
So, President 31% and counting (as of the latest USA Today/Gallup poll — down 3 percentage points in a single week, so heckuva job, Bushie) lost his CIA Director on Friday. Porter Goss is leaving the Agency in even more disarray than when he took over the job, according to multiple news reports today. (See here, here, here, and here, just as four examples.)
Let’s ask ourselves a question: if George Bush lost faith in Porter Goss quite a while ago, which was a spin thread that was fronted over and over by journalists over the weekend, why did he remain in the job for so long? If so much damage was being done to the CIA by Goss’ incompetent management, inept cronyism appointments and the like — all of which has driven out some of the most experienced counterintelligence operatives who have the boots on the ground humint knowledge that the Agency so desperately needs right now — why was he left there to continue to make a mess of things until last Friday?
If the Administration is going to use Goss’ incompetence as its scapegoat reason to explain away his resignation (and I’m not saying there isn’t something to it, frankly), then the public has a right to know just how screwed up the CIA is because of his tenure there and just why this President left him in place for so long to continue to do damage to the Agency at a time when its human intel capabilities, especially, are so sorely needed for our national security. And if it is not the case that this was a problem, then I’d like to know exactly why Goss did leave, and how much damage whatever that reason is has caused to the Agency.
William Arkin has a fantastic post up on his Early Warning blog today, that is sure to piss off the Kool-aid-iest of the Bushistas, but the truth of the matter is that he is saying things that I’ve been hearing from disaffected intel types for months.
…If we face an intelligence "crisis," it isn’t because Jimmy Carter fired all of the case officers or the Clinton administration hand cuffed human intelligence with legal restrictions. It is because we have built a voracious and expensive intelligence infrastructure to support the survival of American society against the Soviet Union, an infrastructure, a "community," a bureaucracy, an establishment, that not only doesn’t have its traditional enemy but is at the same time unable to stuff the threat of "terrorism" into the old ways and the old models of doing things.
I know government officials insist that they are working to change from those old ways to that they can address the new enemy and the new war. Beltway narcissism also depends on the daydream that all of the reorganization and those commissions and the inquiries and the directives are addressing and solving the problems.
The problem though is that American society is neither mobilized nor particularly motivated to seriously fight the enemy the government has designated.
This says to me that American society can see clearer than either the administration or the intelligence analysts. Since people intuitively know that a few thousand terrorists, even with endless rolling recruitment ranks, can’t destroy our society or the West, people go about their day-to-day business while at the same time being profoundly unhappy with government and unsatisfied by the characterization of the threat.
I’m not suggesting here that society is so decadent and clueless that they need the government, and particularly the secret services, to protect them from an ugly world they are just not willing to acknowledge. Instead, I’m saying people are right. They want an honest assessment from Washington, a sense of accountability and proportion, they want to see progress, and they want to stop feeling like they are being taxed and manipulated to sustain a Washington and New York power center.
Five years after 9/11, the Bush administration acts as if it is not responsible for the CIA not having enough case officers, that it is not responsible for Osama being out there still, that it is not responsible for botched analysis….
This is a very long term fight that we have on our hands — and it is one that pits moderation against extremism in a clash of philosophies and wills. And it is a battle that we have been losing, repeatedly, because our leadership has not had the strength of character and of purpose to even be honest with itself — let alone with the American public.
Take, for example, this window into the Bush Administration’s treatment of honest "call it like I see it" analysis:
Goss got off to a shaky start because he was seen as a man on a political mission. CIA officers regard themselves as professionals, doing a dangerous job for the country. They know they work for civilian bosses. But like military officers, they want to be treated with respect. Though Goss long ago served as a CIA case officer, he arrived from Capitol Hill with a phalanx of conservative aides, soon dubbed the "Gosslings," who viewed the agency as a liberal, leak-prone opponent of conservative causes. That image is mostly nonsense — many of the people forced out by the Gosslings were ex-military officers who would be tempted to shoot Democrats on sight, and most veterans cheered Goss’s effort to stop press leaks. Goss’s attacks on senior officers were reckless, and they peeled away a generation of senior CIA managers. Sadly, the Bush White House mostly applauded his jihad on what they viewed as CIA naysayers.
An example of the political frictions that harmed the agency involved CIA reporting from Iraq. From late 2003 on, the agency was warning about the rise of the Iraqi insurgency and the failings of the administration’s political strategy. In 2004 the CIA station chief in Baghdad was sending warnings every 60 days, in special messages known as "AARDWOLF" cables, about the deteriorating situation. This candid and largely correct reporting is said to have angered White House officials, who complained that the Baghdad chief was defeatist and not a team player. At the end of his tour, he was punished with a poor assignment.
Get that? The officer was given a crap assignment because he told the truth to the Administration about how badly things were going in Iraq – which is exactly what the CIA is paid to do. (And why David Ignatius is only reporting on this now, as opposed to when it happened, is a question I’d love to have answered. I’m hoping it’s because he only heard the story, and not because he’s been sitting on it, given its implications for national security concerns.)
This is by no means the sole example of the Bush Administration pushing aside any and all information that doesn’t fit how it wants to see the world. There’s the whole hand-picked audience for public "town hall meetings" ruse. There’s the ask people to resign or retire who don’t tell you what you want to hear (O’Neill, Shinseki, etc.) There are a whole host of other examples — all of which add up to a big set of questions, even for typically loyal types like Peggy Noonan, who wrote in the WSJ Opinion Journal that:
George W. Bush, on the other hand, does not tolerate dissent, argument, bitter internal battles. He is the decider. He decides, and the White House carries through. He is loyal to his aides, who carry out his wishes. (It is unclear whether this is a loyalty born of emotional connection or one born of calculation: Do it my way and the tong protects you.) His loyalty means they will most likely not be fired or leaked against, no matter what heat they take from the outside. And so his aides move forward with the sharpness and edge of those who know their livelihoods and status are secure. Bruce Bartlett has written of how, as a conservative economist, he was treated with courtesy by the Clinton White House, which occasionally sought out his views. But once he’d offered mild criticisms of the Bush White House he was shut out, and rudely, by Bush staffers. Why would they be like that? Because they believe that as a conservative, Mr. Bartlett owes his loyalty to the president. He thought his loyalty was to principles.
There are many stories like this, from many others. It leaves friends on the outside having to self-censor or accept designation as The Enemy. It leaves a distinguished former government official and prominent Republican saying, in conversation, "Those people aren’t drinking the Kool-Aid, they’re sucking it from a spigot!"
How far has the President crossed the line when he loses Peggy Noonan?
ABC News is working hard to portray Gen. Hayden, the nominee to fill Goss’ shoes as DCI, as a "fighter." In a three-biscuit article from the ABC reporting lapdogs, we learn that defending the illegal domestic NSA surveillance without warrants is a brave, even noble, calling:
Hayden’s public defense of the warrantless surveillance program showed his aggressiveness and his ability to dispense with a general’s jargon….
"These are communications that we have reason to believe are al-Qaida communications, a judgment made by American intelligence professionals, not folks like me or political appointees," he said.
"So let me make this clear. When you’re talking to your daughter at state college, this program cannot intercept your conversations. And when she takes a semester abroad to complete her Arabic studies, this program will not intercept your communications," Hayden said.
Wow, I feel so much better. How about you? Especially given the pass on all things accountability and oversight by the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress over the last few years.
My big concern on the nomination of Gen. Hayden to the DCI post is that, as a man who continues to wear the uniform of his country while doing the job, will he have any measure of independence to tell things like they are when they need to be said that way? Or will chain of command prevent him from calling the President on the carpet for a bad decision — or a piss poor interpretation — or a rose-colored glasses scenario?
This Administration’s track record in refusing to listen to internal criticism and dissent (or external, for that matter) is substantial. Can we afford to risk our national security and our intelligence capabilties by adding a man constrained by his oath in uniform to follow the orders of his Commander in Chief? THAT is a question well worth asking by the Senators on the Intelligence Committee.
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Fitz Me!
Damn. I just missed the deuce today.
2nd Fitz!!!
From Raw Story, from the “its about time” department:
Ranking Homeland Security Democrat requests inquiry into limousine contractor in hooker deal: Developing…
Colbert! Hadda do it
I’ll never get a Fitz…
I want to see 29% soon.
Bush: “It’s haaaard woooorrk identifying incompetence in my administration.”
Don’t despair Matt O. I think we are all getting a Fitz soon. :>)
As we know, reality has a well known liberal bias, so anyone reporting the realities on the ground has to be a liberal.
Sharon– but all he has to do is look in the mirror; oh that’s right, ghouls like him can’t see their reflection…
Soon they will have to re-name the CIA to FUBAR.
angie
I’ll keep my chin up… because it’s going to be in a beer mug when Rove gets indicted in celebration of the American justice system. (It’s gotta work at some point.)
Playbook Republican closeout move…Send in people to bollix things up sub rosa, then trumpet publically: ‘Look how bad things are, the institution needs to change or go’…Hoping that no one will connect the acts with the outputs.
They can’t do it any other way but undermining…That’s how these termites work.
Developing story on CNN: Slipping “Joementum”
darkblack
I am really worried about Rovian dirty tricks. If we lose in November, that’s how, not by a legit vote.
This goes to Redshift below as well, but I don’t buy for a minute that he is a “good soldier” just carrying on – at least, not anymore. Not after five years of instituting, overseeing and covering up for felonious programs, lieing to Congress, fibbing to Congress and the American people, forgetting to the point of a Judas-like thrice denial of the Fourth Amendment with warrant clause, and giving his affirmation that there is no datamining program going on (what is the AT&T shutdown then?) etc.
At one point, he might have been a good soldier. ONce he decided to become a criminal and then kept that up for half a decade – well – it makes it a bit harder to claim highground when you’re in the middle of a cesspool. He knows what he has done is illegal and he knows about obeying illegal orders. He knows about fibbing to Congress. He knows that all it requires for him to look at extreme and serious consequences is for a few good men to stand up.
When your goal in life is now to prevent good men from doing their job – you aren’t on the right side anymore.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-93695
Here’s what I don’t understand – upthread there is a comment that:
McGovern was commenting positively on Hayden an hour ago on C-SPAN. McGovern said Hayden will restore the morale which he had two minutes earlier said was “fine†at the CIA.
How does that tie to his January piece?
sunny– great article on bloggers and Joe in the Hartford Courant via Common Dreams:
>>>>>>>>>
Since http://www.dumpjoe.com made its debut last year, several other blogs and websites (timetogojoe.com and myleftnutmeg.com, to name two) have been launched, a “Dump Joe” video project is being planned and a tide of anti-Lieberman activity has been spreading on the Internet. With enthusiasm reminiscent of the Howard Dean presidential campaign, these Democrats plan to take down the senator many helped put in office.
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..508-01.htm
Matt O. @ 16:
Maybe Karl should start wondering if someone has a file on him, and what the trigger will be for the use of its contents.
‘Just because you’re paranoid…’
;>)
Three key points made by Shuster:
1. The latest court documents, for the first time, name Rove as a subject of the investigation.
2. The court documents go out of their way to say that Rove will not be called as a witness in Scooter Libby’s trial, even though Rove is a key part of the narrative. Shuster notes that this is done when prosecutors want to “leave open the possibility of later charging that particular subject in a separate case.â€
3. Rove is referred in court documents as “Official A.†Shuster says “in every single case we have found, Keith, that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald when he designates somebody as Official A in an indictment, that person eventually does get indicted themselves.â€
http://www.capitolhillblue.com…..8574.shtml
Christy – it’s not just his chain of command issues vis a vis independence. It is that he is tied in with the criminal violations of VISA and the Civil rights act and other federal wiretap provisions (esp if the AT&T suit goes forward) such that his personal interests rely upon and are tied directly to the PResident.
GWB’s think tank could double as a school of etiquette. Everyone on staff will start each speech with “Pardon me, . . . “
Folks: our goal here for the Preznit to break is 27% which is the vote certified-wingnut Alan Keyes got when running for Senator in Illinois in 2004.
Mary @ 17– I keep looking for a transcript or something on McGovern from today– ET heard it on cspan. No luck thus far.
Do we have a right to know how badly the CIA is screwed up? We pay their salaries, they work for us and are supposed to be protecting us. Of course we have no right to know! (It’s for our own protection -ha)
And the “Intelligence Committees” (there’s an oxymoron for ya) can ask if he’ll be independent, but do you think he’ll tell the truth? That is, of course I’m not independent, I’ll do what I’m told and spy on whomever is please. Come on people, what do you think is going to happen other than this oh so predictable scenario?
Do they want Hayden in because a dust-up over warrentless eavesdropping during his nomination hearings will make political hay for the administration? Or just because he knows where the bodies are buried? Or is it that they actually don’t want him for the job but want the Senate to do the dirty work by voting against his nomination?
What does any of this have to do with gay hookers?
Christy and Jane -
The amount of study and clear analysis y’all do is amazing. Simply amazing, and a totally patriotic public service.
Nice job. You can count on a military man to tow the party line. I am surprised they didn’t appoint Hayden in the first place. Guess he had not put the finishing touches on the warrantless wiretapping project at NSA.
thanks angie @ #18, I’ll go read it now.
Hayden looks like someone I know but I cannot put my finger on it.
Just beating this to death I know, but where Hayden says that he was told by the AG that it was a “legal order” to institute the program – I’d sure like to know how the Order and the Legal Opinion deal with telling lies to and making misrepresentations to Congress about violations of existing US law in the coverup of the warrantless domestic wiretap efforts.
So -the AG gave him a legal op that said it is a “legal order” to lie to Congress?
Love to see that – don’t doubt that it exists what with the legal opinion that we can round Citizens up and turn them over secretly without habeas (btw – watched GoodNight, Good Luck over the weekend – watch the clip it runs of the speech on the habeas act) for torture and disposal.
FWIW – UK’s AG – not so on board with our approach.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk…..83,00.html
UK Attorney General Calls for Guantanamo to Close
Little and late, but better than we are doing. The UK’s chief legal adviser (Lord Goldsmith) is reportedly set to denounce the continuing Guantanamo situation and call for closure.
“It is time, in my view, that it should close.” . . . it is clear he has harboured grave doubts for some time over the legality of Guantanamo under international law.
“There are certain principles on which there can be no compromise,” Goldsmith will say. “Fair trial is one of those – which is the reason we in the UK were unable to accept that the US military tribunals proposed for those detained at Guantanamo Bay offered sufficient guarantees of a fair trial in accordance with international standards.”
TRIALS? Really – those “quaint archaic†devices – is there someplace that still believes in those? Have a crew prepared to heimlich Gonzales, Ashcroft and the rest of the cartel that seems so sold on the “nah, let’s just get rid of those pesky things and go with secret detention, torture and no-rules death tribunals.â€
Goldsmith’s speech will be welcomed by human rights groups and senior members of the judiciary who have long campaigned for the government to use its influence to persuade its ally to close the camp. The former Law Lord, Lord Steyn, now chairman of the human rights group, Justice, said last month that ‘while our government condones Guantánamo Bay the world is perplexed about our approach to the rule of law.’
Perplexed. There’s a good word. I can think of others.
Steyn made it clear that if the British government were to criticise Guantánamo it would have significant consequences. ‘You may ask: how will it help in regard to the continuing outrage at Guantánamo Bay for our government now to condemn it?’ Steyn said. ‘The answer is that it would at last be a powerful signal to the world that Britain supports the international rule of law.’
Of course, here we would only have to go so far as supporting the NATIONAL rule of law, vis a vis things like the War Crimes Act, conventions and treaties adopted by Congress that become a part of our law, etc. Unfortunately, the US signal for the “rule of law†is and remains classified.
‘America’s idea of what is torture is not the same as ours and does not appear to coincide with that of most civilised nations,’ Collins [a UK high court judge] said.
Can someone please ’splain to me why the WH is saying they don’t have a letter from Iran? Just heard it on NPR again– is this letter traveling via the Pony Express or what? Slow boat from the Strait of Hormuz?
I can’t help but think Goss found out he was about to be fingered in this whole “hookers at Watergate” gambling ring and he promptly bit the bullet.
I can’t figure out the insanity of the MSM reporting he resigned because one of his hires might have been involved. One wouldn’t resign that quickly over what someone ELSE did.
I believe he is personally involved and had no choice.
We’ll all find out eventually.
how are they gonna portray someone who makes james watt look tough as being a ‘fighter’?
Oh Redd you are so cruel!
hayden looks like mr. wilson from dennis the menace with his head shaved.
(shudder)
Josh Marshall is citing a NY Sun article that says Negroponte agreed to move clandestine operations to the DOD.
Matt O #29
I feel the same way. Maybe Kurtwood Smith, the dad from that 70s Show?
BTW I photoshopped some pictures of Hayden if anybody wants ‘em. He looks creepy in one of the Imperial uniforms from Star Wars. His head to body ratio is just not quite normal.
I was thinking more along the lines of Elmer Fudd.
Christy–
I still want to know what you did with our dear Reddhedd, but with lines like:
“In a three-biscuit article from the ABC reporting lapdogs,”
I may warm up to you yet (and for an amphibious Ohioan, that’s saying something).
he also looks like a bald, evil-brother to Bill Moyers.
no matter what he looks like, it ain’t good. that bulbous head glued atop his uniform makes him look like he’s more suited to be bobbing his dome in the back window of a 1963 comet than running CIA.
cleter
Yeah, I could see that. Kurtwood Smith has played an Air Force general in a movie or two before. Perhaps that’s what I was thinking of.
In the great RWCole Job Approval Jamboree a while back, I predicted Bush enters the twenties on May 18. Just a reminder. Next week, Nixonesque JARs.
Christy, I think you are missing the point. Goss was not at the CIA to straighten it out. He was put there to disarrange it. The Cheney Administration wants the CIA gone and the intelligence organizations tucked away comfortably withing the Pentagon where Mr. Rumsfeld can control them. Mr. Goss was doing his job pretty well by neo-con standards. His abrupt resignation probably has another root cause. I am guessing that he is somehow linked to another mess or scandal that is close to breaking and getting Goss out of the way immediately was more in the nature of damage control.
Matt O. sez:
Have you ever seen the babies in formaldehyde at a medical museum? Now imagine a really mean one.
So – who will end up with the black prison sites and rendition programs and offsite tortured “detainees” who can’t be tried without a travesty?
DOD?
Rumsfeld will be so happy.
Matt O, Jim in LA
If you stick his head on General Veers’ (Empire Strikes Back) body, he looks really creepy. Especially with the incongruous smile in the picture I had. Ew. It’s disturbing.
Then:
Now:
Why isn’t Bush’s complete inability to choose the right person for critical positions not a major issue? Brownie, Meier, Chertoff, Goss, all total screwups…
Matt O #29
the dad on that 70’s show: Curtwood Smith
or character actor John Fiedler (voice of piglet in Disney Pooh, ‘White Guy’ in Raisin in the Sun, and poker playing buddy in Odd Couple)
In regards of Negroponte reportedly giving the green light to moving clandestine operations from the CIA to the DOD:
If I could quote one of my all-time favorite films, JFK:
Central Intelligence Agency
1947 – 2006
Mary, #30
What Collins meant, of course:
America’s idea of what is torture is not the same as ours and does not appear to coincide with that of civilised nations,’ Collins [a UK high court judge] said.
#17 Mary says:
May 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Here’s what I don’t understand – upthread there is a comment that:
McGovern was commenting positively on Hayden an hour ago on C-SPAN. McGovern said Hayden will restore the morale which he had two minutes earlier said was “fine†at the CIA.
this must be BS : i just listened to McGovern on Laura Flander’s radio nation AA show from yesterday. i pod cast it this morning and mcgoven was a guest and BASHED hayden big time. in fact he said that hayden should be court martialed for the nas program.
ot: love your comments mary!!!
In a three-biscuit article from the ABC reporting lapdogs…
brilliant line. how long do they have to stay up on their hind legs to get the biscuits?
Great article. I too have to highlight “In a three-biscuit article from the ABC reporting lapdogs”
Christy, I mean Reddhedd, (oh, I’m so confused),
Great post, but I’m wondering one thing: why does Peggy Noonan hate America?
I think the problem is that this administration sees absolutely everything through a lens of who is for them and who is against them, and have concentrated their efforts on making over every agency into cookie-cutter, group-thinking Stepford organizations filled with those who have proved that they will never stray from the party line.
This, to me, is a recipe for disaster. Rather than seeing the threats from the outside, too much time is spent focusing on threats from within, with the result that every career government employee has to be on the defensive trying to protect his or her job, instead of doing the job they were trained to do. It makes everyone fearful of voicing their independent thoughts, of speaking up when they see something wrong, and I think it leaves the kinds of gaping holes – albeit of a differnt origin – that we have allegedly spent the last five years trying to fix.
This emphasis on weeding out those who have not proven their loyalty to Bush seems more likely to produce KGB-type organizations. And rather than making us all safer from attacks from without, it subjects us to attacks on our civil rights, and threatens to collapse our long-standing freedoms, from within. To me, that is much more terrifying than the possiblity that outside terrorists will ever attack again.
It’s well past time to take these people out of power.
Hayden = that creepy puppet, Chuckie
What up V.G.?
How’s the grant proposal coming along?
Mary #s 17, 21, 30: I missed Redshift, but I think I was the source for calling the General a “good soldier.” But I didn’t mean an honorable soldier. I meant someone willing to follow orders and not question authority, especially constitutional/legal advice from the US AG. I then said the problem with the man is not that he is a soldier so much as that he is unlikely to be independent and strong enough to speak truth (intelligence) to power. That view seems consistent with your assessment — so we just use the term “good soldier” differently??
Stepping back, I think we need both good intelligence gathering and good intelligence analysis. The CIA vs Negroponte division strikes me as artificially separating these two closely linked functions. On top of that, once you get good intelligence and info-back analysis, you need mature/wise judgment exercised by decision-makers on what to do with this intelligence. Here, the system completely collapses in the Bush neocon WH.
So the Hayden nomination is symptomatic of several problems: lack of independent CIA, artificial division between collection and analysis (including credibility of sources analysis) and the complete separation from wise decision making. These are all the consequences of Bush’s reign.
Oh yeah, and then there’s the cronyism and likely corruption/blackmail possibilities on top of that.
Matt O: “Hayden looks like someone I know…”
Himmler?
Mary $ 29
“he was told by the AG that it was a “legal order†to institute the program “
hey now, I remember when this story broke in Decmeber, WH tried to say immed. after 9/11 they went to discuss like programs at NSA only to ‘find out’ NSA was already running the program
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/…..pdate.html
Summary with links to various articles.
==A widening investigation into a corruption scandal in Congress may have played a key role in the decision by the White House to ask Central Intelligence Agency Director Porter Goss to step down.
[]Intelligence sources said Goss has denied attending the parties as CIA director, but that left open whether he may have attended as a Republican congressman from Florida who was head of the House Intelligence Committee.
[]Harpers.org, the website of Harper’s Magazine, reported in late April that the FBI was investigating “current and former lawmakers on Defense and Intelligence comittees” as part of the scandal investigation. ===
VG 53 – great likes think a mind. wait, that doesn’t make any sense.
OT but way cool: TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Gov. Jeb Bush said Monday that U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris has dropped so low in public opinion polls she cannot beat Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson in November.
re the Noonan piece (”…Do it my way and the tong protects you.)”… :
George W. Bush Thing Tong
cleter @ 42 – I have the 19th !
and if anyone should be photoshopped standing next to the Emperor in Star Wars, it’s Michael Jerkoff
*ilson46201
Hang on Katherine! Stick it out!
Hi Matt O.! Workin’ on it. Semester over except for final. Finally. Mailed you something. Look for it in a day or two. Did the email stuff get sorted out so that you can get P’s email?
CNN Wolfman says he’s going to cover the fight that Lieberman is facing in Connecticut.
LAMONT!
Leslie in CA, I just read about the Wrongness Singularity #138 in the last thread. That was excellent. I loved the comments too and the discussion of wrongons. Would the messenger particles for these be “wangers”, just asking?
WRT Hayden and the Bush GWOT and Bush/Rove politics in general, I keep thinking of quotes from the Godfather movies:
Michael Corleone: I don’t feel I have to wipe everybody out, Tom. Just my enemies.
Michael Corleone: Tell me something, Ma. What did Papa think — deep in his heart? He was being strong — strong for his family. But by being strong for his family — could he — lose it?
And, of course, my own reaction to all this which can be best summed up by that quote from the movie producer in Godfather I: AAAAAAWWWWWW! AAAAAAAAWWWWWWW! AAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!
yeah, Katherine, hang in there for only four more days and you can show those party-poopers like Karl and Jeb who is the real Dragon Lady!
whaleshaman
Himmler’s eyebrows are too thick. I think the That 70s Show dad is a good fit.
if anyone want to hear what patriot McGovern had to say about hayden – it was not pretty.
Radio Nation with Laura Flanders; 7 may 06 . . .
http://premium.airamericaradio.com/
great show!!!!
V.G.
Yeah I set up a Yahoo! e-mail for it so if my current e-mail tanks, I have a back-up.
Expect something in the mail by the end of the week or early next week then!
katherine should stick it way out– she paid for them, she outta get her money’s worth.
cnn just had video of LIEberman being confronted by a former supporter!!! hahahha
Katherine sticks ‘em way out in that horsey photo
angie
If I recall, Katherine’s aides pulled a 2006 SOTU “wasn’t being literal” crap. Plus she has millions other than the $10 mil. her pops gave her.
CNN is showing a blog called “Benedict Lieberman” !
Oh snap! B-Lie!
CNN gives Lamont a nice sound bit on the need for change. Snow says the race is closer than anyone expected. Wolfie says Lieberman is getting some stiff pushback from bloggers. The blog reporter mentions Ned has raised $190,000 on the Net. Wolfie closes, “we’re going to watch this race closely.” Overall, a good story, I thought.
Katherine Harris is also married to a wealthy appliance importer – he’s got big bucks too!
“In a three-biscuit article from the ABC reporting lapdogs,â€
RH – this is a great concept – I think from now on the biscuit rating system should be applied to all traditional media articles
hey guys allow me to state the obvious – as long as there is a Cheney, Rumsfield or Negroponte to report to – there will never be an independent period – until they’re gone, we’ll never have to question the independence of anyone in the position
MattO–she has bucketloads of cash, and those figure enhancement thingies too!
I second the biscuit-rating motion.
Speaking of only good news.
OT.
On to Iraq. Despite all of the signs indicating a civil war, the Bush/Rove fear mongering people have sufficiently cowed the media from using that term.
Notice we don’t hear it used anymore?
Mission accomplished.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..s7may07,0, 1349034.story?coll=la-home-headlines
-GSD
what ascii combination gives you a symbol that looks like a biscuit?
Da linky.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
good news, the letter has arrived at the WH. whew. wolf reports nothing to see here, move along.
When Shrub’s approval ratings fall under 30%, it’s DEFINITELY time for a celebration!
Slumper-in-Chief.
Matt O at 29 — See my Pinky and the Brain pic earlier and see if that doesn’t give you a “hmmmm” moment in the lookalike debate.
cbl — I agree. Triple Darth Vaders — as in “I find your lack of faith disturbing . . ” But it would be valuable to have someone with integrity with the courage to resign if needed, heading the CIA, to hold what should be the true “independent” intelligence gathering/analyzing agency together. When the evil-doers are gone, we’ll still need to collect and analyze intelligence.
The black ops matter is another issue. Where is the best place to put something you’d rather not have at all? Probably not under control of any of these villains.
Re the Ignatius reference to the, uh, relocated spook from Baghdad; I was nosing around yesterday and came across this from tnr that has to be the same case. Note Negroponte had a hand; and guess whose name pops up:
The CIA will not easily cede this or other human intelligence operations, which are central to its reason for being; earlier this month, Goss prepared a plan to bolster CIA human intelligence significantly. Whether he will have Negroponte’s backing is unclear. “[Negroponte] may be swayed by whatever his experience, good or bad, with the CIA vis-Ã -vis the Pentagon has been in Iraq,” says a recently departed senior CIA official. That may not be a good sign for the Agency. In late November, the CIA’s Baghdad station chief cabled back to Washington that sectarian violence was likely to worsen due to the weakness of the interim Iraqi government. Negroponte filed a written dissent, arguing that the Falluja military operation against the insurgency had been more effective than the station chief believed. The station chief left Iraq after a yearlong tour; Negroponte reportedly played a behind-the-scenes role in his reassignment.
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Negroponte may also have a back channel. According to a former Pentagon official, Negroponte’s deputy, Lieutenant General Michael Hayden of the National Security Agency, “has an excellent relationship with Cambone. … Because Negroponte is going to have Hayden as his deputy, my view is that Defense is not going to be an immediate enemy, and there’s not going to be an immediate problem with Pentagon-DNI coordination.”
…
While Negroponte’s supporters hope that he can overcome these institutional restraints on his power, his rivals surely hope he gets a different message. As Steven Aftergood, an intelligence policy expert at the Federation of American Scientists, puts it, “The fact that he is a transplant, simply being relocated from an existing position, means that no new departure is contemplated.” Unfortunately, a departure may be precisely what’s needed.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i…..rman030705
With approval ratings droppin perilously close to the 20’s, I sure wish I knew why the Dems were still so afraid to push back and hard.
I heard Dennis Kucinich on the radio the other day, and he said that even if you know what you say or the stand you take won’t be able to effect action, you still have to take the stand, that it’s important to be out front and vocal – otherwise, people think you stand for nothing.
“biscuit” means twice-cooked in French.
bush has succeeded in everything he’s done — america’s elite wanted him to balkanize iraq: now we have joe [numbnuts] biden saying we should break iraq into three parts — he’s too stupid to realize that each of those three parts is a mixture of ethnicities & sects, such that they would each break into further parts unless they each engage in brutal cleansing — nonetheless, joe is unwittingly saying what america’s elite has wanted to do all along
america’s elite knows that the enemy is the american people: our various intelligence agencies & departments have used 9/11 not to go after al qaeda [which is an entity america created & named] but to beef up their spying on us citizens — by outing plame & by using goss generally to demoralize the human assets of our civilian intelligence agency, bush has left the field clear for a pinheaded general to take over & concentrate on domestic spying
america’s elite wants us to attack iran — bush has framed the discussion so that democrats will cheer when he makes good on his threats — if we set russ feingold aside, democrats are delighted that bush is smuggling the iran matter right past the public
america’s elite wants our political leaders to make believe they have big differences on domestic policy — that way nobody will notice how much the two major parties agree on foreign policy
america’s elite likes having a volunteer military — if everybody was exposed to the risk of war, it would be much harder to undertake foolhardy aggression, the sort of aggression that causes messes, the sorts of messes that give rise to opportunities to profiteer — charlie rangel’s about the only member of congress who has the cojones to say he wants a draft — you won’t see many other progressives saying it & you won’t see any republicans saying it — but a volunteer military leads sooner or later to miltary dictatorship: we can foresee the result as military types take over our intelligence apparatus & use it to spy on innocent americans
froggermarch at 39 — ummm, I am ReddHedd. ‘Tis me, just got tired of hiding behind the pseudonym.
GSD– I am shaking mad after reading that. How can any of these people in this admin. sleep at nite??? I know I don’t slumber easily at all. They just finished mocking Zarqawi and yet this is what is reported?
>>>>>
Shiite politicians say criminals steal or buy official uniforms, then terrorize the capital in the guise of security forces. U.S. military officials lay the blame on Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, saying he is trying to provoke a civil war.
>>>>>>>
arrghh.
So Goss & Negroponte were frat brothers eah ?
Way too tight a circle for our own good
“No place is so strongly fortified that money could not capture it.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero
OT
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..ei=5087
===Stephen Colbert’s performance at the White House Correspondents Dinner nine days ago has already created a debate over politics, the press and humor. Now, a commercial rivalry has broken out over its rebroadcast.
[]After the clips of Mr. Colbert’s performance were ordered taken down at YouTube — where 41 clips of the speech had been viewed a total of 2.7 million times in less than 48 hours, according to the site — there were rumblings on left-wing sites that someone was trying to silence a man who dared to speak truth to power. But as became clear later in the week, this was a business decision, not a political one.===
Christy -
He does look like Brain. Good call.
les moyens d’”biscuit” deux fois-ont fait cuire en français
daCascadian
Indeed they were, along with President Bush’s uncle, “Bucky” Bush.
This from William E. Jackson Jr. is what I think of now wrt Hayden– I cannot scrub it from my brain.
>>>>>>
A Martian nerd of a figure, Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, is likely to be nominated to be the new director of the CIA.
>>>>>>
W did say he wanted to explore Mars… this is his favorite Martian…
GSD,
I’ve been waiting for you….
Just two words…
Crotchless Jumpsuit.
Damn you for that image.
BWAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAA!
http://www.network-science.de/ascii/
*ilson46201 @ 70:
‘Show us what you got, honey’
;>)
angie, this one’s for you:
http://www.gargaro.com/webpages/animarv.gif
http://pollkatz.homestead.com/…..age001.gif
Nixon-Bush: A Study in Non-Approval
I’m looking forward to an update on this graph!
froggermarch #39: “Christy” was fully outted from her covert Redd status by a CNN reporter, last winter via a television appearance. There was an earlier America radio show outting, but most missed the connection. ‘Tis the same Lady.
Oh my Darkblack– that is positively brilliant. I love the look on dumbya’s and mehlman’s faces! snootie’s is pretty priceless too!
Oh fuck, tweety just asked difi about hayden’s unfamiliarity with the 4th amendment, and she replied she disagreed and he would ‘probably’ be questioned about it.
And her language in talking about him is that it’s a given: ‘he’ll bring good people with him’.
angie >”…W did say he wanted to explore Mars… this is his favorite Martian…”
Hardly ours…
Where is Marvin when you need him ?
“…playin with matches in a pool of gasoline…” – Swamp Mama Johnson
Angie, it is really an amazing and shocking thing that the administration has perpetrated.
For the US, the day to day reminder of 9/11 is of utmost importance. That attack is what Bush and Rove point to for every thing they do.
In Iraq however, no matter how violent and chaotic the situation is, they say, pay no attention to the violence, look at the big picture.
-GSD
Busted Knuck’s.
I am sure that Chimpy has a closet full of cutesey costumes.
Matt O. sez:
“Hayden looks like someone I know but I cannot put my finger on it.”
I’ve got it! Alien, from the movie of the same name. I can just picture the secondary jaws extending out of his mouth, dripping venom.
motherlowman– that is seared now in my mind! thank you.;)
Christy, I did a Google search of WaPo for articles on “AARDWOLF”, and came up with only yesterday’s Ignatius article and a couple of jokes, all from this year. Googling for “CIA Iraq station chief” netted this article, which seems to cover some of that ground in 2004:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..4Dec8.html
It does not seem as critical of government policy as the Ignatius article leads us to believe. It says that Iraqi security forces weren’t being trained as fast as they needed to be, and that Sunni non-participation in the new government could lead to increased violence. Pretty tame, considering how bad things were getting even then.
They published an op-ed by Haviland Smith, a former CIA station chief who was critical of the Goss purges back in early 2005.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ge=printer
That’s as much as I’ve found so far. So far, no evidence that the WaPo was really on this story, but there’s a lot of stuff to go through.
OfT“Luskin’s Latest”
by emptywheel
“I’ve long believed Jim VandeHei’s reporting is very useful because he is such a faithful stenographer for Robert Luskin, and his reporting is usually undiluted by other things, as Michael Isikoff’s reporting gets diluted by Mark Hosenball’s or Evan Thomas’ real reporting. Sure, you know that what VandeHei is giving you is pure spin. But it shows you how Luskin is planning his next move….”
“Rove’s Timing”
by emptywheel
“Jeff points out one more important detail in today’s VandeHei article. The article suggests (without mentioning any specific dates) that Novak and Rove spoke on July 8, not July 9….”
darkblack 108 – ROFLMAO
hey Ken, why the long face?
neurophius
Haha. When you said Alien, I thought you meant “Alien Nation,” the FOX show from the early 90s.
Hey…it just occurred to me that Shirlington Limo contract involved in the Cunningham-MZM scandal might have been approved by a familiar name.
David Safavian, perhaps??
And of course Safavian might have helped the contract that Hayden wrote out for MZM’s Lt. Gen. James C. King…
Just wondering how we check the chain of authorization on such contracts…anybody?
another thing about the letter, whether the Swiss had to hand deliver it or not, does it point to our lack of intelligence on Iran or what?
Its a SEX scandle. Nothing scares GOP types more then a SEX scandle. They impeached a pres because of SEX. Goss is gone because he him buddy and possibly he himself hung out with hookers (SEX) and partied. This is called getting out ahead of the story, most of which will come out when Fogge goes this week or next.
GSD– they do it with Afghanistan too. This just burns me up. Everyday is a 9/11 to some folks over there…
GSD,
Ring a bell?
GSD says:
May 5th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
Goss: “So, do you come to orgies often?â€
Foggo: “When things are slow.â€
Goss: “Nice unit.â€
Foggo: “I can thank Bob Dole for that.â€
Goss: “Who’s the dude in the crotchless flightsuit?â€
Foggo: “That’s the Duke. He likes to watch.â€
Goss: “High five dudes, this is the best.â€
-GSD
THAT mental image . ROFLMAO.
Teak 111 @ 124:
Foggy Bottomed out today
The president is down to 31%? That IS good news!
Christy/Redd–
This frogger may be a little, erm, wet behind the ears, but I was actually kidding. Who could fail to see the particular, nay unique combination of cogent analysis, passion and humor that marks your eagerly-awaited epistles. Paul is Saul, Diana Prince is Wonder Woman and Christy is Reddhedd (oh and Gen hayden is Colonel Dietrich from Raiders of the Lost Ark, as I thought we settled yesterday, dammit!) No mere name change could change the essence.
Froggermarch, btw, is know only to you, Jane and Karen Allen. Perhaps someday, on Fitzmas Day perhaps, we shall know the identity of all members of the Justice League of firedoglake—EPU, GSD, zennurse,me to me et. al. Until then…
ribbit, out
Publicus
Party at my house when he cracks the 20s.
punaise 96 – twice-cooked, or half-baked?
Cujo359 — IIRC, Risen’s CIA book has a chapter/segment on AARDWOLF and the series of Iraq/CIA station chief reports back to Langley about how badly things were going, from mid 2003 on. They were all dismissed because inconsistent with the party line.
One really nice side benfit of all this semi-independent research on Bush Handlers, Inc. that the blogosphere is doing is that many many intelligence analysts are being trained w/o the intelligence agencies having the budget problems associated with training so many folks is such a short period of time
Keep on practicing folks because your skills will probably continue to be needed in the “near” future by “We the people…”
Just consider it OJT (on the job training)
“The future is here. It’s just not evenly distributed yet.” – William Gibson
undercoverdick – not that I’m a big Joe Biden fan, but you have bought – hook, line and sinker – the other side’s characterization of Biden’s plan for Iraq.
As much time as we take to scrutinize what comes out of the other side, I think it serves us better if we also take the time to scrutinize what comes out of “our ” side.
I’m just sayin’.
From his May 1 speech:
“1. One Iraq With Three Regions
The first element is to establish three largely autonomous regions with a viable but limited central government in Baghdad.
The central government would be responsible for border defense, foreign policy, oil production and revenues. The regional governments — Kurd, Sunni and Shiite — would be responsible for administering their own regions.
The United States shouldn’t impose this solution and we don’t have to because federalism is already written into Iraq’s constitution. In fact, the constitution creates a limited central government and establishes a procedure for provinces combining into regions.
Increasingly, each community will support federalism, if only as a last resort. Until recently, the Sunnis sought a strong central government because they believed they would retake power. Now, they are beginning to recognize that they won’t. Their growing fear is Shi’a power in a highly centralized state, enforced by sectarian militia and death squads. The Shi’a know that they can dominate the government, but they can’t defeat a Sunni insurrection. The Kurds want to consolidate their autonomy.
Some will ask whether this plan will lead to sectarian cleansing. The answer is that it’s already happening. According to the Iraqi government, 90,000 people have fled their homes since the February bombing of the Samarra mosque for fear of sectarian reprisals. That’s a rate of more than a 1,000 people a day. This does not include the tens of thousands of educated Iraqis from the middle class who have left the country.
We must build in protections to prevent more cleansing and to improve security in the big cities, which the Administration has failed to achieve. Baghdad would become a federal zone, while densely-populated areas with mixed populations would receive both multi-sectarian and international police protection.
A global political settlement won’t end the Sunni insurgency, but it should help to undermine it. The Zarqawi network would no longer have the sectarian card to play. Sunni Nationalists and neo-Baathists would still be unhappy but they would be easier to contain.
Similarly, while decentralization won’t end the militia problem overnight, it is the best way to begin rolling it back. Right now, there is no plan to disband the militia. Militias have so heavily infiltrated the security forces that our training program is effectively making them better killers. The regions can become magnets for the militia, integrating them into local forces, and eventually into the national force. Again, the constitution already provides for security forces within the regions. There is nothing radical in this proposal.
The Administration is focusing only on putting together a unity government. But the “unity” government of the past year wasn’t able to govern or stop the violence. This one offers little more promise. A much broader political settlement that gives each community breathing space is the best bet to prevent civil war and to keep Iraq intact. “
There’s more, but this is the basic plan, which builds on what is already written into the current Iraqi constitution.
Froggermarch- you beat me to it- I knew you were joking, and was about to say that!
This morning Joe Klein was a guest on my local npr station (WNYC.org) to talk about the Goss
firingresignation. It was really unbelievable.Several things stand out in my memory:
He defended the NSA unwarranted wiretapping because isn’t really unwarranted wiretapping. Its just a complicated computer program that listens to everything and picks up on certain kinds of buzz. He says the dems are wrong about this. haha
Also defended Hayden. Thought if the dems opposed it, they would look bad on nat’l security in the fall.
And once again, praised McCain for reaching out to the fundie base.
It is online at http://www.wnyc.org on the Brian Lehrer Show.
Depends on how deep in the doo-doo the CIA number three is. If he is in deep and does time, he could well be Foggo Bottom.
-GSD
BK.
Humor, the gift that keeps on giving.
Leslie in CA 131 – both! smoked, but not cured.
Matt O., I think we should set up FDL house parties everywhere, for both the inevitable crash through the 30s floor, and the (fingers crossed so hard it hurts) imminent indictments . . .
Matt O
It was nagging at me for a couple of weeks, who did Hayden remind me of? This morning I realized:
There was movie a few years back (can’t remember the name of it–Annette Benning and “Die Hard” “Moonlighting” guy who used to be married to Demi Moore)
In the movie, there is a terrorist threat from arabic men and this crazy general puts NYC under marshall law and begins block by clock searches for all arab men and puts them in a Gitmo Camp X-ray type prison in the stadium on Randall’s Island (which is under the triborough bridge).
Hayden reminds me of the Bruce Willis (that’s the guy’s name!) character. Nuts, scared, willing to destroy the civil liberties in our Counstitution because he is terrifed and power mad.
I wish I could remember the name of that movie. Life is immitating art. OK, it was a dumb action movie not ART per se, but you know what I mean.
From Peggy Noonan’s piece:
“…His loyalty means they will most likely not be fired or leaked against, no matter what heat they take from the outside. And so his aides move forward with the sharpness and edge of those who know their livelihoods and status are secure….“
Note how this is the exact modus operandi of people like Tim Russert at NBC/GE, who knows he has the backing and blessing of GE’s top guy (formerly Jack Welch) just so long as he ‘goes along to get along,’ and meekly obeys the orders of his owners, without question. Russert, just as Scott the Press Secretary McClellan so unquestioningly served his “owner,” serves only the ends of his General Electric corporate owners, and nevermind the destructive effects of such morally bankrupt profit- and power-based service on his country’s democracy, or on his “profession’s” ethical standards, or, worst of all, on the well-being of humanity as a whole.
I just love seeing Tweety trying to fight with Bamford… dingleberry.
Mary, angie, pprt: I think ET may have made a rare mistake of some sort re Ray McGovern saying nice things about Hayden on CNN. Just doesn’t track. I checked the CNN website, as angie did earlier, and found nothing on this.
punaise 138 – there is no cure for what they’ve been smokin’.
It’s an irregular charcuterie round here, punaise.
looseheadprop
I believe you’re talking about the film The Siege. I think That’s 70s Show dad is the best one I have heard of thus far.
Flapper party !
Leslie in CA
Indeed we should.
I think I am alone down here in Southern Arizona. It’s cool, I’ll party by myself.
“Froggermarch, btw, is know only to you, Jane and Karen Allen.”
Froggermarch, I’ve been wondering…does your name have anything to do with Joseph Wilson’s statement that he was looking forward to seeing Karl Rove “frogmarched out of the White House”? That’s the image that it brings to my mind…
Want to hear some truly good news? My brother, who has been estranged from the family for a couple years now, decided to attend his daughter’s graduation and speak to everybody. He didn’t come to my daughter’s wedding 2 weeks ago so I thought he might never speak to me ever again.
Working for reconciliation: between Russia and the U.S., for our broken nation, and within our family.
Larry Johnson’s take on the Ed Schulz show today is that Goss didn’t have anything to do with the poker and licker scandal. It was Foggo who set up the poker games and a top aide, a friend of Foggo who reports to Goss, who set up the back-room shenanigans. The WH got wind of it and were trying to ease Goss out the door, but Goss wouldn’t have any of it and abruptly resigned. Left unsaid by Johnson is whether the WH was shitting thumbtacks over the taint of scandal or used this as an excuse to get Hayden into the job.
Alright, I’m off folks. Enjoy the rest of your Monday, I’ll be back later.
Matt O
Thanks for the name of the movie. Willhave to rent and view again.
The thing about comparing him to the Bruce Willis general is that not only do they look a bit alike, but they are both batshit crazy in exactly the same way and for the same reasons. He IS that outta control general.
OT (sorta) – GoogleVideo now has CSPAN’s permission to run the Colbert Bush-slapping / lapdog whipping.
scarecrow @ 2:21 pm (#132) – Ignatius didn’t credit Risen’s book. Under the circumstances, that would seem to be a serious omission.
yay, egregious! that is so beautiful. it’s really important, imho to make the peace– to agree to disagree or work out the problem(s). i have seen too many people at the bedside of a dead person bemoaning the fact that they wished they had done so. it’s too late then…
Traitor Joe comes through again.
Please change parties you saggy-faced pud.
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-GSD
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OfT: Hardball email for today
“Subject : Hardball Briefing for Monday, May 8
“This morning, President Bush announced his pick to replace Porter Goss as CIA
boss: Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, former six-year leader of the NSA and
current deputy to National Director of Intelligence John Negroponte. Here’s more
from NBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12685614/.
Tonight on Hardball, Chris is back to talk about this potentially hot nomination
fight with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). Hayden is perhaps best known as the
defender of the NSA’s once-secret domestic wiretapping program. Will lingering
concerns over that hinder his chance to run the CIA?
Hardball Correspondent David Shuster will break down all of the back-and-forth
about Hayden’s past and proposed future. Plus, Jim Bamford, author of “Pretext
for War,” and Gary Berntsen, former CIA officer and author of “Jawbreaker,” will
join Chris to talk about what may help and hurt Hayden’s nomination.
Also tonight, you’ll see some of NBC White House Correspondent Kelly O’Donnell’s
interview with Vice President Cheney during his overseas trip to eastern Europe.
See it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/.
For the latest on the CIA leak probe, Jim VandeHei of the Washington Post will
be here along with attorney Stan Brand. Check out VandeHei’s report in today’s
paper about Karl Rove, in which he writes, “Rove expects to learn as soon as
this month if he will be indicted — or publicly cleared of wrongdoing — for
making false statements in the CIA leak case, according to sources close to the
presidential adviser.” It’s here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..0717.html.
John Fund, columnist for OpinionJournal.com, and David Ignatius, columnist for
the Washington Post, also will be here to talk about the political implications
(and potential complications) of Hayden’s nomination and Rove’s lingering
investigation. Read Ignatius’ thoughts on Goss’ departure in Sunday’s paper:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..1660.html.
And here’s Fund’s sense of how 2006 is shaping up at this point:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/…..47.”
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http://www.editorandpublisher……1002464272
===Solomon Weighs In On ‘Israel Lobby’ Debate
NEW YORK Creators Syndicate columnist Norman Solomon, in a Sunday piece published by The Sun of Baltimore, wrote about Israel’s strong influence on U.S. foreign policy.
The piece by Solomon, who is Jewish, was a rare critical look at the “Israel Lobby” in America’s mainstream press.
[]”The failure to make a distinction between anti-Semitism and criticism of Israel routinely stifles public debate. When convenient, pro-Israel groups in the U.S. will concede that it’s possible to oppose Israeli policies without being anti-Semitic. Yet many of Israel’s boosters reflexively pull out the heavy artillery of charging anti-Semitism when their position is challenged.”==
Traitor Joe makes Joke Klein look like a somewhat more informed dem impersonator…
egregious, thanks for the (real!) good news.
The story about the Baghdad station chief writing the AARDWOLFs and getting slammed for it have been out for a while. Risen talks about it in “State of War.”
egregious-there’s nothing like familia!
Leslie, angie – as long as we don’t get into la viande de cheval…it’s OK to horse around.
looseheadprop # 140
thank god it was just a movie and nothing like that could happen in the good ol US of A !
(film was called The Siege 98′)
yay, egregious!
Anne @ 2:22 pm (#134) – I think Biden’s plan is more workable than the Administration’s. At least he’s trying to start small, using the most viable political units available. Where I think BushCo went wrong was to not set things up to be run at a local level by Iraqis, with gradually larger portions of the country being run Iraqi governments as they were able to organize.
Democracy started small here. It was the old idea of having town or village meetings to decide important issues that got us in the habit of running our own affairs. The founders didn’t just wake up one day and decide we needed our own country with a constitutional government. A culture does have to create its own institutions and habits to make democracy work.
Of course, like everything else they do, the Bush Admin. just wanted instant gratification, so a patient, properly staffed effort was clearly out of the question from the start.
I gotta take Matt O’s lead and bail out…work beckons…..
hah, punaise– Katherine Harris famously trots on the viande de cheval for her photo ops.
egregious @ 2:31 pm (#149) – Good luck. I sometimes think coexistence between countries is easier. At least at that level there are practical things like economics and security issues to bind warring parties together.
Litigatormom at 161 — oh, thanks! I knew there was something tugging at the back of my mind that it sounded familiar, but I could not figure out from where.
lhp 140 – ding ding ding ding ding That’s who!
scarecrow58 so we just use the term “good soldier†differently?? yes – I think that’s it – to me (based on my military interactions) there is a “do the right thing†element of being a good soldier that goes more to what you are calling an honorable soldier.
Stepping back, I think we need both good intelligence gathering and good intelligence analysis. The CIA vs Negroponte division strikes me as artificially separating these two closely linked functions. Exactly – even if they had the right person involved in leadership – the Negroponte end run has a lot to detract and not much to recommend.
you need mature/wise judgment exercised by decision-makers on what to do with this intelligence. Here, the system completely collapses in the Bush neocon WH. Someone else made similar points (Anne?) above and that is the ultimate issue. There is group think and Create-a-Reality, but not much respect for thinking, analysis, complexity, etc.
ppirt 51 – McGovern whew – thanks. If he really does think that there is anything good or helpful about Hayden, I’d like to hear it though, but for now I just don’t see a good aspect. Truthout has a piece up by Larry Johnson that is very good, but very depressing.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050806A.shtml
cbl 60 – already running program I didn’t see that. I can believe it and actually I am ok with it (that they were running something on an asap basis, wo warrants) in that context. I do think that our Constitution and case law provide for certain exceptions based on exigent circumstances and that where those exist for law enforcement, even if you follow through the approach of All the President’s Lawyers, that this is an intelligence/war issue and not a criminal/law enforcement issue, then under the necessary and proper clause they get an exigent circumstances bye on that gathering as well. The time frame for an exigencies response is long gone, though and exigencies do not equate with five years of law breaking and cover-ups and lies to Congress and the American people, IMO, FWIW.
punaise – yes, so long as we know when to rein ourselves in.
FABULOUS interview with Scott Ritter:
http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2006-05-04/cover.html
“..It would be nice to trust [elected officials], but, you know, representative democracy isn’t a one-phase process, where you vote, and then — boom — somebody gets elected and now that’s it, you back off. There’s a thing called accountability. They’re still accountable to you, and you have to hold them accountable for what they do in your name. It’s a constant process. We have to supervise, because, remember, they work for us.
The other aspect of citizenship is to empower oneself with knowledge and information so that in the conduct of supervision of those whom we elect, we do so based on knowledge and information, on facts, as opposed to rhetoric, fiction and bald-faced misrepresentation of fact. It’s the citizen’s responsibility for this empowerment — no one else’s. And, yeah, it’s hard. God, I’m busy; you’re busy; we’re all busy — life’s a busy thing.
But, you know what? I don’t want to hear that people can’t go out and gain access to the data necessary, because, you know what? I go to a bar on Monday night, and I watch baseball fans; I watch football fans — hell, I’m one of them. And they can give me the slugging percentage of every player coming up there. How do they know that? They spend hours reading the sports pages.
If an American citizen has enough time to know all these sports statistics, they have enough time to learn about the world we live in and the role America plays and how their representatives are guiding us in this world…”
neurophius–
Thanks for asking about my chosen fdl appelation. Indeed, froggermarch was inspired by Joe Wilson’s prayer for Karl Rove, but the particular formation is also in homage to my sainted, liberal mother, who enjoyed the early video game Frogger and who wa born in March.
She was a true pioneer in the Civil Rights and women’s movement, the first woman to receive her degree from the Catholic seminary (”I don’t want to be a priest, she said, but you can’t keep me from taking the same classes as the men”) and who, based on her Catholic credentials was appointed to the board of health. There she rose to Chair, though she became an enemy of the Right to Life movement, since she separated her religion from her civic duties and focused instead on the dangers of second hand smoke in public places. Ironically, she died of the lung cancer she worked so hard to defeat. The last time I saw her laugh was over Dan Quayle’s spelling of “Potato”, so I know she would enjoy fdl and all of your funny, smart commentary today.
Now do you want to explain yours?
bkny 94 Negroponte may also have a back channel. According to a former Pentagon official, Negroponte’s deputy, Lieutenant General Michael Hayden of the National Security Agency, “has an excellent relationship with Cambone. …
This is only one of the many reasons why I’m hoping that the possibility of a Pentagon Undersecretary caught in the MZM/Wade/Mitchell mess is true that that the name starts with C . If wishes were horses, I’d be entitled to 11 ½.
The Wall Street Journal; May 4, 2006
Bush Job Approval Plummets and Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation.
New Zogby/WSJ Poll
President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping to 28%, in the latest Zogby International poll.
And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than three-in-five voters (62%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The Zogby America/WST survey was of 3210 likely voters.
Just one week ago, President Bush’s job approval stood at a previous low of 31%—but it to 28%, despite a speech to the nation intended to build support for the Administration and the ongoing Iraq War effort.
The Zogby America survey includes calls made both before and after the President’s address, and the results show no discernible “bump†in his job approval, with voter approval of his job performance at 28% in the final day of polling.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
neurophius, et. al. I think Kurtwood Smith is the closest lookalike, although he does resemble Jude Ciccolella, who plays Mike Novick on 24.
That photo of him yesterday suggests a head that’s just about to burst, and is only being held together by his glasses.
Anne 95 – the other thing is, it is important for people to hear that there are other views and the rationale, so they are not swept along the tide of antipathy with the “conventional wisdom†that goes, so to speak, un DAMNed . ;-)
Hey Rayne -
The Shirlington Limousine DHS Contract was awarded on 10/16/05 – Safavian was arrested the week of Katrina – but,
given the speed at which contracts are negotiated and awarded – the window of poossibility exists that Safavian may have been involved in the approval process – going over to WaPo to see if they have pdf of contract
Leslie 172 – I’d reply, but I’m not here
punaise, well I’m not all here.
John Fund and David Ignatius agree that Karl Rove will not be indicted. It’s just a stoopid question about perjury. On Tweety.
egregious, we’ll take what we can get
Bruce Willis
Die Hard: With a Vengeance
run, don’t walk, to the new thread
I’m here, but I’m not here
BLONDIE “I Know But I Don’t Know”
…
I know but I don’t know
I give but I don’t get
I will but I won’t yet
I lose but I don’t bet
I’m your dog but not your pet
I know but I don’t care
Then I know but I don’t see
Now I see but I don’t know
I care but I don’t care
I could but I won’t be
You can but not with me
It’s all a mystery
Locked out without a key
Now I care but I don’t care
And I know but I don’t see
Now I see but I don’t know
I know but I don’t know
Now I know that you don’t know
And I see that you don’t see
I care but I don’t care
I don’t care that you don’t know
You confused me, the movie with Annette Benning is The Siege (slaps forehead)
But that’s with Denzell Washington
Holy Crap! I didn’t think we get in to the 20s so fast!
new thread – new books
Some senators are nervous about having a military man in charge of the CIA. But is it really possible this administration wants to transfer much of the work of the CIA to the Pentagon. Heaven help us.
http://www.nysun.com/article/32294?access=746351
Cujo 154 – I think that there was more than one guy and more than one poorly received aardwolf and Risen’s book ends with one that was less poorly received than the prior one (by prior author’s replacement) I would think the Negroponte – “my, don’t they see how the 2nd (3rd? 4th? 18th?) Fallujah offensive made things all better†response was pos-Risen.
Rayne 122: Per Raw Story, some Dems are going to look into the Contract, with a hearing on May 18- might be a good time to email their staff those kinds of questions (they don’t have anything specific to asking about any contacts between Safavian and Wilkes –MZM – etc. in connection with the Shirlington contract, even if he did not approve it. Seems they may want to get into that as well???
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0508.html
Congressmen seek inquiry into limousine company used to ferry officials to Watergate hotel
‘Not interested’ in prostitution, but how contract was awarded
The ranking Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee and the ranking Democratic member on the House Subcommittee on Emergency Preparedness have called on the Homeland Security Inspector General to conduct an inquiry into the Department’s arrangement with a limousine company that was used to ferry members of Congress and other officials to the Watergate Hotel, where poker parties and prostitutes were allegedly made available, RAW STORY has learned.
.. .
4) Reports indicate that in October 2005, the Department awarded a $21 million contract to Shirlington Limousine for transportation services. Please provide information on:
. . .
It is our understanding that the committee intends to hold a hearing on May 18th which will touch upon this contract. Therefore, we would appreciate a response to these questions prior to the May 18th hearing.
mc(#54):
Why does Peggy Noonan hate America?
Ans: Because she is Ann Coulter’s evil twin.
punaise (#64):
ting thong?
thin king!
tank thong?
tongue thang?
motherlowman (85)
i second that b-motion!
Matt O. 29
How about Erlichman?
http://americanhistory.si.edu/maroon/hr_frm.htm
“…the public has a right to know …”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The public has a right to pay taxes and then shut the fuck up.
(Sorry, it’s been a crazy day.)
maybe it’s just the obvious, but i keep thinking of Col. Briggs (Twin Peaks) when i see Hayden. there was something humane about Briggs though. i’m not sure that qualitiy applies to the General, even if he is a Steelers fan…….
undercover dick (#97):
i think you’re oversimplifying most of your issues and therefore can’t agree. except for the last one (american elites like the volunteer army, the problems of returning to the draft, etc.). that one is spot on.
we wouldn’t be in iraq, or would have major demonstrations against the administration by now if we had had a draft-supplied military.
angie (#142) how dare you call tweety a dingle berry! he’s much larger than that!
Valley Girl (#160):
this is something that i have commented on at FDL more than once. Scooter Libby’s advocates have already hit us over the head with “anti-semitism” as the basis for his “persecution”.
it is difficult to criticize our Israeli policy without worrying about being hit with that charge. it is difficult for Jews themselves to criticize the Israeli government without being attacked by Zionists. such people are usually accused of “self-hatred”. Noam Chomsky (a Jew) is vilified for his accurate, well-footnoted, thorough and devastating critique of nation states. These include the US and Israel.
Israel’s influence is not limited to the MSM. It exists in Congress, in the White House, in the State Department, in the Defense Department and, no doubt, in the intelligence agencies, including the CIA.
When you’ve had your fill of ‘Hooker ‘n Hunnert Dollar Bills’ come on over:
Stop the General Hayden nomination dead in it’s tracks blogswarm!
Bush didn’t replace Goss earlier because Bush was concentrating on catching a bigger perch in his lake. You know, there’s a lot of planning involved in calling the fish farm and arranging for them to stock the pond with bigger fish. A man’s gotta keep them priorities straight, don’t he?
“At the end of his tour” the Baghdad chief “was punished with a poor assignment”?
Hah –Where the hell could they send him to punish him after Baghdad?
deborah L(#205): Ouagadougou, Niger(to double-check the yellow cake inventory),Somalia, etc. any out of the way place with less than nothing happening. Baghdad is “Big Time” for a spook.
Yeah – here’s me thinkin’ Colon Bowell’s going to pull out a Denzel Washington reprise of ‘ Crimson Tide’ and ‘ The siege’. Maybe Cheneys cenobites see those movies too – thats why they hated him.
Look this has already been a long war. Ever since the Balfour declaration. Now you can see the seed s of the next war at the end of each of the last one. End of WW1 and the verseilles treaty leads to WW2. End of WW2 and the colonialist empire builders lead to the next series of wars. The winds of change that swept over Africa are only now reaching the Middle East and the US empire has just had its Suez crisis. So this war to decolonize Euro-empires will go on until the Middle East is decolonized.
There must be a global summit with the aim of ending Apartheid in the Middle east and all economic colonialism.
Chalmers Johnson, Robert Fisk, Juan Cole, Noam Chompsky and others could arrange a virtual summit where a consensus on demilitarizing the region and compensating peoples could be hammered out. We have the net now but are running out of excuses for not ending this war.
Not ending this war and setting up the networks to make new wars that much harder to start.
The internets record for intelligence is not good but compared to the CIAs its brilliant.
The claven has to go full steam ahead toward it’s Gotterdamerung – we have to go forward on the net with our peace train. Even if we lose our chief engineer Patrick F we have to carry on.
Kurtwood Smith also once played Goebbels. Make of that what you will…
I just SO enjoyed Howard (Master’s Degree in Conventional Wisdom) Fineman’s take on Hayden on Olbermann’s show. Why, he’s a reg’lar joe! Blue collar guy! From Pittsburgh! Loves the Steelers!
That sort of excrement is bad enough from Tweety. It’s positively vomitous from someone of Fineman’s alleged abilities.
Gen Hayden is not “constrained by his oath in uniform to follow the orders of his Commander in Chief” –he swore to protect and uphold the Constitution. While he is charged to obey the LAWFUL orders of superiors, his main concern is the Constitution. And emphasis on the “lawful” orders. We do not have the “Führerprinzip” —as yet anyway.