Comments on: Ah the Smell of White Men Bloviating About Immigration In the Morning http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:04:47 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: An Angry Old Broad http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-107123 An Angry Old Broad Wed, 17 May 2006 11:44:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-107123 <p>I thought we had immigration laws already.Why aren’t they being enforced?Perhaps we don’t need new laws or programs,just enforcement of the ones already in place.</p> <p>As for the old saw of immigrants taking jobs Americans won’t do,bullshit.If employers were forced to pay people a living wage,Americans would do those jobs.</p> <p>If there were no jobs for immigrants to be hired to do,undercutting American citizens who are willing to work,this “problem”would be minimal at best.Until employers are held accountable,nothing will fix this.If you take away a reason for people to come here,they’ll stop coming.</p> <p>Any why isn’t anyone holding the Mexican government responsible for not taking care of it’s own people?</p> I thought we had immigration laws already.Why aren’t they being enforced?Perhaps we don’t need new laws or programs,just enforcement of the ones already in place.

As for the old saw of immigrants taking jobs Americans won’t do,bullshit.If employers were forced to pay people a living wage,Americans would do those jobs.

If there were no jobs for immigrants to be hired to do,undercutting American citizens who are willing to work,this “problem”would be minimal at best.Until employers are held accountable,nothing will fix this.If you take away a reason for people to come here,they’ll stop coming.

Any why isn’t anyone holding the Mexican government responsible for not taking care of it’s own people?

]]> By: John West http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106971 John West Wed, 17 May 2006 04:23:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106971 <p>#125: ‘Am I really supposed to believe that illegals are responsible for high health care costs? ” :</p> <p>“From July to December 2005, a six-month period, University Medical Center in Tucson treated 681 foreign nationals at a cost of $6.9 million dollars, according to a study by the University of Texas at El Paso. </p> <p>Hospitals in Pima County absorbed $76 million for treating illegal immigrants in the year 2000.”</p> <p>–KOLD News 13, ‘Horse Trailer Carrying Dozens Of Illegal Immigrants Crashes’, 30 March 2006</p> #125: ‘Am I really supposed to believe that illegals are responsible for high health care costs? ” :

“From July to December 2005, a six-month period, University Medical Center in Tucson treated 681 foreign nationals at a cost of $6.9 million dollars, according to a study by the University of Texas at El Paso.

Hospitals in Pima County absorbed $76 million for treating illegal immigrants in the year 2000.”

–KOLD News 13, ‘Horse Trailer Carrying Dozens Of Illegal Immigrants Crashes’, 30 March 2006

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106833 ccmask Wed, 17 May 2006 02:11:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106833 <p>Question: Are you only an American Citizen if you have a passport? I mean, when it comes down to it, we’re all immigrants, right? What’s to stop Bushco from going back several generations…..</p> Question: Are you only an American Citizen if you have a passport? I mean, when it comes down to it, we’re all immigrants, right? What’s to stop Bushco from going back several generations…..

]]> By: darkblack http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106736 darkblack Wed, 17 May 2006 01:23:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106736 <p>You’ll give’r aboot ‘artound’ better if ya eat yer CPR strawberries with a half-sack …Keep ya movin’, eh? Just don’t get hosed.</p> <p>sined, <a href="http://static.flickr.com/49/147893669_7e1ecb9f57_m.jpg">A. Snowback</a></p> <p>;>)</p> You’ll give’r aboot ‘artound’ better if ya eat yer CPR strawberries with a half-sack …Keep ya movin’, eh? Just don’t get hosed.

sined, A. Snowback

;>)

]]> By: BCian_ya http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106688 BCian_ya Wed, 17 May 2006 00:40:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106688 <p>around, not artound. :)</p> around, not artound. :)

]]> By: BCian_ya http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106686 BCian_ya Wed, 17 May 2006 00:39:15 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106686 <p>darkblack says: May 16th, 2006 at 3:37 pm </p> <p>Nice reference to “Canadian Bacon”. Not sure if that was MM’s first or not.</p> <p>As to building a wall “artound” Canada. Maybe we could help you build the wall around the US instead. Then we can toss all the riffraff from the US back over it. Like Wally’s World, Lynn Cheney’s Lougheed Martin 2006 Canadian census software, etc. </p> <p>And no, you can’t have our beer, but you can have a lot of our Parliamentarians, starting with Harper.</p> <p>This’ll probably get EPU’d but …</p> darkblack says: May 16th, 2006 at 3:37 pm

Nice reference to “Canadian Bacon”. Not sure if that was MM’s first or not.

As to building a wall “artound” Canada. Maybe we could help you build the wall around the US instead. Then we can toss all the riffraff from the US back over it. Like Wally’s World, Lynn Cheney’s Lougheed Martin 2006 Canadian census software, etc.

And no, you can’t have our beer, but you can have a lot of our Parliamentarians, starting with Harper.

This’ll probably get EPU’d but …

]]> By: Eclaire http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106680 Eclaire Wed, 17 May 2006 00:29:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106680 <p>Bush is brilliant. 12 million undocumented workers in the US, probably 40% of this number (4.8 million) “allowed” to cross the border in the last 4 years. 12 million cheap, easily terrorized workers, who don’t get vacation pay, matching 401-k contributions, or paid sick time. Not to mention no disability pay. And they can be fired at will. Use ‘em up and throw ‘em out. Like Kleenex. Or toilet paper.</p> <p>What do we, the law-abiding citizens (and documented aliens) get? Cheap fruits and vegetables (just be sure to brush off the pesticides before eating). Cheap chicken parts thanks to factories with workers that can kill, pluck, gut and chop thousands of chickens per hour. Cheap fast food in restaurants, thanks to busboys, cooks and dishwashers. Cheaper hotels, thanks to maids and housekeepers. Bargain car washes and detailing. Cheap substitute mommies and wives to do the dirty work of wiping bottoms and cleaning toilets and washing dishes and mowing lawns. Cheaper building construction workers, who pour cement, carry bricks, put up drywall, roof houses.</p> <p>And now, when the economy is humming and the corporations are profitable and CEO salaries are in the millions of dollars per year and the stock market is going up, the Administration can quietly take credit in the Boardrooms for having kept wages constant for the last few years, thanks to the endless sea of disposable cheap labor they have allowed to cross the borders, as well as keeping a hard-nosed anti-labor union stance.</p> <p>And when the ex-middle class electorate wakes up and realizes that their employers (when they find one) laugh at them for mentioning pensions, sick pay, paid vacations and health insurance, then the Bush administration can blame the wet-backs for flooding into the country and lowering the standard of working. “Hey,it’s not me, it’s them sneaky beaners. Don’t get mad at me, I love ya, baby. I gave ya a tax cut. Go bash a beaner, they’re the law breakers.”</p> <p>So, all those white guys who might make trouble for the Republicans if they happened to think it through, are turned in anger upon the undocumented workers, most of whom happen to be Spanish-speakers (unless they work in Irish bars or Brit tea shops) so the anger spreads to all Spanish-speakers, and maybe anyone who is brown and looks small and undernourished.</p> <p>As I said, a brilliant strategy.</p> Bush is brilliant. 12 million undocumented workers in the US, probably 40% of this number (4.8 million) “allowed” to cross the border in the last 4 years. 12 million cheap, easily terrorized workers, who don’t get vacation pay, matching 401-k contributions, or paid sick time. Not to mention no disability pay. And they can be fired at will. Use ‘em up and throw ‘em out. Like Kleenex. Or toilet paper.

What do we, the law-abiding citizens (and documented aliens) get? Cheap fruits and vegetables (just be sure to brush off the pesticides before eating). Cheap chicken parts thanks to factories with workers that can kill, pluck, gut and chop thousands of chickens per hour. Cheap fast food in restaurants, thanks to busboys, cooks and dishwashers. Cheaper hotels, thanks to maids and housekeepers. Bargain car washes and detailing. Cheap substitute mommies and wives to do the dirty work of wiping bottoms and cleaning toilets and washing dishes and mowing lawns. Cheaper building construction workers, who pour cement, carry bricks, put up drywall, roof houses.

And now, when the economy is humming and the corporations are profitable and CEO salaries are in the millions of dollars per year and the stock market is going up, the Administration can quietly take credit in the Boardrooms for having kept wages constant for the last few years, thanks to the endless sea of disposable cheap labor they have allowed to cross the borders, as well as keeping a hard-nosed anti-labor union stance.

And when the ex-middle class electorate wakes up and realizes that their employers (when they find one) laugh at them for mentioning pensions, sick pay, paid vacations and health insurance, then the Bush administration can blame the wet-backs for flooding into the country and lowering the standard of working. “Hey,it’s not me, it’s them sneaky beaners. Don’t get mad at me, I love ya, baby. I gave ya a tax cut. Go bash a beaner, they’re the law breakers.”

So, all those white guys who might make trouble for the Republicans if they happened to think it through, are turned in anger upon the undocumented workers, most of whom happen to be Spanish-speakers (unless they work in Irish bars or Brit tea shops) so the anger spreads to all Spanish-speakers, and maybe anyone who is brown and looks small and undernourished.

As I said, a brilliant strategy.

]]> By: bbuster http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106648 bbuster Tue, 16 May 2006 23:58:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106648 <p>Re: Thread’s heading ’bout unattractive white men.<br /> Underscores a constant and repetitive theme in the blogging I do.<br /> I cannot understand how these repellent people manage to procreate. What is it about reThuglicanism that also becomes wouldn’t-touch-’em-with-a-ten-foot-pole-ism?<br /> Is the fact that they couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse the thing that drove them to Thuglicanism? Or vice-y versey?</p> Re: Thread’s heading ’bout unattractive white men.
Underscores a constant and repetitive theme in the blogging I do.
I cannot understand how these repellent people manage to procreate. What is it about reThuglicanism that also becomes wouldn’t-touch-’em-with-a-ten-foot-pole-ism?
Is the fact that they couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse the thing that drove them to Thuglicanism? Or vice-y versey?

]]> By: Frank http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106646 Frank Tue, 16 May 2006 23:57:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106646 <p>“Panty sniffing”???Was the group under a blanket passing the aromatic garment around from one to the other for all to bloviate over? Gives new meaning to the term “bloviate”. It will be hard to erase that new nemonic impression from the memory bank…Thanks Jane for the new template for the word.</p> “Panty sniffing”???Was the group under a blanket passing the aromatic garment around from one to the other for all to bloviate over? Gives new meaning to the term “bloviate”. It will be hard to erase that new nemonic impression from the memory bank…Thanks Jane for the new template for the word.

]]> By: D. Mason http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106642 D. Mason Tue, 16 May 2006 23:56:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/16/ah-the-smell-of-white-men-bloviating-about-immigration-in-the-morning/#comment-106642 <blockquote><p>Wanting laws enforced and wanting them enforced in a rascist manner are not the same thing.</p></blockquote> <p>I agree in essence but you are using the truth here to twist reality. I want the laws enforced against mexican illegals and chinese illegals and british illegals, but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of illegals are mexicans. Does that make me a bigot? According to you it does(along with many millions of Americans). Hopefully that combo of hysterics and hyper sensativity won’t end up helping the republicans holding on to both houses of congress but I’m not gonna place any bets. People like you help the dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by aiming your insane rhetoric at Average voters who just want to feed their kids, thanks alot.</p>

Wanting laws enforced and wanting them enforced in a rascist manner are not the same thing.

I agree in essence but you are using the truth here to twist reality. I want the laws enforced against mexican illegals and chinese illegals and british illegals, but the fact is that the overwhelming majority of illegals are mexicans. Does that make me a bigot? According to you it does(along with many millions of Americans). Hopefully that combo of hysterics and hyper sensativity won’t end up helping the republicans holding on to both houses of congress but I’m not gonna place any bets. People like you help the dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by aiming your insane rhetoric at Average voters who just want to feed their kids, thanks alot.

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