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		<title>By: No Blood for Hubris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-97134</link>
		<dc:creator>No Blood for Hubris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I prefer the term “Bushist fascist,” myself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Said twenty times real fast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the term “Bushist fascist,” myself.</p>
<p>Said twenty times real fast.</p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96708</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think y’all should look up the word conservative in the dictionary, and then you’ll find that it doesn’t and never has applied to the GOP.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think y’all should look up the word conservative in the dictionary, and then you’ll find that it doesn’t and never has applied to the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Drone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96290</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Drone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just think about it!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A person making a million dollars a year could &lt;b&gt;give it all&lt;/b&gt; to the US government, and it would still take &lt;b&gt;10 million YEARS&lt;/b&gt; to pay off our current debt ceiling.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US Debt Ceiling	 $10,000,000,000,000&lt;br /&gt;
A million a year          $1,000,000&lt;br /&gt;
Years to pay off	  10,000,000&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So those millionaires need the tax break, don’t you see? With all that debt to pay off, they need some relief.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They call it “Middle Class tax relief,” and believe me, they’ve relieved the Middle Class of just about all we’ve got!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ed&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think about it!</p>
<p>A person making a million dollars a year could <b>give it all</b> to the US government, and it would still take <b>10 million YEARS</b> to pay off our current debt ceiling.</p>
<p>US Debt Ceiling	 $10,000,000,000,000<br />
A million a year          $1,000,000<br />
Years to pay off	  10,000,000</p>
<p>So those millionaires need the tax break, don’t you see? With all that debt to pay off, they need some relief.</p>
<p>They call it “Middle Class tax relief,” and believe me, they’ve relieved the Middle Class of just about all we’ve got!</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96288</link>
		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 19:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Republicans see that the party is going to end soon.  So they have a last orgy of treasury looting while they still can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans see that the party is going to end soon.  So they have a last orgy of treasury looting while they still can.</p>
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		<title>By: DAB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96168</link>
		<dc:creator>DAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 18:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Donna and all-I feel the same way, secure but not. This “Government” is the burden those with tax breaks won’t have to pay. Couldn’t sleep the other night thinking I should sell everything and buy gold. Then today heard on CNBC china was going to take more of it for themselves-dollars are already worthless. What will the Halliburton detention camps be used for? Why diid we have a silent majority before? Because Americans are afraid to loose want they have for principles. In the meantime forces are coming full circle. True compassionate conservatives, constitutionalists, liberals can fight the same fight together-we should watch our language. You should find our common voice of unity. Anyone wanting to be president should walk through the FDR memorial and realize that so many ideals that FDR expressed and congress put into action re: care , compassion  and justice are engrained american values. And they have always been opposed by the greedy. Sadly our congress is part of the ruling class like the rubber stamp party bosses of the USSR. It always gets the blood flowing to watch Mr. Smith goes to Washington, or to borrow a quote from Gary Cooper in John Doe and then realize that ideals can be unified by a voice willing to express them. FDL is a great starting point- perhaps the tipping point to a new Democracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna and all-I feel the same way, secure but not. This “Government” is the burden those with tax breaks won’t have to pay. Couldn’t sleep the other night thinking I should sell everything and buy gold. Then today heard on CNBC china was going to take more of it for themselves-dollars are already worthless. What will the Halliburton detention camps be used for? Why diid we have a silent majority before? Because Americans are afraid to loose want they have for principles. In the meantime forces are coming full circle. True compassionate conservatives, constitutionalists, liberals can fight the same fight together-we should watch our language. You should find our common voice of unity. Anyone wanting to be president should walk through the FDR memorial and realize that so many ideals that FDR expressed and congress put into action re: care , compassion  and justice are engrained american values. And they have always been opposed by the greedy. Sadly our congress is part of the ruling class like the rubber stamp party bosses of the USSR. It always gets the blood flowing to watch Mr. Smith goes to Washington, or to borrow a quote from Gary Cooper in John Doe and then realize that ideals can be unified by a voice willing to express them. FDL is a great starting point- perhaps the tipping point to a new Democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96153</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, we can NOT stop calling them conservatives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This has been their game all along, they’ve just wrapped themselves in the trappings of ’sensible, small government’ types so they could gain access to the treasury and bleed it dry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we can NOT stop calling them conservatives.</p>
<p>This has been their game all along, they’ve just wrapped themselves in the trappings of ’sensible, small government’ types so they could gain access to the treasury and bleed it dry.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96150</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Harald (141) — I’m trying to teach my kids that the market has an immediate impact on how a segment of the population responds. I’m also trying to teach them several other key things, ugly but true: the investor class dictates what happens to their lives and the only way to surmount this is to become an investor; there are trade-offs between money spent and money invested (I bought shares in Apple instead of buying an iPod and I showed them we can do a lot more with the money invested than we can with an iPod).  This is what most kids in the lowest deciles never learn; many of them will struggle to ever have a bank account with a sustained balance.  I’d like to ensure my kids teach other kids the same things, especially their friends who don’t have parents teaching them this kind of stuff.  So yeah, we do watch the market EVERY DAY, although we may only track a couple of stocks (not the whole college fund portfolio) and monitor how management and consumers’ and investors’ decisions affect value.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And truthfully, watching CNBC gradually migrate from Bush sycophancy to Bush skepticism and now Bush suspicion over the last 9 months has been extremely entertaining.  Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harald (141) — I’m trying to teach my kids that the market has an immediate impact on how a segment of the population responds. I’m also trying to teach them several other key things, ugly but true: the investor class dictates what happens to their lives and the only way to surmount this is to become an investor; there are trade-offs between money spent and money invested (I bought shares in Apple instead of buying an iPod and I showed them we can do a lot more with the money invested than we can with an iPod).  This is what most kids in the lowest deciles never learn; many of them will struggle to ever have a bank account with a sustained balance.  I’d like to ensure my kids teach other kids the same things, especially their friends who don’t have parents teaching them this kind of stuff.  So yeah, we do watch the market EVERY DAY, although we may only track a couple of stocks (not the whole college fund portfolio) and monitor how management and consumers’ and investors’ decisions affect value.  </p>
<p>And truthfully, watching CNBC gradually migrate from Bush sycophancy to Bush skepticism and now Bush suspicion over the last 9 months has been extremely entertaining.  Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Squid</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96117</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Can we stop calling them “conservatives” now? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, you cannot and should not stop calling them “conservatives”, at least if you want to make “conservatism” a toxic term like I do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://drsquid.blogspot.com/2006/02/are-conservatives-really-betraying.html&quot;&gt;Fiscal responsibility really has nothing to do with what conservatism really is&lt;/a&gt;. What it is is a black mark on America, against all of the ideals that made us start this country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can we stop calling them “conservatives” now? </i></p>
<p>No, you cannot and should not stop calling them “conservatives”, at least if you want to make “conservatism” a toxic term like I do.</p>
<p><a href="http://drsquid.blogspot.com/2006/02/are-conservatives-really-betraying.html">Fiscal responsibility really has nothing to do with what conservatism really is</a>. What it is is a black mark on America, against all of the ideals that made us start this country.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96087</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I attended a trade show in Dallas last year and I could’t wait to leave it all behind.  What a dreary place,IMO.  Right before the hurricane, I attended another show in New Orleans and I loved it immediately.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a trade show in Dallas last year and I could’t wait to leave it all behind.  What a dreary place,IMO.  Right before the hurricane, I attended another show in New Orleans and I loved it immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacifica</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/09/sneaking-in-another-debt-ceiling-rise/#comment-96072</link>
		<dc:creator>Pacifica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I spent 6 years living in Texas.  It made me realize that a lot of people had a fundamentally different world view than I had experienced while living in more liberal environments.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many people believed that what they had what was soley due to their own individual efforts and that people who had less, well, it was their own fault.  There was no concept of appreciation for growing up in an environment that afforded them a good education or wealthy parents that provided an example of how to succeed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since less fortunate people have only themselves to blame, why should the more fortunate help them.  Since the fabric of society played no role in the success of the more fortunate, they have no obligation  to support and maintain it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hated this harsh and cruel point of view and was glad to move back to a more progressive community.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent 6 years living in Texas.  It made me realize that a lot of people had a fundamentally different world view than I had experienced while living in more liberal environments.  </p>
<p>Many people believed that what they had what was soley due to their own individual efforts and that people who had less, well, it was their own fault.  There was no concept of appreciation for growing up in an environment that afforded them a good education or wealthy parents that provided an example of how to succeed.</p>
<p>Since less fortunate people have only themselves to blame, why should the more fortunate help them.  Since the fabric of society played no role in the success of the more fortunate, they have no obligation  to support and maintain it.</p>
<p>I hated this harsh and cruel point of view and was glad to move back to a more progressive community.</p>
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