
(Jennifer Nix is the editor of Glenn Greenwald’s book How Would a Patriot Act. Given the relevance of Glenn’s book to today’s revelations about the Bush Administration spying on its own citizens, I asked Jennifer to write up her thoughts. She has also made available Chapter 6 of Glenn’s book in downloadable PDF form for FDL readers — JH)
On February 15, I sat in a Chinese dive in North Beach with the online editor of well-known progressive magazine and a similarly-leaning, legendary book editor. I’d name names, but it’s only the twisted trust these men place in “conventional wisdom” that I wish to call out. And, I write this today only because the country as a whole seems to be in the grip of this same impotent and failed belief system, the one that tells us there is nothing we can do to stop the Bush administration from trampling on the Constitution and sliding this great nation from democracy into despotism.
It’s time to exorcise these demons of so-called conventional wisdom. Doing the right thing in politics and media, just because it’s the right thing, has become something of a lost art. But, maybe we can do something about it. So, here’s my tale.
I’d shown up for dinner with a bounce in my step, charged up by a number of conservatives-with-cajones stepping forward to take the Bush administration to task over its unwarranted domestic spying program, and claims that W can break any law he finds inconvenient. Republicans like Bob Barr and Bruce Fein were even using the “I” word (and the very next day, George Will would weigh in with his two cents likening Bush to a monarch). I expected that my dinner partners, as progressive thought-leaders and purveyors of information, would be fired up, too. I looked forward to a rousing discussion of how to explain Bush’s law-breaking ways, to connect the dots, and bring historical perspective to recent events.
Alas, I found no urgency, no fervent desire to inform the citizenry of what all was at stake. Instead I was treated to smug defeatism, of the brand so popular today in Washington, DC, even though we were hunched over a tiny table at the House of Nan King in liberal San Francisco. You know the stuff. The political posturing: It’s a losing proposition for Democrats to support censure or impeachment. This Congress will never impeach Bush. We’ll look weak on security. Or the ever-comfortable, elitist stance: People don’t care about these issues. They only care about American Idol. I paraphrase, but you get the idea.
“Are we supposed to stand by and do nothing?” I asked.
They looked at me like I was a five-year-old. Or, perhaps the radical fringe. I remember the book editor saying, “We can only do what we can do.” I left dinner somewhat disoriented, but after a Scotch by myself at Tosca, where I waited for my husband to come pick me up, I became even more committed to the Glenn Greenwald book project I was trying to get funded. I’d met Glenn through a fellowship at Working Assets, and had the idea that if his ideas could reach a wider audience, we might just be able to create a tipping point about Bush’s abuse of power. With Will Rockafellow, I’d put together a proposal, and about a week after my night at Nan King, Working Assets agreed to launch a publishing venture with Glenn’s project. The book, How Would a Patriot Act? formally enters the world next week, after some much-appreciated buzz on the blogs a couple of weeks ago.
But, despite my hopes for what Glenn’s book may be able to accomplish, we are still fighting an uphill battle in the public opinion arena. It is astounding to me that conservatives have been far bolder in criticizing the president over his NSA shenanigans. And even in the face of the USA Today story, detailing more administration lies and explaining the NSA’s plans to build a database of every call made within the country, we see no collective demand from Democrats to stand up and say, NO MORE!
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. We need a movement. We need to be our own leaders, people. It will take all of our talent, all of our knowledge. All of our cooperation.
This has to be a citizen-led movement, and it will take all of us working together to build the necessary pressure. Yes, our Congress may be controlled by the president’s party, but there are some brave elected officials for whom we can build support. And this is not a liberal or conservative crisis. This is an American crisis.
And our media—mainstream and progressive—have often been too timid to stand up to this administration, but the stories are starting to roll in. The New York Times, the Boston Globe and even USA Today are working it now.
But we have to care. We have to be outraged. We have to take action.
This is our moment. Our public servants are there to follow the will of the people. If the people want George Bush to stop breaking the law, then the people must, and can, make him stop.
So, here are some first suggestions to help citizens stand up to the Bush administration:
1) Read or listen to Senator Russ Feingold’s May 8 speech at the National Press Club [MP3]. And here’s what he had to say today about the USA Today revelations:
This Administration’s arrogance and abuse of power should concern all Americans. That the government may be secretly collecting, and using data mining to analyze, the phone records of millions of law-abiding Americans, as reported in the press today, is a frightening prospect. I am unaware of this program, and Congress needs to find out exactly what the Administration is doing and whether it is legal. It is time for the Administration to come clean with Congress and the American people. We can effectively fight terrorism and protect privacy, the rule of law, and separation of powers, but only if we have a President who believes in these principles.
2) Visit the Progressive Patriots Fund.
3) Vote with your dollars and leave the telecoms that handed over your information. From CNN.com:
AT&T Corp., Verizon Communications Inc., and BellSouth Corp. telephone companies began turning over records of tens of millions of their customers’ phone calls to the National Security Agency program shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said USA Today, citing anonymous sources it said had direct knowledge of the arrangement.
4) Read this excerpt [PDF] from How Would a Patriot Act? for some historical perspective on just how hopeless a cause it once seemed to fight for the impeachment of Richard Nixon. And we know what happened there. Here’s one passage:
President Nixon was held accountable for his wrongdoing and abuses of power because Americans, with the relevant evidence assembled by the press and by Congress, concluded that he had seized powers that were not rightfully his to exercise. As a result, they demanded that he be forced from office, because preserving the American system of government from those who sought to assault and violate it took precedence over partisan allegiances.
It took a full year after the break-in — during which top Nixon aides resigned and there were highly publicized attempts by the administration to block investigations — before Americans began, gradually and reluctantly, to conclude that the president had committed serious wrongdoing. And it took another year for Americans to demand that the president be held accountable and that he be forced from office. Eventually, with impeachment a foregone conclusion, President Richard Nixon went on national television on August 8, 1974, to announce that he would resign the next day.
That two-year process — from burglary to resignation — was enabled by the checks and balances the founders instituted in order to safeguard our system of government: namely, a free and aggressive press, a Congress that takes its oversight duties seriously, and the reservation of ultimate power in the hands of the American people.
5) Stand with Representative John Conyers on the impeachment investigation resolution. Use your imagination. Be creative. Talk to each other. Build a movement. Your country needs you.
Enough already with the conventional wisdom. Let’s not worry this time about political posturing. Let’s do the right thing and stand up to a president who’s making a mockery of our Constitution. It might just work.
Update: Pach, from the comments adds one more action step "Join your neighbors in open source lobbying and media campaigns to accomplish what Jennifer describes: Email stateproject at gmail dot com and put your home state (and only your home state) in the subject line."
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Fitz!
the kisses and love won’t carry me, till ya marry me FITZ!
FITZ!!
OT but interesting via link on Sibel Edmunds website that I bookmarked oh so long ago: this summary of Sibel’s case maybe a little hint of what is being hidden.
http://thestressblog.com/2006/…..d-the-mic/
Shite!!
You kids are way too freakin fast.
Hey, Sharkbabe, any further intel to share with us about your friend with the pretty pedicured toes?
EPU’d –
…Judge J. Michael Luttig, one of the country’s most prominent conservative jurists and once considered a likely Supreme Court nominee, has resigned from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va…
I’m sure life (read: $$) in private sector was part of the motivation, but TIME seems to think that he resigned partly out of qualms regarding civil liberties. He was on the Padilla case. If you remember, the administration did a 180 on trying him in civilian court and Luttig basically called the DOJ liars. Hard to believe that Bush & Co. are offending even their base to such a degree.
The pdf is 404.
It’s time to stand up!
All I can say about this awesome post is – THE FUCK YEAH!!!
the link above took me to a transcript
google led me to the MP3 recording of Feingold’s speech
It has been mentioned a couple of times at the Cannonfire blog that a GJ can initiate an impeachment. Power to the people! and Fitz!
Join your neighbors in open source lobbying and media campaigns to accomplish what Jennifer describes:
Email stateproject at gmail dot com and put your home state (and only your home state) in the subject line.
W at 29%!!!! Harris.
Fathead Fukuyama on TDS.
Thank you Jennifer! Awesome post and hell yeah, no more waiting around — everything we care about is at stake. Charge!!!
nixed
Fitz’n A! for Jennifer
Thesaurus 5 – fraid this might just end up bein the old tease ‘n torture. Of course that can have its moments.
Here is the link for GJ and impeachment:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com…..outes.html
Just EPU’d
Thesaurus Rex~
I just read your “On Civility”
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..tml”
Awesome!
12:00 tomorrow is the deadline for any Republican to challenge Katherine Harris, but no one has.
Anyone think she might be blackmailing the RNC with nasty things she may know about the 2000 recount fiasco?
Yes! We have to stop them. No deafeatism. I have been waiting for a post like this! The Constitution is bigger than all of us. We should have impeached with the first violation of the Constitution. Better late than never. Yes it is a bold step but it is no less bold than this administration that we are dealing with. Take no prisoners. We are at a war for the future of our country and perhaps our world. The movement is required of us as patriots who believe in the rule of law.
Fitz and Jack!
Say hi to Jack Cafferty and tell him thanks for his greatness this evening!
http://thankyoujackcafferty.blogspot.com/
Thank you, J. Nix, Editatrix for this uplifting and informative post. Welcome to the Lake!!
I pre-ordered the book along with CTG, and can’t wait for them to arrive. I have a feeling things are only going to get hairier in the coming months. Much hairier. War in Iran. Civil unrest. Republicans are in too deep. They’d rather go to jail and wait for pardons than admit what they’ve done, all at the behest of the imperial president. On the other hand, the bloggers are finally winning the propaganda wars and public sentiment. Buckle up!
I am sooooo tired of “smug defeatism” or the Obama et al play it safe and watch them self destruct. Feeling hopeless is no way to go. It’s no way to win either. If we are to win this thing, and by that I mean, our country back, we have to win big with a huge and real mandate and the guts to see it through.
Thanks so much, Jennifer, what a great post. It’s an incredible book, and it’s unbelievable that it could be written and published so quickly, so responsive to what’s happening RIGHT NOW. Everyone should take advantage of that PDF and read it. It’s an extremely valuable resource.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
HELP IMPEACH TODAY
Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:
1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.
Help out!!!
Thanks :)
Just EPU’d
Thesaurus Rex~
I just read your “On Civilityâ€
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..n-civility .html
Awesome!
Thanks, Leslie!! I was so thrilled to wake up this morning and find that C&L had linked it.
OT– Colbert has Albright on tonite.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0511.html
The shit is almost about to hit the fan. Read this article, then think about this issue (form Cafferty File):
The NSA told the executive (justice department) that they can’t investigate the spy agencies. It looks like the military takeover is near complete. So know with aircraft carriers heading to Iran (sorry, I meant Iraq Mr. Intelligence Officer), we are fucked. Also the article states that since there has been no “presidential finding” on some terrorist islamo-mujhadin organization (compared to christo-mujahdeen) the US has hired, the US operations currently underway in Iran are beyond the authority and reach of the congress and judiciary. The military coup of the USA looks to be complete. They have the White House, the CIA, the NSA, the pentagon, they have by-passed congress, they control enough of the supreme court (I mean even if 1 of the liberals on the supreme court was taken out by one of the guilty members, no one would challenge him. I mean, why would a member of the scotus ake out another member, even if the killer was a member of a skull & bones type group.
Learn to love the smell of naplam in the morning…
I’ve been on the impeachment wagon so long it feels like 4,000 miles of bad road.
troll
Semi-OT, semi-not: I just got back from a “Crashing the Gates†meeting sponsored by the local Democratic club. Markos spoke and then answered questions. (He was terrific, by the way. Copies of the book were on sale, so now I don’t have to go through Amazon.)
Anyway, I have not been active in the local club; when I moved here back in 1989 it was very much a good ol’ Southern boys club. But one of the questioners had identified herself as being on the county executive committee, and asked how they could become more grassroots friendly. So I said what the heck, and at the reception I introduced myself and asked how I could help. Within about ten minutes she had introduced me to several other people and — voila — I’m on the executive committee if I want to be. Which I probably do, although I think I should find out exactly what that involves first.
Who knew it could be that easy to get involved in local politics? Not just stuffing envelopes or precinct walking, although I’m sure I’ll wind up doing that too, but at (at least in a small way) the planning level? I went as a Kossack (and FDLer too) and wham! I’m a member of the Establishment. It turns out that sometimes you don’t have to crash the gate; knock softly and it opens.
By the way, Markos said it hasn’t been announced yet, but YearlyKos is turning into the place to be for Democratic presidential candidates. Feingold can’t be there because the Wisconsin convention is that weekend, but 6 or 8 others (in addition to Warner, who has already said he’s coming) will be there. I didn’t know we had that many, and he didn’t tell me who, but I’m even more excited about going than I was before.
jumpin jack ass
I ordered my copy on the day it went No. 1. Anybody know when they will be delivered?
I have been having a reoccuring nightmare recently in which Shrub pardons Cheney and then resigns, President Cheney pardons Shrub in return, martial law is declared for “Bird Flu” and then he cancels the election in November. I know the burritos at bedtime are a bad idea, but they seem so tasty!
Welcome jumpin!!! A living piece of history – one of last apologists standing, a real 29 percenter. We’ll tell our grandkids about you someday.
Great Post Jennifer and I look forward to reading the book.
OT: If Karl Rove is lining up the Republican party to run on getting tough on immigration, then why did the Republican controlled House Judiciary Committee reject the effort to end bilingual ballots in many states?
Why do Republicans hate immigrants but love their votes?
I’ll tell you what “Jumpin,” for us, this is a ride to ruin. Buckle the fuck up, chuck.
Wouldn’t it be “funny” if the telephone company executives told Arlen Specter that the Patriot Act prohibited them from telling his committee what information the telephone companies gave the government.
I must admit I signed this when the count was around 60,000…up to over 700,000 now…
They have been putting ads in NYTimes and other places. Ads are pretty good. They read:
“Want to remain a Constitutional Democracy?”
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
Sounds like we have a movement…
obsessed #20:
Anyone think she might be blackmailing the RNC with nasty things she may know about the 2000 recount fiasco?
Nah, I think it’s that Harris has screwed things up badly enough that only a really prominent Republican could turn things around. The rest of them would rather let her lose than get in and take the blame for losing themselves.
Thank you so much for this diary! I had just cancelled my cingular wireless service, in protest, before I read your fine article and I am encouraged, that the possibility exists, that we can make a difference.
Such an improvement over that hopeless feeling that so many of us feel…and you nailed the conventional wisdom thing exactly. Most of us are so tired, and busy and stressing just to make ends meet that we can’t really put our minds to the task of accepting that our government is lying to us…we expect a certain level of corruption because we understand that we have human beings at the helm…but the level of corruption is so heartbreaking, and so beyond the scale of us mere mortals, that we are the proverbial “deer in the headlights”. Our disbelief and horror are enabling those who would enslave us all.
Thanks again for your clear thinking and your call to action.
Thanks for your hard work, there are many who will stand up-it is a bullshit philosophy that says we can do nothing. Think about those things you didn’t know how to do in your life and you did them anyhow. My ex and I created a small ski hat business from nothing, we had zero experience. In the end we were selling them across the USA. I am only stating the obvious which is if we can think it we can do it.
Fues
Jennifer – awesome awesome post! Thank you for your work and for sharing your thoughts with us.
One of the reasons I’m working (almost ft it seems) for YearlyKos is that this gathering is a chance for us to meet and plan and get active – and it’s our chance to speak to the speakers who are coming to woo us. I know not everyone can attend, but I really hope a lot of us can and can use the weekend to make things happen. (of course, I hope everyone has signed up for their state groups already and is hitting the phones and all in the meantime – no rest until impeachment!)
and angie – I wonder if he’ll ask Madeline if it’s worth the price? 500,000 Iraqi children dead on her watch.
What part of illegal don’t they understand?
355 ;)
Aheh, “Jumpin’”. We’ve been graced by the presence of a living fossil, kids! One of the last of the Bush-lickers. Get a microphone, let’s interview it!
Mr. Jumpin, has Dr. Frist diagnosed you as not being in a persistent vegetative state? Have you been dipping into Jeff Goldstein’s Klonopin? Well then, to what do you attribute your remarkable ignorance and inability to face facts? Is this a genetic trait common to your species?
Please, speak right into the microphone.
yep siun– she has changed her tone only recently and done no atonement yet.
BarbaraB @ 33 – cheers to you for civic involvement
Prior to Cunningham and Jackson I would have labelled this “crazy Italian tabloid shit”. Now the notion of a quid quo pro for crappy intelligence does mpt seem that inplausible. I give it 30/70.
http://tinyurl.com/rnktn
Jumpin– if you like napalm, how about bugs and bugspray? Because I hear Bugboy has an opening for an apprentice who is a true believer.
Jennifer – I think your mass movement concept is exactly what we need. Our officials need to be led by the people. Everyone needs to talk to their friends and neighbors — the ones we don’t talk to and gripe to about politics already. It’ll take time and effort, but try to bring them along, fill them in on what us political junkies have learned.
As paradox @7 noted, the chapter 6 pdf link leads to a “page not found.”
kinda sucks when you jump in post-troll-scrub and are left to wonder how bad it was….
nodding to angie… atonement would be wise. After working my way through Fisk’s chapters on Depleted Uranium and the Sanctions under Clinton, I don’t feel very forgiving towards that crew either.
As a fellow San Franciscan, I immediately thought of House of Nanking when you said Chinese dive in North Beach. Great food. Too bad your company wasn’t as lively.
Wonderful essay. Thanks.
Thank you for the hard work, Jennifer. I can’t wait to read this book.
T Rex, I too just read your ‘On Civility’, and I love it that you speak truth to nastiness so eloquently!
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..n-civility .html
punaise– quite malodorous, made my eyes water.
(May 11, 2006 — 10:18 PM EST // link)
Hmmm. That didn’t take long.
Bush at 29%. Harris Interactive’s new poll, just out.
– Josh Marshall
Jennifer -
Thanks again for your awesome article.
I love all the ways you suggested for citizens to stand up to the Bushies.
Something along the lines of the 60,000 (or far more) people in Seattle one morning in November 1999 may be a logical next step.
The WTO protests shoved the Doha round of trade talks off the tracks (and the train won’t be making the Congressional station before Fast Track authority expires).
The following April tens of thousands showed up in DC to stop the IMF/WB meeting – without the element of surprise. Amazingly enough, the protests “lost” – the meetings still happened. Yet the IMF/WB have never recovered, and the IMF’s very existence is in doubt.
I don’t think 20,000 or even 100,000 kossacks and fdl’ers and EarthFirst’ers and the like can shut down DC in 2006.
But I think some clever, creative family-friendly bash with tens of thousands of the Republic’s best friends may help shove Bush off the tracks.
Besides, it’ll be something to tell the young’uns – how a whole a bunch of us stood up and fought to save our Republic -
and how when we stood up, we found gifts and talents we’d never recognized -
and with those gifts and talents, we won.
25th anniversary of Bob Marley’s passing.
RIP, Bob, you are missed.
“Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don’t give up the fight!”
I’d like to see a general strike accross the nation. Kind of like a day without a Mexican, only this would be a day without a patriot. Let’s do it.
This NSA wiretap program is Total Information Awareness. Has anyone else though of that? I have more over at my blog – check out all the quotes from the administration figures, etc
29. lets start thinking black jack, as in 21.
kirk murphy @62~
What a lovely and inspiring comment.
BTW:
The repeat of Keith Olbermann starts now….It’s a MUST SEE .
Tomorrow I call AT@T to cancel with them. Today I wrote Feinstein before I knew she was backing off from her words of praise for Hayden of the other day. I told her I would never vote for her again. That from now on only progressive, peace candidates who are willing to be accountable will get my money and my vote. I told her how tired I am of begging my reps to respect our civil liberties.
Hope I receive my preordered Greenwald book very very soon.
(Author’s note: Rant alert. Rant alert. This is not a drill.)
The entire blogosphere, to the Democratic Party:
Fucking DO Something!!! Walk out! Shut down the Senate! Give a speech calling Bush a bald-headed chicken-fucker!! T-P the Whitehouse! But for the love of Yahweh, DO SOMETHING!!!
That’s what this is all about. We sit here day after day, jaws dropping at the stunning, relentless onslaught of lies and crimes and billions of dollars stolen and thousands of dead bodies, and those who are supposed to represent us just sigh and file their nails, like eunuchs at a gang-bang. They just don’t get that we want actions which match the outrage of the crime.
Show me the Senator, Governor or Congressperson who’s as outraged as I am, who has a plan, who loudly and aggressively flings shit at those who advocate “working with the opposition” (I’m looking at you, Barak, as you merrily guffaw along with the president at the White House Correspondents Dinner), and that person gets my dough and my vote.
siun– atonement would be perfectly apt after her talking tonite about religion so much. so many died from starvation, lack of medical care and neglect during the sanctions… there is much more to come. ;( Heaps of blame to go around here, starting most memorably with Reagan and right on thru to w.
angie (25), I am never going to forget how Obama basically chastised our rowdy CT Dems for booing at Lieberman and endorsed him so to speak. Big bucks Obama now.
Related to the current NSA furor is this particularly interesting story from back in World War One days, as related by James Bamford, author of one of the only books on the NSA, The Puzzle Palace:
“By the time Yardley returned to the United States in April, 1919, the State Department was already busy trying to establish a secret liaison with the Western Union Telegraph Company. It was hoped that Western Union would cooperate with the Black Chamber in providing copies of needed messages. For six months the State Department got nowhere; the Radio Communication Act provided harsh penalties for any employee of a telegraph company who divulged the contents of a message. Then Yardley suggested to General Churchill [director of Military Intelligence] that he personally visit Western Union’s president, Newcomb Carlton. The meeting was arranged in September, and Churchill, accompanied by Yardley, raised with President Carlton the delicate matter of his secretly supplying the Chamber, in total violation of the law, copies of all necessary telegrams. After the men ‘had put all our cars on the table,’ Yardley would later write, ‘President Carlton seemed anxious to do everything he could for us.’”
Sounds familiar, eh?
A bit more at my site…
chisholm @ 69: sing it, surely!
T Rex, I too just read your ‘On Civility’, and I love it that you speak truth to nastiness so eloquently!
Thanks!!! I’m so glad that piece is getting read.
I urge all of you to cut and paste it into the comments section of every right-wing blog that you hate. One of the things the trolls kept saying when they came after me for this post:
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..shole.html
was, “Who the hell are you, Thesaurus Rex?! No-one’s ever heard of you! And no one ever will!” Or something like that.
So, please, use my words against them. It would make me happy.
The Critic @ 72: intriguing bit of history
After the men ‘had put all our cars on the table,’
Matchbox, or Hot Wheels? :~)
dana milbank is a big bag of nothing.
If I had any of these phone companies (AT&T, Verizon, or Bell South), I would quit. NOW. So you have a contract. Seems to me that THEY disobeyed the contract.
Hot Wheels are just too damn pimped out for my tastes, punaise.
TRex, you da bomb!
(wait, that didn’t come out quite right. NSA, disregard.)
should we be buying put options on these telecoms?
The Critic @ 79:
…but those loop-d-loops were pretty fine
Critic #72:
Of course, Yardley went on to be quite the leaker of his day. After he was sacked by Secretary of State Stimson (”Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail!”), he wrote The Black Chamber, which told of his exploits in helping snooker the Japanese at the London Naval Conference of 1920. Of course, the Japanese had begun cheating (see “Gentlemen” above) anyway. But what the heck.
Congrats TRex, and good for you using their fear mongering right back at ‘em! Maybe they will finally understand– the last 29% of the zooming, looney wingnuts!
Thwack!
pukebot #77:
Looks like Bonesman Milbank got his orders from higher pay grades than Church Lady?
Jane, I had a very interesting conversation tonight (in person) with the right wing commenter you strafed in this post back in February. http://firedoglake.blogspot.co…..0585395412
There’s a very funny story about it. I’ll email it to you when I get his permission to out him. I’m not sure whether you’ll want to laugh or spit.
oregondave @54~
The pdf might have been not working earlier, but it is now.
Leslie 67 -
Thanks!
I hope I’m not being preachy, but mass events (like Seattle) provide powerful visual messages reaching far beyond the lifestyle fluff (piercings, blue hair).
I’ve worked on the medical and logistical side of these mass gatherings – with minimal budgets, the logistics require two to four months. Larger budgets would make shorter lead times. My rough guess at the core logistical cost for Seattle would be under $500,000.
A bargain.
Less than a million to stop global corporate power with assets in the trillions.
These logistical costs don’t include all the contributions in time and labor and travel costs required of the 60,000 (or more) who showed up outside the conference center.
The folks who came to Seattle in 1999 and DC in April, 2000 gave their time and energy and passion on behalf of issues most Americans had never heard of.
That’s why we came – to break through the common media story and tell our own story.
The NSA’s criminal spying and Bush’s crimes and incompetence are, well, famous – in comparison to the WTO/IMF/WB.
In May 2006 a hell of lot more Americans fear Bush and despise his policies than feared and despised the WTO in 1999.
If anyone wants to make a big, big statement about preserving the Constitution, and they want to invite a few hundred thousand friends, I know we can have one hell of a party.
We may even revive one.
oh, egregious and all other Virginians out there: take a peek at what Crooks and Liars has up here! I have just finished ROTFLMAO at this, and not because of the awful Civil War ;( may all the lost souls RIP), but because ‘rebel’ Georgie was outed and I am so happy it will not be forgotten.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
The Captain #65:
This NSA wiretap program is Total Information Awareness. Has anyone else though of that?
Actually, I think it’s not TIA until they cross-reference it with commercial databases, which I’m sure they’ll having done until the next leak lets us know that they have.
Congress specifically prohibited funds being spent on TIA, as I recall. Looks like Iran-Contra all over again, only more blatant.
Well, Mr./Ms. Senator, Mr./Ms. Congressperson? Are you going to give up “the power of the purse,” too? And if so, what exactly are you doing to earn your salary, ’cause upholding your oath of office sure ain’t it!
yikes-
I’m awaiting moderation.
should I be checking out the mood stabilizer samples?
(note to NSA – please tell the Medical Board I’m joking).
Here’s another non sequiter:
(btw, I am on glass of wine #2, and will, for the sake of all parties involved, soon depart and vent my frustration on the unfortunate stack of scripts by my bed (there better not be any Red Dawn 2s in there, unless its a John Waters project. But I digress.)
There’s absolutely zero proof of this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some Republican, somewhere, has the political savvy (conscience would be asking too much) to see the writing on the wall and make a name for him or herself as “the Republican who took on Bush.” There’s a lot of brilliant strategy involved here, if you think about it, and as horrible as all Republicans are–complicitous, felonious, duplicitous shit-eaters, bar none–one of them may just realize that a serious political destiny could be made by a strategic attack on their dying, crippled master.
I don’t know who that would be, but the worse things get the greater the likelihood (yes, it’s marginal) that a Republican wild card will emerge.
Don’t forget, the Republicans have their “consultant-based bullshit” to overcome, too: mark my words, McCain’s move to the right will go down in history as wrong place, wrong time, wrong motive.
OT-ish: NPR Squawk of the Nay Shun with oh-so-middle-of-the-road Neil Conen today – while the NSA scandal roils – had a couple of washed up pols on to yuck it up about humor in politics (with a subtext of civilty). Folksy Alan Simpson and buck-a-yuck Robert Reich*, trading silly banter about how they despise each other’s politics, but darn it, their good buddies and get along just peachy kean.
The subject turned to comedy roasts, and the 800 lb. gorilla in the room didn’t even let out a grunt: nary a mention of Colbert’s Bush roast. Never happened. Move along folks, nothing to see here.
(Now, in fairness, the follow-up segment featured a decent blurb on the NSA situation.)
*former Clinton Sect’y of Labor, actually an astute commentator on economic issues
obsessed (#20):
CNN showed k. harris talking to bush on the tarmac when he landed in florida the other day. a fly on her (ahem) enlargements must’ve heard something like this “mr. president, with your JAR like it is right now, it wouldn’t do for anything to come out about how i “handled” things in ‘00 would it? i didn’t think so. have a great day, sir.”
Everybody should write a nice letter to their cell phone company, telling them that you think giving your info to the NSA is a violation of the contract. Make them have to write millions of response letters. Also, ask them point blank if any of your data was turned over. Demand a yes or no.
I think we need some kind of huge protest. A million people throwing phones over the fence at the White House, perhaps. How big a pile would a million phones make?
Go to a thrift store and buy some ratty-ass used phone for a dollar. Write “HOLD HEARINGS” on it with a sharpie. Mail it to Arlen Spector. How many shoeboxes full of dirty old used phones would it take to gum up the congressional mail room. Write “IMPEACH” on it and mail it to the White House.
a good friend always reminds me – “be very afraid when their backs are to the wall.” not afraid as in cowering or wavering; afraid as in “these crazy bastards might do something even stupider still.”
the raw story up tonight regarding carriers to iran and a june strike is chilling. ms. nix requests notions. here’s one – if we need to mobilize mass protest to try and halt the madness of a “pre-emptive” strike on iran we must couple it with a national strike. this is something that has never happened in the USA – a nation-wide general strike. yet it is this very element that is the hallmark of every populist, social revolution in modern history – velvet rev, cedar rev, hell, the french used it just a few months ago. hit the profiteers where they feel it.
al-Scooter 85:
nice call. i’m sick and tired of people jocking this guy for “edgy” stuff like wearing an orange vest. he’s weak.
Jane, re 86, sorry to tease, but I got a nix on that for now. Maybe someday.
I’m so thankful FDL and other blogs out there. I really don’t know what I would do if I didn’t see the insight and thoughts of like minded people, and encouragement for all to take action.
Kinda ironic that the internet arrived in time to keep the true patriots of the day front and center, to encourage citizens to own their goverment and demand that our rights be preserved, our voices heard, and truth and integrity be restored as a true America value.
cleter 95 – good plan re contacting phone cos. I’m locked into Verizon with long-term contracts (somewhat less so with AT&T), so I can’t afford the cancellation fees. But holding their feet to the fire – good call.
So if there is an indictment tomorrow, it will be a matter of public record immediately- right? Don’t think that Fitz can delay it. We’ll all know.
#90 Redshift – I think that this is TIA, and that we just don’t know about the other parts of it.
TIA had two parts: data collection and software to process the data. We now know that they were doing the data collection part. How long until we find out that they were processing the data?
When asked how TIA would function, the spokesman for the DOD had this to say:
http://www.dod.gov/news/Nov200…..20asd.html
punaise @100
Seems to me if Verizon (or AT&T or Bell South or whoever) broke their privacy contract with you, you could break your contract with them.
Kirk Murphy (91). I hope you are not suggesting “awaiting moderation†is a diagnostic tool. If so, I might need some of those samples.
This was a great post and I can’t wait to receive the Greenwald book.
Fading out. And now I must do some putzing around. although insomnia might strike.
pukebot (#77)
Dana Milbank is the sine qua non of pompous ass.
Jennifer Nix – thanks for helping get our man’s book out. Seems like topical timing for release/publication. Thanks also for the chap. 6 preview (mine dl’d no problem)
Good night FDLers. Hoping for a bright Fitzmas morn.
Captain – yes, several people have noticed that. In the Tom Delay post comments, Advice Librarian linked to a good technical discussion:
link here
For a long time I thought that protests were ineffective and kinda hippy-drippy. But I have begun to think that they could be a very useful tool today, so long as they are targeted at the media filter itself.
BushCo has waged first and foremost a war of information. But the only other entity fighting that war is Osama bin Laden. Both do so through competing campaigns of misinformation. Yet we on the left are fighting the last war, with the same old weapons.
To fight on the terms of an information war, we have to target the tools of misinformation that BushCo has used to decieve and obfuscate. We are where we are because of the witting and un witting help of the media. So we have to go after the media filter itself.
Case in point: I live in Los Angeles. A major media market, and yet I didn’t see one second of footage from the NY protests. Not one. But if the 500,000 or so protesters had had a different strategy and a different target, I might have.
What if, say 50,000 or 10,000 or even just 1,000 protesters blocked all access to the NBC offices in Manhattan for one day. Don’t want to get arrested? Ok, what if 1,000 protesters lined the streets to the entrance of Rockfeller Center for a day.
Then the next day another 50,000/10,000/1,000 protesters did it again, and so on. For ten days those protesters either 1) make it impossible for NBC anchors and producers and accountants to get into their offices or 2) in the non-arrest version, just make them wade through a wall of signs pointing to their complicity in the Bush Administrations campaign of misinformation. Do you think that would get reported? I find it hard to believe it would not.
The idea is to create an approach with a viral component, one that could easily spread. CNN in Atlanta could soon have the same protest tactics applied, as could CBS. FOX, ABC, and (at the grassroots level) your local station. As implied above, 50,000 or 10,000 or 1,000 or even just a couple hundred protesters could get the job done in a highly targeted way, even in the biggest cities. In fact, a couple of hundred protesters out on the street outside my old place of work, Paramount Pictures, might even be overkill. But unlike the mass protest in NY, it sure would get covered in my hometown.
The goal would be to hold the corporate media accountable for their role in the lies that got us to where we are. And if the media doesn’t change, then we target their advertisers with the same tactics. Again, a relatively small number or protesters could have a much larger impact, because the target is much more susceptible to disruption than BushCo.
These NSA revelations are proof positive that it’s time to fight the war we are in folks, using the tactics of those we are fighting. We’ve been lied to, manipulated, ignored and dismissed. And the other side has been very effective. Time to change tactics and attack them where they are weak, by going after the very filter through which they lie, manipulate, ignore and dismiss.
cleter –
I like the way you think! :-)
I’ve got two fun telephone calls to make tomorrow. One to AT&T who (at the moment) has their name on the long distance portion of our telephone bill; and another phone call to Qwest, who is our local land line provider — we need to call them in any regard, to give some sort of “key” permission to allow them to change our long distance provider.
Y’all know the tenor of each call will be quite different! I’m going to have fun with it. May as well have fun while you “fight the powers that be.” We want to be another drop in that tidal wave of customers switching providers this week.
Our cell phone is by “Working Assets.” We did NOT know that they funded Glenn Greenwald! We already loved Working Assets, and now we love them more. [As soon as Working Assets gets out of their contractual obligation with MBNA — which should happen soon, I think — we’ll be switching to them for our credit card.] Thank you, Pach, for that info (and for the great and rousing post here tonight)!
“How Would a Patriot ACT?” Indeed!!!
Let’s Just Stand The F’UP Already !
A-F’ING-MEN JENNIFER NIX BRAVO !!
Jane Hamsher, you fucking rock ! We all love it here, we all know how great we have it here, but do we ? My God, this is the post to read tonight of all nights – and Jane went out and got it – fucking A!
After the last 5 years, I wasn’t sure what I was seeing and feeling lately wasn’t some slow onset mania, but thank god no and Jennifer’s post is exactly it –
the blogisphere is on fire tonight, I don’t know how to desribe it better for ya, take a quick tour and it will be evident immediately
An already dramatic day included my chewing the ass of a powerful Senator’s Chief of Staff – even got to throw in how his boss is a traitorous shill – thank you Pacha, Rayne, Siun, Reshift, Wilson and others for so expertly getting me there.
This is definitely a For Tomorrow We Ride moment – just before I got back on line, I was outside enjoying a gorgeous Texas moon and using the moment to honor all those who sacrificed before us with a promise to never lay it down, these traitors have to be stopped and clearly can be stopped and came in to find Jennifer’s call to arms
and OMFG! – 29% – this one’s for you rwcole wherever you are !
Yikes! What DOES it mean that “your comment is awaiting moderation”?
What’d I do?!?
Do I have to do anything? Or just wait for the computer gods to have mercy on my poor soul?
Those of us who don’t live in Qwest’s service area ought to start thinking about throw-away cell phones. Lots of luck tracing those. (Or maybe they can do that now. Hmmm. Any techies out there who know?)
One other thought — how about using (gasp!) the Wall Street Rule? I know thinking about the stock market sounds awfully un-progressive, but all of the telecoms are publicly traded companies. Show Qwest some love and buy its stock, if you’re fortunate enough to be a member of the investing class. Sell AT&T, etc. Or don’t sell and start using the shareholder proposal process to remind them who owns them. Cingular is advertising on Daily Kos that it is the only unionized company. (Bet that ad goes down soon!) So enlist their union and its pension fund in this fight. Enlist public employee pension funds. University endowments. Corporate democracy isn’t real democracy, but it isn’t chopped liver, either.
rwcole @ 101– Dru mentioned in the last thread that:
When and if the GJ does vote a true bill, the indictment can be sealed until the prosecutor decides to serve it up.
wiki has more on indictment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment
scroll down to the sealed section.
kirk murphy @88~
Sound like you’ve more than made sacrifices for your country and for our very world. And you don’t sound preachy at all…
Thank you for the work and the time, and the energy you’ve spent.
I wouldn’t mind a party of 100,000 or so of my closest friends to save the Constitution.In fact the last party of 100,000 I attended was in NYC and I’m up for another.
And you’re right, we might even save a party.
angie says:
May 11th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
rwcole @ 101– Dru mentioned in the last thread that:
When and if the GJ does vote a true bill, the indictment can be sealed until the prosecutor decides to serve it up.
wiki has more on indictment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment
scroll down to the sealed section.
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You know, I seem to recall some sort of weird “motion” when the grand jury first indicted Libby. Is it possible that Fitz got a whole bunch of indictments that day and then sealed everything but the Libby indictment? How long can indictments stay under seal?
ccobb(#107):
it’s important to start it on the right day of the week for a good buildup (viral effect). i’m guessing that a wednesday would be best. people who’re free, start then. more on thursday. friday afternoon the big numbers are available. epidemic growth on saturday and sunday.
how soon the universities get finished with exams is also important.
spread the word.
Thank you for your inspiration kirk murphy ;)
you seem a gentle and powerful force for good.
I do not know Frank Probst; just guessing here cause IANAL, but there may be no time limit in view of the fact that he convened another GJ and said he was not finished. Could the charges carry over til he had more investigative time for some other things? My guess is probably so.
Go egregious! and congrats on the evening’s accomplishments, thanks for bringing it back here to help others dip that toe !
kirk murphy and chisolm – you kids come stay at the lake any ol time
ccobb 107-
brilliant. you f’ing rock!
i’m just a techie grunt – folks with great ideas like yours make the message.
hoping to see lots of viral actions
(NSA – not that sort of viral)
punaise @100~
My son ended his contract with one of the phone companies because they had not provided him with the kind of service they had (verbally) promised. There was no penalty and he switched to another company.
I’m with Cingular and am planning to switch to T-Mobile this weekend because of this wiretap thing.
I’ll lose all my roll-over minutes, but I’ll hang onto my integrity.
I agree that your company broke your contract.
Chisolm @ 92
make a name for him or herself as “the Republican who took on Bush.â€
But what would be really scary is if that Republican was another Bush.
“Just when you thought it was safe to enter the election booth (dunh dunh dunhhhhh) JEB They thought he was the smart Bush. (dunh) JEB They thought he could clean up after his older brother just like he’d done his entire life. (dunh) JEB He’s got the White House now AND IT’S PAYBACK TIME! (shrieking violins)”
Which got me thinking. If I write up a treatment can you give me your email so I can send it to you in the morning?
;o)
The Voice of a Brave, Uncompromising Democrat (From Wisconsin):
This Administration’s arrogance and abuse of power should concern all Americans. That the government may be secretly collecting, and using data mining to analyze, the phone records of millions of law-abiding Americans, as reported in the press today, is a frightening prospect.
The Voice of Compromise (emanating from Connecticut):
I do believe our government should have the power to tap phone conversations and e-mails between people who may have something to do with al Qaeda, but I also believe our government should have to at least go through one level of clearance, such as the FISA court, to obtain a warrant either before it engages in such surveillance or shortly thereafter.
…
Please be assured that I will continue my commitment to maintaining the balance between the crucial need for tools to fight the war on terror and the equally important need to protect our constitutional liberties.
29%..?
‘How low can you go?’
;>)
At what point do we say that we can see the whites of their eyes?
fahrender 105:
Dana Milbank is the sine qua non of pompous ass.
yet he gets more airtime than seinfeld.
You know what’s amazing? We’ve found out today that the government quite possibly has its hands on all of our calling records and who knows what else, and yet there is this real sense of jubilation around here tonight. We’re not cowering, terrified of what The Man might do to us next. We’re freaking celebrating that we’ve almost managed to wrest back the steering wheel from the stinkin’ asshole frat boy that’s done everything he can to drive our great nation into the ditch.
And that’s the big difference between us and the bed-pissers on the right. I love you guys.
Group hug! Awwwwww…
VIVE LE RÉSISTANCE!!
on RawStory~
a headline saying “US:Americans Consent to Taps”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0512.html
I still say that if the wiretaps were not approved by FISA, the invasion of my privacty is illegal.
cbl 110 -
you go! great work with the Senator’s COS – i’d be proud to hand with you anywhere!
leslie 114 -
thanks…how embarassing
i’m glad you were out to play in New York – it was good fun.
hmmm – wonder where we and 100,000 of our friends should hang out this September….
angie 117 -
i fear i have sadly misled you, but thank you for your kind and generous perspective :)
I’m going to take a look at those telco agreements.
re Bush at 29% (a Tom Petty ditty):
And I’m free, free fallin’
Yeah I’m free, free fallin’
All the vampires walkin’ through the valley
Move west down ventura boulevard
And all the bad boys are standing in the shadows
A ll the good girls are home with broken hearts
And I’m free, free fallin’
Yeah I’m free, free fallin’
Free fallin’, now I’m free fallin’, now i’m
Free fallin’, now I’m free fallin’, now i’m…
hang, not “hand”
jeebers
Hey TRex–
Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won’t back down
Gonna stand my ground, won’t be turned around
And I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won’t back down
Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down.
Well I know what’s right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin’ me around
But I’ll stand my ground and I won’t back down
Hey baby there ain’t no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down
No, I won’t back down
uh oh punaise– tres weird. ;>)
POTUS (Piece of Totally Useless Shit) at 29% and sinking like a rock!
Hey, Chimpy, think fast!
{throws anvil}
Please feel free to share this letter with your friends and family. Cut and paste and E-mail away. Thanks.
A 21 point salute.
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Your Congress needs to hear from you.
Let them know how you feel their job performance is.
http://www.senate.gov/general/…..rs_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/
They have many issues on their plate that include:
~2007 Budget, er… that passed but the wrong bill was signed into law by the president contrary to the law that states that the president must sign the bill, as agreed by both houses. He actually knowingly signed the wrong bill. Maybe you can tell Congress to have him sign the right one before fiscal year ‘07 begins.
~Debt ceiling is headed toward 10 Trillion dollars thanks to the recently agreed upon expenditure bill that includes tax rebates for people that make 27K-47K of a whopping $20. But if you make the top 1% income you get over 40K back. But for most of us, maybe we can write Congress and tell them thanks for the $20 and how it will fill, er…
~Gas prices are a sign of something askew with big oil. Maybe Congress can tell us what the energy commission meet about in private with Cheney back in 2001 and if there is any correlation to todays high gas prices and big oil profits. But then, maybe you could contact Frist…
~And let Congress know what you could do with a $100 rebate and how many tanks you’ll get out of their hand out to bring the nation to a placid security in their hush-money hand out to quell unrest. Oh, yea. That got shot down. But maybe you can let them know how that thinking makes you feel.
~Or maybe you can let Congress know how you feel about the man tapped (pun intended) to head up the CIA. The nations Civilian Intelligence Agency. A military man to head a civilian run agency, thus securing a full military regiment at all intelligence agencies.
~Or maybe you can let Congress know how you feel about bribery and prostitutes. And no, Abramoff it is not. Again, think CIA.
~Or maybe you can voice your concern at the continued death rate of new born infants. The second worse in First World Nations. And maybe remind Congress that infant mortality rates are a red light to the overall health of a Nation.
~And speaking of health of a Nation, let them know how prescription drug policy works for your family, or has it?
~Or maybe they need to be reminded that Port Security at 100% compliance will ensure 100% effective control of shipping materials.
~And maybe Border control is important, both Northern and Southern. However, remind Congress that for the last year tracked (2004), the Federal Government only finned three(3) companies Nation wide for employment violations due to immigrations. That maybe the enforcement of current Federal Statutes, or the lacking of, is what is enabling the proliferation of unlawful immigrants into this country.
~Oh, have we talked about the war in Iraq yet? Do we need to? Maybe they need to know how you feel about the first week and a half of May and the 24 American soldiers that died. Totaling over 2,428 US casualties and over 39,296 Iraqi civilians killed and let them know what you think of the 1000+ Iraqi bodies found slain in back allies this past month. Is it civil war yet?
~Or maybe you can tell Congress how you fell about nuclearized weaponry that is being used against the people in Afghanistan and Iraq.
~Or you may want to inquire what Congress intends to do to round up Osama bin Laden?
~And why the Taliban is on the rise again?
~Or inquire from Congress what does “Victory” in Iraq and Afghanistan look like and how can we achieve it through a defined stratigic mission so that we may “Stay on Course” toward this “Victorious Mission Accomplished”
~And maybe tell Congress how you feel about America’s undiplomatic international policy that has us on the brink of war with Iran for following the Non Proliferation Treaty Act that they signed.
~Or maybe let Congress know how you feel about allowing Pakistan and India acquire Nuclear weapons without forcing them to sign on to and follow the very same Non Proliferation Treaty Act.
~Or maybe you can let Congress know how you feel about the use of the NSA to tap your phone and trace your E-mails and track your phone numbers. All done without warrants and all done domestically, even though the president assured that warrants would be acquired, that the taps were ONLY international, and targeted at only those involved at terrorism, but unfortunately, none has been the case to be accurate at all.
~Or maybe you can let Congress know how you feel about extraordinary renditions and torture or the detention of prisoners without proper representations and held indefinitely.
~And Congress needs to know what you feel about leaks from the White House, and the selective declassification standards that aren’t adhered to in preference to discrediting a political opponent that had proof that Iraq was not acquiring “Yellow-Cake” Uranium.
~Or maybe let Congress know what you feel they should do to account for their disconnect to the Niger “Yellow-Cake” Uranium claim in the 2003 SOTU Address and actual findings by the president and his knowledge of said findings prior to his speech to the Nation.
Their platter only holds so much.
And dang-nab-bit, stuff is begining to hit the proverbial fan.
Help your Congress serve this mess up by informing them of how it affects you.
I have a question:
Is it possible that America could ever become the great satan?
If so, I don’t think George W. Bush is it.
I do want to ask about the “awaiting moderation” message that seems to be more present tonight, I got one, too, earlier.
What does it mean, really?
If I really thought that, they would have me arrested.
Max-1–
Awesome and thank you! I will take the liberty of partaking. Nice 21 gun salute to our Republic.
O (96) Stop my pounding heart! National Strike it is! Sooner than later. How about Memorial Day, May 29, 2006?
angie 131 – White Stripes?
buenos nachos a todos
may the dawn be Fitztacular….
Josh Marshall has a string of good late-nite posts:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
# 126 Thesaurus Rex says:
May 11th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
‘You know what’s amazing? We’ve found out today that the government quite possibly has its hands on all of our calling records …“
someone pointed out earlier today, i think it’s worth repeating : if what the nsa has is the largest database in the world —- it is most certainly not just calling records . . . just calling records would not be anywhere near the largest database. but calling records and digital backups of calls now that would be a big fucking database.
what happened to our country??
How do we know that T-Mobile and the rest aren’t cooperating with King George? All we know for sure is that Cingular and Verizon are, and are henceforth radioactive. I’ll dump Cingular, but only if the new cell phone guys are actually good guys. I have my doubts.
One point of pressure would be your state treasurer – call or write and ask if the state pension funds have any holdings in the telcos and let them know that since these telcos face massive class action suits due to their illegal actions, you are very upset that the portion of your tax dollars invested on behalf of state pensions are being placed in such risky investments. Do the same if you belong to a major university community, or are a teacher covered by TIA CREFF or Calpers for example. Start the pressure to pull the institutional investors out in protest (and sound market forecasting!) The big investors get big notice – and they are usually big because they invest on behalf of so many people. Same thing if you are in a mutual fund – check the holdings and question why they are risking your money. We’re just past annual meeting and proxy season so it’s too late for shareholder resolutions but a wave of financial protests can have a big impact. (I personally have none of these but have friends and colleagues in the socially responsible investment world and they have been having an impact … talking the language of the beast can be very useful)
I’m all for a mass gathering as well and Kirk’s comments are wonderful – just no ANSWER style million speaker events please – let’s do something more creative and energized.
and in the meantime, we’ll keep rolling with the roots state projects and ykos.
PS. What’s with this idiotic race to post Fitz! as the first comment? It has almost as much class as a Free Republic thread.
Is anybody stil up? Hellooo!
And a follow-up strike for July?
the fourth is on tuesday….
monday the third or friday the first seem promising…
punaise @ 140 — Tom Petty
The big change that is happening, is that Bigfoot Media is finally realizing that Bush is not a nice guy, is not on their side, and not worthy of their respect. Now, they are finally catching up with the majority of Americans, who have seen through Bush’s crap for a while.
As long as they provided the Gardol Shield, Bush’s JAR stayed near 40%. With BigBrotherGate, or whatever we are calling the latest scandal, they have abandoned him. Mid 20’s by the end of the month, with the teens not far behind.
ccobb #108
Now ya talkin’
Brilliant.
Maybe something for the State Action groups, Pach?!
Jeralyn has May 5 Libby transcripts up
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014816.html
siun~
I don’t know about T-Mobile not giving up the data. I do know that they contributed to the Democrats in the last election rather than the republicans. So for that reason alone, I’d be willing to sign up with them.
By the way, nice work on the roots project. hope you are well.
Must get to bed. I’ve got work in a few hours..
2432=current US casualties in Iraq.
PS. What’s with this idiotic race to post Fitz! as the first comment? It has almost as much class as a Free Republic thread.
Well, there’s a very complicated reason for that, Stuart.
We do it because it’s fun and it makes us happy.
Sort of off topic. I am reading the Iranian president’s letter to the preznit and it’s a bombshell, to my mind, since it’s written to Bush. It’s very interesting and not entirely illogical or as unengaging as Condoleeza Rice says. I think a history buff like Clinton would’ve had a field day with it.It has passages like: You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievements being utilized for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed.
In fact, the only part I don’t like is the tendancy toward Israel-bashing and that he calls Bush “your Excellency.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051106A.shtml
siun -
Bless you – I hope I never hear another ANSWER amplifier.
I’m looking forward to celebratory events – free of the tired old speaker sardines packed in a tin.
Thanks for your kind observations.
Ugh. I just heard the clock at city hall strike two through my bedroom window. And it’s starting to rain a little, I think.
Bedtime!
Good night, patriots! May god bless you all.
Merry Fitzmas!
The number-one plank of the Democrats’ platform ought to be the impeachment of George W. Bush for violation of the 1996 War Crimes Act (”… if the victim dies, [the violator] shall … be subject to the penalty of death”).
Most discussions about possible NSA programs have talked about PETAbytes (PB) of storage.
For reference – 1 PETAbyte = 1000 TERAbytes, 1 Terabyte = 1000 GIGAbytes. Ten Terabytes could store the entire printed collection of the Library of Congress, so 1 Petabyte would hold that amount 100 times over. Quite a lot of storage.
Thinking about the price – at retail a one terabyte drive is about $600. So lets say $1M for a petabyte, with all of the necessary connections. For the $2Bn that Hayden has supposedly pissed away for nothing at NSA, he could have a two thousand petabyte system!
Which means that the story about NSA only requesting records and and e-mail headers is complete nonsense – they must be storing the voice data and email contents too.
Maybe what they meant to say was that they have only looked at the records / headers, while heroically resisting the temptation to take a peek at the real data. (Yeah, I know…)
It would seem like a bit of a waste though, since the Navis sytems the NSA has installed are especially designed to analyze such material.
What’s up with Fitz first? If I may take the liberty of reposting an explanation posted by Fitz-tacular commenter Dru..
Don’t know why it bothers some people so much.
Condoleeza Rice is a C***. This Iranian president is clearly trying to engage in some dialogue. O.K. There are cultural differences, but that is what diplomacy is for. At least it gives ammunition when I write to “my senators†next.
This is what I sent to Verizon. Feel free to cut and paste it.
I would like a hard copy of the VERIZON privacy policy sent to me via US Postal Services to my address:
(snail mail address deleted)
Additionally, please provide a written statement confirming or denying that VERIZON is providing my private information, including my cellular phone number and telephone usage information, both internal and external, to any federal or state agency without a warrant, court order or subpoena as required by the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
If VERIZON has chosen to violate my privacy, I would like to be provided a written statement including the dates of disclosure, what was disclosed, and to whom.
If VERIZON has not illegally disclosed said information, as was reported in today’s USA Today, please include what affirmative steps VERIZON has taken to protect my privacy.
I have been a VERIZON customer for several years and was a satisfied customer until today. After reading the article and many others which included the refusal of QWEST to turn over information illegally, I am very concerned about my cellular phone records being in VERIZON’s hands. Especially since this follows media reports where cellular phone records were SOLD to anyone willing to pay for them on various Internet sites, a practice that required legislative intervention to stop.
What is VERIZON’s policy regarding my privacy? What is VERIZON’s policy regarding the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution and my cellular phone records? What is VERIZON’s policy regarding the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution and my cellular phone use? How much of my payment goes toward violating the Constitution?
If I do not receive said information, I WILL close my VERIZON account and contract with another provider, one who WILL protect my information.
Suzanne
They don’t hold up their end of the bargin, I cancel em. Sent the same email to ATT (with appropriate name changes). Am awaiting responses. Hope this doesn’t trigger the sensitive troll filter that puts me into moderation (fingers and toes crossed)
Sorry I used the perjorative word for female anatomy to describe Condi, but really.
God, I love it when the blogosphere is jumpin’!!! And of course, why not? Waking up to the news that 2/3 of the country’s tele companies are divulging privacy material without a warrant….indeed!!! A few things came to mind while hearing this: If a person’s contract with any of these violators is basically over and the service is month-to-month, then switch to a non-violating company. T-Mobile (my service) comes to mind, but there are others, as well. If enough of the customer base is offended to the point of seeking services elsewhere, the stock will tank, and there could very well be a downward spiral effect for the violating companies. Too bad, so sad. By the way, if you are a stockholder in any of these, sell now. Also, check your employer’s 401k investments, and any mutual funds you may have. If any of these are involving tele-industries funds, dump them. Make another choice. Money talks, bullshit walks. Overrall message to the privacy violators: “You tele-companies want to hand over privacy material?: Then, fuck you and your ROI ratios.”
re; Glen Greenwald: I have long admired Glen’s ability to frame an argument and his treatment of facts and truth. Without having read the .pdf file, I have pre-ordered 10 copies of the book: “How Would a Patriot Act”. The intent is to pass them out to friends, and encourage a broadening readership until there are at least a handful of copies being read on every commuter bus and train in America. I can’t think of a more public display of citizen direction. And as the Presnit’s JAR continues to drop, believe me, harrassment over reading material is not going to be an issue. If you can afford it, please order multiple copies and give them to those whom you know would devour and appreciate the content.
Gosh, this sounds so serious. Well….I mean it, damn it. If you had told me ten years ago that a double-digit IQ would be president, and we would be dangerously close to becoming a fascist state, and dangerously close to initiating WWIII or WWIV (take your pick)I would have given you a snotty rebuke. Today? Christ. It’s up to us to save our beloved country. Let’s Roll People. How ever you decide to do it, if we all act — They can’t block every direction forever.
Dear Barbara,
Impeachment Now – before our fleet gets any closer to the middle east.
And since I have your attention would you kindly dress down those clowns in our State leadership for being AT&T’s embarrassing little whores at their recent weekend in Pebble Beach. Sleeping with the enemy is most unbecoming to our Party.
Oh, one last thing: we fighting democrats you love so much hope and trust you’ll come home to California and stand tall with your devoted constituents on National Strike Day (TBA).
Yours truly,
Anne
ditto mui @ 159– I am floored by the admin’s total lack of diplomatic engagement/real human involvement anywhere except with our weapons and their big, fat mouths. They have no imagination whatsoever. blech.
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iran
North Korea
Israel/Palestine
North Korea
China
Russia
Syria
etc.
Dear Joey Holy guy,
Oh never mind . . .
mui 161, If the thong fits …
But angie,
The Iranian president’s letter is a scream. Clinton would’ve made the most of it. That’s what gets me.
whoops, I did not mean to cite North Korea twice– I do have some manners.
Uh oh, I must need some of Kirk Murphy’s samples. But really, angie, what would Clinton have done?
Our most admirable historically aware president would’ve enjoyed a little Jesuit style verbal sparring I should think.
I agree with your, well, program as the right thing for _editors_ and assorted media professionals working in situations where it’s possible to make a stink regardless of the reaction. I’m not sure it’s right for everyone. If you want to win the battle, you _need_ cynics and worriers and turtles. However, yes, by all means “legendary editors” and progressive magazine editors need to take chances and freaking publish better books and articles. WTF didn’t all of the progressive magazines write about the NSA phone records/e-mail sweep a couple years ago? The guys on Slashdot _knew_, why don’t Nation editors read Slashdot? Everyone running a big server was approached by FBI/DHS and told we’re going to do something to your lines and machines and you can’t tell. Why doesn’t In These Times talk to sys admins? Why is the Believer more active, more progressive, than In These Times? WTF didn’t someone fund an instant weekly out of fired Voice editors and old Newsday guys? Why isn’t Air America half as progressive as This American Life. You are right, the culture war waged by the card carrying left is about half as active, clear headed, and progressive as, say, the Open Source movement or the American Meteorological Society. Sorting out the left media is a useful _action_ and, yes, we need action. However, there are structural problems that require long term commitments–education, lifestyle, political practice and theory, etc. just to name a few–and these disciplines evolve somewhat differently than journalism and book publishing.
I know you know the whole mess is intertwined but when you phrase it the way you did you unnecessarily limit your agruement. Who cares about old lefty editors compared to, say, Rumsfeld?
cleter (#95):
i like your style, man. that is a great idea. you be one merry prankster…….
Leslie – sorry I missed you! heading to the tmobile store myself and writing verizon – was about to switch but had been putting it off due to the penalty but they break the contract, I will be happy to reciprocate.
mui and angie – nodding here- the nasty dismissal of the letter and the rejection of it before they had even translated … they clearly want another shock&awe and the people of Iran will suffer for it.
I dunno, mui. I think too many of our secretaries of state and our UN ambassadors have been hawks and the fine art of diplomacy has been lost while we occupied the role of one of the only 2 superpowers while we were engaged in the Cold War and after that was over, declared ourselves the world’s greatest superpower. I think it is a case of imperial hubris that has made us so deaf to the sometimes subtle entreaties of others who wanted badly to be recognized for their potential contributions and friendship yet needed to save ‘face’ for their people and their culture. Clinton himself, I think would have reached out. But, like any President, he was surrounded by those who would have warned him off. Not threatening war is considered, I am afraid, wuss-like in our country. Perpetual peace is not so cool– just consider how Kucinich was mocked when he suggested a Department of Peace.
Me, I am all for protecting our country; but I would like to see us projecting the good that America stands for a lot more than we have. Clinton and Carter are doing good work. I think Gore will too as President.
Holy shenanigans,
Things are happening really fast….I was just reading how the US, Iran and Turkey are beginning to mass troops along the borders with Iraq..
Also, the US Giv’t is going to argue that by people signing their cell phone agreements they have consented to this snooping/spying/Orwellian horseshit?
It is starting to FEEL weird.
-GSD
I don’t wish to be a pedantic buzz-kill, but that often-misspelled vernacular spanish word for testicles is “cojones,” not “cajones” – the latter means “big boxes” (as in cardboard, wood, plastic, etc.)
People with cajones are movers or warehouse workers, but that doesn’t tell you anything about their manly resolve.
Sorry for the interruption.
#162 “stand tall with your devoted constituents on National Strike Day”
Maybe that’s how all this ends… when people finally become angry enough with the atrocity-a-day routine we’ve all been putting up with, and the party still refuses to act: a general strike until he quits.
GSD– read that too and it is all WEIRD– aircraft carriers enroute, too. I’m in for a National Strike all– can it start now? I obviously sleep no more anyway, might as well get started!!!
gotta get some sleep folks and find those waffles I need for wesgpc … sheesh one day after bet and W goes into the 20’s.
good night friends and let’s keep organizing!
PS– I forgot to mention our devious and self-serving intervention into so many of these places which must not be forgotten, but that would be a dissertation that will put everyone over the cliff. ;)
Night Siun.
Sleep well, we all need rest. Life under this crowd is tiresome.
-GSD
P.S. Watch for falling Chimps.
T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom, so much more stringent European privacy laws may apply to them. It would be good to find out for sure.
Nice box.
-GSD
You’re right, angie, Clinton had Richard Clarke, Madeleine Albright etc. All of whom seemed pretty hawkish. Carter had that evil genius guy. *sigh* But I think Clinton had an intellectual bent that would’ve tempted him to engage. Possibly.
GSD, what should we citizens do? This is Orwellian.
Full moon and cayotes are in my yard tonight.
The “wounded cayote” must be sedated and caged. h/t Jane. Impearch him at any cost, blood is on our hands.
Cleter @95 I love the idea. Should we all send a million old cel phones to Arlen on the same day?
A call for civil hearings or HELLO! Impeach now.
Specter, Arlen-
711 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4254
your responsible for constitutional crisis. batteries may or may not be included. void where inhibited.
Any lawyers still awake? Here’s the Fitz/Libby May 5 transcript via TalkLeft
Angie 172 – Can’t sleep either. I propose strike date 5/29 which is Memorial Day and wouldn’t hurt the Mom & Pop stores here, there & everywhere in our beleagured nation.
I say put em all in cajones and lock em up and throw away the key.
Nite siun!
http://action.aclu.org/dontspy
NSA Spying Petition – Please be sure to forward it on after signing.
Mui,
I think that events are about to be moving beyond anyones control….
-GSD
Revolt, revolt, we must revolt.
There is no time for an impeachment process, my droogies. The Bush Administration wants war. They will attack Iran, possibly on 06-06-2006. They’re crazy, but far from incompetent. They’re profiteering religio-psychopaths, and it’s in their economic, political, and psychological interests to attack Iran to engineer Armageddon. If energy becomes more expensive as a result, they gain more money and power. If they provoke a wider war, which attacking Iran will do, the Constitution will be suspended for the duration. They’ll gain money and power. Connected corporations will make more money by losing a war than winning it. Elections won’t mean shit. Religious culthood will ascend.
People grant power to governments. Nothing will change until us people stop working, break contracts, set briefcases under tables and buildings aflame. We’re going to have to put it on the line. Soon. We’ve been corrupted by comfort, but I hope we can snap out of it. Cold water. Pinching the skin on the inside your elbow. Electric current. Hello. As Jennifer says, it’s time to stand the fuck up.
I am very upset. In spite of a fundie government, Iran is very ancient beautiful country. Invasion would be like bull going into a China shop. I can’t stand it.
angie #172:
Me, I am all for protecting our country; but I would like to see us projecting the good that America stands for a lot more than we have.
Building up goodwill abroad and actually acting according to the principles we claim to have and demand others follow is not only morally good, it’s also a better way of protecting our country. Not that it will eliminate the need for defense, but it’s a lot cheaper to reduce the number of antagonists by making people like us better than it is to “kill ‘em all.”
A small example — apparently a lot of people in Pakistan send their kids to radical madrassas not because they agree with the ideology, but because it’s the only school they can afford. Imagine how much more effective it would be to divert a small part of the millions we’re spending to secure everything in sight against terrorists and fund scholarships to secular schools in Pakistan, and prevent the creation of many potential terrorists.
Anne Holliday I will surely happily be thrilled to participate and will strong arm any naysayer I know– other than police, firefighters, nurses and docs on call; all elective procedures should be cancelled, though! Cleter– great idea!
cobb 108 – good idea.
The boilerplate in the telecom agreements SNORT! Whatever else, the telecom agreements which might allow or certain actions to “protect persons or properties” in emergencies or exigencies, etc. –
a) The burden would still be on the telecom to prove that waiver condition existed and was achieve — that the program IS actually protecting person and property; and
b) If, since 2001, the telecom has decided there is a permanent state of waiver of customers rights due to need to confiscate to the government the client’s private information – at a certain point it would have to disclose this for the contrat to continue to be enforceable or the privacy provisions are illusory.
c) THere is, also, that little issue of “reasonable notice”, which would be a necessary follow up item unless the individual were themselves a criminal target. Overshadowing all of this – a little thing in commercial law, esp commercial law with respect to consumers, referred to as the duty of good faith. Implied into most commercial contracts.
d) If, since 2001, the telecoms have taken a position with respect to all their customers that Federal privacy protections will henceforth cease as to all those customers for years, and years, then you are not talking about interpretation of “a” waiver clause in “a” contract based on “a” set of circumstances – you are talking about giving a telecom the ability, acting with the President, to unilaterally, and privately, without consent of Congress or notice to the client, rewrite legislation. Interesting concept. In a – watch what happens when you put salt on a slug – kind of interest.
The Time has Come.
Yikes – forgot to explain’ my post #62 is a copy of my earlier email to Senator Barbara Boxer.
I’ll get the hang of this computer stuff yet – what was that thing Jane Fonda called my malady – - got it – the third act.
And so to bed. G’nite intrepid friends.
Redshift 191–
After the horrific earthquake in Pakistan, a group of EMTs from here went independently into the mountains where all ‘fear to tread’ and ministered to the sick and wounded and dying. THAT is winning. There are wonderful stories like this, but really none I can remember really spearheaded by this particular maladministration that did not come with crazy strings attached. ie– no aids funding if’n you don’t teach abstinence in Africa or other desperately poor regions of the world where survival may just mean having a child who might grow up to be old and strong enough to work in the barren fields. ;(
http://www.viiphoto.com/detail…..ews_id=480
obsessed — I’m about half way through. What a slog. You almost feel sorry for poor Wells, he’s got nothing and he’s pulling teeth….
Guess who is going to start to throw their weight around?
China tells US to stop selling weapons to Taiwan.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl…..536707.htm
-GSD
Angie,198 there is some tragedy and irony in that. During Katrina, a friend reported that the Taiwanese sent an emergency crew to help the victims because the T* were so appalled like the rest of the world by what they were seeing and hearing. The Taiwanese rescue crews were crack teams that do fantastic work during Taiwan’s multitude of earthquakes and typhoon-related disasters. Mortality was in the single digits during their last horrendous earthquake. I experienced one of the T*’s “mild†ones and it wasn’t fun. I was shook up for days. The Tawianese crack teams reported that they were turned away by I think it was the National Guard. Same story happened apparently with other countries and food as well. What this administration is doing to us and the rest of the world, I can’t even fathom the scope without getting a major hurt in my head.
I have been blessed to have known other cultures in my life– I need to know more, many more.
Just think what we, as a nation, could be if we truly committed ourselves to getting to know the rest of the world. If, for instance, we had a full- blown modern day Peace Corps where it was valued. I mean to say, citizens of all ages committing to spend real time 2 mos, 6 mos, a year with other people around the world and learning from them and showing them the goodness and care we are capable of. Heck, even doing it here on our own soil!
Time for bed…
I got thru a third of the transcript; will do more in the a.m. You’re tenacious, Jane et al, thank you so!
GSD (200), that is the kind of consequence of BushCo’s humiliation of the president of China a friend of mine was warning of.
I have faith that T* can negotiate with China though.
mui– I believe we turned away Cuba and Venezuela too. Every opportunity for positive change has been scorned by these blowhards, even when they failed those poor people so miserably. Imperial hubris strikes yet again…
This has to be a citizen-led movement
Good God yes.
G’night patriots. Another day, another way, I guess.
da-yum, I just had to go poking around and found this:
>>>>>>
One government lawyer who has participated in negotiations with telecommunications providers said the Bush administration has argued that a company can turn over its entire database of customer records — and even the stored content of calls and e-mails — because customers “have consented to that” when they establish accounts. The fine print of many telephone and Internet service contracts includes catchall provisions, the lawyer said, authorizing the company to disclose such records to protect public safety or national security, or in compliance with a lawful government request.
“It is within their terms of service because you have consented to that,” the lawyer said. If the company also consents, “and they do it voluntarily, the U.S. government can accept it.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..39_pf.html
angie
My take on that WaPoo article re NSA is the teleco’s say the fine print says they have to comply with a lawful request. My take is if it is not a lawful request, if it violates FISA and/or the 4th amendment, it is not lawful and therefore, should be handled like QWest. There have not been any extigent circumstances that justify the data mining of millions of Americans’ telephone and/or internet communications.
Of course, IANAL and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night so take it as just my two cents worth.
isn’t a strike on a holiday kind of dilute? how about a work day before or after, e.g. friday 7/1 sounds good.
Part 1 (since multiple links get things held and this will be long, I am going to break it up some)
So let’s see if I can get this straight. In 2002 Hayden goes before the joint investigation and gives his spiel on NSA (under oath? don’t know) and explains that if Usama came into the US he would be suddenly free as a bird from any surveillance and further says, “hey, maybe the Country should re-think that 4th amendment thing and ‘move the line’ on security and civil liberties†but doesn’t mention how or why and in particular doesn’t mention “ah, never mind, why do you need a country to re-think when you have a King like George and a couple of faithful dogs Trey like, uh, me and Gonzales. Hayden dissmbles and fibs to Congress and covers up and omits and misleads as to the existence of what is later the “program which the President has acknowledged†(aka warrantless, felonious, illegal and unConstitutional unsupervised domestic surveillance “Program 1â€).
In addition, we now also know that Hayen covered up, dissembled and omitted with respect to the newer, data mining dragneting “program which the President has not exactly ackonwleged but is really pissed about having to respond to†( aka, warrantless, felonious, illegal and possibly unconstitutional pen traps installation violations and possible stored records violations, “Program 2â€). We also know that Hayden and Gonzales contradicted each other about why there didn’t get warrants for Program 1, even after half a decade of operation – Hayden indicating all kinds of mysterious classified reasons, Gonzales overwhelmed that sometimes the paperwork is TWO INCHES thick and gosh, that would be hard work to have to do it very much (and I guess we have so many domestic al-Qaeda sympathizers he was worried he would have to do it LOTS).
In addition, the disclosures as to Program 2 have revealed that both Hayden and Gonzales parsed and misled and pretty much fibbed during the discussions of how “the program which the President has acknowledged†Program 1, did not include ANY solely domestic calls. Now we find out that “oh yeah, there’s another program†which involves keeping a registration of all calls for millions and millions of Americans. Of course, THIS program of which the President is not exactly acknowledging, Program 2, is sworn to only include limited external information. That appears, based on the developing standard practice, to be bc they are carefully considering all the datamining (which Hayden said was NOT BEING DONE) as perhaps Program 3, with Programs 4 – 27 ½ yet to be leaked?
The President has a half decade long history of covert, covered up, illegal domestic spying programs that violate law and expose NSA staffers to possible felony charges. The first program gets revealed in December (and become the ‘program the President has acknowleged’) After swearing on a stack of King George versions of the Bible that the program is only “targeting al-Qaeda†the President and AG then have apopoplexy at the thought that warrants should be obtained and the program should be brought within judicial review through the secret FISA court. I believe that, in keeping with the depth of legal analysis express in the earlier torture and enemy combatant memos, the Gonzales legal support for the President was “he’s not gonna and a Republican Congress being bought off won’t make him†which had the air of certitude if not correctness.
In February 2006, the “Palace Revolt†article hits. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11…../newsweek/
It references a program going to Comey (as acting AG) for renewal – written as if it is an existing program, which Comey refuses to sign off on, and which Gonzales and Card then try to get Ashcroft to sign off on.
The eavesdropping program was very closely held, with cryptic briefings for only a few congressional leaders.. . ..
There was one catch: the secret program had to be reapproved by the attorney general every 45 days. It was Goldsmith’s job to advise the A.G. on the legality of the program. In March 2004, John Ashcroft was in the hospital with a serious pancreatic condition. At Justice, Comey, Ashcroft’s No. 2, was acting as attorney general
The article says that the NSA was being tasked with doing more “after 9/11†and pretty much indicates that in March 2004, the program was already in place and was being reapproved every 45 days. Here’s what I don’t get – on Countdown with KO tonight, that is not what Turley said.
Turley talks about this telecom situation and that the telecoms, well, mostly Qwest, had pushed for a FISA order, which NSA and its OVP and Justice cohorts turned down bc they didn’t think the court would give it. Then Turley says they ask for a “letter of authorization†(more later) from the AG, which Turley says Comey refused to provide and that this is what Ashcroft was asked to provide as well while he was in the hospital and would not.
So – was it Program 2 or Program 1 or a combo or other Programs that went to Comey and later to Ashcroft in the hospital? Had the program(s) been ongoing, and if so, who authorized until then? Had Ashcroft played along until Comey learned about the Program(s) and then when Comey and Goldsmith refused to go along, it made Ashcroft to re-think his previous acquiescence? By March 2004, both programs had supposedly been in existence for over two years. In any event, the Newsweek article reveals that whatever the initial stands, the Program(s) went on basically unimpeded.
A compromise was finally worked out. The NSA was not compelled to go to the secret FISA court to get warrants, but Justice imposed tougher legal standards before permitting eavesdropping on communications into the United States. It was a victory for the Justice lawyers, and it drove Addington to new levels of vexation with Goldsmith.
Justice imposed tougher legal standards? That would be the same “Justice†being run by Gonzales (who went to Ashcroft’s hospital bed) and the same “Justice†that can’t get it’s Prof. Resp. lawyers security clearances to investigate – not even the Program(s) but the conduct of Justice lawyers with regard to the Program(s). Show of hands for those with faith in the application, force and effect of the unspecified but somehow and supposedly ‘tough’ standards that were, at least once upon a time, implemented.
So the unsupervised, unchecked, unwarranted Program that can be multiple different programs went on under those “tougher legal standards†(I’m still just freakin puzzled as to how you have “tougher legal standards†to do illegal things??) and of course, the unsupervised unchecked program self limited itself to only listening to al-Qaeda, bc that is the way of the world and why it was so foolish for the Founders to include such a bizarre concept as checks and balances. Really, someone explain again why we have warrants for law enforecement types – they are all able to self regulate too aren’t they? And arrest warrants? Again, the police can self regulate just as well as NSA can’t they? Especially if we can give them some “tougher legal standards†to follow when they break the law and violate the Constitution. Really- do we need trials? I mean, as long as we give police those “tougher legal standards†why not just let them round up anyone anytime anywhere and make the decisions on “disposition� Who knew it was so simple? We really don’t need laws, congress or the courts – just some DOJ “tough legal standards†and a self regulating police force.
Moving along. Hayen forgets the warrant clause (and while probable cause is a big thing to forget – never forget that the primary thing he forgot was the WARRANT part. How many Americans have never heard of “get a warrant?†Apparently – they all work for NSA where the word warrant, in 1984 fashion, is now classified. If you can’t mention it, you can’t think it, right? Gonzales testifies, not under oath, and with multiple ducks and dodges over his confirmation hearing lies to Feingold and Durbin, and spending tremendous time on how tough the probable cause standard is (completely blown off the map by the retired FISA judges that testify later) and utilizing hand gestures to indicate how much paperwork two inches equals. He also manages to set some record, now classified, for “I can’t answer that.†Bottom line – suck eggs Congress, we’ll burn whistleblowers at the stake, and no idiot is going to sue.
Being just as insightful there as he was with his enemy combatant analysis, in short order the Government has two suits pending, from the ACLU and ??Center for Constitutional Rights???(can’t remember). Then the telecoms get hit with a suit from EFF. There is also the lawyer who has a suit pending and may have evidence that these unwarranted intercepts, even those that don’t involve al-Qaeda, are, indeed, logged out.
The rumors of war in the first half of Alexandrovna’s RawStory article are of course most alarming, but when you read it don’t stop before the MEK portion. Maybe it just seems so much worse than the bad old Cold War days because there isn’t a baby’s whisper of a weak excuse for it … and maybe in any case this is some of the background to the recent calls for Rumsfeld’s resignation that should be followed up.
Part 2 et seq – I’ll break this up for the multiple links so they don’t end up in moderation.
By January there are two lawsuits pending that are mostly targeting Program 1 and the government. The ACLU files in the Eastern District of Michigan, and the Center for Constitutional Rights files in the So. District of NY. http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/17/aclu.nsa/
By the end of January, EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) filed a suit against AT&T in the Northern District of California .* While that suit deals with the program the President acknowledged (Program 1) it also alleges as to the existence of the dragnet Program 2 that is just now getting more attention. The Government has filed, as of the end of April, to intervene in this suit** and is seeking to have it dismissed based upon application of the state secrets act and will be filing a submission on May 12, 2006. In addition, the privilege itself must be asserted by the agency head responsible for protecting the information at issue after actual personal consideration by the officer. Reynolds, 345 U.S. at 7-8. The government intends to file its submission by May 12, 2006 – prior to the Court’s scheduling conference set for May 17, 2006, and well before the scheduled hearing date of June 21, 2006 for Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction.***
* http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/ (EFF Lawsuit)
**http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6066688.html (Govt intervenes in EFF suit)
***http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/USA_statement_of_interest.pdf
Mary – Wow. In way over my head here, but you mention 2 distinct programs? Did you see this brief post by Josh Marshall? He writes, in part:
“This isn’t yet another program with civil liberties concerns hanging around it. It’s an integral part of one program. This is the initial cull, from which targets of interest — that wouldn’t be able to meet ‘probable cause’ standards — are chosen for actual monitoring.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008434.php
Cont.
In February, the NYT has a piece on the telecom aspect. http://tinyurl.com/qvc2j
The companies routinely assist law enforcement and intelligence agencies with eavesdropping authorized by court warrants, a task streamlined by a 1994 law requiring a back door for the government in every new telephone technology. The law, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or Calea, has created a thriving “lawful intercept†industry for technology to make eavesdropping easier.
But for decades such cooperation has sometimes gone further. Federal law permits companies to intercept calls or e-mail messages without a warrant and protects them from lawsuits if a “certification†is provided by the attorney general or his deputies stating that no warrant is needed.
. . .
The companies’ ties to Washington are formidable. Once a year, 30 of the country’s top telecommunications and Internet executives gather in the capital to talk with the government about national security topics like how phone systems can survive nuclear attack.
All members of the National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee, as the group is known, have been given security clearances to discuss classified programs with senior domestic security, intelligence and White House officials.
OK – from this article we learn that the government sits tight with the telecoms and of even more interest – the member of the telecoms’ National Security Telecommonunications Advisory Comimittee all seem to have the security clearances that our DOJ Prof Resp lawyes did not qualify to receive. Gonzales was asked about giving telecoms clearances or authorizations and not only did he duck, he really seemed to try to make the telecoms seem like a non-issue. However, the USA today article makes it sound as if Qwest at least, if not the other telecoms, wanted a letter authorization from the AG. The USA today article makes it sound as if they did not get it – Turley on Countdown made it sound the same way and attributed the “Ashcroft in the hospital hounded by Gonzales and Card†and Comey refusing to sign off as this telecom incident.
That doesn’t make sense, though, bc the Palace Revolt article mentions that incident was in 2004, when the programs had already been around, and involved signing off on something that had to be done at 45 day intervals. Doesn’t that sound like the signing off was for the telecoms and had been going on for awhile? Plus, the Palace Revolt article mentions a compromise that was struck – the USA Today article doesn’t mention Qwest ever getting what it wanted. So???
In any event, the telecoms have some very real exposure and that exposure leaps and bounds if they did not get a written authorization from the AG-s (first Ashcroft, later Gonzales). FISA and 18 USC 2511 provides for penalties for the telecoms working on something like Program 1 without either a FISA order or AG certification (and way back when this was first breaking I mentioned that a certification becomes a harder thing to rely upon now that it is openly and notoriously being discussed that the program is illegal and the AG cannot legally and validly certify it) In addition, FISA and 1 USC 3121 et seq provide for penalties for assisting in something like Program 2.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc…..-000-.html
§ 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited
(ii) Notwithstanding any other law, providers of wire or electronic communication service, their officers, employees, and agents, landlords, custodians, or other persons, are authorized to provide information, facilities, or technical assistance to persons authorized by law to intercept wire, oral, or electronic communications or to conduct electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, if such provider, its officers, employees, or agents, landlord, custodian, or other specified person, has been provided with—
(A) a court order directing such assistance signed by the authorizing judge, or
(B) a certification in writing by a person specified in section 2518 (7) of this title or the Attorney General of the United States that no warrant or court order is required by law, that all statutory requirements have been met, and that the specified assistance is required,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc…..-000-.html
3121. General prohibition on pen register and trap and trace device use; exception
Release date: 2005-08-03
(a) In General.— Except as provided in this section, no person may install or use a pen register or a trap and trace device without first obtaining a court order under section 3123 of this title or under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.).
(b) Exception.— The prohibition of subsection (a) does not apply with respect to the use of a pen register or a trap and trace device by a provider of electronic or wire communication service—
(1) relating to the operation, maintenance, and testing of a wire or electronic communication service or to the protection of the rights or property of such provider, or to the protection of users of that service from abuse of service or unlawful use of service; or
(2) to record the fact that a wire or electronic communication was initiated or completed in order to protect such provider, another provider furnishing service toward the completion of the wire communication, or a user of that service, from fraudulent, unlawful or abusive use of service; or (3) where the consent of the user of that service has been obtained.
(c) Limitation.— A government agency authorized to install and use a pen register or trap and trace device under this chapter or under State law shall use technology reasonably available to it that restricts the recording or decoding of electronic or other impulses to the dialing, routing, addressing, and signaling information utilized in the processing and transmitting of wire or electronic communications so as not to include the contents of any wire or electronic communications.
(d) Penalty.— Whoever knowingly violates subsection (a) shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
. . .
§ 3125. Emergency pen register and trap and trace device installation
Release date: 2005-08-03
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, any investigative or law enforcement officer, specially designated by the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, any Assistant Attorney General, any acting Assistant Attorney General, or any Deputy Assistant Attorney General, or by the principal prosecuting attorney of any State or subdivision thereof acting pursuant to a statute of that State, who reasonably determines that—
(1) an emergency situation exists that involves—
(A) immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury to any person;
(B) conspiratorial activities characteristic of organized crime;
(C) an immediate threat to a national security interest; or
(D) an ongoing attack on a protected computer (as defined in section 1030) that constitutes a crime punishable by a term of imprisonment greater than one year;
that requires the installation and use of a pen register or a trap and trace device before an order authorizing such installation and use can, with due diligence, be obtained, and
(2) there are grounds upon which an order could be entered under this chapter to authorize such installation and use;
may have installed and use a pen register or trap and trace device if, within forty-eight hours after the installation has occurred, or begins to occur, an order approving the installation or use is issued in accordance with section 3123 of this title.
JWR – I can see Josh’s point, but I do think that they need to be treated for now, for discussion, as two programs. IMO, there are other “programs” – still undisclosed aspects of the overall program – too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Then we have the front page USA today article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..-nsa_x.htm
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
. . .
The agency’s goal is “to create a database of every call ever made” within the nation’s borders, this person added.
. . .
For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.
. . .
This article goes on to tell us that while there is some question about liabilities under FISA for datamining and lifting phone databases, there is liability under Section 222 of the Communications Act.
. . . first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers’ calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. . . .
The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be stiff. . . , with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The FCC has no hard definition of “violation.” In practice, that means a single “violation” could cover one customer or 1 million.
Qwest’s concern over penalties was the primary reason it did not participate. Qwest was apparently also told that the information obtained would be shared among multiple other US agencies.
The NSA, which needed Qwest’s participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.
Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest’s patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest’s refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.
In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest’s foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. . . . .
Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest’s lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.
The NSA’s explanation did little to satisfy Qwest’s lawyers. “They told (Qwest) they didn’t want to do that because FISA might not agree with them,” one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest’s suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general’s office. A second person confirmed this version of events.
W’s Do-Wrong Republicans are continuing to do wrong even as they face losing in the fall. Instead of trying a new direction in the face of plummeting polls and deficits they pass a new $70 billion tax cut for those who have never been asked to step up to the plate and sacrifice anything for this country since 9-11. If we can’t shame them out of office we don’t deserve a decent country.
Meanwhile, a few other items had occurred and were related. First, Mike Dewine had introduce tougher provision in the Patriot Act back in 2002. Glen Greenwald has a summary and explanation: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..se-is.html This was primarily geared to revising the probable cause standard (IMO, a bit of a red herring – it is not that different from reasonable belief and the main issue is not probable v. reasonable; it is independent magistrate review v. rogue operations) but Dewine was advised by James Baker, the Justice Department lawyer who oversees that DoJ’s Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, that the 72 hour freebie in the Patriot Act was working just fine thankuverymuch and that doing something like changing the standards from probable cause to reason to believe (which Hayden has later claimed to BE the standard) would raise “both significant legal and practical issues,†and he goes on to summarize how well FISA has been working and how few problems have been presented in meeting the probable cause standard.
We also discover that the head FISA judge, while briefed on the program, did not approve of it but felt hamstrung in having any way to address it. She did put into place some strictures to try to prevent FISA warrants from being contaminated by the illegal process, per a February 2006 WaPo story, http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02511.html we are told that twice over the last four years Justice had to tell the FISA judge that her requirements had been violated.
James A. Baker, the counsel for intelligence policy in the Justice Department’s Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, discovered in 2004 that the government’s failure to share information about its spying program had rendered useless a federal screening system that the judges had insisted upon to shield the court from tainted information. He alerted Kollar-Kotelly, who complained to Justice, prompting a temporary suspension of the NSA spying program, the sources said.
Yet another problem in a 2005 warrant application prompted Kollar-Kotelly to issue a stern order to government lawyers to create a better firewall or face more difficulty obtaining warrants
. . .
Both judges expressed concern to senior officials that the president’s program, if ever made public and challenged in court, ran a significant risk of being declared unconstitutional, according to sources familiar with their actions.
Again, we don’t really know which Program, or both, was involved and the hows, whys and wherefores of the program actually being shut down temporarily. We do know, though, that a FISA judge’s rules with respect to the program were breached on more than one disclosed occasion – but we are left to believe that the amorphous “just listening to al-Qaeda†standard has never been breached and needs no supervision.
Memorial day – general strike and get the word out day for Divine Strake uprising on the West coast. ( 23 June ) Then on to a general uprising Independence day with mopping up operations against embunkered dead-ender’s on Bastille day.
This could supercede the Spanish revolution of 1936 as the absolute high point in all human hirstory.
Then again it may not. I suspect they are putting something in the weenie’s and kool-aid supplies of our great nation.
So now we know that the head FISA judge warned the administration over the illegality of the programs and that these programs, so competently administered by the “see no warrant, have no warrant, get no warrant†General, on at least two known and disclosed occasions failed to adhere to the requirements put in place by the Head FISA judge. We know that the Govt is taking the position that the AT&T suit has to be dismissed for state secrets reasons. We know that almost non-partisans who review the program find it to be both illegal and unconstitutional and we know that we continue to get fibs and parsing.
And then there is the Oregon attorney.
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…../23/152254
Who may have hard evidence of having attorney –client calls intercepted without a warrant.
Slight non-sequitor – we also know that the prior FISA chief judge, Lamberth, had some significant issues with Fran Townsend at the beginning of the Bush term that may have been due to false information suppliedby the FBI in wiretap applications under her watch. http://tinyurl.com/qyo8v
Some senior FBI officials blame Lamberth, not Townsend, for the FISA problems. Townsend says she repeatedly tried to persuade the judge to lower the “wall” but knew she had crossed the line when in November 2000, the FISA court held a rare meeting of the full court to discuss “wall” -related issues. “The chief judge was so annoyed with me,” says Townsend, “that he wouldn’t permit me personally to attend, because I had pushed so hard against the restrictions they had imposed.” Others say the real root of Lamberth’s anger at Townsend was the false information given by the FBI in dozens of wiretap applications to the FISA court. Lamberth declined to comment. But he told Reno’s successor, Ashcroft, that he had lost faith in Townsend
If you live in Maryland and wish to get involved,e-mail me at paradox65@comcast.net
stateprojectmaryland wants to hear from you.
It is truly time to stand up!
did osama bin laden win?
did he?
this is what he wanted, an America with as little freedom as the rest of the world, afraid of it’s own government, and that government ruling by theocracy
we even have “Christian” camps that are teaching our young they might have to sacrifice their lives in similar suicide missions.
did osama bin laden win?
we are in the final inning, it’s the top of the ninth, we don’t have Mariano Rivera pitching, we have a rookie…they are still at bat, with one out, and they are ahead 8 to 1, they are not swinging for the fences, they are chopping away with singles and stealing bases.
we have one more at bat, democracy has catching up to do, and then she has to take the lead and put fascism away.
we need a hero, we need a movement, and we need America to survive.
did osama bin laden win?
not quite yet, but it looks like all he has to do is close out the inning.
we need a hero and we need him now, fiengold gore, Fitz
your turn at the plate arrives shortly, the weight of our republic lies on th the tip of your bat.
“Both Parties Decry Extent of NSA Program”
By Barton Gellman and Arshad Mohammed
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 12, 2006; Page A0
This is the REALLLLLY scary story:
Poll: Most Americans Support NSA’s Efforts
By Richard Morin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 12, 2006; 7:00 AM
That poll was taken before people knew it was all of THEIR phone calls and emails.
No, it was taken last night. It’s a new poll asking about the newly released information.
I’m extremely skeptical about that WaPo story and that poll. It looks like a planted story. It’s too convenient; the numbers don’t add up, considering that WSJ is reporting its new Harris Poll has Bush at 29% approval.
OT but scary:
-Here’s the link-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._interview
Most likely, there will be a “tidal wave” that propels Democrats into the majority, said Murtha. He predicts Democrats will gain 40-50 seats — well more than the 15 needed for the party to gain control.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
^^^ Grassroots Petition Drive
I caught part of Tweety’s interview on Imus this morning, and Matthews was almost despondent when he told Imus that the Democrats were probably going to take back both houses of Congress. Said that midterm elections are usually driven by the president’s popularity, and that (and this I inferred) Bush’s woes aren’t going away before November. Called the current situation a “tsunami”.
Although it’s not scientific, this gives you a different take with alternative wording: MSNBC Question of the Day
Do you care if the government has your phone records?
Yes
76%
No
24%
* 17753 responses
Back in December 2005, when Bush’s JAR was in the 40’s, the WaPo’s Richard Morin refused to even consider polling impeachment. If he’s polled it, since Bush has slipped into Nixonian numbers, I haven’t seen it.
Lets hope that Hastert will be out of the speaker’s chair the time Bush/Cheney are impeached. Can one imagine having this hack politician as the next president? WTF, I guess anyone is better than that messianic buffoon we now have in the white house.
This morning Imus was calling Tweety a communist. Tweety said the Democrats could take both houses in a “tsunami” vote.
IMO Tweety, Russert, Andrea Greenspan, and others are scared of the Democrats winning either house, because their complicity with the WH is likely to come out if the Dems get the power to subpoena.
we even have “Christian†camps that are teaching our young they might have to sacrifice their lives in similar suicide missions.
do you have a link for that?
I think the WaPo got a call from Tony Snow about the NSA story and the push polled it. It’s been all over ABC all morning. They wanted to get out in front of it. I’m off today so I’m kinda’ monitoring the morning shows just to see how they’re reporting it. ABC has by far, been the most pro-admin. CNN just sucks but MSNBC was pretty much on the money early this morning. How in the hell could they guage reaction when the story hadn’t even been out there 24 hours. It hasn’t even sunk in yet.
Anyone considered the poetic justice of chimpy going into retirement at the Crawford Backdrop with Kinky Friedman as his state’s Governor?
hmm, Good Morning– just read two pieces where the writers called the admin liars. The “L” word in print is a wonderful thing to see; sorta leaps out at you in a way that cannot be denied. Eugene Robinson in his editorial in Wapoo and Craig Crawford over at HuffPo. I can only hope that multitudes join these voices.
Oh, and Juliette Kayyam over at TPM asks us to call the program what it is: Total Information Awareness.
erm, Juliette Kayyem.
Story heard from a Dem fundraiser: a fundraiser used the line,”would you contribute money to the Kerry campaign to help send G.W. Bush back to Crawford, Texas?” He used the line consistantly, and one time didn’t realize he was calling someone in Crawford, Texas. The Crawford woman said, ” Hell no, we don’t want him here!”
So, it’s going to have to be the island of Elba, I guess. Disclaimer: Didn’t sleep much last night.
#185 – jeez, I guess I am a pedantic buzz-kill after all. There is no such word as “cayote,” it’s “coyote” (that’s “oh”, not “ah”) – one of many thousands of borrowed words long since incorporated into the English language.
Sorry again for this, but the simple fact that people living in Arizona don’t know a simple word used in all Latino dialects may explain a lot of the racism problems in that unfortunate state, where they also refuse to recognize a standup U.S.-born citizen named Martin Luther King.
While I’m at it, it might be useful to point out that the name Mexico is pronounced “may-he-koh” in Spanish, which derived from the real original name of the people who conquered the south and created the fabled Teotihucan, the capital of the “Mexica” empire (most-often referred to as the “Aztecs” – a name which derived from their former, northern homeboy region they called Aztlan, that last being the new rallying-cry word of many Mexican-Americans, searching for some connection to a long-lost past glory.)
The original name Mexica is pronounced “may-she-ka”, but it was bowdlerized by the invading Spaniards, in whose tongue the “sh” sound does not exist, so they simply converted it to the Spanish “j” – which is pronounced like the English “h”. Thus, “may-he-koh.”
Some purists among the immigrants, and even more native-born people who were raised on what is now U.S. soil, held to the original Aztlan pronunciation, and subequently became known as “Chicanos” (as in, an abbreviation of “may-she-canos, the plural Spanish “-nos” suffix denotes “people of, belonging to, idenitfying with, etc.”, much like the English suffix “-ists” or “-ans”).
Since Spanish became the officially imposed language, the name of the predominant empire of the early 16th century, and the modern nation, is pronounced “may-hee-koh.” by every single speaker of Castellano and its many, many Latin American dialects.
“Gawd, what an insufferable lurker…” – yeah, I know, I know. Sorry.
But if anyone really wants to get a handle on this whole immigration thing, it might help to learn just a tiny bit about the many millions of southern neighbors, many of whom are coming in every day – ’cause they ain’t gonna stop comin’, believe it.
In good faith, tl
This is a load of shit:
Poll: Most Americans Support NSA’s Efforts
misleading. the issue – for me anyway – is how BushCo went about it. they failed to obey the law. there are proper channels specifically set up for this very thing and they, once again, ignored the law. I don’t care how many people care if the government has their phone records, that’s not the real issue but the GOP slight-of-hand once again changes the issue.
i think i’ve had too much cofffeeee
oops, the insufferable pedant gets his own comeuppance: the Mexica people created the fabled Teotihuacan as their ceremonial, religious center, but the true administrative capital of their empire was nearby Tenochtitlan, on the ruins of which Mexico City (”Mexico D.F.” – the Spanish abbreviation means “federal district,” like “D.C.”) now exists.
My bad.
That’s what I get for being overly pedantic.
Barabara B at #33:
Keep up the good work. Get invloved, the more women, the better. Twenty years ago I escaped from a communist country and never thought I’d see the same old propaganda and abuse of power again.
That’s why this year I got invlolved with writing letters to my local paper and fund-raisers for my local congressman.
One anecdote: when I wrote my first letter, I got attacked not by one by two republicans. Well, I didn’t back down and kept replying to them politely and exposing how wrong their thinking was. When I write a letter now, no one dares to call me names or even disagree.
Republicans are on the deffensive and rightly so. We all need to state our opinions politely and firmly.
Speak with a soft voice and carry a big bag of facts.
Kalina77
The author of the quickie WashPost poll story (NSA/Telco spying is OK) is their director of polling who adamantly refuses to deal with impeachment questions… methinks his bias shows.
STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!
This morning Imus was calling Tweety a communist.
That’s cause Imus is a Stalinist. (Heh! Imus is Lieberman’s buddy.)
I wrote Sprint concerning whether they had turned over my phone call records to NSA. Here is their reply.
“Dear Keith,
Thank you for contacting Sprint together with Nextel. I will be happy
to assist you regarding phone call transaction records.
Sprint Nextel has a strong history of protecting our customers’ privacy.
Sprint has not provided any details to NSA for this. For details on
Sprint Nextel’s Privacy Policy, please visit our website at:
http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html
Further, to ascertain that no unauthorized access is initiated on the
account, I am applying a corresponding note.
If there is anything else I can assist you with, please write back.
Thank you for contacting Sprint together with Nextel. We are here for
you!
Garfield
Business E-Care
Sprint together with Nextel
“Where our customers come first!”"
I am confused about the paragraph:
“Further, to ascertain that no unauthorized access is initiated on the
account, I am applying a corresponding note.”
and will write back for further information.
Fitz!
waiting for fitz…
Just checking the DC’s court’s schedule, looks like Libby will be back in court on 5/16/06 @ 130pm and coincidentally, Safavian will also be in court that day @ 930 for a pretrial conference.
Rude Pundit:
FYI – I have been searching like mad this morning to determine if one of my companies was providing data.
There are choices. Make protecting your privacy important to the phone companies. If they don’t protect it, leave.
1) The cable companies have indicated they would not provide the information without a warrant.
2) Vonage has indicated they would not provide information without a subpoena.
3) Verizon Wireless has indicated they did not participate.
4) T-mobile also did not participate.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/…..vacy_x.htm
Let’s be clear. They are tracking who we’re calling. What’s the difference from them using on-star records to see where everyone is driving? On-star location records are just business records after all, no different then who you’re calling. Cell phone location information – because people that go to certain places at certain times might be suspicious. Tracking of metro card usage – does metro turn over all of users metro card usage? Not your name, just your unique identifier.
How is who you’re calling different from who you’re visiting? Where you’re going? Who you’re associating with?
keith of Orlando 251:
possibly they are saying that they have marked your account as one that they need to figure out if your records were given to NSA and noted your question so if they get more information about your request, they will let you know.
either that or you should expect to see black helicopters circling your house shortly.
how sad:
200 Feared Dead in Nigeria Oil Blast
10 minutes ago
LAGOS, Nigeria – An oil pipeline exploded Friday in Nigeria and up to 200 people are feared dead, a local television station reported.
Nigeria’s Channels Television reported the fiery blast came as villagers flocked to a ruptured conduit at Ilado town outside the main city of Lagos to scoop up fuel gushing out. Up to 200 may have perished in the explosion, the station said. There was no immediate confirmation.
http://news.yahoo.com/
pat 254 – don’t forget EZ-Pass or any other RFID automatic toll payment devices
Monday nite 8pm Bush to Address the Nation supposedly wrt Immigration.
Good Morning Firepups,
just got up so a little fuzzy but, 2 -3 days ago I was actually reading an annual report (ordered by law annually) showing all kinds of stats on federally ordered eavesdropping – even broken down by states -
anyway, then when on and read previous issues, etc- THEN compared it to DOJ stats on crime
looks like no more than 16% subject to federally ordered eavesdropping (btw 81% of these cases were drug enf.)- are ever convicted, doesn’t sound all that effective to me – guess the legal eagles can weigh in – but as a non lawyer was thinking for some reason these cases should have been easier to convict
oh goodness more coffee
angie 256 – another reason for them to raise gas prices.
they mentioned it on CNN too, I hope the number 200 is inaccurate and that most or all are just unaccounted for.
twolf1 says:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:31 am
I think you are right!..no helicopters yet.
Am I just way behind the times– or is KO always on MSNBC at this time? Or am I in another universe?
245-
Heh. That was a telephone survey, right? :-)
What I hate about these polls like WashPo/ABC News, is that it isn’t a matter of whether people agree with the collection of telephone data, it’s whether there is legal authority to do so, and whether the legal procedures were fully complied with.
But let’s not allow the details to get in the way.
there’s something fishy about the Preznit giving a full night-time half-hour speech on broadcast networks about “immigration” — they are to give up prime TV time so he can discuss ‘illegal aliens’?
Something different will happen…dunno what
This presidency is at watershed moment. At 29% JAR, GWClusterfuck is in no man’s land. He can’t lead. WE are facing the prospect of 2 1/2 years of zero leadership or impeachment/resignation. It’s getting close to the time when goopers will visit the White House and say “It’s time to go.”
agreed *ilson46201– it smells like another perch.
!ztiF
EPU’d Zone is here ’cause there’s a whole new good morning post.
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twolf 257 – indeed. In fact, I think we should start publicly asking this question. What business records are fair game? In fact, I think we should write the WAPO polling people and ask them to re-run the poll, asking the following questions first:
1) Should the NSA have access to all customers toll records showing when they passed through the tolls?
2) Should credit card information showing purchases where the card was physically swiped be available showing just the customer account number and location of the store where the purchase was made?
3) Should on-star, lojack, or equivalent automobile location tracking information also be permanently collected and made available to the NSA?
4) Should cell phone location information be collected and made available to the NSA?
With this information, the NSA could track where people are and find people that potentially could have been meeting. Should the government be collecting information tracking it’s citizens movements and associations even when there is no reason for suspicion? Should it be able to use this information to GENERATE suspicion?
If it’s OK for the government to track who you’re communicating with, how is it not OK for them to track where we’re all going, what you’re buying, where you’re staying?
pat @ 269-
I’ld be very surprised if #2 is not already happening. Banking records are far more important than call logs in terms of their potential effectiveness.
Bushie will be interrupting The King of Queens, Oprah Winfrey’s Legends Ball, Prison Break: Fight Season Finale, and bill o’rielly to talk about illegals.
Kick the King in his balls and throw him in prison with bill ’cause he’s doin’ shit that’s illegal.
angie- this is new and I believe only started this week. Good to have another oportunity to see KO and perhaps MSNBC are realising that he it the best thing they have going for them.
thanks, jinny! that is good news indeed– hee!
from the WaPo this morning:
“And at left-wing Firedoglake, a poster suggested the program violated the very notions of liberty and freedom. Above the posting was a picture of a farm of satellite dishes and the headline, “Are they listening?”
Too bad they didn’t mention the picture above this post.
We need to go into the streets, so no one works or buys anything. Perhaps the powers will begin to understand that THEY LIVE OFF OF OUR BACKS! I’m ready!
My review of Glenn’s book will be published in the News & Record, Greensboro, N.C., on Sunday, May 21. If it’s not posted online, I’ll post a copy to my N&R blog as well.
rusty
Good catch! The WaPo is giving our hosts a bit of a pushback, don’t you think?
I think Jane and Redd have gotten well under their poor thin skins.
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“We can’t do anything” translation: “we know we should oppose this, but we’re benefiting from it, so we’re bullshitting you.”
Very simple solution…….been done before.
General Strike.
Stop commerce and you’ve kicked them square in the nuts.
This is a corporate, capitalist govt. Stop the flow of capital and we rule. No risk from the Death Star, no violence, no state murder, no arrests, no “free speech zones”. Everyone stays home and doesn’t work. They don’t respond the first time? Do it again, following month. Repeat until stench fully flushed. Pull the plug on their economy before they pull the plug on ours. Bring them right to their knees, pronto.
Added bonus benefits: Encourages Temporary Autonomous Zones, suspends momentarily the destruction of the planet, enhances play over work, and reminds comatose BabyBoomers of their Hippie Heritage.
bkny ~ “we even have “Christian†camps that are teaching our young they might have to sacrifice their lives in similar suicide missions…
do you have a link for that?”
google “jesus camp”
or go to air america radio and look for “ring of fire”. they should have links…
Why does anyone continue to believe that we will have national elections?
Bush acts like he has no responsibility to support his party and his popularity is in freefall. Experience has taught us to disregard what he says because he lies every time his lips move. Therefore, we have to look at what he does for clues as to his real agenda. Based on his acts, I think he plans to stay in office until he succeeds in implementing the neocon’s grand plan to remake the world into their military and corporate playground.
That cannot happen overnight, or by 2008. And the Republicans have to continue to control both houses of Congress so that they can block the Democrats from conducting any investigations. With his 750 signing statements Bush has made it clear that Congress no longer has authority to do anything other than stifle debate and investigations. We have a dictator running our country right now. Since he believes that he is the only person in this country who has all the right answers and he has declared himself to be above the law, it necessarily must follow that he believes he is the only man for the job and he’s too stubborn to allow anyone else to take the wheel. How can it be otherwise?
Wake up America!
Verizon cell phone account cancelled!
rickygee,
Here’s a link to how to thank the Qwest senior management pretty much directly for standing up for their customers.
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Melinda Henneberger cancelled her Verizon account,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..20875.html
first this:
Intelligence officials said Foggo’s departure would be “pretty standard” because the executive director “tends to follow the CIA director’s career trajectory.”
then this:
“The FBI and CIA’s Office of Inspector General this morning executed search warrants for his agency workplace and residence,” said CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck.
think about that for a moment…….why was this man hired?
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J i O @ 277 – It is a poor, thin type of skin there.