fitz?

fitz

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml

They’ve been wrong before but something tells me these tea leaves really aren’t that tough to read.

Fitz!

Perhaps Fitzo de Mayo next week . . .

Every day is a hope for Fitz!

New t-shirt design idea:

“I got PUNK’D on FDL”

Raw Story did it, too. They specifically said Fitzgerald would meet the GJ today.

Ah well. But, every Fitz thread is a good thread for me, because I learn a little more about Fitz and the law on every one.

http://tinyurl.com/a6erq

^^^ HELP IMPEACH TODAY

Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:

1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.

To those of you who have been helping… It’s been helping… We are generating some pressure, getting people registered at moveon, getting petition numbers up, and getting letters out. I know some people hate seeing the same post repeated day after day…

Tough… It’s my job ;)

My goal here is to build increasing grassroots pressure towards the Rove indictment which I am hoping will be the final nail in this coffin. Time will tell, but it’s tangible goal.

Thanks for your patience… And help out!!!

Got epu’d (been dying to say that) but need to know……

After we (the public) go to all the trouble and expense to try and convict Rove, how long does King George have to wait to pardon him? Can he do it immediately before we have the satisfaction of seeing Karl’s ass hauled of to the slammer? (Head slap) Oh, wait a minute, since when do laws and rules apply to His Majesty? I have the sinking feeling we lose no matter what. :-(

I think the media is lost and confused and doesn’t know if they should start covering this crazy whirlwind of drama or hold their fingers in the dike and maybe it’ll stop raining. Like ya’ll said in the last thread, the powers-that-be are frozen in the headlights. (Did I mix enough metaphors?) I mean, if you are a mainstream media producer, when IS it time to change your “safe” position? And, given totalitarian reality, is it even possible to change anymore?

Kevin Drum wisely calls commenting about the Jason Leopold story as ‘blog porn’

Hmmm…

Here’s a link to a dKos diary which says “Rove to Be Indicted”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/12/185526/030

Apparently it references an article at Truthout, but there is no direct link, and I have to go out right now for a bit, so can’t search.

Maybe y’all know about this already, in which case I apologize for the duplicate.

ON topic – gives us an idea of how vigously facts get checked for MSM, eh?

Off topic – why I love The Economist (mostly)
http://www.economist.com/printedition/?fsrc=nwl

i just read on kos that truthout is reporting that rove has told his boss that he will be indicted and will resign when indicted

The bacon tasted good anyway.

Consider getting punked like a practice fire drill.

A friend sent me this today and I thought I’d post it in honor of Bill Frist:

Last night, my wife and I were sitting in the living room and I said to her,
“I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and
fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.”
She got up, unplugged the TV and threw out my beer.
Bitch…

Bush having a prime time presser on Monday on a hot button issue ?

Ohhhhh my, It could be very well be Rove’s last stunt.

It defantily sounds “Rovian”

Guess this means the truthout story is false too?Ah well,to good to be true.

Jason Leopold at truthout.org is reporting that Karl Rove has told Bush and Josh Bolten that he is going to be indicted, and will resign when the indictment comes.

Leopold is beginning to sound a little bit like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, but that little detail gives it a little something extra. Plus the note that

Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, did not return a call for comment Friday.

Luskin has never turned down an opportunity to spin the press before. Perhaps he can no longer deny that Rove is a target?

I absolutely respect both you and Christy, Jane!!! This blog is representative of how I was raised in my dear family and the way every relationship should be! You are the absolute bestest.

My hopes have been raised and dashed and met joyously all my life– do not take any blame for any of it. FDL gives me hope!

Our time has come… in a few hours… a few days… a few weeks… we are patient!

{{{{{*}}}}} all y’all commenters and hosts!

P.S. Fitz is sooooooooooo silent. extra hug to him!

The First Snow Fall
President Bush had better hope today was not an omen for his new press secretary. After spending a couple of days zinging the media over its coverage, Tony Snow closed out his first week on the job with an off-camera press “gaggle” this morning that was, by Snow’s own admission, “just a mess.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.c….._fall.html

whats with the “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”New status qwo,or did I piss someone off?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml
Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

It is getting here folks!

“President Bush’s current low mark for public approval is 31 percent. How does that compare historically?

Resident Fellow Karlyn Bowman
Harry Truman hit 23 percent in Gallup’s polling. Richard Nixon sunk to 24 percent, Jimmy Carter to 28 percent and George H.W. Bush to 29 percent.

Faring slightly better were Lyndon Johnson and Ronald Reagan, each of whom hit 35 percent. Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford fell to 37 percent.

Approval-wise, the fortunate presidents were Dwight Eisenhower, whose low was 48 percent, and John Kennedy, who never sank below 56 percent before he was assassinated. “

So GW Clusterfuck has tied daddy Clusterfuck’s record low in the polls- but junior Clusterfuck still has nearly 3 years to go. He should blow poppa’s record away- and finally momma will sleep with him!

Me3- an educated guess as to the date of the next indictment from Fitz? Who, what charges?

Read the Ruta link. I think it forgot to emphasize the most important thing: if you say you have facts, say what they are and get them right. When you make a mistake (as everyone does), correct the misstated facts.

So don’t imply you have facts you don’t have, or say you have facts and then act like they are too obvious to present, or present conclusions to arguments that imply certain facts, and let the reader go away with that missapprehension. Don’t state vague facts that leave an inaccurate impression. You got facts, state them as precisely as space permits. If you goof up, correct it.

A slightly simplified example: there are not unnamed hords of Democrat Congressmen suspected of corruption connected to Abramoff. There are exactly none. There is one Democratic rep suspected of corruption (William Jefferson from LA), but it is unconnected to Abramoff.

I wouldn’t have gotten steamed if some pundit or ombudsperson said “Well, there are corrupt Democrats too, there is that Jefferson dude down in Louisiana who took bribes on some African oil deal.” Then the reader has the facts and can reach their own conclusion. Which would not include, for the most people, I think, that there are unnamed hordes of Democrats tied up with Abramoff. But making some vague weasel statement about “bunch o’ Dems suspected of being in cahoots with Abramoff because of…. you know… stuff…” That is not honest. But that seems SOP in some areas of corporate media.

Which network is gonna be the first to decide not to cover Bush’s prime time hullaballoo Monday?

It’s a perfect time to step up to the plate, MSM! I mean, we know that the 24/7 cable networks will cover it because they’re always desperate for something to fill up the time, but the networks have season finales coming up and with Bush at 29, the time is right!

Hmmm. I think the media were intentionally mislead about Rove. Maybe to keep the cameras away from Foggo’s house. Now Bush is giving a prime-time address on immigration? More distraction. Next week is going REALLY be fun.

DMM –

My comment’s “awaiting moderation” too.

Jeez, if I’m a bad girl, it sure would’ve been nice if I’d noticed it at the time, so I could have enjoyed it a bit… ;-)

rwcole – #19

New Harris Poll today has Bush at 29% – thought you might like some good news!

For those who are waiting for a winner in the “pick the day Clusterfuck goes below 30% in the polls,- well there wasn’t one- but “Reader of Tealeaves” came damned close with a guess of 5/10..

Congratulations Leaves!

“No of course he didn’t say that.”

LOL! I read some where a long time ago that it’s Matthew’s personal policy to NEVER retract anything or address any previous missteps that he’s made on “cable news”, ever! Actually, I think that’s SOP for ALL of them but that was specifically about Matthews and quoted him saying such IIRC.

Can anyone here imagine Chris Matthews doing this same shtick in ten years? Not a chance.

Actually, it will be quicker than that. Before 2010, Matthews will be bleating in the wilderness. When the worm turns, it will roll over him and digest him for compost.

about awaiting moderation: j*s*n l**p*ld seems to be a keyword triggering it tonight — wise choice to prevent clutter by enthusiastic newbies

Denise- yeah I saw it- thanks- but the article I posted came out before Harris was announced. 29% is a damned good start-but I think he can still beat Nixon’s 24%!

EPU’d from last thread:

Started to watch Washington Week, and gave up when Martha Raddatz said, (1) it appears most people support the program, (2) most people seem to think it is legal, (3) that’s why this seems to have died down somewhat…Martha must not get out of her bubble much. I could sort of understand if she’s not reading the blogs, but some pretty familiar names have been out there in the MSM saying some very negative things about this, so the blinders are on.

Am still waiting for some media voice to articulate that we do not decide whether things are legal or not, or whether people should follow the law or not, on the basis of polls.

Am still waiting for a media voice to articulate that the president cannot hide behind polls and use them as a substitute for oversight and judgment as to the legality of the program.

Heard someone whose name I didn’t catch on either Hardball or Situation Room, talking about how this kind of program is not likely to be one that actually catches any terrorist, that it is more likely to be a program that allows a retrospective confirmation that someone who was suspected all along is a likely terrorist. This person made the point that if this program, which has been in place for almost 5 years, had been responsible for the capture of any terrorists, the government would have trotted them out and extolled the virtues of this thing long ago.

*ilson46201,
You crack me up sometimes.

Angie I have three posts on my homepage just made for you one of them is a competitition (and I just know how much you love Barbara Bush) – now having spent a few hours writing stuff that has steam coming out my ears I’m going to vanish in a puff of smoke and try to get some sleep …

*poof*

Rhandi Rhodes is going to be on Larrry King tonight, I wonder if this Rove news will be mentioned?

as I recall, there have been only TWO indigenous ‘terrorist networks’ and both seem awfully shady and shaky: Lodi and Lackawanna. Or have all the other US terrorists simply disappeared silently?

Patrick Fitzgerald — the tantric prosecutor.

“Psst, Woodward, I’m working in the White House… at night! Hey Woodward, guess what? I’m taking questions… at night!… Look at me, I’m dodging the questions… at night! …OW! I burned my credibility!… at night! “

;>)

OT Saw Martha Raddatz spinning like a top on Washington Week on PBS. You can always tell when she’s lying because she begins to talk really fast with a slight catch in her voice. Seems the NSA is no biggy. She gives a description of a much reduced program. The only problem is the explanation she gives is pretty self contradictory. Not to worry though, the Ditz plows on citing the WaPo/ABC push poll: Most Americans aren’t concerned, story’s dying, move along. Oh and Hayden, no prob there either. I tell you if I drank as much KoolAid as she must I’d be in the can peeing all day.

Mrs K8,
Strange things afoot at the ‘lake tonight

*ilson –

But, but, I didn’t mention he-who-must-not-be-named. I DID mention the website where h.w.m.n.b.n. posts.

Didn’t know I was referring to h.w.m.n.b.n. at all.

If I say I’m sorry for whatever I did will I be forgiven? ;-)

Ok, now I really have to go out the door.

See y’all later. I hope — if my comments are approved, that is. :-)

So, RAW was going w/cable outlets all set up at courthouse. Not having cable, I’m asking if anyone knows that they were in fact there? If so, then a leaker was wrong or engaged in misinformation. We know Fitz don’t leak, so who then?

I wanna see that Ali over Liston photo again. This time with a headline like “Rove indicted; implicates others”

And soon!

Cozumel 28,

it’s Matthew’s personal policy to NEVER retract anything or address any previous missteps that he’s made on “cable newsâ€, ever!

Gee, just like W. No wonder Chris worships him.

Jane, excellent tip on the American Prospect article. I particularly liked this line:

Blog wars are a symptom of the way that political communities are fighting for direct self-representation in the public eye, rather than the mediated presentations of the reporter-pundits.

Exactly so. Joe Klein no more represents the left or center left than Frank Fitzsimmons represented truck drivers. The moral for Joe Klein is obvious, but there’s one for us as well: If you want an organization, institution, or movement to represent you effectively, you have to be directly engaged in its operation. We need to be active in the Democratic party, and truckdrivers need to attend union meetings, run for office, etc. Hard to do, but essential.

Mark 11 — I think the best way to understand the media reaction to Bush is through seeing that a great # of broadcast media figures think of themselves as infotainers, and — as Jane has said over and over again — become terribly uncomfortable when people take politics seriously rather than as a reality show. And they have a horribly elitist/disdainful view of what the people want.

In 2000, they were convinced that The Cowboy from Crawsford was a marketable character for them — much moreso than that stiff Al Gore. After 9/11 — Holy Shit! It’s The Towering Inferno meets Shane!!!!! Run with that baby. And so they did.

Some of this is, undoubtedly, also affected by whatever comes down from on high (Murdoch, Jack Welch, etc.) and their personal warm fuzzy feelings in re: Bush (viz. Mission Accomplished homoerotica and the gushy articles about Bush being personable during campaign 2000). But mostly I think they think of it as theater, a reality show.

Now that things are turning on Bush, they’re gonna milk it for all they can get out of it (consistent with the corporate interests that pay their checks — for instance, they won’t frame Bush’s humiliation in terms of horrific neocon policies, but in terms of style — he just wouldn’t cooperate with the Congress.

Anyway, feel free to shoot this down, add/subtract, etc., etc.

look outside — it’s a full moon — things may get odd tonight.

just sayin’…

ilson46201 #42

The Lodi “terrorist network” basically consisted of a father and son and was VERY shaky. It also had nothing to do with wiretapping. It was an informant.

*ilson- t**t***t may be another node.

*ilson 52, “get”? ;)

*ilson,
IIRC there was also two more .One in oregon where they were training on a ranch. The other in the small town I live in, Washougal WA.Shooting automatic weapons up the Washougal river. Someone heard them blasting away and called the sherrif. A couple of years back.BTW, Washougal is about 20 miles east of Portland OR. On the other side of the Columbia river.

Message for Richard Morin. Paging Richard Morin

Please come to the courtesy phone

Well, I don’t feel discouraged. I think Fitzmas is coming soon. The Repubs are acting strange.

I t’ought I ‘taw a indictiment. I did! I did!

OK, immanentize?

Must dissent from the proposal to have a protest day on Memorial Day. In one swoop you lose EVERYBODY in the center over 60, who feel this is a sacrilege to dishonor veterans lost in WWII. Memorial Day is when we remember them, including my father, uncle, and cousin.

*ilson46201 says: “look outside — it’s a full moon — things may get odd tonight.”
May 12th, 2006 at 5:30 pm

Where’s Shez? What’s her opinion about Karl’s “horror”scope? *g*

mui,

Very strange, indeed.

The silence in the media on Rove is deafening today, perhaps the calm before the storm?

Anne saw your #38 and agree completely. My favorite Raddatz moment was her defense of Rumsfeld on Iraq. She said that Rumsfeld didn’t actually spend much time on Iraq because he was more concerned with the Quadrennial Review. She did this unselfconsciously. It never occurred to her to wonder why Iraq wasn’t Rumsfeld’s number one priority. He’s the Secretary of Defense, he’s got most of the Army in Iraq, soldiers are dying, and he can’t be bothered? WTF? She is just another stenographer. Give her a line and she will fall for it every time.

Official “A” – Feeling The Heat…

Did I forget to say “Happy Friday” today? ;)

Rove Informs White House He Will Be Frogmarched

“Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

Details of Rove’s discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, sources confirmed Rove’s indictment is imminent. These individuals requested anonymity saying they were not authorized to speak publicly about Rove’s situation.”

“Late Thursday afternoon and early Friday morning, several White House officials were bracing for the possibility that Fitzgerald would call a news conference and announce a Rove indictment today following the prosecutor’s meeting with the grand jury this morning. However, sources close to the probe said that is unlikely to happen, despite the fact that Fitzgerald has already presented the grand jury with a list of charges against Rove. If an indictment is returned by the grand jury, it will be filed under seal.”

wesgpc #22 – There is one other Democrat whose name I can’t remember, but he was asked to step down. He set a non-profits and is
under inquiry as he seems to have made much too much personal money over the pastcouple of years. Doesn’t look good.

Think his name is Moloney?

I was curious as to GWB’s birthday (it is July 6). “Biography of President George W. Bush
En Español” okay, even if it’s not okay to sing TNA that way…. irony

lily (63), I hope , I hope. It’s all too strange not to have Rove’s dirty fingerprints on it somewhere, somehow.

mfi @40– love them all. thinking about how stoopid they all look to the rest of the world and to me! you and your son and the rest of your family have the right idea and are obviously working for peace. i pray for your du’s safety and soul. one day we’ll hoist an ol (no proper letter on my keyboard) either here or there– preferably both places– with lots of friends and family!!!

did you see tweety is gonna be a guest on the colbert report monday. stephen in promoing it said, ‘then we’ll find out who has the hardest balls’…

it sounds promising, esp since tweety thinks he’s so friggin hip & cool. colbert should flatten him.

Happy Friday Everyone,

Denise @ 53 & *ilson @ 42 -

the Lodi case is even worse than that – in an interview,the so-called informant made claims that Zaiman al Zawahiri (OBL’s #2) had visited Lodi ! They kept this clown as a witnes, but even first year law students say there will be an overturn on appeal -

Jane Hamsher – if it only gives you the teensiest of smiles – Tweety was totally punked – that is a brand new,’ Network Anchor -I-have-gravitas’ suit he was wearing all day today

FitzMas eve will be on a (true bill) Wednesday — the presents will be opened on a Thursday.

So it was with Scooter; so it will be with Rove . . .

lily says:
May 12th, 2006 at 5:39 pm
mui,

Very strange, indeed.

The silence in the media on Rove is deafening today, perhaps the calm before the storm?
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Or maybe the silence DURING the storm. Team Libby has to have heard the gossip that a Rove indictment may be coming down in the near future. If it does, it means that Team Libby’s defense funds are going to dry up fast. And Libby has to suspect that Rove’s already thrown him under the bus in his previous testimony. If you were Libby, would you trust Rove to keep quiet, or would you expect him to squeal like a pig the minute he gets indicted? Wouldn’t you want to cut a deal before Rove did?

jinny #66: whatever. still, that is different from implying unnamed hordes of Dems connected with Abramoff. They don’t exist. Anyone who understands Abramoff’s operation, understands they cannot exist in any logically consistent universe. Abramoff was not about everyday vote bying, it was about gigantic humongoid everfowing deeper than the ocean sea slush fund for GOP. Cunningham too, I think.

mui #58: Yeah, and reasonable centrist pundits are acting hinky too. There is one outside my office right now -it’s chews a little grass, listens to the ground, wanders in a little circle then all over again. Something is up. Must be big.

“filed under seal”

As I recall from Redd some months ago- this only happens under VERY specific circumstances- which I don’t believe apply here.

That article seems like bullshit.

You know for all Tweety’s bad points, he stood out in my mind, in Wilson’s autobiography as someone who gave Wilson the head’s up on all the malarchy. I could be wrong. I wonder if this is an attempt to discredit Tweety, since he is becoming a little like a Trotskyite to the Stalinists. On the other hand, I am extremely resentful that I sat through too many minutes this evening watching him and Joe Scarborough and some other person blame Bush’s 29% on the “immigration issue.†It’s the War, stupid Tweety! And the gas! And Katrina! And, and . . .

cbl #71

Didn’t one of the jurors also claim she was intimidated and pressured to vote guilty when she didn’t want to?

Is rover good and lawyered up yet? And will he have the kind of financial backing that Scooter enjoys? Just wondering out loud.

mui #58: you guys don’t have to send me no food. But if GW is not stuck in 20s by mid June, I’ll send the choco mints out anyway to you three.

DMM @ 5:18 pm (#19) – whats with the “Your comment is awaiting moderation.â€New status qwo,or did I piss someone off?

You apparently wrote one of the many combinations of words that make it necessary to make sure you’re not a terrorist, anarchist, or other legal liability. Join the club.

wesgpc, you’re a hoot.It’s a howlin full moon. I guess I owe you a lobster delivery or something?

ck–Well as I recall, with Libby- the indictment came down and the press conference was held on the same day.

I suspect it will be the same with Rove- because the indictment becomes public information the moment it is filed- and Fitzy wouldn’t want to be upstaged with press speculation.

If I’m right about that- then I would expect the presser to happen right after the indictment.

this quote from a tvguide q&a is good:

TVGO: Where do you go for political talk on TV?

Matthews: My hero is Jon Stewart. If I could ever get his audience… My natural audience is the red-faced Irish and Italian guys in their late fifties. People will say to me, “My
dad just died. He watched you every night.” Basic cable — we’re the best retirement deal in the world.

Denise at 77,

She was the one that was that was dismissed

Do I know you? :)

hoodoo meat at 16…It is counter-intuitive to me that Rove would “know” that he’s going to be impeached, tell the Chimperor he was going to be impeached and remain in the WH until the sword drops. I would think that he would try to put as much distance between his turdblossom-esque self and the rest of the Fourth Reich. Boy…do I hope Leopold is right, though. Sic semper tyrannis.

denise 53, what I heard about the Lodi “network” was that the initial report to law enforcement arose from an internal power struggle in the Lodi Islamic community, and had nothing at all to do with terrorism. The Los Angeles Times had a pretty decent article about it recently; it notes that the son was convicted, not for anything he had said or done, but for having “a jihadi heart and a jihadi mind.” Boy, that sure makes me feel more secure.

As for actual evidence that he was involved in a terrorist cell, well:

Asked during his interrogation how he would receive orders to attack, Hayat, a junior high school dropout whose understanding of English is limited, answered hesitatingly: “Maybe, uh, send a letter or anything like that, maybe.”

Other responses cited in the article are similarly vague. Color me unconvinced.

And btw there are rumors coming out about jury misconduct re: the foreman

Having taken graduate courses with Jesuits, the first woman at that time in that place, I believe that PJF will do just fine and will bring it home, however long it takes or how arduous the task. I was hoping for a celebration tonight, but I will be patient. The devil of the details is his personal angel:his amazing memory of every and all detail, and use and knowledge of the law as a very high-order chess game will win whatever day justice will grant. A man with a mission is hard to shake.

mui #76: Interesting insight into Matthews. I am reluctant to call all of these people consciously corrupt. Some are, I thnk (eg, Russert). Some may just be real deadly combination of arrogant and clueless and not very bright (Klein?). Others stuffed shirts wihout enough reportorial curiosity (the Schief). Matthews may be a kind of a head case (pathalogical need to belong to the in-crowd, whoever that is at the moment, or maybe all the in-crowds at once), clueless, or who knows what.

Looks like Tweety’s sources (re Rove 5/12 indictment) were in the WH.

Maybe Josh Bolten is as anxious to see the Rover under the bus as we are.

He’s the Man, that Josh.

No Frank Probst (73), if I were Scooter, I’d think Rove is my very, very dear best loyal friend. Heh! *mwahaha*!
You’re right, Libby shouldn’t trust Rove not to throw him under the bus.

I like thinking there’s a club –inmoderates? . Is it a BYOB club?

http://tinyurl.com/fws78
Russian Court convicts ex-Gitmo Inmates.

Kind of interesting. Russia has trials, we have Gitmo.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02390.html
A repeat, I know, but one that bears repeating. One of those “worst of the worst†we have at GITMO. A man jailed by the Taliban as an enemy of ITS regime, and then jailed by us at GITMO for years, still not allowed newspaper or family visits.

everhopeful says:
May 12th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
Which network is gonna be the first to decide not to cover Bush’s prime time hullaballoo Monday?

It’s a perfect time to step up to the plate, MSM! I mean, we know that the 24/7 cable networks will cover it because they’re always desperate for something to fill up the time, but the networks have season finales coming up and with Bush at 29, the time is right!
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Are you kidding? How could they NOT cover this? George Bush is the William Hung of politics.

Turley this afternoon on Air America Radio (Randi Rhodes Show) was awesome.

He said he didn’t understand why the Dems rolled over on the domestic spying. (AIPAC wants them too, that’s why.)

Pointd out that the Senate has all sorts of procedural tricks not limited to the fillibuster that would allow the Dems to shut the place down until there are hearings into whether the Preznit broke the law.

Turley says no question that the domestic spying is criminal.

And, btw, Randi will be on Larry King Tonite in less than one hour.

rwcole @ 82 –

I believe I am correct; GJ on Wednesday — presser on the next.

wesgpc #74 – was just saying!

TPM have been busy again today:

SDUT: Lewis and Cunningham, “Frightening” Duo

http://tpmmuckraker.com/

May 12, 4:37 PM ET

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Clashes erupted Friday between two Iraqi army units following a roadside bombing north of the capital, and Iraqi police said a Shiite solder was killed in an exchange of fire with a Kurdish unit.

Score–Iraqi army one- Iraqi army nothing- this one could go into extra innings!

GW Clusterfuck says that things are goin well in Iraq.

CK–Well OK then! Stick to it!

I just got hold of an exclusive political paparazzi shot of Katherine Harris’ tattoos.

http://www.bgladd.com/Katherine_Harris_tattoos.jpg

Chick tattoos are SO sexy! Hers have gotta be irresistible on K Street.

Please don’t introduce satirical material where there is no indication as to its nature. “punked” misled me and than slammed me down as a complete fool for falling for it. Is this want you wanted to do to your regular readers? Isn’t this what the bloggers of the “right” do when they make stuff up and then you find out later you’ve been “punked”? Do you think it was pleasant being punked by you? What did it teach me? That I’m a fool for reading it as a serious commentary?

jinny #94: I was bloviating, it was not directed at you. Sorry.

A little snippet from the Imus interview:

MATTHEWS: [] He (Rove) keeps being hauled before the grand jury. So something is going on here with the special prosecutor. We don’t know whether he is going to clear him or nail him.

MWHAHAHAHA (learned that from RH)

stan brinton -

Chill.

According to Farmer’s Almanac full moon will be early AM east coast, but 9 min to midnight west coast.

I’ve seen bad moon risin’ I’ve seen trouble on the way…
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“• Full Flower Moon – May In most areas, flowers are abundant everywhere during this time. Thus, the name of this Moon. Other names include the Full Corn Planting Moon, or the Milk Moon.”
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Werewolves of London AOOOOHHH!

John Roberts in for Larry King.

BobbyG- where are you? how are you?

You all just make me laugh, I love it! Tattoos, indeed! still chuckling Thanks to all the commenters for making my day at times; it always means alot.

104 maybe the moon explains my mood today; double cancer ‘loony’ bird!

O.K. I am holding Joe Wilson’s book (borrowed ). I don’t want to give Matthews too much credit. On page 4-5, Wilson implies Tweety said that Karl Rove “condoned the attack on Valerie and was retailing it to reporters, whether or not he had actually been the source behind it.†Andrew Mitchell phoned Wilson as well, but Tweety actually named his sources apparently. Yes, I think Tweety may be a Trotskyite to Rove’s Stalin.

Frank Probst #93: just my wishful thinking – you’re right – would never happen!

Powerful. Impressive:

http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/8482785.html

Valley Girl, Mon Cherie, I’m home doin’ laundry and packing for Florida. Leave for the airport ~10:30, scheduled take-off at 11:59 pm, LAS to CVG to MLB, getting in about 10:50 am tomorrow, blech…

Come back late Tuesday if all is relatively OK. Got a lot to take care of. Mother is gettin’ pretty wobbly.

Kathy also has a “your message here” tattoo on her backside– bunghole advertising.

Someone mentioned here a few days ago that the indictment of a “former administration official” goes down a lot easier than the indictment of a “current” official. And under cover of the ongoing WH “shakeup”, Rove will probably leave before being either charged, or outed to all the world as a ratfink.

Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Dem leadership want to run against Bush in ‘06 and ‘08 so of course impeachment is off the table.

If Dick Cheney turns into an Individual A in the next few weeks, events are going to overtake our dear Nancy and Co.

Big if…but that’s how I’m bettin’!

tom — chicago 111

Yikes.

Stan, I recommend that you 1. get a sense of humor 2. take a course in satire 3. within that course of satire, develop a sense of wit. It all will engage your knowledge and senses and increase your sense of harmony within yourself. It’s a good thing.

Bobby G: Laundry. Hope you are watching the spin cycle closely. All the best for your red eye trip.

wesgpc – Thanks and no problem.

Bobby–What chord was GWClusterfuck playin in that guitar pic?

OT- is Rove Bush’s Feng Sui expert? You know, rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenberg?

RE:#111

If you ain’t pissed off by now, You aint payin attention. That was a perfect litany of shame.

Valley Girl -

Ironing next. Will have to open some Shiraz first. Yard work is Coronas, inside the house it’s red wine. Policy.

Takin’ my WiFi laptop to Florida so I can tap in episodically and hang.

Anything outta R.Rhodes w/J.Roberts re: Rove rumors?

rwcole -

Z-flat demolished, with a minor 5th.

Rove says that it’s important to have a cell with a northward exposure.

Now that Imus! That’s a true apparatchnik . . .

Bobby- Thanks- I didn’t recognize it at first.

When you’re president- everything you play is music.

Bobby G.- Ironing??? Ironing???? My god, you are a slave to love, if it’s the sheets you are doing.

Yo BobbyG, how’s it haranguing?

Froomkin devotes his column to a list of questions for Tony Snow from people from all over the country. I love this one:

Why are U.S. taxpayers paying Karl Rove’s government salary for him to focus on the reelection of Republican congressmen and senators? (Mary Fitzpatrick, Oakland)

VG (121). If so, let’s hope Rove accidently lets certain unnamed demon fighters (Chinese version) in.

Casper: yes. worry.

Randi Rhodes is about the only liberal who can outtalk 2 rightwingers on national TV – hilarious! Go Randi!

rwcole @ 120 … actually, his fingers look like they’re forming an open G chord, but they’re up a fret too high.

OT –Goss follow up. I have kept looking for something else on the possibility of an Under Secretary of Defense resigning since that was alluded to when the Goss resignation took place. Still nothing, but from TPM site, there is this pdf of a memo from Wilkes to Cunningham. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..ge=19&
Paragraph 2, largely redacted, says:
2. — IF YOU CAN’T HELP, MY NEXT CALL IS TO ——–, —– ———– Defense Acquisition & Technology ——–), and/or —– ——–, ————— Under Secretary of Defense ——————– ——–7)
3. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IF YOU CANNOT RESOLVE THIS OTHERS WILL BE CALLING i.e., ———, ———– ETC.

Hope springs eternal. Arthritic, wrinkled, and complete with other evidence of why eternity is not always attractive, but eternal nonetheless.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-activity/
Think Progress is reporting that Russel Tice, the Whistle Blower from NSA is going to give info to the Senate that they have been using sattelites to spy on Americans.

Does this get any scarier?

What was it, Goss’ resignation? This place went crazy. 250 posts in less than an hour.This joint is going to explode when Rove gets indicted.All I can do is hope and pray that I am here when that happens.Because there is going to be some excellent partying gonna happen then.

rw- when you’re Fustercluck, everything you play is Muzak.

Darn! I love Randi Rhodes. What a fighting spirit. I hope crooks&liars tapes the whole thing.

As I ponder the impenetrable stupidity of the american people- I long for seccession—why can’t we create a sane country? Washington, Oregon, and California would be a good start. No more money to Washington. If they want us to join em in a redneck war- they can come an beg!

Valley Girl

Someone needs to take Bobby G’s temperature!!!1 I don’t iron, and I don’t sew.. I’m allergic to sewing machines!

VG, who irons sheets ever??? time, place, energy, neccessity, modern fabrics/difficulty = nonessential.
punaise, you delight always. Thank you.

Hope Tice doesn’t have any alien spaceships in his story.

ILLEGAL– LIES– GO RANDI– SCREAM YER BLOOMING HEAD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who irons sheets? My mother- she irons everything- her socks have no wrinkles.

rwcole

I take it you are a little skeptical about this tice guy?

with modern textiles, I’ve never bothered to iron anything in my life except blue jeans for a boyfriend that liked sharp creases … oh, the things we do for love !

sorry Mui,
Randi is coming across as total shrill harpy – she is reinforcing the false Gooper meme of all of us being alarmist, hysterical, loudmouths – STFU, and let the guy makes his point – then viscerate his shit

and I love Randi – but please remember Christy’s takedown on CSpan – we all can’t be as civil as that, but goodness, tone it the hell down

Valley Girl says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:27 pm

Isn’t elevator music supposed to give someone a lift?

Okay whattami gonna do for Late Nite.

Hmmmm…..

K/N The only thing I can ever sow nowadays is irony, and I don’t irony my clothes, dishtowels or sheets.

I am also allergic to irons…break out in a horrible rash… it gets ugly!

Kathi- No- not really- I was just thinking about a big congressional meeting- on national television- where the witness starts of riveting- and then begins to go a little over the deep end. Just the way my mind works.

#125 – Its just an awful shouting match at present. There’s a little turd Rush in training who’s lying through his teeth and Randi is yelling. Hard to listen to, but anything for Fitz.

Valley- that’s funny!

Is MattO graduating this weekend? If so – hats in the air. If not – sometimes the air’s in my head. In any event, for his war profiteering epic – - this is an addition. http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..ton_nation Knight Ridder article on Pentagon finances and spending

“Okay whattami gonna do for Late Nite.”

How about some open source cyber detective work on one of more of the Hookergate characters? ; )

Jane Hamsher says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:32 pm

It’s way too soon for reruns – right? Seriously, with a plethora of topics to choose from, where would you like to start?

Tony Snow presser? Sent you a nice pic of the Ipana man.

http://www.editorandpublisher……1002501851
==When Helen Thomas asked what he’d do to make President Bush more “credible,” he replied curtly, “I’m not going to answer questions about credibility.”==
I can find more links, having read a few reports.

rwcole-
So, I didn’t win the pony? I had Bush hitting the twenties next Thursday. I guess I can console myself that Bush is sinking faster than I had thought. Are we taking bets for when he hits the teens? Or for when he goes sub-Nixon? What is his next benchmark of ghastliness?

I just prepared tOny Snow’s comments for the President’s reaction to Rove’s indictment:

“Although Karl Rove has worked in this Administration, the President does not really have a close relationship with Mr. Rove and his duties did not generaly intersect with those of the President.”

BobbyG –

Blessings upon you for taking care of Mom, and may you be safe on your journey. Prayers go out to you both.

OK

I have landed a part in a play called “A New War.” Huge smackdown of the MSM. Hysterically funny.

Network CNC owned by Burdick Redmond. Everyone is represented, talking heads, pundits, reporters imbedded in the network cafeteria even a guy who has sewed an American Flag onto his forhead in support of the War which is being held in a secret location and all we know is that the people we are fighting are ‘evil, don’t dress like us and eat their house pets,”

just do an open thread — after thirty comments on an “assigned topic”, the conversation invariably drifts anyways — so just set us afloat from the git!

I wish Randi could tone it down; but I have to tell you the wingnut arses just look stoopider than hell with their measured tones. This is a ploy by them to portray these maniacs as reasonable! It does not work anymore. It needs to be a battle cry!!! It’s time to give volume and passion to the whole damn thing.

Can you feel the rage in my keyboard strokes?

sorry…. not directed at anyone here.

On sewing/sowing:

I onceuponatime sowed wild oats, but thankfully achieved crop failure.

I iron my own white shirts when I have to wear ‘em.

cbl (150), I can’t see the show unfortunately. But with all her rantin and ravin, I never, never could see her as a harpy. Then again, I do have a weakness for “bad girls.â€. (she says, while chewing dried alfalfa leaves.)

Randi Rhodes is kicking neocon blowhard butt on CNN tonight.

Kathi/Nanakat says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:29 pm

Valley Girl

Someone needs to take Bobby G’s temperature!!!
_____

Hmmmm….

;)

I’m back. Opened an Italian red instead of Shiraz. Tart, dry. One last load of wash in rinse cycle at the moment, then iron a few things to wear (so I can friggin’ iron ‘em again when I get there).

I gotta ride in that little Comair CRJ all the way from Cincy to Melbourne. Those suckers are TOO SMALL!

John Roberts should never be allowed to do this again – he’s awful.

Mrs. K8 -

Thank you!
xoxoxo

cleter – I think the next benchmark poll number we need to game is 25%… I’ll take May 28th…

mui –

she was making all the right points, at all the right moments, I just wanted her to tone it down – we all have every justification for being angry = just think they should keep in mind they are speaking for us as well – btw, my Gooper friends lovvve Ed Schultz

and can anyone tell me how Ben F. got his wingnut welfacr – mommy, daddy ?

Mary- yes, Matt O. is graduating this weekend. What an amazing “kid”- way wise beyond his years. I hope he goes into politics and not the military. I respect him greatly, so I’m going to go gently on the military aspirations. But, despite the fact that he has the same last name as a SA dictator of note (a worry he once espressed re: his political future) I would think that first name “Matthew” would counter that. Love ya’ Matt, if you are reading.

Jason Leopold at Truthout is saying Rove is telling WH staffers his indictment is “iminent”.

Friday 12 May 2006

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

mui, i am ready to go to pasture trying to get progressive voices heard. Yell like hell if you got something to say!!!!!!!!!

Ed Schultz is also pretty dern good tonite.

Roberts needs a drink and to get outta the rethug club… move toward the light………………

Lessee….what other jpeg mischief can I do with Katherine Harris…hmmmm…

Pardon me. No double entendre intended 169. Just pure dorkiness on a Friday night.
Hey immanentize!

Jane — you’re probably being facetious about what to do for Late nite, but a topic for sometime this weekend is how we should respond to the possibility that Bush will go hard right to save himself — Scarborough’s prediction on Hardball — starting with sending troups or national Gruard to the Mexican borde to shore up base on immigration. The WH attacks on the NYT, CBS, etc are part of this, he claims. Plausible? Workable?

BobbyG. You obviously have not discovered Polly Ester.

PrevTopic: I am quite sure that WaPo Ombudswoman Howell will see that Pollster Morin gets his due trip to the woodshed. Surely, Deb’ll give her readers ample perspective on his poll in her next Sunday column.

As long as none of us swear in our WaPoO blog comments, in which case all bets are off….

I wonder….about all these MSM folks who slant the news. Are they “deep down”, bedrock “R” teamers, or are they more of sheep? Sheep meaning that they follow along with whomever is in power. Or, whichever team has the greatest poll numbers.
Perhaps a little of both. But for the “sheep” MSM, who only follow along with whom they think is in the power, I wonder, with these many months of low poll ratings if some of these will start to turn. They’ll see the power shifting away from the “R” team, and so become increasingly vocal crtics of the “R” team.
Perhaps the answer is in the political makeup of the majority of their viewers. Interesting.
Ghostman

With sooo many scandals and corrupt freakin politicians to choose from, No wonder Jane is casting about for a topic.SOMEBODY could use a good scorching. Hookergate?NSA spying? That arsehole Hayden? I keep hearing lately about Deadeye falling asleep alot in meetings. Do the undead sleep?Whats up with all of these polls that are so obviously slanted?And the only ironing I do is with a cutting torch and a big hammer.

Valley, very funny. Allergic to all things ironing…a wrinkle or two pressed off on a towel on my bed with the iron hidden discreetly. My best to all.

Valley Girl -

I know Polly. In blends. Prefer cotton. High thread count.

Florida, blech…after 14 years in Vegas, I don’t do humidity any more. Love the dry.

Okay whattami gonna do for Late Nite?

Hmm, smells like somethin’s cookin’. I’ll take a Rove resignation to go, please.

btw, Jane, weaving The Note into Matthews’ “quote” the way you did was priceless.

Hey Mui, Hey VG.

Raining like the flood here in Eastern Mass.

I hope Zunnurse is comfy at home rather than out and about doing God’s work….

61 – Egregious

Thank you so much for sharing those veterans’ values and objections to Memorial Day. Sounds like a protest that weekend has a high blowback index.

142 – rwcole

Secession sounds good to me. We’ll be looking at Ecotopian energy use solutions in any event – may as well have a good meme at hand.

angie, I was not cognizant of politics in the 70s and early 80s(?), which seems to be the zenith for some of our old liberals, but I wish they’d come out swinging and punching again.

Okay I found something. Thanks for everyone’s suggestions.

Coming up: “Jonesing for Bubba”

Ach! She just took poor Ben to the woodshed.

Gotta love it.

I sometimes think it would be fun to have a I Have The Worst Senators short essay contest -

Anyone have a link to the WP blog so I can give feedback about Morin’s ‘poll’?

marily says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:51 pm

Valley, very funny. Allergic to all things ironing
_____

LOL! He who used to tear out engines and trannies and clutches etc now breaks out in a rash when touching a wrench or screwdriver. Drive it to the shop.

I care care for ironing either.

marily- you are of my way of thinking. Also, a spray bottle with water and some “non smelling” fabric softener does nicely, provided I plan in advance. Spray on, yank clothing into shape to remove wrinkles, come back later. That’s a tip for you too, Bobby G.

Bobby G
Whereabouts in Florida are you going? It’s actually really nice right now. Not too humid or anything.

Tell that Comair pilot to fly safe… don’t like those machines myself. Remember to enjoy a wonderful and loving Mother’s Day visit and then you go home to C., BobbyG. Cherish each moment!

Careful with the ironing on vino veritas. :0

Happy trails!

OldCoastie says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:45 pm
cleter – I think the next benchmark poll number we need to game is 25%… I’ll take May 28th…
———————————————————-
I agree that that’s the next benchmark, but the date may be even sooner than that. Next week may be even more of a shitstorm than this one, given Bush’s upcoming speech and a possible Rove indictment. I’m going with May 22 for the 25% benchmark.

immanentize, by serious coincidence it’s raining here in CT too. Weird, very weird day all around.

This is another gratuitous attack on a high profile member of the MSM, Leopold’s article makes Mathews look right on target.

Frank – I’m inclined to agree with you… I’ll say 25 on the 25th (easy to remember!)

TPM ‘Marty Fayer, who said he owns the house Foggo is renting, said Foggo is “very friendly and he has a lovely family.”‘

8633 Janet Lane Vienna 703 289 3044.

I just know he is innocent. Or something.

anon at 195 –
I don’t want to link to the WAPO online poll, but here is a great analysis by Krazypuppy at Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..165838/323

WaPoo Blog : http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..l#comments

Valley at 197 –

That sorta reminds me of that weird stuff that they sold in the late ’70’s that you could spray into your dirty hair to make it “look clean.”

cleter -

Melbourne/Palm Bay (central east cost, ESE of Orlando).

Randy is holding her own, and at least pointing out the lying from the Repub mouthpieces. Ed Schultz did well, too. About the only way to talk over the repubs is to yell. Someone let Randy know that her hair looked good, I like the shorter length. She should be on TV more.

Overall she sure did better than Pelosi did on Sun for the progressive cause.

That young kid must have gone to repub camp in high school and college. Specialized in parroting repub talking points.

Happened to see Tammy Duckworth and Barack Obama speaking before the Emily’s List crowd (C-SPAN2).

Talking about changing America with Woman Power!!!

Link. immanentize, I agree. I knew a person or two who did part-time work for Quinnipiac. Blech!

angie -

Thanks. Yeah, it’ll be good to do Mother’s Day with her, might be her last (84 and wobbly).

Although, I dunno. Her case manager at Holmes Regional told me (late 2004): “Mr. Gladd, there are basically two types of elderly patients we see here; There are those we can’t save no matter WHAT we do for them, and there are those we can’t kill no matter what we do TO them. Your Mother is clearly in the latter category.”

been bleaky and foggy and rainy here in NH for at least the past 4 days and will continue for as far into next week as I can see…

all this spyin’ and rainin’ can get a person down, but I see a grand moon risen’ and Mother’s Day is on Sunday (and I have the best in the entire world and history thereof!), and though I could well be sleep deprived, I have hope!

VG and Bobbi G: And we unite on so much more. My thanks.

imm- no, not the same thing at all! I have used both products!

bulldog

All of those repugs are Stepford bimbos! have you ever noticed how all the women are blonde ad look like refugees from Barbie World!!

Has anyone here heard about the new documentary named “Giuliani Time” done by Kevin? It’s the first I read about it tonight?

Can I have 25 on the 19th?

– day of the next Friday dump

Old Coastie 203
I’ll stay with the 18th. May 18th, he hits 25%, sez I.
So, when does he pass Nixon?

cbl (194), I am starting to notice some *serious* bumperstickers in CT, to that effect. Re: Lieberman.

For late night, how about a 4-line verse on a topic/s from this week? No prizes, no judging–too much work for you all. Just for fun.

Valley

I knew we were sympatico!! (At least in personal care product experimentation)

What WAS that stuff called? Dry Clean or Dry Wash or somethin….

Frank at #200 says:

Next week may be even more of a shitstorm than this one, given Bush’s upcoming speech and a possible Rove indictment.

Funny how it’s now a given that an upcoming Bush speech is leading indicator of a drop in poll approval numbers.

ccmask — long article in Slate about Giuliani Time:

http://www.slate.com/id/2141424/

Imman 222; I think it was Psssssst Instant Spray Shampoo; all the cheerleaders used it!

I’m going radical and sayin’ Bush JAR =22% on May 22nd.

Thanks immanentize and wilson, that wapo blog you linked is a riot!

Via KOS, Mark Shields on PBS quoted as saying a top Repub. strategist told him GOP is expecting a 30-seat loss in the House.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..214544/155

Man, Dru –

You and Valley got me thinkin’ about the past!

Kathi/Nanakat– congrats on getting a part in a play I wish to play a real-life part in one day!!! Good on you and cheers!

hey *ilson46201 says:

early in this thread you mentioned the 2 terra attacks on the homeland . . . did you forget the very effective ANTHRAX attacks right after 911???

i have not read the whole thread yet — will catch up — but wanted to jump in cause TOM HARTMAN had a great riff on that yesterday. anthrax was sent to sennators leyhey(sp) and durbin RIGHT AFTER THEY QUESTIONED THE patriot act!!!! faaaaaaa

ALLAH is just alright with me!!!

kirk murphy 190, i want these incompetents taken down just as seriously as you do. but losing a very large number of otherwise sympathetic folk…….not helpful. Please leave Memorial Day as a time to remember the sacrifices of WWII, my father, my uncle, my cousin.

So let’s find another day, that’s not affiliated with the deaths of so many Americans in WWII. You think that people are sore about losing 3,000 on 9/ll and 3,000 in Iraq. Pales in comparison. Hope to GOD we don’t set a new standard of death in IRAN.

If you are praying people, now’s the time. The neocons are a cornered animal, dangerous, angry, ready to strike out at us/US.

What will it be this time? Buildings with innocent people? Anthrax or other biowar? Dirty/radioactive bombs that scare people all out of proportion to their danger?

Oh, and yeah, ‘they would never do that.’

On the NSA thing:

I’d like to hear from y’all about how YOU would respond to the insinuative assertion “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.” i.e., if you assert your 4th Amendment right to privacy and get the (even implicit) response “what have you got to hide?”

‘eh? What are some effective retorts?

aReader 228

That is really good news, not because it is true, yet, but because if that starts becoming CW, there will be a BUNCH of Repub retirements which will greatly increase the Democratic wave effect. But the retirement window is closing — about two more months.

imm- I don’t remember the name. But I quickly discovered that talcum powder worked just as well for blondes. Mind you, I haven’t indulged in either for a few decades. Back to ironing. Men’s shirts are hard to iron to lawyerly standards, or so I hear. Treat yourself, just as an experiment. Little indulgences can make life nicer. And, BTW, I liked the idea of your wearing the KIA numbers.

BobbyG: I’d say, well that’s good to hear because I’ve been meaning to tell ya that I’ve been listening in to all your calls…..

Bobbi G: my mother died in 1991, and your laughter about your’s stalwartness makes me laugh and cry at the same time. I wish her back, even in that extreme (kidney failure), but then I recognize that the end was terriblly awful for everyone. Thank you for helping me to realize that again.

BobbyG:

One response is “Well do you own a Gun?” “They might want to come for that some day!” (They can track phones to gun shops, etc. )

ccmask #217 –

Film Detailing the Tom DeLay Corruption Scandal is Set for Its West Coast Grassroots Premiere at YearlyKos
Nelsons – Fri, 05/12/2006 – 7:27am
Contact: Gina Cooper
yearlykos@gmail.com
For Immediate Release
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From the Blogosphere: YearlyKos is pleased to announce the West Coast Grassroots Premiere of the film “The Big Buy: Tom Delay’s Stolen Congress” at the YearlyKos convention in Las Vegas on June 10.
“The Big Buy” was directed by Texas filmmakers Mark Birnbaum and Jim Schermbeck, and is being distributed by Brave New Films led by Robert Greenwald. In addition to the premiere, Greenwald will be holding a round table discussion at YearlyKos on using film as an activist’s tool.

egregious 232 -

oops – 46 years of trying and I still can’t speak English.

I absolutely agreed (and agree) with your post in 63.

I don’t want to see any mass protest around Memeorial Day (because of what I learned from you in 63!), and I’m chagrined to have communicated any other sentiment.

My bad.

BobbyG- this is a great question. I don’t have a great answer right now. Friday nite, and all that. I hope you will raise the question again.

229 I hope your memories are good ones. I have a big# reunion coming up this summer; get queasy thinking about taking a trip down that lane!

punk’d? i don’t think there is anything wrong with speculating on the timing of the greasy pig roast. it’s thread meth. however, the fruit of the tree of expectation is disappointment. i’m just trying to enjoy the ride, wherever it leads.

“I’m not hiding anything – it’s the Government’s looking that worries me.”

Monkeywrench -

Good one. Very good.

marily -

Bless you. My Dad is almost 90 and has been in a nursing home with dementia since late 2001. Wrenching. The day AFTER 9/11 he went down in cardiac arrest (’uhhh…Ma, there’s no planes flyin”), they couldn’t find his DNR (he had one), so they paddled his ass back to “life” (twice to get it to stick) and he went straight from ICU to the nursing home, where he remains. I’m gonna see him when I get there as well.

ccmask -

LOL!

Bobby G–

I am with Valley — I have answers, but they are too complicated for proper communication — I will work on it.

Meanwhile, I was at a DNA/Civil Liberties conference today and I am getting a bit spooked about the kin searches currently being performed for good medical reasons, but being contemplated for bad law enforcement reasons.

Our ethical structures development do not match our technology abilities.

Memeorial -

this is a typo (I wouldn’t pun around with this topic).

as this is Freud’s 150th anniversary month, I apologize if my unconscious scrambled the word.

hey, mui — just wanted to thank you for the good companionship last night. it was thoughtful, informative and nice is all. ;)

Bobby G 233
If somebody gives you that line, ask ‘em for their PIN number, and tell them to give you their pants. Act surprised when they balk. “But I thought you didn’t need privacy!”

Tell them if the damned Republican Congress had given Bill Clinton these sweeping powers, 9/11 never would have happened. Then rub your hands together maniacally and say, “Just wait til President Hillary Clinton gets her hands on those records!” and laugh maniacally.

Agree with them. Then tell them you hope Bush gets rid of jury trials next. “If your arrested, you’re guilty! Straight to Guantanamo with you!”

Hey angie and mui,

getta room.

Hey, I have been out of the house for a while, did I get any calls?

-GSD

hey immanentize– we have an entire FDL hostel– you’re welcome too!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

From C-Span: capitalnews.org is taking a poll on most important news story of the week. The NSA illegal spying wins by a landslide.

Last night I read on several of the internets a view that I hadn’t thought of regarding Pelosi: It seems the Pugs want voters to believe that if Dems take the house, the following 2 years will be nothing but impeachment hearing and crap ….blah blah blah… They believe with this kind of thinking along with the MSM drumbeat of the same, it will force their fellow pugs and some shaky libs along with them, to the polls so that the gov will not come to a halt with hearings and all. And since libs “attacked” Pelosi for it, it would also help to alienate Pelosi from the Dems.

Thanks, angie, I’ll pick up the glasses and empty the ashtrays at the end of the night.

rwcole @ 129:

When you’re president- everything you play is music.

Indeed it is

;>)

Jinny-Wish I was going! I’m having surgery next week and won’t be up and around for awhile otherwise I’d be going….

cleter,

ROTFLMAO!

imm-Our ethical structures development do not match our technology abilities.

You are absolutely correct on that one. I taught a Freshman Seminar the semester that the fly genome, and then the human genome was mapped. Because of the broad framework of the course, we were able to spend a lot of time discussing the implications of the human genome mapping. I invited a prof in another department (Philosopy) to talk to the class. This is someone who is know for his work in Bioethics. They (freshpersons) had a lot of questions for him about the implications of the human genome information. It was really shocking that he dismissed the issue, saying that is not the kind of thing that we have to be dealing with in any immediate way. He was more focused on stuff like assisted suicide. By “really shocking” I mean that my relatively young and untutored students were shocked at the naivete of this academic. I wish I could remember the name of the movie we also watched (student rec.), but GATTAGA? maybe, with Jude Law? Not so far off, they wondered.

oh and while i’m at it– thanks Dru for your help with my GJ questions in case you did not see my responses.

You, too, are welcome at the FDL hacienda in my mind!

We all come and sit a spell and get a little happier, smarter and more hopeful.

Valley Girl says:
May 12th, 2006 at 7:28 pm

BobbyG- this is a great question. I don’t have a great answer right now.
_____

OK, here’s one of mine:

I know that the probability of my being involved in ANYTHING illegal — much less “terroristic” — is EXACTLY ZERO. Consequently (any abstract philosophical 4th Amendment fastidiousness aside for the sake of central argument), the probability — however slight (and to the extent even objectively calculable)– of you erroneously tagging me as a Bad Guy, is, by comparison, INFINITE.

That is a risk I am unwilling to take, for the most rational of reasons. And, given that my Constitution puts simply the burden of reasonableness (”probable cause”) on YOU, I have no further need to justify myself to you. You obtain some rational measure of “cause,” then have at it. Otherwise, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY BUSINESS.

Bulldog @209 -

That kid on Larry King looked like he was homeschooled. Randi asked him to go enlist and go to Iraq. She also said she for herself served in Air Force for 6 yrs. Randi was magnificient. I think John Roberts likes Randi. May be he listens to her on drive time like I do. (1260AM on DC). By the way, why did I get the feeling that CNN is grooming Roberts to take over Larry King’s slot when King keels over with his garlique overdose?

Valley — Gattaca

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/

Great movie…

cleter – if you are right about the poll numbers, Bush will pass Nixon by the end of the month…

you, Immanentize, are missing capitalization! We ALL clean up after the party here…

(dadgumit, wish i could use those html thingies and be sophisticated.)

VG 7 Imm – the product was called Minipoo
came w/ powder, comb and a little felt square that fit over the comb’s teeth – used it in places like Africa and Nepal, where all fresh water was prescious

cleter,

I agree. The best response to nonsense like that is to extend it as far as you can to show where it leads.

Ironing? What’s that?

My fave (surprised no one mentioned it yet):

The small, hand-held steamer!

We’re not big fans of all sorts of extraneous electrical gadgets, especially all the gimmicky kitchen stuff, but the steamer for clothes, I LOVE it!

Best little purchase we made in ages. It’s small and packs neatly in a corner of the suitcase.

Remove wrinkled garment from suitcase in hotel room and hang on a hanger or lay out flat on bathroom counter — apply steam from steamer, and VOILA! No more wrinkles.

[Of course, this works well at home too. We bought it for use on curtains and drapes which had tough wrinkles from having been folded in original packaging. Worked like a charm. Now we use it on all our clothes, too. Obviously doesn’t work to STARCH shirts, but for everything else it’s a snap.]

Bobby G: my father, with a brain tumor in 1979, decribed what a wonderful trip he had taken on the wings of a beautiful bird. I crawled partially in the hospital bed with him and said, “how beautiful!” Sometimes that is all you can do. I bless you back. May God be with you.

on the NSA thing
ask people whether they want a permanent record of every call they make RETAINED for future reference
ask them if they trust everyone who might have access to that information
ask them why these records need to be kept in perpetuity
do you think that the Dusty Foggos of this world are above using the informationm for something other than catching terrorists

Immanentize -

Gattaca. Yes, fine flick, I have the DVD.

“GATC”

260 det er en ting og tak skal du har!

imm- thanks for linky. But isn’t it amazing that my students 18 yos were more tuned into the problems than an “expert”? Amazing, or maybe sad, or maybe a good thing.

The fact is 911 would have happened no matter what. Wiretapping never would have picked that up. I mean it was written on the front page of the PDB and they missed it….
“…Determined to Attack inside the USA”……it gets me sick when I think of how determined BushCo is on filling his pockets for him and his buddies and loyalty oaths and stuff. I wish he would have some manners and spare those of us who didn’t vote for him his up & coming Monday 20 minute thing he has to say wrt immigration. Put that in his pipe and smoke his base.

imman(250) “Sir, I can tell you that trenchcoat hides nothing but your sins.â€
Sorry, got sidetracked & was puttering around.
BTW. I think I am too much a fan of science fiction, not to get freaked by DNA database talk.

Feelin’ epu’d.

The enforcement of illegal immigration will be like what the Soviets did.

If you are in line with the Party, no prob; if you are a dissident/Democrat/someone who refuses to pay BRIBES, then your company will be investigated for OOOH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

The Soviet legal system: too many laws, but only enforced against ‘Enemies of the State’.

O.K. who speaks Scandinavian?

Mack -

Yeah, great stuff.

BTW- Is it true that only Jewish people are allowed to answer a question WITH questions?

;)

marily -

xoxoxo

I’ll hang with me Pops tomorrow a while. (He thinks I’m his brother.)

Oh oh… JPod thinks Foggo was a bad idea:

http://corner.nationalreview.c…..A3NzY2YmY=

Hmmm… Apparently guidance has come. Goss must have had a divine line.

Phone records redux
as I understand it, one theory of how they are used is
if someone who is suspected of al quaida ties has phone contact with a US citizen, the US citizen’s contacts are analized
jump one more level and you have 3 degrees of osamma bin laden, and you better hope that guy who wants to sell you aluminum siding never tried to sell someone who talked to a ’suspicious’ name overseas, or
bingo
you are on the watch list

So what’s with all the Republican fear mongering about the Democrats investigating them if the Democrats take the House or Senate in November?

If they have done nothing wrong, they have nothing to hide.

-GSD

Bobby G
Ask them if they close the door when they go to the bathroom. If so, why?
Ask them if they mind the NSA watching them go to the bathroom.
Ask them if they mind the NSA watching them have sex.
Ask them if they mind the IRS having access to all those records.
Tell them to get the hell out of your country and go to a country where that kind of fascism is legal. “If you hate America’s Constitution, get the hell out! Go live in China!”

Mui 277- Angie does; I try ;)

Valley, I totally agree/understand. It is almost as if thinking about things too much keeps you from being able to understand them. It is the same in legal ethics — the most ethical response is never required by the code of ethics. I ry to trick myself in thinking about ethical issues by creating new “perspectives to enter a problem — like, what would a seven year old daughter of a battered woman think about the prosecutor’s treatment of her mom?

That is the innocence our first year students bring to problems. It is almost impossible to retain that inquisitive attitude after the first tests are graded :~)

John Podhoretz looks like the kind of man who would put mayonnaise on Chinese food.

-GSD

This is so EPU’d that I am embarassed to post it, but William Arkin has a fairly deep discussion of the NSA at WaPo Early Warning Column.
p j

Dru 272– jeg er glad for din hjælp!

Mack, followup-

He raised a great point. We have privacy laws (and rights) because of the incontrovertible DAMAGE others can do to us via misuse of our personal information.

Moreover, we cannot be said to be “free” absent control of our privacy. Without it, there effectively IS NO “liberty” (that Bush ostensibly values so highly).

Mui 275 — Ha! I’m lucky to own a nice black trenchcoat for my sin-hiding. And my red right hand.

Hey cool – you got the ae to stick together! Yer in bidness now!

good one GSD #281. I wonder how Timmeh’s brother Jimmeh doing in his upcoming campaign…

I strongly suspect that this…

“Archer Logistics, won a contract to provide bottled water, first-aid kits and other supplies to CIA agents in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..8duke.html

Is tied in with this…

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/sto…..id=4074372

Jeff Ake is a business acquaintance of mine.

Tis majik– Dru– more cut and paste.

GSD– worse yet, methinks Jon does Miracle Whip on General Tsao’s whatever…

Cozumel — very very weird. My spidey sense is tingling.

BobbyG

SusanG has a great front pager on kos addressing lots of the issues with good questions here.

Also we’re one short of putting together a roots group for Nevada. Got any activist friends?

imm- It is almost impossible to retain that inquisitive attitude after the first tests are graded :~)
yes, that is so true. No tests in my freshman seminar. But, it was refreshing for a change to encounter young wisdom, before they became ‘emoroids’. Trust you will get that joke, even if no one else has the info to make sense of it.

280, mack: well, according to the USA Today article, these #’s are collected for the purpose of “using data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity”.
Which I interpret to mean that they have a theory that sifting thru calling patterns somehow tells them that somebody is a terrorist. I think it’s bogus thinking.
Did sifting thru calling patterns lead to the arrest of the Lackawanna guys? Padilla? I don’t think so. Thus, by real world arrests, their program failed. It’s flawed.
Ghostman

Valley — very funny. Somehow goes with,

“I’m ‘enery the eigth I am, enery the eighth I yam I yam.”

With ‘emoroids.

I really gotta sleep all, have fun and don’t stay up too late –

catch you all on the flip side.

immanentize (289). It should be a khaki one, Sir. It’s *always* a khaki in the movies with a never ending amount of pockets from which anything could emerge. Say it’s kung fu, there would be something like ghoulish chain weapons or a pistol.

The Garance Franke-Ruta piece, what a remarkable insight. Thank you for the link.

It seems to me that any talk of a huge house victory this fall is only building expectations, so anything less than 30 will be talked about as a victory for the republicans.

BobbyG – take care. As an only child I helped my mother for 15 years as my Dad walked the lonely Alzheimers road, then had to walk her through her final years as her dementia increased. But to this day those final years brought closure to so much and gave us a time so precious to me still. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

G’night immanentize. Gotta go out in this horrible rain now. Blech.

Cozumel 292; how awful…I’ll be following that one too.

OK, I admit it! I don’t know what EPU means.

Laudy Ms Jane, you sure watch Tweety alot! I’m just saying..

ah shucks.

I’m sure that Karl, if he had the choice, would like this news to hit presses on a Friday. The only better time would be on the Friday before Memorial Day.

The then, Karl is not in control of this, is he.

hehehehe