Fitzo de Mayo !

You speak of organized crime…I see an awesomely organized underwear drawer. It shames us all. Fitz?

Fitzee de Mai !

Fitz, we’re waiting…

I’m embarrassed to say that I called a bra once….

Sorry to be so pragmatic and geeky, but good grief that’s a lot of data they want. I wonder how much money European ISPs and long-haul providers are going to have to spend to fulfill this mandate.

My practice was to keep a minimum of two weeks worth of logs for my networks, just in case I had to check on someone who was trying to break in or harass us. That was a while ago, of course, but even now I wouldn’t want to keep more than a couple of months’ worth in most cases. From a network admin’s perspective, that’s ancient history.

ooops, as I write this, I am downloading via Bittorrent a French CD of the Beethoven & Mendelsohn Violin Concerti…

5 – was it a wireless call?

OT – op99 – if you’re still looking for a YKOS roomate, I may have a roomate for you – christina underscore siun at mac dot com

VJB 2 — and thus we know it is not MY underwear drawer.

*ilson46201 -

Back to your 1:36 post in the prior thread – I agree: something is going on, all right. I have some ideas, but it may be premature to speculate.

FitzGarment!

8 – win.

Is that Scooter Libby’s underwear drawer?

So, Disney wants all that data? I wonder what for.
You know, everybody going into Disney World gets fingerprinted or something. It’s a little weird. Everybody has to stick their fingers into a little gizmo that records…something.

Jane 10

I’m relieved – I was worried about OCD for a bit…

;)

Totally OT, but I got a solicitation letter from Al Gore (DCCC) that mentioned “Rubber Stamp Republicans” and thought of FDL and how you are really impacting the national dialogue. (Maybe Al received one of the stamps?)

Please don’t stop speaking truth to power!!

Jane, you wear underwear?

*ilson46201 #7

And when Interpol knocks on your door 5 years from now, courtesy of our newly improved relations with the Quai d’Orsay, I’ll bet you’ll have forgotten this little indiscretion, ne-c’est pas?

Cyberspace, however, never forgets.

kirk murphy #8

was it a wireless call?

lol !

I’m okay with it as long as we get access to the private records of music and film industry executives so that we can refer to them in our antitrust lawsuits.

Hey, why not have some Democrats put forward a bill that prevents a President from pardoning people in his own administration for malfeasence under his watch or at his behest?

That would be a real fun one to debate….It would go down but the Republicans would look even more like cover-uppers.

-GSD

And so many Democrats want to move us towards a European model, with their cameras on every corner, laws dictating what people are allowed to say and 60%+ tax rates… Now this. Only marginally better than the fascist model that George Bush wants. It’s becoming very shitty to be an American, seems like we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

Did Hayden Break The Law?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..12374/1235

Reports suggest that it may have been Hayden who unilaterally implemented the extrajudicial spying program, before executive authorization.

Now, we learn that Hayden was the architect of a much broader program, one that has cataloged billions of calls made by innocent Americans.

While Hayden’s supporters shrug off this massive data collection, they ignore a critical question: did Hayden break the law? And if so, how can they overlook that and vote for his confirmation?

The fact is that, depending on the exact contours of the program, this program may have already been banned by Congress. And if so, Hayden’s resurrection of that program should cast the death blow to any nomination.

Frank Rich kicks it up a notch http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0513.html

Call it the Government Accountability Act. Or the George Washington Anti-Power Abuse and Corruption Act?

kirk 15 — Even Dubya himself might give up on the whole idea of panty sniffing were he to encounter the disorderly state of my underwear drawer, not to worry.

pach 17 — actually no.

With apologies to Everett Dirksen – ‘A bit here, a byte there, pretty soon you’re talking about some real terrabytes.’

Any idea what our newly installed Conservative to the north Mr. Harper is up to? I would expect a real cozy arrangement among NATO members.

(May 13, 2006 — 04:38 PM EST // link)

Damning.

From Isikoff …

The role of Vice President Dick Cheney in the criminal case stemming from the outing of White House critic Joseph Wilson’s CIA wife is likely to get fresh attention as a result of newly disclosed notes showing that Cheney personally asked whether Wilson had been sent by his wife on a “junket” to Africa.

Cheney’s notes, written on the margins of a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed column by former ambassador Joseph Wilson, were included as part of a filing Friday night by prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the perjury and obstruction case against ex-Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.

The notes, Fitzgerald said in his filing, show that Cheney and Libby were “acutely focused” on the Wilson column and on rebutting his criticisms of the White House’s handling of pre-Iraq war intelligence.

…

In the margins of the op-ed, Cheney jotted out a series of questions that seemed to challenge many of Wilson’s assertions as well as the legitimacy of his CIA sponsored trip to Africa: “Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb. [sic] to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket?”

Puts Cheney right in the center of it. No doubt, directing the whole effort, which many of us have long suspected. Right there down to the ridiculousness of his ‘wife send[ing] him on a junket’. Did he come up with it? Was he the first one to slip that slop into the rightwing media stream?
– Josh Marshall

It’s a good sign when dolts like Isikoff start getting the message:

The notes—apparently obtained as a result of a grand jury subpoena—would appear to make Cheney an even more central witness than had been previously thought in the criminal probe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12…../newsweek/

I have almost 3000 music miles, and probably 200 video files.

I am all about privacy.

And free file sharing.

Jane–Whew–was afraid that was your drawer- that’s a neat freak!

anybody slightly conversant with Plamegate could see Fitzy has long had Cheney in his sights. This exposure of Dick Cheney his own bad self annotating in his own handwriting the damning NYTimes OpEd by Amb. Wilson openly and publically puts forth his participation. Fitzy has kicked it up a notch too!

Bush and Lon Cheney have lost Mel Gibson and Michael “Sniffacock” Isakoff.

Bad week for these mooks.

OT. Americablog has some updated poll results and they are far stretch from the Washed-Pooh poll…lots of interesting numbers.

The meme is becoming reality.

Democrats are for the average folks and are concerned about civil liberties.

Republicans are for the businesses and are pushing their power-grab too far.

-GSD

BarbaraB says:
May 13th, 2006 at 2:06 pm (prior thread)

I think I goofed in some comments I made the other day concerning the lawsuit Paula Jones filed against Bill Clinton; you must have found, as I did after I posted my comments, that it was not appealed to the United States Supreme COurt.

Now let’s return to discussing the OLC’s 1973 opinion written by Robert Bork. Is it available online? I think it might prove helpful to see his line of reasoning, as he may have had no precedents to cite.

Jane 26

I’m seeing Dubya standing like a deer in the headlights, looking for your invisible undies,
Sniffus interreptus -

probably drive his last few neurons around the bend…

When you think about it, file sharing is a kind of terrorism.

/bushco talking point

Boy, those Wilsons know how to pick the plum junkets. Instead of golfing in Scotland, Wilson chose a “junket” to landlocked African nation that is one of the poorest places on the face of the planet.

-GSD

And most terrorists wear some kind of underwear. Think about it.

if you are planning a junket to Niger, this is where you stay http://www.grandhotelniger.com/english/home.php

just don’t ask for yellowcake for desert at the restaurant !

My, we are getting personal here. Back on topic–all this Nosey Bitch TIA stuff is to prevent another 9/11. Didn’t I read somewhere where they had authorized recordings captured with warrants foreshadowing 9/11?

It isn’t lack of information that could have prevented 9/11 but a lack of intelligence from the leadership.

Jane- not wearing underwear gives aid and comfort to the terrists.

When I was in college I lived in an old duplex where my next door neighbor was this libertarian nutjob named Justin. Despite our many differences of opinion, we became friends by brewing beer together. We collaborated on many great batches of beer and even had a hop garden out back.

All of his beer brewing equipment, food grade buckets, carboy fermenters, etc. were plastered with stickers with such slogans as “Stop Overgoverning!” “The Government is listening!” “Watch out for Big Brother” “I love my country, but fear my government” I seem to forget some of the more creative ones.
This was nearly 15 years ago and I thought he was just paranoid. Little did I know he was just ahead of the curve! Interestingly, I do seem to recall that he feared Democratic leaders more than Republican ones. This fear was mainly based on 2nd Amendment concerns.

Last I heard of Justin, he and his wife were home schooling their kids somewhere off the grid in Montana. I wonder if it is too late to follow Justin’s lead?

Sharkbabe, have you been checking under burkhas again ?

siun check yer email. :)

NYT story up now that Cheney and Hayden ignored internal legal opinions in favor of, erm, just saying it’s legal ’cause it should be:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..mp;emc=rss

Steve Gilliard’s advice to Scooter — sit down with Fitz, and take what you can get:

http://stevegilliard.blogspot……aster.html

Bush is psychologically incapable of both flexibility and mercy. Anyone who thinks Bush is going to pardon people need to talk to Katharine Harris. Despite placing her name and reputation on the line, the Bushes now want her to go away. Who else is going to jump into a losing race, after all, Bush hatred is exploding, and take a bath. Why not repay Harris’s loyalty with support?

That is a grim indicator for Rove and Libby.They don’t care what you have on them, they’re the Bush family. They are not going to be rescued, for if they aren’t loyal to Harris, who will they be loyal to?

GSD 33 “Michael “Sniffacock†Isakoff” heh.

Just wait till the right finds out about snooping of data for gun purchases,gun permits and hunting licenses.Gun shops must keep some records of inventory and sales.Tax records of gun purchases.

And I hope they tapped into the data information of the NRA and people with large collection of guns

Wouldn’t the NSA want to match the information they got data mining from the phone companies and cross match to gun owner information?

And most terrorists wear some kind of underwear. Think about it.

True, but they wear it on their heads so that doesn’t really count.

Everywhere you sniff in the rank stench that has become this administration- you smell Cheney’s flabby, old, hairless, stinky asshole.

#45

That’s just an adaption of the defense known as “Yo Mama!”

Incoming Fitz grenade! Fitz’s latest filing is up at newsweek.com. This one is about his intention to use a copy of Joe Wilson’s famous op-ed piece at trial. Sounds like no big deal, until you read the fine print: The copy Fitz will be offering has Dick Cheney’s handwritten notes in the margin, which clearly mention Joe Wilson’s wife. Oops.

emptywheel’s most current post about Team Fitz (and please forgive me if this has already been mentioned): http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more

D. Mason,

Wrong kinda talk for this site.

when a gun is bought, a background check is required but the data is supposed to be destroyed promptly and nothing retained by the Feds.
Dear NRA member: are you sure it is destroyed or do you want to help the IslamoFascists by demanding your constitutional rights? your choice!

ahem, it’s not just the phone calls – tons of bytes tearin’ through the phone-lines allatime – ATM transactions, credit-card approvals, emails, datafiles – now why wouldn’t the NSA want this stuff in their db as well? Perhaps they’re writing a comprehensive history of digital civilization?

*ilson 43 – (blushing, kicking dirt)

rwcole 50 – incredibly perfectly succinctly disgustingly beautifully put.

I guess everybody screaming Uereka! over the Cheney anotized newscopy didn’t read the two previous posts at FDL by CHS.

rwcole-
I read somewhere that Cheney is a close talker with really stinky breath.

J. Leopold is now reporting that Rove has been indicted.

rwcole,

thanks for making dieting so much easier this afternoon…

I’ve been loath to jump in with “the wheels are coming off the cart”-type rhetoric, but I’m getting a little giddy after hearing Isikoff’s stuff on the Cheney notes.

And next week, more from Tice? And oops, I almost forgot — Rove???

Am I being moderated??? I can see my #58 comment. But it says waiting in moderation. Can everybody else see it?

All standard caveats apply. That said …

New Leopold: Rove Already Indicted!

BarbaraB, thanks for your comments on the earlier thread.

froggermarch #45

So…Hayden was the good guy, is that what the Times is selling here? Oh, and then they persuaded him, so he jumped right on it. And this news comes out in detail just as he’s about to begin his confirmation hearings. But, but…if that’s the real scoop, how come the smell of rat wafting from this article is so strong?

Jason Leopold is either onto something or dead wrong, but he now says Rove WAS indicted on Friday for perjury and obstruction of justice. See:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

If this case would ever reach a courtroom- Cheney would be a key witness. He would sit in front of the jury for perhaps a whole day- explaining why he released classified information, why he instructed scoots to flame Plame. Explaining his legal theories of the presidency- a guy with a 12% JAR- and falling.

If anyone thinks that GW Clusterfuck will EVER allow this spectacle to occur- think again.

Either this thing never gets to trial- or Cheney crawls up inside his own asshole and dies between now and then.

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators

By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Saturday 13 May 2006

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

OT: From Murtha today: “Most likely, there will be a “tidal wave” that propels Democrats into the majority, said Murtha. He predicts Democrats will gain 40-50 seats – well more than the 15 needed for the party to gain control.”

I wish I was that confident.

Jeralyn at Talkleft buys into the newest J*s*n L**p*ld story http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

ROVE IS INDICTED !!!

but consider the source! no partying yet

afternoon all,
some excellent historical info on TIA:

…”The TIA program is a project that would create a working model for a computerized profile of the intimate details of a citizen’s private life. Neoconservative New York Times columnist William Safire notes the potential of the TIA program as follows:
“Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend — all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as “a virtual, centralized grand database.”

Here is how John Markoff of the New York Times describes the capability of the TIA program:

“…it will provide intelligence analysts and law enforcement officials with instant access to information from Internet mail and calling records to credit card and banking transactions and travel documents, without a search warrant. Historically, military and intelligence agencies have not been permitted to spy on Americans without extraordinary legal authorization. But Admiral Poindexter, the former national security adviser in the Reagan administration, has argued that the government needs broad new powers to process, store and mine billions of minute details of electronic life in the United States. Admiral Poindexter, who has described the plan in public documents and speeches but declined to be interviewed, has said that the government needs to ‘break down the stovepipes’ that separate commercial and government databases, allowing teams of intelligence agency analysts to hunt for hidden patterns of activity with powerful computers.”

http://www.geocities.com/total…..awareness/

“Hey Marek — you and anyone else who want to criticize our decisions on this front are cordially invited to fuck right off. Do you do anything to support this site? Ever hit the PayPal button before? Do you think it just “happens?â€

Sure, Jane, no problem. I just did.

I do enjoy your blog after all. What I didn’t realize, apparently, is that only members of the Jane Hamsher Perpetual Adoration Society are allowed to post here. Could it be — sorry for getting a bit personal here — that you are not as different from lovely Ms Malkin as you would like to think?

Oops, critizing again, sorry.

Cheers,

Marek

I see Cheney needing to go to some foreign country to live because his health requires certain doctors who works in that country. At least, that would be the excuse.

According to truthout’s Jason Leopold, Rove has now been indicted:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

This is not last night’s story, this is new, dated today:

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.”>

Still not confirmed by any major media, but fwiw…

I’ll go out on a limb here and predict that Elmer F. “Chucky” Hayden is toast.

Excuse me: perjury and lying to investigators; obstruction of justice yet to be determined.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12…../newsweek/

^^ Newsweek poll shows 53% say Bush spying goes too far.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

^^ Leopold saying Rove is already indicted… Take it for what it is worth.

Okay, try this again another way. I read that Fitz met with Luskin quietly on friday and served him with a indictment for Rove which will be released to the press sometime next week. Is there anyway to find out if this is true?

um. Just checking.

OT: with 4 pitbulls in my house, I recently realized my most frequently uttered phrase is “Watch the fucking tail !” Happy dogs can knock so many things over…

Wow – Jeralyn’s got my little heart

SNOOPYDANCIN!

Read the Truthout piece. Is Redd around? Would like to know if it’s plausible.

The piece says that Fitz served Rove with an indictment- so that would mean that the indictment was handed down earlier- like wednesday? So is there public record of it? Was it sealed? If sealed, what would be the justification for sealing it?- etc.

I am trying to de-lurk but am having troubling posting….

I am choosing to beleive this. Matthews and all. ANd maybe Bush’s speech….I am really dreaming here…Cheney???

SP,CPA #34 — You didn’t goof. Clinton v. Jones was the Supreme Court case that held that a sitting President is not immune to civil suit for “private” conduct predating his election as President. You goofed very slightly (a trvial goof, really) in attributing the DOJ/OLC opinion to Bork. As Solicitor General, Bork adopted the OLC opinion in an amicus brief filed with respect to Agnew’s indictment.

If you have access to Westlaw, the Clinton/OLC memo is available at 2000WL33711291. It’s dated Oct. 16, 2000. I haven’t tried Google or the DOJ website, but it’s a public document so it should be out there.

If you use CNN’s FindLaw, which is free, you can read Nixon v. Fitzgerald. It was a 5-4 case (4-1-4 if you count Burger’s concurrence as resting on different grounds) and the opinions have a lot of information on the history of the debate over the role of the impeachment clause, going back to the Framers and the ratifiers. I don’t think the question is nearly as settled as I did before my research, so I really thank you for raising the question. However, I don’t think either the 1973 OLC opinion or the Borkian adoption can fairly be attributed to partisanship. Justice Story, back in 1833, and a whole bunch of folks even earlier, weren’t thinking about either Tricky Dick or Bubba when they opined that a sitting President could not be prosecuted while in office, but only after impeachment and removal.

FWIW, the prosecutors in Jaworski’s office were divided on the issue, and Jaworski ultimately decided to make Nixon an unindicted coconspirator rather than litigate it. Of course, he could rely on contemporaneous Congressional investigating/oversight committees who were actually doing their jobs. Where is Sam Ervin now that we really need him?

I am going to print out the pdf of the Cheney marginalia and market it as toilet paper.

123beck, you’re comin in loud & clear at 85

D. Mason @#65

That was just a little encouragement not to engage in blatant racism. FDL has a track record of discouraging such behavior. Directing foul language at me for doing so is a mistake. I don’t recommend it or tolerate rude behavior.

Sharkbabe

Jeralyn’s a peach!

I am sure the NYTimes and the WaPo are rattling all the W.H. cages as we speak, poking around about Rove. Breaking that news would be quite a coup!

Here’s a good laugh.

GWOT Gun Registration Program

I’m confused, or The New York Times is confused, or Dick Cheney is confused. The NYT article linked at froggermarch 45 above says:

“For the first time since 1978, when the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was passed and began requiring court approval for all eavesdropping on United States soil”

and

“Mr. Cheney traced his views to his service as chief of staff to President Gerald Ford in the 1970’s, when post-Watergate reforms, which included the FISA law, ’served to erode the authority I think the president needs to be effective, especially in a national security area.’”

So FISA became law in 1978. And Cheney’s executive power theory evolved, as a result of FISA and other reforms, while he was chief of staff to President Ford?

Ford’s presidency ended in January 1977.

Jason Leopold is pretty convincing that Karl Rove has been indicted…..anyone else read the article??

Jason Leopold reports that on Friday, May 12, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of themeeting said Saturday morning.

I’m not clear when Fitz and Rove had the meeting. Was it Friday?

If Truthout.org breaking news holds up : Patrick Fitzgerald just gave me and a lot of Mother’s I know the best Mother’s Day Present!!

Big fat honkin mid-thread FITZ!

rwcole says: “Was it sealed? If sealed, what would be the justification for sealing it?”
May 13th, 2006 at 3:02 pm

One possibility to consider: have others been charged? Yes, there are other possible reasons for sealing the indictment. Christy and the other lawyers posting here – please elucidate.

I think Cheney is banking on an obscure interpretation of the law. That’s if you were born before 1978, when FISA was enacted, you don’t have to follow that law.

I just want to say that the news was “news” when I first posted. I wouldn’t knowingly clog up a thread with already posted off-topic stuff.

[/snit]

neurophius, Cheney sipped from the poisoned chalice of utmost power and was upset when drinking restrictions were placed later on…

I like the fact that Fitz has Cheney’s NYT with notes in the margins….That’s detail work . Appearently they they didn’t destroy all the evidence. That sound you here is Nixon rotating in his grave, yelling “Burn the Tapes.”

Why is everybody so testy? I’m not testy, and I have s#!tloads of work to do, which I’m not doing because of this damnably addictive blog. Plus, my blender just freaked out and spewed iced coffee all over my kitchen. So…just chill out. To paraphrase Gandalf, the laughter of Mordor shall be our only reward for quarrelling amongst ourselves.

let us all recall last fall that Mr. L**p*ld told us 22 people were going to be imminently indicted…

It seems peculiar to me that Fitzgerald would personally serve Rove’s attorneys. It seems such a departure from the Libby show. It is also peculiar to me that Jason Leopold would be the only source for such a major story. With all the leaks coming out of DC, I’m very surprised that one of the usual suspects doesn’t even present a waft of a story…not even Murray Waas, as far as I can see.

THAT SAID…I’m appreciative of the detail and specificity contained in the new truthout article. Either Leopold is living in the Evil Parallel Universe that we’ve been hearing so much about or there is a sufficiency of smoke to believe that a fire is breaking out.

D.Mason 65, that’s a racial stereotype, dumbass, and the community’s acquiescence would be tantamount to concurrence.

*ilson 46201 #82

That’s why I like heelers: no tails.

I’m so happy I can’t spill…er a spell.

I mean ethnic stereotype.

Could someone explain what “your comment is awaiting modertation” means? I just de-lurked a little while ago….thanks….

cleter @ 3:13 pm (#102) – To paraphrase Gandalf, the laughter of Mordor shall be our only reward for quarrelling amongst ourselves.

To quote Captain Kang, “Only fools fight in a burning house.”

ilson

Yeah I’m not so sure that this story is coherent.

Rove tells people- what- I HAVE been indicted- or I EXPECT to be indicted- and Fitz is doing a last minute bargaining session AFTER the indictment has been issued? He would have more leverage just BEFORE the indictment was issued. And if an indictment was handed down, WHEN was it handed down- and why isn’t it public?

What fits all these facts is that Fitz is about to ask for an indictment and is making one last run at a deal- last and final offer- if you can nail Cheney’s fat ass- we let you off easy. Rove knows that one way or another- SOME kind of indictment is coming- so he tells the White House and the message gets a little garbled by the time it gets picked up by staffers and passed on- that all seems likely to me. Indictment next week I bet.

I meant moderation…..

“your comment is awaiting modertation†means your spell-checker is faulty

BarbaraB says:
May 13th, 2006 at 3:03 pm

Thank you very much for your reply. I have access to the resources you mentioned with the exception of Westlaw.

I didn’t see the Clinton vs. Jones opinion. When I looked in Wikipedia, I saw no link to the text of the opinion.

I’m interested in the 1833 case you mentioned. Do you have a citation for that, please?

Hmmm. If you look over at http://www.waynemadsenreport (grain of salt, as always), he says that a motorcade was at the courthouse on Friday, just like the one that came before Libby was indicted. The Leopold theory is plausible. Still not sure I buy it, though.

“wear their underwear on their heads”

I took that to be a slam at the Clusterfuck torture techniques- not a racial stereotype.

rw, from emptywheel’s latest, “Fitzgerald Collecting Cheney’s Smoking Guns”
“…..Which is another reason to exercise some caution about whether or when Rove will be indicted. Rove has testified a fifth time, true. And leaks from Rove’s camp suggest he will be indicted shortly. But there’s a possibility (an outside possibility–I personally suspect Rove will be indicted along with others, but not yet) that Rove is not testifying–perhaps not exclusively–about his own actions….”

123beck @ 3:19 pm (#110) – It means you said the magic word(s) and the duck came down. For some reason, certain combinations of words, or comments consisting largely of web links, get put on hold until the webmistresses check them out. Hang on, assuming what you wrote isn’t completely offensive Jane will release it from purgatory soon.

Talk Left reporting Rove indicted.

the Rove indictment news is too hot for it to be kept a secret for too much longer if true — the corporate media would love to break it.

Marek — well your comment is posted isn’t it? So obviously we allow assholes to show up and run their mouths.

Your original argument, I see, has been abandoned and now you’ve moved on to self-righteousness. Well it was pretty threadbare anyway, no surprise.

You might be happier at Red State.

op99 @ #106

I was begining to think I was the only one to spot that. We can’t be having that kind of talk in the “Fever Swamp” of the “Jane Hamshers of the left”.

Wherever you are Jane, we patrol your virtuosity with ceaseless vigilance!

And if D. Mason is still here, we take care of her light work. I promise you don’t want Jane on you.

me3 78

Your link to the Leopold story doesn’t work for me. Anyone else have a link?

John Casper says:
May 13th, 2006 at 3:23 pm

Have you had a chance to read all of emptywheel’s most recent post from which you quoted?

Somewhat OT but related to the thread as posted.

Article from Slashdot

An anonymous reader writes “Reuters is reporting that the US government has ‘filed a motion on Saturday to intervene and seek dismissal of a lawsuit by a civil liberties group against AT&T Inc. over a federal program to monitor U.S. communications.’ More from the article: ” In its motion seeking intervention, posted on the court’s Web site, the government said the interests of the parties in the lawsuit “may well be in the disclosure of state secrets” in their effort to present their claims or defenses … A hearing is scheduled for June 21 before federal Judge Vaughn Walker.” You may recall a few weeks ago when the DOJ asked the judge to dismiss the case. They’ve now taken the next step required to quash this legal action.

94 neurophius –

Cheney is confused — he thinks that the election of 1976, that put Jimmy Carter in the White House, was a usurpation of of Dick Cheney’s powers.

He commented as she was right on top of him. (gulp)

123beck, per Cujo359, it’s part of some troll software, fdl had to install. It has nothing to do with your “delurking.” I have had comments without links or HTML, held up by it as well. In those cases, it seemed to be the length of my comment that tripped the software. All of us who experienced the “scroll trolls” are pretty happy Jane bought it.

Could Fitz have gone to the offices of Patton Boggs without the press noticing?

Does the name “L**p*ld” trigger moderation when spelled out in full?

undies for the fundies
illegal briefs
the gov’t is stocking us
casting a broad fishnet
thongs a lot
this socks
time for a boxer rebellion

me3 78

Your link to the L**p*ld story doesn’t work for me. Anyone else have a link?

Per Jeralyn, Shooter is the next “Official A” – Oh Happy Day!

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014833.html

123beck –

comment awaiting moderation means the FDL/Word Press spam blockers saw something in your post it didn’t like, and it will have be reviewed by our hosts before we can see it.

illegal briefs = tighty righties

I will wait until I hear Leopold’s story corroborated by a second source before I uncork the champagne bottle.

neurophius: and the name of his publication too, it seems. So many newbies take his writings as gospel and come here to spread the good news repeatedly and asininely… (often for 2 or 3 days after the HOT BREAKING STORY ! ! ! )

neurophius says:
May 13th, 2006 at 3:33 pm

Link: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

Stephen CPA, I thought I had until I read your 123, then I began to have my doubts.
Do you think I mischaracterized her position in any way?
Thanks.

Karl is scheduled to speak at the AEI on Monday at 11am (I know this because CNN Pipeline has it in their Monday webcast schedule). If we don’t have confirmation on this by Monday it will be very telling if the speech is canceled.

eralyn Merritt’s analysis so far…
Update: Jason said the meeting lasted 15 hours. That tells me they were hammering out a plea deal to the charges. Were they successful in coming to terms? Stay tuned.
Update: I’m still thinking out the scenarios. If I had to take bets, I’d say efforts at a plea agreement failed. Why? This line from Jason’s report:
[Fitzgerald] instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
It sounds to me like they went round and round for hours and weren’t able to come to a meeting of the minds. So my take is Karl Rove will be fighting the Indictment.

Rob Zuber says:
May 13th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Could Fitz have gone to the offices of Patton Boggs without the press noticing?
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I’d say yes. The press usually doesn’t seem to know if he’s in Chicago or DC.

GSD 21 – that would need a Constitutional amendment, not just a bill.

BAGNERES-DE-BIGORRE, France (AP) — About 5,000 French farmers rang cowbells and set off firecrackers Saturday in the Pyrenees Mountains Saturday as they protested a plan to repopulate the bears in their region.

So Scooters novel finally got translated into French?

One thing I noticed in the latest Fitz filing is that he always refers to the Shooter as “the Vice President” and never by his name. It seems to me that he’s hedging enough so that he can later refer to him as “Vice President of the United States #1″ or some such.

Jason Leopold has become the hot & heavy Drudge of the TreasonGate story — but with the due diligence and sobriety filters switched off, if you get my drift.

But what the hell — our side needs red meat, too . . .

Do we even have confirmation that Fitz was in Washington? I think Christy and Jane are very wise to wait on this. It would be great if were true – but I just don’t think Jason Leopold is reliable. And if this story is bogus – then Jason needs to go far away, and stop yanking everyone’s chains.

John Casper says: “Do you think I mischaracterized her position in any way?”
May 13th, 2006 at 3:37 pm

Oh, no, not at all! – I was simply alluding to the abundance of content in that post; there’s quite a lot of good material in it to peruse.

Wonder if Jeralyn actually wrote the story we are discussing.

Is “fighting the indictment” the correct legal term here? Seems as if you can’t “fight an indictment” especially if you are already indicted- which is the premise here. You just prepare to defend yourself against the charges contained in the indictment.

Sometimes I wish I’d gone to law school.

Totally off-topic (as always): Anyone have any idea what the Mexican response would be to a bunch of National Guardsmen posted right across their border? I’m not saying we’d invade or anything, but if I were the Mexican government, I wouldn’t be happy about a massive number of US troops at my border, as those type of scenarios usually don’t end well.

Hey Marek, you just wrote in 73, your response to Jane: “Sure, Jane, no problem. I just did.”

That’s wonderful, how much did you contribute?

Marek, if you actually spend time here, as you said, you would know that both Jane and Christy have posted against McCurry and in very strong favor of net neutrality. Could you lose the condescending tone when addressing Jane? You’re making me question my unqualified support of net neutrality.

Your remark about the “perpetual adoration society,” did you think that would get a whole bunch of fdl’ers to really appreciate net neutraility? I am very curious on your thinking about this. I wonder if you are a troll from McCurry’s group?

shooogarp 136

illegal briefs = tighty righties

nostalgia tour – in the Cheney Shot a Man in the Face poetry slam, I proffered:

righty, tightie, must indict he

You’ll prolly start getting some traffic Jane cause I finally got off my lazy ass and linked to your site from my blog today. Unbelievable oversight that I didn’t do it earlier. It should be clear sailing from here on out tho’.

136, 136 Gyro Gear Lo*se
AEI’s website doesn’t list any events for Monday.

Cujo359
“I need no urging to hate humans!”
Kang

did you know we’re riding on the marek cash express?

Thanks Stephen, CPA. I really feel out of my depth at tnh, although I really enjoy the site. I also stupidly interpreted something Mary wrote earlier today way too literally and then commented on it. This forced poor Mary to reclarify. Thanks again for the response.

rwcole # 149

No, she’s referencing the same story we all are – the namelessone at tr*thout.

Frank, General Jack Pershing didn’t win too many amigos back in 1915 http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..dition.htm

Karen- yes she’s talking about the same story- but her comments include the phrase “fighting the indictment” which his her analysis.

WOO HOO! FITZMAS IS FINALLY HERE!

ck 146

“Jason Leopold has become the hot & heavy Drudge of the TreasonGate story — but with the due diligence and sobriety filters switched off, if you get my drift.”

ck, are you suggesting that Drudge uses due diligence and sobriety filters?

My dentist’s blog is toothout.com, so maybe Karl has an appointment for a root canal on Monday.

trueshout.com!

punaise — he he

Hello Firepups–

The Leopold article breaking news on Rove was up at truthout yesterday.

I know what kind of credit Jason Leopold has here so I didn’t mention it, but it bears the ring of truth. I have not popped the corks on any Moet Chandons yet, but I have put them in the fridge and literally just got back from buying ice and beer. Chance, the prepared, lucky Eagle Scouts getting lit, etc.

153 Oilfieldguy –

there go the servers!!!

Regarding the perpetual adoration society: It is about quality of work. I understand writing, both as an author and consumer. A couple of bad or bullshit posts and the loyalty would evaporate.

Re Rove. Please, please, please be true. I thinkI have tears in my eyes.
Regardless–Cheney’s notes on Wilson’s op-ed mean he is toast. And I have never used the T word!

I sure hope the Rove story is true-car in the shop and can’t go to the store for Depends to keep from peeing my pants with excitement

punaise 154

“did you know we’re riding on the marek cash express?”

I don’t know how you do it. My brain just isn’t that sharp.

neurophius #161
I agree with you about Jason; however it seems strange that Jeralyn would be agreeing with him if this possibility was too far out of the ballpark

About financial support for this blog–I am downright xenophobic about putting my cc # on the net. I don’t want to put some spook on my payroll. Just how safe is the innernex?

tee hee

never could figure out the words at the beginning of that song – something like “summa hooba da goosh goosh”

Lucky for me that I was already having a party/BBQ at my house this evening with the stealth reason of making a pitch to all of my friends to get more involved NOW to ensure Dems take back Congress this fall. Now it will be a pre-Fitzmas Party!

I will be passing out cards with firedoglake.com on them. ; )

Hi all –

I just returned from helping a 75 year old woman peace activist get her first computer going (back to the days of how to move the boxes around on the screen). After we connected to the internet, I told her “this is why you’d want to do thisâ€, and set up fdl as her homepage and told her to practice mousing by clicking interesting looking links and checking out the blogroll. She promised to tell her friends, and was happily adding favorites when I left.

Jane and Christy – thanks for the excellent writing and analysis – always clear and very accessible. I think the way we win is to get (lots) more people past the ‘wacko blogs’ barrier and hooked in to the intelligent and pragmatic world that we know is there. I’ve found plenty of good people (like local democratic party leadership) who just didn’t know where to look. Its easy to get people started when we have classy sites like fdl and easy-read handouts like Crashing the Gate.

First comment from a longtime regular reader. See you in Vegas….

162 neurophius –

are you suggesting that Drudge uses due diligence and sobriety filters?

compared to Jason Leopold, yes . . .

cue breaking news theme -
This Just In Leopold!

hey firespups, missed y’all today!

I have to say that the fact that Talk Left picked up the Leopold story feels like an endorsement. Does Jeralyn have some substantial sources as well? Presenting the meeting as a knock-down, drag-out plea negotiation session kinda works for me. (Ya know…”We won’t release the indictments until we know how your client intends to play it.” That works for me.)

Marclord – No, this is from this afternoon.

MarcLord — is there any way you can explain your post from the other day more simply? You were explaining the datamining operation, how the information is gathered and used. If so, thanks.

I seem to recall you said they are gathering all kinds of information — websites, voice, etc. and possibly convert it and end up being able to know activities in advance…. (did I get any of it?). Thanks.

And, if this is so advanced, is there any way to stop it, go backward, etc.

Welcome tomm!

When is the Vegas thing? I’ll be out there early next month.

I’ve been a big fan and a pretty regular reader of FDL for a long time. Today, I’ve had two comments moderated out of existence for broaching a topic that has since been widely linked in this very thread. First, I posted a link to a story that hadn’t yet been linked to (it has since been linked to several times); then, when that disappeared, I asked (I think very reasonably) what was going on, and that disappeared as well. I understand and support the careful moderating of comments; trolls take up too much of our lives as it is. But is it really a situation where certain reporters can’t even be mentioned by name and asking what’s up is forbidden?

I’ve been out of the loop for a couple of weeks (finishing a project that would definitely pass muster around here), so I missed the backstory. But can’t I ask for backstory? What happened to make this situation so extreme? Are there other reporters (or maybe subjects) that are likewise forbidden? If I can’t find out why this guy isn’t credible (beyond the wink-wink innuendo above), how will I know who to trust?

I this is a situation that calls for more speech, rather than greater restrictions.

WAG Alert (Wild Ass Guess)
If Leopold’s source is accurate, his source could be trying to warn the WH that Rove has flipped.
If the source is accurate s/he has probably tried unsuccssfully to leak it to VandeHei, Sue Schmidt, etc, but they won’t take it, because it’s too hot, too easy to trace. Perhaps Leopold is the only one with this stuff, because Fitz doesn’t want anyone to get it.
If this leak is coming from someone trying to warn the WH, we don’t want to do anything to give it more credibility, I don’t think.

MarcLord # 166 – that’s yesterday’s news. Today’s news is that he’s actually been indicted. Different story, using some of the same info, and some new info.

But the “consider the source” is still appropriate.

(part of me wonders if he *does* have “direct sources” – but that they are feeding him misinformation to discredit him. Like “22 indictments immanent” f’rinstance.)

I can’t believe what I am seeing:
over at Larry Johnson’s blog http://noquarter.typepad.com/
. Is there a little dance called the frog hop? When comes the confirmation?

Frank Probst #150:

As you might be aware, Mexico’s entering the stretch run of its presidential election right now. Vicente Fox’s chosen successor has a narrow lead over the lefist candidate, so I’d guess that Fox would have to do something, however symbolic, to assert Mexican authority on its side. I don’t expect any real trouble, though. Mexico needs the money from its “expatriate labor force” to continue its uninterrupted flow southward.

If Leopold’s source is accurate, his source could be trying to warn the WH that Rove has flipped.
Uh oh. I wonder what the flipped part means.

Regarding the FDL Jane and Christy fan club –

Both of youw write very well, but it’s the stilleto humor that makes you rock stars!!!

Bloggy humor requires a deft touch, and FDL has it in spades . . .

Kevin Drum is going with the story too…but when will it break in the corporate media? I have all my RSS feeds fired up and TV tuned to CNN International

Supposing that Rove has been or will soon be indicted, Is Cheney’s fat ass next?

*ilson 144
SPLUTTER!!!!!!
lhp – Four score and seven Rove indictment announcements ago (below thread) you mentioned

I think maybe our boy Fitz studied Iran Contra very carefully. Many of the same players are involved and he had a free window into their personalities and preferences

I sure hope so and that he found something cipherable. I really do wonder what they are all thinking re: pardon. I mentioned this before, but they work day in, day out, with Elliot Abrams and probably all know more to any of the Iran Contra and other stories than will ever be in the record. It is hard for me to see any of them flipping, ever. I think they just ride it out and wait for pardon. I don’t think the GOP can control itself anymore, much less Bush and sure as heck not Rumsfeld or Cheney and in the end, they control Bush. It will be interesting to watch it play out.

Re: This is why I think he has set up the finest piece of lawyering I will ever see in my life. You know I am not really in the all out fan camp, but I have to agree with you. Without a net.

JWR @177–negative. It was up at truthout yesterday evening Pacific Coast time, whether temporarily or not I do not know, but that’s when I read it.

I really, really don’t want to defend The Shooter, but my recollection is that there was lots of Congressional noise about FISA-like stuff during the Ford administration, and that maybe Ford vetoed something like FISA. When FISA passed during the Carter admin, President Jimmy signed it. So Deadeye’s heartburn about FISA, while appearing to be chronologically impaired, may have some validity.

I can’t believe you guys made me defend Cheney! Gotta go shower now.

The fact that the generally itchy-trigger-fingered RawStory has NOT picked up the Leopold article is a red flag.

rwcole (192), Let it be so!

rw, if I am reading emptywheel accurately, that is exactly what she is saying, Deadeye is the target.

SP,CPA #115 — I paraphrased Mr. Justice Story’s treatise. It is quoted in Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731. You might also look at U.S. v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683. I couldn’t tell from FindLaw what the official citation is for Clinton v. Jones, but if you scroll down to the bottom of the CNN “Law” link you will find that you can search U.S. Supreme Court cases by party name. My apologies for not keeping better or more legible notes, and therefore for having to delay this response until I checked CNN again. I don’t use wikipedia, not because I don’t trust it but because I don’t know how. (I believe I may have mentioned, in another context, that I’m old. Amazingly well-preserved, but old.)

As the OLC 2000 memo candidly admits, there is no U.S. Supreme Court case directly on point, but the two Nixon cases and Clinton v Jones were decided after the 1973 memo and, in the opinion of the OLC, buttress those 1973 conclusions. You may, and probably should, take that memo with a grain of salt, because it was Clinton’s DOJ, after all. He might be said to have had a particular interest in the question, given that the Starr operation hadn’t wound up yet. (And isn’t it deliciously ironic that Robert Ray just turned himself in on a stalking charge? Karma is a bitch.)

rwcole
“Cheney’s Fat Ass” would be a good name for a band.

The levee is breaking on the Shooter

http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..nted=print

May 13, 2006
CIA Leak Court Filing Focuses on Cheney
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 6:39 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a new court filing, the prosecutor in the CIA leak case revealed that Vice President Dick Cheney made handwritten references to CIA officer Valerie Plame — albeit not by name — eight days before her identity was publicly exposed.

The new court filing is the second in little more than a month by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald mentioning Cheney as being closely focused with his then-chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, on Plame’s CIA identity and on her husband, Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson.

With the two court filings, Fitzgerald has pointed to an important role for the vice president in the weeks leading up to the leaking of Plame’s identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame.

Big Ink 187 — I’m not going to explain what triggers our SPAM filters because it just makes it easy for SPAMMERS to get around them. The system we have is the best one we can have without going to comment registration which is something I do not want to do.

Considering what happened the last time we were under troll attack, a problem that has largely gone away with our new software, we’re just going to have to ask you to bear with us.

Cheney’s fat ass indicted before election day- Oh Lord- let it be so!

When a link appears repetitively, the automated software will treat is as spam. There were so many truthout links in the last 24 hours, and many comments discussed the article. Now the community, and the software, have moved on.

Talking Heads: Making Flippy Floppy

…Snap into position
Bounce till you ache
Step out of line
And you end up in jail
Bring me a doctor
I have a hole in my head
But they are just people
And I’m not afraid
Doctor Doctor
We have nothing in our pockets
We continue
But we have nothing left to offer
Faces pressed against the window
Hey! they are just my friends
Check this out don’t be slick
Break our backs it goes like this . . .

I can’t believe it
And people are strange
Our president’s crazy
Did you hear what he said
Business and pleasure
Lie right to your face
Divide it in sections
And then give it away

There are no big secrets
Don’t believe what you read
We have great big bodies
We got great big heads
Run-a-run-a-run it all together
Check it out – still don’t make no sense
Makin’ flippy floppy
Tryin to do my best
Lock the door
We kill the beast
Kill it!

Jeralyn at TalkLeft has picked up Leopold’s version.

Cleter- As would “Clusterfuck and the Shooters” I suspect.

JWR @177, et al:

Thanks, putting dunce cap on now. Will stand in corner for decent interval.

Jane: The software seems to work great – the comments are virtually spam & troll free.

So, what the heck do you make of Leopold’s latest two articles??? And Fitz’s latest filings on Deadeye?

Mary or anyone else- any idea how many lawyers would be working with Fitz on the leak case? And, what kind of staffers? I mean who collects all of the info- I assume Fitz doesn’t have time to do all of the research, that is, every bit of himself. And would there be a person who has tracked Luskin’s various press statements, for example? etc.?

>When a link appears repetitively, the automated software will treat is as spam.

Ah! So if you get the warning, you’re probably posting a redundant link.

punaise #156. Damn. Up til now I thought you were just clever. Now I know you’re actually brilliant!

“Looking at the world throught the sunset in your eyes
Traveling the train through clear Moroccan skies…”

John Casper says:
May 13th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
WAG Alert (Wild Ass Guess)
If Leopold’s source is accurate, his source could be trying to warn the WH that Rove has flipped.
If the source is accurate s/he has probably tried unsuccssfully to leak it to VandeHei, Sue Schmidt, etc, but they won’t take it, because it’s too hot, too easy to trace. Perhaps Leopold is the only one with this stuff, because Fitz doesn’t want anyone to get it.
If this leak is coming from someone trying to warn the WH, we don’t want to do anything to give it more credibility, I don’t think.
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That’s a little too far-fetched for me. I mean, you’re saying that there’s a scenario in which Steno Sue WON’T carry water for this Administration. It just doesn’t scan.

Here’s an alternative WAG: The rumors are coming from Rove himself, because he is NOT going to be indicted next week, and he’s trying to throw a false story out there to distract from something else.

shoephone 211 – thanks, didn’t take long to hash that one out

Oilfieldguy #183 -
Vegas is June 7-11. Check out the program at http://yearlykos.org/. To get the hotel room discount you have to sign up by Monday.

TSF 193

Well, you may be right about that. But the NYT reported it as if FISA itself had been enacted while Ford was president, which isn’t the case. At least, that’s how I read it. I guess it doesn’t really matter anyway, Cheney has his evil presidential supremacy theory and will continue pushing it any way he can. FITZ!

MarcLord @208 – LOL!

And before it gets lost amidst the frogmarch anticipation, props to Christy for pointing to the possible implications of Cheney’s notes in her “The Cirque du Soleil Defense, Part II” post earlier today. I read it here before anywhere else.

Mary 193
I agree. I think that Fitz has carefully studied WH fubars of the past like Iran-Contra and Watergate. I don’t think the dolts in the Bush administration have.

“Deadeye and the Dicks”

punaise – now you make-a me laugh so hard my stomach-a hurt.

obsessed — When I can neither confirm nor disprove a story I don’t comment which is the case here. But considering TruthOut and others are willing to put their credibility on the line over this story, we shall soon know more about that particular subject.

new thread up yonder

new thread – old allies

curious in central Texas says:
May 13th, 2006 at 4:02 pm

Please click on this link:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002399.html

we shall soon know more about that particular subject

Please let it be so. I’m losing my marbles.

new, non-underwear based thread.

punaise #156, I love you!

Frank, IMO, Rove doesn’t want Deadeye (or Bush, or the GOP) to know he flipped on Deadeye.
Even if he did want to warn Deadeye, Bush, or the GOP, he would be in even more trouble than he already is, if Fitz found out.
I suspect that the leaker would be someone sympathetic to Cheney with access to information in Luskin’s office.
Steno Sue and everyone else might have good reason to fear Fitz if they published something that so few people knew about.

The L**p*ld article says Rover was given 24 hours to get his shit together. If the notice was given Friday, wouldn’t the frog march be occurring right about now or already have happened?

According to a post on DU, Russert just mentioned it on CNBC

I didn’t see it, can’t confirm it, but there’s at least one report of MSM mention.

punaise, you’re a treasure.

Mary or anyone else- any idea how many lawyers would be working with Fitz on the leak case?

No clue. Lhp or Christy or other prosecutor types would probably have a guess. I have seen, I think, 4 other names??? on pleadings. With his main base in Chicago, but Libby being a Washington act, the split on staffing might makes it a bit harder to call as well. I do remember thinking when I saw a costs application that he was keeping it very lean for this type of case. He did have FBI support initially as well.

And would there be a person who has tracked Luskin’s various press statements, for example? etc.? That one I can answer – someone is almost definitely tracking that.

Jane @ #202 — All right, if you say so. I’m keenly aware of (and up to my neck in) questions of free speech regulation right now, so I understand the dilemma. (Actually, I highly recommend Alexander Meilkejohn’s “Political Freedom” (1948/60) on this very issue.)

I would like to voice my support for the greatest possible amount of leeway—which I’m sure you’re doing—and perhaps occasional reviews of how much restriction is necessary. If there are real issues I can’t talk about with this brilliant community, then the trolls have scored a minor victory. Thanks for the heads up.

“mary jane” 227, “hash” it out …woah…don’t Bogart….here’s lookin’ at ya, kids

oh, and Marclord (re 208), get your own darn corner – this one’s already taken! :~)

yikes – the Mighty Wurlitzer reaches fdl -

I thread away a moment and my favorite silicon community (er, not that sort) tilts rightward…

lamentations

all prayers to the Serafont

Mary says:
May 13th, 2006 at 4:38 pm

You may need to close a tag.

punaise -

Pretty damned close translation, according to this page:
http://crosby-stills-nash-lyri…..press.html

“Whoopa, hey mesa, hooba huffa, hey meshy goosh goosh.”

an EPU that will live in famy.

BlanK – thanx! gonna have to give it a close re-listen

kirk murphy – say what?

for the record: that’s not my underwear drawer, either

Voodoo topic (slight ranter):

Once again, the recording industry seeks to conceal its chronic ineptitude with bluster…After allowing the downloading genie out of the bottle through purblind resistance to change, missing an opportunity to embrace technology and enrich themselves exponentially in the process…The nabobs-that-be embark on a course of treating the customers who make the bottom line possible like shit on a Bally loafer while they pine for the lost days of expense account hookers ‘n blow.

Sony’s malware debacle…The RIAA’s cockeyed crusade to criminalize and minimise the rights of legitimately purchased product consumers (some of whom don’t even own computers) while starving the creators of that self-same product of any meaningful royalty increases and profit participation…The death of non-chain record stores, staffed with knowledgable retailers, occuring at the behest of big-box retail and their crew of loss-leader lice…On and on and bloody on.

And now Bush wants a hand in this?
Well, screw Little Lord F*ckeduproyally, and the music industry.

Deguello!

Curious in Central Texas @ 180-something,

re: how the NSAs systems work in layman’s language, I’ll give it another try.

There are commercial programs that do data mining, like SAS. Then there are more enforcement-oriented programs, like Memex or the TIA-affiliated NIMD. They rely on traffic and pattern to cull noteworthy actions and put them into a database that assigns a type of risk weighting to each action. These actions can be time of call, air destination, words sent in an email or used in a phone conversation, purchases. So there are these different filters that scour what everybody does via their electronic signatures (or let’s just roll with what the government said and keep “everybody” to tens of millions of people). This part is not speculation. It’s data mining.

This following part is speculation based upon how I and co-workers would design a system. Some of those co-workers are former and now work for security system contractors. Now let’s say a family with an Arabic last name is for some reason planning a family reunion in Burley, Idaho. This type of activity would get flagged and escalated to the next level of surveillance. Their calls would be eavesdropped on automatically and recorded. If word-spotting algorithms came up with anything at all, and they almost certainly would in the muslim family reunion case, then these calls would be passed to agents for a sanity check (if conducted in English) who would open a threat incidence file.

If, after poking through the audio and analyzing the transcribed text further, the assigned agents believe to their satisfaction that it’s just a family reunion, they’d close the file but keep all the data to cover their asses. In fact the cover-thy-ass human element almost guarantees that many if not most innocent citizens will have their conversations recorded and filed, which is probably how the “tens of millions” figure came about already. The temptation to keep listening with an automatic word-spotter would be almost irresistible wherever agents were not absolutely certain of innocence, because it’s both good CYA and comparatively cheap to do.

Are those cells of extremists talking in code, or is it a family reunion? Do “jello mold” and “bread sticks” signify “plastique” and “fuses,” or not? This is the technical problem they’re trying to beat, so I don’t believe the genie can be put back into the bottle. Even if the equipment is destroyed and made illegal, even if the telcos are punished, it’s a methodology that will live on in the heads of engineers.

the Serafont are a little known groups of celestial beings with a keen interest in typography and an unfortunate weakness for practical jokes…

i came to the thread and it was tilting all righty-ward – thought the Repug’s spin machine had latched onto this thread…..

divine intervention seemed the only hope

Big Ink — there are no subjects you can’t talk about, but SPAM filters might cause some comments to be delayed (most likely) or wrongly deleted (quite rare).

Hmm, the truthout post from today seems believable, but there is a conspicuous absence of any Rove-related news on any large news carriers.

Its as though the MSM is holding its breath waiting for the other shoe to drop.

kirk murphy – capisco, looks like we’re back to true north

punaise -

i tried to answer 239 in 243 – but my subject verb object agreement went awry.

(hate it when that happens – one of the reasons group therapy with verbal subjects is so challenging.)

hope i’m not excessively devout, but i’ve also heard regular propitiation of the Numeracheraubs helps with s/v agreements..

Does anyone here think Bush’s Monday night thing could be to pardon Rove?

hi punaise -

my humor lodestar will point to 156 for a long a time

156

did you know we’re riding on the marek cash express?

hey kirk , 156 is nothing without the context…..FDL comments are fertile ground,yet so indulgent

this late in an EPU thread I doubt you have to worry about the grammar police

Looks like McCain was a big hit with his commencement speech…..

LYNCHBURG, Va., May 13 — Six years after labeling the Rev. Jerry Falwell one of the political “agents of intolerance,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) delivered the commencement address Saturday at Falwell’s Liberty University, and vigorously defended his support for the war in Iraq while saying that opponents have a moral duty to challenge the wisdom of a conflict that has exacted a huge toll on the nation.

At times Saturday, McCain appeared to be anticipating what could be a hostile reaction next Friday at the New School, where there already have been protests about his appearance. Saying he respects opponents of the war, McCain pleaded, “But I ask that you consider the possibility that I, too, am trying to meet my responsibilities, to follow my conscience, to do my duty as best as I can, as God has given me light to see that duty.”

Say,why not go back to 2 tin cans and a string!

I like this blog and community but if I’m going to have some kind of PC lynch mob policing my comments I guess it’s not worth it.

Josh has a post up about the Isikoff article -

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008454.php

Dear Jane – You got my big dog standing up to attention! Do you wear thong’s?
( just askin’ )
Now to a petty detail. According to the Lefts answer to DRUDGE ( septic tank cleaner) our man Fitz serves Rove’s lawyer friday giving him a reported ‘ 24 hours to get his affairs in order’.
Add 24 hours to Friday and you get…

Don’t make sense. I don’t quite buy the line about Bolten selling any ‘ fresh start’ either. Lessin’ ‘ Fresh start ‘ is some new fangled kinda hand cream. They will put the Chimp out in the drive again is my bet. With all hell bustin’ loose then they’ll have to retreat to the bunker.

Cut me off while composing a comment, and not yet submitted.
“you already said that” the msg. said. Is this for real coming from your site, or has NSA shown up on this blog????…

I haven’t read through all the comments so I apologize if this has been mentioned previously.

When we lived in Germany, we learned that several EU countries had, unlike the US, constitutional guarantees of privacy.

So can the EU make rules that supercede individual countries’ constitutions? And does the EU have a clue how jealously the citizens of those countries guard that guarantee?

They need more than “connected phones”; what are they really looking at?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/127774…../newsweek/

Some states, such as Alaska, f’rinstance, have constitutional guarantees of privacy.

Visit the Schapira Blog, What we know so far …

… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!

Which, by the way, has been interpreted to include the right to non-commercial possession and use of marijuana in the home. See Ravin v. Alaska.

Visit the Schapira Blog, What we know so far …

… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!