
Let me start by saying that I haven’t heard a peep about any grand jury doings as yet this morning. But since they generally are not scheduled to begin until at least 9:30 am, that’s not a shocker. Will report in the minute I hear anything. (And I’m hoping that Matthews didn’t get it wrong yesterday.)
Spent some time last night reading through the various response briefs from the media entities to Team Libby’s big response. And I have to say, it was a fun read through in terms of lawyering, but also in terms of the level of snark that the lawyers managed to slip into their counterpunch at Team Libby and their evolving defense theories. (A huge thank you goes out to Jeralyn for hosting all these docs at TalkLeft. Gracias!)
I previously discussed the Team Libby filing in The Miller’s Tale and Other Legal Wranglings, Part I, Part II and Part III. (Man, am I wordy or what? Sheesh.) Jane covered the Judy Miller response to Team Libby in Drama — let’s just say La Diva Judy is not so happy with Scooter these days.
The other media responses: from NBC News and on behalf of Andrea Mitchell and Tim Russert; from Matt Cooper; and from Time Magazine — well, they are just a hoot, and I’m especially fond of the NBC response. All of the media responses to Team Libby can be summed up thusly: you are reaching, you don’t get to go on a fishing expedition to save your client’s behind, and we aren’t handing over anything that isn’t material to the case without the judge ordering us to do so, and we doubt that he will.
Here’s a prime example of that sentiment from the NBC/Mitchell/Russert response brief:
Defendant’s case rests entirely on serial speculation — i.e., if Ms. Mitchell knew about Ms. Wilson and her employment prior to July 11, and if Ms. Mitchell shared that information with Mr. Russert before he talked with Defendant, and if Mr. Russert then shared the same information with Defendant, then her testimony would "be important to the defense." (p. 4 of brief) (emphasis NBC’s lawyers)
Here’s a rule of thumb — you can’t call a witness that you know is not going to be favorable to your case solely to raise questions about that witness to confuse the jury. It’s called bootstrapping, and judges do not like it. Let alone the fact that it is not allowed under the rules. (A good review of the law concerning this "bootstrapping" technique is on pages 5 and 6 of the NBC brief.)
The bottom line is that oral arguments are scheduled for all of this on May 16, and it ought to be a lively discussion. Team Libby is not likely to win a lot of this, and I can’t help but wonder why ask for the entire enchilada instead of asking that the judge review potentially relevent materials in camera — why ask for everything publicly like this? And it comes back to trying the case in public to influence…whom? Donors to the defense fund? To keep wingnut supporters happy? To rattle the cage of someone in the Administration? It’s an odd tactic, and one that I would welcome discussion on — because they are not entitled to information that is not relevant, not admissible and which is cumulative of discovery they have already received from Patrick Fitzgerald and his team.



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FITZ !!!
Fitz-le fo-shizzle, yo!
It’s raining here in Chicago. A little action in the name of justice sure would add a little sun to my day.
Gosh, they can’t use the media as a firewall. Boo-fucking-hoo. Scooter has to understand that his new name is Jonah, and his protests at being thrown to the Leviathan are unseemly.
top o’ the morning, folks. Front page of the SF Chronicle, below the fold (there was some other related story taking up most of the front page…something about phones):
Book tops charts before it’s published
Influential bloggers, promotional video make ‘Patriot’ a hit
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, May 12, 2006
Several bloggers have cranked out books, but a first-time San Francisco publisher, with assistance from liberal bloggers, helped push one from obscurity to the No. 1 spot on Amazon’s best-seller charts in a day — even before advance copies were printed.
Written by lawyer-turned-blogger Glenn Greenwald, the rise of “How Would a Patriot Act: Defending America from a President Run Amok” is a San Francisco-forged tale of new media leading the old, in which a video created to accompany the book was out before the bound copies, and the video’s circulation turned out to be more valuable than kudos from book critics. …
waiting, oh so waiting here in yamato…needing my fitzy-o’s to get into the weekend right….or at least another fancy-pants resignation…please?
thanks for being as-always on-top-of-it in the morning, christy…you are the shizzle!
Question: Why all Fitz? Seems this guy is being run ragged with both Libby and Rove, particularly when all the legal wrangling starts. Is Fitz intent on a connection or will both cases spiral separately?
Seems to me that the leaking of the name is being abandoned as the crime and we are back to prosecuting for the coverup.
Man, are we counting on this guy.
got EPU’d:
Bushie will be interrupting The King of Queens, Oprah Winfrey’s Legends Ball, Prison Break: Fight Season Finale, and bill o’rielly to talk about illegals.
Kick the King in his balls and throw him in prison with bill ’cause he’s doin’ shit that’s illegal.
Angie from previous thread
MSNBC started replaying Countdown the next morning at 9:00 about two weeks ago. KO ratings are up and I think they are realizing that they may be onto something and are trying to get him to be seen by more people.
Wow, I just saw a picture of Imus and talk about an old guy trying to look young! Yikes, scary!
cathy #9 – don’t stare directly into the Imus
Christy a question was posed late last nite and I am still wondering about it. It’s at 115 and 117 on the late nite thread. Also wrt to to the motion hearing on the 16th– the calender has 8 different entries that are all for Libby- with mostly sequential numbers; is that for each motion or something?
OT: FDL Mentioned in this article!
I’m with you, louatime. The actual outing of Plame was the original mandate of Fitz, was it not? Can he continue to prosecute for perjury and obstruction and never get to the underlying crime without agitating his supporters, of whom I include myself. Not that he would or should care, but still. What is the purpose of continuing on if everbody keeps lying and getting prosecuted for it? Seems he must eventually cut his losses if he can’t get past the obstructions.
Thanks choochmac and yay for KO and the Americans who have not seen him before!
twolf1-
I’d laugh if the networks don’t cover his speech.
Angie at 11 — I’ll take a peek at the late nite questions, but with regard to the numbering on the schedule — for some reason each of the media subpoenas was given a separate case number, so that’s why they are sequential. But it’s all dealing with the media subpoenas and the motions to quash them. Should be an interesting hearing — and some “spirited” arguments from both Judy Miller’s counsel and the counsel from NBC, in particular, just based on their responses.
Might I add to the speculation scenario? Who’s Official A going to be for Rove’s indictments? See, I’m jumping right over the when & what for indictments as the suspense is killing me on Rove. As far as Team Libby I think they’re aiming at a Passive Aggressive defense and making Libby a victim in eyes of the base. Raw Story has Bush @ 29 folks!
When I practiced in Federal Court in DC, we generally asked for subpoena material publicly, as you put it, with no mention of in-camera review. It was assumed, if you had a hearing on third-party subpoenas, that the judge would have to sift through it. Of course, Team Scooter wants as many documents public as possible, given that their strategy is to throw up mucho dust and confusion, and given that Fitz’s flings have so effectively set the public narrative in the case. The more confusing the case seems from the outside, the more the public will buy Scooter’s “I was sooo busy” defense. Just my thoughts, nothing too different from what you’ve written already. Love the posts, by the way — the best on the Plame case.
thinkprogress has matthews/imus stuff up:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-be-today/
What we’ve seen so far from Team Libby is a lot of sound and fury, signifying – it appears – the lack of any substantive defense (as opposed to “nothingâ€), and the hope that if they lose on the legal issues, they might, through targeted leaking and shaping of the facts, be able to win in the court of public opinion. I think it’s significant that in the last appearance in court, Judge Walton asked the most obvious question: how does whether or not Joe Wilson is or isn’t a liar have any bearing on whether Libby lied?
Maybe they’re hoping for some half-assed polls like the WaPo/ABC poll that says 66% of the public supports the latest NSA collection of phone numbers. Like the WaPo poll, favorable polling on Libby’s case isn’t going to change whether laws were broken, but in Libby’s case, maybe it influences the potential jury pool. If that’s all you’ve got, I guess you have to go for it. But, if you look at the talk after that hearing, you heard many people talking about the “at least five people†who will testify that Joe Wilson told them his wife worked at the CIA. So, the fact that it’s irrelevant becomes irrelevant if it takes people’s attention off the ball.
Whew, for a minute there I thought KO was Kate O’Biern.
Oh, and even though Libby’s chances are now slim to get a pardon from Bush, what do you suppose Libby’s reaction, or Rove’s for that matter, will be when they realize that Bush just might not be around at the end of his term to pardon them?
cathy 15 – i hope they don’t. TV is all about ratings and Chimpster’s ratings aren’t lookin’ so good at 29%.
OT, but from an AP report entitled “Nation Split on NSA Records Collection” by Erin McClam, spotted in the Guardian:
The word continues to spread.
“Fitx’s filings”, sorry. Flings, hehe.
Well, the stock market seems to have caught a very bad cold. And the dollar seems to be going through a near-death experience.
So you own a basket of stocks representative of the DJ Ind. It goes down a couple of percent and the dollar goes down a couple of percent. You are not feeling well at all. You calling your shrink to see if doubling up the Prozac will help.
This is as bad as the poll numbers for Bush. Maybe worse, because what good does it do to gut the capital gains tax if there are no capital gains?
Concern Troll alerts at 6 (louatime) and 13(sunny)
So undiciplined of me to respond but, no he will not “agiate” his support if he continues on as he has been–following the facts and the law whereever they may lead him.
Fairness, honesty, integrity and competence–that’s what we want from him, that’s what we get. Every time.
choochmac, thanks for your #8.
thank you Christy!
I haven’t heared
Is this a West Virginia colloquialism?
I do enjoy your commentary and I’m a terrible typist who makes worse mistakes almost daily.
Thanks lhp, well done, as per usual.
lol rege at 30 — actually, that is a WV colloquialism from my mother’s family’s neck of the woods — but for me, it was a typo. Clearly, I’m gonna have to drink more coffee. Thanks for the heads up.
So Matthews basically has nothing, he’s just reiterating what he heard from Schuster, and rightly noting that today is one possible day, given the schedule we’ve been hearing about. But it could be next week. In other words, the media are playing it safe, staking out the courthouse, and nobody knows anything.
I’m keeping my eye on Qwest share price and volume today. So far it went from $6.51 to $6.43. I imagine they will be labeled as terrorists for not helping Americans to stay safe in a time of war.
I don’t know about a pardon for Libby, but we need look no further than the shutdown of the DoJs investigation into the NSAs warrantless wiretapping to see how this could go. We may be Fitz’ most ardent supporters, but we’re not his boss.
Christy,
You’ve made donors possessive — it’s supposed to be plural. No apostrophe. For you, I’ll assume it’s a typo…
Christy — I was thinking, another reason to try this case in public: Presidential pardon. The more confused the public is, the less convinced that Libby is guilty of something grave, the less political fallout from a pardon, ala Casper Weinberger. Scooter is a team player, a (Rep) party man, and he expects a pardon.
Thanks to The Captain and WIlliam TImberman – I’ve now changed the only bookmark that matters to read: Leftwing Firedoglake
Thanks, Christy – great as usual. Shorter media response: “Nice try, Irv.”
BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4765355.stm
US lambasted on secret detainees
The head of the International Committee of the Red Cross has criticised the US for refusing to let it visit secret detainees held in the “war on terror”.
Jakob Kellenberger said their names should not be concealed “no matter how legitimate the grounds for detention”.
The US has been accused of operating secret prisons and transporting some detainees to states which use torture.
It admits some use of third countries, but says prisoners are never transferred for the purpose of torture.
Both the UN and a European Parliament committee have been trying to probe some of the claims.
I love to see the concern trolls. A sign they are running scared right now.
Nothing new here.
IMUS Transcript this morning courtesy THINK PROGRESS:
“MATTHEWS: If, however, something happens with Karl Rove, we’re going to go to general quarters around here.
IMUS: What does that mean?
MATTHEWS: Meaning we will be taping probably on Saturday or late night because everything will change. Last time, when he picked up Scooter, when he nailed him 30 years of charges, that happened on 1:00 on a Friday. So we don’t know when it might happen, if it’s going happen.
IMUS: Are we expecting something with Karl Rove today?
MATTHEWS: Well, it could be today. It could be next week. Everybody is buzzing about when or if. It’s a big if, big when. There is a lot of talk because he is still being interviewing by the special prosecutor. He keeps being hauled before the grand jury. So something is going on here with the special prosecutor. We don’t know whether he is going to clear him or nail him.”
End of Transcript
TP: “Last night, Matthews reported that the grand jury is meeting today. Raw Story reports that networks are staking out the courthouse.”
“the only bookmark that matters”
I loved that one.
Re: louatime and sunny
I’m all for honesty and integrity and all, but let’s not become Fitzbots in the process. As someone who supports this investigation wholeheartedly, I think calling louatime and sunny trolls, for having legitimate concerns is a bit much.
Condi Rice and others face subpoenas in Franklin case
Attorneys for Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, the two former AIPAC officials indicted for receiving classified information from former Pentagon official Lawrence Franklin, are preparing to subpoena several current and former Bush administration officials.
Abbe Lowell, a First Amendment specialist representing Rosen, sought and received approval from US District Court judge T.S. Ellis to subpoena Condoleezza Rice, retired General Anthony Zinni, Ambassador David Satterfield and Ambassador William Burns. All four have served the Bush administration in various capacities involving the Middle East, and Franklin held down the Iran desk in former Pentagon official Doug Feith’s office.
fwiw, there’s a full moon tonight … perhaps its the run-up to it that’s getting us all loony ?
I found the collective responses an amusing read, too. What really struck me was how it appeared that Libby’s defense was going to be “everybody BUT me is lying.”
Yeah, that’s the ticket! They’re all liars, everyone. Why, I’m the only one telling the truth! Yeah, that’s it.
The Jon Lovitz defense.
Jeff at 34
Jeralyn at talkleft says:
“Will Rove be indicted? I think that comes next week. But stay glued to the news, and FDL for updates.”
No reason given on this post but I am sure it was on a previous post.
OT – bloomberg:
Christy, I meant to ask – what’s the pic from? Reminds me a little of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, but it’s not from the film.
(Yay for instant preview – my closing tag was /a instead of /i. I almost turned the thread into a big wad of italics.)
looseheadprop @27:
Concern Troll alerts at 6 (louatime) and 13(sunny)
I have to take exception to that. I believe with all my heart that Fitz epitomizes fairness, honesty, integrity, and competence; that he is in fact, our greatest American hero at this point in history. (In fact, I want to marry him and have his baby)
My point was, if he cannot get anyone in this investigation to tell the truth, should he continue on for years, prosecuting the cover-up and not the crime? I hope by now that someone has told the truth and indictments over the underlying crime are forthcoming.(my hope would be conspiracy and espionage charges) My post was in no way meant to imply that I had lost trust in Fitz, but comes from his own words, something about not being able to get at the crime when people are throwing sand in his eyes.
How much did time and money did Ken Starr spend again……I forget.
OT yet again – More Uranium Reportedly Found in Iran
here we go again
and yellowcake was found in a Tehran bakery near an African embassy . . .
Angie at 12 — were you talking about the questions regarding potential sealed indictments? It’s true that there could be sealed indictments in this case — and there was a bit of an odd thing on a motion prior to the Libby announcement, after the jury had voted out his indictment. Often you see sealed indictments in drug cases — where you have a conspiracy that is ongoing, and you don’t want to tip off the whole of the conspiracy that you are on to the drug network. You also see them when you have a person who is in jeopardy, who cuts a deal and agrees to plead out and cooperate — but whose plea on an information is held pending indictments in the case. That’s also possible. The bottom line is we just won’t know if anything is out there until the investigation is concluded — which is part of the pressure that a prosecutor gets to exert on people who might get caught in the net to cooperate or face criminal consequences.
This is somewhat off topic, but my favorite bit of snark comes from Judge Wright’s dismissal of Jones v. Clinton:
Although it is not clear why plaintiff failed to receive flowers on Secretary’s Day in 1992, such an omission does not give rise to a federal cause of action ….
In plain English:
Yes, you didn’t get flowers on Secretary’s Day. Don’t make a federal case out of it!
ccmask #53:
I believe that it was $40 million.
Whilst waiting, read some positive news;
‘The Resurrection of Al Gore’
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/gore.html
sunny 52, to paraphrase Don Rumsfeld, you go to trial with the charges you have, not the charges you’d like to have. If Fitz can nail the conspirators for perjury, obstruction, etc., it’s better than not nailing them at all.
Well here I go again! I just put my bottle of Champagne in the fridge again. It’s still un-opened from Nov 1,04 when I bought it. The label is a little dog eared by now.
i’m gonna fry me up a big perch and put it between 2 slices of yellowcake… mmmm…mmmmm… heh heh heh
Are we havin’ Fitz yet?
OT– Well the 2 pretty faces on MSNBC showed their utter ignorance about the world pretty well. They showed a clip of a young foreign lady eating yellow clay/dirt and said how completely crazy/unheard of that is giggling and shaking their heads. Never mind that geophagy was and probably still is practiced right here in the US of A.
Joel @ 19
…given that Fitz’s flings…
What’s Sharkbabe going to make of this revelation?
:~)
“…And I can’t help but wonder why ask for the entire enchilada instead of asking that the judge review potentially relevent materials in camera — why ask for everything publicly like this?”
They are telegraphing Libby’s distress to all those ‘Aspens’ connected at the ‘roots’. Likely in hope of creating or co-ordinating external pressure for the Neo-Cons. There are probably people materially and idealistically very passionate about the outcome of this case, ’sticking together’ will require being in on the ‘battle plan’.
Just my two cents…
Thanks a million, Christy!!!
twolf1 @ 62 – heh, bon appetit!
Angie- if the indictment is sealed and new information comes to light and the prosecutor wants to amend the charges, he has to go back to the gj and obtain a superceding indictment; presenting the entire case again. But instead of bringing all the witnesses back, usually presents the testimony in the format of a question and answer with an investigator who provides previously sworn testimony.
I know better than this but,
Sunny, would you feel the same way if the crime being covered up was Child Molestation ?
Ed Beckman – I have a bottle of champagne from Nov 04 too. Waiting for Rove now
Gang, I know we are all on edge this morning , wondering if Chris Matthews got it right last night or was just hyping the Friday show or something. But let’s not take out whatever edgy, too much caffeine thing on each other. Don’t be too quick to throw out the concern troll label. But at the same time, as I’ve said any number of times before, a five count indictment for felonies — including perjury, false statements to FBI agents and obstruction, isn’t something small. And I still see it as a smart move, preventing obstruction of the prosecution on graymail defense tactics. So let’s all take a collective deep breath and I’ll let everyone know the minute I hear something.
Thanks a million to you too, Dru!!!
Faux News is asking, “should the NSA Leaker be prosecuted.”
Christy, I too appreciate all that you do every morning to get our day going!
OT
Had my first run-in with a FOBS (Former Obtuse Bush Supporter), someone that voted for Bush (twice) BUT has finally come to see the light. I know others have posted on this topic, and Jane had that strange cab ride to the airport last month. But it’s still shocking everytime it happens.
This particular person is a weekly bible thumper, and was cheering on that sad day in November 2004 when Bush was re-elected. Well, her husband works in an “auto industry” related job, which, because of gas prices isn’t going so well. She had some choice words about Bush, and how his wealthy family doesn’t understand everyday people.
It’s sad that it took gas prices for these FOBS to really see Bush for what he is. But at this point, we’ll take whatever we can get!
Christy, you are the cat’s meow! There simply aren’t words to properly thank you for de-mystifying/translating/clarifying the otherwise bewildering Libby defense team’s machinations.
Your law school must be bursting with pride!
My burning question: would Bush dare fire Fitz ala Nixon and Archibal Cox?
Just thought we should note, with much thanks to Jane and Christy, that sometime this week, the total visits to Firedoglake passed the 10,000,000 mark. Check the site meter at the bottom of the page.
Well done.
I’m a little slow on the uptake….just figured out why the comment numbers shift sometimes. A “comment awaiting moderation” (i.e. #5), once approved for posting, gets inserted at its original posting time, bumping all those that were posted subsequently.
Okay, it is now 10:30 and the GJ usually starts around 9:30 (so I understand from people here at FDL).
Does that indicate or suggest that it is likely that nothing is happening today w/r/t indictments?
Thanks.
I think they are trying to create the notion that Fitzgerald is on a Witch hunt. They want the non-reading portion of the American Republic to hear how the trial is ‘casting a wide net’ and ’shackling the media’. Implant the idea that Fitzgerald is just hunting around looking for someone to take out. Scooter is the first one he managed to trap. The fact that Libby’s Lawyers are the ones casting about will be totally lost on non-reading Americans.
I think we will also see a generalized “This is actually an attack on George Bush and Dick Cheney” sales job. Especially when Rove is indicted.
The ultimate goal is; of course, to create the FAITH that George Bush’s Pardons are justified because all of it is a partisan Witch hunt. At least to the non-reading Bushyphants.
From the transcript:
1. Judith Miller talked to Libby on July 2 as well as June 23 and July 8.
2. Woodward talked to Libby.
I thought FDL wasn’t going to “delete” troll postings because it messes up the numbering. I thought they were going to be editted in place.
Sunny said:
I, for one, am gratified that SOMEONE is persevering in the quest for truth, something there seems to be little energy for or interest in in other areas of the government. Not telling the truth after being sworn to do just that is a crime in and of itself, and in this case, the lies aren’t about whether someone did or didn’t have sex with someone, but about whether someone did or didn’t disclose the name of a covert CIA agent. That the major players in this case may be collectively stonewalling, and continuing to lie, is not a tactic Fitzgerald is looking to encourage, which is exactly what that would do.
Sunny at 52,
Yes he should prosecute the coverup. As much as you would like the visceral pleasure of a conspiracy trial on the “OUTING”; in order to do that he would have to be able to get a truckload of classified info unclassified.
GREYMAIL
His case would be over the day after indictment (OK not THE day after, but you get my point)
The only way to avoid the same fate asthe Sybil Edmonds case is to go after the cover-up. I think he reached this conclusion VERY EARLY ON. That’s why he went back to Comey for the second letter clarifying that his delgation of authority included obstruction realted crimes.
He understood in a prescient (fey psychic Irishman that he is) way that the administration was going to abuse classification power (please go back and read Mary’s many excellent comments on this topic) in exactly the way they have used it up to and including the recent blocking of the DOJ professional Integrity Unit’s investigation by refusing security clearences to the investigationg attorney’s.
This is not a game for our amusement. This is a high stakes investigation of public corruption or the worste sort at the highest levels of government.
All the “Fitzmas” tee shirts and “fitzo de Mayo” parties may be fun for us, but for Team Fitz this is serious and he obviously takes it seriously.
So, pardon me if I don’t take you suppsed “concern” for his possible loss of support if he doesn’t indict what YOU THINK he should.
He is doing what he should do, the way he should do it. He makes me proud to be able to call myself a lawyer.
Maybe they can take this to a Military Tribunal…
~
OT, but thought this might be of interest regarding the NSA and telecoms liability.
Think Progress outlines in detail:
1. It violates the Stored Communications Act. The Stored Communications Act, Section 2703(c), provides exactly five exceptions that would permit a phone company to disclose to the government the list of calls to or from a subscriber: (i) a warrant; (ii) a court order; (iii) the customer’s consent; (iv) for telemarketing enforcement; or (v) by “administrative subpoena.†The first four clearly don’t apply. As for administrative subpoenas, where a government agency asks for records without court approval, there is a simple answer – the NSA has no administrative subpoena authority, and it is the NSA that reportedly got the phone records.
2. The penalty for violating the Stored Communications Act is $1000 per individual violation. Section 2707 of the Stored Communications Act gives a private right of action to any telephone customer “aggrieved by any violation.†If the phone company acted with a “knowing or intentional state of mind,†then the customer wins actual harm, attorney’s fees, and “in no case shall a person entitled to recover receive less than the sum of $1,000.â€
(The phone companies might say they didn’t “know†they were violating the law. But USA Today reports that Qwest’s lawyers knew about the legal risks, which are bright and clear in the statute book.)
3. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act doesn’t get the telcos off the hook. According to USA Today, the NSA did not go to the FISA court to get a court order. And Qwest is quoted as saying that the Attorney General would not certify that the request was lawful under FISA. So FISA provides no defense for the phone companies, either.
In other words, for every 1 million Americans whose records were turned over to NSA, the telcos could be liable for $1 billion in penalties, plus attorneys fees. You do the math.
– Peter Swire and Judd Legum
Thank you Fitz and watch your back!
punaise says: “
A “comment awaiting moderation†(i.e. #5), once approved for posting, gets inserted at its original posting time, bumping all those that were posted subsequently.”
May 12th, 2006 at 7:32 am
Christy -
How can we determine which posts, having awaited moderation, were approved for posting?
OT– MSNBC just read aloud 3 emails and all were dismissive of the NSA wiretapping. All the ones opposed were just put on the screen without being read while radio hosts and the tv anchor are jabbering.
real fair and balanced.
My gut says it’s not going to be today. (DISCLOSURE: I picked next Friday in the pool.)
My understanding of comment numbering shifts has to do with comments awaiting moderation, as punaise described above. Most of those are probably re-posted EPU’d comments from the previous thread. Once they are reviewed by the moderater, they take their original comment number, bumping everyone else.
Chris Matthews on Imus:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-be-today/
Susan at 86
Somebody asked a while back (might have been on lasatnight’s thread) if anybody had thoughts about a class action suit.
My dear, I think you may be on to something with that. The plaintiff’s bar (such as the AMerican Trial LAwyer’s Association) will probably not overlook this either.
SOOOO much money at stake and nice deep pockets to get that money from. All except Qwest.
In this case it may turn out that virtue really was it’s own reward! ;-)
From ABC via Raw Story:
Phone-Records Surveillance Is Broadly Acceptable to Public
By GARY LANGER and DALIA SUSSMAN
May 12, 2006 — – Americans by nearly a 2-1 ratio call the surveillance of telephone records an acceptable way for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, expressing broad unconcern even if their own calling patterns are scrutinized.
Lending support to the administration’s defense of its anti-terrorism intelligence efforts, 63 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the secret program, disclosed Thursday by USA Today, is justified, while far fewer, 35 percent, call it unjustified.
NSA Phone Records Program
Yes No
Is collecting phone
records acceptable? 63% 35%
Would it bother you if there
was a record of your phone calls? 34 66
This republic cannot be saved if the masses do not wish to save it. That’s one difference between now and Watergate in 1973. The public was outraged at what Nixon did. While it’s clear that they don’t support Shrub, I sense no massive outrage here. I wonder if the poll results would have been different if the second question read “would it bother you if there were a record of the phone calls of all Bush opponents?”
TommyYum at 90 — that’s true, and some of them get caught in the SPAM filter, and some get caught up because they have multiple links in the post — there are a number of reasons. We try to keep the comments free of spam and trolling as much as possible, to focus on discussion and not crap. And we try to continuously check the moderation thread as we are writing — but sometimes we get a little behiind while researching, writing and all.
I too appreciated the NBC reply, and I thought the Time, Inc. reply by Theodore Boutrous, Jr. and Thomas Dupree, Jr. effectively eviscerated Libby’s response. Time’s lawyers clearly and pointedly call Libby out on the way he twisted and ‘cherry-picked’ the language of previous decisions, and do a great job of highlighting the conflicting logic of Libby’s ever-shifting arguments and ‘theories.’ The Time, Inc. reply especially impressed me, but I appreciated the language that both Time and NBC/GE lawyers used to get their points across. [Thanks, Christy.]
Susan @ 86
Something anecdotal jumpepd out at me when I read that yesterday -
“(iv) for telemarketing enforcement”
this is related to the ‘national no call list’
my point in general means – this isn’t some dusty old and obscure law – nobody can claim ‘Oh, we forgot about that old chestnut’
anyone discouraged by this morning’s polling on this issue should remember the numbers were about the same in December when the original story broke – and now we’re over 54% who think the idea stinks
We just saw two stiff left jabs to Clusterfuck’s jaw-
Abuse of phone records- Whack–the president’s head snaps back- eyes look cloudy- pain visible.
29% JAR–WHACK– president unsteady on his feet- head down- staggering.
Now we may have Fitz winding up to deliver a haymaker right cross that could put GWClusterfuck on the canvas for good–Rove indicted- investigation continuing..WHACK- one dead motherfuckin president.
Christy —
“. . . and we aren’t handing over anything that isn’t material to the case with[out?] the judge ordering us to do so, and we doubt that he will.”
Redd- isn’t the indictment (assuming that there is one) public information from the moment it is filed?
rwcole @ 98
not until Byron York writes about it . . .
OT-(and I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist) Does anyone see a possible connection between the administration request for phone records and the telecom internet bill?
Maybe a little quid-pro-quo?
My concearn with the Libby case and with any possible Rove indictment that could be coming is how they could possibly hope to find twelve impartial jurors. There is no way that they can randomly choose 12 people in DC without pulling atleast one die-hard Bushie who may very well vote not-guilty no matter what. These guys really do have the deck stacked in their favor.
Christy 94,
Y’all are superheroes.
rwcole @ 96 – speaking rhetorically, of course? not to be a ninny, but I’d ratchet back a bit on the final image there….respect for the office and all.
OK, I’m stepping off the soapbox now.
sorry, susan at 86
Why did my link to the Think Progress piece not show up,
I’m a long time reader (lurker, i hate that term it sounds so perverse or like I’m a moray eel) but neophyte commenter.
Thanks,
Susan
Steve-O says:
May 12th, 2006 at 7:56 am
The NSA phone records program goes back to somtime after September 2001, about eight months after Karl Rove started working at the White House. The telecom internet bill is of much more recent origin.
Nice of the Washington Compost to cite a month old poll to support the notion that most Americans support the Bush/Rove/Republican shattering of the bill of rights.
-GSD
I read the pdf at Talk left
Interesting that Wells claims Grossman lied and was classmates with Joe Wilson.
First Libby trashes Miller and now is moving up the ladder into the White House with Grossman.
Weels also did alot of fishing about Rove.
Worried that if he was called to stand Fritz was waiting in the tall grass for him.
Stevo-O 100,
How can you be so pessimistic and cynical?
Nevertheless, you’re right. Your prize? Being “disappeared” and spending the rest of your life in Gitmo. Congratulations!
GSD 106: The poll was conducted last night.
100# Steve-O says:
May 12th, 2006 at 7:56 am
OT-(and I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist) Does anyone see a possible connection between the administration request for phone records and the telecom internet bill?
Maybe a little quid-pro-quo?
paul begula (sp) made this connection on Cabal News Network yesterday . . . does seem very chummy in a faschist kinda way . . .
at&t GO FUCK YOURSELF.
ALLAH is just alright with me!!!
ThinkProgress
interersting stuff in the comments about class action suits
IANAL, but the potential for same is huge – my company transmits my personnel records via email – do I get to sue for their failure to ensure privacy,etc. I get a lot of it is so called frivolous or junk suits – but I definitely came away from the comments those that the potential is very real indeed
Grrrr . . . ANGER!!!
Sorta OT, but not completely.
NPR just ran a story on 4 mysterous deaths caused by bacterial infection, after a clinical abortion induced by RU-486. The entire piece could have bee written by the White House, and probably was. Talk about stenography!!!
No mention of the mortality rate from childbirth — 17 per 100,000 in the USA, 4 per 100,000 in Austria, 0 per 100,000 in Iceland (wikpedia) — no mention that pregnancy and childbirth are the leading cause of death for teenage women in the developing world. (NIH) No mention of the incidence of death per 100,000 for either RU-486 or surgical abortion, and nothing about back alleys.
Which is why NPR has lost me as a news listener — music on http://www.kcuvradio.com is much better for my mental health.
Sonate at 93-
I have a similar link from Richard Morin at the WaPo (sorry if it was posted earlier – haven’t had time to read every comment from the previous thread).
and the quickie poll was conducted by the WaPo pollster who despises questions about impeachment…his bias is showing again. I’m going to have to look at precisely the phrasing of his questions on last night’s quickie poll…
Currently my home ‘phone and separate business a/c are both with Verizon (there is no other choice in the area where I live); long distance, 800# and cellular with Sprint.
Whenever, I call Verizon to make an adjustment on the service I have always been asked by the service person whether they may look at my a/c. If the telephone companies ask this of their customers, why do they think its OK for them to give someone else access without my pernission?
OT – regarding the Raw Story headline about the Navy getting on station for Iran – just heard from a Navy pal involved with aircraft carriers – seems all the carriers are on their normal patrols in their normal areas of operation…
I’m not worried right this minute.
More rumors:
“May 12, 2006 — WMR will be at the US Federal Court House today in Washington awaiting any developments in the CIA Leakgate case. The grand jury is scheduled to meet today and there are strong indications that an announcement will be made in the scandal involving “Bush’s Brain,” “Turd Blossom” Karl Rove.” – Wayne Madsen
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
ccmask (#46):
…Rosen, Weissman,….Larry Franklin.
this whole episode deserves a lot more attention than it’s getting. it brings into play Little Dougie Feith who is another figure in the whole buildup to the Iraq War. this is a facet of pipelined “intel” which merits a lot of sunshine.
Hello, Mossad? are you there?
Dougie Feith has disappeared from view. Wolfowitz has edged himself out of the building and on to the World Bank. No blood or fingerprints on their hands. No Sir!
SHOOT. Help!
I think I just messed up the thread with a bad tag closing. Don’t know how I did that…and don’t know where my block quote went.
Sorry!
ck @ 113 – did good old fair and balanced NPR mention that just this week The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology held an unprecedented press conference to blast the politiczation(SP?) of same by FDA AND advising women to go out and get it pro actively ? ???
I got the info from WaPo — You be the judge: is this question loaded?
It's been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?ck 113 – i saw something on this topic a while ago and the women were dying from a bacteria AND they were instructed to take the pill in a manner that is NOT recommended by the manufacturer.
The woman was also given laminaria, a drug made from sea algae that is sometimes used to dilate the cervix during surgical abortions.
Federal drug officials have only approved giving misoprostol orally, but many doctors give it vaginally
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..d=rss.news
Cathy @22 LOL, I couldn’t figure out who/what KO was for a moment there. I don’t generally think in terms of or by means of acronyms. I’m compiling a list as I go.
As a graduate student in the social sciences, I am as aware as anyone of the danger of phrasing questions in a leading manner. However, I am also aware of the dangers in discounting information because the source has opinions with which you don’t agree. Yes, Morin should poll on impeachment. Does his reluctance to poll on impeachment make every poll that comes out of the Post irrelevant? Absolutely not.
Discounting polls by saying “his bias is showing” is a) ignorant since Morin is not the be-all end-all when it comes to polling at the Post (there are multiple people involved); b) ignoring data coming from a source with inconvenient opinions is as bad as right-wingers ignoring any news that doesn’t come from Fox.
Take in everything that you can and analyze it as objectively as you can. Don’t prejudge and you’ll make much sounder conclusions.
*ilson46201– here the poll with ?s
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..051206.htm
I’m reluctant to go OT but was listening to BBC this morning and then it slid to NPR where they were discussing the catch-22 between the Justice Department and the NSA. If the Justice Department won’t give security clearance, how can investigations work, even for the Democrats?
It seems to me that we are going to have to seriously rearrange things if we ever do get control. The Justice Department can’t any longer be under the Executive branch if it is to be truly viable.
I’m not trained in legal matters but it is now apparent that the structure of the way we do business in this country has to be changed to really fulfill the aims of the constitution.
*ilson, that question may be loaded, but it could be argued that it is balanced by this question (notice the personalizing of the question — important):
46. If you found out that the NSA had a record of phone numbers that you yourself have called, would that bother you, or not? IF YES: Would it bother you a lot, or just somewhat?
OldCoastie, thanks for the update.
OfT: Does your friend think our carriers have any defense for those supersonic shipkillers, such as the Chinese “Sunburn?” I have heard Iran bought a whole bunch.
110: That’s why the WH planted the story in USA Today. They like this issue. Most Americans see them as “protecting the homeland” with all this domestic snooping. The Dec. story got them a 52 percent favorable number. If you’re Karl Rove, you gotta go with what you’ve got.
Caspar,
The Iranians are starting to load the border area with Iraq with troops too.(The Turks are doing the same thing)..
As I said before, I bet the Iranians have the coordinates to lots of Iraqi cities still at the ready from the Iran/Iraq war.
The US is standing in the lake of fire on this one, I hope Bush preps folks for lots of dead troops if he is foolhardy enough to launch a massive strike.
-GSD
moeman (#59):
guess the MSM won’t have Al Gore to kick around any more……
John Casper #128 – I haven’t heard and don’t ask about things that might be considered “sensitive”…
learned not to ask many years ago… good question, though
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
The NSA phone records program goes back to somtime after September 2001, about eight months after Karl Rove started working at the White House. The telecom internet bill is of much more recent origin.
Agreed, “you turn over your records to us, and we’ll see what we can do for you at a later date”. Plausible? I don’t know, but it makes me wonder some.
kateNC:
it’s not the justice department that determines security clearances. as jonathan turley said last nite on countdown — it’s the nsa. So the upshot is, if the nsa doesn’t want to be investigated, they just deny the investigators the clearances necessary to carry out those investigations.
So convenient how that works out – no?
farhender @ 118– well Feith has not completely dropped off the radar, check this out and I cannot find it now, but some professors are voicing strong opposition much the same as some at BC are objecting to Rice’s honorary degree:
>>>>>>
Douglas J. Feith Joins Georgetown Faculty
Georgetown University today announced that former United States Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith (L’78) was appointed Visiting Professor and Distinguished Practitioner in National Security Policy. Beginning Fall 2006, he will teach a course on the Bush Administration’s strategy behind the war on terrorism to students in the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service.
“I am delighted to welcome Doug Feith to our community of scholars and scholar-practitioners,†said Robert L. Gallucci, dean of the School of Foreign Service. “He brings a combination of legal, foreign and defense policy-making experience that I am confident will enrich campus discussions on a wide range of critical international issues of the day.â€
http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=15320
ck —
NPR has almost entirely lost me as a listener for multiple reasons, but I happened to catch that RU-486 story and I have to disagree. Joann Silberner did an excellent job of placing those four rare but puzzling deaths in very clear and fair context. (Also, God bless her, she used the singular form “bacterium” properly; too many broadcasters use “bacteria” as singular.)
I agree that it would have been good to mention the overall morb/mort of childbirth and surgical abortion, but that wasn’t what this story was about. The story of these four deaths is already out in the media, and Silberner put it in context without hysteria. This was not stenography. Look to Juan Williams for that.
Once again, I was offering a supposition that Fitz could never get at the truth because of lies.
cbl @70- I am a paralegal working exclusively on issues arising out of domestic violence, and have participated in any number of cases that put away child molesters. They all lie (with extremely rare exception)but medical reports don’t lie. I take a backseat to no one on that score.
As for a couple of comments that I am “running scared.”
You damn right I’m scared. I’m scared the gov’t was listening to a conversation I had with my sister the other day in which she divulged to me some very personal information. I’m scared political dissident will end up in concentration camps. I’m scared this country is not becoming a dictatorship, but already is one.
But as for running? Hell naw, I won’t go. I live in a town just ten miles north of Mobile, Alabama, a town more full of Bushbots you are never likely to find, and have been a vociferously vocal anti-Bush critic since he first came on the national scene. Everybody in this town who knows me or has come into contact with me knows how I feel. Hell, people who have never even seen me know how I feel, due to the “Impeach!” “No Blood for Oil” and strikethrough “W” bumper stickers on my car. I have had my windshield busted and tires slashed.I’ve been called an atheist (not) a communist (not) a socialist (well, maybe)and a terrorist sympathizer (not) and none of it in a nice way.
Now, people sometimes come up to me and tell me they wished they had listened to me during the ‘04 election, when I was registering everyone in sight and speechifying at the drop of a hat.
I take a backseat to no one on standing up, either.
Richard ‘Moron’ of WaPo – Ovrenight NSA polling -blah blah 63% blah . . .
AARRGGHH!!! These numbers are in line with the overnights after the 12/19 disclosure – yet somehow now 54% of those polled now FAVOR Censure
110: That’s why the WH planted the story in USA Today. They like this issue. Most Americans see them as “protecting the homeland†with all this domestic snooping. The Dec. story got them a 52 percent favorable number. If you’re Karl Rove, you gotta go with what you’ve got.
Oh please, that’s such bullshit. The fucking usatoday story came from telecom workers freaked by what the nsa was doing. If karl rove was the fucking genius you so fear, why is fredo at 29%. He’s not a genius – he’s a goddamned thug who uses deceit and intimidation to gain power.
medaka 6 – It does seem, lately, that a day without a scandal is like a day without sunshine, non? I wake up each morning panting to see the headlines. So many badguys, too much time until they’re (maybe) gone.
I found this question in the poll, looks unbiased to me.
Q: Do you have a problem with the heroic federal government under the steady and cool and benevolently protecting Christian leadership of the War President George W. Bush(PBUH) doing whatever it takes to keep the smelly, cave dwelling Islamo-fascists from chopping the heads of of your white, virginal and innocent children?
Yes or NO?
-GSD
Why do they do it? Because it is what defense attorneys do. I agree, none of the motions will go anywhere – hint, if you are in Vegas and some book will give you a line on whether the judge will agree with any defense motion, bet Fitz, it is as sure a bet as you can make.
Why ask for it all? Why not? OK, one reason why not would be that asking for anything less than all would be an admission that there is something to the government’s case; when in fact we all know that the case is about national security and Scooter just doing his job to protect us from islamofascism and librul no nothings like Joe Wilson. If they want to defend Scooter on the charges not brought rather than the ones that were brought, it actually makes the prosecutions life easier, so why complain.
I greatly discount the idea that the motions are to inspire defense fund contributors, send a message to Chimpco, or anything else. Of course, that assumes that some of them live in reality. If it really is some bizarre dance among Chimpco insiders, where they actually believe they somehow have control of the narrative or events, that they didn’t do anything wrong (criminally or otherwise) well, who cares? 29% and falling, baaaaaaby! Let them fiddle while Chimpco burns. It works for me.
I agree GSD. I think any kind of a strike against Iran is morally bankrupt and diplomatically way beyond staggeringly stupid.
I brought the supersonic shipkillers that Russia and China are selling up, because I think it reinforces Rumsfeld’s complete incompetence. We don’t have proper armor for our troops or imo for our Aircraft carriers.
I appreciate you raising the issue of Turkey and the Kurds. That’s a whole other ethnic rivalry that we’ve fanned that also extends throughout the Middle East. IMO each day our troops are “occupying” Iran is one day better for all the violent extremists in the region.
cbl @ 120 –
I think that was about the Morning After Pill (emergency contraception). The Anti-Choice Zealots try hard to confuse the two, but the Morning After Pill DOES NOT cause abortions — it prevents pregnancy.
137: calm down. it’s only a guess. but it fits with nominating Hayden for NSA. they wanted to revisit this issue in congressional hearings. it’s the only favorable number they’ve gotten in months. think about it.
GW Clusterfuck would be proud to go down in history as the guy who started Armageddon and brought back the Lord.
Sunny @ 14
Mr. Fitzgerald’s original mandate was not strictly limited to just the outing of Valerie Plame.
See: http://mediamatters.org/items/200510240012
“Citing a February 6, 2004, letter from then-acting Attorney General James B. Comey, recent news stories have falsely reported that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald asked for and received “expand[ed]” authority to investigate crimes, such as perjury and obstruction of justice, that may have arisen during the investigation into whether senior White House officials illegally outed CIA agent Valerie Plame. In fact, Comey’s letter did not grant new authority to Fitzgerald; it provided clarification that Fitzgerald had the authority to pursue those crimes from the time he was initially appointed to investigate the case on December 30, 2003. “
Contrast to Ken Star, who’s mandate never included at stain on a blue dress.
GSD #139 – I think your poll question is perfect – well, almost perfect.
I would change it to “smelly, cave-dwelling, islamo-fascist RAGHEADS…” so the wingnuts can really understand the question…
For every rightwinger I’ve ever heard (but mostly not in public), “raghead” is their term of choice – and they use it constantly.
No, I don’t hang out with wingnuts, but they’re everywhere – workplace, grocery store, gas station, PTA, etc. Blech!
Does the Congressional leadership really agree with this quote?
“Everything that NSA does is lawful and very carefully done,” Hayden said while making rounds at the Capitol to advocate for his confirmation. “The appropriate members of the Congress _ the House and Senate _ are briefed on all NSA activities.”
If a whole group of congressional members got together, instead of a little voice here, a little voice there, and called BULLSHIT on this lie, that is repeated over, and over again, would the WaPo poll be different?
Larry King Live tonight:
“America’s most outrageous talk radio stars speak out on everything from the NSA spying story to the immigration debate.”
The TV ad showed Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz and I don’t know who else, but should be good.
Last time they were on the show, Randi and Ed were great – blew the socks off of whoever the rightwing hosts were. And the callers were overwhelmingly pro-Randi and Ed’s position. Good way to get the truth out there to the ignorant masses.
On the depressing poll showing that most Americans approve wiretapping. My guess is that the question was loaded. They were not asked whether they believed that the President can listen in on their conversations without a court order. To paraphrase: it’s the court order, stupid!
Seems to me that reading and writing blogs is the ultimate definition of “trolling.”
Here’s what I think we should do in the waiting period: Reread “All the President’s Men” and other Watergate-era books. You may see Fitz fired or pulled off the case just like the Justice Department was yesterday.
I also recommend “The Smartest Guys in the Room” because it is obvious the Bush’s mentor is Lay, Rove is Skilling, and the Board of Directors are the Congress.
Thanks for all your great ideas on this thread.
kateNC @ 126
The big problem is not where justice is located, but the gall of the NSA/White house to say that because you do not have security clearances, you can’t investigte.
So who has security clearances? Not anyone who is willing to do the job in the American People’s best interests. In other words, friends of Cheney, Bolton & Negroponte. And they will tell us everything is above board, legal, legitimate (even as hey are scaping your colon for biometric data).
Bush has essentially made the claim that there is no constitutional right to be told the truth. Everything he does is consistentt with that contention. For example, there was some discussion in the last thread from last night (Greenwald’s book thread) where a RawStory article was summarized, wherein it was reported that current US activities inside Iran cannot legally be investigated by Congress because the mujahadeen group Bush outsourced the operation to has not been declared a group/entity by the white house. Thus, it does not exist, ergo congress can’t investigate.
Isn’t Bush’s vision of democracy inspiring? Funny thing, this is the one point where Bush has told the truth — this IS the type of democracy he is exporting!
New thread – time to rearrange the deck chairs?
Sunny -
Thanks for keeping up the fight in Alabama. We appreciate you.
Feingold is looking more and more like Mt Rushmore material day-by-day.
Talk about leadership!
I’m impressed – Fitz better watch out. Russ Feingold could be the one.
Libby will be pardoned within 7 weeks of the fall election, however it turns out. Probably within days.
This administration will not concede a thing to public opinion, let alone to the Democrats. Are you kidding?
It will retreat to the powers it thinks it has. Which is to say, any damn thing the boy king and his minders want to do.
And we will have better luck trying to get even the most basic information from the Sphinx.
ralphbon and ck-
I am also exasperated and digusted by NPR’s slant to Faux news. Never expected that NPR would be choosing “experts” from Starr’s law school (pepperdine) to comment on Supreme Court nominees and selecting corporate shills from the industry funded front group CSPI to disparage environmental protection. In neither case did NPR inform listeners of the commentators’ profound biases.
NPR’s bookers keep booking wingers as “correspondents”, ensuring that wingers’ values determine the confines of the discussion.
When I called KQED the person on the phone acknowledged the right-ward tilt on NPR.
KQED is one of the biggest cash sources for NPR during pledge drives – and just happens to be located in San Francisco.
Seems like a ripe target for sophisticated media activists: I wonder what proportion of donors would make “partial pledges” deducting the % of the station’s budget going to support NPR news?
Yeah, I have warm fuzzies for NPR and PBS – but not for the corporate values grafted onto NPR while the CPB was taken over by Bush’s corporate appointees. The corporations already have their media – all of the commercial networks.
Why should NPR listeners pay to subsidize corporate spin over public broadcasting?
Anyway, KQED is in the midst of a pledge drive: not a bad time to help station management understand the price of NPR’s takeover.
When KQED – and other flagship staions in major progressive markets – feel the bite, NPR news will feel the heat.
While we take back our nation and Constitution, I think we can take back the people’s media, too.
And – if any city and region has the media acivists and passion to wrest NPR away from the corproate bookers – San Francisco and the Bay Area is the place.
It should be a fun fight, actually. So if you have a moment to call KQED’s pledge line and describe the coverage you’d like to support on NPR news, please do.
This is a public fight. Anyone can join in – and I hope they will.
If anyone on fdl wants to discuss the problems in NPR news with KQED – the largest economic contributor to NPR member station fund drives – the station contact info is:
KQED, Inc.
2601 Mariposa Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
tel: (415) 864-2000
Office of the President:
email: pres@kqed.org
Pledge Line:
tel: (800) 937.8850
KQED Radio Administration:
fax: (415) 553-2241
_____________________________________________
KQED Radio News
email: fm@kqed.org
newsroom tel: (415) 553-2361
fax: (415) 553-2118
PS: I am including the number and contact info for the KQED newsroom for clarification – they are part of the solution, and their progressive values and freedom from corporate spin remind me of NPR from 20 years ago.
I hope any calls to the KQED newsroom on this issue would support the perspective they maintain despite the network’s spin.
obviously no presser today about Rove
I see where Rawstory is backing off their totally baseless and misleading story from last night.
GSD……..Washington Compost..LOL
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