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	<title>Comments on: How&#8217;s That Again, Jack?</title>
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		<title>By: SombreroFallout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-107423</link>
		<dc:creator>SombreroFallout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;JL doesnâ€™t come across so hot - the story may be legit but all this drama about being hard on himself, giving bloggers the finger, etc is not very professional as a journalist â€¦ stick to this is the story, properly sourced, why did no one ask Rove, and leave the soap opera out of it. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please. He’s responding to the issue at hand — which has been raised and chewed over and gnawed at by bloggers &amp; acolytes from here to Kokomo.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who have no way whatsoever of disproving Leopold’s reporting as long, that is, as long as Fitgerald can keep indictments under seal while possibly continuing to pursue new targets, new crimes, new testimony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There may be apparently or possibly problematic elements that don’t seem to fit neatly with what we think we know, but the degree of speculation over this has been huge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Leopold is obviously going to defend himself against what may be nervous-nellie, trigger-happy keyboardists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ridiculousness in taking Byron York’s and MArk Corallo’s word as disproving/discredtingn any way what Leopold has reported shows the egregiousness of this witch-hunting silliness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s reason to be cautious, yes.  And perhaps Leopold’s even being played by his sources. But to attack him without knowing his sources — at this level– is a bit much. Prove it if you can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>JL doesnâ€™t come across so hot &#8211; the story may be legit but all this drama about being hard on himself, giving bloggers the finger, etc is not very professional as a journalist â€¦ stick to this is the story, properly sourced, why did no one ask Rove, and leave the soap opera out of it. </i></p>
<p>Please. He’s responding to the issue at hand — which has been raised and chewed over and gnawed at by bloggers &amp; acolytes from here to Kokomo.  </p>
<p>Who have no way whatsoever of disproving Leopold’s reporting as long, that is, as long as Fitgerald can keep indictments under seal while possibly continuing to pursue new targets, new crimes, new testimony.</p>
<p>There may be apparently or possibly problematic elements that don’t seem to fit neatly with what we think we know, but the degree of speculation over this has been huge.</p>
<p>Leopold is obviously going to defend himself against what may be nervous-nellie, trigger-happy keyboardists.</p>
<p>The ridiculousness in taking Byron York’s and MArk Corallo’s word as disproving/discredtingn any way what Leopold has reported shows the egregiousness of this witch-hunting silliness.</p>
<p>There’s reason to be cautious, yes.  And perhaps Leopold’s even being played by his sources. But to attack him without knowing his sources — at this level– is a bit much. Prove it if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: mongo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106925</link>
		<dc:creator>mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 03:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To #142 &amp; 144: Oh, please.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why isn’t anybody wondering about the fact that the telcos had this information ready to gift wrap and hand to the feds? What uses are they putting it to themselves?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You should have trotted out your indignation and put it to use when the Echelon program was created.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pitchforks… sheesh. Get a grip.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Put the corporate zaibatsus under the same level of scrutiny that you apply to the government and maybe you’ll get somewhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;xoxo, mongo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #142 &amp; 144: Oh, please.</p>
<p>Why isn’t anybody wondering about the fact that the telcos had this information ready to gift wrap and hand to the feds? What uses are they putting it to themselves?</p>
<p>You should have trotted out your indignation and put it to use when the Echelon program was created.</p>
<p>Pitchforks… sheesh. Get a grip.</p>
<p>Put the corporate zaibatsus under the same level of scrutiny that you apply to the government and maybe you’ll get somewhere.</p>
<p>xoxo, mongo</p>
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		<title>By: tdhcheri</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106851</link>
		<dc:creator>tdhcheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 02:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No shit, # 142. And every time you hear someone like Cafferty say something you’d like to agree with, don’t get too excited. As for Specter, I’m almost starting to feel bad for him (kind of like being a little embarrassed for Ted Stevens when he got all riled on the floor and said he wasn’t coming back).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No shit, # 142. And every time you hear someone like Cafferty say something you’d like to agree with, don’t get too excited. As for Specter, I’m almost starting to feel bad for him (kind of like being a little embarrassed for Ted Stevens when he got all riled on the floor and said he wasn’t coming back).</p>
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		<title>By: mongo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106621</link>
		<dc:creator>mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 23:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find this whole thing amusing. The collection and mining (and traffic!) of data about individuals has been with us for decades — the only difference is that it’s been a *little* more overt lately. The fact that the government is being a little more overt than usual is the least of our worries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m suddenly reminded of the furor over the concept of a “National ID Card” that completely ignored the fact that all Americans (actually, make that all people who are registered wage earners in America) already have one. It’s called a Social Security Card.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The genie is out of the bottle and living large in a villa on Grand Cayman. Perhaps it’s time to get used to it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;xoxo, mongo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole thing amusing. The collection and mining (and traffic!) of data about individuals has been with us for decades — the only difference is that it’s been a *little* more overt lately. The fact that the government is being a little more overt than usual is the least of our worries.</p>
<p>I’m suddenly reminded of the furor over the concept of a “National ID Card” that completely ignored the fact that all Americans (actually, make that all people who are registered wage earners in America) already have one. It’s called a Social Security Card.</p>
<p>The genie is out of the bottle and living large in a villa on Grand Cayman. Perhaps it’s time to get used to it.</p>
<p>xoxo, mongo</p>
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		<title>By: and your little dog, too . . . .</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106589</link>
		<dc:creator>and your little dog, too . . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why arenâ€™t masses of Americans rushing the White House with torches ablaze, taking King George, Darth Cheney, Abu Gonzalez, et al into custody?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* * * *&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because there are so many outrages - - and have been from day one of this Criminal Regime - - how would you decide which outrage to march against.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really, I don’t get my mind wrapped around one disaster before another one hits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there were one, identifiable, grand outrage, I think we could get the pitchforks organized.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why arenâ€™t masses of Americans rushing the White House with torches ablaze, taking King George, Darth Cheney, Abu Gonzalez, et al into custody?</p>
<p>* * * *</p>
<p>Because there are so many outrages &#8211; - and have been from day one of this Criminal Regime &#8211; - how would you decide which outrage to march against.</p>
<p>Really, I don’t get my mind wrapped around one disaster before another one hits.</p>
<p>If there were one, identifiable, grand outrage, I think we could get the pitchforks organized.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106457</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary @ 2:39 pm (#136) - I have a question about that PDF for the Arar filing. How can Comey claim to know that there are foreign policy implications to this case? He’s in DoJ, not in the State Dept. I don’t get that. Is it common for a (Deputy) Attorney General to assert such a thing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary @ 2:39 pm (#136) &#8211; I have a question about that PDF for the Arar filing. How can Comey claim to know that there are foreign policy implications to this case? He’s in DoJ, not in the State Dept. I don’t get that. Is it common for a (Deputy) Attorney General to assert such a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Parallel Universe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106420</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Parallel Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obsessed - Your outline of possibilities is good, but you leave out the possibility that Rover is already indicted and what we will get is an unsealing. I’ve always been in the “he’s cooperating” camp after the 5th gj appearance (and maybe earlier) and I have no reason to change sides now. He also left his position at the WH, which may be coincidence, but may not be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think that swift boating applies to Rover’s situation, since Rover will be (or has been) indicted, that much I know. The “swifted” will have the last laugh - it is just a question of timing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although you can never discount the insanity option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obsessed &#8211; Your outline of possibilities is good, but you leave out the possibility that Rover is already indicted and what we will get is an unsealing. I’ve always been in the “he’s cooperating” camp after the 5th gj appearance (and maybe earlier) and I have no reason to change sides now. He also left his position at the WH, which may be coincidence, but may not be.</p>
<p>I don’t think that swift boating applies to Rover’s situation, since Rover will be (or has been) indicted, that much I know. The “swifted” will have the last laugh &#8211; it is just a question of timing.</p>
<p>Although you can never discount the insanity option.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106414</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary @ 2:39 pm (#136) - &lt;i&gt;which is probably why I have no book deals).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for posting here, anyway. It’s kinda like reading a book, but I don’t have to tear myself away from the computer ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary @ 2:39 pm (#136) &#8211; <i>which is probably why I have no book deals).</i></p>
<p>Thanks for posting here, anyway. It’s kinda like reading a book, but I don’t have to tear myself away from the computer ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106404</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;obsessed @ 2:31 pm (#127) - I hadn’t even considered d) as a possibility before. It’s quite possible, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s no reason to think that a), b), d), and f) can’t all be true, BTW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obsessed @ 2:31 pm (#127) &#8211; I hadn’t even considered d) as a possibility before. It’s quite possible, though.</p>
<p>There’s no reason to think that a), b), d), and f) can’t all be true, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobstergirl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/hows-that-again-jack/#comment-106401</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobstergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New thread…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread…</p>
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