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	<title>Comments on: FDL Late Nite:  Who&#8217;s Your Hero?</title>
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		<title>By: slothrop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/13/fdl-late-nite-whos-your-hero/#comment-104683</link>
		<dc:creator>slothrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 12:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two men, both recently deceased, come immediately to mind. The first is Ken Hale. He was a long time linguist at MIT. Perhaps most famous as a polyglot, he also studied a number of dying languages (including Tohono O’odham, Navajo, Algonquian languages, Australian aboriginal languages and many more). Hale was a champion of lanugages, and like Edward Sapir, he saw language as the collective genuis of a people, a work of art. He saw language diversity as a positive force in this world. All this makes him a fine linguist, but his true greatness was encouraging Navajos, Tohono O’odhams and others to become linguists and study their own languages. To him that was the greater mission, a mission concerning justice and respect. I had the chance to have dinner with him in Gallup, NM shortly before he died, we spoke of the great work done by Harry Hoijer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David P. McAllester is the other man. He died April 30th. He was a foundering member of the Society of Ethnomusicology. His 1954 book on the aesthetics of the Enemy way among the Navajo is a landmark in anthropology. McAllester took Navajo views about beauty (hozho) seriously. His World Music collection at Wesleyan University is a lasting treasure to the art of peoples around the world. He was known for bringing Navajo artists and performers to Wesleyan, introducing students to new ways of thinking about music. No longer were Navajo songs deficient from Western standards, rather they had to be evaluated by Navajo standards. He was also very generous to me personally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both men were not satisifed with a narrow view of the world, they wanted to learn and understand. And they took the knowledge of other cultures seriously. They saw beauty where once there were only rude dismissals and denials. They would have none of that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two men, both recently deceased, come immediately to mind. The first is Ken Hale. He was a long time linguist at MIT. Perhaps most famous as a polyglot, he also studied a number of dying languages (including Tohono O’odham, Navajo, Algonquian languages, Australian aboriginal languages and many more). Hale was a champion of lanugages, and like Edward Sapir, he saw language as the collective genuis of a people, a work of art. He saw language diversity as a positive force in this world. All this makes him a fine linguist, but his true greatness was encouraging Navajos, Tohono O’odhams and others to become linguists and study their own languages. To him that was the greater mission, a mission concerning justice and respect. I had the chance to have dinner with him in Gallup, NM shortly before he died, we spoke of the great work done by Harry Hoijer.</p>
<p>David P. McAllester is the other man. He died April 30th. He was a foundering member of the Society of Ethnomusicology. His 1954 book on the aesthetics of the Enemy way among the Navajo is a landmark in anthropology. McAllester took Navajo views about beauty (hozho) seriously. His World Music collection at Wesleyan University is a lasting treasure to the art of peoples around the world. He was known for bringing Navajo artists and performers to Wesleyan, introducing students to new ways of thinking about music. No longer were Navajo songs deficient from Western standards, rather they had to be evaluated by Navajo standards. He was also very generous to me personally.</p>
<p>Both men were not satisifed with a narrow view of the world, they wanted to learn and understand. And they took the knowledge of other cultures seriously. They saw beauty where once there were only rude dismissals and denials. They would have none of that.</p>
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		<title>By: kraftysue</title>
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		<dc:creator>kraftysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 03:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bionic, #42,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for asking–no my husband’s murderer has not been caught. We had 19 1/2 great years. It has been difficult but I choose not to let this incident keep me from leading a happy and productive life–otherwise he wins again. I thank God for my kids and grandkids. Chuck lives on in these children.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Thanks for asking–no my husband’s murderer has not been caught. We had 19 1/2 great years. It has been difficult but I choose not to let this incident keep me from leading a happy and productive life–otherwise he wins again. I thank God for my kids and grandkids. Chuck lives on in these children.</p>
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		<title>By: HyperSphere01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/13/fdl-late-nite-whos-your-hero/#comment-104070</link>
		<dc:creator>HyperSphere01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al Gore is my hero.  Talk about a raw deal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Al Gore is the type of guy who believes in his fellow man and wants to help.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;after that Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart are my heroes..  make that superheroes!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Hype&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore is my hero.  Talk about a raw deal.</p>
<p>Al Gore is the type of guy who believes in his fellow man and wants to help.  </p>
<p>after that Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart are my heroes..  make that superheroes!</p>
<p>-Hype</p>
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		<title>By: Bionic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/13/fdl-late-nite-whos-your-hero/#comment-103905</link>
		<dc:creator>Bionic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 19:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just finished reading all of these posts.  I have tears in my eyes.  Thank you everyone for posting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And to everyone who apologized for making a story too long (I except myself in this as it is not for me to decide if it applies) I just want to say that I found all of your stories moving and wonderful and far too short.  You left me wanting more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find myself thinking about all of our forebears who had to be strong against tough odds and who, despite everything, made it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I loved the Plutarch quote.  The glory does indeed belong to the ancestors, but it has been wonderful to have been touched by them through you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I just finished reading all of these posts.  I have tears in my eyes.  Thank you everyone for posting.</p>
<p>And to everyone who apologized for making a story too long (I except myself in this as it is not for me to decide if it applies) I just want to say that I found all of your stories moving and wonderful and far too short.  You left me wanting more.</p>
<p>I find myself thinking about all of our forebears who had to be strong against tough odds and who, despite everything, made it.</p>
<p>I loved the Plutarch quote.  The glory does indeed belong to the ancestors, but it has been wonderful to have been touched by them through you.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marjie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 15:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s hard to look around me and name heroes.  Most of them are gone — I’m 83 this year.  George McGovern, Ralph Nader and E L. Doctorow are the three still hanging around.  Gone are William Coffin, M.L. King, Eliot Richardson, R.F. Kennedy, Rosa Parks, William Fulbright, Eleanor Roosevelt, Ed Murrow, Maggie Kuhn, Margaret Chase Smith, and, last but not least, my wonderful Mother.&lt;br /&gt;
The list is too long, but maybe those named above give you an idea of my values.&lt;br /&gt;
All of them demonstrated courage, fairness, generosity and great faith in the people of this nation.&lt;br /&gt;
Marjie Colson&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s hard to look around me and name heroes.  Most of them are gone — I’m 83 this year.  George McGovern, Ralph Nader and E L. Doctorow are the three still hanging around.  Gone are William Coffin, M.L. King, Eliot Richardson, R.F. Kennedy, Rosa Parks, William Fulbright, Eleanor Roosevelt, Ed Murrow, Maggie Kuhn, Margaret Chase Smith, and, last but not least, my wonderful Mother.<br />
The list is too long, but maybe those named above give you an idea of my values.<br />
All of them demonstrated courage, fairness, generosity and great faith in the people of this nation.<br />
Marjie Colson</p>
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		<title>By: rusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 14:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;!ztiF - EPU’d zone. happy day to all the moms!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!ztiF &#8211; EPU’d zone. happy day to all the moms!</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First:  my father.  Dad died of lung cancer when I was ten.  He was forty-five, the same age I am now.  But that’s not the only memory he left me.  One day when I was in elementary school, I wore a kilt to school, along with a Glengarry cap Dad had bought me in Williamsburg on the last family vacation the summer before (my mom’s family is of Scottish descent).  My school could be pretty redneck, and I got teased hideously.  When Dad came to pick me up that afternoon, I was in tears.  He said something that stuck and has never left me:  that everyone should be proud of whatever heritage they came from, and that I should be who I am without shame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dad also had no patience with the segregationist nonsense.  He argued with my mother’s parents all the time about MLK and the civil rights movement.  When his partner in the civil engineering firm dropped a black draftsman’s paycheck on the floor in front of him, Dad went ballistic, and told the draftsman not to pick it up.  The partner was trying to humiliate the poor man deliberately.  At the end of it, Dad reached down, picked up the check, and put it in his draftsman’s hand, with an apology for the crappy way the partner had behaved.  That was the end of that business relationship — the draftsman stayed, and the partner was history. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other heroes:  Jimmy Carter.  Don’t laugh:  I have endless respect for the guy who got Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat to sign a peace deal between Egypt and Israel.  No one believed it would happen, that no one could get these two to sign.  But Carter did it.  And everything he’s done with Habitat for Humanity has increased that respect.  Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, MLK Jr., Margaret Sanger, and the thousands of ordinary men and women who comprised the Knights of Labor back in the late 19th century.  Mark Twain for having the guts to call it like he saw it — his moniker for the Gilded Age, the Great Barbecue, applies today.  I’d love to hear his take on the current mess — it would rival Colbert’s skewering at the WHCD.  Salman Rushdie, for refusing to shut up when threatened with death over _The Satanic Verses_, and continuing to write some of the best global political commentary around.  Molly Ivins, for fighting her battle with cancer with grace and humor, and for turning that needle-sharp wit on the Bush administration. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, to deconstruct my own preferences, my heroes refuse to hear that something is impossible, that they cannot possibly win, that they might as well give in and go along to get along.  They don’t care who laughs or argues.  They stick to their guns and win just out of sheer stubbornness — because they believe that their course, their aims are just, true, and humane.  They continue despite the risks — of failure (be it financial, political, social, etc.), of public ridicule, of unjust imprisonment, of death itself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First:  my father.  Dad died of lung cancer when I was ten.  He was forty-five, the same age I am now.  But that’s not the only memory he left me.  One day when I was in elementary school, I wore a kilt to school, along with a Glengarry cap Dad had bought me in Williamsburg on the last family vacation the summer before (my mom’s family is of Scottish descent).  My school could be pretty redneck, and I got teased hideously.  When Dad came to pick me up that afternoon, I was in tears.  He said something that stuck and has never left me:  that everyone should be proud of whatever heritage they came from, and that I should be who I am without shame.</p>
<p>Dad also had no patience with the segregationist nonsense.  He argued with my mother’s parents all the time about MLK and the civil rights movement.  When his partner in the civil engineering firm dropped a black draftsman’s paycheck on the floor in front of him, Dad went ballistic, and told the draftsman not to pick it up.  The partner was trying to humiliate the poor man deliberately.  At the end of it, Dad reached down, picked up the check, and put it in his draftsman’s hand, with an apology for the crappy way the partner had behaved.  That was the end of that business relationship — the draftsman stayed, and the partner was history. </p>
<p>Other heroes:  Jimmy Carter.  Don’t laugh:  I have endless respect for the guy who got Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat to sign a peace deal between Egypt and Israel.  No one believed it would happen, that no one could get these two to sign.  But Carter did it.  And everything he’s done with Habitat for Humanity has increased that respect.  Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, MLK Jr., Margaret Sanger, and the thousands of ordinary men and women who comprised the Knights of Labor back in the late 19th century.  Mark Twain for having the guts to call it like he saw it — his moniker for the Gilded Age, the Great Barbecue, applies today.  I’d love to hear his take on the current mess — it would rival Colbert’s skewering at the WHCD.  Salman Rushdie, for refusing to shut up when threatened with death over _The Satanic Verses_, and continuing to write some of the best global political commentary around.  Molly Ivins, for fighting her battle with cancer with grace and humor, and for turning that needle-sharp wit on the Bush administration. </p>
<p>So, to deconstruct my own preferences, my heroes refuse to hear that something is impossible, that they cannot possibly win, that they might as well give in and go along to get along.  They don’t care who laughs or argues.  They stick to their guns and win just out of sheer stubbornness — because they believe that their course, their aims are just, true, and humane.  They continue despite the risks — of failure (be it financial, political, social, etc.), of public ridicule, of unjust imprisonment, of death itself.</p>
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		<title>By: PeteCO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/13/fdl-late-nite-whos-your-hero/#comment-103607</link>
		<dc:creator>PeteCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My parents &amp; grandparents, for being among the millions who endured the blitz of London during WW2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F.A. Hayek, George Orwell &amp; Winston Churchill. Three different shades of Liberal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents &amp; grandparents, for being among the millions who endured the blitz of London during WW2.</p>
<p>F.A. Hayek, George Orwell &amp; Winston Churchill. Three different shades of Liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: DMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 13:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heroes,hmmmm.&lt;br /&gt;
  First I also have to go with my parents(my dad is a stepfather,but he is the one that stepped up to the plate,did the work so to speak.He’s my dad).Raising me in a very hippie household,late ’60’s early ’70’s I think I soaked in a distrust of power.Too young for Watergate to make much impression(investination per-empted Scooby Doo though,pissed me off)I do remember watching Nixon’s resignation speech sitting on Dad’s knee,a rather festive feeling in the air.&lt;br /&gt;
   I became a reading addict,Heinlin,Asminoff,Tolkin,fantasy,sci-fi,horror,adventure.Many of Heinlin’s themes resinated with me,taking root(if you think he was all sci-fi,look again,a lot of political thinking there).Not much political thought in the ’80’s,all beer and 420,but a growing distrust of Reagan and Bush1,sturring those early seeds planted by my folks.&lt;br /&gt;
  Kind of hate to say it now,but Bill Clinton.Waking up politically in the ’90’s,I wanted health insurance damnmit!(I’m still one of the great uninsured).Bill was an inspiring politition in many areas.I did’nt care what he did with Monica,but I was pissed he allowed something so stupid to override all he did.&lt;br /&gt;
  I’ve voted against Bush both times,supported the action in Afganistan,knew Iraq was B/S,hate most anything Bush has done,not knee jerk Bush hating,just because most of what he does is just plain wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
  Latest heroes are the leaders in the blogesphere(including Jane,Christy,Pach).You have inspired me to become more than just a voter,to actually get involved,give time and money.Thanks to you all!Week after next I’ll walk into a few offices on the Hill to express myself in person,a member of a growing Net-grassroots orginization.I’ll let you know how it goes….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heroes,hmmmm.<br />
  First I also have to go with my parents(my dad is a stepfather,but he is the one that stepped up to the plate,did the work so to speak.He’s my dad).Raising me in a very hippie household,late ’60’s early ’70’s I think I soaked in a distrust of power.Too young for Watergate to make much impression(investination per-empted Scooby Doo though,pissed me off)I do remember watching Nixon’s resignation speech sitting on Dad’s knee,a rather festive feeling in the air.<br />
   I became a reading addict,Heinlin,Asminoff,Tolkin,fantasy,sci-fi,horror,adventure.Many of Heinlin’s themes resinated with me,taking root(if you think he was all sci-fi,look again,a lot of political thinking there).Not much political thought in the ’80’s,all beer and 420,but a growing distrust of Reagan and Bush1,sturring those early seeds planted by my folks.<br />
  Kind of hate to say it now,but Bill Clinton.Waking up politically in the ’90’s,I wanted health insurance damnmit!(I’m still one of the great uninsured).Bill was an inspiring politition in many areas.I did’nt care what he did with Monica,but I was pissed he allowed something so stupid to override all he did.<br />
  I’ve voted against Bush both times,supported the action in Afganistan,knew Iraq was B/S,hate most anything Bush has done,not knee jerk Bush hating,just because most of what he does is just plain wrong.<br />
  Latest heroes are the leaders in the blogesphere(including Jane,Christy,Pach).You have inspired me to become more than just a voter,to actually get involved,give time and money.Thanks to you all!Week after next I’ll walk into a few offices on the Hill to express myself in person,a member of a growing Net-grassroots orginization.I’ll let you know how it goes….</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 13:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dumbo  @ 192~&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;“Trust me, come 2008, Iraq will be the only issue. Bush has already stated he plans to leave this mess to the next president to solve. (I guess thatâ€™s what â€œstaying the courseâ€ gets you, eh?)”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I think what Bush meant by, “stay the course”, is that he won’t run out of this job the way he ran out of every other job he fucked up. And that’s only because he can’t just up and quit.  BUT we could IMPEACH the s-o-b and make him leave.&lt;br /&gt;
But I, too, think the real issue is Iraq and the fantasy WOT and the complete abuse of power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbo  @ 192~<br />
<i>“Trust me, come 2008, Iraq will be the only issue. Bush has already stated he plans to leave this mess to the next president to solve. (I guess thatâ€™s what â€œstaying the courseâ€ gets you, eh?)”</i><br />
I think what Bush meant by, “stay the course”, is that he won’t run out of this job the way he ran out of every other job he fucked up. And that’s only because he can’t just up and quit.  BUT we could IMPEACH the s-o-b and make him leave.<br />
But I, too, think the real issue is Iraq and the fantasy WOT and the complete abuse of power.</p>
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