For those who don’t know me, I write a blog called Roger Ailes . Jane has graciously asked me to contribute a Sunday Morning Heads Recap post to firedoglake, and I’d like to thank her for the opportunity. Yesterday at 4:00 p.m., I was praying that I do a better job than Tim Russert.
Why recap? Well, last week one of my commenters asked me, "It’s Sunday afternoon, and people are watching some horsesh*t tv program about politics? No wonder everyone’s so fat." So read this post, and you can spend your weekend more productively and drop a few pounds as well.
There will be certain gaps in the coverage. In my cable market, all four broadcast head shows run at the same time (8:00 to 9:00 a.m.). (There are second showings of Meet the Press and Fox News Sunday at 10:00 a.m.) So, for example, I missed the bit where Laura Bush declared herself a feminist by blinking her eyes in Morse Code.
Our topics today: Privacy invasion, the Hayden confirmation, National Guard mobilization, Newt Gingrich’s bloviation, shills for the Administration, and Mom.
Invasion of Privacy On Face the Nation, National Security adviser Stephen Hadley could neither confirm nor deny that the Administration is collecting the telephone records of millions of Americans, but assured us that the Administration was doing nothing illegal and besides the courts have held that there’s no right to privacy in business records and besides FISA’s legal structures are not designed for today’s problems. Besides, Bush has made it very clear that he only authorizes legal activity. Bob Scheiffer’s interrogation of Hadley went nowhere.
General Hayden On This Week, Sens. Chuck Hagel and Joe Biden assured Geo. Stephanopoulos that they’re going to ask General Hayden questions before they confirm him as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Rogaine Joe assured us that sterling Hayden was "first rate" and "a man of honor," and the consensus credited Hayden with standing up to Dick Cheney (except in the wiretapping and phone records cases and whatever else we don’t know about). On Late Edition, Senator Patrick Leahy said the problem was the Bush Administration, and not Hayden. Why not both?
Immigration Sens. Hagel and Biden both snickered at Bush’s plan to have National Guard troops stationed at one of America’s two borders. It seems the plan is unrealistic, given the lenghty commute times between Iraq, Afghanistan and the American Southwest. On CNN, Senator Bill Frist enthusiastically endorsed the idea of dispatching the National Guard to the netherlands of California, Arizona and Texas. And while we’re at it, First would like a nice wall, and it doesn’t have to be 30 feet tall for the entire run.
On Face the Nation, Hadley could neither confirm nor deny that Bush’s Monday address will propose mobilization of the National Guard. (CNN, on the hand, has already deployed Larry King to the border as part of its 5-hour package surrounding the address.)
Newt Gingrich How do you defend the indefensible? If you’re Newt Gingrich, you call it "totally legal." On Meet the Press, Newt explained to a docile Tim Russert that he has nothing against the government tracking your telephone calls. Newt’s real beef is that the President didn’t disclose the program before going forward; had he done so, 90 percent of the country would have said "go right ahead, and plant a microchip in my lip while you’re at it."
Newt also decried partisanship moments after deriding "San Francisco/Vermont Democrats" and backtracked from every one of his past statements critical of the Administration and the G.O.P. On Iran, Newt averred that a second front in Persia was eminently doable. We’re not overextended, you see, we’re "only limited by our own psychology." Speak for yourself, Newt.
Newt also defended his well-established unethical conduct, stating that the $300,000 he paid to the House represented the cost of the investigation, not a fine, and that he took full responsibility for all of his attorney’s errors.
Laura Bush and Mary Cheney A desperate White House summoned both Chris Wallace and Geo. Stephanopoulos to afternoon tea with Laura Bush. Asked by Stephanopoulos why her husband’s ratings continue to circle the drain, Laura revealed that the Presidency is a difficult job. She also vouched that most Americans actually approve of her husband’s job performance, based on her personal interactions at Republican campaign events.
On Fox, dullard Mary Cheney revealed to Chris Wallace that she came this close … this close … to quitting the Bush campaign because of Bush’s support for the Federal Marriage Amendment. Had it been something important, like the estate tax, she would have been long gone.
Bob Scheiffer’s Mom At the end of Face the Nation, Bob recited some generic Mother’s Day doggerel that assured us Mom will take our side no matter what. You don’t know my mom, Bob.
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Roger!
reposting from end of last thread:
I’m not sure on all the speculation about the pardon question. It seems improbable that this could politically be done before November – the GOP is already at a disadvantage and if the Bush Administration had to face a Democrat controlled House or Senate for two years it would not be comfortable times (impeachment or no impeachment). That is unless the WH is already resigned to November losses. The other uncertainty is precisely how low W’s approval rating could actually go. If you look at the historical comparison of JARs over at Political Arithmetik, Ford’s seems to have dropped around 30% after the Nixon pardon (http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/2005/11/presidential-approval -in-historical.html ). Now, I think the basement for W could not quite get to 0% ;), but that’s still a massive political gamble to take (especially if Fitzgerald has some more charges up his sleave). Are you feeling lucky punk? Well, are you?
Roger, welcome, and it’s great to have you posting here. FDL’s guest posters are da bomb. And your recap has saved me not only from couch-potatoism, but an ulcer as well. Thanks for watching so I didn’t have to!
Fitz?
My second fitz of the day. What can I say. Sometimes it feels like something has changed, kind of like a shifting magnetism. Don’t need RSS.
Roger thanks for watching these shows so I can retain small shreds of sanity. Liked what you said about your mom. People say they just want their children to be happy. My reaction is, No, I want my children to serve God. If they are also happy that’s great.
One good thing about my mother is that she hates George W. Bush.
That’s the one good thing about my mother.
Sigh…
Nice to see you here, Roger Ailes Not the Bad One. My condolences on watching the bobbleheads, but if someone has to report on it, it’s good that it’s someone we can trust to give us the straight poop.
And speaking of poop, Mary Cheney sure is making the rounds trying to hawk her book. She only leaves her weird little closet when she needs to shill for something, doesn’t she? Makes me wonder what her partner is like, and what exactly she finds attractive about Mary. Other than her money, of course…
Slimeball Gingrich is already backtracking on NSA!—playing the “Morally Outraged Repug” game patented by Arlen Spector and licensed to John McCain & Chuck Hagel:
1) Speak out about the latest BuchCo outrage as if it really outraged you. Demand accountability, threaten dire unstated consequences
2) Wait 48 hours, or until Sunday morning, whichever is shorter.
3) Make believe you didn’t say what you said at 1), appear thoughtful, evenhanded
4) the Monday following start spouting Mehlman’s poll-tested NRC talking points.
5) repeat
She also vouched that most Americans actually approve of her husband’s job performance, based on her personal interactions at Republican campaign events.
So, “most Americans” consist of people invited to GOP campaing events? Interesting take on the world.
Thanks so much, Roger. Great to have you on board.
Bob Schieffer doesn’t know my mother, either.
To ‘gg’s point above, I guess it’s pretty clear Laura doesn’t get out very much…certainly not amongst us little people.
Is it my birthday??? I haven’t read a word of the summary yet, but have to yell, “Hurray!” A damn fabulous site addition.
Robert,
It’s actually “GQ”, not “GG”…
The current WH bubble is resembling the same bubble the Court of Louis XVI was operating under.
I imagine Laura channeling Marie,”Let them eat fast food. My man is as popular as ever.”
Thanks Roger. You aren’t some alter ego of the fox dude paying your penitence are you?
Now that you’re on the case I won’t feel guilty about going to church anymore.
Feel free to wear a helmet and pad your walls.
T-
Roger, every word of that post was both delicious and nutritious. Thanks for distillations so artful, informative, and short (for us busy people)!
Just finished reading the book thread. Dayam, quel discussion.
well, at least Laura said politicians shouldn’t use gay marriage as a political football … that the issue should be handled with sensitivty … is this confirmation that Karl Rove is already indicted and out of the loop?
welcome roger! i was wondering what is your take on the way cheney’s name is starting to be circulated as the one who ‘asked the NSA to collect the phone info’. could they be setting him up to take the heat off bush by resigning– and since he is so despised anyway, killing two birds (sorry for that metaphor on a sunday!) with one stone? then he’s free to go back to making billions war profiteering…
Thanks Roger for a really good summary. I watched Newt with Timmeh and as FDL’er GHenry commented this morning, Timmeh didn’t give Newt the “Pelosi treatment.”
Press the Meat Transcript 14 May 2006
IMO Newt is the real threat. His performance was a brilliant dissembling, and imo identifies the talking points the GOP will use to try and hold onto Congress.
Roger, your words always bring a smile and a “right on” salute! Thanks.
Roger,
Are you going to make this a weekly feature?
I would love to see that happen.
well, at least Laura said politicians shouldn’t use gay marriage as a political football
I take this to mean that she is laying the groundwork for the GOP to make it a political issue. Step one is always to pretend you’re not playing politics.
Thanks Roger. “Her eyes blinked in morse code”. That is one for the books. HYSTERICAL.
I am impressed that you could watch that stuff. I saw only two minutes of Sunday with George and that was more than enough. After a short clip of John McCain speaking at Jerry Falwell’s university, David Brooks, the dumbest man on the planet, said that McCain is not not courting the religious right. Apparently McCain’s act of political fellatio doesn’t qualify in the Babbling Brooks’s eyes. BTW why hasn’t Brooks been officially declared brain dead? He hasn’t shown any significant activity in the region north of his neck in years.
looseheadprop – yes Roger will be here as a regular Sunday poster, something I for one am VERY excited about.
I agree sharkbabe, the book thread was electric. It felt to me like an online political version of what the Vienna Circle must have been like.
Jane -
unlike my calvinist husband, I don’t believe there is such a thing as too much of a good thing and your following the last thread with a post by Roger Ailes proves it –
Thank you for the fabulous post Roger, truly hope you enjoy your stay in the Land of the Firedogs
Book Salon over Firepups, it’s an all skate !
rapid blinking is evidence of lying, or so say the people who study this stuff (police, lawyers, etc)
My personal favorite, when Big Russ attributed the vast Republican budget deficits of the past six years to spending on the “welfare state.”
Welfare state? For who? Programs for the poor have been cut. But why let facts get in the way of an opportunity to blame the poor, and from a guy who just got a $50,000 tax cut no less?
Now I know where the term, “the ugly American” comes from.
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Always, FDL keeps on getting better and better! Jane and all, if you ever want another discussion subject to complement books, just saw Spielberg’s “Munich” and I found the “we never do business with governments you can’t trust ‘em” theme a timely component of this devastating story.
On the wiretapping–has it been established whether these were landlines only? Somewhere I read [heard?] that cell phones were not included. Another hurrah for my provider, Qwest, for just sayin’ no…and all the ramifications that provides for why the govt just dropped them. Or so one assumes. Did they really? Could they get the info without Qwest cooperation? Why would I not be surprised if they did….
And the last of tonight’s trifecta of topics pour moi: would be such delicious symmetry if the Irishman indicted the latter-day in-his-own-mind Norseman on Syttende Mai. Tuesday, May 17, Norwegian Independence Day.
brkily @ 18 – my thoughts also. don’t forget those NYT doodles.
John Casper@ 26
I am immodest enough to remind everyone I was the first to refer to this place as The Algonquin of the Blogisphere
Has anyone seen this from thewashingtonnote.com…
I haven’t been able to confirm what Jason Leopold has reported:
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.
During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
Robert Luskin, Rove’s attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.
It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.
An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case.
But if he’s on target, this is huge news.
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Happy Fitzmas!!!
I had a few good comments on my blog. It’s a scholarship blog, so they don’t let me copy/paste into here. The first question was about the NSA spying and wiretapping and Fitzgerald, posted at 9:06 pm by Fox is Fake news.
http://www.progressiveu.org/13…..e-deserves
The other point Fox is Fake News had was about the tv coverage of Cheney (9:22pm).
On another thread, someone posted that this weekends Cindy Sheehan and moms against the war vigils were blacklisted by the media.
I don’t get a chance to post here often, but Zennurse would probably vouch for me. (Yes, adopted mom, I’ve done my studying and the finals are over for now. *wink*) So trust me, I’m not ‘blogwhoring’ but what I’m trying to do is get answers to my question about Fitzgerald. Also, I’d like to get FDL involved in fighting back at Fox.
Even if Mary’s just trying to shill her book (and let’s be honest, that’s really what she’s doing), she’s STILL made herself the poster child of the Marriage Amendment. (Love the irony: This is exactly what she said she didn’t want.) Like it or not, the gay marriage debate now has a face, and it happens to belong to the Vice President’s daughter, who is conveniently a blond white woman. That’s a HUGE development. And I think Laura’s involvement is significant, too. She never veers far off message. I think the Rove wing of the party is now tip-toeing away from this thing.
Prairie Sunshine says: “…the latter-day in-his-own-mind Norseman…”
May 14th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Who is he, please?
For years I’ve spent my Sunday mornings flipping around and catching bits and pieces of Stephanopoli, Pumpkinhead, Scheiffer and C-Span. My wife (what would I do without her?) shakes her head in response to my impassioned argument with the tv. She wonders why I keep tuning in and it’s a good question. I suppose my answer would be that it pays to know your enemy.
Lately my tolerance has waned and I find myself tuning out as soon as my blood pressure is starts to creep…
Had a long conversation with a friend over dinner last night, he is a Swiss national living/working in the U.S. for the last three years. He doesn’t own a TV and he gets all his news from European radio on-line, the BBC, the Economist et al. and he is convinced that there will be no war in Iran. His take is that the combination of the U.S. military being stretched beyone the breaking point, Russian and Chinese interests in Iran (energy), the complete loss of support from all of Europe (and Tony Blair’s lame duck status) as well as the administration’s loss of support/political capital at home spells doom for their next pre-emptive adventure. I told him how nuts these guys are and that they have visions of “tactical nukes” answering the weakened military capability problem.
I hope he’s right.
Fitz don’t fail me now.
Frist may be right about the wall, in a sense he likely never intended. It might stimulate trade in brand new ways and sort of smooth out the humps and bumps created by NAFTA. Canadian lumber companies sell lumber to American companies which then use cheap Mexican labor to make necessary household items for Wal-Mart to sell to coyotes to help them ply their trade–ladders.
Prairie Sunshine says:
May 14th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
I don’t know whether they can get ALL the calls without Qwest’s participation, but certainly the vast majority. Qwest is a lot smaller than the other telecos and only Qwest to Qwest calls which did not cross over any other telecos lines or switching stations would be left out. I would guess that after Qwest refused they analyzed some data and did some projections and figured that only a fraction of the nations calls would not be collected so they didn’t push as hard as they might have otherwise.
I heard on Tom Hartman today that there is a book out about the data-mining done before the Holocaust. I didn’t catch the name though.
Thanks Roger. This was far better than the crap I just read over at Redstate:
Actually, the whole bit about the children is really funny-sad. Starts near the top of this transcript page. Check it out.
OT~
Farewell President Bartlet…
R. Singer says:
May 14th, 2006 at 5:45 pm
Scan the last couple of threads, not including the book discussion, and you will see an exhaustive discussion of the report.
Al Swearengen (29) — Oh. My. God. You’re sh*tting me, Pumkinhead actually blamed the deficits on the “welfare state”???
What a complete moron. Talk about blatant pandering to the corporatist upper-most decile. Explains why the f*ck I had an argument with a conservative this weekend about “people who’ved lived on welfare for 3 to 4 generations”…General Electric and its major shareholders are damned determined to perpetuate this myth. It’s projection at its finest, the organizations receiving the most welfare projecting it on the weakest and poorest.
Agh. I’m so glad I missed Rumpkinhead’s blithering.
Roger – One suggestion. Please do the review by show, not by topic.
And a bit more snark and ooomph please.
You missed this NEWS FLASH!!!: Senator Frist should be investigated by the DOJ because he leaked classified information on Late Edition.
R. Singer: from Christy’s talking head post:
“Just a quick note on the “is he or isn’t he” indictment reporting, and all the resulting speculation, I have heard nothing to independently confirm or deny the stories — so I’m hopeful (who doesn’t want Rove indicted? Well, other than the entire GOP hierarchy…), but it’s really impossible for me to comment on anything when I know nothing more than what everybody else has read. Sorry, I know that’s not very satisfying, but it’s always been my personal policy to try and independently verify things where I can before commenting on something this important and I’m coming up with nothing other than everyone’s interested to see what happens next week. As always, I’ve got champagne chilled and at the ready…just in case.”
IMO, Leopold doesn’t have any sources that are telling him what he reports they are telling him. That doesn’t mean, however, this his reports are inaccurate.
OT, if Leopold is accurate, imo it is because Fitzgerald sealed the Rove indictments and wants them kept secret. If my surmise is accurate, this strongly suggests that Leopold could care less if he is undermining Fitzgerald’s investigation and helping the WH and the GOP; he subordinates all those to “scooping” everyone else.
Why would anyone “leak” only to Jason Leopold?
On balance, however, if I had to bet, I would bet that his latest stories are mostly accurate.
Jane,
BTW your mailbox is full. I sent you an email acouple days ago (nothing importnt) and each day since I’ve gotten a message saying it could not be delivered B/C box is full.
If KArl Rove or Dead eye try to email their full confessions to you, they won’t be able to get through!
Jay #37,
Over at The Washington Note, Steve Clemons says his sources tell him scores of generals would resign if a large scale operation against Iran “looked likely”. I tend to agree with that assessment given the huge resentment of retired generals, the recruiting shortfalls, and revelations of us having to send in troops with mental illness.
Roger, thank you so much for watching the Sunday shows so we can take our dogs for a walk, work in our gardens or just have a leisurely breakfast. This blog gets better and better – and we, the readers are the best informed citizens ever.
Thank you, Roger. I can’t bear to watch those programs on Sunday. Makes me want to curse and throw things.
Jane, read somewhere Larry Johnson has said that Wilson has confirmed to him that he has heard elements of the Leopold story. Any chance of getting the skinny from Wilson?
Roger~
Welcome to FDL and Thank you for doing the dirty work. Because you were able to report on the morning talkies, I was able to spend mothers’ day with my mother and with my children. I know we are fortunate to have you here.
My eyes still roll when I’m reminded of the contrived outrage over Edwards’ statements in reference to Mary Cheney, a publicly known lesbian. Mary Cheney just picking up today where she was back then came off as frumpy.
If the assault on gay rights comes up again this summer and fall, I would definitely bring her back into the public conversation and thoroughly debunk the tired act of unfounded outrage. Edwards’ points did not take people into her bedroom, their avoidant hysterics did.
Roger, I really enjoyed your crystalline prose and sharp wit. Come back soon.
GQ,
Thanks for the link to the Clemons piece, interesting. One other point that my Swiss friend made was that he thinks that if push comes to shove, Europe will unite against the U.S. (BushCo) over Iran. Plot thickens…
cbl, thanks, I didn’t even know what the Algonquin Round Table was.
Ignore 52. Doesn’t seem that well sourced. Sorry.
rapid blinking is evidence of lying, or so say the people who study this stuff (police, lawyers, etc)
timewarp#28: seriously, watch the video of fredo when he was pushed out to give his reassurances on the usatoday story. the blinking is particularly noteworthy when he’s saying the public isn’t being spied on; not to mention his shifty (sweartogod) eye movements at several points. you really must see the video.
rogerailes: i hope this is a weekly sunday wrapup. and major fucking props for sitting through all of those programs. i couldn’t get beyond 5 minutes of newt this a.m.; the pushback is just too painful to take with so much at stake.
John Casper 32
I have a few favoritre Algonquin table stories — my bestest mostest being:
One of the famed members (Frank Case?) came into the Algonquin and sat with the others and told about his dream the previous night — I dreamt of a great story, it was funny, sad, evrything at once. I woke up and — I keep a pen and paper by side my bed — wrote down the key plot points so that I would remmeber this fabulous story in the morning. When I got up in the late morning, I was lying in bed and looking out the window, when suddenly I remembered the dream about the fabulous story. I quickly turned to the table and grabbed the piece of paper to see what it was about — on it I had written:
“I’ll have another martini, please.”
What looseheadprop said, at 21!
Thanks immanentize.
Another Algonquin Round Table story: “when Dorothy Parker was informed about the death of President Calvin Coolidge, she replied, “How can they tell?”
Here’s a 1987 documentary about it, The Ten Year Lunch
More from Wikipedia: “A 1995 movie about the group was entitled Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle. There is also a musical about it called “The Talk of the Town” that is performed in the Algonquin’s Oak Room cabaret.”
Thanks Roger- a very enjoyable article (style not content, if you get what I mean). Glad that you will be a regular!
Checked out the Roger Ailes blog, but no info about him. Anyone?
And, OT, has there been any explanation as to how Fitz came by the Wilson column with Cheney annotations?
Thanks, Roger. I have always preferred sleeping to getting up and watching the Sunday bobbleheads. But it is nice to be able to keep tabs on what they are saying–without having to personally face the creatures saying it–considering the ritualistic role they seem to have assumed in our mediapolitical complex.
Speaking the unspeakable
By Swopa May 14 2006 – 5:33pm
“Via Atrios, Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont utters a belated, “No, you go fuck yourself” to the Cheney administration on CNN’s Late Edition:….”
Imm 60 at 6:22 pm My fave at that table was the inimitable Dorothy Parker. A prime example:
“I wish I could drink like a lady
I can take one or two at the most
Three and I’m under the table
Four and I’m under the hostâ€
Tee hee.
VG 63, the smart money is on I. Lewis hanging on to the annotated Wilson for insurance, I think.
OfT:
Waiting for Godot in Iraq
By Swopa May 14 2006 – 12:37pm
“From the New York Times this morning:
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld regularly says he wants major troop withdrawals from Iraq, if possible this year. But he rarely mentions the daunting challenges beyond the volatile security situation that are preventing a rapid withdrawal….”
Hagel will cave like always. Like McCain the press loves to think of him as a maverick.
Strictly and totally a company man.
g’night FDLers
It’s getting toward that time, here on the east coast. I got one late conference call at 10 and then off to bed.
You west coaster will have to have all the fun. I’ll try to catch up with the comments in the AM.
Thank you all for a wonderful Mother’s Day.
blegh. Thank you for sitting thru this dreck so we don’t have to … but still… blegh. This is the best our “network” media can come up with??? We are getting closer to a national Howard Beale moment. I, for one, could go out naked on the front lawn today and scream “We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!!!!” of course, I drink. And the neighbors would probably just think that my kids failed to make me breakfast in bed for mother’s day…
op99 thanks- that makes sense. Cheney to Libby to Fitz.
Is Newt mad? A second front is doable? With him and what army? And the rest of the national guard with be in another desert down south with the minutemen. Lord, I never know anymore what kind of day it will be when I get up. Some days everyone seems so sane; others…
John Casper -
You forgot to tell the rest of the Algonquin/Coolidge story: After Parker’s witticism, Robert Benchley shot back “He had an erection!”
72 will be, not with be. Doh.
Hello, my friends.
So nice to see Roger visiting us, welcome.
I’ve been driving through the insane rain here in MA where people in my area are being evacuated because we’ve had so much rain the sewers are backing up into houses. Towns are shut down and I clocked 200 miles this weekend.
Too tired to read or write but had to check in and send hugs to my peeps.
See you tomorrow, I’ve clearly missed a lot!!!
op99 –
Another (not Parker who I love) story — attribute to Sherwood, I believe:
“I have just finished my latest novel. All I have left to do is write it.”
Newt Gingrich being interviewed by Tim Russert. Perfect. Perfectly ludicrous. Gingrich, one of the most precise examples of an anti-statesman and moral hypocrite. And Russert, an apologetic buffoon for the Republicans. It appears Russert views Newt as a “winner” and would like to play a role in making Gingrich the new King of America in the next Republican rigged presidential election. I just can’t stomach those Sunday morning talk shows anymore. They have degenerated to nothing more than exercises in fealty to the status quo. Yuk.
Rayne @44 – wrt Russert, he likely wasn’t pandering to the corporatist elite, he was representing them. Seems to think that’s his job these days.
One thing that’s so frustrating about how smoothly operators like Gingrich come across is because the hard work has already been done. The wing-nut talking points are so entrenched that, as Chomsky has pointed out, one has to go through the history of how these wing-nut “facts” are not in fact true, and refuting them can’t be accomplished in two minute soundbytes, especially when the journalists themselves are so invested in them.
two great tastes taste great together…firedoglake and roger ailes. loved this post!
I’m pretty sure I couldn’t tell you where the Bush administration ends and Hayden begins. Can Leahy?
I’d like to see somebody plant a microchip in Newt’s lip. With brass knuckles.
At the Corner York has a bit about talking with Rove defense spokesman Mark Corallo. Here is a characterization of the conversation:
Nice work, Mr. Ailes!!
Newt is such an outrageous creep. I’m going to go take a shower.
Don’t forget folks, this is Don’t Attack Iran Week!! Do what you can.
peace,
jim
If given their due
Then one or two
would surely be beheaded.
But paychecks rule ’em
and so they spew ‘em
the BushCo lies retreaded.
Just so you guys know. Byron York (total Bush apologist for the National Review) got a denial from Rove’s spokesperson on the Jason Leopold/truthout story about Rove being indicted.
Here is York’s post on The Corner
REPORTS OF ROVE’S INDICTMENT ARE GREATLY… [Byron York]
You haven’t heard about it, but many reporters spent part of their weekend making calls to check out a report on a left-wing website, truthout.org , that Karl Rove has been indicted in the CIA leak investigation. The report, by someone named Jason Leopold, was posted yesterday and was headlined, “Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators.” It began:
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.
During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
Robert Luskin, Rove’s attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.
It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators.
The report came out of the blue on Saturday. Jason Leopold, who has written a memoir, entitled News Junkie, in which, according to the book’s promotional material, he portrays himself as a writer “whose addictive tendencies led him from a life of drug abuse and petty crime to become an award-winning investigative journalist,” has written wildly unreliable reports about the CIA leak affair before. But still, reporters of every stripe felt they had to check this one out.
So did I. I talked with Rove defense spokesman Mark Corallo, who told me the story was completely baseless. Part of our conversation:
Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?
No.
Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?
No.
Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove’s representatives?
No.
Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove’s representatives?
No.
Did he inform Rove or Rove’s representatives that Rove had been indicted?
No.
So there seems to be nothing to the story, certainly nothing which any other reporter has seen fit to report. Which raises a question: What is going on here? The journalists who checked out the story, quite properly, did not repeat Leopold’s bad information. But for some media blogger out there, it might be reasonable to ask: Where are these reports coming from?
Posted at 8:26 PM
Oklahoma kiddo said:
Agreed. And the contrasting work of the lefty blogosphere has hastened (if not initiated) the exposure of how deeply corrupted that status quo is…not to mention helping me preserve my sanity.
Great job Rog.
“On Fox, dullard Mary Cheney revealed to Chris Wallace that she came this close … this close … to quitting the Bush campaign because of Bush’s support for the Federal Marriage Amendment. Had it been something important, like the estate tax, she would have been long gone.”
Hilarious and so true.
I would not put it past Rove and crew to leak a false report, get the media to report it, and then use it as a stick to beat the media up. After all, Rove once planted a bug in his own office so he could blame the opposition of running a dirty campaign …
anon 90,
You mean like the time he bugged his own office? They can use this to trash the media and downplay Bush’s low poll numbers.
Leopold put on hold.
Whatever.
It’s still over, Rover.
anon @90 – ugh! it fits. please not again.
Thanks anon.
As far as Jason Leopold is concerned, he’s lost whatever shred of credibility he may have had left if his report of Rove’s imminent indictment is untrue. Period. This also reflects directly on truthout.
After a long Mothers’ Day with multiple families, I finally made it home — looks like everyone was having a wonderful time.
Reading a comment about the Leopold interview, one thing jumped out — while Fitz and Rove and Luskin may have tried and failed to negotiate a plea deal, there is no way Fitz would have handed Rove an indictment at the end of it.
Shoot, that is Law and Order 101 — Fitz wouldn’t have even asked the GJ for an indictment until negotiations had broken down, let alone hand it to Rove. He may have handed them a target letter, or told them he intended to seek an indictment on unspecified charges — but Fitz is way too professional to hand his cards to Rove, without first making them public in a press conference at the time and place of his choosing.
Other than that, Leopold’s story sounds plausible . . .
With Roger around to report, we don’t have to watch Ma Russert. Truth to tell he would look good in an apron and a starched bonnet. Wotta putz.
Bush Approval Rating Jumps Six Points (Newsmax via freepers)
The WSJ poll showing Bush at 29% is cited, and then compared against a Newsweek poll supposedly released today showing him at 35%.
anon — is that you at both (86) and (90)? that’s why “anon” isn’t a good practice as a nom-de-plume…
Anyhow, note the clarifying post at DailyKos about the Leopold story on Rove. You could be absolutely right, somebody might have tried to leak a poisoned story to Leopold…but why Leopold? That M.O. has been used only when the journo in question was too close to the truth.
And while I’m not going to swallow the whole Leopold story, I’m not going to toss it out entirely either. As readily as Rover et al would plant a poison story, they’d parse exceeding fine any message they’d put out.
I have yet to see that anyone asked Rove or his minions: Has Rove or any agent of Rove or Rove’s defense team or the White House or the department in which Rove worked or now works received a target letter at any time, anywhere?
The question has to be parsed as carefully as the answers to date; there’s too much smoke for me to believe there is nothing burning somewhere.
From last night, TALKLEFT’s Jeralyn’s take on Leopold’s latest.
My Non-Conversation With Robert Luskin
I suspect that it was Jeralyn that provided the necessary traction, for the York story. I don’t think Leopold’s stuff carries that kind of weight.
Looks to me as though York drew a journalistic line in the sand for Jason.
One more reason to appreciate the integrity of FDL.
I await Leopold’s outing of his sources. :)
Rayne, yeah that is me both times. I basically agree with you. I hope it is true too – but I just don’t want people to go overboard on a unconfirmed (now denied) report. If Rove is going to get indicted – we’ll find out soon enough.
Talk Left is reporting a new Libby filing while one of the commenters reports that The Hairy One (Byron York) is saying that a spokesman for Rove’s defense (Mark Corallo) says that there is no truth to the Leopold story (well he would, wouldn’t he).
John Casper,
“I suspect that it was Jeralyn that provided the necessary traction, for the York story. I don’t think Leopold’s stuff carries that kind of weight.”
Interesting observation, as always
Memo to self. Read thread first.
The lie that just won’t die…. Just watched Timmeh an Newt on press the meat…. The Newster: ” We know that Saddam had direct ties to Al Qeada” Timmieh didn’t blink…. Fuckin’ Punkin head…..
Last I wrote a post on the possibilty that Jason Leopold was being set up by Rove for a JD Hatfield style ratfuck, and Byron York’s hit piece rounds out the story.
Only one problem — ratfucking Jason Leopold doesn’t help Rove one bit; it might disappoint those who eagerly await the opportunity to rip open our Fitzmas presents. JL and Truthout and Raw Story aren’t CBS, and the rest of the Corporate Media ignored the story.
Besides — Fitz is an Untouchable; no matter what Rove and the MSM do, justice will neither be delayed nor denied.
Sorry Byron; that dog won’t hunt . . .
I go to church and I pray I ask the right questions…it’s not fucking working, you dunce…Big Red this and Big Red that…Russert the problem is your not a journalist, you never were…hence, your questions miss the mark, get it? Little Red?
lurcher,
York is a putz but he named his source, and wingnut though he may be, has “some” credibility. This isn’t a right/left opinion issue. It’s a FACT issue.
Stephen #36
“Norwegian-American” Karl Rove [see wikipedia and other cites at google.com]. I won’t call him a Viking–they look shabby enough after last fall’s “Love Boat” episode.
But he does have the pillage-and-plundering down cold.
Rayne, thanks for the DKos link.
I am not sure what incentive anyone would have to leak a poisoned story about Rove.
Someone who didn’t like Leopold, however, might have leaked a poisoned story to him several weeks ago that Rove received a target letter from Fitzgerald, before his last GJ appearance.
As everybody panned that story, maybe the same source came back to Jason and suckered him into the Fitzgerald spent hours at Luskin’s office story.
If someone really really did not like Jason, they might be punking him in a way that really hurts. This scenario also fits the fact that the source only comes to Leopold and not to anyone else. Every EDITOR in DC wants a reporter to be the first with news of a Rove indictment. According to Leopold, his source has given him this exclusive since Rover’s last GJ appearance; and his source hasn’t given it to anyone else. Or if the source has, it’s so flimsy, the corporate media won’t print it.
WAG Alert
anon (102) — in re: William Rivers Pitt’s comments about Leopold’s article, on the issue of non-denial denials…
It’s as if “they” suddenly realized “they” had to issue something in the way of a denial, but “they” weren’t going to give it to Leopold or Pitt. “They” had to go to one of their tools in their own garden shed, picking out York to cover it. “They” certainly didn’t give it to Jeralyn, either.
So here’s my next question: does this sound like Rove’s work? It’s sloppy, ill-timed, after the fact, undisciplined since Luskin and Corallo don’t have the same story going at the same time for four different folks (Jeralyn, Leopold, Pitt, York — possibly more).
Is Rover too preoccupied to have a prepared messaging program including denials already developed? Does something about this situation smack of Deadeye’s little problem — where a reporter was deliberately chosen for release of the information quite a long time after the incident in question, after a lot of non-denial denials, after several other reporters asked questions and got varying responses?
Mother’s day was tiring and I just posted this comment in the wrong thread. Argh.
What disturbed me most this morning, because I am incredibly worried about Iran: Andrea Mitchell-b**ch made a really disturbing comment on the NBC Tweety show. She claimed that inspectors found the “smoking gun†in Iran. I think I saw that “smoking gun†debunked somewhere. Maybe it was the NYT. I can’t stand the way these political operative types use every opportunity to use the proverbial dagger. They don’t care how many lives are at stake.
Also in the Sunday NYT, Nagourney covers John McCain’s commencement speech at “Liberty University.†According the article, he also made some comment about the incivility of bloggers: “referring to his own brash political ways as a younger man, he said: “it’s a pity there wasn’t a blogosphere then, I would have felt much at home in the medium.†I gather he planned to give the same speech at the New School. What can the New School be possibly thinking?
I am not sure what incentive anyone would have to leak a poisoned story about Rove.
Read (or watch) “Bush’s Brain”. Rove is believed to have planted a bug in his own office right before an election to turn public sentiment for his candidate. Rove operates by trying to set public sentiment. NOt saying this is the case now, but I don’t really trust Truthout.org. I won’t believe it until I see pictures of Karl Rove being frogmarched…
John Casper – Just a note: Leopold claims he has multiple sources on this. “More than two”.
Leopold’s in a tight spot. He’s put his reputation on the line, and if he’s been burned and feels he has to ID his sources, what’re they then gonna say, I never told him no such thing?
Well, I got to watch Russ Feingold’s Monday repeat on c-span.
nanner nanner nanner
ck says:
May 14th, 2006 at 7:29 pm
Last I wrote a post on the possibilty that Jason Leopold was being set up by Rove for a JD Hatfield style ratfuck, and Byron York’s hit piece rounds out the story.
Only one problem — ratfucking Jason Leopold doesn’t help Rove one bit; it might disappoint those who eagerly await the opportunity to rip open our Fitzmas presents. JL and Truthout and Raw Story aren’t CBS, and the rest of the Corporate Media ignored the story.”
That is true up to a point. But the liberal blogosphere is on the map now due to the brilliance of Jane, Christy, Glenn, et. al. You can see the MSM reacting to it. If I were an evil ratf**king bastard and I wanted to lessen the liberal blogs growing influence … I might do something like leak a false report and hope it spreds so I can tar everyone with the same brush. Rove et. al has two plays that they always run. My opponents are ‘angry’ and my opponents are ‘crazy’. You already see the ‘angry’ left meme being spread …
Fortunately, most of the liberal blogs are taking a wait and see approach to the truthout story.
Peter Daou queation Jason leopold and says:
My concern – and the reason I write this – is that Leopold’s ubiquitous reporting has set expectations very high in the blog community. We’re at a moment when blogs are under assault by prominent media and establishment figures. I wouldn’t want to see him used as a cudgel to flog the progressive netroots as a bunch of conspiracy nuts. There’s enough of that already. We don’t need to provide ammo to our opponents…
http://daoureport.salon.com/sy…..2d64485169
Have a look at what Ned Lamont has been up to.Good work Ned!
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/invite/natgwdvd
Thank you Roger. Joining in at FDL just adds to this already excellent community.
I don’t want to be cranky, but could we stop the “Fitz” stuff at the beginning of the comments? Seems like a waste of time.
Laura Bush like her husband really thinks Americans are morons…OK,….I own that there is some truth to that belief being that Bush was reelected to a second term…But to say that based on her interactions with republicans she meets at republican sponsored events, contrary to poll numbers, she hears her husband is doing a fine job??? well, …how dumb a comment can you make as first lady? Hello……. reality???Say again???The din of the “zeig hiels” at those republican events must have scrambled her brain.
head ona platter, anyone:
http://billmon.org/archives/002443.html
OT, but worth noting: my daughter’s naval officer bf, who recently received long wished-for orders to be stationed in San Diego, has just had those orders rescinded. Right now he’s on standby to ship out somewhere –he knows not where, (or can’t tell), but I’m afraid I can guess.
Doesn’t look good.
I don’t mean to imply that York is hiding some truth he knows about parts of JL’s story being true, but that listen of questions/responses is just plain stupid.
The next to last question covers the others. Maybe he doesn’t understand that. Is he reporter? Pundit? Not a logician in any case. It must take him forever to get a good bit of information if he is so bad at 20 questions.
Jane – FDL has been in another class today! I wasn’t around for most of it while it was happening, but going back and reading through – kudos. You and Christ – add in Digby, tbogg, Ailes, Marsh, LHP getting a big cutout, Stoller, etc. etc. –
I need to be reading a binder full of business regs, but you make it way too ez to be too bad.
Mel,
“I don’t want to be cranky, but could we stop the “Fitz†stuff at the beginning of the comments?”
Hmm, I think you’ve just pretty much guaranteed that “Meltz” will be the first post on the next new thread, IMO ; )
that was a fab synopsis!
i appreciate that you treated it with the gravitas it deserved.
Asked by Stephanopoulos why her husband’s ratings continue to circle the drain, Laura revealed that the Presidency is a difficult job.
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAA
Not saying that Christ wasn’t here too, but I meant Christy.
I just watched “Sneakers” again. The information war indeed. But I think James Earl Jones’ representation of NSA was a bit off.
Maybe Mary Cheney knows something about the fate of Ole’ Deadeye Dad that we don’t, and she’s getting the book out while she hasn’t yet become the daughter of “disgraced former Vice President and notoriouis war-profiteer”…
I’d like to know who the hell is going to buy her book though? She’s completely betrayed the gay community, the left knows she’s a fraud and a sellout (and apparently a dullard) who does that leave in addition to “the base”, who’s probably not all that inclined to run out and buy the musings of an openly gay daughter of the guy that can’t stay sober enough to hunt pen-raised quail?
Excellant DMM (119)! Ned’s a good man. I wish ta heck that moveon.org would give us a commercial like they did for Murphy against Nancy Johnson.
I am very upset over Andrea Mitchell’s comments on Tweety A.M. NBC.
Thanks for that JWR.
IMO, Leopold’s sources are Jane, Christy, emptywheel, Jeff, whoever told him that Rove received a target letter prior to his last GJ appearance…..
Leopold routinely comments at tnh and fdl under names not his own. Jane and emptywheel spotted it, because the IP address always matched to Leopold. Leopold “confessed” and “apologized” over at tnh for commenting as “Harry Shed.” Severals weeks earlier, “Harry Shed” had made vicious, obscene physical threats in a comment against DHinMI over at tnh. It’s not hard for me to believe that someone doesn’t like Jason enough to do this to him.
On the other hand, I’m no fan of Byron York. Leopold’s stuff could actually be more or less accurate. emptywheel and others have speculated that Rove has already received sealed indictments from Fitz. In this version, Jason simply isn’t mentioning that it’s the well-respected plameologists on the blogs who are his “sources.” They aren’t “sources.” Jason is just stealing their work.
I don’t know who’s telling the truth and who isn’t.
OT, thanks Coz.
Frank she hears her husband is doing a fine job??? well, …how dumb a comment can you make as first lady?
What else can she possibly say? “I know that Georgie has been doing a shitty job, and it’s really been hell on our marriage. You know, the only time he can get it up is when he talks about Iran. It is so distressing. I hope that the American people can show some forgiveness, because marriage is the bedrock of our society.”
Loved the Sterling Hayden reference! It made me smile.
However, at the risk of sounding boorish, I’d like to point out the ommision of New Mexico in your list of border states. It’s often forgotten or dismissed, but it is a beautiful state.
Jeralyn’s got the latest Libby filing up: http://www.talkleft.com
anon (117), Jane (118) — hence the perfect fit of John McCain’s dig at the blogosphere during the commencement speech.
It makes sense, the pieces fit, although I think there is still something here underneath all the fog and smoke…are “they” doing a two-fer? Was there something else going on that “they” are masking?
Like Rather-gate and the non-existent denials about the underlying story, just a lot of heat and light about the kerning and CBS’ editorial process…
I don’t want to discourage Leopold if his stuff is valid but manipulated by “them”…and yet we do have to maintain this detachment (bordering on battered-wife syndrome).
Let’s say for a moment, we had use of Bush’s Brain to use for our own purposes, deployed for good instead of evil. What would we do in this situation? Would we respond to the York story with a deconstruction? Would we deconstruct the Leopold story? Would we do something else altogether different, like write and publish fresh material on how criminal Rove is and lay the failures of the administration at his feet?
Hmm.
Also front page of NYT Sunday, Eric Lichtblau and Scot Shane: ” Cheney pushed U.S. to widen eavesdropping.”
Regarding York’s report:
Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?
No.
Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?
No.
Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove’s representatives?
No.
Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove’s representatives?
No.
Did he inform Rove or Rove’s representatives that Rove had been indicted?
No.
Sorry, I just can’t see a lawyer being that concise. I suspect some of the conversation was left out of this “transcript” – perhaps weasel words like “as far as I know” and “not to my knowledge.”
I think Mitchell is referring to this:
http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs……S/60513020
Jay 130 – good question, possibly the Dykes Auxiliary of the Log Cabin Republicans? I hear it’s quite the burgeoning group.
“Loved the Sterling Hayden reference! It made me smile.”
David, thanks, I missed that one.
Who could ever forget him in Godfather I?
“Let’s say for a moment, we had use of Bush’s Brain to use for our own purposes, deployed for good instead of evil. What would we do in this situation? “
Concentrate on Cheney’s involvement – and just released notes. When Bush said he would fire anyone involved in leaking Plame’s name – did Cheney tell him he was involved? Did Bush already know?
I don’t know much about Leopold’s history. Found this: http://gnn.tv/articles/709/Med…..opold_Saga
I really can’t speak to the details in the story, but by skimming it, I got some idea of Leopold’s past troubles.
tryggth (139), o.k. where’s Scott Ritter when we need him?
It almost seems that BushCo aren’t even shoveling that much to the public like with Iraq. They just want to try and do the unnameable.
Whether the Leopold story is completely true, partially true, or a 100% Rove ratfuck work product, it doesn’t matter — even if it were pure ratfuck and the MSM took the bait, it doesn’t matter.
Fitz will complete his work, and indict — or not indict — in the fullness of time.
And THAT — is the only story that matters . . .
new thread: “Nedrenaline”
FDL, thanks for giving one of the best bloggers in the biz a bigger podium. Rog should get a special Koufax for headline writing alone. Now that he has one civil one under his belt, I can’t wait for full fledged Roger.
Maybe take up a collection and get him Tivo. How about not tying him down to the sunday shows for that matter?
Jane, I am with you, having “not the fat one” posting here is great news…
Insighgtful and LOL…
mui, WH really swiftboated Ritter.
ck,
“Whether the Leopold story is completely true, partially true, or a 100% Rove ratfuck work product, it doesn’t matter”
You left out the option of complete fabrication, and yeah, that matters.
120
Mel Kozek says:
May 14th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
Mel, the custom of “first” or, for now, FITZ is harmless, and has been going on for as long as I’ve been reading this blog…August or September of 2005. Nothing wrong with simple pleasures and the only time “wasted” is the time it takes for someone to type the word and for you to scroll past the entry.
okay, now I’m really confused -
Josh/TPM’s link with the NYT personally annotated by Dick Cheney is purportedly from a late Friday night filing – where is that link ?
re: jwr@98:But isn’t that newsweek poll actually a LOW for that particular set of pollsters? I thought I was reading somewhere about it being apples and oranges…wish I had the link.
Valley Girl 143 –
I just read the GNN story on Jason Leopold’s problems in his Salon story on the California energy crisis (Krugman quotes, source retracts, NY Times sandbags, Salon backstabs, Leopold’s career crashes and burns) and it’s as accurate a retelling as I’ve seen.
In 2002, I followed the story closely, and exchanged a number of emails with Jason Leopold. He was devestated, and at one point I dissuaded him from attacking Krugman for not backing him up.
Jason Leopold was given the Gary Webb treatment, but he has resurrected his career as a lefty Drudge. Gary Webb is dead, JD Hatfield is dead, while Jason Leopold is alive and kicking Rove — good on him . . .
chip – I couldn’t find the 35% newsweek poll. I did find one from May 11-12 at Pollkatz which had him at 32%, and which would be a slight improvement. And to be fair, a commenter on the freeper site did mention that the two polls use different methodology, negating the point Newsmax was pushing.
Late to the party – indulging in meaningless mind candy – Grey’s Anatomy – with my 19 yr old daughter. It’s nice when the teenagers become human again. :-)
Roger – thanks for watching the shows today. Like others, I find myself doing a lot of yelling at the TV, which puzzles my husband and scares the doggies. Sometimes, if I can get to just the right place in my head, I can watch them for the entertainment value, but I’m not very good at that, and it usually only lasts through the first commercial break.
Hope everyone had a good Mother’s Day.
Off to bed – need to be well-rested for what looks like an action- and issue-packed week!
96 ck says:
May 14th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
After a long Mothers’ Day with multiple families, I finally made it home — looks like everyone was having a wonderful time.
Reading a comment about the Leopold interview, one thing jumped out — while Fitz and Rove and Luskin may have tried and failed to negotiate a plea deal, there is no way Fitz would have handed Rove an indictment at the end of it.
Shoot, that is Law and Order 101 — Fitz wouldn’t have even asked the GJ for an indictment until negotiations had broken down, let alone hand it to Rove. He may have handed them a target letter, or told them he intended to seek an indictment on unspecified charges — but Fitz is way too professional to hand his cards to Rove, without first making them public in a press conference at the time and place of his choosing.
Other than that, Leopold’s story sounds plausible . . .
ck – you are probably right about this…..but let’s consider the possibility that Jason got it right.
Fitz is playing hardball with the roughest, toughest hardball players in the WORLD. This is no time to bring your weak stuff. I think we’ll all agree on that. But what if the conversation went something like this:
OK, Karl – I’m holding your indictment papers in my hand. I can either serve them to you right now…..or give you one, last opportunity to save your own ass. You know what I want – I want you to cooperate with my investigation. I want the truth. I want you to fess up and tell me exactly what Cheney said and did. I will give you 24 business hours to ‘get your affairs in order’. You know exactly what I mean by that. If you keep to your bullshit story, you will see me in exactly 24 business hours – not 23 hours and definitely not 25 hours. This is your last chance to save your ass. Think real hard about it. I’m still going to fuck Cheney – the only question is: are you going to save your ass or throw it in the same ring as Cheney. Good luck. See you Monday (or Tuesday or whatever day).
Does this idea seem plausible? I mean, let’s face it – Fitz is after Cheney and the strongest route to Cheney is through Rove and Libby. Fitz would have the best case with their cooperation. And they will still end up with criminal convictions, meaning their political careers are essentially over.
High stakes…hardball…give a little to get a lot.
Plausible?
chip & jwr: here is a josh marshall link with a newsweek 35% poll reference in it.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008453.php
110 Prairie Sunshine says:
May 14th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
Stephen #36
“Norwegian-American†Karl Rove [see wikipedia and other cites at google.com]. I won’t call him a Viking–they look shabby enough after last fall’s “Love Boat†episode.
But he does have the pillage-and-plundering down cold.
Prairie – I read a bio on Rove very recently. Said his grampa was a big muckety-muck Nazi. Something like a governor and big-time Nazi politician, not a military guy. BIG TIME NAZI. He may have some Norse blood in him, but Rove comes from a proud Nazi family.
And, of course, W’s grampa was the big financier to the Nazi’s.
Small world.
ck – one qualification that I must include in my post #156. I think the “Fitz 15 hours spent with Rove’s attorney” part of the story is pure bullshit. Unless Rove rolled over like a dog, which I sincerely doubt, Fitz’s visit would have lasted 15 MINUTES, not hours. NFW would Fitz spend 15 hours talking shit with Rove & Co.
You are so funny. You are actually the second funniest thing on the internet. And, since Fafblog hasn’t posted anything in 40 days and 40 nights, you are presently the funniest thing on the internet.
I would christen you with a magnum of champagne and send you off to sea, but I’m afraid I’d leave a mark on your pate.
roger ailes, the good one, is an excellent addition to the fdl team. and there’s no one i would trust more to watch tv for me than him.
that being said…
there will be certain gaps in the coverage. in my cable market, all four broadcast head shows run at the same time (8:00 to 9:00 a.m.). (there are second showings of meet the press and fox news sunday at 10:00 a.m.) so, for example, i missed the bit where laura bush declared herself a feminist by blinking her eyes in morse code.
tehre’s a new thing, roger, it’s called tivo…
clueless 156 & 159 –
Fitz is a straight shooter — when he asks the GJ for an indictment, he won’t sit on it. And he definitely wouldn’t wave it in the perp’s face.
Prior to the indictment, he will negotiate — after negotiations fail, it’s true bill and lay his cards on the table at a presser.
I think the whole story is a ratfuck — but Fitz is beyond the reach of a Rove ratfuck, and Bush ain’t gonna put his own codpiece on the line, for the sake of the hired help.
I couldn’t agree more with your analyses & comments Roger…Gingrich is indeed a blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice & seems blissfully unaware of the inconsistencies & Fundamentalist-style rants that make up the bulk of his monologues. I kept waiting for Condi Rice to pop her head around the corner & pipe in on the Iran rant..”yep, going to be mushroom clouds over Jericho & New York if we don’t take action, Hallelujah!”.
I kinda like Tim Russert but he seemed fluish & somewhat outa his depths today.Would luv to have seen him hang Gingrich w/ his own words…guess we’ll have to wait for The Daily Show for some justice.
Frist had me in stitches over that ‘Border Wall’ comment. This is one guy who can’t help but step into the s**t pile everytime he opens his mouth. Inadvertantly tragic. Rational Polis: “Runaway train comin’ Bill, move outa the way!”…Frist: “I say, I say what?”
As for the Mother issue…right there w/ ya buddy…my Mum would rather eat her own right hand than agree w/ her iconoclastic son. Guess Bob Schieffer is one lucky guy.Thems the breaks eh?
Keep up the good work Roger. Keep tellin’ it Real.
Prairie Sunshine
Having a Nazi sympathizer or even a Nazi official as a relative proves nothing about one’s motivations and internal psychology.
That’s purely guilt by blood association. If that were the case, we’re all guilty of something our progenitors did.
I’m shocked to find out that Mary Cheney is both a lesbian and a dullard. I’m not sure which upsets me more. I sure hope the DEMS don’t use either against me when Bush runs for re-election as King.
-Dick Cheney
from a lurker (164): agreed. I believe Rove’s political operative stance comes not from any blood relations, but from Nixon and some formative years spent as a college rethug, digging up trash. Heh! Rove is a garbage variety of college republican!
Roger great job.
Now I don’t have to watch and maybe lower ratings will wake up the networks.
Axle Runne (108), Russert is praying to Jorge’s deity that he ask the right questions because Big Russ’s son hearts Lil George who is cocksure he is getting the right guidance from on high.
This is an AWESOME idea. I’ve been hoping for a really long time that someone exactly like Roger Ailes would watch the Sunday shows so I don’t have to and instead could be in church praying for the nation.
Great job.