
Let me start by sending out a huge thank you to everyone who has participated in our latest Roots Project effort to deliver a copy of Crashing the Gate -- by hand and personally -- to every Democrat in the House and Senate. We're still not at our goal, though, so please consider adding a copy to our growing pile. And thanks so much to all the fantastic Roots members who put this project together. Can't say it often enough -- we have some amazing members of this FDL community!
Via Glenn, I read that Arlen Specter has, once again, caved to the Administration and the wingnuts on his committee -- pulling out the one remaining tooth in his NSA spying bill proposed for the Judiciary Committee -- so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the FISA court (according to The Hill). Pathetic.
As Glenn says:
Could anything be more obvious at this point than the fact that the Bush administration deeply fears having the legality of its eavesdropping activities adjudicated by a federal court? They have engaged in one maneuver after the next to prevent that adjudication.One would think that if they really believed that they had the clear-cut legal justification for warrantless eavesdropping which they claim to have, they would be eager to have a court rule on this issue so that this unpleasant controversy -- with all of these mean-spirited and utterly baseless allegations of lawbreaking -- can finally be put to rest. And yet, time and again, they do precisely the opposite: they desperately invoke every available measure to prevent any judicial ruling as to the legality of their behavior.
Without the provision which was originally "demanded" by Sen. Specter, it is basically impossible for any plaintiff to ever challenge the legality of the NSA program. In very general terms, in order to have standing to bring such a suit, a plaintiff would have to prove that they have been specifically injured by the warrantless eavesdropping beyond the injuries of an average citizen. But the program is secret and there have been no investigations into it. As a result, nobody knows whose calls have been intercepted without warrants.
Therefore, any would-be plaintiff would be immediately trapped in the type of preposterous, bureaucratic Catch-22 in which American law specializes and which the Bush administration is eager to exploit -- namely, since nobody knows whose conversations have been eavesdropped on, nobody could ever make the showing necessary to maintain such a lawsuit, and since the administration claims that all such information is highly classified, the evidence necessary to make that showing can never be obtained.
What does this mean to the average person? It means that unless and until we have a Congress that is not controlled by grovelling, fearful Republican Rubber Stamps, there will be no meaningful oversight, no checks and balances, no real government as envisioned by our Founders. What we have, in effect, is an Imperial Presidency and a group of courtiers who work very hard each and every day to please the King.
Bruce Fein and Mickey Edwards have a great editorial on this point in the Philadelphia Inquirer that I wanted to bring to everyone's attention.
If Congress leaves the NSA's warrantless surveillance program unrebuked, the Constitution's checks and balances will be permanently crippled. The theory used by the president to justify the program would equally justify disobeying statutes prohibiting mail openings, burglaries, torture or internment camps in the name of gathering foreign intelligence.Bush claims wartime omnipotence as commander in chief. But the Founding Fathers empowered Congress to regulate war measures to reduce the likelihood of historically documented executive usurpations or overreaching.
Checks and balances are every bit as important to the protection of civil liberties as is the Bill of Rights.
I'm certain that the placement of this editorial is meant to put pressure on Sen. Specter. I just hope they haven't placed too much faith in his ability to actually stand up to the Administration. The report in The Hill puts that faith in a proper perspective right from the start (especially given the fact that the Judiciary Committee has now taken contemplation of NSA issues off the table this week to deal with something that is more important to Rev. Dobson -- ass-kissing 101?).
The Christian Science Monitor does some follow-up on the WH spying on reporters news from yesterday. Turns out that the spying was likely done by the FBI through the use of National Security Letters (NSLs). (For more on NSLs, see our past report on a debate in which Patrick Fitzgerald participated with other lawyers concerning the Patriot Act and other issues, including NSLs.)
William Arkin has more on the differences between the various NSA programs that have been discussed in the media and the FBI's use of NSLs for surveillance.
You know, I don't know all the answers. But I do know that we won't be finding out any of them if Congress just keeps saying, "Whatever you want to do is fine by us, sir. Just keep asking us for more and we'll give it to you, no questions asked." No more rubber stamps. How about some oversight and integrity for a change? Whatever happened to our Constitution, anyway? At what price do we sell our values -- and why so cheaply, for an illusion of safety without retaining the ideals on which our nation was founded -- liberty and justice for all?
(Great photo from a stage production of various Schoolhouse Rock songs. I'm gonna be humming "I'm Just a Bill" all day now... Photo credit goes to George Paul Glanzman.)
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Judith Miller is back on the WMD beat for the WSJ. Disgusting.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110008381
Fitz!
Fitz! I think I missed it.
xyz
You can’t keep a good whore down. And in Judy’s case the call of the aspens is just too strong.
EPU’d from previous thread…
Reading Froomkin on the border dis-order crap Bush is trying to distract people with. I am struck by the stark fear of combined threats held over the head of American citizenry.
The U.S. now has the military being used internally to ‘manage’ civilian population, very public cases of warrantless search, seizure and detainment, add that to the NSA wiretapping scandal, and the haliburton ‘concentration camps’ being built inside the U.S.
Its almost as though an 911 was the launch of an ‘information war’ conducted ‘inside the U.S.’ against its American citizens.
Looking at things in this context, the media is not a ‘watchdog, but a gov’t ‘owned’ instrument of social control.
Which of course raises the question, what forces are the gov’t establishment so afraid of that they are having to resort to such stark scare tactics.
Could it be that the leaders of a nation founded on principles of revolution, are afraid of another revolution ?
darn - EPU’d all over myself:
long blurb at Salon.com:
Karl Rove, Jason Leopold and the hunt for the truth
We don’t know whether Karl Rove will be indicted today, tomorrow, later this week or never. But we do understand that there’s a distinction between Truthout’s Jason Leopold and the bloggers who’ve been writing about him, and that gives us at least one leg up on the folks at the Wall Street Journal.
…
Just two problems here: Leopold isn’t reporting on Plamegate as a blogger, and the blogosphere — or at least the part of it we respect — hasn’t taken anything like a “let’s see if this holds up†approach to his latest report. While some liberal bloggers jumped immediately on Leopold’s Rove “scoop†Saturday, many others looked at the story through more cautious eyes…
Rubber stamp Arlen Spector is just beggin’ for a blog beating if not a dump of rubber stamps inside his office door….I’m just saying we need more Dick Tuck tactics in these otherwise grim, humorless Washington, D.C. times.
I know better than to bring up Leopold here–anyway I stopped believing him a long time ago. But then I heard rational people saying something about hearing about the indictment soon: WaPo’s Edsall and Larry Johnson who claims Joe Wilson heard something. But people were watching the court house on Friday and my understanding was that the GJ didn’t meet. Christy, is this just blogosphere hysteria?
Don’t you just love Specter? How many times has he grabbed headlines promising investigations, only to castrate them when the press runs off to cover the theft of Paris Hilton’s Mother’s Day gifts. I’ve lost count.
Anne Holliday at 7 — We’ve already given Arlen his stamps. He was our first recipient.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....goes-live/
And I can’t think of anyone more deserving at the moment. I’m just fuming.
Remember, this is the paper the endorsed Specter.
Always with the Buyer’s Remorse…
Specter must just speak out every time he wants more money in his Swiss bank account. He calls for hearings, Rove or someone runs over with a bag of money and he then says: “N’mind” or “Just foolin’.”
Or maybe they have pictures of him engaging in unspeakable acts with little boys or farm aminals or something.
How about our next action is against him specifically for rolling over?
Can we give him a label: Bush’s bitch? Something catchy that can catch on like Savage Love’s “Santorum.”
Arlen has a history of playing the paper tiger, I think its one of his strongest traits, he’s a convenient opponent for criminally inclined politicians.
I was at the Judiciary Committee Censure Hearing (and asked Sen. Russ a stupid question afterward that we won’t go into here) and it turned out to be a bit of a charade because Sen. Specter and Sen. Lindsey Graham effectively turned it into a discussion of their respective legislative proposals that would bring the program(s) under some kind of legislative or judicial oversight. This was, of course, NOT the point of the censure motion or the hearing but it was an effective technique to turn the debate away from whether or not there was an appropriate response to past illegal action by the president toward a discussion of future action by congress. Classic Specter (and Graham). These guys are not stupid. I would not say that about Jeff Sessions, for example. By talking tough and making “alternative” proposals, they legitimize the president’s actions while they criticize them. This legitimatization technique is actually very effective and nefarious because it frames the debate around “how we will make the president’s actions legal” instead of “how we will deal with a president who considers himself above the law”. Do Specter and Graham still think that they are part of the “Party of Lincoln”, or do they not actually realize that they are two of the cornerstones of support for a party that is operating a criminal enterprise from inside the White House? I don’t know, and I’m not a Pennsylvanian or Carolinian. Anyone out there who is one of their constituents who would like to try to pose this question to them?
peace,
jim
Whenever examining an event, such as 9/11, I like to ask the question: Who benefits? The answer is crystal clear.
Gee, ya think Jack Cafferty will go on CNN today and say “ok, we’re officially a dictatorship”, now that his white knight Arlen has let him down?
Ah, tokorode, you beat me to it, ditto on that, I hope Cafferty responds.
remember Cafferty said “we’d better hope nothing happens to Arlen Specter…” Maybe Jack can call Specter’s office to ask what “happened” to him.
“civil disobedience is a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt…….”
what say ye?
I just have to wonder again, why in the world is he bending over yet again for such an unpopular administration?
Is he terribly worried that the lack of oversight will be exposed for what it is and was? A complete sellout of our rights and liberties to the fear mongering of the “post 9/11 world” and this maladministration. Will the cat be way too difficult to put back in the bag once it is let loose? Will the curtain just fall away completely?
Who is it that keeps getting to Specter right before the other shoe drops? Herr Von Cornyn? Patsy Roberts? Cheney? Hadley? Or is he really just that much of a spineless worm? I’ve known quite a few cancer survivors in my time (my mother comes to mind), and the one thing they all have in common is the renewed vigor for living life on their own terms, and not taking any bullshit. Because they figure if they can beat cancer, they can beat anything.
What’s Specter’s sorry excuse?
For those in and around Seattle, Russ Feingold is going to be hosting a Democratic rally (free event) at 12:30 pm Saturday at Whittier Elementary on 75th and 16th in good old Ballard. Please be there. While it’s free, you need to register with the Wa State Dems in advance so they can know how many are coming. I live close by and will be there. Hopefully we can ask some questions. If so, I plan on focusing on the spying issues, and getting him to tell us what the hell is wrong with Specter. If it wasn’t for Feingold, the Intelligence Committee would ALL be rubber stampers, including Biden, and Di-Fi.
Just when I think I can’t possibly feel any more disgusted with Congress, they add fuel to the fire.
And I ordered CTG for my erstwhile Senator Cantwell. #496957
Not sure I agree fahrender.
I think a lawless or corrupt state cannot be altered or abated by violence but must be allowed to run its virulent course, like a disease.
Maybe the good people of Pennsylvania should be looking into impeachment for Specter.
Specter, Specter,
rhymes with Lecter….
you add your own punchline.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
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Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:
1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.
Help out!!!
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I don’t get Specter AT ALL. If this man was not afraid to battle cancer, for God’s sake, why is he caving to a paper tiger like Bush, who is himself starting to resemble that Pigpen character from the Charlie Brown cartoons?
Why can’t Specter frame his quest for truth and accountability as standing up for the Constitution he swore to defend? Why can’t he answer the rubber stampers by saying this is not about party politics, but about the country?
Why are these people so hell-bent on making it easier for this administration - and future administrations - to have a virtual blank check when it comes to the collection of intelligence and surveillance of Americans?
If this Republican Congress would be successful in changing the law, what are the chances a Democratic majority could undo it in the next Congress? Is there across-the-board GOP support for the changes, and would any Democrats also vote for it?
Nothing but questions - sorry!
Arlen Sphincter, cheeky fellow
the little coward, weasel prick Specter’s office has been a busy line for the past three hours…you’re not going to get away that easy you filthy Rethuglican enabling Senator? Senator my ass…
I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti…
Hannibal Lecter
BellSouth Denies It Gave NSA Call Data
ATLANTA (AP) — A day after denying that it provided bulk customer calling data to the National Security Agency, BellSouth Corp. said Tuesday it would never give any government agency such information without a subpoena or court order.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060516......html?.v=6
Christy, the name of the Philly paper is The Philadelphia Inquirer.
‘When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary …’
‘We, the People of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure democracy …’
I’m beginning to think that far too many people in DC either flunked American history, civics, and government classes every time they took them, or were so busy with their junior-politician stuff that they slept through or cut said classes, since they obviously are unfamiliar with the founding documents of this country. (I don’t know about the rest of you, but my [deceased and not particularly lamented] eighth grade teacher had us memorize the preamble. And we had a long test on the rest of it also.)
Sophist (#22):
Civil disobedience is civil, not violent. It is taking action which is non-violent. It is saying “No.” to the lawless, corrupt state. The quote is from Ghandi. Martin Luther King Jr. and Ghandi are the exemplars of this idea.
touche’ punaise!
Arlen SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion (S.P.E.C.T.R.E.)Lousy Creep.
Hugh 4, she never did disentangle herself from those roots.
Interesting quote I just came across: “Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit.”
-Edward R. Murrow
Though I’m not sure this administration feels sorry for the truth, so much as it feels sorry for itself.
oy
wasnt cafferrty just “O-PINING” about how we had to rely on Specter?
Thanks for another great effort. I have gone to the CTG site and bought a copy to be added to the pile. Hope many more will also. It’s a bit of a stretch for this old retired Carolina guy but Hey! good job. Autograph mine to Lindsay Graham from “Pissed Off in Greenville” LOL Keep up the good work FDL I loved the Rubber Stamp action and many on my regular rant mail list participated. Hope they will also participate in this.
He made a Spectercle of himself.
“so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the FISA court”
when speaking w/ less informed friends, family & neighbors
simply replace “FISA” w/-
so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the Superior court
so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the Criminal court
so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the Appeals court
so that there will now be no real, independent oversight whatsoever by the Supreme court
the law is the law is the law, a court is a court, is a court Senator Sceptre !
Arlen Specter isn’t caving. This was as predictable as every other instance over the last several years in which we looked to the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee to step up and do the job of oversight, he hasn’t taken a stand against this administration once (with the possible exception of stem cell research…ahem). Arlen’s their guy, and expecting him to hold his fellow club members to account equates to self-indictment. Fuck Arlen Specter.
I just don’t want to replace a Republican Rubber Stamp Congress with a Democratic Rubber Stamp Congress.
BTW, it’s primary day in Pennsylvania. If you live there and you don’t like what’s going on, find progressive candidates to support, like Chuck Pennacchio, and vote.
Specter’s announcement brings back the recurring sense of acute loss that I have experienced since the Supreme Court invalidated the 2000 election. One tries to forget, to immerse oneself in work and writing, and in conversation with like-minded souls, but the loss is there — it is like the death of a near one, or the loss of a lover. After a while we get used to the loss of our liberties, but the first take is pure anguish. What is it about Specter, once a decent enough man, that has led him to violate his oath to defend the Constitution? What exactly does he fear? Or has he simply become weak-minded with age?
Philadelphia Ink Wirer
Ah, in that case fahrender I take no exception to your earlier quote. I don’t believe that the kind of evil ignorant incompetence so frequently in evidence today should not be resisted. But the manner of that resistence, is important, as is the idea of obedience, even to unjust authority.
This is in my mind one of the key messages of Christianity, Jesus saying to Pilate, “You would have no power over me at all…”, and “being one with God, he did not deem equality with God as something to be grasped at, but rather he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, even unto death.”
There is a message about passive resistance even at great price, that Ghandi understood well. The unfortunate thing about passive resistence is that it means that the malevolent assh*les are still going to crucify people, but that they will eventually be undone by their own evil scheming.
Pardon my religious references, they are a significant part of my literary repertoire and useful in making a point.
tom - chicago: How about our next action is against him specifically for rolling over?
We could deliver a bunch of beach balls. Or a bunch of stuffed dogs, if we could find some that were lying on their backs.
PJ Evans 31, I didn’t even have to take civics - nothing until one semester of Government in my senior year of high school. One of the things I would do if I were Queen of the Universe for a day would be to completely reform the way civics is taught in our schools. Start it in elementary school and keep reinforcing it. Six months before you reach voting age is way too late to be teaching kids about citizenship.
Cozumel,
it all depends on what your definition of existing is
(their denial includes “no existing contracts”)
JFK wrote (with or w/o Ted Sorenson’s help or ghosting) Profiles in Courage. I think it’s time for the sequel. Profiles in Spinelessness.
But let’s don’t forget (and I KNOW no-one is forgetting) this quivering hunk of foetal jelly is the odious man that gave us Clarence Thomas by savaging Anita Hill in the worst manner. In my mind, that -in and of itself- makes him a party stooge of the first order.
He’s like a plane that can’t fly or a dodo bird. He keeps looking like he’s about to lift off toward a redemption of sorts but can never get more than a few inches off the ground. Maybe given the amount of time that he’s spent crawling at his masters’ feet, it just feels more comfortable borrowing into that good earth.
Sorry for the rant. The guy sickens me. Maybe more so because with him, there’s a sense of absolute betrayal and hypocricy. Maybe he sickens himself. Whatever. Yeccchhh.
Doesn’t it seem like the domestic NSA program would be used in conjunction with the FBI’s NSA letters? If so, Arkin’s assurances that the programs are “different” are worthless.
Per Arkin, the government can use the NSA program to identify “individuals who may be involved in terrorist activity through their calling patterns.” Then the government can issue a NSA letter under the Patriot Act to get the phone records. These two programs, taken together, are the functional equivalent of the warrantless surveillance of international calls. In both cases, the government gets all the information it wants without any of the checks and balances built into our constitutional framework.
In the domestic case at least, this should be unconstitutional, regardless of what the Supreme Court says presently. Generally, the Fourth Amendment requires a warrant. The warrant requirement is a “check and balance” because a judge has to sign off on the search. But with a national security exception this large — where the government merely needs to assert national security reasons to evade the warrant requirement — the exception swallows the rule. Under this understanding of the Fourth Amendment, the government can evade the warrant requirement in every case merely by saying “abracadabra” — err, “national security.” The protections of the Fourth Amendment are no protection at all under such a system.
Nice Dru!
You know, I could tolerate him as a “moderate rethuglican” much more before he took over the chairmanship from Hatchett. At least you always knew Orrin would be on the dark side– no suprises possible there that he would side with the Constitution. Now we have SPECTRE and he pretends all kinds of righteous indignation and then retires to his corner in the Oval whimpering like a WATB and comes out smoothing the way for further illegality.
Oh, if only Leahy was chairman again…
OT - What are people’s thoughts regarding the VA Democratic primary? I know Webb is running against Miller. Webb is a former marine and rep who worked for Reagan I know. Don’t know much on Miller. Virginia is so redstate, I’m tempted to think that despite his background Webb is be the best alternative to Allen - at least he on the record against the war. Any thoughts?
In the top of the hour headline, the NPR reporter said that “Bush denies that they are listening in on Americans phone calls.”
I switched over to music before Bush’s voice polluted my ears, but I wonder what other weasel words he used in this non-denial confirmation?
Leslie: We got, as I recall (this is 60’s CA):
4th grade: state history/geography
5th: US history/geography (the really basic stuff)
6th: Western hemisphere
7th: world (basic)
8th: US history (more advanced) and government (basic)
9th: world geography and ’state requirements’
10th: world history (more advanced; I had a teacher who’d been to China and Korea)
11th: US history
12th: civics and US government
No options either: these were all required.
Knut @ 42
“What is it about Specter, once a
decent enough man, that has led him to violate his oath to defend the Constitution? “
Many feel there is a definite connection btw his current cowardice and the threat to his Chairmanship (indirectly by Rovespierre) just after the last election - important to remember History has turned on the ego and vanity of small men over and over ad nauseum
Cozumel 29 -
As a Bellsouth customer, my response to the company’s statements is:
“And how would we ever know if you are lying?”
I only have one thing to say, B*ll Sh*t. The next Grass Roots Project should be to send everyone of the House and Senate a Nazi Iron Cross so they could remove the Flag pin they wear on their collars and replace it with the Iron Cross because thats where their loyalties lie.
Nothing put a bunch of Fascists running our country now. I think all is truly lost and this is now a Theocratic Fascists Country.
Report from this morning on the gym treadmill, two giant plasmas next to each other, one tuned to Fox, the other to CNN:
1) Fox news ran at least 70% of the 50 minutes I was running on the release of the Pentagon 9/11 tapes. We were treated to slow-mo footage of the fireball, of the fire, of the smoking remains, of the damage; repeated over and over. Various talking heads commented on the danger and the threat that still exists. Once photo insert of Hayden popped up, though I can’t be shure why. Protecting us in this time of danger? Whatever. The clear point was to remind us all that the world is a dangerous place and we need to support whatever Bush decides he needs to do to protect us…
Meanwhile CNN was bouncing back and forth on all fronts, though they did manage to get in a shot of the burning trade towers once. But the difference was remarkable—CNN next to FOX, normal world compared to danger world.
2) My daughter told me today that with all the fog were getting these days in SoCal, that the dementors must be breeding. Sorry, Harry Potter reference. But I think she’s right (Dementors suck your soul…)
Well, now America will be mesmerized by the Pentagon video… let’s rip the scab off again so nobody ever forgets we are in an endless war… the Moussaoui trial being over and now time to roll out the videotape.
the other stories:
Immigration, Florida gators, Duke lacrosse…
We need to get these old played out men off the floor of the Senate. Arlen Specter is like running Windows 1.0……….
“………When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
How many congresscritters except Feingold, Harlan and Boxer remember this essential aspect of the basic principles on which America was founded?
sorry for being in the “quote mode” again today but, it seems so pertinent to this moment in time.
Cafferty’s announced questions for today are:
Cafferty File
Jack Cafferty sounds off on the stories crossing his radar. Write in to answer Jack’s hourly questions, and watch to see if he reads your response.
4 p.m.: Karl Rove says the Iraq war is to blame for President Bush’s low poll numbers. Is it?
5 p.m.: Should the Mexican government have anything to say about U.S. immigration policy?
7 p.m.: Should the Federal Communications Commission investigate phone companies allegedly involved in the NSA program?
Looks like 7Pm is our slot - here’s where to email your answer and include a suggestion that Jack call Spector and ask what happened:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5t.html
Specter, another tool in the oppressors box.
-GSD
“If Congress leaves the NSA’s warrantless surveillance program unrebuked, the Constitution’s checks and balances will be permanently crippled. The theory used by the president to justify the program would equally justify disobeying statutes prohibiting mail openings, burglaries, torture or internment camps in the name of gathering foreign intelligence..”
I don’t think it’s possible to overstate the danger here. Maybe it’s too late. I hope not.
Leslie - reform of civics education is paramount. Here in Seattle the LWV is pushing for for mandatory inclusion of civics into the schools, because it’s being thrown aside along with all the arts, due to No Child Left Behind and the WASL testing. There are lots of avenues for getting involved in that issue.
Talk about a 50-state strategy.
When I was growing up civics was highlighted in 5th grade, but we had history every single year from 3rd grade up to 12th. And growing up in California in the 60’s and 70’s I was lucky enough to have teachers who were more than conversant on the subject. Hard to believe now, but there was actually a time when LA Unified was a school district to be respected.
At the 1963 Commencement ceremonies at the American University in DC, President John Kennedy spoke about “the most important topic on earth: world peace.” This was as the Cold War was, if not at its absolute coldest, still pretty damn cold - less than two years after the Cuban Missle crisis and the erection of the Berlin Wall.
Some is quite specific to 1963, like references to creating a direct line between Moscow and DC to avoid misunderstandings in times of crises - the “hot line”. But replace “the Soviet Union” and “communism” with “Osama bin Laden” or “radical Islamists” or some similar phrase, and much of his address could be given again at this year’s commencement.
Among the best lines were those that contrast two different pursuits. Peace, said JFK, is “the necessary rational end of rational men [sic]. I realize that the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war - and frequently the words of the pursuer fall on deaf ears. But we have no more urgent task.”
Well, maybe that line couldn’t be used, at least by the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. We know which pursuit Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney prefer . . .
Back to JFK: “We can seek a relaxation of tensions without relaxing our guard. And, for our part, we do not need to use threats to prove that we are resolute. . . . We are unwilling to impose our system on any unwilling people - but we are willing and able to engage in peaceful competition with any people on earth.”
OK, maybe not that line either. Let’s try again: “It is the responsibility of the Executive Branch at all levels of government - local, state, and national - to provide and protect that freedom for all of our citizens by all means within their authority. It is the responsibility of the Legislative Brach at all levels, wherever that authority is not now adequate, to make it adequate. And it is the responsibility of all citizens in all sections of this country to respect the rights of all others and to respect the law of the land.”
No, I guess this whole speech does come from another era after all. This is the age when the Executive seizes authority it does not have, when the Legislative Branch abdicates that which it possesses without a peep, and when the government itself direspects the law of the land through searches without warrants, illegal detainment practices, and disregard for signed treaty obligations.
Kennedy concluded, “The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of Americans has already had enough — more than enough — of war and hate and oppression. We shall be prepared if others wish it. We shall be alert to try and stop it. But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just. We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success. Confident and unafraid, we labor on — not toward a strategy of annihilation but toward a strategy of peace.”
That’s the kind of strategic thinking I’m looking for from my elected officials. November 2006: a Strategy of Peace.
To me, this is the money quote from the Philadelphia Inquirer article:
I tend to see things from a technical perspective, rather than a legal one. From that perspective, theauthors of the articel have coaptured both the essence of the legal problem with how the NSA surveillance programs have been administered and and the technical one. Without independent oversight, it is both impossible to judge whether the rights of individual people have been violated, and it is also difficult, if not impossible, to judge the efficacy of the programs for the purpose they were allegedly started to serve.
Now, if this were a typical forum, someone would doubtless trot out the old strawman that we can’t allow the enemy to know what it is we’re doing. I’m not suggesting full disclosure, at least not until there is some reasonable review by cleared people who are competent to judge the legal, operational, and technical aspects of these programs. If they are found to be illegal, then at least some aspects of them may have to be publicized. Unfortunately, as we learned thanks to the DoJ’s OPR (?) lawyers not being granted clearances, this is not happening, either.
I dislike government secrecy for all of these reasons. Not only is it possible to cover up government malfeasanec this way, it is also a good way of hiding government incomptence, and it makes honest review of government policies and processes difficult or impossible.
Great piece Redd! Loved it.
This is a momentous issue in my opinion. Congress needs to stand up- or they will have permanently ceded authority to the executive branch- and they are bending over begging for more. Assholes!
I think the censure resolution does more harm than help. It will never be passed- and it draws attention away from the real issue- congress needs to do a thorough investigation into what the hell is going on and stop it permanently if it is illegal- which it appears to be. Nothing else is meaningful. A censure while keeping the practice in place would be a joke. Dems need to keep their eyes on the ball now.
shoephone @ 11:55 am (#63) - When I was growing up in Pennsylvania, we had a similar cirriculum. Not too long ago, I was discussing what my neices were taking at the same schools I went to when I was their age, and it appears that they are getting less instruction in just about every subject, not just social science. Apparently, nowadays they want everyone to learn the same thing, so the children who are smart enough to learn more only learn what the slowest do. Even though they need more education than I and my siblings got, my nieces will get less. So much for “No Child Left Behind”, and all the other grand ideas of the last two decades.
Thanks Christy #10 - mon dieu, can’t believe I missed that glorious day - almost inexcusable but I was offline at the time chasing the neglected story of AT&T’s ongoing co-opting of our golden state’s democratic leadership - so little time so much to do. Aghhhh!
The video link simply icing on the cake and made this embarrassed old newspaper brat’s day, second only to the patience of Christy and fellow FDL devotees.
Peterr #64 - reading Kennedy’s words now just makes me cry - for us, for our nation, for the loss of the great promise of peace, fickle though it is, and for the way these criminals in the administration have dragged our Constitution through their own raw sewage and left it lying by the side of the road like an abandoned child.
PJ Evans, my studies in CA’s public schools overlap yours for 4th and 5th grades; in 7th and 8th grades we had “social studies,” which involved some U.S. history, but nothing advanced. Also had U.S. History in 11th and (as previously mentioned) Government in 12th, but again - basic, not advanced. Education lite. Everything else you describe was optional, if it was even offered.
cujo359 #65
You got it dead-center. The excuse that ANY disclosure or independent review will enable the enemy to determine our methods is SUCH crap
(and probably DOES in fact serve to mask rampant incompetence), but they will full-court press the argument nonethless. Until the Supreme Court stops them. Absent that, it’s effectively Game Over for our traditional constitiutional system.
I was 8 years old when the Warren Commission issued its report of JFK assassination and the infamous “Magic Bullett” concocted by Mr. Specter - and told the our teacher, a nun, that the story was total BS - 41 years after that knuckle wrap it amazes me that Arlen is still full of it
cujo359 - What BobbyG said.
“Demoralized” is my word for the day.
ot but what was the ID card deal that W proposed - I’m not getting it - are we about the get universal ID cards or are they just given out to immigrants (how do they decide who gets one?)
BobbyG @ 12:05 pm (#71) - I recognize that there are times when disclosing methods, as well as sources, can be harmful to our ability to gather intelligence. For an example, one need look no further than the Bush Administration’s bragging about how we were able to listen in on Al Qaeda’s cell phones. Well, it took Al Qaeda about a week to figure out how to get around that little problem.
Still, secrecy adds so much inefficiency and oppurtunity for misadventure that it should, IMHO, only be used when it’s absolutely necessary. When human lives aren’t immediately at stake, I want the government to err on the side of openness.
Isn’t there a hearing today in the Libby case?
Is Fitz in DC?
enough of the leopold crap already. if the friggin story is true, we’ll know soon enough. like i speculated when the whining first began, if it’s wrong it would be exhibit ‘a’ to use against bloggers in the growing effort to neutralize the net. and lo and behold, look what the wsj printed today.
re the national security state: the gutless assholes who comprise the congress aren’t the only ones intimidated into silence. take a look at the comments from the wapo online chat with shalaigh murray: .
Washington, D.C.: So in the wake of the ABC story that the NSA is tracking reporters’ calling records, are you guys sweeping the place for bugs and getting disposable cell phones?
Shailagh Murray: Sweeping the Post newsroom for dust should be a more urgent priority. But, now they know…my kids call me every later afternoon, and now and then my parents check in, and old friends…and, well, I guess I’m busted.
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Washington, D.C.: I find you comment about the NSA finding out that your kids call to be a bit unnerving. Not their calling you, which is nice, but your “oh well” attitude to being subject to invasions of your privacy as a reporter.
The lack of outrage is shocking.
Shailagh Murray: What am I supposed to say? Why should it bother me any more or less that the NSA has MY phone records, than some random Arab student? Of course it’s crazy that they’re collecting reporters’ phone records, and I assume that if it’s true, news organizations will respond accordingly. I will say it’s a pretty dumb strategy for trying to correct a leak problem — this is the blackberry age.
But at least now I know why my phone goes dead when I’m driving by the NSA on the BWI Parkway.
#74, initially for immigrants. To practice and mainstream the useage. They been trying to get a national ID card for years. Gettin closer everyday.
siun @74– it’s a super-duper version of the legal alien card… i guess the illegals come forward and ask for it… yeah, that’s the ticket.
Peterr at 64.
Stirring and inspiring stuff, I couldn’t resist breathing an ‘amen’ after that last quote from Kennedy. “We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success.”
Then I recall that this man was murdered, in broad daylight, with his wife beside him, and has since been smeared repeatedly by assorted ‘biographers’, doubtless with no agendas of their own.
I was born late in the sixties, and Kennedy did not resonate for me the way he has for some. But it is clear that there was a great deal of wrong-doing that occurred around the time of his death, and that those events signaled the rise of a criminality in gov’t, and seemed to be the opening act for the various Nixon age political disciples who are currently in power.
There yah go, Dadhusker at 72 had it, the ‘Warren Commission’, another instance where Arlen Specter demonstrated his ‘loyalties’.
Rat says:
May 16th, 2006 at 11:35 am
All of these arguments were made online before the PA passed and before it’s subsequent renewals and upgrades. “Debate” took place, concessions and compromises were made and a signing statement was attached.
They have been paving the road for a long time. When you step back and look at the big picture; tis hard to sleep.
BTW -
Is Today Fitzmas Eve?
The new card will have bi-o-met-trix-s. Retinal scanning and dna next; brace yerselves!
Thank you Peterr for the inspirational JFK quotes. Unbelievable! What kind of a madman would stand up and advocate for peace in a time of such prolific danger and international uncertainty? A great President that’s who. Helps to explain why so many Irish Catholic households in Greater Boston while I was growing up had a framed picture of JFK prominently displayed…bet many of them still do.
bkny @ 12:15 pm (#77) - I don’t know this, but I suspect that the reason your cell phone doesn’t work as you’re driving past the NSA HQ is that cell phones are being jammed. They’re a security problem at the best of times, and since just about everything past the lobby at the NSA would be a secret zone (open storage area in DoD parlance), there is almost certainly no place in that complex where you’d be allowed to use a cell phone, anyway.
so …if I were an employer - and I’m already suppsed to check soc sec cards, with the superduper id card, I would pick out *who* to ask for a superduper alien card too? it you *look like a green card holder* - if not, no request for the card? every employer expected to somehow suss out who needs one and who doesn’t?
about as logical as the 300,000 national guard troops needed for the border
New Thread on Jack Cafferty
If it’s already illegal to hire an illegal immigrant but employers do it anyway, why would a national ID card make any difference?
The RealID is scheduled to go into effect in 2008 for all U.S. citizens. This act passed in ‘05.
siun @ 12:23 pm (#86) - Most employers know they’re hiring illegal immigrants, and they don’t need an ID card to figure that out. The few that don’t probably aren’t hiring that many, anyhow. I’m all for a clear path to legality, but the idea that we need anything other than a green card and a document trail is ridiculous.
siun, and since we a “nation of immigrants” it’s gonna be doubly tough to suss who to ask… and then we have all those pesky anti- discrimination laws to for employers. I have a feeling the superduper illegal alien card will be brown…;(
strike the 2nd ‘to’ in that last post of mine.
oh, lordy, so many typos, so little time…
Between the soaring Himalayan peaks of spectacular terrorism ( the weapon of the weak ) and the vast fertile teeming floodplains of pacifism, ( the force more powerful ) lie the variegated and diverse terrains of the threat.
The threat as used by most people can be a radical tactic of extreme civil disobedience.
Ghandi went to the sea and so we can go to the net and make salt for these fascist’s. We can stand up and stand behind our words and block that vast war machine that is destroying the world.
The threat can even function as a Distributed denial of service attack in large enough numbers.
In Bushworld the joke may be taken as a threat - I think some poor SOB is in jail right now for saying that God would speak through a burning bush. The threat for lack of a better word is good - the threat works and expresses the finest ideals of the evolutionary spirit.
The threat is not for everyone but fits under diversity-of-tactics doctrine and is not disproportianate at this stage imho.
It appears to be a measured response to the great danger and threat posed by this regime.
Any grave threat to the environment demands a measured response - thats my response. Please, I beg youse…unite with me in diversity and strike this rabble down in unison.
The 28th is a critical date - the Columbian election. Is that to soon for a DDos attack on the Secret Service?
I’m game if you are. Stay anonymous if your worried and use multi proxies. The revolution already has too many martyr’s.
Has anyone asked Specter how he envisages getting a case before the FISC under his proposal? Is there ever an instance where FISC proceedings are adversarial?
If this does become law, would Nelson, the attorney in Portland who claims to have a document (Mystery Document In Wiretap Suit Sent To Seattle For Safekeeping) showing NSA spying on his clients & self, be the sole person in the country to have standing?
All,
I’ve posted here and a couple other blogs about the building block techniques the NSA is using to conduct its surveillance. The “how” of what they’re doing is fun and all in a technical sense, but apparently I shouldn’t have taken a general understanding of the “why” for granted.
The main value of such a system is obviously not to catch a few Al-Qaeda members. It’s too small and unexceptional a data subset you’re looking for, and enlarging the data pool only makes it harder–if you’re looking for a needle in a haystack, you don’t start by making the haystack ten times bigger. That’s stupid, and that’s what they’ve done. The main value in a wide data sweep lies in the ability to monitor, recognize, predict, and silence political enemies.
Why is this having such a hard time sinking in? I really don’t get it. It seems completely obvious. If you wanted to entrench your position of power, wouldn’t you want to spy on any corruptible body that stood on your way? It’s not like this wasn’t done all through the last century by every non-liberal state apparatus…now there’s a less labor-intensive way to do it. It’s not meant to spy on Al-Qaeda, you who are still in any doubt; it was built to spy on dissent.
I must agree with my namesake (Marc Lord), who may be a long lost relative of mine. It’s just ridiculous to think this program has anything to do with terrorism.
MarcLord @ 12:48 pm (#96) - I agree with you to at least this extent - I have yet to hear or read any credible explanation of how this could be used. The explanation that they’re doing “pattern analysis” or whatever is clearly false if one accepts that the data they’ve gathered on calls is truly “anonimized”. They’re plainly lying about something, IOW.
Until I hear of some mathematician describing a way that this can be done, either with or without “anonimized” data, I’m going to go on thinking there isn’t one. That’s certainly the level of proof I’d demand before even allowing them to use that data for the purpose they say they’re using it for, even with proper judicial oversight.
We have not forgotten this, but the Congress, most of them, seem to. “Power obtains from the people!”
If the king has forgotten that, it is up to us to remind him of it. As you know, Christy, there is always a way around bad law in the courtroom. As Nizer used to say “So he told the clerk to strike that from the record, and he balled me out and sustained my opponent’s objection…..but the jury still heard it!
I agree with Marc Lord. There can be no claim, as was made with respect to the NSA’s domestic wiretapping, that the collection of phone records and other calling data is “targetted” narrowly on people who are “known or suspected Al Qaeda.” The government CLAIMS to be collecting this data without knowing the names of the persons whose records their collecting. According to them, its completely random. (Of course, that could be a lie.) But in any event, the idea that you can identify terrorist networks by analyzing calling patterns makes absolutely no sense. Why would you want a field comprising 10 million people or more, if you are looking for a small number of people? What is it about “terrorist” calling patterns that makes them uniquely identifiable (as opposed to the normal calling patterns of families, friends, co-workers, customers and service providers). Are there ten million people in this country calling the Middle East every day? I just don’t get it — unless the purpose of the database is political, law enforcement.
I’m sorry. I’m sure that as the least relevent commentator on this blog, I don’t deserve a translation of this. but WHAT IN THE HELL DOES EPU mean?
Thank you.
And that wasn’t a criticizim, you all seem to bring up so much more critical points that I do. That was insane jealousy!
To D.Mason #15 Where I come from, we don’t call it “information.” We call it propaganda, and psychological warfare!
Just a thought
Rafe
Two fer the price of one…then I’ll shut up.
Suin et all, the point is that they want to be able to stop anyone on the street and say “papers!” (I don’t know the German for it, but it’s close to the English.)
2. Jane, Christy, and all the other wonderful posters, includint all the commentators. You are the mainstream media. The so called MSM has become the SRM (State Run Media) with some exceptions, of course, but those are individuals who are apparently tolerated.
litigatormom @ 1:46 pm (#100) - The government CLAIMS to be collecting this data without knowing the names of the persons whose records their collecting.
Unless the phone numbers are somehow randomized, this isn’t possible. There’s something called a “reverse directory” that is pretty easy to obtain (I once got a call from a lawyer who used one to track down one of my neighbors). If the numbers are randomized and the relationship between real and random numbers is erased, which is the only way I can think of to keep this information private, there’s no way of checking out whatever patterns the NSA thinks it might be detecting. There’s the rub.
But in any event, the idea that you can identify terrorist networks by analyzing calling patterns makes absolutely no sense.
Neither do many things that are actually true. To travel at the speed of light, for instance, you would have to convert all the matter in the universe into energy, and then you’d still not quite be there. Counter-intuitive and crazy, but true. Oh, and all that energy would be added to the mass of your spacecraft.
You can’t go by what makes sense, because in mathematics the thing that doesn’t make sense is often what’s true.
My position is that such theories, if they even exist, certainly cannot be proved if what the government says is true, and that I’ve never heard of a theory that could be useful. Perhaps someone has written a defense of this program that explains how it could work, but I certainly haven’t heard of it, and neither have the various blowhards who are defending the NSA programs.
cynic @103:
EPU = Evil Parallel Universe, the place to which the posts at the bottom of an old thread go to unravel, once a new thread has started . . .
. . . like perhaps this one.
History will record in infamy, the names of those republican committee chairmen in the senate, who placed their party above the constitution, or as their party leader characterized the constitution, “just a god damned piece of paper”. They took his view of the constitution literally, and have shamefully acted accordingly. When they swore to uphold that “just a god damned piece of paper”,they should not have placed their hand on the bible, but rather it would have been more appropiate to place their hand on a roll of Charmin. At least they could use it afterwards to clean up after “serving” the public weal .
Peter:
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Maybe they need a copy of Greenwald’s book, too.