG @ 41 – tea and hey!

LOL Christy. So you’re compulsively checking TV, and we’re compulsively checking with you. Hmmm, d’you suppose someone’s compulsively checking on us (Hamshers of the Left)? NSA anyone?

Pins and needles going around.

Something to chew on while you sip your tea, Christy?
(sorry if it’s already been posted)

Libby Judge Is Allowed To View Reporters’ Notes
R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 17, 2006

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..t/asection

DROJ at 46 –

plane disintegrated on impact?!?!? you have got to be kidding me. (not sure if you were being sarcastic)

I just watched the video several times. I don’t see anything that remotely looks like a plane. In addition, the plane disintegrated?

looseheadprop says:
May 17th, 2006 at 10:36 am
Blank Kluge at 28

I have looked at those pictures several times. I see the explosion, but where is the plane?

I saw one version with a highlighted oval where they claim the front tip of the plane is, but I still don’t see it. And where was the rest of the plane? In the first frame of the explosion, you should see the tail sticking out b/c from other shots of hte damage, the plane did not penatrate very far into the building (unlike the WTC where the planes went all the way through level a hollow silloette).

I’m not seeing any evidence of a plane at all. Am I blind?
———————————————————-
It’s moving at more that 400 mph, so you shouldn’t see anything more than a blur on the video. And the plane went through several rings of the Pentagon. That’s pretty far. The section that was hit had just been renovated, and the feeling was that if the plane had hit an unrenovated part of the Pentagon, it would have gone all the way through.

There were several hundred eyewitnesses (including my father) to the Pentagon crash, as that part of the building faces the highway. I’m usually pretty open-minded on conspiracy theories, but I’m not buying any of the ones on the Pentagon.

We are merely in the 21st business hour. (8 on Mon, 8 on Tues, 4+ down, 3+ business hours to go). That would make tomorrow the day, duh!

Rove has a lot of business men to call to tell that he’ll be out of the office for a few minutes and unreachable while he posts bail. And those business men don’t take calls outside of business hours.

lhp 42-
I must confess some ‘ignorance’. I clicked in the last week or so a ‘F911′ -style kinda cyberpunk/underground treatment. That piece left me with the same thing you say today. I’ve avoided today’s release, although I think some major online oulet (maybe BBC) headline indicates opposite – ie, release DEBUNKS conspiracy theory.

So, You’re saying what you see RELEASED TODAY ‘leaves holes’ in the ‘official’ story? If so, I can’t imagine…it would be a simple matter to Photoshop if necessary. This has been withheld since the event, no?

I’ve only fairly lately come to suspicious conclusions about the whole enchelada, so I’m no expert.

What do you think?
(OR is you pulling me chain?)

Thanks cbl and Bob. That was a really great endorsement. I really think Lamont is gathering up steam here. I’ve read two positive editorials in the Hartford Courant this week.

Oh and there was some mention of a recent Rasmussen poll that showed Lamont in a much better position than the Quinnipiac Poll. Have any of you seen it?

Mayan 65–are you the one who left a comment on a Kos diary yesterday about Rove suffering? I wrote that diary, it was my first ever and almost no one read it.

Since we are jawboning a bit:

Something that made me laugh: An ad appeared on some website that stated: Confuse Bush – Use Big words.

Made me smile: A special election for state house in Chester County PA was won by a DEM for the first time in many years. Praise be the political gods…

Made me frown: I read “Waiting for Godot” in highschool. Did not understand it then and I felt really left out. Does one need a great deal of life experiences to understand it? Because in highschool there were only 2 things that mattered to me — my horses, and, well my horses. The play flew right over my head..

Made me cry outright: Hearing from a friend whose son has had 3 tours of Afghanistan and Iraq. He is home but is unhappy with civilian life. Has been offered mucho bucks to work with Blackwell — and many of his marine buddies are going. Wants to go but his fiance is saying no. I cried with the mother. I mentioned the history of Blackwell but she reports he is not listening.

There’s an interesting item up on the War Room page at Salon. Bush wrote himself a little memorandum that appears to have given the phone companies permission to hand over information and accept money for it, without having to disclose either.

One point related to comments above that bothers me. I lived for quite a few years in south Louisiana where there a LOTS of alligators and LOTS of people in, on, and around the water. The only people I knew who ever got bitten there were rangers trying to capture large alligators (They jump out of a boat on to the gator’s back and hold his mouth shut, while a partner duct tapes the mouth. You can see the room for error there.) and people who work at gator farms and handle them regularly. Problem gators (coming up in yards, lurking around docks, etc) tended to be ones that people fed. Why is it that gators and people seem to co-exist a bit better in Louisiana than in Florida? Are my former Cajun neighbors just better acquainted with gator behavior or something? Are Louisiana gators rightfully frightened of ending up in a cook pot (alligator sauce piquante! yum!)?

On Waiting for Godot.

mr. emptywheel is Irish, from the midlands, the middle of the bogs (its most redeeming feature is that it’s the one place in the country with no American tourists). So there are two lines from the play that made me crack up hysterically, when watching it in the states.

The one, as the characters look out over the audidence and talk about the bogs.

And the second–they make a joke, “I guess we should just sit here and be caam” (pronounced as the Irish do, with a really open A). “Well, if we were British, we could be cahlm.”

Its one mr. emptywheel’s pronounciations I make fun of. They nearly carted me out of the theater, I was making such a ruckus. All by myself.

Sometimes I feel that way when I obsess about the Plame case.

karelroc at 69:

Actually, airplane structure is not that beefy. The whole thing is done with minimim weight and maximum strenth IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY. Otherwise, they become really big gas guzzlers. So, when they are hit with stresses I(like hitting the ground, a building, or water) that they are not designed to withstand, airplanes do tend to come apart and sometimes in very tiny pieces. The ValueJet crash in the Everglades is a case in point. Hardly anything left at all.

(Does this make me a grand jury junkie?)
Yes, it does. You are sacrificing yourself so others don’t have to. Keep up the good work

I am taking Jason Leopold with a barrel of salt. I mean, Karl Rove being given 24 hours to get his affairs in order?? Sounds SO bogus. It ain’t like he would be dragged to the clink! And an entire floor of a law firm being locked down doesn’t pass the smell test. And Secret Service being there is farfetched. And why is it that Jason has so many sources? Hasn’t he claimed to have about five sources? Read MSM news stories; they never quote that many sources. And with a story like this where information (apart from Luskin) is so closely held, are there even five people who would know the details Leopold claims he’s been told? Why is one of his sources from the State Department? That doesn’t even make sense. The story just smells!

There were several hundred eyewitnesses (including my father) to the Pentagon crash, as that part of the building faces the highway. I’m usually pretty open-minded on conspiracy theories, but I’m not buying any of the ones on the Pentagon.
—————————————-

Thank you for saying that Frank. Living in the area I sometimes feel like I live in a parallel universe when people talk about this conspiracy. Real people saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Not nutjobs, but ordinary people who were driving by on their way to work, and also some guys who were working on the road. I saw them numerous times on television. There were phone calls from people on the plane, voice mails. There was a plane.

From John Conyers’ blog:

“Thanks to Armando of Kos for responding to Joe Klein’s attack against me and my good friends and colleagues Charlie Rangel and Alcee Hastings. I will tell you personally, the increasing shrillness of the attacks simply means our message is getting through and the GOP is running scared. I expect far more mud to be slung before November.”

-GSD

You know, I’ve posted before that some media intern needs to be spending all of his or her days on Wednesdays and Fridays sitting in a lawn chair outside the courthouse to see if Fitz shows up. I’d like to amend the idea. Memo to the media, from an avid Fitzwatcher: On Wednesdays and Fridays, please tell us if the grand jury is in session, and if so, which US Attorney is in session with them. If some other US Attorney is in there filing a whole bunch of indictments against the mafia, I’ll be able to get on with my afternoon. If the grand jury is there, and there aren’t any US Attorneys in sight, I’ll need to keep refreshing my computer. Thanks!

Yesterday’s story on cnn.com about the airplane video indicated there were several videos of the pentagon event, and they didn’t know in advance which one would be released to the public. Figures that it would be the one with the least information.

I like lapsang souchong as sun tea – much more delicate flavor: the smoke is easier to take. Leaves (leaves.com) has several nice blends also: try ‘Morning Blend’.

Before going on and on and on and on about what is not seen in the Pentagon video, learn something about airplane speeds, the number of frames per second of the camera, camera resolution, etc.

Please.

Jane S -> I think so. Kos is the Great Barbaric Yawp. Thousands of minds giving voice at once. Diaries arise and fall with rapidity…of course, I try to snag and read all things Rovian and/or Fitzgerald-ian.

Darling TeaHeads,

not that I’m the least superstitous, but everytime I take a nap this early in the day – all hell breaks loose (Delay, Goss, 5th GJ for Rovespierre, etc.) so I’m off for an early one -
just promise if the fit hits the shan, someone will fitz loudly for me . . .

have I told you lately, that I Fitz you ?

omg– cnn– is tha Katherine behind dubya !!?

Actually I did walk past Fitz’s office building and saw two photographers sitting by their curb with their big giant cameras. But no truck. They looked really young. And bored.

77: http://www.mr.emptywheel.bogspot.caam

the Preznit is doing a photo-op about tax cuts and Katherine Harris is standing right behind him – the bright sun is making both frown real bad — ugly, ugly, ugly !

SharonW – “…Oh and there was some mention of a recent Rasmussen poll that showed Lamont in a much better position than the Quinnipiac Poll. Have any of you seen it?”

Yeah, I’ve seen that also, I think, but I can’t remember where to find it.

Basically, all those polls are null and void with the convention coming up this weekend; I’m sure next week there will be new polls taken, and they’ll reflect all the recent positive press Lamont has gotten just recently.

Bush is just signing the $70B Tax Bill. Everything is hunky dory and
wonderful in this country- didn’t you know.

Rob @ 85, please enlighten us.

If I am right– she looks absotively evil and definately in need of some sunglasses.

whoops, nevermind. my bad.

…recent and recently in one sentence. I’m a graduate of the “School of Redundancy School”.

It is Katharine Harris standing behind Bush–bad stagecraft by the Bushies! She appears to have had a gallon of botox injected into her forehead. Not attractive.

looseheadprop @ 10:36 am (#42) – Haven’t been able to find a good copy of the video yet. Most of the pages I google are the various conspiracy theory sites, none of which I’d trust to leave the film unaltered. CNN seems unwilling to share the URL of the video itself.

Many security cameras have low frame rates compared to normal video or film. This may explain why you can’t see anything. If the plane was traveling at 200+ MPH it wouldn’t be in view for long. Just a brief blur, I suspect, and then an explosion.

Hey Christy,

As a fellow tea lover and an Irish gal myself, I recommend Barry’s tea. My mother used to bring back a suitcase full (along with Paddy’s Irish whiskey) when she returned from her annual trip home. You can find it in many major Supermarkets now though. It makes a stout satisfying cup.

In other news:
(All kinds of hell could break loose this afternoon.)
1. Enron jury is deliberating.
2. Dow is down 200.
3. New Froomkin is up. Haven’t read it yet.
4. Bush and Katherine Harris? Looks like girl knows how to play hardball. “Hi, George! I just found 2,000 misplaced Gore votes from the 2000 election. What do you want me to do with them?”

punaise

linky no worky

Katherine Harris keeps scratching herself–bedbugs at the Watergate? Alas, the meat bikini is not in evidence. Sigh.

Terry in Maryland @76– could it be the plethora of wingnuts in FL as GSD proposed? heh.

really, this trib article sums it up nicely and most is related to the impact of humans:

>>>>>>>>>

Floridians on edge after recent attacks

By Jamie Malernee
Tribune Newspapers: South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Published May 16, 2006

FT. LAUDERDALE — Dry weather has pushed them out of the Everglades and into back-yard canals, where they concentrate in greater numbers.

Mating season has made the males more territorial.

And then there are the people–hundreds moving into Florida each day, who have taken over what was once wildlife territory and, in some cases, are feeding the dangerous reptiles like pets.

All these factors, plus a heavy dose of coincidence, are likely to blame in the recent string of deadly alligator attacks across the state, wildlife biologists said Monday.

There have been three alligator-related fatalities in the past week; before that, there had been only 17 since 1948.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..nworld-hed

GrandmaJ #75

It’s about alienation and the pointlessness of existence in a brutish and spiritually empty universe. You can think of it as a world without horses. Or as the first sitcom.

Is that a mini gator ’round Kathy’s neck?

Bush and that Republican Congress look just like the old Nuremburg Dock photos.

Creepy.

-GSD

Just thanks for being on this.

larry 102 – sorry, it wasn’t meant to be a link – just an imagined web address based on #77. never mind.

Okay, I decided to hunt the Rasmussen poll down. Shoot, weren’t hard. Goggle: rasmussen poll lamont. :)

Lead by Lieberman in primary as of May 5th now down to 20 points.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co…..0April.htm

I prefer Dewar’s White Label tea.

so they are reveling in their economic boom tax cuts as the dow tanks. sweet synchronicity.

Thanks Hugh for the brief overfly of the play. In high school I was absolutely in my own world. The first 10 years of life everyone thought I was ’slow’ or outright retarded. Thats what happens when born late in life to 2 40-somethings and being the one and only.

HOWEVER, my fantasy life was on overdrive. Godot just did not fit well into current mindframe.

that nice Jeralyn lady at TalkLeft is telling folk to come here for the Rove Indictment Watch. That’s so sweet!

New Froomkin …

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html

Re Weicker’s endorsement of Lamont –

Happy Sam Ervin Day, indeed. Weicker was one of the principled Republicans on the Senate Watergate committee willing to hold a Republican adminstration accountable for its actions.

Now (some would say) Weicker’s holding another Republican accountable – Joe Liebermann.

Just to defend Leopold a little bit, 24 business hours means Thursday. Press conference Thursday morning maybe?

I’m all for conspiracy theories. It was one of their bunker busters that hit the Pentagon. Small hole. They wanted to see how well it would work and they wanted to see how tough their new building was. LOL, maybe

Fancy Ceylon Tea here.

when asked when Rove would be indicted, calvin replied, “Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon….”

Bubba to Karl: “Karl, this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.”

Re: The Big Moment:

As I recall, Fitz scheduled a *press conference* for just after his meeting with the Grand Jury when he indicted Scooter. Plus, there were lots of rumors in the air about how many indictments, etc. flying around.

I would not get too excited until we hear that a press conference has been scheduled. Even if he decides not to indict Rove (God forbid) I believe he has said the decision will be very public.

Here’s something to depress and motivate us at the same time– seems world opinion is tanking with respect to the US and Americans– Thanks Dubya et al and the fraidy cats who voted against their own interests in order to follow the non-leader:

>>>>>>>>>

Analysts say America’s image problem is pervasive, deep and perhaps permanent, an inevitable outcome of being the world’s only superpower.

But there is worse news. In the past, while Europeans, Asians and Arabs might have disliked American policies or specific U.S. leaders, they liked and admired Americans themselves.

Polls now show an ominous turn. Majorities around the world think Americans are greedy, violent and rude, and fewer than half in countries like Poland, Spain, Canada, China and Russia think Americans are honest.

“We found a rising antipathy toward Americans,” said Bruce Stokes of the Pew Global Attitudes Project, which interviewed 93,000 people in 50 countries over a four-year span.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/f…..160150.xml

9/11 video at Pentagon website (both), far right under Special Interests:

http://www.defenselink.mil/

It’s not standard video which is why you can only see the nose of the plane entering. It’s less frames per second than actual film so with a plane flying like 200 mph, it’s moving at over 3 miles per minute, which, if my math is right, is about 264 feet per second. The slow film can’t follow the fast plane.

Just like the explosion itself has gaps.

Old Sow #118

It was a UFO attack on the Pentagon in retaliation for the alien autopsies performed at area 51. The attack on the Twin Towers was as we all know Mossad. That the two happened on the same day was just one of those weird coincidences unless . . .?!?

Angie-
I find the majority of Americans to be greedy, violent and rude too.

God, how I love FDL! Thank you for watching CNN so that we don’t have to. How much time does it take for a grand jury to do its indictment thingie? It’s now 2:16 EDT, and they’re talking about something boring on NPR… Enron or whatever. Sigh. Boo. Feeling kind of low today, so I’d love to find out that it’s actually Fitzmas. (I guess Friday would do, though now would be better.)

Sorry I mentioned the f*ing Pentagone (sic) plane. Just kept running into it while looking for Fitz earlier today. Like my dearly departed Dad would say, “I have nothing to say; and you may quote me.”
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Godot – I copy/pasted a segment last Fri. into another board. It’s early on…mentions waiting by a tree…then it’s called a ‘bush’ and then a ’shrub’…caught my fancy. Also, in one of those karmic coincidences, friend and I listened to it on NPR in the mid ’70s. Shortly thereafter, returned home from college for weekend. PBS showed a performance w/Dana Elcar and Ralph Waite by LA Rep or something; outdoors, coulda been Hollywood Bowl? Would love to see the Broadway versiion w/Steve Martin and Robin Williams.

If no Fitz today, Fri will suffice. Bush/Shrub, what’s the difference?
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Irish coffee for me.

I’ve lurked for quite a while – love this blog!

Weighing in on tea – I am a hardcore tea drinker (I don’t drink coffee – gasp- unheard of).

I love me some Barrys tea and Lyons tea – both black put-hair-on-your-chest-and-give-you-the-jitters-too
Irish brand teas. The gold blends of both brands contain both African and Indian gunpowder tea leaves for a real kick in the ass.

Feh – twinnings – mere dishwater in comparison, and don’t even get me started on that lame lipton tea. PG tips is acceptable, but Barrys and Lyons are the best. . .

M

SharonW says:
May 17th, 2006 at 11:19 am

200 mph = 293 1/3 feet per second

Tomorrow would be a good day to announce a Rove indictment, since our fearless leader will be grabbing headlines @ the border – which puts plenty of distance between Rove & Dubya

new thread

We should expect that Rove is making whatever deals and concessions he can in the background to forestall an indictment until after the fall elections.

Also, Fitz might be wary of opening another public forum while still investigating other co-conspirators. Especially while he still has time left in his grand jury. Libby’s case is serving its purpose well to rattle the hornets nest. He’ll exhaust that before moving onto Rove.

new tea bag thread

A couple folks now have interpreted Leopold’s “24 business hours” to mean 3 business days (8 hours per day, times 3). That would mean Fitz is giving Rove until Thursday.

My first impression is that interpreting “24 business hours” in this way is a stretch. Like trying to interpret a “day” in Genesis as some long interval of time; i.e., it’s trying to stretch the words to accommodate observable facts.

Maybe not, though. Can any lawyeresque folks chime in to say whether “business hours” is a common legal term for “8 hour weekdays”?

Also, why would Fitz wait? To allow Rove to flip? To dot his i’s and cross his t’s? To modify the charges?

2:25 PM. Hit refresh. AGAIN…

Christy 25: yay Russian Caravan. A bit of malt, a bit of smoke. I’ve got a pound (from my favourite tea/coffee merchant in Oxford) waiting to be opened. I also have a pound of Yorkshire loose tea, a box of Tetley’s teabags, some Nepali, some Ceylon, and some Lapsang. I suspect I might be British or something. (Tea in the US is too often cheap/nasty or expensive/yuppified.)

This Pentagon video that was released isn’t actually being “released” for the first time. I remember seeing it at leats 2 years ago but I can’t remember where.

Frank; did your Dad (or any eyewitness) positively ID a Boeing 767 hitting the Pentagon ?

Someone should be able to freeze a frame and ID the aircraft. I’m not a “tin foiler”, but I’ve always had “questions” about the Pentagon attack and Flight 93 as well.

…Rove certainly is busy on the Hill going here and there and speechifying…is it always like this?…isn’t he usually in the wh holding bush’s hand?…clearing up a few last minute speeches before the end?

cathy at 117, I was saying the same thing at 71.

Well sort of the same thing. You were defending him, I was mocking the cataclysmic stupidity of the notion. Tomato, tomahto.

At this point, I think it’s safe to say that Rove isn’t going to be indicted today and that we should all go about our business. I know that indictment watch is really eating into the completion of my thesis.

wow, this tea thing is getting long. keep ‘em coming. i’ll post it when i wrestle it into a nice little bullet list.

I can also attest indirectly to there being a plane. I live in Arlington (where the Pentagon is) and know several people who were witnesses to the event. National Airport is very near Pentagon so people living and driving in the area are very used to low flying planes, but the direction and altitude of the plane were enough for many people to look at it before it hit. Within an hour of the attack my stepmother picked up a dazed Pentagon worker who had walked all the way down the highway to Shirlington trying to get home to his wife. He saw it all unfold and seemed confident it was a plane. My stepmother says she will never forget the look on his face. He hadn’t stopped her for a ride and she would normally never pick up a stranger, but he just looked so unique (man in a business suit walking down the 95 ramp) that she knew something was wrong.

Tim 135–even the individual frame takes some amount of time for the CCD elements to acquire the light. So even individual frames are likely to show considerable motion blur at the high speeds (up to 350 mph, which comes out to several hundred fps).

Oh punaise, that’s good. I’ll register it as soon as they open up the “caam” domain. With Microsoft exporting more out of Ireland than out of the US, it won’t be long now.

Re: The Pentagon and the plane.

I am not espousing any conspiracy theory.

When I prep a witness to testify, I tell them that there is a difference between what you know and can testify to and what you believe and should not testify to unless asked for your opinion an specifically designated as your opinion or good faith belief.

What you know, is the information that comes to you from your 5 senses. Not what someone told you. The latter is hearsay.

You beliefs come from a combination of your prior expireience, plus what you rreasoning tells you, plus what you know. Some beliefs, like religious beliefs are simply faith and often are not based on anything that you actually know in the legal sense.

With respect to the Pentagon attack. I know I saw footage of a demaged pentagon on TV. I know I saw pictures of the damage in th epapers. I know I read/heard accounts.

Since I have not actually gone and looked at the building itself, I don’t actually know of my own knowledge if it was ever damaged at all!

Right now I cannot harbor a good faith beilef founded on my examination of these photos, because I do not see in them what I am being told I should be able to see in them.

My question really had to do with what I percieve as a disconnect between what the photos actually depict and what the spinning heads are saying they depict.

Nothing more.

I really thought I ws missing something in the details of the photo and was asking to have it pointed out. From the responding comments, I gather, there was nothing there for me to miss.

I have a fair amount of experience from my prosecutor days with surveillance photos and am well aware of their limitations.

If I were proffering these photos as an exhibit in a trial, i would not have the confidence to describe them as being able to put to rest any conspiracy theories.

Assuming the images are accurate (which I do, actually) they don’t seem to “prove” much of anything other than there was a big fireball explosion at the Pentagon.

clbrune at 133. You are being too gentle. Nobody is even really thinking that hard about what “affairs” he’d need to get in order. How long does it take to post bail?

Leopold’s notion apparently is that Rove got 60+ weekend hours as a heads up for the 24 hours to kick in so that he could tell whoever he needed to that he’d be “out of the office” for the hour or so he needs to post bail.

I mean, when you look at it directly, you can’t stop giggling, it is THAT stupid. That’s why it’s so hilarious to parse the 24 business hours down into 8 hour/day segments.

Sadly, there are those who so badly want to believe what Leopold is writing is true that there is no amount of reason they’ll abandon to make it true for them.

Hey I like tea, too!
http://raginggurrl.blogspot.com/

Have you read about ISPs snooping on us?
http://news.com.com/Congress+m…..ag=st.prev

Worries for Internet providers
One unusual aspect of Sensenbrenner’s legislation–called the Internet Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today’s Youth Act–or Internet Safety Act–is that it’s relatively vague.

Instead of describing exactly what information Internet providers would be required to retain about their users, the Internet Safety Act gives the attorney general broad discretion in drafting regulations. At minimum, the proposal says, user names, physical addresses, Internet Protocol addresses and subscribers’ phone numbers must be retained.

I don’t know why anyone would doubt Rover already is or is going to be indicted, smarmy smile or no smarmy smile.

I’ve seen plenty of people pre and post indictment (on very serious white collar charges) act as if nothing potentially really, really bad was either gonna happen or was happening. My belief is that their equinimity is the result of knowing they committed crimes, and most certainly not the belief that they wouldn’t be indicted or be odds on to be convicted once indicted. Then, there is how organized crime figures act pre and post indictment – not a care in the world.

Why would you imbue how you think you (who I assume are not criminals) would act in Rover’s position to Rover. Remember Delay smiling for his arrest photo? Didn’t do him much good.

If a watched pot never boils, then a watched grand jury never indicts, or something like that. Take a step back and relax in the confidence that Fitz will take him down.

Have to de-lurk, interrupt my never ending vocal warm-up to comment. Morning ya’ll! Christy’s read and seen Godot?……and liked it? Now I know your a goddess! Saw a production of Endgame with the great Micheal Gambon that had me lying awake till 6:00 in the morning I was so engaged, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually etc. Yeah emptywheel, the Irish know how to tell a tale. ( largest understatement…ever )With an Irish ggrandfather maybe the DNA is speaking or something.
Thanks for all the work you do FDL. Hope today is Fitz day……..

To 99 and others on the pentagon crash. This parking lot surveil video has been out there for years with lots of conspiracy theory surrounding it. Suffice it to say that it was real, given eye witness accounts and the 757 wreckage. What this seems to be is a red herring distracting from the real issues of the military’s completely inept response and many of the other “anomolies” of the day. A couple of good ones; how come the terrorist took the plane on a 270 degree turn to hit the only part of a 5 sided building that was mostly vacant and the only one to be recently refurbished and hardened for just such and attack? Don’t get caught up in what they’re throwing at us right now. Dig deeper.

From John Judge 2003,

There is no question that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Remaining agnostic on this point also gives ammunition to the perpetrators of the stand-down and serves to discredit the other good work that continues to be done about the reality of what happened that day. It is my feeling that this thesis was actually part of an intentional disinformation campaign that spreads red herrings to discredit the real findings. “These conspiracy theorists will believe anything” say our detractors. Let’s discover and present the hard facts and force the coincidence theorists to come up with plausible explanations instead of spewing out speculations we cannot back up and leaving ourselves on the defensive.

http://www.ratical.org/ratvill…..77FoF.html

If you want to read more on this issue check out this site which does a great job of outlining the history behind this discourse and some of the seminal research done to support both sides of the debate. http://911research.wtc7.net/es…..ntrap.html

Keep in mind the plane was going 500mph plus and many of the cameras shoot .2fps to 1fps.
What is weird is that the pilot was considered a hack and the move he made to bring the plane in was viewed by controllers as expert, as if it was being flown by a military pilot. Hm.

Thanks for all of the great analysis everyone puts into this site!

Long time lurker and infrequent poster.

Oh, one other thing about the 9/11 stuff along the lines of Fahrenheit, this video (macromedia) was just released. Its an hour and 11minutes and is a pretty decent summary of current problems with the prevailing 9/11 timeline and holes in the explanations. Also some good stuff on Abrahamoff and other interesting ties to the money behind the attacks. Its worth watching. http://crisisinamerica.org/
Its called “everybody’s gotta learn sometime”.

As a lawyer type, I can chime and offer that this “business hours” formulation is a complete crock. I’ve heard and used “business days” to establish a deadline. I think it likely that if the prosecutor wanted to give him time he would have simply said “until close of business next Wednesday” or something along those lines. This “business hours” sounds like an after-the-fact attempt at CYA.

Not saying it’s not gonna happen, just that nobody speaks like this in the legal profession, especially someone as precise as this prosecutor. The expression is just open to too much interpretation, he’d be more precise.

200 mph = 293 1/3 feet per second

LOL! That’s what I get for doing sloppy work. That’s the last time I do a quick estimate.

Thanks.

Okay, Mr. CPA, if the camera records two frames per second and the plane is traveling 200 miles per hour, exactly how much plane will you see directly in front of you?

Yes, I realize to be really accurate we’d need to know the length of land in the camera’s vision, but estimate.

I do tease. At 2 frames per second we’re lucky to have caught the nose.

Frank Probst @ 10:47 am (#70)
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 11:24 am (#128)
SharonW @ 11:19 am (#122)
[and others]

Thanks for the link, SharonW.

The defenselink.mil video looks to be a one-frame per second recording. You can confirm that by noting the passing of the police car at about 1:05 into the first video. In that one second a plane could travel several hundred feet (I’m not sure how fast it was going, but a minimum speed would be 200 MPH, as I speculated earlier). Stephen Parrish, CPA is right about how many FPS that is (293.3 ft/sec – a football field per second, IOW). So, it’s entirely plausible you wouldn’t see the plane in the film. It looks like the nose of the plane appears in one frame off to the right, and in the next frame we see the explosion at the point of impact.

The aircraft that hit the WTC went most of the way through because the towers had a relatively light, open structure on the outside. The Pentagon was built with stone and concrete, and the portion the airplane hit had been reinforced to withstand bomb damage during its recent renovation. The aircraft disintegrated because, in comparison, it was about as solid as an empty Coca Cola can.

nines-14 and JCormac-148
Thanks for the “business hours” clarification. It sounded weird to me.

My mouse-clicking finger is getting raw from hitting refresh.

I’m toying with the idea of committing a federal crime, getting caught, and having Fitzgerald call me to a Grand Jury, so I can grab him by his collar and ask, “WELL?!?!?! Are you INICTING or NOT???”

I think something might be wrong with my timing, though…

You’re welcome cujo. The thing is their video is kinda akin to how a cartoon is made with the exception that a cartoon actually has alot more frames, on average 12 frames (or drawings) per second, which makes the characters appear to move.

With only one frame per second, the plane disappears until the strike.

I am delurking to comment on the alligator situation – I live in north central Florida, and on our local news last night, the perky young female reporter, by way of introduction to her alligator story (we’re about 40 miles from the where the latest victim was attacked), actually said this: “But there’s no reason to panic – you just have to use common sense when swimming with alligators.” Uh huh. The women who’ve been killed were probably too near mating gators (one was snorkeling in a creek which is a stupid thing to do during gator mating season), and given our drout, the creatures are looking for water and so are more active than they would otherwise be.

ON another topic, c’monnnnn, Fitz!!! We’re dyin’ here! This is one of my two favorite blogs (other is DKos), and I thank you guys, Jane, Christy and everyone else, for being so diligent on Plamegate in particular, so the rest of us don’t have to be!

Christy,

Pregnant tips? What kind of tea is that? Personally, it’s Jasmine Downey Pearls or Lapsang Souchong for me. Both available at Peet’s. Lapsang Souchong sticks better to the keyboard when spewed, as often happens here – especially when Darkblack and/or Punaise are around.

Waiting, rather impatiently, for news. Poor Jason Leopold. Wonder what’s going to happen to him. I’ve been reading around about him – GNN article someone linked to (thanks) and others. I read his articles on Enron and the CA energy manipulation a couple of years ago, found most of his scoops later checked out. Hey, as the daughter of a journalist and having been interviewed and misquoted before, I know that reporters don’t always get it right.

Anticipation…is making me crazy.

I feel like Linus in the pumpkin patch. I’m starting to get the sinking feeling that we’ve been snookered. I remain confident that Rove will be indicted eventually, but man did I have my hopes raised by Leopold…

Wayne Madsen speculates that Leopold may have been taken for a ride — that this might be another Rove plot.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

He also provides partial transcript of a court hearing 12/5/06 in which Wells and Fitzgerald debate the merits of showing that Joseph Wilson and Marc Grossman are liars. Fitzgerald says stick to the facts — this is about whether Libby lied, and the court seems to agree with him. As Madsen notes:

“Libby attorney Theodore Wells intends to shift blame to Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Marc Grossman. Today, Fitzgerald and Wells will be back in front of Judge Reggie Walton in pre-trial hearings at the US Courthouse in Washington. Any future trial of Karl Rove will likely follow this same template.”

THE COURT: Are you going to be seeking to introduce any evidence about what Wilson discovered on the trip and what he reported back?

MR. FITZGERALD: No, Your Honor. There will be controversies. But when Mr. Libby says, for example, he didn’t approve forgeries, we won’t disagree. We won’t disagree that Mr. Wilson was not sent by the vice president. What will come up are the conversations where Mr.
Libby says to someone did the vice president send him on the trip and he said no. The vice president asked a question. In response to the question, the CIA sent him on a trip by themselves. He came back. He reported to the CIA and then in May of ‘03 this controversy breaks out. We are not going to dispute the substance. We will dispute that he did talk to people about Wilson’s wife and the relevance will be the conversations, for example, the best one is Mr. Grossman when Mr. Libby asks him what he knows about the trip. Mr. Grossman didn’t know about the trip either. He found out and came back and said, my understanding is that his wife works at the CIA and people are saying she was involved in sending him on the trip which is what he tells Mr. Libby which goes directly to the relevance of whether or not Mr. Libby’s testimony is true. Mr. Grossman separately has a report prepared all about the trip and the substance of it the so-called INR report which Mr. Libby never sees. We don’t intend to offer the INR report. We produce it in discovery. But we are not going down the road of trying the case of whether or not Mr. Wilson is right or Mr. Libby is right or whose view of this. It is simply whether or not Mr. Libby told the truth.

MR. WELLS: Now let’s return to Mr. Grossman. Mr. Grossman is going to take the stand and he’s going to say this is what I did. I asked for a report to be prepared. I met with Mr. Libby and I told him certain things. Now let’s assume I want to show this jury that Mr. Grossman is not being totally truthful, that I want to show, for example, that Mr. Grossman went to college with Mr. Wilson and they were classmates and throughout their careers they traveled together through the State Department and the diplomatic arena from college right on through. I want to give you a sample of just two emails that are classified so you will see the importance of these documents for purposes of discovery and how they may permit me to materially advance my examination of Mr. Grossman and to try to show that he is not being totally candid and that there are relationships that should cause the jurors to doubt what he said to Mr. Libby, when he said it.

The rest of this transcript at Madsen.

MariaSquared @ 81 — I have to agree, even if this new video is something less than edifying. I think I was conditioned over several years living in Greece to chuckle at official versions of events, but really, if that flight didn’t crash into the Pentagon, then what did happen to it? In 2001 I had an apartment in south Arlington with a view of just about everything…which wasn’t much use since I wasn’t in the country when it happened, but my neighbors were, and they all saw and heard an airliner way off the DCA flight path, flying too low and too fast somewhere o’er the cemetery, then an explosion. Even the elderly cranks confirmed this, and I’ve never been able to take seriously the missile idea. A 757 is a long and narrow plane anyway–and if it was American Airlines (right?) then it’s long and narrow AND shiny.
It’s a little scary to find basically sane citizens (and myself) needing hard evidence to rule out the idea that Cheney and Rumsfeld intentionally blew up part of a USG building with a missile. I think one sign you’re living through a Political Anomaly is that almost nothing can be taken for granted. This kinda sucks, no?

Before we get to the tea list here’s the recipe for the “Fitzgerald Hammer of Justice†concocted by Bustedknuckles with a suggestion from Blank Kludge
1 shot 151 rum
1 shot Grenadine
1 shot Crown Royal (: substitute John Jameson’s Irish whiskey for the ‘Crown Royal’…he’s fighting against the monarchy after all.) orange juice to taste served over crushed ice with a pillow on the side.
When you are good and hammered, use the pillow.

FDL TEA DRINKER’S GUIDE

looseheadprop says:
Constant Comment Mandarin Orange Spice gets my vote.
In the winter, Stash Christmas Morning tea is a favorite.
In the summer I make iced tea from rasberry leaf and 4 kinds of mint from my herb garden.

proj says:
Bewley’s

Christy Hardin Smith says:
Twining’s Russian Caravan. That’s my all-time fave. Makes a fabulous pot of tea for an afternoon of reading. :)

Jane S. says:
Chamomile tea

Christy Hardin Smith’s mom’s tea
RUSSIAN TEA
2 c. dry Tang
1 1/4 c. sugar
3/4 c. instant tea
1 tsp. cinnamon
1/2 tsp. ground cloves
Combine all ingredients and store in airtight containers. Use 2 teaspoon of Russian tea mix to one cup of boiling water.

P J Evans says:
I like lapsang souchong as sun tea – much more delicate flavor: the smoke is easier to take. Leaves (leaves.com) has several nice blends also: try ‘Morning Blend’.

susan says:
Barry’s tea..

GrandEd says:
I prefer Dewar’s White Label tea.

Old Sow says:
Fancy Ceylon Tea here.

Mischief says:
Barrys tea and Lyons tea – Irish brand teas. The gold blends of both brands contain both African and Indian gunpowder tea leaves for a real kick in the ass.

pseudonymous in nc says:
Russian Caravan. A bit of malt, a bit of smoke.
Yorkshire loose tea
Nepali, some Ceylon

AND, TO WRAP THE LIST UP:

punaise says:
Police – “Tea In The Saharaâ€

My sisters and i
Have the wish before we die
And it may sound strange
As if our minds are deranged
Please don’t ask us why
Beneath the sheltering sky
We have this strange obsession
You have the means in your possession

Tea in the sahara with you
Tea in the sahara with

add a “you†to the end of post no. 159. i must have nipped it off in the cut and paste of modern life.

Stop, stop, stop stop.

Stop this worthless paranoid Leopold did what he did because he fell into an evil Rove trap BS. I have seen it in lots of places the last few days, and it is INANE.

Yeah, right. Rove eventually is going to be indicted but somehow thinks that if one self-aggrandizing jerkstore like Leopold gets the date wrong, this will somehow Mean Something in the big picture, somehow securing convincing somewhere that sometimes stuff you read on the internets isn’t true. That if Rove is indicted in June or next week, his trapping of one egotistical, admitted plagiarist and non-ethical “reporter” will be the story rather than the indictment itself. And that thus nobody will believe CNN when they run with the story “Rove Indicted.” “No,” people will say, “I already believed that one internet guy once, I won’t believe anything reported on this matter again, anywhere.” And then Rove or Republicans will somehow “win.”

Sorry, nobody is that loopy.

Oh wait you say, what if Rove knows he’s not being indicted at all and THAT’S his game?

Right. Good thinkin’ Tex. After all, Rove would try to get one shady online guy to fall for it rather than any bigger target. First Rather, then Leopold, is that the idea? Please.

tea:

(#1)sen cha (japanese green tea) in loose form (order on line or get at a health food store).

(#2)pai mu tan (chinese white tea) same as above.

these are among the very best in the world for antioxidants. add lemon or orange + honey for taste.

Barry’s or Bewley’s
My wife is Irish what can I say.
Back to twiddling thumbs…

Nines at 161,

I’m not saying I believe this, but it could be that Rove assumed that the Leopold story would snowball through the blogs, and then onto the MSM. He could then discredit the lefty blogs and the MSM, when it came out that he was not indicted after al. l(Oh God, please let this not be the case).

Latest interview with Truthout today:

“It is now 12:39pm on May 17, five days after the publication of Leopold’s article on Truthout. I spoke a few moments ago with William Rivers Pitt who reassured me both that he and Jason were not offended by my Monday article and that they stick by their assertions 100%. I can not tell the entire contents of the conversation as much of it was off the record, but as a result of it, I am going to hold off further speculation until the end of the day on Friday, May 19, or until, how shall I put it, events obviously dictate otherwise. I thank my readers for being patient until then.”

http://www.opednews.com/articl…..t_and_.htm

Tim said:
“Frank; did your Dad (or any eyewitness) positively ID a Boeing 767 hitting the Pentagon ?”

I would imagine that most eyewitnesses (and yes, there are quite a few here in the DC area) didn’t have the time or expertise to accurately identify make and model of the plane. It was probably more of a case of:

“That plane is coming in kind of low for an approach to National…Really low…Oh my God.”

Don’t worry about the stock market. Buy VTSMX or some other good index and relax and watch it grow (a bit more slowly than some, but always up – at least since the Depression, which is pretty good if you ask me).

nines (161):
Thank you! Iv;e been hoping someone would point out the (should be but apparently isn’t) obvious absurdity of a Rove plot to bring down the mighty Leopold! Leopold’s doing a fine job al on his lonesome. and with him, so is truthout(thewindow).com. Good riddance. can we all get back to something productive and let Fitz do his thing in his own sweet time?

jr-
I think the damage from the re-release of the previously leaked pentagon crash video should be seriously considered. I know this story has been discussed somewhat on this site but you should check out what became of this over at DU. I believe the thread was shut down today. Much like our attempts at exposing the racially motivated rants on sites like Redstate and LGFB, I fear that this kind of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory talk is going to look pretty strange to those outside the discourse especially those that lost loved ones on that day. I have to believe that if the powers that be wanted to end any of this “what hit the building” talk, they could do so. Releasing this video seems to be serving alternate goals. I believe this is an attempt to discredit the movement to bring light to missing pieces of the 9/11 commission’s findings. The conspiracy theorists will be conflated with those asking legitimate questions and the whole thing will be discredited and dismissed by the average american.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..4Oct6.html

Peace and all that.

While the subject of tea has been brought up, I recieved for Christmas several types of herb tea made by Celestial Seasonings. One that I highly recommend is called Tension Tamer. It contains eleuthero, peppermint, cinnamon, ginger, chamomile, lemon grass, licorice, catnip, tilia flowers and hops !! Anyone having trouble sleeping should give it a try. The first time I tried it I slept for 12 hours !!

Is the Grand Jury meeting now? Did any cameras catch Fitz yet?
I’ve been holding my breath all day!
Please, Mr Fitzgerald, don’t make America wait any longer!

Ahhh how i yearn for the good old days when right wingers so eagerly accepted Drudge reports such as “Kerry cheats on his wife” or “The president killed a man”..

These days theyve become the most hardened skeptics. It’s an amazing transformation really.

And so, when does Leopold out his sources? If not immediately, then his credibility is zero.

Christy, shhh. Those of us who have discovered PG Tips are supposed to keep quiet about it.

Wouldn’t want a run on the supply, now, and not be able to procure. When I couldn’t find it locally, I went online and ordered a whole bunch from the company (oops, I’m giving away too much here, aren’t I?).

One of my questions about the pentagon crash is how the plane comes in parallel with the ground(as far as I can tell from the video). I know nothing about flying but it seems this would be really tough to do at 350+ mph with such a big plane. I can’t seem to make out what the object actually is, but a straight shot of this type would be more in line with something akin to a TOW missle wouldn’t it?

Here’s the update from Truthout.org
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/

Update on the Rove Indictment Story

By Marc Ash,

Wed May 17th, 2006 at 12:52:48 PM EDT :: Fitzgerald Investigation

For the past few days, we have endured non-stop attacks on our credibility, and we have fought hard to defend our reputation. In addition, we have worked around the clock to provide additional information to our readership. People want to know more about this, and our job is to keep them informed. We take that responsibility seriously.

Here’s what we now know: I spoke personally yesterday with both Rove’s spokesman Mark Corallo and Rove’s attorney Robert Luskin. Both men categorically denied all key points of our recent reporting on this issue. Both said, “Rove is not a target,” “Rove did not inform the White House late last week that he would be indicted,” and “Rove has not been indicted.” Further, both Corallo and Luskin denied Leopold’s account of events at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm that represents Karl Rove. They specifically stated again that no such meeting ever occurred, that Fitzgerald was not there, that Rove was not there, and that a major meeting did not take place. Both men were unequivocal on that point.

We can now report, however, that we have additional, independent sources that refute those denials by Corallo and Luskin. While we had only our own sources to work with in the beginning, additional sources have now come forward and offered corroboration to us.

We have been contacted by at least three reporters from mainstream media – network level organizations – who shared with us off-the-record confirmation and moral support. When we asked why they were not going public with this information, in each case they expressed frustration with superiors who would not allow it.

We also learned the following: The events at the office building that houses the law firm of Patton Boggs were not in fact a very well-guarded secret. Despite denials by Corallo and Luskin, there was intense activity at the office building. In fact, the building was staked out by at least two major network news crews. Further, although Corallo and Luskin are not prepared to talk about what happened in the offices of Patton Boggs, others emerging from the building were, both on background and off-the-record. There were a lot of talkers, and they confirmed our accounts. We do have more information, but want additional confirmation before going public with it.

THE 24 HOUR THING

We reported that Patrick Fitzgerald had, “instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order….” That does not mean that at the end of that 24-hour period, Fitzgerald is obliged to hold a press conference and make an announcement. It just means that he has given Rove a 24-hour formal notification. Fitzgerald is not obliged to make an announcement at any point; he does so at his own discretion, and not if it compromises his case. So we’re all stuck waiting here. Grab some coffee.

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Black Afghan tea with cardomom; add sugar and milk for the comfort version. Mmmm…

Falafel: actually it would be nearly impossible to make the plane dive and hit something with any acuracy.

What you are seeing is a relatively slow descent as the pilot lines up his target. As he hits, he is essentially parallel to the ground. Have you ever landed in a jet?

> That does not mean that at the end of
> that 24-hour period, Fitzgerald is
> obliged to hold a press conference
> and make an announcement. It just means
> that he has given Rove a 24-hour formal
> notification. Fitzgerald is not obliged
> to make an announcement at any point;

So what is the cutoff for a valid prediction? A week? A month? A year? Inaguration Day 2009? Rove’s natural lifespan?

John Dvorak predicted that Apple would convert to Intel chips every three months from _1984_ to 2004. In 2004 Apple converted to Intel chips. Does that mean Dvorak’s prediction was valid?

Cranky

Soooooooo stupid. Yeah, thanks Mark Ash. Thanks for clarifying the 24 hour thing.

This is just dumbassery of the highest order. What “affairs” does Rove need to coordinate to prepare himself to be charged with a crime? Posting bond, right? And that’s it. So Fitz gave him the weekend in order to prep for the beginning of the 24 hour business period beginning Monday to prep for the detail of posting a bond?

Is that what you’re truthing out to us?

Thanks for the Truthout update.

Go FITZ!

Passion Tea – a berry blend – from Tazo, or better yet, a Guinness in honor our Irish hero.

This story gives me a headache. Somebody is lying, but it’s hard to figure a good faith reason for either side to do so. I understand that everyone is now convinced that Jason Leopold is mentally unstable and a liar to boot, but what’s Ash’s excuse? If the original story was false, it would be in his best interests — not to mention Truthout’s best interests — to cut Leopold loose. His support speaks volumes, I think. Unless of course he’s crazy too. As for Luskin and Carollo, why deny imminent indictment?

Well. The only reason I can think of is if Luskin is currently trying to broker a deal with Fitz that his client will accept or to convince Rove to accept the deal he supposedly rejected over the weekend. In this case, lying would only be part of a larger effort to buy his client some time.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Why deny an indictment? A lawyer is not going to admit anything unless, especially in this instance, it is thoroughly vetted and choreographed. Rove is a control freak. He has immense power and while he will accept the lawyer’s advice when pushed, he is going to tell him what to do just like he does with his client, GWB. If indicted, he will keep up the facade of innocence to show his strenghth. There are jurors watching. And he needs to get his website up and running for the defense fund.

I call dibs on Paul McCartney! Have loved him since I was 8 years old, and I’m really glad he’s dumping that young hussy.

Oh. Are we supposed to be talking about politics?

Why deny an indictment?

1) Because by having the story circulating for a few days make it an “old story” by the time it breaks (i.e., soften the blow)

2) If you “authorize leaks” to only liberal bloggers (especially knowing it may take a while to come true), then you make the liberal bloggers look like idiots because they all begin fighting about and questioning the blogger you leaked to.

3) You get the focus OFF of your client and his apparent misdeeds and put the focus ON the blogosphere.

If you don’t believe me, then think about WSJ coverage and really for all of the MSM coverage on this so far – it has all been “Is Leopold lying?” instead of “Is Rove lying?”

Not that one believes a word Leopold has written to date; but if he does not out his sources more or less immediately he will have proven himself as big a liar as Salon suggests he is.

The eagerness with which the Rove indictment was greeted obscured a great deal of the doubtfulness of Leopold’s story and his own ongoing issues with journalistic integrity.

For what it’s worth, another voice in support of Jason Leopold.

I’ll sit tight – just wish the truth, whatever it is, would emerge this year.

“The conspiracy theorists will be conflated with those asking legitimate questions and the whole thing will be discredited and dismissed by the average american.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..4Oct6.html “

conflation/MSM spin/strawman. One more way to prove that left/liberal blogs have zero credibility. Let’s hope Gandhi got it right this time with his ignore/ridicule/fight then you win quote.

Thank you. In BlogWorld, because this is so “late,” I don’t imagine anyone even seeing this.

My little tribute, in case you run across it:

http://jonorato42.wordpress.co…..-indicted/