Comments on: Late Nite FDL: A Short Ride For Holy Joe http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:11:37 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: credit facts http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-120165 credit facts Sat, 27 May 2006 00:22:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-120165 <p><strong>credit facts</strong></p> <p>lots of good info on credit at <a href="http://www.credit-facts.org/sitemap.aspx">http://www.credit-facts.org/sitemap.aspx</a> 22</p> credit facts

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]]> By: Gary Morris http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107529 Gary Morris Wed, 17 May 2006 18:22:40 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107529 <p>That “maps to hospitals that Lieberman says rape victims should go” to is a simple, brilliant idea. We need more of this kind of creativity if we’re to rid ourselves of onerous trash like Lieberman!</p> That “maps to hospitals that Lieberman says rape victims should go” to is a simple, brilliant idea. We need more of this kind of creativity if we’re to rid ourselves of onerous trash like Lieberman!

]]> By: John Pearley Huffman http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107337 John Pearley Huffman Wed, 17 May 2006 16:55:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107337 <p>Jane,</p> <p>At best the “fundamental right” of emergency contraception is legally derivative of the privacy reasoning of courts. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution that guarantees either privacy or contraception. Meanwhile the Catholic hospitals in this issue have the First Amendment on their side — specifically and explicitly the free exercise clause on religious liberty.</p> <p>Putting aside the rightness or wrongness of whether hospitals should be compelled to provide treatments they find abhorent, I don’t see how you can force hospitals to act contrary to their religious beliefs on this issue and respect their free exercise rights.</p> <p>The real test of a commitment to the principles in the Constitution isn’t in making sure that your rights or the rights of those who agree with your are respected, but in defending the rights of the people you find repellent are respected as well.</p> <p>Yes, I think rape victims should have access to emergency contraception — such contraception is legal and there can’t be a circumstance where such a treatment is more morally appropriate than after a rape. But I don’t see how the government can compel someone (or some institution) whose religion adamantly and absolutely is against that to provide such a service without violating their explicit Constitutional rights.</p> <p>Either the free exercise clause has some meaning, or it doesn’t. If you don’t value it that’s one thing, but it seems impossible to deny that it’s there.</p> Jane,

At best the “fundamental right” of emergency contraception is legally derivative of the privacy reasoning of courts. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution that guarantees either privacy or contraception. Meanwhile the Catholic hospitals in this issue have the First Amendment on their side — specifically and explicitly the free exercise clause on religious liberty.

Putting aside the rightness or wrongness of whether hospitals should be compelled to provide treatments they find abhorent, I don’t see how you can force hospitals to act contrary to their religious beliefs on this issue and respect their free exercise rights.

The real test of a commitment to the principles in the Constitution isn’t in making sure that your rights or the rights of those who agree with your are respected, but in defending the rights of the people you find repellent are respected as well.

Yes, I think rape victims should have access to emergency contraception — such contraception is legal and there can’t be a circumstance where such a treatment is more morally appropriate than after a rape. But I don’t see how the government can compel someone (or some institution) whose religion adamantly and absolutely is against that to provide such a service without violating their explicit Constitutional rights.

Either the free exercise clause has some meaning, or it doesn’t. If you don’t value it that’s one thing, but it seems impossible to deny that it’s there.

]]> By: professor rat http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107258 professor rat Wed, 17 May 2006 15:31:03 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107258 <p>As this blog has become the journal-of-record almost for what’s shakin’ in the zeitgeist here’s my comment and dissent.<br /> ( or dysentery if you will)<br /> While ‘ the-perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good ‘ applies at all times and in all ways so to does ambit-claims theory.<br /> And thats where I believe diversity-of-tactic’s comes into its own ( or into Janes metaphorical underpants - whatever comes first)<br /> With properly applied DoT doctrine ( like water based lubricant) then even opposing tactics can have unexpected and paradoxical synergies and synchronicities.<br /> Power concedes nothing without the demand it never has and it never will. The AMBIT FDL style demand - that is the big stick we need to get this chipmonk in his cage. Without the big stick held errect at the critical moment we risk loss of face. Softly softly catchee chimpy.</p> As this blog has become the journal-of-record almost for what’s shakin’ in the zeitgeist here’s my comment and dissent.
( or dysentery if you will)
While ‘ the-perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good ‘ applies at all times and in all ways so to does ambit-claims theory.
And thats where I believe diversity-of-tactic’s comes into its own ( or into Janes metaphorical underpants – whatever comes first)
With properly applied DoT doctrine ( like water based lubricant) then even opposing tactics can have unexpected and paradoxical synergies and synchronicities.
Power concedes nothing without the demand it never has and it never will. The AMBIT FDL style demand – that is the big stick we need to get this chipmonk in his cage. Without the big stick held errect at the critical moment we risk loss of face. Softly softly catchee chimpy.

]]> By: rusty http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107182 rusty Wed, 17 May 2006 13:59:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107182 <p>!ztiF</p> !ztiF

]]> By: Stephen Parrish, CPA http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107157 Stephen Parrish, CPA Wed, 17 May 2006 13:23:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107157 <p>New thread - Media Hearing Yesterday in Libby Case</p> New thread – Media Hearing Yesterday in Libby Case

]]> By: carolyn urban http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107155 carolyn urban Wed, 17 May 2006 13:22:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107155 <p>GSD, #37 said<br /> “They can’t bail out fast enough. No one likes a loser and G.W. is becoming the loser again, the very thing he has been running from all of his life. He sees it in the mirror and that’s why he is getting creeped out.”</p> <p>Hehhehheh. Yeah, you hit it exactly right I think. For a man who places such importance on winning, on image and empty posturing, his reflection must be FREAKING him out. Clenched jaw to keep chin from wobbling, eyes that can’t look anyone straight on, panic written on every feature.</p> <p>Hey Bush, why not go around with a paper bag on your head? It worked for Darth Vader.</p> GSD, #37 said
“They can’t bail out fast enough. No one likes a loser and G.W. is becoming the loser again, the very thing he has been running from all of his life. He sees it in the mirror and that’s why he is getting creeped out.”

Hehhehheh. Yeah, you hit it exactly right I think. For a man who places such importance on winning, on image and empty posturing, his reflection must be FREAKING him out. Clenched jaw to keep chin from wobbling, eyes that can’t look anyone straight on, panic written on every feature.

Hey Bush, why not go around with a paper bag on your head? It worked for Darth Vader.

]]> By: Stephen Parrish, CPA http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107154 Stephen Parrish, CPA Wed, 17 May 2006 13:22:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107154 <p>proj says:<br /> May 17th, 2006 at 6:14 am</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <p>rwcole says:<br /> May 17th, 2006 at 6:16 am</p> <p>No, I haven’t heard of any sightings yet. In the meantime, there’s this headline to think about that I saw on Raw Story:</p> <p>Upset GOP lobbyists withholding campaign $$$… Developing…</p> proj says:
May 17th, 2006 at 6:14 am

Thanks!

rwcole says:
May 17th, 2006 at 6:16 am

No, I haven’t heard of any sightings yet. In the meantime, there’s this headline to think about that I saw on Raw Story:

Upset GOP lobbyists withholding campaign $$$… Developing…

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107151 rwcole Wed, 17 May 2006 13:16:40 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107151 <p>Any Fitzy sightings this morning?</p> Any Fitzy sightings this morning?

]]> By: proj http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107149 proj Wed, 17 May 2006 13:14:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/late-nite-fdl-a-short-ride-for-holy-joe/#comment-107149 <p>They were up pretty much instantly. The indictments were posted as the press conference was being held, IIRC. The media advisory was up fairly early as well.</p> They were up pretty much instantly. The indictments were posted as the press conference was being held, IIRC. The media advisory was up fairly early as well.

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