
Tonight is the final episode of the West Wing on NBC. I hesitated to write anything about this, even though it’s one of my all-time favorite shows, because there are so many enormously pressing news issues out there. But sometimes, a post on the better angels of our nature has its use — and in today’s climate of anger and fear and political disgust, thinking about where we ought to be and what we could achieve as opposed to where we are at the moment has an enormous value.
One of my favorite episodes on the West Wing was one from very early on — either the first or second season — where the President dresses down a wingnut radio host (Dr. Jenna Jacobs, a thinly veiled portrait of Dr. Laura Schlessinger) on her hijacking of religious belief for her own personal gain when she doesn’t actually walk the talk in her own life. (The exchange can be heard here.) And I’ve always had this fantasy of some political leader doing the exact same thing in the real world. For some reason (probably because the Brent Bozell’s of the world start a snotty e-mail campaign every time they air the episode or something), they rarely show this particular episode, but it is one that could use some more play these days.
I don’t think that it is too much to ask that our political leaders want to do the job for the good of the rest of us, and not to line their own pockets or those of their crony friends. It would be naive to think that it doesn’t happen — especially given the environment in Washington right now and the number of politicians currently under federal investigation or threat of indictment — but it’s not too much to ask that the people’s business be the first thing on the list every day.
Not running for re-election. Not keeping my donor base happy. Not lining crony pockets so I can get some kick-back and a 14th century antique.
But the people’s business. Little things like protecting at risk children by ensuring that they have health care and head start education programs and enough social workers in the communities so that those who are most at risk for abuse and neglect and child sexual abuse have the safety net that society ought to find much more important than they do.
Or really digging into homeland security so that cargo containers are actually inspected, instead of us all collectively crossing our fingers and hoping no dirty bombs show up because we only inspect a tiny fraction of what pours into our nation daily.
The thing that has tugged at me each week as I watch the West Wing is that I wish I could believe in the integrity and the values of my real world political leaders as much as I can believe in the values of the fictional characters that I saw each week on the show. Sometimes the disconnect between them was painful and harsh — that was true when the show began, back during the days of the Monica issues during the end of the Clinton era and the mess that surrounded it when government seemed to take a back-seat to tabloid ick on so many levels. And it is especially true today, when the Orwellian public pronouncements that black is white and domestic spying without a warrant is a good thing for the Constitution and anyone who says differently is a traitor — well, the disconnect is even more painful these days, isn’t it?
Sure, it’s a fictional show. But through fiction, we can often express those hopes and insights that you can’t really get across in a non-fiction context. As many of our long-time readers know, I’m a huge science fiction reader — and some of the very best of science fiction has included political insight in the storytelling — often using the oddities of an alien culture to illustrate how a current political action ought to have been alien in our own.
The best episodes of the West Wing did just that as well. I’m reminded of the great episode right after 9/11, wherein Leo makes a mistake about an Islamic employee who is mis-identified as a potential terrorist because his name is similar to an alias in the national security computer system. The pain, the disconnect from values — all of it played out fully in that episode, with brilliant writing and dialogue.
The best shows on television and the best movies make you think about who you are and what you want to be — and what you ought to value down deep. MASH used to do that for me as a kid, and I still love Alan Alda for it, and for all the laughs, and the West Wing has been that sort of weekly companion since its inception. There are a lot of other shows and movies that do the same thing, but I wish there were more of them.
But what I really want is for the entirety of the American public to understand that we get the government that we ask for — and with so many people who do not pay attention to political discourse (sometimes because the level of corruption and idiocy is such a turn-off that they have to walk away, some because it is just ignorance and laziness or whatever), I’m worried that things will continue to get worse instead of better.
So with that said, I’ve been thinking about something that all of us at FDL could do: take two friends to the polls to vote on election day. Pick out a couple of friends from work, from church, from around the neighborhood…whatever. Start talking to them about how important it is to have their voice be heard now. Make sure they are registered to vote. And when the day comes for election day, take them with you to the polls.
Imagine how much more participation we could all get if we all just did that one, simple thing. It is good-bye to the West Wing this evening, but I refuse to give up on the dream of integrity and honor in government. And if by some miracle we all — every single one of us in this country — stand up and say "You work for us. And we deserve better." — well, imagine how far we could all go.
Use this thread to talk about your favorite West Wing episode or other political moments, and whatever practical stuff you’ve been doing in your community to make the world and our country a better place. One of my favorite things about our readership is how creative everyone is in standing up and being counted — the Roots Project that Pach is coordinating is such an amazing example of this. On those dreary days when I get frustrated or angry that things are going so badly, someone in the comments invariably lifts my mood up with some action they have taken on all of our behalf. And for that, I thank all of you — every day — for making our world a better place.
And as my present to everyone, take a peek at the Al Gore bit on SNL. Crooks and Liars has the video up, and it’s quite an intro.



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happy fitzzers day!
Oh please let Monday be indictment day. Happy mothers Day everyone. Of course two of my kids have already been sent to thier rooms this morning. Happy Day.
St. Fitz
The West Wing was featured on Friday’s Fresh Air — great show, and worth a listen . . .
http://www.npr.org/templates/r…..p?prgId=13
Do they know it’s Fitzmastime at all?
My favorite West Wing episode has got to be the episode when CJ Cregg has her “woot canawl” and Josh has to do the gaggle briefing. He sarcastically references the President’s Secret Plan to Fight Inflation and the gaggle turns on him, hounding him the rest of the day about the Secret Plan.
The one thing that consistently gets to the Washington press corpse insiders is when someone comes to Washington and tries to do right by the American people.
They hated Gore for this very reason, and that is why they were so vicious. This deep rooted cynicism, at its core, speaks to a pathology that is hurting America.
Thank you so much for your positive thoughts. That’s one of the reasons I come to this site: you always seek the truth in a steady way, working toward reminding us how to be better citizens.
Best show on TV!
Of course the episode you mention is available in the box sets, which come with commentary by vqarious participants, actors and directors.
And I have to mention the ascendance of C. J. Cragg (Allison Janney) as one of the hottest female characters on TV.
Now that I’m in school to learn speech pathology, not being a mom, I found out that hearing screenings and speech therapy are done in public school settings. So what would replace that if the pukes have their way and send kids to “vouched for” schools? Oh yeah, the family’s private insurance can afford that.
EPU’d twice in one morning.A new record?No,fraid not.
cbl,left a comment noting your perseptive nature,previous thread.
An open letter to William P. Leahy, SJ, president of Boston College.
DEAR Father Leahy,
I am writing to resign my post as an adjunct professor of English at Boston College.
I am doing so — after five years at BC, and with tremendous regret — as a direct result of your decision to invite Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to be the commencement speaker at this year’s graduation.
Many members of the faculty and student body already have voiced their objection to the invitation, arguing that Rice’s actions as secretary of state are inconsistent with the broader humanistic values of the university and the Catholic and Jesuit traditions from which those values derive.
But I am not writing this letter simply because of an objection to the war against Iraq. My concern is more fundamental. Simply put, Rice is a liar.
She has lied to the American people knowingly, repeatedly, often extravagantly over the past five years, in an effort to justify a pathologically misguided foreign policy.
The public record of her deceits is extensive. During the ramp-up to the Iraq war, she made 29 false or misleading public statements concerning Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and links to Al Qaeda, according to a congressional investigation by the House Committee on Government Reform.
To cite one example:
In an effort to build the case for war, then-National Security Adviser Rice repeatedly asserted that Iraq was pursuing a nuclear weapon, and specifically seeking uranium in Africa.
In July of 2003, after these claims were disproved, Rice said: ”Now if there were doubts about the underlying intelligence . . . those doubts were not communicated to the president, the vice president, or to me.”
Rice’s own deputy, Stephen Hadley, later admitted that the CIA had sent her a memo eight months earlier warning against the use of this claim.
In the three years since the war began, Rice has continued to misrepresent or simply ignore the truth about our deadly adventure in Iraq.
Like the president whom she serves so faithfully, she refuses to recognize her errors or the tragic consequences of those errors to the young soldiers and civilians dying in Iraq. She is a diplomat whose central allegiance is not to the democratic cause of this nation, but absolute power.
This is the woman to whom you will be bestowing an honorary degree, along with the privilege of addressing the graduating class of 2006.
It is this last notion I find most reprehensible: that Boston College would entrust to Rice the role of moral exemplar.
To be clear: I am not questioning her intellectual gifts or academic accomplishments. Nor her potentially inspiring role as a powerful woman of color.
But these are not the factors by which a commencement speaker should be judged. It is the content of one’s character that matters here — the reverence for truth and knowledge that Boston College purports to champion.
Rice does not personify these values; she repudiates them. Whatever inspiring rhetoric she might present to the graduating class, her actions as a citizen and politician tell a different story.
Honestly, Father Leahy, what lessons do you expect her to impart to impressionable seniors?
That hard work in the corporate sector might gain them a spot on the board of Chevron? That they, too, might someday have an oil tanker named after them? That it is acceptable to lie to the American people for political gain?
Given the widespread objection to inviting Rice, I would like to think you will rescind the offer. But that is clearly not going to happen.
Like the administration in Washington, you appear too proud to admit to your mistake. Instead, you will mouth a bunch of platitudes, all of which boil down to: You don’t want to lose face.
In this sense, you leave me no choice.
I cannot, in good conscience, exhort my students to pursue truth and knowledge, then collect a paycheck from an institution that displays such flagrant disregard for both.
I would like to apologize to my students and prospective students. I would also urge them to investigate the words and actions of Rice, and to exercise their own First Amendment rights at her speech.
– Steve Almond
I like them all.
Laura Rozen continues this morning, hot on the trail of the ties between Wilkes and whoever gets dug up:
http://www.warandpiece.com/
Two huge multi-year TV series I never watched: Seinfeld & West Wing.
Off to the first rehearsal of “Two Rivers,” my latest piece of agitprop.
I loved this this mini-speech by Ainsley-
“Say they are smug and superior. Say their approach to public policy makes you want to tear your hair out. Say they like high taxes.and spending your money. Say they want to take your guns and open your borders but don’t call them worthless. . . . The people I have met have been extraordinarily qualified. Their intent is good. Their commitment is true. They are righteous, and they are patriots. And I’m their lawyer.”
Favorite politcal moment? So many that we have forgotten. But this from Justice Brandeis resonates now:
Redd,
I have been a fan of West Wing for years, but it has been limping a little lately. The episode, “The Midterms”, you mention was one I was thinking about this morning while waiting for my children to rise.
“Toby, that’s how I won”. The subtext in that line is that Jed had known all along how he won the election, but didn’t want to tell the story. Perhaps he didn’t like to acknowledge that people could get under his skin and saw his actions as a loss of self-control, no matter how justified.
The best hour of television I have seen lately was the episode called “King Corn” from season 6.
When I say that the show has been limping lately, it is only because the dialog has become increasingly on-point. I have watched these episodes and then mentally rewritten them to add some subtext. Even with that caveat, this is still a good show.
I sometimes think that the West Wing acted as an administration for some sort of parallel universe, where there actually was truth in government, integrity in action and courage in conviction. We could watch this show and sate our needs; it was a form of escape from the evil that currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I’ll Tivo it because that is right at the kid’s time to go to bed. Youngest is running a fever today and I’m watching that. Fever trumps politics any day of the week.
Three things:
1) Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms
2) I finally realized who Karl Rove looks like:
http://www.smartsoftdev.com/evil.htm
3) You know the drill:
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
^^^ HELP IMPEACH TODAY
Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:
1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.
Help out!!!
P.S. If you already signed petitions and sent letters… Try this link (I just came across it and added it to my master list):
http://www.millionphonemarch.com/impeach.htm
Thanks :)
Hi Christy,
Siun has done an article which I’ve posted on both my blogs about netroots but she covers how to use economic clout too. I think FDL folk might find the resources she’s listed very useful:
http://markfromireland.blogsom…..g-by-siun/
So i’m completely shameless about posting the link.
The article below that is about how the Department of Defense gave the contract to ship 200,000 AK47 assault rifles from Bosnia to Iraq to it’s contractor buddies. They subcontracted it to an arms dealer who is a fugitive from justice in two jurisdictions and is notorious for selling arms to everyone including, there’s very good reason to believe, the Taleban.
The 200,000 AK47 assault rifles have ummmm gone missing…….
Here’s what we did -
Printed out
Voter Registration Forms w/pre-addressed envelopes
Went door to door on our road- “(Honey, it’s that little hippy gal”), approx 20 houses and simply introduced ourselves and asked our neighbors if they were registered to vote. Lots of registered retirees, but gave the form to the 3 or 4 who weren’t .
Further, attached post-it showing
1, How to get an absentee ballot
2. Congressional Contact info
A little awkward and nervous about it at first, it was actually fun – so we’ve expanded operations 1 block at a time in the giant suburbs that surround our protected little paradise
Our county has just switched back to paper ballots, so I’ll forego my plans to vote absentee – don’t worry Siun wherever you are, I’ll be one of the little ol ladies working the desk and handing out cookies in November!
The Constitution is for commie islamo fingerlickin fudgepackers!
REAL AMERICANS TRUST BUSHâ„¢
redd:
“…..we get the government we ask for……” this is a troubling little phrase. i know why you said it, and it’s similar to “… people get the type of government they deserve.”
both conceits deserve some critical scrutiny. one of the problems we have right now is that we aren’t getting the government we asked for, even those that voted for Peabrain. their is no compassion and there is no conservatism (in the truer, more noble sense of the word). Peabrain said he didn’t believe in “nation-building”. No need to go further……..
despite that one little quibble, you’ve started us off in your usual, wonderful way and i thank you. also, happy mother’s day.
My daughter’s favorite episode is also the one where the Dr. Laura character gets her dressing down. Actually, with her young agile brain cells, she remembers plots and dialogue of most shows. Me, I’m old now; most of the episodes run together with just a general sense of plotlines and characters that speak to the importance of the ideals on which the country was founded, often forgotten, always imperfectly realized, but at the heart of our national striving nonetheless.
Last week’s episode seemed to encapsulate this overarching theme: the way Vinnick spent most of it analyzing Santos’ strategy and how it would effect his own ambitions and his party’s; but then, in the final scene we see Vinick and Santos doing what they really want to do and do best — address the challenges of governance instead of electoral politics.
I do believe we have leaders that, though political realities force them to wander, at heart want to concentrate on the people’s business — just not enough of them right now. I hope it’s not too late to elect a few more.
man, I wish that snl skit were even just a little bit closer to reality… just a wee bit…
My favorite episode was the most recent presidential debate (I’m a relative newcomer to the show). I wish that all that useless bickering over rules and jockeying for supposed advantage just went away, and an actual discussion of issues was presented to the people.
While I’m at it, I also want a pony.
Bravo Redd, and Happy Mothers Day. You are a true progressive, looking at things as half full and refusing to give in to the cynical darkside.
I never watched the West Wing, saw bits and pieces occasionally. It was almost too hard to watch with the painful realities you describe.
An earlier thread asked, “who were your heroes?” One of my influences was MASH as well, getting me to ask questions of those in authority and to do the right thing no matter what the cost. Hawkeye, BJ, Trapper, Charles, etc helped me develop into who I am, and made me laugh my ass off along the way.
n69n,
Can you explain a bumper sticker I saw on the car of a 29%er,”W is for women”,this alongside many “W ‘04″ stickers.
btw, Frist on CNN after being shown Mary Cheney arguing for gay marriage, said with a straight face: “The institution of marriage itself is under attack by a handful of activist judges and the Senate must act to protect it.” So its not the fags or dykes? it’s judges gone wild? who woulda thought?
My favorite Ep is the Christmas one where Toby is notified by the police about the death of a homeless vet only because he’s wearing a coat that Toby donated to charity. The funeral scene still chokes me up when I think about it. Can’t say it was the best episode (there are just oo many good ones) but that scene wins best of series for me. Very visceral.
I think my favorite West Wing episode is the one where a bunch of high school students are locked down in the basement of the White House (I forget why). Bartlett (or was it Josh, or both?) go down there and engage them in an intellectual debate about how our government works, and the significance of certain events in our history. (Sadly the show just wasn’t the same after Sorkin left.)
I think today students would learn more about American History and government watching that episode than in a whole year of social studies, where they’re busy cramming for the pointless NCLB tests of no understanding. But hey, an ignorant population is more easily exploitable.
As for the episode Christy cites, it shows what I wish our side would do. Stop engaging the lunatics in reasonable discourse. The right wingers are like mental patients on the loose who can fake being normal. But nobody who is sane should even enter into a “debate” on their terms, they are only interested in pushing their fantasy world. I think Randi Rhodes did a good job of breaking out of the trap when she slapped down that chickenhawk punk.
“W is for women” reflects the GOP bullshit that because of Bush, women in Afghanistan and Iraq no longer wear burkhas and can now for the first time ever, go to school and vote.
He sounds like a feminazi to me! “W is for wimp.”
My favorite quote from The West Wing was Bartlett’s from some sort of school assembly:
There are many more quotes here at IMDB.
I loved the first three seasons of the show. After Aaron Sorkin seemed to lose it and then was replaced, it wasn’t the same. It was still a good show, better than most drama on TV, but to me it wasn’t The West Wing anymore. Sorkin’s dialogue had a wonderful cadence that they’ve only rarely been able to re-create since. The early seasons of TWW and Sports Night are two of the best shows for people who love the “two people in a room” kind of drama.
cbl,
I heard a caller on one of Friday’s AirAmerica shows, in reference to absentee voting, say that absentee ballots are not counted unless the election is very close (I think the caller stated that a race had to be within 3% points before they counted absentee ballots).
Now, I don’t know this to be a fact, and it would certainly be news to me, but this gent sounded informed. I would like to get confirmation on this but the point was that absentee ballots are an insufficient substitute for showing up at the polls.
If any of the firepups in lakeland can confirm or deny this (rwcole perhaps) I’d appreciate hearing from them.
I hear ya *ilson,what about the rights of women here?Sacrificed on the alter of GOP ideology.
Unless of ‘course”We The People” can stop it.
Me3
you are right about the resemblance – interesting in that that person was shoved way down my most hated list by the likes of Rove, Cheney and A******ton (just seeing that name in print results in a visceral response I dare not type out !)
Absentee ballots are always counted. Always!
spoken as a 20-year precinct committeeperson. I’d be willing to bet the life of one of my pitbabies that this rule is true everywhere in the USA.
There are so many episodes that are great. Gone Quiet, the episode where the sub has gone quiet in N. Korea. Galileo 5, Angel Maintenence. But my favorite episode might be when Josh, Toby and Donna miss the motorcade in Indiana, 20 Hours in America.
It’s the first episode in season Four. There are so many parts of that episode that are great. I’m Toby Ziegler, I work at the White House. The locals all saying, I didn’t vote for him the first time, not going to vote for him this time. When Toby and Josh snap because of the time zone change. However it is when President Bartlett gives the Speech to the teachers after the bombing at the swim event when he says
It’s one of those moments that you realize how great it would be to have a REAL leader of this country!
I haven’t seen that scene in years … thanks for the link.
recounts sometimes have variance limits — sometimes recounts have an automatic trigger if its really close. this varies from state to state. but absentee votes are always counted!
Rove indicted…next!
Dick Cheney’s Smoking Gun…
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
Thanks Wilson, that’s a relief.
I like the one where President Bartlett fails to act in a federal death penalty case and a prisoner is executed. Karl Malden plays Bartlett’s childhood parish priest and he’s summoned to the Oval Office to for council but Bartlett ends up giving confession. Karl Malden basically reprises the role he played in ‘On the Waterfront’ with Marlon Brando.
Other favs are the episode where Bartlett talks to the sailor on the radio in a hurricane, the episode where the Secret Service agent Mark Harmon is shot in NYC, and the episode where Bartlett gives that angry speech in the empty cathedral after Mrs. Landingham’s funeral.
Wilson @ 29
Can I just point out that prior to the invasion of Iraq women who wore the Bur’qa were usually either foreigners or prostitutes. The bur’qa was always very rare in Iraq – before the invasion and occupation. Now, outside the green zone it’s the norm.
Slightly different in Aghanistan because of the Taliban. Outside of Kabul any woman who wants to stay alive still wears one.
Has anyone been over to Atrios ? I can’t get a comment thread to load (1420 of ‘em may explain that) – The one on Frank RIch being “shrill” – is that snark ? What I’ve read from the column I certainly don’t find it shrill – what am I missing ?
Thanks *ilson for the info
n69n,
Can you explain a bumper sticker I saw on the car of a 29%er,â€W is for womenâ€,this alongside many “W ‘04″ stickers.
it means “I GOTCHER WOMENFOLK…RIGHT HERE!!!(crotchgrabbing moton)”
oh, i was bein a sarcastic smartass above, i hope you dont think i meant it….
in Frank Rich’s latest column he has come out and said that by their incompetence and machinations, the White House and Administration is full of traitors. If not shrill, maybe kinda aflutter?
Thanks for posting on this – I’ll miss my fantasy government after tonight. Christ knows the one we got (though I hesitate to call it “real”) gives me nothing but headaches. Anyways: one of my favorite episodes was Pres. Bartlett’s rage against God (in Latin, no less) in the National Cathedral, following the accidental death of his beloved secretary. The POTUS was pissed; he stubbed out a cigarette butt on the Cathedral floor. I can relate – part of the show’s strength, its commonalities – and the anger seems all the more appropriate now.
the “SHRILL” thing is a running joke begun when paul krugman was accused of being “TOO SHRILL”..not of being WRONG…just “TOO SHRILL”
Naw,I did’nt take it seriously,but used it for an excuse to ask about that stupid bumper sticker I saw.
I really wanted to keep on loving TWW after Sorkin left but some essential spirit had gone. The plot choices were off, the characters less likeable.
I had seen TWW as my weekly sanity break; wishful thinking about what our government could be instead of what it is. When I couldn’t do that anymore out of annoyance with the plot gyrations, I stopped watching entirely.
Still, I’m glad it had the time it did.
Happy day, Moms.
feral1 — me too, on Ainsley’s speech.
I love The West Wing and the positive vibes it sends about governing our country, in stark contrast to how the Bush Administration has abused that privilege. I’m really going to miss seeing governance with a conscience…even if it was fictional. I’ve got the first 5 seasons on DVD, and I just heard the 6th season has been released. Time to start dropping birthday hints.
Happy Mothers Day, Redd!
n69n @ 42 -
Thanks. That’s what I thought, just making sure I was keeping up
Voting was always like a holiday when I was growing up. Being a daughter of civil-rights era parents, they knew how important it was. I remember every election day my father would ask my mother if she voted yet. I remember going to the polls as a family, I remember being excited when I reached legal age. I was in awe of the machine itself, the automated curtain, the sense of privacy and securing the little lever.
I never questioned the integrity of the process until Bush/Gore – to me it was unthinkable that anyone would corrupt the foundation of our democracy.
As I have moved to other states I am struck by the casualness of the process. The most underwhelming experience was voting in the clubhouse of my gated community. They couldn’t find my name on the rolls (surprise) and I am certain my ballot was tossed when I left the room. They actually had card board boxes on the table.
I usually vote absentee now because I find the experience of going into trailers-posing-as-a- California-schoolroom and punching a stylus on card placed on a rickety table unequal to the experience that voting should be.
Here’s hoping this year is better. And if not I can rest assured knowing that somewhere in fantasy land Jimmy Smits is president.
Good post CHS, I have long been a fan of The West Wing. I tried to instill in my children the importance of political activism. They went with me door-to door to pass out flyers in support of local candidates and issues. One of my most inportant accomplishments I wrote about here. And now, here in OKC, years later many people are benefiting from it.
Also, I tried to instill in them a love of the arts. They were with me during all of the blocking and rehersals of the plays I wrote. They witnessed up close the pains of birth of creativity and sat with me at the place of honor among playwrights during the runs. These are memoties that they have taken forth, that small steps can lead to huge rewards and it is always the amount of effort that is proportional to the benefits.
It is hard to define a single episode of West Wing , it got to the point I just could not watch because when a fictional White House & President is what you dream of and the reality show is such a horror. West Wing is what a real WH should be.
But we have a Preznit who gots to sleep at 8pm,
VP who just drops off for his nappypoohs at any moment
You have liars, criminals current and past some previously pardoned who hold the reins to our lives and our futures.
My main talking point right now is “Who do you want working for your issues”
1. A Congress who will only be in session 97 days?
2. A President who is on a endless campaign tour (WHEN does that man do any work?)
3. Rip Van Winkle Cheney ?
4. Sec of State who finds it more important to shop for $1000 shoes than do the peoples business?
I want elected officals that put in their 40+ hr work weeks just like I do.
I want to know that there is someone behind that desk in the oval office WORKING on the peoples business.
I want to see congress and the senate meeting daily, putting in time, WORKING. Damn it is nice work when you can get it. A week vacation for St. Pat’s day then two weeks for Easter….
Joe Sixpack and all of us working stiffs understand what it is to put in our hours. The average worker year is 2080 hrs. Why do we allow our elected officals to put in 776 (8 * 97)?
katymine@55: 97 days a year is one of the reasons I hope to work for congress one day. talk about easy money!
I’ve been a WW addict from day one and also a lover of SportsNight. Sorkin is a master at words and expressing the values that I care about.
He also wrote the American President which had one of the great speeches at the end supporting the ACLU and liberty and justice for all.
In the first 4 seasons, my husband would sit together to watch it—the only show we always watched together. When it was over we were speechless. It was one masterpiece after another. We often would replay the tape (I always taped it) the next night or later in the week. With Cujo #31 I also was disappointed when Sorkin left after the fourth season. But it was still better than almost anything else on teevee period.
The Midterms, #213 season 3 was the great one with the Dr. Laura scene. Love it. Also loved Two Chathedrals with the scene in the Natl. Cathedral.
Season 5 had one really good one, the Supremes, with Glen Close nominated to be Chief Judge of the SCOTUS. It was on during the Alito hearings and I cried watching it and thinking of how screwed we are.
I own seasons 1-6 in DVD and would be glad to bring favorite episodes to YKos for late night viewing by fellow FDLers.
WW has been my preferred alternate universe for the past 7 years. I am truly bereft at it’s ending.
from the last thread: I don’t think they’ve told Laura that her audiences are (almost certainly) carefully screened to keep out the non-supporters.
If you haven’t done so already, am urging everyone to read the Who Is Your Hero
thread below -
have never seen WW, (although Allison Janney is an acting god!) think there are re runs on Bravo or A& E, I’ll have to check it out
Happy Mother’s Day to REdd and all FDL moms!
Peter Gabriel – Shaking the Tree”
Souma yergon, sou nou yergon, we are shakin’ the tree
Waiting your time, dreaming of a better life
Waiting your time, you’re more than just a wife
You don’t want to do what your mother has done
She has done
This is your life, this new life has begun
It’s your day – a woman’s day
Turning the tide, you are on the incoming wave
Turning the tide, you know you are nobody’s slave
find your brothers and sisters
Who can hear all the truth in what you say
They can support you when you’re on your way
It’s your day – a woman’s day
Souma yergon, sou nou yergon, we are shakin’ the tree
There’s nothing to gain when there’s nothing to be lost
There’s nothing to gain if you stay behind and count the cost
Make the decision that you can be who you can be
You can be
Tasting the fruit come to the liberty tree
It’s your day – a woman’s day
…
Souma yergon, sou nou yergon, we are shakin’ the tree…
haha, laura doesn’t believe in science! liberal media out to get her hubby! Won’t someone think of the terrarists!
Actually, from what I understand of electoral law, it is no longer a requirement that states tally absentee ballots. It’s only required that states tally them if the number of absentee ballots exceeds the margin of victory (one candidate over another, or one proposition over another). This requirement doesn’t mean that states can’t tally the ballots unless this situation occurs, it only means they don’t have to. It’s up to, I believe, each state’s Secretary of State.
This provision is, I believe, from the “Help America Vote Act” (HAVA). Tried to find a quick Google reference but couldn’t; this info is based on my memory of my Election Protection training back in 2004.
http://www.electionprotection2004.org/
Oh, and for mom’s day there was the episode where Abby is going to do a dedication for a Nelly Bly statue and Jed does not remember who Nelly Bly was . . . which gets in the way of her wanting to put on a “special garment” after he gets the all clear to “jump” her again —a term he uses. The episode also has Ainsley Hayes and John Laroquette as Lionel Tribbey wielding a cricket bat.
It’s a hoot. “And It’s Surely to Their Credit” #205
Midterms is #203, I mistyped.
My emotional bond with the show is strong enough that I would have been devastated if the Republicans had won this last election.
Thanks for the great links!
I have never watched The West Wing! But that clip you had on was great! I guess I will have to get the individual seasons on DVD, which will come out soon, I am sure.
katymine @ 10:00 am (#55) – I think one of the things we should do if we want our Congresspeople in session more often is have primary elections on the same day in every state. The demands for being in the home district around election time are among the reasons they’re not in DC very much. At least if they all had a primary the same week they could just take two or three weeks off before that day to campaign.
Game on. The MSM FINALLY gets it. Check out the cover of this week’s “Newsweek” at http://www.newsweek.com. They’ve finally made the jump from “spying on terrorists” to “spying on YOU”.
a nice little mother’s day gift from Josh -
apologies if posted already
Satan’sFingerprints
Could be an interesting week- Rove gets nailed, the spying scandal picks up steam. Goopers try to decide whether to defend Clusterfuck’s sorry ass or throw him under the train- and then a few new polls at the end of the week signalling the beginning of the end.
Watch for the “I” word to start popping up-
Impeach the Fucker!
For those who have not watched the WW, they are showing the pilot tonight at 7 ET. It has a wonderfully delicious scene at the end where Bartlet takes down the wingnuts.
A couple of lifetimes and professions ago I waited on tables with the guy who plays Rev. Caldwell.
Watch it and see why the rest of us got hooked!
I watched the West Wing religously for the first few seasons, but then (like a few other posters) thought it got tired and tiresome, so I stopped. I did watch a few episodes last season, since (also like some of the other posters) I adore Alan Alda, but once the thrill is gone, it’s hard to get it back. I’ll watch it tonight, though, for old times’ sake.
Speaking of doing something religiously, I have a quick question for RevDeb: Are you going to bring the Unitarian message to pastordan’s interfaith service at YearlyKos? I can’t think of a better messenger, Michael Servetus being dead and all. *g*
I like “And It’s Surely To Their Credit”, which is Ainsley’s first day on the job. She’s told by her boss to talk to a couple of the people in the Communications Office because they did something. The two guys decide to take revenge by leaving dead flowers with an anonymous note (”Bitch”) on her desk. Sam sees this and knows exactly who did it.
He runs up to the office and basically gives them a piece of his mind, then finishes by saying “When I write something I sign my name to it.” He yanks the calendar off one of the two guys’ desks and writes in big bold letters “You’re fired. S. Seaborn.” They protest that Sam can’t do that and White House Counsel Tribbey says “Oh, yes he can. It’s time for you to go write your book now.”
I loved that ep because even though Sam had been totally humilated by Ainsley in the previous episode, he’s the one who goes to bat for her when she needs it.
BarbaraB,
Haven’t been asked. All things being equal, I thought I’d really want to get involved in StreetProphets, but I have found FDL to be my blog home so I don’t hang out there much.
If PD wants a UU and doesn’t have one, I’d be glad to oblige.
cbl thanks for catching my homage last thread. And for doing good democracy work. And Happy Mother’s Day!
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Amazing. I haven’t seen many episodes. Sorkin does have a way, eh? Both WW and SN – brilliant.
The Toby/homeless Korean vet was astounding. That last five minutes that cuts back and forth between the choir at the WH singing Little Drummer Boy and the 21 gun salute at Arlington w/Mrs. Lanningham there too. Matches anything I’ve ever seen on TV.
And the National Cathedral too. Is that the one w/flashback to his schoolboy days and Mrs L. was the school secretary?
And the one where he announces for reelection with that almost-naughty-boy-expression.
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William O. Douglas (wrote Griswold decision):
“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there’s a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”
Speaking of television & politics — Dumbya’s prime-time address Monday is screwing up the scheduling for the second half of the “hottest new primetime soap opera” finale (Grey’s Anatomy). So now he’s managed to alienate even the TOTALLY APOLITICAL Americans that little bit extra. Maybe Karl has been told no pre-emptive pardons, and this is his kind of retaliation?
cbl @ 10:25 am (#68) – I’m trying to read the handwritten notes at the top. Looks like:
Send an Amb. to answer (?) a question?
Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us?
Or did his wife send him out on a junket?
Clearly, they knew at that time that Wilson’s wife was in the CIA. Whether they remembered she was undercover …?
RevDeb — I think PD is relying on volunteers. He posted a diary about it. Please do let him know you are willing. (My only contribution to that diary was to request that there be coffee, so that Unitarians could observe thir most important ritual, the Veneration of the Urn — and to thank him for making secular humanists feel welcome.)
I look forward to meeting you and I hope a whole bunch of other FDLers in Las Vegas.
Any decent video store has the complete to date WW on DVD, so nobody has to buy them or search Bravo to see reruns. I’m currently working my way through season 3 at $2.00 per disc for a 4 DVD set. A great series.
CBL – Bravo!! handing out cookies and watching those polls is a very good thing to do!
Come visit my post on other things we can do over at MFI’s place:
http://gorillasguides.blogspot.com/
(shameless but jazzed to have my first front page blog post!)
and for more incentives to pick up those phones or join the NetRoots State Project, don’t miss the AK47 story MFI mentioned which is on his markfromireland site – it’s just below mine at:
http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/
Cujo359 @ 77
IANAP I Am Not A Plameologist – by that I mean I am lucky to follow the narrative as provided by all the ‘Plamey’s’ here – but who in the hell handed that over to a prosecutor ?!?!? jeebus
and yes, that is pretty much what Inseney wrote
BarbaraB
If you have a link to PD’s diary, I will follow up. Didn’t see it, but it was a cursory look. Oh, and I’m a tea/hot choc. person myself. Never did like the taste of coffee. Get my caffeine from Dew.
What about Commander in Chief which I loved when it first started and I keep wondering how and why it was sabotaged. Any body else like the first woman president?
rwcole – how is Mrs. RW ? – was thinking of you both when I saw the blurb about FDA & Green Tea
BarbaraB: What’s the dates for YearlyKos?
Like several of you my favorite is the Karl Madden as Jed’s priest episode. When Jed first sees his priest in the oval office he asks him to address him as “Mr. President” in honor of the office.”
At the end when the President realizes he was wrong in his dicision, the priest asks, “Jed,would you like to for me to hear you confession?” Reminding us all that God is no respector of persons.
Ian Masters interviewing Jason Leopold now:
http://www.kpfk.org/
David E, thanks for sharing that letter. Nice to see people take a stand against these liars.
I am really pissed at Bush the more I think about his speechlet on Monday night. He is a little, little man who is unable to face the nation under real hard questions. Our MSM sucks eggs, every one of them. If they were any kind of loyal and loving patriotic Americans, they would black out his speech until he can answer questions that have not be “prepared” for him and quit turning over the airwaves every time he whistles. Too bad our country isn’t even a little like what Blair faces in the house of commons. Not that it helps them very much…
Happy Mother’s Day to all you Mothers and Mother F*ckers. :)
Hmm, Leopold on my local Pacifica station right now defending his Rove story. He says he has “more than two” very reliable sources. Says plea agreement rejected. Rove given 24 “business” hours to get his things in order. Says the level of detail he recieved from sources was too detailed to ignore.
Leopold says that if his sources has burned him on this story, they know they’ll be outed.
“[Rove] has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order.”
Leopold’s positioning truthout vs. NYT & WaPo: they might not have his sources, but NYT sat on NSA story for a year. Admits sounding defensive. Wants major outlets to confirm story to validate truthout.
Claims to have done fact-checking and independent confirmation.
MERRY FITZMAS EVERYONE!
Jason Leopold on Truthout just posted Rove was indicted Friday evening. Larry Johns concurs on TalkLeft.
Fitz’s announcement coming early next week.
Break out the champagne
YearlyKos is June 8-11.
Don’t know if this showed up earlier re Mother’s Day
Peace indeed
RevDeb
al-Scooter – I just posted a comment on that, but it’s stuck in moderation. :-(
new thread
Let’s see if this gets me off moderation.
Leopold: Indictment is seald but will become public in 24 business hours (from Friday night?).
Expects public announcement “…anytime after Monday of this week.”
I don’t watch the west wing anymore. It remeinds me too much of Disneyland (where all your dreams come true) or Vegas (where you go to pretend you really are in Paris) We do that entirely too much in this country. If we want good people to run this country we need to focus on how we do that – not on some Hollywood fantasy. With all due respect.
RevDeb — No coffee? Are you sure you’re ordained? *g* I’m a total technoklutz, so I don’t know how to do links. I’m pretty sure you can find it by using the DailyKos search engine, though. There’s a tag for YearlyKos.
ccmask: June 8-11. You can get to the YearlyKos website either through DailyKos or by going directly to its separate website. I can’t do links in html, but after the “www.” type in yearlykos.org and you’ll get there. There’s a tab at the top that will take you to the schedule. The “FDL caucus” is meeting Thursday afternoon (the 8th) and the Plame panel is on Friday. I think Pach is organizing an FDL breakfast, too. I hope you can come; the schedule already looks wonderful and I understand that most of the potential Democratic candidates for ‘08 are making the pilgrimage, although last time I looked only Mark Warner had been announced.
Thanks grandmaJ-are you going?
—the following is a little long but I figured I’d save everyone the trip :)
Posted today, at the Evangelical Outpost.com
Derailing the Straight Talk Express:
Why John McCain Must Be Stopped
The fact that McCain is even being considered shows how little attention Republicans have actually paid to the record of the eighteen year Senate veteran. McCain has a tendency to throw his support behind measures that, while well-intentioned, overstep the legitimate authority of the federal government. Campaign-finance reform, for example, attempted to correct a legitimate problem but has morphed into a Constitutionally-suspect unmitigated disaster.
snip:
His latest crusades provide even more examples for why he shouldn’t be considered a serious candidate. While our country is facing grave concerns like global terrorism and the dehumanizing effects of biotechnology, McCain has his attention focused on professional sports.
The fact that McCain’s top legislative priority is establishing a federal regulatory entity to monitor a sport in which two men pummel each other, is further evidence that he isn’t ready to take the next step as a national leader. When you find your agenda aligns with that of Don King and you’re more concerned about the “credibility of [boxing] in the eyes of the public†than you are with the credibility of the Senate, it sends a signal to serious Republicans that you’re not quite ready to sit in the Oval Office. If the GOP wants to avoid a trainwreck in 2008, they need to take measures now to derail McCain’s “Straight Talk Express.â€
snip
Then, from the “comments” section (Which is a big surprise in itself), we have this:
Neither did President Bush explain after he made a similar reference to drugs & professional sports in his State of the Union Address before Congress. You still re-elected him President. Your gonna hafta try harder than that.
Isn’t the REAL problem that you have with McCain is that he is a moderate and even at times a liberal on social issues? You also go out of your way NOT to mention any of his good qualities, such as pork control.
I wouldn’t worry too much about McCain. It’s hard to see how Rove would permit him to become President. Rove did after all stop him in the 2000 Primary quite easily with a whisper campaign inferring McCain is gay.
It was Gay-baiting practice for the 2004 election, apparently. Not to mention breaking the ice for getting the public used to attacking war heroes. Rove has already stated that his new goal post-election is to see that “conservative” Republicans stay in control of the Government for the foreseeable future. That leaves McCain out. Evidently Rove does have the One Ring to rule them all. You know, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Christian ever criticize Rove’s sleazy campaign tactics even once. No matter how depraved they became. SNIP
Me: The big mention about McCain’s speech yesterday seems to be the line that people against the war should be able to use their right of free speech. Like a bird dropping, he offered this to us freedom lovin’ libs… just in case there are any so drunk they can’t get off da fence. However, if you want 4 more years of Bush, vote for McCain.
Thanks REVDEB.
RevDeb — I’m going to try a cut and paste link, but if it doesn’t work, the diary title is God and Yearly Kos, written by pastordan April 28.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/28/141038/473
You did it Barbara–link worked. Congrats!
Happy day to all the mothers out there.
Places to go, people to see, etc.
GrandmaJ – are you joining us in Vegas? I’m crossing my fingers the answer is yes!
June 8-11 – it’s going to be amazing – and we have more announcements coming …
hotel discounts end tomorrow so give the Riviera a call if you haven’t booked yet
I can’t wait!
Aaron Sorkin and I appear to share a love of fine hirstories and fine psilocybin. I trust this second failed prohibition will end soon. Telling the truth and standing up for truth can lead to change. In a time of universal deceit telling the truth as Sorkin did and Colbert did is a revolutionary act. The definition of Bush league insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time.
So never ever doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed anarchist assassins can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever really has.
These actors are good, but it is the WRITERS who put words into their mouths. The intelligent, well-read, insightful writers, with full hearts showing. My spouse is a writer, and seldom in public gets credit for his words. (PS Jane: the spouse writes SciFi thrillers,BTW). Let’s not forget that actors need something to work with, and don’t just stand up alone and say the things they do on the spot. The showrunners too have to stand up and defend what they show, and in a good show, they are the knights on steeds that joust with big business to get their work to the screen.
There was an episode about a Korean piano prodigy who sought asylum. The President had to turn him down to preserve arms-talks. The young man explained the Korean concept of “Han”. Then he played beautifully and stoically accepted his fate; sacrificing his own individual desire for liberty for the greater good of a safer world. Americans have no fucking clue how lucky they are, that’s why it doesn’t bother them when the government takes away their rights. BTW-the episode ended with the Chinese walking out of the arm-talks because their table wasn’t big enough.
Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms!
I love WW, though I did stop watching it for a while after Sorkin left; too many problems w/the writing, and I couldn’t bear it. But I started watching it again these last few episodes, and found it was much improved from the early post-Sorkin days, though never the same of course. I’ve got the first season on DVD, and am also Tivo-ing the reruns on Bravo.
I actually wrote a graduate paper about two episodes, Two Cathedrals (already mentioned) and the filibuster episode w/the guy whose grandson is autistic. I recently saw again the one where Josh is suffering PTSD and Adam Arkin comes in to “therapize” him. Classic Sorkin writing, really well done. But it’s impossible to pick out just one episode when there are so many great ones. Though the gap between WW’s political reality and our own can be depressing, I more often find the show inspiring.
What I did this weekend: tabled at a community festival and educated some folk about the Real ID act and NSA spying. Feels like drops in a bucket, but I know they add up.
gonna’ miss WW. The best hour of television I ever saw was “Two Cathedrals.”
There are so many good eps. The first one (which they are showing tonight). Two Cathedrals, Let Bartlett be Bartlett (when Leo makes that great speech to the staff). I’m hoping tonight’s good.
My favorite—I don’t remember the episode– was a quote from Toby that has stayed with me: “We all need some therapy, because somebody came along and said ‘liberal’ means soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on Communism, soft on defense, and we’re gonna tax you back to the Stone Age because people shouldn’t have to go to work if they don’t want to. And instead of saying ‘Well, excuse me, you right-wing, reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-education, anti-choice, pro-gun, “Leave it to Beaver” trip back to the fifties,’ we cowered in the corner and said ‘Please, don’t hurt me.’ No more.”
I wish I could believe the fantasy that we get the government we wish for. In fact, we get to vote for candidates that come from god knows where who have been pre approved and vetted by party professionals based on requirements that have nothing to do with our own priorities or needs. Campaigns are laregly stylized theater and outcomes are mostly irrelevant. Of course, Bush has proven to be so extreme that even outsiders like Chomsky and Zinn were taking sides with the dimwit democrats in the last election. Still, it’s a rigged contest. Whoever wins, we have little or no say in who gets to run. So where is the democracy in that?
Like Blank Kludge (#75), I think Gloria in Excelsis with the Korean vet was a great hour of TV.
The quality of the show fell off a cliff after Sorkin left. It was unwatchable for a while — people working in a serious office acting like Valley Girls. But after a disastrous season, it got better — never again as good as the Sorkin years, but good enough to watch for old times sake.
It’s 9 pm Eastern Time, and I just lost my President.
Respect for the office of the President by the man who is the President, and by all those working in his cabinet, was such a focal point of West Wing. Now that the show is gone, it’s back to watching what the jackal who now occupies the office does to bring shame upon it.
Christy, I apologize for not writing a comment re: The West Wing, however I notice in the post that you love science fiction, which is something about you that I haven’t noticed before. I love science fiction too. I’m wondering if you’ve read Samuel Delaney, who’s my favorite science fiction writer, as well as the writer of my favorite novel of any genre, Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand. Trouble on Triton is also great. Delaney is one of those science fiction writers about whom you speak in your post, in my opinion. If you’re not aware of Delaney or these novels, then I highly recommend you check him and them out.
I also lost interest when Sorkin left. I had been (and still am) a huge fan of Sports Night and was bitter that he’d gone to work on “this new Rob Lowe show”. And then I caught the first episode and realized that I could have my cake and eat it, too (until the plug go pulled on SN). For all those Sorkin fans here, you should be aware that he’s working on a new show for this fall called Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Another writer that I enjoy the work of has read the pilot and says he wants to break Aaron’s hands and give up writing. So there’s hope. ;)
As far as favorite episodes, it’s hard for me to pick because there’s been so many good ones. One aspect that I think doesn’t get highlighted in Sorkin’s work is his way with a budding romance. Whether it’s Danny and C.J. on West Wing or Dan and Rebecca on Sports Night, I always found the banter and awkwardness to be delightful.
I would just LUUUUVVVVVV to see President Gore, sometime in 2009, wipe the floor with some of these christianists floating around in our midst. I think I’ll have cookies and milk, record it, and watch it over and over and over and over and over…….
Not to be picky or anything, but did anyone notice that the publicity shot in this article shows the (TV) President and his co-horts *standing* on the Constitution?
Was that intended as some sort of comment by the photographer or art director?
I’m suprise someone hasn’t gotten all inflamed about this.
Just wondering…
“He shall from time to time.”
Bartlett has just gotten a Latin translation of the Constitution from the guy left to pick up the pieces if some disaster should wipe out the State of the Union, and he asks him if he knows what to do.
The guy says not really, and Bartlett tells him to get the Joint Chiefs, hold a press conference and talk to his Chief of Staff.
He says he doesn’t have one, and doesn’t know who it should be.
“Do you have a best friend?”
Yes.
Is he smarter than you are?
Yes.
Do you trust him with your life?
Yes.
That’s your Chief of Staff”
And it so rarely is. To have someone in the staff who can sit down and be a friendly advisor, who can tell the president he’s wrong. who can pull him up short by reminding him that he is the president and his actions are more important than his emotions, that’s what having a Chief of Staff who is all those things means to me.
It’s all the little things like that in the show which make me like it (and I am watcing it, slowly, for the first time, all on DVD).
TK