Fitz!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fitzo de Mayo, claro !

FITZ EM TIL THEY CRY!!

1). is it fitzmas eve?

2). after the usa today article, chimpy’s next poll number will be 28.

Mr. Fitzgerald to the white courtesy indict-o-phone, please.

Do we know if Fitz will be there? Or is this just another case of a regular GJ meeting?

*ilson I like yours better. I’m changing it.

I was checking here all day for a “media advisory.” Guess I’ll be checking tomorrow all day too!

I guessed tomorrow, and my knuckles are white waiting for some good news. Fingers and legs crossed. Oh, please let it be!

the “Fitzo-de-Mayo” nomenclature promotes diversity and internationalism, a truly progressive goal. Gracias!

angie 9 — I think Fitz would give the media at least a business day’s worth of notice as he did for the Libby indcictment (see 8).

Oh please oh please oh please . . .

Yeah who had tomorrow in the pool?

punaise- has to be one of your absolute bests!

Mr. Fitzgerald to the white courtesy indict-o-phone, please.

I did

Joe Scarborough is ripping into the telephone tapping program. He used to be on the House Intelligence Committee. He abominates the program and the Telcos that facilitated it.
Usually I switch away from that asshat but tonight I may watch…

I’ve sent out the alert for a Fitzo de Mayo party. If the indictment(s) come down tomorrow, party time tomorrow night. If not, what ever Friday night follows it will be party time . . . don’t want to tempt fate, but it is awfully tempting!

Go Fitz!!!!

I awoke this morning fantasizing about Fitz being named Atty Gen. in the next Dem administration. A girl can dream.

matty fred says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:02 pm

You’ve heard of surprises, haven’t you? *g*

Jane, Thank you so much for this update (giggles with barely controlled glee while singing “it’s begining to look a lot like Fitzmas, everywhere we go…In the look on the lawyer’s face, he knows Rove’s a big disgrace, with perjury indictments in a rowwwwww…..”)
Do we know what channel will be most likely to broadcast this live? I’m assuming one of the C-Spans.

Christy or Other Legal Minds-

Can you tell us about the feasibility of class-action lawsuits against the people who have sold our phone records to the gov’t? What would be the necessary criteria to discover if a suit is applicable? How would we get that information? Is there any way we can make them stop?

Thankee kindly,
Rex

Got EPD’d so pardon the repost; I don’t think you’ll mind :-)

What do you get when you elect a Republican as Governor?

Criminals, Corruption and Coverups!

What do you get when you elect a Republican to Congress?

Criminals, Corruption and Coverups!

What do you get when you elect a Republican as President?

Criminals, Corruption and Coverups!

Are you beginning to see a pattern here?

Fitz ‘em all!

Spread the word!

Republicans – Criminals, Corruption and Coverups!

salut, Valley Girl!

sorry I never got back to you on the French discussion, but I figured it out later via your response to Hugh. I wouldn’t want to clutter up a current thread a discuter en francais, but we can politely squat an old thread for same, n’est-ce pas?

Interesting…..this really relates to the previous article, but….Joe Scarborough just came out and soundly CONDEMNED the latest NSA activity revealed today. He was very strident in his crtique, ending with a message to gov’t: “get a damn warrant!” Wow…that’s Scarborough saying that! Interesting.
Ghostman

Don’t wish for an indictment tomorrow. Let Bush stew in his own NSA travesty for a week or two. Then, when he thinks the worst is over, that’s the time for an indictment.

matty fred 11– I’m thinking Fitz is not only predictably brilliant, but also unpredictably savvy and just plain true…

I don’t think he plays by any rules, if it’s ready tomorrow, tomorrow it’ll be.

I hope.

hold the lettuce, leave the mayo
we can fry them any day-o
we got meat that’s on the plate
be right here and don’t be late

should we have to wait a little longer
rotten mayo smells ever stronger
a perp we find, squashed and under the bus
and one less fungus, among us.

sorry, i am just too keyed up do good rhymes wondering about the new dictatorship rules we haven’t been issued yet.

Yeah who had tomorrow in the pool?

Ooh! Ooh! ME!!

I think RH reviewed the archives and concluded that Fitz didn’t announce the press conference until Friday early a.m. last time.

Of course, that was a different situation in that the GJ’s term was expiring on Oct. 28th – I’m not sure when this one expires but it’s not soon.

Also, I suppose there’s some doubt as to how the GJ will vote. In the case of the Libby indictment, he may decided to hold a press conference one way or the other.

Valley Girl says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:03 pm

Think about it: how long has it been since punaise has summoned Thesaurus Rex to pick up on the white trexaphone (or whatever it is you call it – would the NSA know?)

everybody in the pool!

The GJ will meet tomorrow. IF they return indictments, Fitz will announce a press conference to be held – he will give a 24 hour “heads up” on that conference.
Speculation is that the announcement will be made on Tuesday as to what indictments the GJ approved.
The GJ only needs 13 votes to indict, out of 24.
Fingers crossed.

matty fred,

Fitz did NOT give the media a day of notice last time. He issued a press release announcing a press conference later that same day.

That was a little different since that was the very last day that GJ met, so we all new something was going to happen one way or another that day.

But there’s no reason to think (Jason Leopold’s flawed reporting, notwithstanding) he wouldn’t proceed the same way this time: GJ meets, press release given, press conference a few hours later.

trollophone

Matty Fred 11 — I think the situation is a bit different. Fitz owed the public something that day, it was the day the grand jury expired and one way or another with that much anticipation built up he had to say something. Can he know for a fact that the grand jury will hand down indictments if in fact he requests them tomorrow? If he calls a press conference the day before and nobody winds up being indicted, what’s he supposed to say? “Nice try?”

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com/

rex 20

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/11/telcos-liable/

I’m exhausted. Please wake me when the Republic is saved.

Question though about GJ workings. If, and obviously it’s a big if, GJ indicts tomorrow, what’s been going on in the meantime, since the last meeting that we know about, the one with Rove? Time been spent for Team Fitz to hammer out the wording of a document to present to the GJ for them to consider and return (go true bill) or time for the GJ to absorb the testimony, or?

everybody in the pool!

Fitz: Marco

Everybody: Indict Rove!

Fitz: Marco!

Everybody: Indict Rove!

etc, etc, ad nauseum

Off Topic – Joe Scarborough ripped the administration a new one on the Spy program in the opening segment of his program.

Republicans are becoming disillusioned.

I say wish for an indictment ASAP to give Rove less time to cause more trouble.

As for Bush stewing in his NSA juices, I’d like to be convinced otherwise, but why should this USA Today story be any different from the original NYT one? The Republican masses don’t seem to care about wiretapping. Why would this story cause a major drop in the polls when the original one actually seemed to help him?

Ay, dios mios – Fitz! Querida! AHORA! PRONTO! ANDALE!

What does “Your comment is awaiting moderation” mean?

the last Grand Jury was predominantly African-American females. Not exactly the demographics Karl Rove is skillful dealing with, eh?

18, 25 — Yeah, perhaps (hopefully!) you’re right. I was just going of off the previous indictment pattern. Counting chickens, etc.

ps- I’m a long time reader and first time commenter. As cautious I’m pretending to be, I think the excitement finally brought me out of the lurker shadows!

TRex 38: Marco Fitzo Marco Fitzo

If we know Fitz plays by the book, no leaks, advance notice PDF at his site…and no notice at site. Makes me think this is at best cable herd mentality, and possibly Rove/Luskin disinfo to undercut PJF credibility. Nets and viewers “WHat!? No indictments! What a lot of BS”

But anything is possible, and hope springs eternal.

It would be sweet one-two punch on WH polling. Massive UnConstitutional illegal domestic spying and treasonous betrayal of a spy

Raw Story has been saying for a few hours that Fitz will be there tomorrow. If Fitz had already decided to not indict, he’d have no reason to meet with the GJ, correct?

Oh dear….Fitz!! Doce de Mayo!!

beard5 says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:06 pm

You’ve made a good assumption; if it happens tomorrow, we will probably also see it covered on MSNBC, CNN, and other cable news channels. What channels were broadcasting last October’s press conference?

well, hi there matty fred; great time to delurk and try to relax among friends. what a crazy 24 hrs.

welcome, matty fred
how’s the water?

What does “Your comment is awaiting moderation†mean?

AT&T is checking with the NSA to see if it’s okay to let it through.

punaise- re: the French discussion- no need to continue, since you got the gist from my comment to Hugh. How do you say “don’t feed the trolls” en Francais?

Scarborough is practically screaming at some assistant to the pResident about the legality of the datamining of phone records. He is asking whether next the gov’t can get our banking records, etc.
Now he has called the Bush presidency is “the Imperial Presidency”!

I normally work at home on Fridays – and wouldn’t you know, tomorrow I have meetings and have to go into the office – just when it may be THE DAY!

Will set the VCR, but it’s not the same as being glued to the TV and the blogs all day!

Actually, though, I hope it happens early next week instead. It would be such a travesty for this indictment to fall into the Friday black hole.

Looks like DiFi purchased a clue today. She thinks she may now not confirm Hayden. Really? What piece of the puzzle was she missing?

If Fitz had already decided to not indict, he’d have no reason to meet with the GJ, correct?

It might be one in a series of meetings leading up to an indictment decision.

I bet 5/19 but to be honest I’d rather see it on 5/26… The NSA issue should remain on the front burner of the news cycles for as long as possible, in my opinion.

But don’t let me spoil any one’s Fitzmas party preparation!

he will give a 24 hour “heads up†on that conference.

I don’t think that’s necessary. The networks are going to be there tomorrow morning.

not fitzo de mayo, but mother’s day!
come to mama, patty m’ boy…

Well, good for you, matty! You are very welcome here, don’t slink back to the shadows.

I’d sure like to know what Christy thinks about this. Have you talked to her, Jane? I think it’s possible, but somehow I’m doubtful that tomorrow will be the day. Probably just the NSA thing talking.

Wouldn’t it be fun if Rove had to give up the security clearance and resign tomorrow??? That’s basically what Libby did. Rove won’t want to, Bush won’t want him to, but he has to, doesn’t he??

Did I mention that Fitz is looking fetching?

Scarborough’s attack on the government telephone call collecting program was really amazing. Are there more conservatives like him out there that feel that way?

veuillez ne pas alimenter les trolls

Bush energy plan update. His vision for 2007:

http://www.bgladd.com/Bush_Mal…..y_plan.jpg

VG- from my experience as a GJ, I think time to hammer out the wording; jurors don’t absorb so much as forget during the lapses between meetings. When I served, the USAs kind of made it clear that their expectation was when in doubt, we were to request more information rather than vote no true bill…When we started asking too many questions, they would go back to their investigation. When and if the GJ does vote a true bill, the indictment can be sealed until the prosecutor decides to serve it up.

Tony Snow better work on his “I refuse to comment on an ongoing investigation” delivery tonight….

obsessed at 28 — that’s correct — there was media buzz and rumors, but the announcement from Fitz’s office did not come until the jury had officially voted, the morning that Libby was indicted. Anything earlier that was official would have been improper. And there was a recent report that Libby’s attorney’s weren’t notified until the morning of the indictment either (a target letter or any other notification is NOT a requirement, FYI, it’s a courtesy). (I think Schuster reported the morning Libby notification earlier in the week, if I remember correctly.)

Just a word of caution for everyone — if the grand jury is meeting tomorrow, and really what we have is Matthews public statement on this on MSNBC on Hardball, not an official court announcement, but still…just because the jury is meeting does not mean that there will be an indictment. (Although, damn, it sure would be sweet, wouldn’t it? I’m gonna be up at the crack of dawn in anticipation.) All I’m saying is, there is a lot of information that the jurors have to absorb and consider in this case — built up from months and months of investigation. Just don’t go all celebratory until we know for sure that there is an indictment — we’ll see that when Fitz takes things to the presiding judge along with the foreperson of the jury, just like last time. Justice takes time, and I don’t want everyone to be hugely disappointed if it doesn’t happen tomorrow, that’s all I’m saying.

The GJ was given a Request for Indictment to review. They have been reviewing the documents and we will find out if they “return” the Indictment (which means the Prosecutor has proven there is enough evidence to take the case forward).
Also, at this point, we don’t know exactly “who” the indictment has been requested for – how many (Rove/Cheney/Hadley???) or how many charges are requested against each.
The frequent comment referring to Grand Juries is that – if a Prosecutor requests, they will indict a ham sandwich.

Fingers crossed!

punaise says: “trollophone”
May 11th, 2006 at 6:10 pm

Is that what a call girl uses? *g*

50 — Thanks!! A crazy 24 hours indeed. Times like these are as frightening as they are exhilarating. This administration is being backed further and further into a narrowing corner, and there’s no telling what they may cook up to get themselves out of it.

i too heard chris mattthews say the words, how come I can’t find it confirmed?

è«‹ä¸è¦å“ºé¤Šæ‹–釣

(ain’t Babelfish grand!)

Scarborough to wingnut…What about banking records? Is that OK too????

Raw story is saying that all networks will be on the ground at the courthouse tomorrow, just in case.

I wonder is Bush requested Fitz to indict Rove to get his NSA off of the front page?

Basheert #70 – how do you know that?

VG 53
I can’t find a good translation for troll.

ne nourrissez pas les nains*

or, preferred:

il ne faut pas nouurir les cretins

*nain is dwarf, so that’s not right

I am hoping it will be Monday as well. The public needs the weekend to digest this NSA telephone business and really get angry, then on Monday another shoe will drop. If Rove gets indicted tomorrow it might not get the attention it deserves – or will curtail the MSM coverage of the illegal datamining scandal. Better to space these things out justa little… Never let them catch their breath.

Looks like DiFi purchased a clue today.

Where’d you see that? DiFi’s mindset is to cover her ass in relation to where she thinks things will be way down the road. Hence, she voted for the war, failed to opposed Alito, opposed censure, etc.

So if she’s against Hayden now, it means she thinks he’s seeing some change in the wind as a result of today’s revelation.

Trouble is, DiFi is not only a cowardly, self-serving follower of trends, she’s also usually wrong about those trends.

If anyone else is a CA democrat, I suggest we vote for one of her two primary opponents to send her a message — but which one?

The Grand Jury meets every Wed and Friday. Fitz was not there (I don’t believe) on Wednesday but reason to believe he will be there tomorrow.

Basheert:

“The GJ was given a Request for Indictment to review.”

Where did you see this? Do you know they have received this?

Valley Girl says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:15 pm

And in fractured French, wouldn’t it be “ne pas feedez les trolls?”

“Criminals, Corruption and Coverups!”
by
Liars and Bribers and Sqaures, Oh My!

Don’t be stupid be a smarty
Jump off the sinking Gooper party!

58 – If the GJ had already returned a no-bill, it would have been announced I’m thinking. Since they met on Wednesday, Fitz would have called and held a press conference on Thursday.

He has been giving a 24 hour heads up for announcements.

Squares

Kendrick Meek is on the floor of the house, and just hauled out his big honkin’ rubberstamp. Good for him. If someone has already posted this, I apologize.

What’s brewing…..http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/redcloud-tornado.jpg

Friday the Fitzteenth!!

2nd thought — If FItz knows no indictments to come tomorrow, would/could he ‘heads up’ to nets to save their crews?

People keep saying FItz will give 24 hours notice, but I don’t know why. He didn’t last time – only a few hours right?

troll == French word “enmerdeur”

Stephen Parrish, CPA 71

“trollophoneâ€

Is that what a call girl uses? *g*

no, that would be a trollop-phone

I don’t think Chris Matthews knows that the Fitzgerald or any of his assistants will be meeting with the greand jury.
I hope he has guessed right.

Well, I’ve been wrong before – but I would give good odds that nothing is coming for a while. The big push to get this wrapped up soon is coming from Gold Bars Luskin and Rove -not the leak-proof Fitz team. Rove just testified, so you would think the GJ would need a couple of weeks to chew over that, at least.

Is there any indication that we’re close to a decision, besides the press leaks from Rove’s team? The GJ term doesn’t end for months, FItz has no deadline imposed on him, and last time he announced Libby’s indictements at the last possible minute, on the very last day for the GJ. Something doesn’t scan to me.

JH 45 — Tru ’nuff. Fitz scheduling a press conference before an official indictment truly would be counting chickens before they hatch!

Susan in Iowa at 88 — I love those 30 Something Dems. They rock.

Anthony used a Trollope phone

I was away from all news outlets all day, just found out about the latest Bush administration illegal spying on millions of people without a warrant scandal. Has Bush commented on it today?

Part of it is that even if Fitz asks for an indictment, he doesn’t know that the GJ will vote for it.

RH – if you’re the prosecutor dealing with a GJ, how informal is it? Can he poll the jury and can they talk strategy? In other words, is he like the foreman of the jury and they’re all coming to a decision, or is he strictly behaving like a prosecutor, presenting his case to them and then they deliberate without him?

*ilson 93 – mais bien sur. (actually spelled emmerdeur).

Wir sind Fitz!

(that’s a play on the best Bild headline ever – WIR SIND PAPST! – WE ARE POPE!)

I think we don’t really know how much notice Fitz will give because the last time, for Libby’s indictment (God, that’s a beautiful word – indictment!) we were already pretty much “on call” due to the GJ term expiring.

Maybe he’ll give us more notice this time…

92 — With Libby, the media knew the night before there would be a press conf. the next day, even though the written media advisory is dated Oct. 28. Mr. Silence (Fitz’ PIO) probably answered “yes” to the question on the phone the day before, so that’s how the word got out (prior to to putting the media advisory on the web site and on the wires).

Basheert The GJ was given a Request for Indictment to review.

So, if that is one of the steps in the indictment dance, is this Request given to a GJ during a meeting, or can it be distributed to jurors w/o a meeting? If it has to be distributed at a regular meeting, then I can’t see that it would have been given at the last known meeting, the latest Rove visit. Also, I would guess that a review wouldn’t be done “on the day”, but then IANAL. Maybe this is what goes on on the day- GJ gets document to review, meets and discusses, and then returns “true bill” or req. for more info?

Curiouser and curiouser. My suspicion is that something else may be happening. There was a media frenzy the last time because the Grand Jury was expiring. This time, it sounds like the press has been tipped off. I see two big possibilities: (a) Someone’s been called to testify, and that lead to the word getting out. (Would LOVE it if Libby has flipped, by the way. It’s also possible that JudyJudyJudy had her memory jogged by one of Libby’s filings.) Or (b) Fitz made a courtesy call to someone’s lawyer(s) to let them know that he’d be asking the GJ to indict their client tomorrow, and the lawyer(s) tipped off the press. That’s the kind of thing a media-whore like Luskin would do in a heartbeat.

Wish I could take the day off tomorrow to catch any breaking news on the tube. I will check FDL every chance I get.

Since I gotta go to work – I gotta go to bed.

Night All

punaise: recall Indiana was a part of Quebec until 1763 ! If it hadn’t been for that silly 7-Year War …

You know, it also occurs to me that should Rove be testifying again, Luskin would be aware of the schedule on that and would be a possibility for media notification as well. That would be equally true for any other potential witness and their legal representatives. (e.g. Cathie Martin, Susan Ralston, Stephen Hadley, someone like that…) So media notification could have happened for a number of reasons. But I am POSITIVE that there was no official announcement until the morning of the indictment being handed down by the jury.

Sharkbabe 103 –

Nous sommes tous des Fitz

(per the French headline after 9/11: “We are all are Americans”)

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com/

Sorry – only 12 GJ need to vote a true bill of indictment. The GJ consists of 23 – so 12 satisfied customers will cover it.

This blog has a lot of detailed generic info on how GJ’s function – which helps understand what is taking time.

Are they also just filling Cable Email’s conversations for future use, and how about Skype telephone conversations…

Tomorrow is the day, I said and hope…

obsessed at 101 — it’s the latter. You present your case — there is some give and take if they have questions — then you leave the room and the grand jurors vote, after deliberating in secret.

This is Bush’s brain – This is Bush’s brain on felony charges

There is definitely a possibility that someone has flipped. This would be the natural time to do it so as to beat the clock before an indictment comes down, which would change the playing field significantly for all involved.

I missed the last thread, but since Sprint was listed as a non-NSA alternative, I’ve been wondering if anyone knows anything solid about their position. (I have Sprint for long distance and cell service.) They weren’t one of the “big three” listed in the USA Today article, but it says that Qwest is “the only one of the largest telecoms” to refuse.

I don’t know is whether Sprint is smaller than Qwest, but I haven’t found anything definitive that says they’re not involved. Has anyone else?

Also, they were mentioned as cooperating in the earlier “only international calls” version of the program, so without solid evidence, I’m not inclined to let them off the hook.

Also, in my search, I came across this interesting comment on democrats.com:

Having worked for Sprint LDD…
Submitted by EnderW on April 9, 2006 – 7:41pm.

I can say that for them to be installing SOC operations at non-gateway switching sites indicates Bush is lying about the level of spying.

If the SOC was at Restin, or other INTERNATIONAL gateway sites, if would be for monitoring internation traffic. The AT&T #4ESS switch *IS NOT* a CEPT gateway switch. The #4ESS is a pure SS7 switch.

This means the said SOCs are being used exclusively to spy on AMERICANS only.

Posted on April 9, and just based on the earlier reports. Hm.

106 –

I’m not an expert either by any means. But when a Prosecutor presents any case, a GJ will take time to deliberate and review before responding.

Like any court proceeding, decisions don’t come on a timetable. But this Grand Jury meets only on Wed and Fri at this point.

punaise 111 – you say Fitzesque, I say Fitzlisch, let’s call the whole thing off

flipity-do-dah
flipity-day

Sharkbabe 119 – OK, but are you gonna toe the line? :~)

The wiretapping has been depressing the heck out of me and making me think of taking out an Upton Sinclair book or something on King Arthur. Don’t know which.
If this is Fitzmas eve, I am beside myself doing a little jig for joy so to speak.

neurophius @100~i
I was away from all news outlets all day, just found out about the latest Bush administration illegal spying on millions of people without a warrant scandal. Has Bush commented on it today?

He did, and listed several responses – all of them I assume are lies. I saw his responses on Countdown tonight.

Obsessed, #81 – I heard DiFi on Lehrer News Hour. I don’t actually believe that she’s speaking her heart or mind. I agree with you that she has her nostrils in the wind. I live in SF and am disgusted wtih these people to the point of voicing at the ballot box. Boxer is the only Californian who seems to have some principles w/r/t to Bush and His Travesty. DiFi is a career politician. Stinky.

Brekekekex koax koax or just plain reebit?

Basheert, hate to tell you, but this blog has better information from a number of real attorneys. The phony pf blog may have info, but there is no inside dope there, so take care.

O/T, but equally crappy and worhty of monitoring:

Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism”

Across the United States, religious activists are organizing to establish an American theocracy. A frightening look inside the growing right-wing movement.

http://www.salon.com/books/fea…../goldberg/

…Tim LaHaye, who is most famous for putting a Tom Clancy gloss on premillennialist theology in the Left Behind thrillers that he co-writes with Jerry Jenkins, was heavily influenced by Schaeffer, to whom he dedicated his book “The Battle for the Mind.” That book married Schaeffer’s theories to a conspiratorial view of history and politics, arguing, “Most people today do not realize what humanism really is and how it is destroying our culture, families, country — and, one day, the entire world. Most of the evils in the world today can be traced to humanism, which has taken over our government, the UN, education, TV, and most of the other influential things of life.

“We must remove all humanists from public office and replace them with pro-moral political leaders,” LaHaye wrote.

As premillennialists grew to embrace the goal of dominion, they made alliances with Reconstructionists. In 1984, Jay Grimstead, a disciple of Francis Schaeffer, brought important pre- and post-millennialists together to form the Coalition on Revival (COR) in order to lay a blueprint for taking over American life. Tim LaHaye was an original member of COR’s steering committee, along with Rushdoony, North, creationist Duane Gish, D. James Kennedy, and the Reverend Donald Wildmon of the influential American Family Association.

Between 1984 and 1986, COR developed seventeen “worldview” documents, which elucidate the “Christian” position on most aspects of life. Just as political Islam is often called Islamism to differentiate the fascist political doctrine from the faith, the ideology laid out in these papers could be called Christianism. The documents outline a complete political program, with a “biblically correct” position on issues like taxes (God favors a flat rate), public schools (generally frowned upon), and the media and the arts (”We deny that any pornography and other blasphemy are permissible as art or ‘free speech’”)…

…Speaking to outsiders, most Christian nationalists say they’re simply responding to anti-Christian persecution. They say that secularism is itself a religion, one unfairly imposed on them. They say they’re the victims in the culture wars. But Christian nationalist ideologues don’t want equality, they want dominance. In his book “The Changing of the Guard: Biblical Principles for Political Action,” George Grant, former executive director of D. James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Ministries, wrote:

“Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ — to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.
But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice.
It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.
It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time.
It is dominion we are after.
World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less…
Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land — of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.
_____

Bring it on, you deluded weenies.

OT – This was probably discussed in another thread today, but I’m still trying to catch up with everything today. Given that the same telecos operate a large part of the internet traffic, does this mean that internet traffic is a part of this database? I realize that there is probably yet another “classified” program which may monitor email in realtime looking for “keywords” or something, but I am wondering about keeping a permanent copy of emails. I am no techie, so I was wondering is that logistically possible using the technology talked about today?

neurophius– what Leslie said at 123– see the video on cnn at the linky

http://www.cnn.com/

punaise, you’re on fuego tonight – go baby go! (everybody backing off dance floor)

WTG zennurse!

punaise says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:41 pm

my oh my, what a wonderful day!
plenty of sunshine, headin’ my way…

(I think that’s the way it goes. Please check your repository of lyrics.)

so Meta – which of DiFi 2 demo challengers are you gonna vote for? I’ll do the same.

That’ll show her, eh?

Christy- you say “present your case”- I’m not sure if this is what was meant by Request for Indictment by earlier commenter. My question at 106 has to do with the time frame, and access. What is a “Request for Indictment”?

From the Cassell’s French Dictionary English to French and French to English.

troll (2)[troul], n. (Scand. Myth.) Troll; (later) gnome, nain, m.

mui at 132:

If you opt for King Arthur, try the trilogy by Bernard Cornwell.

I am so damn excited I’ll never be able to sleep tonite. I just visited Fitz’s aunt’s page in Ireland. The pics of him are great!

Pics of Fitz in his hometown
http://www.dingle-region.com/sppatrick.htm

Thanks, cc, we are not terribly amused by misrepresenting Our Hero. He is the one and only.

Anthony used a Trollope phone

BAH-HAA-HAAAA-HAAA!!

*cough*

Nice. English major humor.

#101 obsessed says: May 11th, 2006 at 6:31 pm

yes, I wonder how the GJ prosecutor goes too, Redd-Hedd. Please give us your thoughts. How formal is it? Can they let their hair down and talk turkey about these weasels, or not?

One reason that I hope Rove is indicted soon is that we need the media to clear the decks for the upcoming Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA) Show. That should be good. It’s Duke and Jerry instead of Dean and Jerry, and the humore is black this time, not goofy. But heck, I think Dean and Jerry broke up before I was born, so I really have no point of comparison.

I want the DOJ to rip through the GOP CA House Delegation asap. For two reasons. One, so we can get rid of those crooks and I don’t have to wear the shame of having 1/4 of my state’s whole damn House delegation being crooks (even if that half ain’t my party). And I think it would make some kind of nice slogan for the election if a whole bunch of them were indicted. I’ll have to think of a good slogan for that though.

DOJ needs to work though this bunch before election. Anyone know of other R-CA representatives who need a look-see?

Representative Dan Lungren • District 3
Representative John Doolittle • District 4
Representative Richard Pombo • District 11
Representative Bill Thomas • District 22
Representative David Dreier • District 26
Representative Jerry Lewis • District 41
Representative Dana Rohrabacher • District 46
Representative Darrell Issa • District 49

Leslie 123

Thanks–did he mention that he now suspects 200 million Americans of being in leagure with Al Qaeda?

punaise- kinda sad- your comment reminds me of JFK’s statement “We are all Berliners”, which he apparently mis-translated into German, so it came out “we are all donuts”. You are too young to remember that, I’m sure. Sigh.

VG – If you are referring to Basheert, beware, he/she has already shown a troubling tendency to pass off speculation as fact. No one knows whether Fitz has given the GJ any sort of a preliminary request for an indictment (if such a thing even exists).

It’s beginning to look a lot like flip-mas…

BobbyG says:
May 11th, 2006 at 6:45 pm

Guess where Tim LaHaye went to college?

OfT:MSNBC Question of the Day
Do you care if the government has your phone records?
Yes
77%
No
23%
* 15340 responses
Go Fitz!

merci Harry @ 135

Sharkbabe – Gorillaz!

choochmac -

ASSUME that they are surveilling web traffic, email traffic, land, and wireless phone traffic. Assume that they are enlisting all manner of corporation in this. At the credit card bank where I worked for 5 years til lrecently, we were instructed to be vigilant for any “suspicious” transactions and to submit routine federal “SARs” (Suspicious Activities Reports), which started out decades ago as anti- drug money laundering stuff, but post- 9/11 got ramped up to include potential “terrist” vigilance. During our training we were told that were were immune from any civil legal actions resulting from filing any erroneous SARs. We could completely fuck up someone’s life, and there’d be no recourse.

One reason I quit in Feb 2005.

BobbyG, is that a review of a book by a woman??? I’m listening to an interview by Terry Gross with Michelle Goldberg who wrote a book called “Kingdom Coming: the rise of christian nationalism” right now. It’s a little bit amazing that you just posted that. I’m thinking it might be a good book to add to our book club. She has been going to Megachurches and interviewing christians for the book, and she’s a liberal.

neurophius 64, I think there are more conservatives out there that are really fed up.
This lady I know bought into the Ohio no-gay-marriage thing, but now she’s pissed. “Cheney shot a man in the face, and did he get in trouble? NO. Would we have gotten in trouble? You bet. And why aren’t Bush’s kids in Iraq? We’re losing kids over there every damn day.” etc.

Fitzsuntide is coming, I think. Either that, or the networks just like camping out at the courthouse.

punaise, you are killing me.

For those interested in some *gossip* I heard, under the proviso that I don’t state where I heard it (other than to say that it is indeed *gossip* — someone heard it from someone who heard it from someone, yadda yadda, you know how that goes), read on:

What I heard is that the decision whether or not to ask the grand jury for indictment(s) against Rove was made sometime around the end of last week. Nobody was able to say WHAT Fitzgerald’s decision WAS.

One of the reasons why our dear Fitz is so good at not having any leaks from his office is that, at this stage of the game, he and his helpers are communicating with the judge using a previously determined “codespeak” just in case, you know, there are some nosy people who might be, you know, trying to listen in.

I report this FWIW, which I guess isn’t much. It is a current strand of *gossip* amongst a certain set of civil servants. I have no way of verifying. But it’s also nothing very surprising. We’ve been thinking for some time that the Special Prosecutor has been making up his mind, and I guess he’d have to be stupid (which we know he ISN’T) to not take sensible precautions to ensure privacy in his communications.

So this is really just a crumb, which anybody here could have reasoned our for him/herself.

But it’s all I’ve got! Except for a seat in front of my teevee tomorrow; that I’ve got! Thanks, guys, for making this a great COMMUNITY experience! Since hanging out at FDL, each one of us knows we’re not really alone.

zennurse -

“Sweetie” here. (LOL!)

Yeah, Michelle Goldberg:

About the writer

Michelle Goldberg is a senior writer for Salon. Her book “Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism” has just been published by W.W. Norton.

“Fitzo-de-mayo”…..that’s sooooo delovely!!

VG 142 – Mr. Fitz: tear down that wall!

We could completely fuck up someone’s life, and there’d be no recourse.

One reason I quit in Feb 2005.

BobbyG –

Bless you for that. There are lots of folks, as we all know, who WOULDN’T quit.

gotta go; catch y’all in Late Nite …

I’d advocate caution regarding tomorrow. There is just no indication that tomorrow will be an “action” day – at least none that I’ve seen at this point. I think that Rove is one of the most evil sociopaths to run the planet but I’m not sure we even know whether Fitzgerald is going to be present at this point (isn’t this a regularly sitting GJ? So might Tweety’s twitterings be an echo of the Note’s bi-weekly GJ notice?) Fun to speculate but don’t get despondent if nothing happens.

President Bush’s approval rating “has fallen to its lowest mark of his presidency,” according to a new Harris Interactive poll. Just 29% think Bush is doing an “excellent or pretty good” job as president, down from 35% in April.

“Roughly one-quarter of U.S. adults say ‘things in the country are going in the right direction,’ while 69% say ‘things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track.’ This trend has declined every month since January, when 33% said the nation was heading in the right direction.”

http://tinyurl.com/a6erq

HELP IMPEACH TODAY

Keep the pressure on Congress… Talking about impeachment wakes people up… They question, it’s a strong motivator to get people thinking. It also lets Congress know how intense the dissapproval is for this President… They seem to be a little slow on the uptake. So please:

1) Sign petitions if you have not done so
2) Send a letter to Congress (both Senators & House rep)
3) Send a copy to the media
4) Enlist friends and family to help, ask them to chip in time
5) Spread the link around, email it (with a request to forward) post it on a blog, or in the comments of a news story.

Help out!!!

Thanks :)

xyz- thanks for the tip. But, my question still stands about the mechanics of the GJ. So, supposing that Team Fitz has been getting together all of the stuff (written) to ask for an indictment since Rove’s last vist. And, suppose that that is presented to the GJ tomorrow. Could the GJ review this info in just one meeting (after they “retire” to discuss privately) and come back with a decision? Is this time frame reasonable as to what the GJ would have to read and consider on a single day?

zennurse-That website I linked to in #137 are real pictures. I don’t know what you mean by what you said??

Bush JAR hits 29% in new Harris Poll:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..l-ratings/

(via Political Wire)

VG, I learned that in German 101. Noone is too young: Ich bin ein Berliner. Heh! I love jelly donuts. *slap* call me slap-happy in sheer anticipation.
Lina: will write that down. I am always trying to catch up with an old friend of mine, who’s a Arthur literature from past to present buff, but never got to step one.

Mrs K8-

A lot of people thought I was crazy. I took about a 23% pay cut to move to my new job. We were FILTHY rich at that bank, making money out the wazoo. I couldn’t take it any more. I hated to go to work after a while, it was all about hooking people into rolling over expensive debt, and then bundling up the accounts and selling them in the securities markets.

Cheryl came home with a Lexus one day, paid cash, with my annual bonus! LOL!

I don’t miss it. Not one penny.

Redd-Hedd-Smith #114: missed your answer for some reason. Thanks. Still like to know the gestalt of how this works. The formality of it seems weird, when you have repeated sessions together over up to 18 months.

Re Tim LeHaye religious nut case crowd: Please don’t call them Christians. Read Fundamentalism by James Barr to understand why if we still had heresy today, these people would be heretics. Call them Christianist cultist, or Dispensationalists Cultists, or something. They are not Christians. I am sure a large minority of the ordinary deluded followers to do not fully realize this, but it is true, they are NOT Christians.

hey, i can wait for fitzmorial day. a greasy pig roasting in his own juices for a couple more weeks. delicious.

ValleyGirl: I remember the jelly doughnuts!

Mmmmm, bacon!

The night before Fitzmas,
All through the White House…

nah…

#160 *ilson46201 says: May 11th, 2006 at 7:00 pm.

thanks *ilson! 29% huh? I think BushCo will long for such a good number in a few weeks. I am betting FDL commmenters regional speciality junk food that Bush will be stuck in mid-20s within a month. You in? Whadya want. Ghirardelli mint square? See’s bon-bon, whatever.

neurophius 141 ~
bush, or Scarborough?

Actually, I think it was KO or Prof. Turley who mentioned the 200 million Americans in league with al Qaeda.

KO signed off with Turley saying “give me a call”.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.

…….

Humpty appears in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking-Glass, where he discusses semantics and pragmatics with Alice.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

(courtesy wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty

ccmask, 137 and 138 posted at same time, I think she was commenting still on your WTG! about the “patrickfitzgeraldblog”

I’ll be useless tomorrow until I hear one way or the other.

wesgpc: yup … Karl Rove has done for the real Christians what Bin Ladin did for the real Muslims.

I meant Way To Go on telling him to stop….oh well….
Hey guys…this is not that Patrick Fitzgeralds guys blog….

Irish Fitzgeralds Fond of Famous Kin
By Sean O’ Driscoll Irish Village Voice
http://www.dingle-region.com/sppatrick.htm

Indiana junk food? like deep-fried Snickers? giant breaded tenderloin sandwiches with tartar sauce?

Slightly OT: Glenn Greenwald links to a great post on the illegality of the domestic wiretapping: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..l-ratings/

angie #174
I think the Bush version should be:
“When I use a word,†Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I will choose it to mean — either more or less, dpending on what’s convenient.â€

ccmask #163 and zennurse:
To verify: go to Google images and search for “Patrick Fitzgerald”. It’s on the second page of the results. His cousin has a mean sense of humor, I think.

Thanks Sharon

To Fitz or not to Fitz, THAT is the question.

Muzzy says:
May 11th, 2006 at 7:10 pm

I’ll be useless tomorrow until I hear one way or the other.
_____

Ditto. I gotta do the red-eye back to Florida to go again tend to my hospitalized Ma tomorrow night (leaving at midnight, yuk)). A Fitzmas present would help me sleep on the plane.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..l-ratings/
Bushs approval rating at 29% in new poll!

“KO signed off with Turley saying “give me a callâ€.”

And signed off the show with “keep your phone calls brief” rather than the usual “keep your knees loose” lol

cc, I was responding to your 131.

wes, sorry, will use fundies from now on. I do understand the difference.

29%, 29%, it’s time to kick this guy out, he cannot lead the country anymore, nobody has confidence in him or any of the rest of them either. Just read at polling point that one poll gives Congress a 22% approval.

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.

I have been saying that General Michael Hayden looks like Humpty Dumpty (that big oval head) and I still think it is true.

First Fitz may be meeting the grand jury,now this;
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002807.htm
If I’m dreaming,don’t wake me!

BobbyG – good wishes to you and your Mom.

yes, wesgpc @ 181, cause he’s the decider of all things!

He looked very bad today and ran out of the room and out of town PDQ. His hair is finally on fire, almost 5 yrs later…

Isn’t the GJ always scheduled to meet on Friday?

*ilson #179
I thought deep fried snickers was a Scots junk food. But, yeah, sure. Waddya want from SF? We got stuff like that too. Some county fair around here was doing deep fried ice-cream sandwiches last summer… dunno if they’ll be back this year. Poor man’s Baked Alaska, I guess. Anyway, name your poison.
***
No one have any dirt on California GOP House delegation not currently under suspicion of stealing the people’s money?

motherlowman- This is different. It tells about his accordian playing and pranks as a child. There are pictures with his relatives in the Dingle Region of Ireland. It is done very nicely, respectfully, and they are very proud of him in his hometown. I would never say mean things or point to mean things about our Fitz.

obsessed – Eck, sorry to say I’m not impressed with anybody. My patience is worn out. But I’ll keep my eyes open and let you know if I discover a true vote. You do the same!

“Hayden looks like Humpty Dumpty”

He looks like Mr. fuckin’ MaGoo.

http://www.stuffucrave.com/image/magoobobble.jpg

BobbyG– all the best!

anon, thanks.

Takin’ my WiFi laptop, will try to check in at FDL periodically.

Oh my I do hope Fitz is ready to seek indictment/s on the creepy Karl. Like pukebot 168, I can wait for this is such sweet anticipation.

OT – Any fdl’ers on the Monterey Peninsula planning to go to Yearly Kos and want to car pool to San Jose airport email me at info@stowitts.org. Thanks!

Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems that there is no hard evidence Mr. Fitzgerald is seeking an indictment tomorrow and several reasons to believe that even if he is seeking one or more indictments, that process may not be completed tomorrow. (Fitzgerald needs time to present to GJ, GJ needs time to consider, etc.)

Also, even if the GJ comes back with an indictment, he may wait 24 hours beyond that to issue and public statement.

All this appears to add up no indictment announcements tomorrow. Am I missing something?

I know that zennurse. I said WTG, for this response of yours:

Basheert, hate to tell you, but this blog has better information from a number of real attorneys. The phony pf blog may have info, but there is no inside dope there, so take care.

:>)

“Hayden looks like Humpty Dumptyâ€

i think he’s light bulb head.

All the best from moi as well, Babe.

Prolly the only fact Crhis got right in the whole show.

meta – I’m just saying:

1) DiFi & two unknown democrats are on the June 6th ballot
2) DiFi is going to win
3) We might as well vote for one of the others to let her know we’re pissed
4) If all the pissed of democrats in CA vote for the SAME unknown demo challenger, it will send a better message

angia, thanks…

xoxoxo

Wish I could take one of my guitars, but that’s too much stuff to schlepp around.

I frigging hate going to Florida.

BobbyG 192

The Internet Police say I am not authorized to view that page.

BobbyG ~
best of everything to you and your mother.

Bobby –

Cheryl is a lucky lady, for sure. I get the feeling she believes the same thing I do — there is NOTHING more sexy and lovable than a guy with INTEGRITY.

Makes my toes tingle. ;-)

Mr. K8 heads a technical testing-type department, which MUST remain totally independent, with no favors to any single client (a favor to one means screwing the other, a competitor, over). One day a sleaze — who had been taking employees (but NOT Mr. K8) to lunch in a fancy rented limo — offered a plain white envelope to my guy. Actually he had stuck it in his folder, and Mr. K8 found it later. It was filled with cash. Mr. K8 didn’t even wait to count it. He walked throughout his department waving it, saying “if anyone here got an envelope like this, you’d better come with me right this second. I’m turning this in to the man who deserves to know about it.”

Then he went straight to the office of the owner of the company, who himself is a great guy, European born (who firmly believes in giving his employees the best health care and vacation benefits possible), an owner who himself is a straight shooter in ethical matters. The owner immediately cancelled all contracts with the sleazy client, commended Mr. K8, and warned all employees that this highly successful company could be destroyed by one single corrupt employee.

There were a few underlings (some silently grumbling) who coughed up their white envelopes filled with cash. The happy ending to the story is that the grumblers left the company shortly thereafter; they came under increased scrutiny but were NOT treated badly — they were a couple of guys who were spoiled brats who didn’t like hard work; they preferred a “quick buck” and headed off for other companies with less honest owners. Mr. K8 has been deeply trusted and respected by the owner ever since.

I wish every similar story in corporate America worked out this way, but know that isn’t the norm. We don’t make a ton of money in this household. But we’re happy with a modest life and ownership of our souls.

My hat’s off to you and all the other sexy guys out there who can look the woman they love straight in the eye, and she sees a bright soul there.

Hayden looks like an android or cyborg to me.

(apologies to the good androids and cyborgs everywhere)

BobbyG: I think the worst part is having to hang out at the airport so long and the taking off of the shoe bit. Makes for a long day. Hope all is well with your Mom. I live in the Sebring area–it’s really nice here.

Found a fun little photo here

Here’s hoping

this FDL blog is particularly good about reliable sourcing. if you have solid facts to work from, then informed speculations, inferences and deductions can be made.

Valley Girl -

(((((*!*)))))

Thanks. BTW. I gotta hook you up with my nephew Mark, who lives in ATL now. PhD in physical genetics from Georgia Tech. Wizard. Great young dude, smart-ass like his Uncle. Workin’ for Georgia Pacific now, after an unhappy stint with Intel up in Portland.

Wesgpc, many of us New Englanders are cider lovers. New York state too I think. I once spent a sad holiday season in the south, having to make wassail from “New England Cider†in a bottle for a friend. I love that red velvet cake though that they have down there.

Just home fm fundraiser Warner ‘08 & Webb Senate ‘06. They are both STELLAR!! Long talk w Webb’s wife and ooodjed my way up to talking w both candidates. Helps to be a pretty girl :)

For folks who were there I was the one in the gorgeous red suit.

Told Warner & Webb I advocated 2 things: the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions.

Talking w campaign aides and others I stressed the importance of respecting and working with the blogs. Webb is pretty good on that.

Webb has star power from being Sec. Navy and from being a nationally known author. He is a good old boy that resonates well in southern VA and a smart guy that resonates well in northern VA. HE CAN BEAT GEORGE ALLEN. He is the real thing.

We can take back the Senate. Webb can WIN in Virginia.

ccmask -

LOL! and, I gotta fly that friggin CRJ outa Cincy this time down to Melbourne (tiny-assed Canada Regional Jet equipment, no room for carry-ons).

Leslie, thanks!!

Mrs K8, BobbyG is one lucky man:

http://www.bgladd.com/Bobby_and_Cheryl.jpg

32 years. My kids say it’s ‘cuz I’m scared of her.

All this appears to add up no indictment announcements tomorrow.

- Fitz doesn’t leak, so no “hard evidence” doesn’t mean anything

- Sure time is needed, but it has already been awhile since Rove’s last visit

- There is no “24 hours” stuff. That is just made up.

I don’t know if everyone else has seen this–it struck me as hilarious:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1048…..ident.html
WASHINGTON – New White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is starting off in a combative mode against the press by issuing detailed rebuttals to what he considers unfair coverage of Bush.

“The New York Times continues to ignore America’s economic progress,†blared the headline of an e-mail sent to reporters Wednesday by the White House press office.

Minutes earlier, another e-mail blasted CBS News, which has had an unusually rocky relationship with the White House since 2004, when CBS aired what turned out to be forged documents in a failed effort to question the president’s military service.

“CBS News misleadingly reports that only 8 million seniors have signed up for Medicare prescription drug coverage,†Wednesday’s missive said. “But 37 million seniors have coverage.†On Tuesday, the White House railed against “USA Today’s misleading Medicare story.â€

“USA Today claims ‘poor, often minority’ Medicare beneficiaries are not enrolling in Medicare drug coverage,†the press office complained. “But by April, more than 70 percent of eligible African Americans, more than 70 percent of eligible Hispanics, and more than 75 percent of eligible Asian Americans are enrolled or have retiree drug coverage.â€

White House sources said Snow, who started on the job Monday and has yet to give his first public press briefing, is determined to aggressively counter what the administration considers unfair assertions in both news and editorials about Bush. At the same time, he is eager to make the notoriously secretive administration more accessible to the press.
####
Like we don’t have anything else to worry about, so this schmuck is going to be the Official Press Scold? !

Mrs K8, #210 -

Major props to you, BTW, for doing the right thing. Great story.

mui #216: wow! New England! Fresh cider is great. And maple syrup and clam bakes and seafood. I better be careful, if I lose I’m broke sending candy all over. If I win, I’ll be fattening up again. I better watch it. Waddya you in for? mint square or some See’s stuff?

Oh, and randomly talking w people met Steve Jarding, Foxes in the Henhouse. Quite a nice guy, and very intelligent.

Jane, I think I had tomorrow in the pool too.

the latest post at americablog is a mind-blower.

yay egregious! i cannot wait to see that smirk wiped off Georgie’s face. i will dance for days!

i bet John Warner wouldn’t mind having a compadre from the Navy serve with him… he loves him the military and i believe, thinks GA is dumb.

Margot -

It takes a COMPLETE lack of self respect — or complete clinical delusion — to take that job whoring for Bush. Thankless task, and will only get more so by the time of his first presser, given the now daily torrent of bad revelations.

Whereas I can see that Hayden looks a little bit like Humpty Dumpty and Mr. Magoo (don’t know who light bulb head is) and a cyborg, I mostly think he looks like Karl Rove.

I’m with Frank Probst at 107

First, the MSM has been wrong as often as not on this.

And look who’s leading the pack? Tweety. While you’re getting all excited, I implore you to remember the tape of Tweety wiping jiz off his chin because he was so excited that Tom DeLay was resigning ON HIS SHOW!!! I just imagine he’s dreaming of a jizzy chin again tonight. And of course he’s one of Karl’s favorites.

Anyway, that’s my $.02…

I had Fitzmas as the 19th. Perjury and obstruction, minimally.

Tomorrow would be nice, though. I really would rest better on the plane.

Wesgpc, Lobsters are good. But I never tried deep fried snickers. I like mints though. My breath will be fresh, just in case I want to kiss everyone I see. :) Icke bin ein Berliner.

obsessed, I know what you’re saying/ I just hate pissing off my vote. She will win, no question. How much longer?

Off topic, but I had to check Freeperville for their take on the universal phone database. The occasional Freeper expresses reservation and is quickly and massively smacked into place with comments like “This is no different than a phone book, don’t over react. You’re playing into the Dim’s hands.” Idiots.

chisholm says:
May 11th, 2006 at 7:37 pm

the latest post at americablog is a mind-blower.
_____

You got that right:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

emptywheel says:
May 11th, 2006 at 7:39 pm

If you haven’t already done so, please look at Mrs. K8’s comments posted upthread:

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-99996

emptywheel, Wasn’t it Tweetie that gave Joe Wilson the heads up on Rove, according to Wilson’s book? (I wish I hadn’t given that book away.)

29% in the WSJ/Harris poll? Whew.

W at 29%!!!! Harris. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..l-ratings/

BobbyG says:
May 11th, 2006 at 7:42 pm

What did you think of the post just below the one you mentioned?

Aw, BG, you and Cheryl are soooooo adorable together!

way, way, way OT:
BobbyG, I know it’s not Vegas, but have you ever watched “Reno911″ on Comedy central? It’s a scandalously funny guilty pleasure….

meta – you can still vote for DiFi instead of the republican (who’s that gonna be anyway?) in november

Interesting- I was earlier today thinking about americablog’s post on buying Wesley Clark’s cell phone records re: the recent furore. Deleted the amblog bookmark a while back, so I didn’t go back to find the cell phone post, but tis worth reading for this latest.

The blogisphere is on fire tonight !!!!

Atrios’ post on NSA has 1200 comments –

C/L has Gingrich video, wherein he states -he “wont defend the indefensible”

and the legal eagles here should check out some of the lawyer blogs – it’s like a giant jurisprudential mosh pit !

and ccmask if you’re still here – what day did you have for less than 30% JAR – the 18th ?

(don’t know who light bulb head is)

Character from a Robyn Hitchcock song.

A Tipping Point on Eavesdropping
Are the latest NSA spying revelations enough to turn the public against the program?
By MATTHEW COOPER/WASHINGTON
Posted Thursday, May. 11, 2006

http://www.time.com/time/natio…..78,00.html

# 220 Margot says: May 11th, 2006 at 7:35 pm

“Like we don’t have anything else to worry about, so this schmuck is going to be the Official Press Scold?â€
–no I would say that he will be the Official Press Liar-To-er
FDL needs to have a Tony Snow watch. It will be fun blogstorming the WH! Give their datamine archiving a little workout, too, I guess.

“The New York Times continues to ignore America’s economic progress,â€
–this is the worst post-WWII economic recovery in terms of everything except maybe corporate profit rate, and averaging over whole cycle I am not sure corporate profits are so great. Look at Economic Policy Institue reports, which are online. Or check good mainstream economics blog like Angry Bear or EconoBrowser.

“CBS News misleadingly reports that only 8 million seniors have signed up for Medicare prescription drug coverage,†Wednesday’s missive said. “But 37 million seniors have coverage.â€
–most of those 37 million were forced onto Medicare drug coverage, they had no choice. Less than half of healthier elderly who have choice have signed up so far. If there is not big increase in enrollment in these last few weeks, Medicare drug coverage will blow even bigger hole in budget or premiums will go up.

“USA Today claims ‘poor, often minority’ Medicare beneficiaries are not enrolling in Medicare drug coverage,†the press office complained. “But by April, more than 70 percent of eligible African Americans, more than 70 percent of eligible Hispanics, and more than 75 percent of eligible Asian Americans are enrolled or have retiree drug coverage.â€
–Again, most of those were forced onto Medicare Part D. So this is inaccurate. Many poor minorities forced into Medicare Part D were dual eligibles and they lost benefits by switch.

See Talkingpointsmemo Café: “The Drug Bill Debacle†or a health care blog like Piper Report or Matthew Holt for details.

Stephen Parrish, CPA

Which one? Net neutrality, or Sandia and the 6,000 year old earth?

Net neutrality — obviously the Suits wanna turn the internet into a China-esqe content restricted toll road.

jurisprudencial, sorry

Punaise (241), The terrorist training version was hysterical *thumbs up* . Unfortunately I was trying to watch while babysitting my sister’s twins.

BobbyG says:
May 11th, 2006 at 7:51 pm

This one: http://americablog.blogspot.co…..-pull.html

Thesaurus Rex -

She’s a major hottie at 56.

punaise -

Yeah, Reno 911 is pretty funny. Dopey funny.

I go to Reno a lot. It’s pretty not-Vegas.

But, then, NOTHING is Vegas.

mui: Did you ever have the drink called an Apple Pie? It is Vodka and Cider with cinnamon sprinkled on top. I make them every Thamksgiving– you must try it one day! Perhaps for Fitz de Mayo?

Stephen, oh, yeah. Lovely timing.

What a mess. Be an interesting talking-heads Sunday morning.

I would love to see a Rove indictment come down right smack in the middle of this NSA brou-ha-ha. So far, these guys have managed to weasel out of every single-issue scandal. I’d like to see how they deal with two at the same time.

Duktig Pojke @233 – Hah. I read those phone book comments this morning. Yesterday, they were smacking down anyone who dared to suggest the program had anything at all to do with domestic surveillance.

Duktig Pojke,

“Off topic, but I had to check Freeperville for their take on the universal phone database. The occasional Freeper expresses reservation and is quickly and massively smacked into place with comments like “This is no different than a phone book, don’t over react. You’re playing into the Dim’s hands.†Idiots.”

You’re a brave soul ; )

So then they should have a problem with…

NSA domestic bank records data base
NSA domestic on line purchase records data base
NSA domestic medical records data base
NSA domestic ATM records data base
NSA domestic DNA data base???

All to catch the “terrists” of course ; )

BUT, register gun owners? That would be an invasion of privacy.

Mui at 216 — life without good cider would be horrid — luckily we can get it by the gallon here in WV. And in the winter, I keep some going on simmer in our crockpot with mulling spices and a hit of rum. Yummy. Along with great homemade apple butter from a festival each fall (I can make it myself, but this is so good, I don’t even bother any longer.) for our biscuits, I just can’t imagine being wihtout either. I do miss good maple syrup and maple butter, though — they are harder to find outside of New England (where I went to college).

Bush at 29 percent.

Does this mean that we will hear more new stories about his upcoming “bounce”?

Because that’s what happend when he hit 39%

re: 246 — Well, it sounds like Matt Cooper disagrees with my previous pessimistic prognostication that today’s NSA debacle will meet with the same sheepish response from the uncleansed masses as the last NSA debacle did.

People were weighing the pros and cons of a Rove indictment tomorrow, vis-a-vis the NSA jaw-dropper maintaining first place in the Neilsens, etc. Mes deux sous:

Mr. Demille, I’m ready for my indictment. Tomorrow.

Why NOT the frisson inimitable of watching the WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER. take a gut-busting one-two punch? Sounds like one hell of a show to me.

Did Nixon leave via AF1 or by a commercial jet?

Mrs. K8 @ 210, I agree that there’s nothing more attractive than integrity. I’ve often wondered exactly what women like Judy Miller and Kathleen Harris expected from GW Bush and his ilk. If they expected loyalty, they ARE stupid.

zennurse 149, I heard that interview. I’d like to read the book too.

BobbyG Am wishing you the best possible trip and visit w/your family.

And yes you is lucky.

And I’m sure I won’t be the first to mention a resemblance to former Red Sox mgr. now Fox baseball commentator Kevin Kennedy.
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For all Humpty Dumpty fans: Carroll’s entire ‘Alice’ is part of Project Gutenberg. Download chapters for free in ebook form:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/meta…..ngdir.html
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I had the 19th…but I’ll take any. And I want an indictment that has at least Off. A. Eventually, I want Gonzo, maybe more than Bushicles or Cheneyville Horrorshow.
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And churchbells across the nation ringing with jubilation!

Tectonic plates shifting, folks. I’d write more but I’m beat tired. This is one of those nights where I either have to write a ton or just not write much at all.

I have to go the gym and exercise. I can hardly wait. Gonna get me waffles from Chicago, and deep fried snickers from Indiana, and cider from New England. Or did mui say LOBSTER?

OK, chop that 20-30 range into thirds. So, mid 20s means 23.3% to 26.7%, By pollkatz aggregate pool of polls for GW Bush approval rating. Stuck means…. one week below that centered on June 15.

On very very slim, chance I lose, very very unlikely almost impossible freaky chance I lose, seem like all three in for a bag of g-deli mint-squares. Heck, two bags. And I’ll throw in one o’ them cable care tins o’ chocolate too.

mui, did say MAINE LOBSTER, is that right? Do correct me if I’m wrong.

Better go work out. Burp.

ccmask – our version of apple pie is Tuaca, hot cider w/ cinnamon stick – whip cream on top -
we also break em out on thanksgiving

I was listening to Rush “Karl’s Brain to his Mouth” Limbaugh the other day and he was very confidently predicting that the Hayden nomination was a carefully laid bear trap, like the sobbing Mrs. Alito, and that Hayden would make a very forceful and convincing case for the necessity of the illegal wiretaps and the democrats would again end up with egg on their faces.

Should be curious to see if he changes his tune tomorrow. Anyone care to volunteer for reconnaissance duty? I can’t stand to hear his pompous voice twice in the same week.

zennurse (#149)

i heard part of that interview too. really important and really scary. put it on the list for sure.

Joke break…

Repost a cute joke I got at work today:
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A group of 3rd, 4th and 5th graders, accompanied by two female teachers, went on a field trip to the local racetrack (Churchill Downs) to learn about thoroughbred horses and the supporting industry (Bourbon), but mostly to see the horses.

When it was time to take the children to the bathroom it was decided that the girls would go with one teacher and the boys would go with the other. The teacher assigned to the boys was waiting outside the men’s room when one of the boys came out and told her that none of them could reach the urinal.

Having no choice, she went inside, helped the boys with their pants, and began hoisting the little boys up one by one, holding on to their “wee-wees” to direct the flow away from their clothes. As she lifted one, she couldn’t help but notice that he was unusually well endowed.

Trying not to show that she was staring the teacher said, “You must be in the 5th grade.” “No, ma’am”, he replied. “I’m the jockey riding Silver Arrow in the seventh race, but I appreciate your help.”

Ok one other thing about the Warner/Webb fundraiser tonight in Arlington. Many people said they were there because their husband/wife/partner got them involved.
People: your passion will bring along others who will help save the nation. Works in my home. Go for it.

Hey Bobby G -

Hope all goes well for you and your mom.

and I hope folks are there to look after you on both ends of the flight.

Pachacutec: This is one of those nights where I either have to write a ton or just not write much at all.

so write a ton already!

Did Nixon leave via AF1 or by a commercial jet?

Helicopter.

Let me say this:

The night Ciro Rodriguez lost, people were pretty depressed around here. That prompted me to write this:

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-tide-yet/

We’re right on schedule, but must press the attack. The news is coming so fast these days it’s almost faster than Internet time. Bloggers can’t keep up. Multiple headline stories and revelations within a single day.

What is the effect on national consciousness?

29%, BITCHES!

And the meltdown is not over.

Angie 261

AF1 is any airplane on which the president sits. Ford allowed Nixon to go back to CA on the presidential aircraft, but since Nixon was no longer president, it was not technically AF1

How very much fun would it be if Snowjob’s first presser is Rove’s indictment, the new spying mess, and who knows what will hit the fan between now and Monday?

Have to lie down and rest my overwhelmed head. Visions of Fitz with Starbucks in his hand strolling past reporters into the Courthouse.

Nice dream, hoping it happens.

sweet dreams to all of you.

Kirk, thanks.

FDL’ers are the BEST!

Continuing vigilance, everyone.

Gotta run.

I could sure go for a good Murray Waas article right about now.

Marine 1 via taxpayers with sservice in attendance I take it? I cannot believe I don’t know this! Thanks TRex.

obsessed: if tomorrow is not Fitzmas, I’ll write a bit more.

punaise (#158) didn’t know y’all spoke arlesienne……

Annoucement:

Judge J. Michael Luttig, one of the country’s most prominent conservative jurists and once considered a likely Supreme Court nominee, has resigned from the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va.

I’m sure life (read: $$) in private sector was part of the motivation, but TIME seems to think that he resigned partly out of qualms regarding civil liberties. He was on the Padilla case. If you remember, the administration did a 180 on trying him in civilian court and Luttig basically called the DOJ liars. Hard to believe that Bush & Co. are offending even their base to such a degree.

Angie 261

What I remember is Nixon getting into a helicopter and doing his V for victory sign with his arms. But I don’t know where the helicopter took him. I have a vague memory that he may have timed the effectiveness of his resignation to leave him time to fly on Air Force One to California, but I am not sure about that.

OT
Hearing about the telecom stuff, I have been wondering what they are going to do with my phone conversations that include pant, oh yes, please, oh god, yes yes pant giggle.

Pach #265: I agree. Problem for BushCo is that they lied to all those regular people who wanted to trust their government in a time of crisis, and overly trusted Bush/Cheney for that reason. He burned them very badly. Does anyone have a list of BW Bush’s most outrageous lies regarding this that me made to the mass of the citizens?

The the UAE thing shows it is really bidness as usuall for the VIP players as opposed to the loser snoozer marks.

Need to get some details out about the Cunningham scandal. Like, that transportation service run by crooks with no background check. See, if you are “a player” you don’t need no stinking background check (or licenses needed to operate your business) ’cause you are a VIP player. Not some schnook mark. Bidness is bidness, if you are a player. Money talks and BS walks, and Bush has essentially told the 99% of the country that they are BS. IMHO. I think mid-twenties by mid June.

Unless he bombs something. But I’ll still send out the mint squares to siun, mui and *ilson.

thanks kirby.

zennurse, I hope to see that tie flapping in the breeze followed by a wonderful presser with him looking everyone in the eye and his arm fully extended calling on each and everyone of them, like last time. sleep well. ;)

Ccmask (253). That sounds great. I tend to do this though: cider heated with spice. Then not too much rum is splashed in at the last minute. Gives it a full body taste. (Oh wait Christy does the same thing. Sounds like cultural cousins.)
Whip cream sounds like a good addition.

Christy, we used to make maple syrup. In the town I partly grew up in, I used to see buckets hanging from the trees. For some reason, this stopped. Now maple syrup seems to all come from Vermont (the other dairy state). Arghh. Farms have been sold off like crazy probably since the 1970s.

Tales from the Memory Hole:
cnn.com and msnbc.com are burying the NSA phone records story. As of 7:50 Pacific, CNN was leading with possible problems in the new evacuation plans for NO and “Bush defends NSA phone database” is just above “Alligator kills Florida jogger near canal,” closely followed by “Uproar over bikini-clad teacher pictures.”
MSNBC is leading with “Experts Debate Pecking Order for Bird Flu Vaccine” (and their main page asks the question I know we’re all asking: “Is domestic surveillance the new normal?”) CNN is archived here, MSNBC here.

Christy Hardin Smith 257

she’d BB cider self without it.

my reference point for cider is le cidre de Bretagne, the fermented variety enjoyed with crepes (not to mention the distilled Calvados…mmmmmm)

looks like late-nite

neurophius 284– thanks! I do remember the V sign and him looking all scrunched up, but I am just trying to picture this one leaving….. you know!

new thread – Late Nite

Bobby (#197):

Hayden looks like KARL!

maybe karl’s little brother? at least a cousin (inbred, for sure)

Wesgpc (266), I’d be afraid to send something that might be unpasteurized and unrefrigerated. I don’t know what the Long Island lobster situation is these days, but that’s what we generally have. (There was something going on with that. Others from CT probably know better.)Maple syrup from VT or some other local produce, perhaps?

mui #295: I was kidding. Don’t worry. I have to remember to type in the smiley faces.

Thesaurus Rex~
I just read your “On Civility”
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..tml”
Awesome!

wesgpc,(296) I like the idea. It is fun to think that you’d be getting all this stuff. I know we’re playing, so I thought I’d start talking logistics in all mock seriousness. Icke bin ein Berliner and all that :))

Kirby: You’re right! Tony’s first day on the new job is going to suck. It’ll be blowing like a blizzard. Hehe

Now, I predicted to a couple of friends lo ten days or two weeks ago that Fitzmas was going to be either yesterday or tomorrow (and I’ve got the email to prove it) or never, and I remain hopeful that it is tomorrow. But I strongly suspect that this is just Chris Matthews doing the Note’s shtick observing that the grand jury is scheduled to meet tomorrow – like it’s scheduled to meet every Wednesday and Friday! – and Matthews is just mentioning it now because a lot of people expect Fitzmas to happen this week, and tomorrow is the last day of this week. Rawstory – which tends to track Shuster’s reporting quite nicely or not-nicely (and Matthews is probably just echoing what Shuster told him) – did the same thing today, making it sound at first like Fitzgerald was scheduled to meet with the grand jury tomorrow, but then making clear that all they meant was that the grand jury was scheduled to meet – like always on Fridays!

Again, maybe it is going to happen. But I think all Matthews is working from is the speculation we all have that tomorrow seems like a day where it would make sense for Rove to be indicted. Nothing more than that, and that’s not much.

Let’s all send Fitz some positive thoughts right about now. The guy is carrying the weight of the world — or, at least, of this country — on his shoulders.

Yes the grand jury will meet Friday and they will indict Karl Rove. Americans should thank Fitzgerald and his staff for all the hard work and fighting the odds that were against them. This is just the beginning of alot more convictions to come. This case is part of a wider corruption plan unfolding and it involves most of the GOP and some Dems too. America was build on honesty and Americans working together. WWe can rebuild this country of ours as we clean up the corruption and crimes committed by the Bush Administration. As for Chris Matthews well he has a personal interest in this matter because of his involvement in the Libby case. He is up to his neck in the corruption of his friends in the White House.

Jeff — Hmmm, I don’t know if I agree. Matthews said they’d be devoting their show to it tomorrow night. If I was the producer I’d want something a little more conlusive than that Note shit to start booking guests on, you look a little stupid with a bunch of people sitting there and no particular news driving them. I don’t think they’ve got any clue about what’s going to happen in the GJ, or even if Fitzgerald is going to be there himself, but I’d wager (though not a whole lot of money) that they at least think they’ve got some kind of indepenent corroboration. It could all vaporize into bullshit quite easily, though, I admit.

If it were to happen, will be able to measure the number of indictments based on the size of the document dump that follows tomorrow afternoon?

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Well, I’m not chilling the champagne just yet… we’ve had plenty of false alarms throughout this investigation, and though Matthews’ intention to devote his show to it tomorrow does give at least some ring of credibility to speculation that Rove may finally get his frog-march tomorrow, this does seem to largely be the same sort of thing we get from The Note every week.

My prediction for tomorrow, based on absolutely nothing, is that we will be experiencing Fitzmas Interruptus yet again.

(But I have a bottle of Three Floyds “Rabid Rabbit” chilling in the beer fridge, just in case!)

Pretty hilarious.

I read the comment from above:
>the latest post at americablog is a mind-blower.

But I read it hours after it had been posted. By the time I got to Americablog, at 2:00 am, the latest post there was:

“Scooter-mania hits the US”

I thought, what in hell. Then I realized it wasn’t about Scooter Libby. It was about scooters, as in Vespas and mopeds.

I’m still no sure what was mind-blowing, because I can’t figure out how fdl time-stamps line up with americablog. Was it the Tribune blasting the phone-records spying? The ATT liable for $1 million? Or the Sandia labs report says world is 6,000 years old?

Anyway, I thought the scooter coincidence was hilarious.

Bedlam is dreaming of rain and bedtime is dreaming of Jane. Who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Just wonder if Rove can find among his pin-striped suits one that is not lined in the KKKsheets of the ancestors of the crowd he promotes..
Oh those tale-tale suits…
The one thing Rove did not figure in all his devious calculations was the ethnic makeup of a GJ in DC
What sweet, sweet justice..
Rosa, Coretta…I hear you girls singing in the Choir today..sweet sweet music..continuing your work from up there..

http://community-2.webtv.net/Velpics/HUM

something to give a peacful feeling while we wait

Oh no, not today – I don’t want Rove indictment today. Can we wait one more week please – pretty please? We got a 3-pointer with phone tap story right here. With Sunday shows and talk radio, MSM buzz, NSA phone tap story will drive down Bush numbers by at least 3. Will be in upper 20’s next wk (WSJ published today Harris poll at 29%). Then if Rove indictment comes next fri, it will be another 3-pointer or more and we will be in Nixon’s 22% territory.

Oh boy, I hope it’s the big day!

you look a little stupid with a bunch of people sitting there and no particular news driving them

And this has stopped them before, when exactly?

I think they’re just playing the odds. And I do think the odds are not bad. But not more than that.

I can’t wait until they “frog-march” that modern day, pudgy faced version of Joseph Goebbels out of the White House in handcuffs!

I’ve heard that BushCo will speak to the nation on Monday.

Do they already know something we don’t, regarding an indictment?

The correct translation is ” N’alimentez pas les trolls.”