
(Inspired by an AlterNet article on John Edwards and his support for labor unions as part of his anti-poverty strategy, reader diogenes was inspired to write the following piece which echoes what Markos and Jerome say in Crashing the Gate: there is an extremely important bridge that needs to be built between between the netroots and labor. They seem to be fighting may of the same foes -- JH)
Bona fides are in order. I am not a high-powered and highly sought-after union honcho, fresh off the weenie circuit. I am a working class Southerner. The only thing I knew about a union for the first two decades of my life was they won the Civil War. I literally did not know a soul that belonged to one.
That changed when US Air bought Piedmont Airlines, and immediately hit financial turbulence. Agents were non-union: pilots, flight attendants and mechanics were organized. We agents took pay and benefit hits, while the union groups got raises. When I asked our CEO why, he said “They have contracts, and you don’t.”
An organizing campaign sprang into life, and I threw myself into it. We eventually got a union, and a contract. My peers elected me to serve them as vice-president and grievance chair, and I co-chaired our legislative committee. It is a somber obligation to represent someone when their job is on the line. It was a joy to make the union case to our congressional delegation. I will be a unionist to the day I die. I also know some of the problems, and the similarities mimic the progressive relationship with the Country Club Democratic (CCD) ‘leadership’ – that’s what got Jane and me talking.
The first problem CCD’s and union leaders have in common is they don’t listen to the membership. Oh, they’ll take our money and let us do the dog work, but they won’t listen to us – I guess a bunch of white folk are learning what our African American brothers and sisters have known all along. Here is a nice little love tap from the DLC, just in case you think they are going to embrace us anytime soon. Unions do the same stuff. During the 2002 North Carolina primary season, the IAM leadership decided, sans any meaningful input from the membership, to endorse Erskine Bowles, former Clinton chief of staff, over Elaine Marshall, secretary of state (she beat the King, who in NC, ain’t Elvis!).
Now the sad fact is, there are children yet unborn who will hate all things Clinton, because mamma and daddy taught them to. There are plenty of those folks in North Carolina. We locals knew if Erskine ran, this would get shoved down our throats. We begged the IAM (The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers) to reconsider. Elaine had a more compelling story. And with Liddy Dole going to get the Republican nod and $$$, how nice (and smart) would it have been for the Dem’s to be as progressive as the Reps? Moreover, even if Elaine lost, she’d be on the bench if John Edwards decided to run for President (I had no knowledge at the time, just a good vibe!).
Bottom line was, a Clintonite couldn’t win dogcatcher in the Old North State. Did the IAM listen, or even have a mechanism to listen? Nooooooo, so we and Erskine got our asses handed to us.
Fast forward to 2004. Edwards’ seat comes open, and the Reps put up a congressman nobody heard of. Who did the IAM endorse? Did they learn anything from the last go-around? Did they listen to the locals? Nooooooo, they went with ---- Erskine! We got this for a suppository this time. Elaine would have mopped the floor with Burr: we and Erskine got our asses handed to us. Senator Burr went on to renege on his promise to oppose CAFTA (and his freakin’ part of the state used to be textile mill Mecca!). I guess when CCD’s can’t vote against working people, they’ll hold the coat of a Republican who can.
The second problem CCD’s and union leaders share is they have forsaken their membership. CCD’s vote for NAFTA, and unions funnel them PAC money as a thank-you. When have you seen union leadership really hold an elected official’s feet to the fire for betrayal? To the point of cutting off the money? Withholding support? You haven’t. ‘Cause they are in it together, and the game is perpetual cocktail weenies and the good life. Somebody’s gotta pay for it, and that somebody is us.
During the 2004 campaign season, most unions threw their weight behind Gephardt. That was cool – Gephardt has fought the good fight for working class folks (I’d loved to have seen him win). When Gephardt didn’t take off in Iowa, the AFL-CIO tapped Kerry. Problem was, Kerry had been seen as accepting a US Airways failure rather than accepting the proposed US Airways - United merger in 2000. The IAM represented ramp agents and mechanics at US Airways.
IAM fell in line, again without so much as a by-your-leave from their members, endorsing Kerry. Kinda gives you a warm feeling when your union endorses a guy calling for the end of your career. It also frosted me the unions fell in behind Kerry while Edwards was still viable. From a pragmatic viewpoint, the country was electing good ol’ boys. They gonna relate to a Brahmin, or the son of a mill worker? I thought at the time, and events have proven me right: CCD’s fear populism, and by extension, us. I guess they don’t want to get off their lazy asses, and actually have to deliver. Maybe cocktail weenies (if you can’t tell, I totally love the metaphor!) induce torpor, like Thanksgiving turkey.
How has it come to this? It’s as old as the Good Book – “Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." It’s easier, and the perks are much nicer, to shake down a few moneybags, than to represent regular folks. Keep the peasants fighting amongst them selves – “I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half” – and live off their blood and sweat. I knew Bush’s “I’m a uniter; not a divider” was bullshit when he said it, because the last thing the moneybags want is harmony among the proles. Think about it. Every traditional media highlights antagonism and aggression. Survivor shows feature the knife in the back. Which way has the hate needle pegged in the last six years?
CCD’s would rather eat their children than heed their membership. They dread us more than Republicans – they have more in common with Republicans. Unions are not going to listen to dues-paying members – the leadership has more in common with the CEO’s. CCD’s are counting on us to remember the Nader factor, hold our noses and vote for their guy – then on to business as usual on the cocktail weenie and corporate jet circuit. They are not going to accommodate us, or cede an inch.
We know Feingold gets this. Dean gets it. Edwards gets it, too. I can’t tell you how smart I think it is for Edwards to bypass the leadership, and address the roots. If you want to engage unions in the netroots, forget the hierarchy. Talk to local legislative and grievance committee members – they are already activists. They’ve already butted their heads against the corporate and union hierarchy, and are ready for alternatives. So are their members. These are the folks that do the dirty work of voter turn-out.
Hooking up net activists and union activists is a huge piece of the puzzle, and good on FDL for talking responsibility into their own hands, and making things happen. If we’re going to have a democracy, we’ve got to pitch in.
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fitz me once
fitz me twice, ’tis ever so nice
dare i fitz thrice -
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Rove’s speech at the AEI has disappeared from the Coming Events section at AEI’s website.
http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all/events.asp
Something may be coming down the pike in the next week.
You are all so F___ing clever !!
Great post. I believe in unions, and I’m delighted to see a post from a working union member. Take a look at this post in my blog on how a union guy is using Wal-Mart to work toward national health insurance. Great work.
I am starting to feel proud to be an American again. Excellent day at FDL!
Ha Ha Ha I never thought I would laugh my ass off so much………………….is it my imagination or has this been the punchlince for too F____ing long ???????????………… Get a life…….. or a sense of humor !!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks digogenes -
i’m settling down to read your excellent synthesis.
thank you.
in Seattle at the WTO protests so many of the rank and file showed up spontaneously - madder than hell than the (majority of) union leaders has sent the rank and file marching around.
the rank and file who showed up (obviously self-selected) kept saying most of the marchers wanted to be with “the hippies”, but the bosses said it would bad for Clinton.
shit, it was just their jobs the WTO gave away. don’t want to disrupt any high-level grin fests here.
Any chance of editing the post to define IAM?
Assume it is The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, but I had to look this up.
by working in your local Democratic Party, you will quickly discern who in the local labor movement is actually out there hustling and who is merely hustling…
sigh: proofreading…
12
- madder than hell that the (majority of) union leaders had sent the rank and file marching around instead of joining the human cordon of protesters.
I was just looking at new stories on Patrick Fitzgerald on Google, and it says–Jason Leopold again–that Fitzgerald presented Rove’s lawyers with indictments yesterday. I know the rumors have been flying, but is there any way to confirm or refute?
curve666 at 16 - that info is so last-thread — ho, hum
Been there - done that - got the T-shirt: FROGMARCHED
VG 13 — done, good suggestion.
Thanks so much to diogenes for writing this post, which will hopefully be the first of many we’ll be doing about labor. It’s really important and this kind of boots-on-the-ground perspective is really important and certainly what we’ll be cultivating.
Fitzalicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LATE BREAKING: ROVE INFORMS WH HE WILL BE INDICTED
Sorry to be OT, but anybody heard anything else about this?
http://forum.truthout.org/blog.....155941/174
I think we have a visitor who forgot to take his meds.
Out here in SF, folks still remember the late 70s when the openly gay Harvey Milk beat the establishment Dems (Feinstein included) in his run for the Board of Supervisors. He did it not only by organizing the gay community to support one of their own instead of one of their fine straight allies as had always been done, and also be getting out and building support among the labor unions. At the time, the unions were fighting Coors who used only non-union drivers, etc., and Milk went out and got the gay bars to support the unions and boycott Coors.
Randy Shilts’ book “The Mayor of Castro Street” tells the story, and the part that this post reminds me of is when the head of one of the big unions - an ironworker, IIRC - went to a candidate night, met Milk and was quite impressed. He then was talking to another union leader who was not there, who said “You’re not seriously thinking of supporting a queer, are you?” The answer was something like, “No, I’ve already decided that. I’m trying to think about how to get the rest of my union brothers to agree.” When the front line union guys (and they were all guys) saw what Milk was doing to support their efforts, they ended up being some of his most vocal and visible supporters.
Made for some interesting campaign pictures: burly pipefitters, ironworkers, and teamsters stuffing envelopes alongside some really snappy-dressing queens . . .
Milk’s formula for victory was simple. He made common cause across some very unlikely boundaries, by keeping in touch with the grass roots and pushing others to do the same. His message for victory was simple, too, and easily translates here: You’ve got to give them hope!
Thanks for the good words, diogenes!
I call the CCD’s Davos Democrats — the Davos Dems and K-Street GOoPers will always vote for big money first, expecting the benefits to trickle down to the rest of us.
Here’s a clue, Davos Democrats — there is no such thing as Free Trade. CAFTA, NAFTA, and GATT benefit the investor class, but destroys the lives of the workers. Free movement of capital is not free trade, and does not benefit anyone except the investor class. Free Trade is a sham, designed to sell out the Middle Class for the benefit of the Upper Class.
In the boom times of the 1990s, there was enough prosperity to mask the effects of hollowing out the working class; now, even the high skilled jobs are moving to India.
Great post, Diogenes — more like this, please . . .
Karl Rove has, apparently, been indicted and the indictments were served on his attorneys by Fitz on Friday…
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml
Like nearly all of our institutions, unions tend to be top-down and corrupt. But unions are nonetheless the indispensable instrument for employees to influence their compensation and working conditions. (The fact that Pentagon procurement is a cesspool of criminality doesn’t mean that we don’t need a defense department.) Democratic reform of union governance should be high on the progressive agenda.
Sounds like the same old story-cocktail weenies make you fat and lazy,antagonistic to those who put you in power TO REPRESENT THEM.Hard to pry them out of their powerful positions,they cling like a tick behind a dog’s ear.If we all pull together we might do it over time,but the ‘good guys’ we put in will eventually turn into weenie eaters too.
My point is,even if we win,our job is never over.
Roman xp-47 and just asking,
Don’t take this one source as proof,truthout can be iffy.
great post Diogenes! isn’t it interesting that the DLC front is so interested in proving that class politics won’t win?
they won’t win for *them* that’s for sure!
David Sirota’s new book, “Hostile Takeover”, is all about this kind of stuff. He’s going to be signing books and visiting the Denver Drinking Liberally on 5/24, which is sooo exciting! Is he on the FDL Book Club discussion list yet?
http://www.davidsirota.com/
Be nice if it was true,though.
I’m chompin’ at the bit waiting for Greenwald’s new book.
“There was an old zany who lived in a tub;
He had so many fleabites
He didn’t know where to rub.
He kept looking for an honest man
Said “I’m gonna find him if I can”
If i could meet Diogenes today,
This is what i’d say:
Rub-a-dub-dub
Oh, Diogenes!
Find a man who’s honest!
Oh, Diogenes!
Wrap him up for me
Oh, Diogenes!
Find a man who’s stolid-solid
Hook that fish if he’s in the sea
Hunt him! Trail him!
Catch him! Nail him!
If he is free
Have you got your stick?
Have you got your lantern?
Can you do the trick
And produce him, please!
Catch that fellow!
Ring that bell,
Oh,
Oh!
Oh, Diogenes!”
Very important point about Harvey Milk, Peter. That’s PRECISELY why he was murdered.
Hi from Florida -
Catching on the day’s news, sitting in the Sunshoppe in Melbourne (http://www.sunshoppecafe.com/), where they have free customer WiFi. Tired after a red-eys night and afternoon in the rehab unit.
Wow, Cheney’s notes, and this from the NYTimes:
“WASHINGTON, May 13 — In the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Vice President Dick Cheney and his top legal adviser argued that the National Security Agency should intercept purely domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages without warrants in the hunt for terrorists, according to two senior intelligence officials…”
Dirty fux are goin’ DOWN!
So, what else is goin’ on?
its also worth noting that the DLC has made no significant inroads into African-American political activists. Young Mr. Ford has such tendencies but he’s still coasting on his family’s machine…
As I recall, the DLC was organized specifically to counter the populism of the Jesse Jackson Campaign…
Diogenes, nice to have you here.
I am amazed at the erosion of support for the working class in America. I really can’t understand it, to be honest. People have been voting against their own financial interests for decades.
In the meantime, we have become a country that values investing and consulting over labor. We have an “I’m too good for real work” mentality.
I think it’s an indicator that we are on a decline as a nation.
TRANSCRIPTS OF ROBERTS ON LOU DOBBS - IS HE SAYING THAT THEY ARE LISTENING TO DRUG DEALERS,
CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS, AND THE OLD STANDBY, terrorists?
If we did not have the program, America would be less safe. If we did have — if we’d had this program prior to 9/11, I think the chances of at least stopping that terrible tragedy would have been increased. I’m not saying it would have done it, but under General Hayden’s viewpoint and others, we could have had that opportunity. Now it shouldn’t come as any surprise ….
DOBBS: … Senator, if we start working with the ifs and where-ifs, if we’d had a CIA that was in any way an effective intelligence agency maybe it wouldn’t have happened.
ROBERTS: I agree with that.
DOBBS: If we had an FBI agency that was
correctly run, resourced and managed,perhaps it wouldn’t have. We could go to a lot of ifs.
ROBERTS: Lou, you’re talking to the guy who ran the WMD inquiry that proved that we had an intelligence failure, so that’s fine. People should not be, what, alarmed or surprised that intelligence analysts and law enforcement people used the business records or the telephone records of people, not the content in regards to all sorts of things.
(spacing mine)
whether you’re a drug dealer, a child pornographer or a terrorist, that’s what we’re talking about.
(spacing mine)
We’re not talking about content. It is a means so that we can pursue a terrorist with speed, agility and hot pursuit. I’ll tell what you I’m worried about.
DOBBS: Yes, sir.
ROBERTS: This is the leaks that continue to go on about this program, which is the highest classified program we have. Now the people have a right to know. But if we let the people know everything in regards to what we’re doing to fighting terrorism, the terrorists know. And they learn and so America is less safe today because of these leaks.
Is he saying that they are using this survellience to go after drug dealers and child pornographers? The way he said it - sounded like it.
diogenes and Jane: Thanks very much for carrying this conversation forward at FDL. I’ve wondered whether the netroots and the progressive labor movement might ever make common cause; it seems like such a natural alliance.
Making the point that we share difficulties shaking our leaders out of their comfortable collusion with the opposition is a great way to get us thinking about other commonalities. Diogenes, was there much reaction within your organization to the SEIU and its allies facing down the AFL-CIO? That seemed, from the reporting I saw, to be exemplary of “crashing the gate.” But I know labor politics is complicated and wondered what the inside view might be.
Just getting up to speed on all the new Fitzmas stuff. If Libby was warned about the ramifications of leaking Plame’s name, which we now know, and then continued to leak it, which we know he did, isn’t that game set and match under the Intelligence Identities Act?
Surely it’s only a matter of time before he’s charged under it?
hmmmm… FDL could be outsourced — Jane could be in Bangalore and Redd in Delhi — the flora and fauna they observe might seem a tad strange to us Hoosiers…
Hi Bobby G- hope you are doing okay. Music question- “there’s a full moon rising and trouble’s on the way”? from?
Also, if wasn’t evident before, I did read the Diogenes post carefully, with much interest. Thanks. I learn so much at FDL.
Mr. Diogenes: I also think, as a part of the problem, that the Democratic party lost alot of bedrock labor/union support over….oh, a number of years…but thru the party going further and further left…to the point that many bedrock folks began to think that all the Democrats stood for were “all things gay”, being “sensitive” instead of being leaders, and promotion of butch-like qualities in women. Dissatisfaction set in.
The “R” team brilliantly stood into the breech and sucked these voters over to their side with their littany of “morals issues”.
If the Democrats could get a bunch of leaders like Murtha back in the fold, I think many union guys would RUN back into the arms of the party. But so far, there’s still too many Democratic leaders who just come off as…sissies.
Ghostman
modern Labor’s activists goals and the netroots are not dissonant one bit. It’s a natural fit. I see no splitting issues at play…
diogenes,
you are a very good writer. Like listening to a wise sage tell a story in the shade of a willow tree on a warm sunny evening while enjoying a cool glass of lemonade.
Or being disarmed by the apparently disorganized Lt. Colombo, only to discover that true genius stands before you.
Jane, diogenes is a keeper.
harry says: “Surely it’s only a matter of time before he’s charged under it?”
May 13th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Yes, possibly, as long as a greymail defense can be circumvented - let’s see what the lawyers here have to say.
Excellent post, having grown up in a NE union town and seeing firsthand their benefits to all workers, I’m appalled at the anti-union fervor among lower income workers here in North Carolina.
There’s such a deference to to the wealthy and company owners, one can really see firsthand the results of the union movement failing (sometimes violently) to take root down here
in the South.
The results are that workers typically earning $ 30,000, if they’re lucky, enthusiastically voting for anti-worker, anti-union Republicans who promptly pursue policies increasing regressive sales & property taxes, and cutting progressive taxes for the wealthy and corporations.
I wonder how bad it must get for most Americans before the age old misrepresentations of unions and Democrats are finally exposed.
*ilson,
Not knowing what DLC was an acronym for,I went ahead and did a search for it.Got to their page and had a look see.Noticed one big thing missing.Then I went to the DNC page(I got the two confused last week),and there it was;CONTACT US.What I came away with was the feeling that DLC does not want to hear from us,and the DNC does.
This June I will have been a fully pay up member the Int. Union of Operating Engineers (I.U.O.E.) for 50 YEARS.J H damm sure has hit the nail on the head. It has broken my heart to have lived knowing that from the Gen Pres. on down to the local level figure the membership are nothing but $$$$ and power for then to exploit for THERE OWN GOOD. They have never said SHIT about the Phoney Sec. of Labor who are their protector
Diogenes. Just excellent.
One of the things you won’t hear from current MA Gov. Mitt Romney in his Presidential campaign is how the third largest city in the state is operating under de facto state receivership, and the state appointed finance board has the power to override Mayor/City Council negotiated contracts with teacher, police and fire department unions. Rescinding raises, retirement, and health benefits. They can’t strike.
I’m surprised you’ve had such a change of heart, Jane, as you’ve trashed Edwards up and down at any and every opportunity. Granted, I’ve always found his focus on poverty compelling, but you just couldn’t get past, something…who knows? What was it you couldn’t get past again? He didn’t grovel enough after he admitted he made a huge mistake voting for the initial Iraq bill?
You were a Dean fan. Has Dean atoned for his sins yet?
Valley Girl says: “Music question- “there’s a full moon rising and trouble’s on the wayâ€? from?”
May 13th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
It reminds me of Creedence Clearwater Revival’s Bad Moon Rising, but it could be something else.
punaise - can you help her out, please, by consulting your repository of lyrics?
The dissappearing of the Rove speech at AEI. Now that is a tasty little morsel to be chewed on and savored.
Monday, something is coming down on Monday. The President is trying to control the media with his speech.
Other sources, namely the NYT are running with the news about Cheney’s stumpy fingers scrawling notes about Val Wilson(between naps fer shure)…
Look for a terror alert sometime very soon.
Add in all of the Biblical weather that has been pounding Florida and Texas and I think the jig is almost up.
-GSD
Valley Girl 40
Creedence Clearwater.
(((((*!*)))))
xoxoxo
DLC == Democratic Leadership Council == Vichy Democrats == Lieberman, Bayh, etc.
Creedence Clearwater Revival › Bad Moon Rising
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin’.
I see bad times today.
Chorus:
Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.
I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.
Chorus
All right!
Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.
Valley Girl #40
Bad Moon Rising, Creedence Clearwater Revival
GSD says: “The dissappearing of the Rove speech at AEI. Now that is a tasty little morsel to be chewed on and savored.”
May 13th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
Where was the announcement of that speech posted? Earlier today, I missed seeing where it was posted, so if the announcement was on AEI’s Web site and subsequently removed, that appears to be significant. We will see…
never mind.
DMM–thx for the cold water. I’ve thought Truthout was generally pretty good, but haven’t watched them closely enough to gauge their reliability 100%.
Stephen Parrish, CPA-
Yes, that’s it. My memory is faulty. Probably skewed by all of the talk about the recent full moon. Thanks!
i’m swooning a bit, but anyone else think bush’s “immigration” speech could be a cover for a bigger annoucement? something along the lines of the vice president being run over by a bus?
dare to dream, it’s the weekend…
Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bay Area natives who somehow channeled a pitch-perfect Delta/bayou muse, if i may say so. They got totally ripped off by producer Saul Zantz (later of movie fame - Amadeus?)
50, and many others, on all this Rove is indicted stuff…someone, via MSM (because they have resources) ought to start snooping around on the real-time movements of the key players….that might be the way to figure out if this is for real or not. When something big is afoot, you can usually detect changes in movement/location patterns of key leaders/players. I know it all sounds “spooky-ish”, but that’s what usually is a telling sign. Will the MSM do this kind of leg-work tonight? In the morning? Haha.
Ghostman
#58
I can drive nearly as good as he can shoot.
*ilson,
Oh yeah,I could read between the lines of their site,insulated,in the bubble weenie eaters.
The reaction of Hillery’s people to the ‘roots activests of late has been very interesting.
Solidarity, brother.
without Labor, the Democratic Party is simply the GOP Lite.
most of the things which progessives are proud of in their history come from the Labor movment and the lack of spine the Democrats show over economic issues stem from the loss of Labor’s strength in the party.
I want economic democracy. Only the efforts of the organized workers can bring that about.
Hey gang - when I was at a recent Darfur rally, a speaker suggested that we all - right there and then - program the number for the White House into our cell phones - and then call them frequently. Here’s the number:
202-456-1414
a person answers - just tell them you have a comment for the president and during business hours they connect you to the comment line. You could also just tell them our message (thinking of calls outside of business hours, like after a presidential speech?)
seems like a useful tidbit in preparation for whatever Monday brings.
Let’s keep them busy and call often!
Roman,
I just want to see it somewhere else,then I’ll crack a beer to toast the demise of the king of backstab politics.
“LarryB” (if that’s what you’re calling yourself today, IP’s don’t lie, whatever…)
The observant will note that a) I didn’t write this story, and b) if you’d like to go back and back up that claim about Edwards you’re welcome to. You know where I am.
I’ve thought the Monday speech was a preemptive cover up of the NSA-Gate story — maybe it’s intended to cover up the TreasonGate Rove frog march.
Ghostman,
Please, they will only tail a politiciain if it is something important. You know like whether or not Gary Hart was getting his noodle schlooped by Donna Rice…..
-GSD
SP.
It had been noted that Rove was delivering a speech. I don’t know if it had been noted in the AEI website and subsequently removed…that is what is implied on post # 7.
Jane- a question- as a producer in LA, was there a union that you had to belong to? I’m wondering if there might be something like SAG for producers? Any union experiences? Also, I realize that this is sorta OT and personal, so I will understand if you don’t want to reply. I have virtually no union experience or frame of reference except SAG. Local lore is that AFL-CIO drove film production companies out of some southern states (like GA). Alas, didn’t result in more film work elsewhere in the US, but less- and film companies doing more work in in Canada generally to avoid union costs. I hope I am not offending anyone with these comments- I just have a very limited perspective.
I guess we better all be careful!
Cleveland Women Put In Gulag And Held For Psyh Eval For Trying To Put Up Anti-Bush Poster
Carol Fisher is being held indefinitely in a surprise May 9 court hearing, becoming another political prisoner held illegally for speaking out against Bush.
13 May 2006
Outrageous!
Scooter and Karl both born 1950. They’d be 19 when ‘Bad Moon Rising’ was in heavy rotation.
Wonder if they’ve put it on their iPods…
FYI about Bush’s militarization of the border proposal:
during the 25 years of the Berlin Wall, 800 folk died trying to cross that border.
between 1998 to 2004, 2000 people died trying to cross the border from Mexico.
one reason unions have lost so much ground is the increasing degree of global competition — americans no longer get a proper education: the proof being that if we look at per capita figures, india & china, for instance, graduate many times our proportion of scientists & engineers — that’s why even if we erect barriers to trade, we’re doomed to fail unless we do something about educating our kids instead of throwing trillions of dollars at our military — it’s not enough to have enthusiasm if one hasn’t the knowledge or skills to compete: the world doesn’t wait for the ignorant to decide they want to learn
SP,
The speech is noted here:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/.....ve-speaks/
Peculiar that they would not have it on their website, along with all of the other speeches that are noted.
-GSD
talking about workers - a friend from EqualExchange just mentioned that they are hiring - near Boston and then also somewhere west coast - worker’s cooperative company, very good folks and 100% fair trade - it you know of anyone looking, tell them to check it out.
An interesting fact from my work life - the UN Global Compact has been asking companies worldwide to endore a set of principals for responsible behavior. The UNGC has taken off in many parts of the world but the principal of freedom to unionize has held back the growth of the coalition here in the States - sad but true.
Oh LarryB, btw — I won’t out you. Not publicly, anyway ;) *wink wink*
BlanK 73 - Wonder if they’ve put it on their iPods…
they sure weren’t in the rice paddies
on all this Rove is indicted stuff…someone, via MSM (because they have resources) ought to start snooping around on the real-time movements of the key players…
Hah!!! As if — that’s too much like investigative journalisming, which everyone knows is hard work. It’s so much easier to take dictation from anonymous (cough, Rove, cough) WH sources, and besides — if you do investigative reporting and stuff, the GOP Kewl Kidz will cut off your cocktail weenie rations . . .
ummm… “producers” are by very definition: management
Raw Story has some excerpts from tomorrow’s Frank Rich column in the Times, in which Rich all but calls Bush a traitor:
It’s the recklessness at the top of our government, not the press’ exposure of it, that has truly aided the enemy, put American lives at risk and potentially sabotaged national security. That’s where the buck stops, and if there’s to be a witch hunt for traitors, that’s where it should begin.
Just another word of caution. I wouldn’t put it past the WH to leak a story, try to get people to buy into it, and then use that to try and undermind the credibility of the people repeating it when the story turns out to be bogus. Look how Rove et. al. was able to short-circuit the National Guard story with the CBS/Memogate fiasco.
Caution is required. Even the ‘MSM’ has goofed up royally lately - just look at what happened with the W. Virginia mining disaster. I will believe Rove is indicted when I hear Fitzgerald say it. Not before.
*ilson — right you are. No union.
OT:
Nice of John McCain to stop lolling Falwell’s wizened knob around long enough to spit out some seeds of stupidity.
Hey, ’straight talker’…In the words of a former Canadian Prime Minister (not the current one lauded as an ‘intellectual’ at the expense of your president, ‘intellectual’ evidently a new code word for ‘gives up the lunch money smooth’) … ‘There’s no whore like an old whore.’
The left might have thought you a victim of the Karl Rove crush in ‘00 and viewed you as a wronged noble creature, but you’re fresh out of credibility and friends there now.
Enjoy your wasted opportunities.
punaise
yep. was just gonna point that out.
Unions have very little power in right to work states. Wanna see which states are “right to work”? Just look at the map of the last presidential election. Most of the “red” states are “right to work”. That’s the major political issue that gets no discussion.
Play amongst yourselves. I’ll be right here, cleaning up my blogroll.
I just love Wordpress software. Really can’t recommend it highly enough.
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm
Link to map of “right to work” states.
“Right to Work” means that union shop contracts are illegal.
Maybe McCain will call some 13 year old girl “ugly” so he can insult her parents again too.
He is the second biggest tool in the box.
-GSD
To quote some very dead old writer: “When Pericles speaks, the people turn to each other and say, ‘How well he does orate!’ When Diogenes speaks, the people march.” Welcome here, Diogenes.
Oh, and Virtual Bumper Sticker of the Day:
Let the Piglet Soar!
70, and 80…..yep. I think you’re right on target. Sad. Oh!, 70, yes, the AEI matter…I neglected to mention, that IS a tell-tale sign, if confirmed. IF being the operative word.
What SHOULD MSM be doing? RIGHT NOW, they get their people out…Luskin office, his home, Rover office, where is the Pres? Where is Fitz? Any unusual arrivals at the WH? A bunch could be done…but, you’re right. Too much dogged reporter work for those folks.
Ghostman
Oilfeildguy,
That is some scary shit!
rwcole- I noticed that too when I went googling for “right to work” and found a “right to work” site (anti-union) that had a map of union vs. right to work states. There were a few anomalies, but mostly just what you say. I don’t want to drive traffic to the site, but if anyone googles, it is easy to find.
btw Jane, please feed the gerbil in the wheel — the server is running noticeably slower than usual for the last few hours. The poor lil critter must be getting pooped…
rw- okay, I see you have posted a link to the same site and map that I found.
I belong to a union that, as far as I can tell, does f^#k-all, except send out the occasional email vowing that this year will, at last be the year that we get good insurance. Followed a few months later by a sheepish email admitting that this, in fact, is not that year. But maybe next year.
*ilson- must be a local gerbil- I haven’t noticed any change in access time myself.
hmmm…could blogroll cleaning have popped up on the agenda around, say, 78?
I don’t know if the tr-th o-t story is correct- but I DO think that Rove’s dead meat- we’ll hear about it in the next two weeks- chalk her up–
Next fat ass? The shooter. Then things REALLY get interesting!
*ilson — we’re changing servers either tomorrow or Monday. We’re becoming part of the Crooks & Liars world server empire and should be must faster.
OT -
‘DOJ Moves to Dismiss AT&T Class Action under Cover of Night’
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004659.php
Valley- yeah- big time gooper site- I wasn’t worried about turning any FDL people into goopers.
GREAT post — see my labor comment Santorum post (this morning) number 48.
Jane and Christy, you guys are too cool for school. Always two steps ahead of the meme.
The unions are very important to the democratic party- but membership is slipping- outsourcing of labor offshore is part of the problem- but right to work laws are also a major factor. Big dollars are committed to keeping the right to work laws intact. It would be a major breakthrough if dems could flip a few states. Nevada might be a good target.
diogenes: thank you for this post. It clarifies a few issues for me. I see there is a “Labor” discussion slot at Yearly Kos. Does anyone know if a netroots/labor marriage is on the agenda for discussion?
When Nevada and Colorado go dependably blue- turn out the lights- the party’s over.
Diogenes, this was a very, very good post - right up with the best we have seen here at FDL.
Man was it good to see this after the crap about unions posted at the supposedly progressive Blue Oregon site last weekend.
DMM @ #93
It’s as though we live in a dictatorship without ever moving. That judge is wacko! And the cops, the whole deal is outrageous. Everybody needs to be aware of it as the latest crimes against citizenry.
It is the slippage in union membership that pushes the democratic party in the Clinton DLC direction.
Dems have to make up for the loss of labor votes- and the goopers have snagged a lot of working people with their social issues message. It’s a major strategic problem for dems- probably the BIGGEST strategic problem. If they can’t count on the working man vote- they have to look elsewhere- and corparations are one place to look.
rwcole: as I recall, Nevada recently was the most unionized state in the union — the casino/hotel workers are mostly union…lemme Google the info
From the last thread:
Caldonia says:
May 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
136, 136 Gyro Gear Lo*se
AEI’s website doesn’t list any events for Monday
Kelly O’Donnel on Tinman’s CNBC show tonight, {Which probably taped yesterday}. Mentioned Rove’s speech to the AEI… It was to be on security and how that will p