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		<title>By: e p o n y m o u s</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-125004</link>
		<dc:creator>e p o n y m o u s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Bushco has enslaved Americans into a psychological reign of &quot;War on Terror&quot; that amounts to a criminal protection racket.  We are told we must be afraid.  That is, we are told we must live in terror.  This is to protect us from. . . terror.  Then, because we feel terrified, we must give up our freedom - freedom to write what we believe without fear of reprisal, freedom of due process and habeas corpus protection, freedom from secret intrusion into our private lives by government. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Bushco has enslaved Americans into a psychological reign of &quot;War on Terror&quot; that amounts to a criminal protection racket.  We are told we must be afraid.  That is, we are told we must live in terror.  This is to protect us from. . . terror.  Then, because we feel terrified, we must give up our freedom &#8211; freedom to write what we believe without fear of reprisal, freedom of due process and habeas corpus protection, freedom from secret intrusion into our private lives by government. […]</p>
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		<title>By: d. king</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-100954</link>
		<dc:creator>d. king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy Hardin Smith  says:&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; D.King at 191 â€” Sorry, I was in a hurry and couldnâ€™t find the pix I wanted on deadline.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, that’s cool; thanks.  Just blowing off steam….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CITI’s unauthorized use of the VLA on public TV commercials (or is it ‘cit’? — my own fact checking is not too good) really gets to me a lot more, but that’s all rather off topic…&lt;br /&gt;
Good article.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy Hardin Smith  says:<br />
&gt; D.King at 191 â€” Sorry, I was in a hurry and couldnâ€™t find the pix I wanted on deadline.</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s cool; thanks.  Just blowing off steam….</p>
<p>CITI’s unauthorized use of the VLA on public TV commercials (or is it ‘cit’? — my own fact checking is not too good) really gets to me a lot more, but that’s all rather off topic…<br />
Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: That American Chap</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-100121</link>
		<dc:creator>That American Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For what it’s worth (and it may not be much), there’s something very curious about the “get it all” approach that the NSA is going for (pushed by the Bushies).  Something about it keeps nagging at me, this weird sense that it’s really about this panicked self-protective mechanism of certain types in the administration.  Today, I read about a former Bush insider, Morgan Reynolds (he was the Labor Departments Chief Economist during 2001-2002) and how he’s jumped on the “9/11 truth” bandwagon, believing that it was an inside job designed to give support to a mid-east “long war”, increase military spending and dissolve constitutional civil liberties.  As he tells it, some of the players in the plot are on the verge of stepping forward, that they hadn’t realized how extensive the attack was going to be due to the compartmentalization” that the cells of the plot worked in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Needless to say, if this is true, it would trigger a constitutional crisis (how  in the hell hasn’t it been triggered yet?) and the Bushies are losing their minds trying to keep things together.  I’ve often wondered about the whole “secret prisons” thing, just why these guys felt they had to make a move like that…..and it could be that some of these guys they’ve kidnapped (maybe all of them?) have information, maybe gained inadvertently, accidentally, by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I mean, if you actually take a little bit of time to look into it, the whole “official story” of 9/11 is ridiculous and it’s highly likely that there are plenty of ordinary people who know (for a fact) that some part of the story is complete bullshit, because they were there!  Add to that the people who were involved, some of them following orders that made no sense at the time, watching how everything has unfolded, well, some of them might decide that being a true patriot is worth more than their life (which was likely threatened after the fact) and they want to step forward and tell what they know.  The Bushies would be watching them, looking for them to contact others (safety in numbers) so that they could step in front of the cameras together.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s some really interesting explanation as to why these clowns are going so far off the deep end with surveillance like this.  My guess is that it doesn’t have a thing to do with the “safety of the nation”, rather, the safety of people in power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it’s worth (and it may not be much), there’s something very curious about the “get it all” approach that the NSA is going for (pushed by the Bushies).  Something about it keeps nagging at me, this weird sense that it’s really about this panicked self-protective mechanism of certain types in the administration.  Today, I read about a former Bush insider, Morgan Reynolds (he was the Labor Departments Chief Economist during 2001-2002) and how he’s jumped on the “9/11 truth” bandwagon, believing that it was an inside job designed to give support to a mid-east “long war”, increase military spending and dissolve constitutional civil liberties.  As he tells it, some of the players in the plot are on the verge of stepping forward, that they hadn’t realized how extensive the attack was going to be due to the compartmentalization” that the cells of the plot worked in.</p>
<p>Needless to say, if this is true, it would trigger a constitutional crisis (how  in the hell hasn’t it been triggered yet?) and the Bushies are losing their minds trying to keep things together.  I’ve often wondered about the whole “secret prisons” thing, just why these guys felt they had to make a move like that…..and it could be that some of these guys they’ve kidnapped (maybe all of them?) have information, maybe gained inadvertently, accidentally, by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I mean, if you actually take a little bit of time to look into it, the whole “official story” of 9/11 is ridiculous and it’s highly likely that there are plenty of ordinary people who know (for a fact) that some part of the story is complete bullshit, because they were there!  Add to that the people who were involved, some of them following orders that made no sense at the time, watching how everything has unfolded, well, some of them might decide that being a true patriot is worth more than their life (which was likely threatened after the fact) and they want to step forward and tell what they know.  The Bushies would be watching them, looking for them to contact others (safety in numbers) so that they could step in front of the cameras together.  </p>
<p>There’s some really interesting explanation as to why these clowns are going so far off the deep end with surveillance like this.  My guess is that it doesn’t have a thing to do with the “safety of the nation”, rather, the safety of people in power.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99696</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 00:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;D.King at 191 — Sorry, I was in a hurry and couldn’t find the pix I wanted on deadline.  Trust me when I say that the VLA holds a special place in our household — I’m still holding out hope for “Contact” and all our computers run the SETI-at-home software.  I just shortcutted the pix, that’s all. (And, frankly, it’s only because I didn’t have time for the usual lengthy search due to it being Fiona’s day home from preschool day, and spending time with her is more important.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.King at 191 — Sorry, I was in a hurry and couldn’t find the pix I wanted on deadline.  Trust me when I say that the VLA holds a special place in our household — I’m still holding out hope for “Contact” and all our computers run the SETI-at-home software.  I just shortcutted the pix, that’s all. (And, frankly, it’s only because I didn’t have time for the usual lengthy search due to it being Fiona’s day home from preschool day, and spending time with her is more important.)</p>
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		<title>By: dejah thoris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99675</link>
		<dc:creator>dejah thoris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh, I’m as outraged as everybody else, but using a picture of the VLA in New Mexico, which isn’t even tuned to be able to listen to anything on the planet (it’s aimed at space folks) is wrong.  If we get something simple like this wrong (and it’s called fact-checking, folks) then our enemies on the right will assume we’re wrong about other things, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, get a picture of NSA spy dishes, but don’t use images of radio dishes that have NOTHING to do with the spy-on-Americans program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, I’m as outraged as everybody else, but using a picture of the VLA in New Mexico, which isn’t even tuned to be able to listen to anything on the planet (it’s aimed at space folks) is wrong.  If we get something simple like this wrong (and it’s called fact-checking, folks) then our enemies on the right will assume we’re wrong about other things, too.</p>
<p>So, get a picture of NSA spy dishes, but don’t use images of radio dishes that have NOTHING to do with the spy-on-Americans program.</p>
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		<title>By: Heraclitus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99673</link>
		<dc:creator>Heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Clarification … &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Verizon Wireless&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is saying they aren’t involved, not that &lt;b&gt;Verizon Landline&lt;/b&gt; is uninvolved&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sinking ships?  Quadrapedal mammals with scaley tails?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification … <b><em>Verizon Wireless</em></b> is saying they aren’t involved, not that <b>Verizon Landline</b> is uninvolved</p>
<p>Sinking ships?  Quadrapedal mammals with scaley tails?</p>
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		<title>By: Heraclitus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99669</link>
		<dc:creator>Heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Verizon is denying USA Today Report&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FYI, received the following from my Verizon rep:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
However, since your inquiry is a general one, I can provide information. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recent stories suggest that the Federal Government has been collecting the phone records of potentially millions of Americans as part of the war on terror. The stories specifically reference customer records of landline companies, including AT&amp;T and Verizon. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is NOT a story that affects Verizon Wireless customers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Verizon Wireless is not involved in this situation.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course what she says might be true.  It’s more of an assertion than I really expected at this stage of the game.  However if it proves to be false, which strikes me as easily possible,  I think we may have an interesting class action here.  Aspiring attorneys?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;
(Verizon rep’s name removed to protect employee’s privacy)&lt;br /&gt;
Verizon Wireless&lt;br /&gt;
Customer Service&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We never stop working for you!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Verizon is denying USA Today Report</b></p>
<p>FYI, received the following from my Verizon rep:</p>
<blockquote><p>
However, since your inquiry is a general one, I can provide information. </p>
<p>Recent stories suggest that the Federal Government has been collecting the phone records of potentially millions of Americans as part of the war on terror. The stories specifically reference customer records of landline companies, including AT&amp;T and Verizon. </p>
<p>This is NOT a story that affects Verizon Wireless customers. </p>
<p>Verizon Wireless is not involved in this situation.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Of course what she says might be true.  It’s more of an assertion than I really expected at this stage of the game.  However if it proves to be false, which strikes me as easily possible,  I think we may have an interesting class action here.  Aspiring attorneys?</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
(Verizon rep’s name removed to protect employee’s privacy)<br />
Verizon Wireless<br />
Customer Service</p>
<p>“We never stop working for you!”</p>
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		<title>By: d. king</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99657</link>
		<dc:creator>d. king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(Regarding the photo you used…).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;C’mon: please don’t use our telescope (the Very Large Array) as if the  neofascists use it to spy on us.  It looks, it doesn’t listen.  It looks at the far end of the universe, not the USA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s bad enough that CITI blares commercials constantly on (supposedly) public TV, acting as if their ‘worldwide financial expertise’ made it possible.  It was NSF (Natl, Sci. Foundation), not NSA funded; neither CITI nor NSA ever had/have anything to do with it….  grrr…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of hardworking astronomers made it, and still make it work; not a corporation, not a spy organization.  It only uncovers secrets of the universe.  Please go make your own power objects; thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dk&lt;br /&gt;
National Radio Astronomy Observatory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Regarding the photo you used…).</p>
<p>C’mon: please don’t use our telescope (the Very Large Array) as if the  neofascists use it to spy on us.  It looks, it doesn’t listen.  It looks at the far end of the universe, not the USA.</p>
<p>It’s bad enough that CITI blares commercials constantly on (supposedly) public TV, acting as if their ‘worldwide financial expertise’ made it possible.  It was NSF (Natl, Sci. Foundation), not NSA funded; neither CITI nor NSA ever had/have anything to do with it….  grrr…..</p>
<p>A lot of hardworking astronomers made it, and still make it work; not a corporation, not a spy organization.  It only uncovers secrets of the universe.  Please go make your own power objects; thanks.</p>
<p>dk<br />
National Radio Astronomy Observatory.</p>
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		<title>By: KnightErrant</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99644</link>
		<dc:creator>KnightErrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remember, the NSA is a Pentagon agency. It is the &lt;b&gt;military&lt;/b&gt; that is spying upon us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, the NSA is a Pentagon agency. It is the <b>military</b> that is spying upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn from Sunnyvale</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/11/are-they-listening/#comment-99623</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn from Sunnyvale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve already noticed one way they’re trying to spin this. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’re claiming “Oh, don’t worry, we can’t possible go through all this data *now.* Just because we know every person you’ve communicated with doesn’t mean we care…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember, your laptop would have been a supercomputer not too long ago. Even if they can’t completely search all of their database now, not too long from now they’ll be able to easily.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyways, secondary arguments are part of the smoke and mirrors- What’s the NSA doing with the  communication-connections of the entire US population in the first place? When did we debate giving *anyone* the entire connections-records of 300 million people?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d also like to call attention to the EFF- the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a small non-profit that &lt;b&gt;sued AT&amp;T in January because of this NSA giveaway. The EFF lawsuit is where the first whistleblower came out to give  additional support to the lawsuit, which in turn led to all this additional press attention.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because the EFF works at the intersection of law and technology, their issues may seem obscure. What the EFF does is make sure all civil rights get upheld in cyberspace, and they’ve been doing this before most people were online.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this case proves exactly how important the EFF’s work over the past 16 years has been, and I encourage people to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/&quot;&gt;read what they do&lt;/a&gt; and then donate. They get an amazing amount of important work done for a small non-profit. Disclaimer: I’m a long-time supporter of the EFF and friends with people there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve already noticed one way they’re trying to spin this. </p>
<p>They’re claiming “Oh, don’t worry, we can’t possible go through all this data *now.* Just because we know every person you’ve communicated with doesn’t mean we care…”</p>
<p>Remember, your laptop would have been a supercomputer not too long ago. Even if they can’t completely search all of their database now, not too long from now they’ll be able to easily.</p>
<p>Anyways, secondary arguments are part of the smoke and mirrors- What’s the NSA doing with the  communication-connections of the entire US population in the first place? When did we debate giving *anyone* the entire connections-records of 300 million people?</p>
<p>I’d also like to call attention to the EFF- the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a small non-profit that <b>sued AT&amp;T in January because of this NSA giveaway. The EFF lawsuit is where the first whistleblower came out to give  additional support to the lawsuit, which in turn led to all this additional press attention.</b> </p>
<p>Because the EFF works at the intersection of law and technology, their issues may seem obscure. What the EFF does is make sure all civil rights get upheld in cyberspace, and they’ve been doing this before most people were online.</p>
<p>I think this case proves exactly how important the EFF’s work over the past 16 years has been, and I encourage people to <a href="http://www.eff.org/">read what they do</a> and then donate. They get an amazing amount of important work done for a small non-profit. Disclaimer: I’m a long-time supporter of the EFF and friends with people there.</p>
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