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	<title>Comments on: To Biscuit or Not to Biscuit?</title>
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		<title>By: garryowen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99616</link>
		<dc:creator>garryowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 22:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I miss Paul Wellstone. I think someone like him would be providing some of that leadership you talked about at the end or your post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: wonderbuss</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99554</link>
		<dc:creator>wonderbuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 22:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps some re-evaluation of our message is necessary, but I don’t think we need that much navel-gazing. We need to be smarter in how we deliver our message, to be able to define who we are instead of allowing the Republican Party to do it for us.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Much of the media accounts of the Democratic effort in the 2004 presidential elections seemed to hail it as one of the most organized and unified ever, the reality on the ground was much different, according to some of my friends who volunteered in Colorado and Florida.  On Election Day the Democratic efforts were chaotic and haphazard, volunteers having to jury-rig get-out-the-vote efforts and other structural needs; nothing was in place.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile the Republicans used the organizational backbone of conservative and church-based groups to get their message out not only on election day but throughout the year.  We need a similar apparatus.  I agree with Howard Dean that we need such an infrastructure in place, but thereâ€™s not enough money for the DNC to do it all.  We need to coordinate with groups such as Move On, Daily Kos and Democracy for America, and make sure that it relates to real-world effort, not just some meeting of minds in cyberspace.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps Republicans need support groups more because their world view is archaic and often at odds with reality, an extra-special need for their message to be reinforced.  But that shouldnâ€™t preclude Democrats from trying to create a similar structure.  Not a group bound by religion or cult-like groupthink, but a social construct that takes the place of what clubs and religions used to do; allow people to feel a welcome part of a group, provide support, to reaffirm moral values, to allow one to think of issues larger than in oneâ€™s own life.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I keep up with the news and blogs, but I often feel that with some of the Democratic gatherings Iâ€™ve attended that there is a clubbishness and sense of middle-class privilege.  The tendency Iâ€™ve seen is that theyâ€™re smart, mostly college-educated, question everything and are critical thinkers, but they lack the empathy or compassion to really relate to anyone outside their own sphere.  Despite their progressive political leanings, they can be as uncomfortable around people outside their own group as those from the other party.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to be better at this, stop demonizing people from the red states (partly a class issue at work here, I think) and do the hard, uncomfortable work of translating our wonderful cyberspace meeting places into real ones in our communities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps some re-evaluation of our message is necessary, but I don’t think we need that much navel-gazing. We need to be smarter in how we deliver our message, to be able to define who we are instead of allowing the Republican Party to do it for us.  </p>
<p>Much of the media accounts of the Democratic effort in the 2004 presidential elections seemed to hail it as one of the most organized and unified ever, the reality on the ground was much different, according to some of my friends who volunteered in Colorado and Florida.  On Election Day the Democratic efforts were chaotic and haphazard, volunteers having to jury-rig get-out-the-vote efforts and other structural needs; nothing was in place.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile the Republicans used the organizational backbone of conservative and church-based groups to get their message out not only on election day but throughout the year.  We need a similar apparatus.  I agree with Howard Dean that we need such an infrastructure in place, but thereâ€™s not enough money for the DNC to do it all.  We need to coordinate with groups such as Move On, Daily Kos and Democracy for America, and make sure that it relates to real-world effort, not just some meeting of minds in cyberspace.  </p>
<p>Perhaps Republicans need support groups more because their world view is archaic and often at odds with reality, an extra-special need for their message to be reinforced.  But that shouldnâ€™t preclude Democrats from trying to create a similar structure.  Not a group bound by religion or cult-like groupthink, but a social construct that takes the place of what clubs and religions used to do; allow people to feel a welcome part of a group, provide support, to reaffirm moral values, to allow one to think of issues larger than in oneâ€™s own life.  </p>
<p>I keep up with the news and blogs, but I often feel that with some of the Democratic gatherings Iâ€™ve attended that there is a clubbishness and sense of middle-class privilege.  The tendency Iâ€™ve seen is that theyâ€™re smart, mostly college-educated, question everything and are critical thinkers, but they lack the empathy or compassion to really relate to anyone outside their own sphere.  Despite their progressive political leanings, they can be as uncomfortable around people outside their own group as those from the other party.  </p>
<p>We need to be better at this, stop demonizing people from the red states (partly a class issue at work here, I think) and do the hard, uncomfortable work of translating our wonderful cyberspace meeting places into real ones in our communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Catholic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99433</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 21:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Demand universal health care, promise to hold those who are wrecking the country accountable, offer genuine lobby and campaign finance reform( as in public financing), “FAIR TRADE AND TAXES”, Alternate and renewable engergy to put distance between us and foreign petroleum reserves, and a push for a higher minimum wage packaged in a text that portrays the GOP as a group of power and money hungry bait and switch liars. Lies about why we’re at war, lies about spying on our loved ones and ourselves, lies about the abandonment of stricken places like New Orleans and and lies about what we stand for.  Accuse them of crewing corporate pirate ships. The GOP is Mr. Schmee. Prioritize reversing media, cable and telecom mergers so it’s harder for people to lie to us.  Above all, show some gumption, BE PISSED OFF about being robbed blind and abandon the stupid “electibility” meme, and pick  candidates who say what has to be said in blunt terms. Drill voting into the heads of those you know, if each and everyone who reads our blog communities did just that then GOTV would be nothing but a reminder, a little reinforcement and not like plowing rocky ground. If everyone who comments wrote letters to their local editors and to one national publication the roots would make their presence known.  Write your goddamned representatives and senators and then spend a buck to call them to remind them that you wrote.  Last-if everyone who reads these sterling bloggers would send money to our kind of candidates, to the  DNC, the Rahm Emmanuels and Hillary Clintons would get the message. Brew your own goddamned (fair trade) coffee and give the money to those who’ll use it instead of Starbucks. One more thing.  If you read a really good blog post that’s of moderate length, print it, include the blog logo, and then when you go to the store, or for a walk in the park, or to the movies (or Starbucks), hand ‘em out. Just a dozen or so once in a while would have ripple effects. Forward blog posts in your emails, use entertaining ones most of the time and then slip the politcal ones in from time to time. COMMUNICATE!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demand universal health care, promise to hold those who are wrecking the country accountable, offer genuine lobby and campaign finance reform( as in public financing), “FAIR TRADE AND TAXES”, Alternate and renewable engergy to put distance between us and foreign petroleum reserves, and a push for a higher minimum wage packaged in a text that portrays the GOP as a group of power and money hungry bait and switch liars. Lies about why we’re at war, lies about spying on our loved ones and ourselves, lies about the abandonment of stricken places like New Orleans and and lies about what we stand for.  Accuse them of crewing corporate pirate ships. The GOP is Mr. Schmee. Prioritize reversing media, cable and telecom mergers so it’s harder for people to lie to us.  Above all, show some gumption, BE PISSED OFF about being robbed blind and abandon the stupid “electibility” meme, and pick  candidates who say what has to be said in blunt terms. Drill voting into the heads of those you know, if each and everyone who reads our blog communities did just that then GOTV would be nothing but a reminder, a little reinforcement and not like plowing rocky ground. If everyone who comments wrote letters to their local editors and to one national publication the roots would make their presence known.  Write your goddamned representatives and senators and then spend a buck to call them to remind them that you wrote.  Last-if everyone who reads these sterling bloggers would send money to our kind of candidates, to the  DNC, the Rahm Emmanuels and Hillary Clintons would get the message. Brew your own goddamned (fair trade) coffee and give the money to those who’ll use it instead of Starbucks. One more thing.  If you read a really good blog post that’s of moderate length, print it, include the blog logo, and then when you go to the store, or for a walk in the park, or to the movies (or Starbucks), hand ‘em out. Just a dozen or so once in a while would have ripple effects. Forward blog posts in your emails, use entertaining ones most of the time and then slip the politcal ones in from time to time. COMMUNICATE!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99273</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And so begins the formal 6-month campaign of innoculating GOP  Congressmen from Bush’s negatives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so begins the formal 6-month campaign of innoculating GOP  Congressmen from Bush’s negatives.</p>
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		<title>By: starazagora</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99261</link>
		<dc:creator>starazagora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This pandering business:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democratic chairman Howard Dean mischaracterized his party’s platform on gay rights in an interview courting evangelicals, then set the record straight Thursday when an advocacy group called him on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dean told Christian Broadcasting Network News that the 2004 Democratic platform declares “marriage is between a man and a woman” _ just one of the points he made in reaching out to religious conservatives who are largely hostile to the party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the platform does not define marriage that way, and his remarks prompted the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to return a $5,000 donation from the Democratic National Committee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dean later acknowledged his misstatement, but the group sent back the money anyway. “We need for Governor Dean to demonstrate real leadership on our issues,” executive director Matt Foreman said in an interview, “not to equivocate depending on the audience.” (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/11/D8HHP2K00.html)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;has to stop.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pandering business:</p>
<p>Democratic chairman Howard Dean mischaracterized his party’s platform on gay rights in an interview courting evangelicals, then set the record straight Thursday when an advocacy group called him on it.</p>
<p>Dean told Christian Broadcasting Network News that the 2004 Democratic platform declares “marriage is between a man and a woman” _ just one of the points he made in reaching out to religious conservatives who are largely hostile to the party.</p>
<p>But the platform does not define marriage that way, and his remarks prompted the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to return a $5,000 donation from the Democratic National Committee.</p>
<p>Dean later acknowledged his misstatement, but the group sent back the money anyway. “We need for Governor Dean to demonstrate real leadership on our issues,” executive director Matt Foreman said in an interview, “not to equivocate depending on the audience.” (<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/11/D8HHP2K00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/11/D8HHP2K00.html</a>)</p>
<p>has to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: starazagora</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99255</link>
		<dc:creator>starazagora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that one thing progressives could do that would be fairly simple and register big on election results is to take a non-voter to the polls.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Find someone you know who doesn’t vote or hasn’t voted recently, possibly an 18 year old new voter, ask them if they will vote in November, and then support them in that decision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t tell them how to vote –just ask them to vote. If they ask you, certainly you are then in a position to say your bit, but don’t push anything except the fact that they need to vote. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it’s insane to keep chasing independents and “swing voters.” The best resource for progressives, I believe, is the non-voter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one thing progressives could do that would be fairly simple and register big on election results is to take a non-voter to the polls.</p>
<p>Find someone you know who doesn’t vote or hasn’t voted recently, possibly an 18 year old new voter, ask them if they will vote in November, and then support them in that decision.</p>
<p>Don’t tell them how to vote –just ask them to vote. If they ask you, certainly you are then in a position to say your bit, but don’t push anything except the fact that they need to vote. </p>
<p>I think it’s insane to keep chasing independents and “swing voters.” The best resource for progressives, I believe, is the non-voter.</p>
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		<title>By: dead last</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99229</link>
		<dc:creator>dead last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Democrats need to come out and say “We are not the old Democrats.”  And then prove it.  They need to take a vow of openness, honesty, and objectivity, and make a meaningful dedication to the constitution and constitutional values.  Put America back on the map in terms of real commitment to American Idealism.  We’re talking values like democracy, freedom of speech, religion, privacy, property, success, failure, baseball, mom, and apple pie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democrats need reach out and say “We are here to work with you, all of you, even the poor, tired, weak, not to mention the huddled masses in new orleans…” and fricking mean it.  And they can’t move off of their core values: but they will be much better of if they are willing to respect and not belittle the other side’s core values (as long as they are honest and ligitimate concerns).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lets move forward in this nation or in 20 years we will still be having this discussion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats need to come out and say “We are not the old Democrats.”  And then prove it.  They need to take a vow of openness, honesty, and objectivity, and make a meaningful dedication to the constitution and constitutional values.  Put America back on the map in terms of real commitment to American Idealism.  We’re talking values like democracy, freedom of speech, religion, privacy, property, success, failure, baseball, mom, and apple pie.</p>
<p>Democrats need reach out and say “We are here to work with you, all of you, even the poor, tired, weak, not to mention the huddled masses in new orleans…” and fricking mean it.  And they can’t move off of their core values: but they will be much better of if they are willing to respect and not belittle the other side’s core values (as long as they are honest and ligitimate concerns).</p>
<p>Lets move forward in this nation or in 20 years we will still be having this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty4all</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99210</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty4all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am a parent of two teenagers newly registered to vote.  We have a program in Missouri Kids Voting that begins in elementary that educates kids on the voting process.  I noticed that once they could vote for real they were often intimidated due to lack of knowledge on the issues. If we could start a grass roots project that would direct people to a sample local ballot and ID ways to educate yourself on the issues I think more people (women) would vote.  Locally, it is always beneficial for someone to recieve something hand written.  Similar to how many charities fund raise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a parent of two teenagers newly registered to vote.  We have a program in Missouri Kids Voting that begins in elementary that educates kids on the voting process.  I noticed that once they could vote for real they were often intimidated due to lack of knowledge on the issues. If we could start a grass roots project that would direct people to a sample local ballot and ID ways to educate yourself on the issues I think more people (women) would vote.  Locally, it is always beneficial for someone to recieve something hand written.  Similar to how many charities fund raise.</p>
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		<title>By: thedeanpeople</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/to-biscuit-or-not-to-biscuit/#comment-99142</link>
		<dc:creator>thedeanpeople</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 18:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Impeachment . . &lt;em&gt;IS&lt;/em&gt; . . the “Postitive Agenda”&lt;/b&gt; … (stupid)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Without it, what exactly are the Dems offering &lt;em&gt;TO DO&lt;/em&gt; with their shiny new non-veto-proof majority ?!?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gee, perhaps they’ll pass a law criminalizing signing statements — which the chuckling bushkid will instantly negate with a signing statement?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the reality folks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No “investigation” is needed. In fact the suggestion itself is a veiled call to inaction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What part of “We don’t need no stinking badges (warrants)!” do people not understand ?!?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How is TERRORZING the American People with a bomb threat of “Mushroom Clouds … in 45 minutes” not an impeachable offense? Even if they hadn’t done it to commit war crimes in our name?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really, it’s long past “get off the pot” time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Save Feingold and Conyers, THE LOT OF THEM are complicit with ongoing criminality and treason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, really. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so are each and every one of us, if we’re not screaming our heads off about it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, screaming. &lt;a href=&quot;http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/1&quot;&gt;“Violence” really is the answer&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stop listening to the Beltway BS from the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy. Calling for impeachment is not bad strategy. It will not energize a backlash. It will not “be like the Clinton impeachment” (it will be the opposite). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it can’t wait. Calling for it now makes it non-partisan — and more likely to succeed. In fact, if we got the message to Repubs that “It’s Pres. Hastert now or Pres. Pelosi later,” we’d likely see the back of bush/cheney before the midterms. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Again. Yes, really.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the bottom line is that strategy, fallout, and likelihood of success CANNOT be part of the equation. It is simply a moral imperative. Something that we all know must be done.&lt;br /&gt;
Principles we’re not willing to stand on are just bromides. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There really is no other moral or patriotic option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Impeachment . . <em>IS</em> . . the “Postitive Agenda”</b> … (stupid)</p>
<p>Without it, what exactly are the Dems offering <em>TO DO</em> with their shiny new non-veto-proof majority ?!?</p>
<p>Gee, perhaps they’ll pass a law criminalizing signing statements — which the chuckling bushkid will instantly negate with a signing statement?</p>
<p>That’s the reality folks. </p>
<p>No “investigation” is needed. In fact the suggestion itself is a veiled call to inaction.</p>
<p>What part of “We don’t need no stinking badges (warrants)!” do people not understand ?!?</p>
<p>How is TERRORZING the American People with a bomb threat of “Mushroom Clouds … in 45 minutes” not an impeachable offense? Even if they hadn’t done it to commit war crimes in our name?</p>
<p>Really, it’s long past “get off the pot” time.</p>
<p>Save Feingold and Conyers, THE LOT OF THEM are complicit with ongoing criminality and treason.</p>
<p>Yes, really. </p>
<p>And so are each and every one of us, if we’re not screaming our heads off about it. </p>
<p>Yes, screaming. <a href="http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/1">“Violence” really is the answer</a>.</p>
<p>Stop listening to the Beltway BS from the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy. Calling for impeachment is not bad strategy. It will not energize a backlash. It will not “be like the Clinton impeachment” (it will be the opposite). </p>
<p>And it can’t wait. Calling for it now makes it non-partisan — and more likely to succeed. In fact, if we got the message to Repubs that “It’s Pres. Hastert now or Pres. Pelosi later,” we’d likely see the back of bush/cheney before the midterms. </p>
<p>(Again. Yes, really.)</p>
<p>But the bottom line is that strategy, fallout, and likelihood of success CANNOT be part of the equation. It is simply a moral imperative. Something that we all know must be done.<br />
Principles we’re not willing to stand on are just bromides. </p>
<p>There really is no other moral or patriotic option.</p>
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		<title>By: NIKTO</title>
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		<dc:creator>NIKTO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Add-ons:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–Break up the Media Monopoly corporations and greatly INCREASE AND STRENGTHEN public ownership of Media outlets of ALL kinds;&lt;br /&gt;
Establish  additional PUBLIC networks on TV, Radio and Internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–Strengthen national whistleblower protection laws, bigtime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–Build more prisons to house Republican political crooks and gangsters after their convictions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add-ons:</p>
<p>–Break up the Media Monopoly corporations and greatly INCREASE AND STRENGTHEN public ownership of Media outlets of ALL kinds;<br />
Establish  additional PUBLIC networks on TV, Radio and Internet.</p>
<p>–Strengthen national whistleblower protection laws, bigtime.</p>
<p>–Build more prisons to house Republican political crooks and gangsters after their convictions.</p>
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