SHUSTER: Well, Karl Rove’s legal team has told me that they expect that a decision will come sometime in the next two weeks. And I am convinced that Karl Rove will, in fact, be indicted. And there are a couple of reasons why. First of all, you don’t put somebody in front of a grand jury at the end of an investigation or for the fifth time, as Karl Rove testified a couple, a week and a half ago, unless you feel that’s your only chance of avoiding indictment. So in other words, the burden starts with Karl Rove to stop the charges. Secondly, it’s now been 13 days since Rove testified. After testifying for three and a half hours, prosecutors refused to give him any indication that he was clear. He has not gotten any indication since then. And the lawyers that I’ve spoken with outside of this case say that if Rove had gotten himself out of the jam, he would have heard something by now. And then the third issue is something we’ve talked about before. And that is, in the Scooter Libby indictment, Karl Rove was identified as ‘Official A.’ It’s the term that prosecutors use when they try to get around restrictions on naming somebody in an indictment. We’ve looked through the records of Patrick Fitzgerald from when he was prosecuting cases in New York and from when he’s been US attorney in Chicago. And in every single investigation, whenever Fitzgerald has identified somebody as Official A, that person eventually gets indicted themselves, in every single investigation. Will Karl Rove defy history in this particular case? I suppose anything is possible when you are dealing with a White House official. But the lawyers that I’ve been speaking with who know this stuff say, don’t bet on Karl Rove getting out of this.
Now taking official bets in the comments on:
1. Date
2. Official(s) indicted
3. Charges
Winner will be determined jointly by me, Christy and Pach and will receive a copy of the DVD of the fabulous documentary Street Fight by Marshall Curry, one of this year’s’ Academy Award nominees. Marshall is kindly donating it for this humanitarian cause. Entries close 8pm tomorrow evening ET/5pm PT.
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Fitz
fitz…
It’s way past my bedtime; I wish I knew how to quit you, FDL.
Fitz!
FITZ-n-seizures!
1. Date = 16 May 2006
2. Karl Rove
3. 1 count perjury
4. In the pantry
5. With the candlestick
Of course, we’ll need another scandal to fill up the intervening eight days. Hayden?
I’ll take Rove on the 12th for perjury. 4 counts.
Not to rule out further Fitz plays.
Damn, I’m a judge, and therefore ineligible.
If I were a college Republican I’d be able to figure out a way around that.
1. Karl Rove
2. Obstruction of justice – 1 count
Perjury – 3 counts
Making false statements – 4 counts
3. 19-MAY-06
I’m hoping Hadley gets it, too, but I think he’s not going to be charged until this mess goes to trial. Ditto for Dead-Eye.
Psst…Pach, outsourcing is the way to go…
Thanks Todd for 4 & 5!
ROFLMAO on my way to bed.
May 19
Karl Rove
False statements, perjury, obstruction of justice
Oh Pach you can guess. You just can’t win the prize ;)
Rove
19 May
Perjury, Obstruction, lying to the FBI
I will renew my bet of two weeks ago –
GJ sealed indictments on Wednesday May 10th;
Fitzgerald presser, indictments unsealed on Thursday May 11th;
And the Rove frog march on Friday May 12th.
Perjury and obstruction; beyond that is Fitzmas bonus . . .
Friday the 19th. Rove. False statements & perjury.
1. May 12, 2006
2. Indicted: Karl Rove
3. Charges:
Obstruction of justice – 1 count
Perjury – 2 counts
Making false statements – 3 counts
Bonus: Sometime in 2007, we’ll add Conspiracy charges and an IIPA violation
Friday May 12
Stephen Hadley, Conspiracy, false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice.
Scooter Libby, add conspiracy to his previous charges.
Karl Rove, plea deal, nolo contendere to perjury, resigns, no jail time. (Cue the theme song to the old “Flipper” TV series)
Unindicted coconspirators.
OK,
1. May 12
2. Rove
3. Perjury (lyyyying) and obstruction
Poll at Capitalnews.org
Should a military general be allowed to lead the CIA?
Yes- 29%
No- 71%
May10-Karl Rove
Obstruction of Justice
Outing a spy
Death
May 26
Karl Rove
2 counts obstruction of justice
2 counts perjury
then Fitz goes after Darth Cheney’s ass!!
Todd 5, you funny!
Red Rover, Red Rover, send Karl right over… I’m goin’ with Thur. May 11th.
Two counts perjury
Two counts obstruction of justice
One for false witness
If so, I call for a three-day weekend commencing Friday 12am. Don’t forget to pick up a couple of papers on the way out of town.
May 19
Karl Rove
Perjury & Obstruction of justice/being unspeakably evil
Cha-cha-cha
05.19.06
Der Rovulator
Obstruction of justice – 1 count (at least)
Perjury – 3 counts and 2 amounts
Making false statements – 4 counts and counting
Courtesy of the Daily Show. PRICELESS!!!
President Bush Nominates Congressman Goss as Director of CIA
“He’s the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation’s history.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..810-3.html
Bush nominates Hayden as CIA chief
“He’s the right man to lead the CIA at this critical moment in our nation’s history,”
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/060508/3/40mxb.html
Heh. I guess I prefer not to guess. Kind of like Christmas morning – I like surprise to afford me the luxury of drinking in the experience as something wholly new and unexpected. I try to live that way, actually.
May 10th.
Judith Miller
Prostitution and solicitation
-GSD
Date: May 17
Indicted: Karl Rove
Charges: Obstruction of Justice & Perjury
Time: Press Conference @ 2:00 p.m. EST
I could be an MSM talking head. That was Easy.
Rove, Friday 19 May, perjury, obstruction of justice. I predict that Rove will make, yet, his sixth grand jury appearance this week. This time, as per his old debating team trick, he will display many file cases full of blank 6×9 bogus index cards, hauled in on hand trucks, in order to intimidate the Fitz.
May 12 indictment announced publically
Karl Rove and Stephen Hadley
(Rove)
Perjury to Grand Jury
Making false statements to investigators
(Hadley)
Making false statements
GSD 27, you funny too! This is like shootin’ fish in a barrel.
I can’t believe I’m going to be so wrapped up in bidness most of the next two weeks y’all are gonna have Fitzmas without me!
I would just like to mention that I now see people talking about being EPUd all over the blogosphere.
Also,
May 19
Steven Hadley
False statements
Tomorrow, Karl Rove, perjury, making false statements, and obstruction of justice. (I’m too impatient to wait any longer. Please, Fitzmas, don’t be late!)
Friday 19 May 2006
Karl Rove
Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, and being a Rat Bast**d.
Jane, you will have really, really, really arrived when they start saying it on the righty blogs.
If Karl Rove is going to be indicted, I’d expect him to resign by the middle of next week. Unfortunately, I’m convinced that Rove will use black magic or some other shadowy means to get away scott free.
Jane,
I hadn’t gone over to Bartcop for a long while and when I checked in a few days ago, I was quoted from a post here.
-GSD
May 12
Rove: False statements, perjury, obstruction. At least 5 counts total.
Card: false statements
I agree with Rayne about Hadley being saved for a later date. I think the available evidence ties him to all the players in the conspiracy. The effect being, he remains the lynchpin that can be used for the one-two counter of an attempt at a pardon for certain individuals while also unleashing more grand superceding indictments for a KO.
Pach, seeing as I was first with Hadley, I won’t have to split with these other bastids, will I?
op99 — most of the righty blogs don’t have comments so it will probably be a while.
Friday.
Will be replaced by Ralph Reed.
Perjury, Obstruction of Justice,Lying to a Grand Jury Cause he’s a fucker.
14 counts of Assholism,
If it’s going to happen at all…
Date: May 26–It’s the Friday before a long Memorial Day weekend. Rove will do whatever he has to do to give BushCo those precious days to deal with the fallout.
Indicted:
Rove, although I sure would like to see Hadley in there, too.
Charges: Obstruction of justice, lying to federal investigators, perjury.
Douglas Feith-1 count of making stuff up
-1 count of ousting Saddam
In a letter to Feith on the day of his resignation from government, August 8, 2005, Hadley wrote: [20]
“Your efforts in developing the war on terrorism strategy, the global defense posture, the President’s June 24, 2002, Middle East speech, and moving forward the president’s agenda on advancing freedom and democracy are among your many significant accomplishments. For the last four years, you and your fine staff have provided outstanding support to Secretary Rumsfeld and the President. Your intellectual leadership within the interagency has helped us meet the challenges that face our nation at this critical time. But equally important, you have provided an example of honesty, decency, and integrity that have made you a valued colleague and friend to us all.”
1. Date – May 19th
2. Official(s) indicted – Rove
3. Charges – Obstruction of justice, 1 count. Perjury, 2 counts. Giving false statements, 2 counts.
op99:
Let the word go forth, from this time and place:
I can be bribed.
Friday, May 12. Karl Rove. Making false statements, perjury, comspiracy.
EPU’d and proud of it!!!
Minor addition — perjury, lying to FBI, and obstruction.
I’m thinking it will be Rove — but would luv to see anyone else go down with him.
Rove resigns and is arraigned on Friday.
Jane 42, like that “Hell” sign y’all had the other day? Maybe over at our good friends Redstate.
I am with op99 but no deal for Rover. Fitz is way too good to let him walk with all that great evidence!
Friday May 12
Stephen Hadley, Conspiracy, false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice.
Scooter Libby, add conspiracy to his previous charges.
Karl Rove, (no deal) conspiracy, obstruction of justice, false statements and purgery.
Unindicted coconspirators. (ie: Big Time and the Decider)
(ok a girl can dream can’t she!) (It has to be in the next two weeks as I am leaving for Italy on the 18th. I am going to be going crazy over there if there is no indictment before then.)
Go Fitz! You are a great American!
I just can’t handle seeing Karl Rove in trouble. I haven’t got the stomach for it. Can’t we just move on and support our president? Unlike Bill Clinton, Karl’s pee pee has done nothing wrong – therefore, no crime.
Karl worked for Democrats, too.
When he got indicted, he helped the democrats.
OT.
As to the recent rock bottom 31% scored by His Royal Chimpness.
(Snip)
“Moderates gave him an approval rating of 28%, liberals of 7%.”
Is it time for that 7% to admit they aren’t liberals anymore?
-GSD
smoke ‘em if you got ‘em . . .
May 12
Karl Rove, Steve Handley, Bob Woodward
Perjury, lying, obstruction
West of East # 22
Since his 5th GJ appearance, I have been driving my family nuts with -
Wrecked Rover, Wrecked Rover, Send Fitzy Over !
op99@41 – watch who you callin’ bastid, *itch. ;-)I’ll share, even though I though of it first.
MsAnnaNOLA 51, have a great time in Italy, and good luck with the FDL withdrawal. Take some methadone with you.
Is it time for that 7% to admit they aren’t liberals anymore?
No, it’s OK. The 7% are the one’s using medicinal marijuana. They think Gore is president and all of this Bush talk is an amusing hallucination.
cbl #56
I have images of vikings chanting
“Fitz! Fitz! Fitz! Fitz!
Fitz! Fitz! Fitz! Fitz!
Fiiitzzz! Wonderful Fitz!”
followed by Rove (or Libby, or whoever you have your money on) screaming “But I DON’T LIKE FITZ!!!”
All in British accents, of course.
So Memorial Day is Fitzorial Day, I guess. And July 4 becomes July Fitz.
Colbert – “Porter Goss was appointed to fix the C.I.A. — and the best way to do that was to get him out of there.”
Thanks op99.
Ha! Colbert on signing statements. very good.
Porter Mission Accomplished Goss
Indictments handed up: Wednesday, May 24
Presser to announce indictments: Thursday, May 25
3 counts false statements to FBI
3 counts perjury
1 count obstruction of justice
(with lots more conspiracy and bigger charges to come later)
But, I won’t be sorry if I lose and the frogmarch comes earlier – much earlier – like this week!
Won’t Joe Wilson be a HAPPY MAN when we see him at yearlykos – in VEGAS, BABY!
Colbert to Arlen-Rome wasn’t burnt in a day, regarding doing away with Congress…
Rove
12 of may
Obstruction of justice, 1 count.
Perjury, 2 counts.
Giving false statements, 2 counts.
Coonspiracy, 1 count.
Beware, more to come, WHIG going down.
Friday, May 19. Karl Rove: flips, pleads to one count of making a false statement.
Cheney: Outing a CIA Agent, Conspiracy, Obstruction of Justice, Making a false statement (in his unsworn “testimony” with Bush)
Pederastry, Price-fixing (of oil), shooting an old man in the face, being a lying, backstabbing traitor and all-around asshole and son of a bitch.
mommybrain 57, it’s like Jeopardy, ya gotta be first on the buzzer. Rayne mentioned Hadley first but didn’t have the courage of her not-quite-a-conviction.
Harry 67, no racism allowed at FDL, lol.
“Coonspiracy, 1 count.”
hackworth 52 — absolutely.
Karl worked for Democrats, too.
When he got indicted, he helped the democrats.
Maura Liasson will be coughing that one up any day now.
May 12
Karl Rove, 6 counts total: conspiracy, false statements, obstruction, perjury(3)
Andy Card, 3 counts total: conspiracy, obstruction, false statements
Stephen Hadley, 4 counts total: conspiracy, obstruction, false statements, perjury
Dick Cheney, 2 counts, obstruction of justice
May 18 ( a long shot)
Rove and Hadley
false statements and perjury
“feed me, seymour!”
“FEED ME!!!”
This is so exciting! I’ll just watch and try not to be too gleeful bouncing around the warehouse.
And once again, thanks to Jane and Christy and Pach and the rest of you wonderful smart funny people. In the face of political madness this community keeps me sane sometimes…
no matter who gets inditerated when it will all be Bill Clinton’s fault and that Hollaway chick will still be missing.
Q: Will “Fitzmas” ever come?
This enthusiasm is nice, but I have to ask, is there too much optimism? If there is an indictment (of whoever) will that be the end of it, or will there be more? Is it possible this could build until eventually we get either an impeachment (or an “imperchment”) of Bush, and could he be forced to resign? Never mind what SHOULD happen, do you think this really COULD happen?
The disappointment would about kill me if “Fitz” turned into “Fizzle”.
“Karl worked for Democrats, too.” (I don’t know how to do italics)
Joementum may be desperate enough to resort to Karl’s help before it’s all over. Karl’s price for his services: one soul
Conspiracy is a possibility and it takes at least TWO to conspire. Libby, Rove…
fitz, hamsher, feingold, and smith
that’s not got much fitz in it…
May 19
Rove: Lying to FBI, perjury, obstruction
If Hadley were in the crosshairs for any sort of perjury/lying/obstruction charge, I think he would have been charged along with Libby. He dodges an indictment for now.
Nobody gets hit with conspiracy charges just yet. He knows it happened, but it harder to prove than the easier “bald-faced liar” charges.
Nobody gets hit with charges for the “underlying crime” yet, either. No need to risk a greymail defense yet.
I’m not sure why people think Woodward is going to be indicted. For what?
Neuro #68, From your keyboard to God’s monitor.
But if “being a lying, backstabbing traitor and all-around asshole and son of a bitch” was indictable, the whole Tech industry would have been taken down long before the 2001 crash. Heh.
Story on CNN, an LA radio station is offering $500 worth of baby products to the first undocumented immigrants who name their newborn “Lou Dobbs.” BWAHAHAHA.
1. Date; May 17th
2. Official(s) indicted, rover the dog
3. Charges, perjury, obstruction of justice, making false statements,
on another day;
add charges of conspiracy to reveal the identity secret personnel, up to conspiracy to commit treason (others will be added to this list, it is rather long)
Frank Probst 81
“I’m not sure why people think Woodward is going to be indicted. For what?”
For becoming the ultimate beltway cocktail weenie.
5/12
Rove indicted
1 count perjury, 1 count obstruction
Bonus scenario:
“offers” to resign, the Decider turns him down and proclaims his absolute certainty in his innocence, the Decider at 28% JAR by Monday, the networks start airing RMN biopics and docudramas nightly, and of course Congressional Dems do and say nooothing…
“Conspiracy is a possibility and it takes at least TWO to conspire. Libby, Rove…”
That would be conspiracy to out a NOC by the way, additional charges.
1. May 12, 2006
2. Karl Rove, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
3a) Rove – 1 count of obstruction of justice, 5 counts of perjury, 1 count of making false statements, 1 count conspiracy
3b) Libby – 1 count conspiracy
May 11
Rove – 5 counts: Perjury(3),Conspiracy, Obstruction
Hadley – 3 counts: Conspiracy, Obstruction, Perjury
OT – great New Yorker Shouts & Murmers piece from last week: “Rummy in Love” by Bruce McCall. Must-read if you need a laugh!
http://www.newyorker.com/shout…..8sh_shouts
*ooabby, “inditerated”, that could catch on. Did you bang in sick tonight, poor baby?
Jury returns indictments late-ish on May 17th, Fitz waits to announce them until Thursday the 18th.
Rove – 2 counts false statements; 2 counts perjury; 1 count obstruction of justice.
Monsignor Tim/Little Russ – 1 count pissing Fitz off; 3 counts being a fat f*ing hypocrite; 8 counts having a big fat head.
Brit Hume: 1 count being a moron on last week’s show when he claimed Rove wouldn’t be indicted.
Bill Kristol: 73 counts being a disgusting reprehensible turd, 1 count resisting arrest.
Here’s my bet:
Date: Judgement Day
Indicted: All unrepentant Bushco adherents & enablers
Charges:
A) Sins of Commission:
Innumerable counts of the folowing: murder of innocents, torture, war and incitement to war; manifold methods of deceit; aggravated grand larceny; contributing to the delinquency of all others; wilful destruction of God’s creation; mockery of innocence; subversion of all which is good and decent, with debasement of all which is holy by means of gross imposture; hypocrisy to the nth degree; pride and lust for raw power.
B) Sins of omission: Refusal to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, care for the sick, respect the unique beauty of every soul, or to honor the dead; refusal to use one’s God-given talents to help others; denial of justice; severe hardening of heart; lack of mercy and humility; aggravated refusal to make peace.
Witnesses: the murdered, the poor and downtrodden, all the saints and angels of heaven
Announcement: by Gabriel’s horn, witnessed by all of creation.
Well, let’s see.
The Grand Jury meets semi-regularly on Wednesdays, so nothing could happen until Fitz presents the final docs to them and says “purty pleez”.
Therefore…
Wed. 5/10: Fitz to the Jury
Thurs 5/11:
AM: first spatter of new docs on the Fitz Site.
Approx. 2pm — indictment — one count perjury to Mr. Karl Rove, followed by a late afternoon presser.
Friday 5/12 (my wife’s birthday!): Rove resigns and ungraciously kicks Bush’s dog on the way out the door.
December 2043: Rove’s security clearance finally revoked by President Amy Carter.
Got me tinsel ready to fling at any moment, in other words.
JA
At what point does the impeachment exception to the president’s pardon power kick in? If Libby, Rove, Hadley et al are building blocks leading to Darth and Commodus, is Commodus barred from issuing pardons? Does an impeachment have to have been filed, voted on or what?
91 Lobstergirl, were I judging, you’d be the one to beat so far. “8 counts having a big fat head” is absolutely precious.
opp99
no I took a vacation day. yes still sick , thanks for my name change I’m such a dunce lol
Been busy having one of those “zero” birthdays. I’ve been reading y’all but had no time to chime in. Now I can take the time to say, “Wow! I’m excited! Indictments are imminent!” Reading others’ guesses tells me I’d have to go back and review the facts I obsess over. No time to get too specific but I expect Rove to be indicted now, and maybe Hadley and Woodward, but questions remain as to whether Fitzgerald will continue to chip away at the alleged conspirators one by one as we’ve learned he does.
I’ll leave it to the lawyers and judges to analyze how many counts. I do expect obstruction, perjury and making false statements. No idea if conspiracy charges will come now or later. But I expect them too. The evidence is there.
I crave justice like a hot fudge sundae or an illicit lover. Yeah!
During the VP debate – when Darth Cheney said he’d never met Edwards, until today – THAT was Rove, Bush’s brain.
“Hey Dick, Here’s a little debate trick for you. Whenever expedient, throw the little bast**d off balance by spouting an all but undetectable belittling insult. ‘I don’t know you, you little f***. I never met you before today.’”
G’Night all, hate to leave when the joint is hopping, have fun.
May 12
Karl Rove
Perjury, Obstruction of Justice
OT comment – Why are all of these republicans suddenly so worried about a military man (General Hayden) being the head of the CIA? Something doesn’t smell right here. There must be some other reason they are against him.
/me polishes the crystal ball and reads…
Date: May 18th
Official: ‘A’ = Karl Rove
Charges: 2 counts making false statements, 1 count perjury, 1 count obstruction
Time to go buy a lottery ticket!
I just can’t get my hopes up. I really respect Fitz, but I think Rove is burrowed in like a tick.
This entire administration feels like a Wiley Coyote cartoon.
p.s. — My real guess is Rove, but I’m stuck between the 12th and the 19th. I hope it’s the 12th because I’m so impatient, and because every day the regime is not crippled is another day when they can do more damage (including make more wars).
However, a close personal friend has a birthday on the 19th and is looking forward to one heck of a blowout if that day can be linked forever with the humiliation of Rove.
There would be a lovely kind of symmetry if somehow the announcement could be May 13, a Saturday, Stephen Colbert’s birthday!
100 – Why are all of these republicans suddenly so worried about a military man (General Hayden) being the head of the CIA? Something doesn’t smell right here. There must be some other reason they are against him.
Yeah, it smells kind of like when all those Republicans were suddenly so alarmed that Harriet Miers didn’t have a big enough brain to sit on the Supreme Court, when we all know they only cared about her position on the litmus test issues. I have no idea what the real reasons re Hayden are though.
Fitzo de Mayo could come on the 12th, the 19th, or the 26th…
May 10th
4 counts
2 on obstruction
2 on purjury
i dunno, makin’ a bet on it just feels to me like jinxin’ it. i have to go with pach (at #16), but you all go ahead. have fun with it! i like valley girl’s bet. like bourbon neat.
Rove, obstruction and perjury. May 19th.
BTW, O/T, for you YearlyKos attendees in Vegas (I registered, and will be around to party — I live here), my guys just did a deal with The Palms through the end of the year. Plan to stay over till Monday night and hear the best band you ever heard:
http://santafeandthefatcityhorns.blogspot.com/
True professionals.
He’s never really been mentioned much, but one sumbitch I’d LOVE to see indicted is Abu Gonzales – what a lying, smarmy, slimy, reptilian criminal that man is! And I know he’s involved – with obstruction in the time gap, at the very least. Off with his head!
May 19 announcement. Rove. Obstruction of Justice; Perjury; 18 USC 1001. At least 5 counts total.
The interest will be vindicated, even though the CIA is dead. Long live the CIA.
Date of announcement: Thurs., May 25
Officials: Hadley, Scooter, Rove
Charges:
Hadley, conspiracy
Scooter, conspiracy
Rove, perjury (2), obstruction (2), conspiracy
I hope I’m right! But I know I’m not!
As someone whose entire family sat around after dinner and read out loud from the Government Printing Office transcripts of the Nixon tapes, this is bringing back such fond memories. After that, we were no longer Republicans.
Karl Rove
May 12th
Obstruction of Justice-1 count
Making False Statements-2 counts
Ok, here goes:
Damn. I love how well this site handles nested blockquotes.
lobstergirl (#105):
cuz he’s from a workin’ class family. that’s enough to earn their distrust. might be a closet prol. they think maybe he might go to fitz for tutoring on the 4th amendment. well, pigs can fly can’t they?
everything’s coming up roveses
you’re killing me!
okay, here are my shots in the dark:
1) date: Friday, May 12, 2006
2) official(s) indicted: Karl Christian Rove
3) charges:
a) false statements
b) perjury
1. Wed, May 18th
2. Rove
3. Obstruction of justice, false statements to FBI
I think Rove will be indicted, the announcement will probably come a week from Friday, but in an unexpected twist, though Patrick Fitzgerald will ask the Grand Jury for the expected indictments of perjury, obstruction, and possibly conspiracy, the Grand Jury itself will instead hand down a felony indictment of Karl Rove for mopery in the first degree. Perhaps multiple counts.
Youse mugs heard it here first! ;^)
May 12
Karl Rove
Perjury, lying, obstruction
Bob Woodward
perjury, obstruction
Date – Eternity
Officials – Bush, Rove and the rest
Charges – 300 Million Counts of Lying to the American People
Judith Miller
Prostitution and solicitation
-GSD
jajajajajajajaja … uncle uncle …you guys are killing me!
When: Monday May 22nd (Fitz won’t do it on a Friday)
Who: Just Karl
Charges: Just lying to the grand jury (another narrowly-drawn indictment) Fitz is nothing if not methodical.
Demosthenes: “The 7% are the one’s using medicinal marijuana. They think Gore is president and all of this Bush talk is an amusing hallucination.”
That sounds like some seriously messed up shit.
Can I have some?
May 17, 2006
Rove,
The guy who photoshopped Rove frog marched out of the whitehouse
Barbara Bush
Karl Rove- Being the turd master of the world
Photoshop Guy – having to wait so freaking long for the indictment.
Barbara Bush – Worst Mother in the World!
1. May 19, 2006
2. Karl Rove
3. False statements-two counts
Perjury–one count
Obstruction–one count
A girl can dream….
—
Everybody sing along!
It’s beginning to look alot like Fitzmas …
I know we’re kidding about the media claiming, after Rove’s indictment, that Rove worked for Democrats too.
But there is an important point to be made here.
We must tie Rove around the necks of Bush, Cheney and all Republicans.
Rove embodies what it means to be a 21st century Republican.
Rove is the epitome of a Republican.
Rove’s Republicans.
As in “They are all Rove Republicans.” or “Don’t believe a word he says, he’s just another Rove Republican.”
Rove defines the Republican Party.
In the days ahead, we must do everything we can to make sure that no one ever forgets it.
I’m in for:
May 31
Karl Rove, Steven Hadley
Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy
[later]
Dead-eye Dick
Obstruction, Conspiracy
________________________________
Kinda OT:
Happy 150th to Siggy! He gave us a line on our dreams….
Watching Dubya trash Poppy’s jewels is just too good to pass up in Freud’s birthday week.
First the presidency, now the CIA
Anywhere else Poppy worked better watch out
Dubya’s got it in for you
PS:
feline version -
eh, da puss
PPS:
not a Freudian here, but even a broken clockface is right twice a day
richard armitage and joe wilson will be indicted. tomorrow.
hurm
Karl Rove will be charged with: 3 counts of making a false statement (18 USC 1001), 2 counts of perjury, 1 count of obstruction of justice. 0 counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice, for the moment. Date of public announcement of the next indictment: May 11, 2006. Then, if there is no plea bargain, look for a superceding indictment this summer which includes conspiracy to obstruct justice, charging Rove, Libby and other named defendants, and with an unindicted co-conspirator whose last name is Cheney.
This will be followed by Cheney’s resignation for “Health reasons.” Which will be followed by the Bush’s efforts to name a new Veep. (The obvious favorite for this position will be McCain, but he won’t get the nod unless he makes a secret promise to pardon George and his buddies.)
Also look for the resignation of Alberto Gonzalez before the year is over.
Colbert on signing statements – so funny. Karl Rove’s signature cracked me up. He really deserves a Rove or other indictment for his birthday, but I bet he’d be willing to celebrate one night early.
I have no guesses, but liked Op99s. So many have Hadley being indicted too! You think he would announce both together v. stretching it a bit more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Belowthread – Scarecrow 121 – there is no requirement for proving motive, but it does come into play IMO. It is hard to put together the proof and “tell the story” without motive entering in, although I think it is all a matter of degree – that motive is less an issue with the perjury and more with the IIPA (JMO though).
ValleyG – as per what you mentioned, conspiracy would not have to involve IIPA and could be conspiracy to obstruct, for example. Also, there are quite a few cases where conspiracy charges were brought separate from and later – so you are good to go on that too.
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non-sequitor – when I was in Lexington in school, there was a high profile local case involving conspiracy – wealthy families, new money v old money, grandjury testimony sold to targets(typists carbons – remember carbons? – stolen by her boyfriend) etc. In true American fashion, there were probably 5 or 6 who were charged with conspiracy – the wealthy targets and the broke boyfriend. Everyone was acquitted on conspiracy – except the no-money guy. He was convicted for conspiracy. With – ?????????
One of those charges was a new $$$ onceupona trophy wife, by then bleached and brassy, who got an actual soapbox and a megaphone and put it up in Triangle Square on the day she was acquitted and gave very impromptu, very drunken, speeches on life and liberty, wearing very sheer RedWhite&Blue and bouncing a lot.
I always think of that case when I hear conspiracy. Lexington is an interesting little city.
Best case (assuming must be on Wednesday or Friday, due to schedule of grand jury):
Rove indicted on Wednesday morning, Media Advisory issued late Wednesday morning, press conference at 2:00 PM Wednesday.
This is what happened with Libby (but on a Friday in that case). Last week I read that Fitz would give 24-hour notice before press conf., but apparently this did not happen last time. See:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/
Even as a child, the night before Christmas never felt this good.
anon (#102)
“This entire administration feels like a Wiley Coyote cartoon.”
you mean like the one at the bottom of my post “karl rove: super-genius”?
PS — Just thought I’d drop a note — we have a very special guest we want to bring to the Plame panel but YK can’t afford it. If anyone’s got extra airline miles email me — janehamsher AT firedoglake DOTT com.
Note: It’s a GOOOOOD one…….
what plame panel? i’m a little out of the loop. . .
1. October 1945
2. Hermann Goering
3. Conspiracy to commit crimes alleged in other accounts, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity
(history. rinse. repeat.)
May 18
Rove, alone.
False statements, perjury, obstruction, illegal activities with a perch.
everhopeful 110 and fiddlerontheroof 130
Your lips to God’s ears.
Only a couple with Card?
Mrs. K8: “Announcement: by Gabriel’s horn, witnessed by all of creation.”
Excuse me?
I am not a flasher.
You can look it up. Those charges were *dropped*.
A scurrilous slur, slut!
(Say *that* 5 times fast.)
Hmmm most of the best ones are taken so:
May 17th
Official A
obstruction: 2 counts, false statements: 1 count, perjury: 2 counts
This prediction, although non-specific, is written in Haiku. Am hoping for extra credit from the judges. (Or at least hoping for a future Rove Haiku contest).
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Rove conspiracy
to out a CIA NOC
Leads to Frog (May?) March
1. When: Last
weekyear.2. Who: too many to list
3. Charges: general asshattery.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
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1. 6/6/6
2. Rove
3. Conquest. war, famine, etc
*ilson: (from a previous parallel universe):
Que viva Fitzgeraldo!
Had I been in that parallel universe at that parallel point in bloghistory, I would have said:
*ilson – you’re killing me
Breaking news on Fox on Rove Indictment Day: We’ve just learned that Karl Rove was working for the Clintons on the double super secret. We’ll have analysis at 9 by Hannity & Colmes on how the Democrats intend to spin this shocking and devastating indictment of one of their inside men in the White House during a time of War.
Kirk 128: First the presidency, now the CIA
Anywhere else Poppy worked better watch out
Uh-oh. 41 was a major player in the Iranian coup, wasn’t he?
steve gilliard has a post that is a must read.
How far have we come?
http://stevegilliard.blogspot……-come.html
Although I know Karl did nothing wrong, I’m going to take the long shot and say perjury and conspiracy. Libby will also be indicted on conspiracy. These are the typical charges made by a prosecutor that has no case.
Mary: “One of those charges was a new $$$ onceupona trophy wife, by then bleached and brassy, who … gave very impromptu, very drunken, speeches on life and liberty, wearing very sheer RedWhite&Blue and bouncing a lot.”
For God’s sake, don’t let Jean Schmidt anywhere *near* that outfit.
The thought of Jean Schmidt standing in front of Congress, insulting a war here, in colors both patriotic and sheer…
It terrifies me.
Every good contest needs some good music (with apologies to Irving Berlin):
When you’re Blue and you don’t know where to go to
Why don’t you go where Justice sits?
Waitin’ on the Fitz!
Warner gets it.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..74,00.html
yikes!
I am not the poster in 151
Wow. A large number of you are fairly confident about this.
OK. I’ll through my two cents in. Please understand that I usually run from making
predictions because my track record shows I am almost always wrong. So, with that in mind, I hereby predict:
Fitz will not announce any indictments in May.
There. Now here’s to hoping I maintain a consistent track record…
Hmm..isn’t this contest a tad “uncivil”?
Karl Rove
indicted 5.12.06.
1 count obstruction of justice
2 counts making false statements
2 counts perjury
1. 5/11/06
2. Rove
3. Perjury/Obstruction of Justice
I don’t care who wins this contest as long as Rove is indicted, forced to leave the WH and loses his security clearance. That would be the Fitzmas present. JAIL TIME would be the Christmas present. Who says liberals hate Christmas?
5/19
rover:
2 counts of perjury (lying to grand jury)
1 count of obstruction of justice
1 count of conspiracy
May 12
Rove
2 charges:
crimes against the aesthetic (his ugly mug)
crimes against humanity (wanton disregard of human life,
when it comes to political ambitions)
Punishment:
has to spend eternity in a cellblock listening to Bush talk, while his own mouth is taped shut
and no more donuts
Rove – May 12; Obstruction, False Statements, Perjury
5-12
One obstruction
One conspiracy
Because I like the artisry of it.
marky 157
the contest seems beyond “uncivil”…
all the way to criminal :)
no indictment.
all been a charade. fitz will accept a federal judgeship. and move on.
This is so OT but I just read this article and am sitting here with my mouth open I’m so astounded at the brainlessness of the WH.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00898.html
I predict a Saturday Night Massacre: Fitzgerald fired before indictments can be issued. May 20 at the latest (which, conveniently, is a Saturday, but it doesn’t actually have to fall on that day of the week).
OK, because this is going to be tight… :-)
Put me in for one count of lying to an investigator during a terrorism related investigation. That will get Rove’s attention.
May 18 – GJ meets on Wednesday, and its too tacky for Fitz to do that Friday afternoon announcement thing. Going out there on a Thursday just before lunch sends a strong message to the whole spin apparatus.
Rove, Libby, Hadley – conspiracy, obstruction of justice
Rove, perjury and related charges
Cheney – conspiracy. Obstruction of justice comes later
Bush – unidicted co-conspirator
29% for W by the 20th-21st of May
Friday (take out the trash day).
3 Counts of Perjury
1 Count of Lying to Investigators
1 Count of Obstruction
1 Count for Title 18, either Section 793 or Section 794. I still want to see Rove fry for his treason. I also see Libby rating another indictment in that area too. If nothing else, I’d love to see those charges spun by Victoria Tsoensing or her wing-nut hubby, Joseph De-Genova. If either rates 793 or 794, you won’t see them on tv at all.
….coming home after one hell of a long work day, one powers up the PC, clicks on the important bookmarked site FDL and begins reading this blog. YES! There is a god!!
Jane, Christy et al: Your continued work and presentation on the Plame case has been so important. There is no where else a mere, plain, average citizen can turn to get the facts, the analysis, and yes…even the gossip… on probably one of the most pivotal cases in history. I stand in awe of your abilities. But most of all, I am so completely grateful for your perserverence.
This is probably EPU’d, but ….like I said, it’s been a long work day and this is where I end up.
Grateful, in admiration, and vowing to take back my America from the whores to deceit like Rove, Bush and their ilk. Somehow, I do not think I am alone.
jcricket.
Well, this is what happens when I’m not online for a while. But whatever I guess will be wrong, so I think I’ll join the wait-and-seers and just be on pins and needles.
Jane 135 – aaagh! You’re killing me! I just started a new job and I can’t take time off work but I’m gonna have to play hookey for the day just so I can go to Vegas for the panel. Wait, I forget now–is it on Friday or Saturday? (What airline? Any airline? I don’t know how that works.)
all bases pretty much covered by now, so I won’t hazard a guess. I proffer a tangential theme song instead, adapted from:
SUBLIME: Doin’ Time
Summertime and the livin’s easy,
and Hadley’s on the microphone with Rove M.G.
all the people in the dance will agree
that we’re well qualified to represent the OSP, me and Libby, run to the party
dance to the rhythm
it gets harder.
(OT part follows):
Me and my girl, we got this relationship.
I love her so bad but she treats me like shit on lock down like a penitentiary.
she spreads her lovin’ all over and when she get home there’s none left for me
[chorus]
oh take this veil from off my eyes,
my burning sun will some day rise
so what am I gonna be doin’ for life
say i’m gonna perjure myself,
show them how we come off the shelf, so what
[chorus]
Evil, I’ve come to tell you that she’s evil,
most definitely, evil, ornery scandalous and evil, most definitely.
the tension, is getting hotter,
I’d like to hold her,
head underwater, ohooohh
So take a tip, take a tip, take a t-t-t-tip from me.
Hadley’s on the microphone with Rove M.G.
all the people in the dance will agree
that we’re well qualified to represent the OSP,
me, la la Libby, while everybody, run to the rhythm it gets harder.
jcricket,
I think there’s only been one time when some new topic came up this late at night here, so not much chance of being EPUd.
I’ll make a speculative high bid (going for shame or glory):
May 26.
Rove, 1 obstruction, 2 perjury, 1 conspiracy to obstruct justice.
Bush, Cheney and Hadley named unindicted coconspirators.
May 12, 2006
Karl Rove – perjury, making false statements, obstruction of justice, conspiracy (x2 – to out Plame and to cover up crime)
Cheney – indicted; false statements or perjury; conspiracy
George W. Bush – named and identified as unindicted co-conspirator
Fitz can go back and get indictments for the WHIG group, others, including some press people later.
punaise,
awesome!!
Jcricket – It is very difficult to get EPU’d on Late Night FDL – at least until the morning.
Even a master of the [Evil Parallel] Universe, such as myself, whose kung fu is, naturally, unparalleled, must concentrate to make it happen. *G*
Karl Rove
May 12th
Obstruction of Justice-1 count
Making False Statements-4 counts
Karl Rove, May 19, in the library, with a candlestick.
EDIT: I didn’t know Tom used the same “Clue” thing… damn you!
Over at EW’s crib, Tom Maguire, too lazy to click over here himself, prognosticates:
As to the contest – May 19, Rove, false statements/perjury/obstruction for failing to describe his talk with Cooper.
If he wins (probably), you can donate his prize to PNAC.
Jane/op99
I love it when I see people use the gaming term “pwned.” I saw it on the Judy Miller MySpace page by “John Bolton.” It. Was. Hilarious.
May 19th.
Karl Rove.
Perjury. Obstruction. False statements.
Father Fitzmas announces that the investigation is ongoing. :)
ET 177 – it’s the original song by Sublime that’s truly awesome; have you heard it? (maybe not your cup of tea: LA gang band that had only one album – I believe – before the leader OD’d; curious mix of reggae, punk, mile-wide pop hooks, poignant and provocative lyrics…the “summertime” part is of course, borrowed from Porgy & Bess)
Jane reminded me:
Anybody here want to split a room at the Riviera for YearlyKos Wednesday night until Sunday morning check out?
I’m a clean non-smoker.
Date- May 16th
Official- Karl Rove
Charge/s- Lying to a Grand Jury, Obstruction of Justice, making false statements ( no idea on number of counts…)
Fitz…
Apparently something for the war profiteers database:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0508.html
Hmm, let’s see …
May 17
Andy Card – obstruction of justice
Karl Rove – false statements to a GJ, lying to FBI, obstruction of justice, public skankiness
I’m not sure how long this contest will go on, but a few weeks later, Scooter Libby will be indicted for revealing the identity of an undercover CIA agent.
And can we hear a little more about Fitzmas please? A few more festive pictures for the new posts. Because this is the second Fitzmas in one year, and there may well be a third and fourth. And after five years of these cretins we deserve every possible opportunity to celebrate.
Re: (#188) – “false statements to a GJ” is more concisely known as “perjury”.
Gosh, but I’m late to the party. And I’m still unglued by GSD #27!
May 18
Rove only
1 count obstruction,
2 counts perjury,
2 counts false statements,
6 counts extreme creepyness
anon (#102):
vivid, baby, vivid!
May 12 would be the perfect day. It is my birthday and I can’t think of a better present then:
2 counts of perjury
1 count of obstruction
1 count of conspiracy
AND
1 count of conspiracy for Libby
Aarrgghh @ 132:
Super Duper genius!
;>)
Guys like Lee Atwater and John T. Dolan wrote large the text that Rove cribbed his cheat sheets from.
All of them together, frozen in the amber of long-ago memory, young collegians forged on the anvil of Nixonian ethical relativism.
What they couldn’t teach him, due to their own lack of capacity, was how to inoculate oneself from the withering effects of moral apathy developed when any tactic, no matter how foul can be implemented because the only issue is winning, and the only impediment to victory is possession of a social conscience.
And now he alone remains at the apex, running out of realities to create for our judicious study. Let the hammer fall.
1) May 17
2) Karl Christian Rove
3) Obstruction of justice – 1 count/Perjury – 3 counts
PS — Just thought I’d drop a note — we have a very special guest we want to bring to the Plame panel but YK can’t afford it. If anyone’s got extra airline miles email me — janehamsher AT firedoglake DOTT com.
Note: It’s a GOOOOOD one…….
It’s Ann Coulter in a cage and we get to pelt her with rocks and garbage??!! Oh, say it’s true! Please, please, please.
Oh, you shouldn’t have! (Bounty hunters are on the pricey side these days, aren’t they? It’s the price of gas. It pushes up the cost of everything….)
Mary @ 9:43 pm (#131) – My guess is that he was convicted of conspiring to make lawyers work pro bono.
You guys are starting to make me feel very envious you get to go to YK. But I’ll try to work on my issue.
Happy early birthday Kewalo! Aren’t you in our WA State group?
I’m going to go long. Fitzgerald didn’t indict Libby until almost the end of the grand jury term.
So:
Rove gets it June 2nd. Four counts on one charge of perjury. One count on one charge of making false statements to FBI. Three counts on one charge of obstructing justice. Two counts on one charge of violating 50 USC 421. Since we still don’t know what Bush said to Fitzgerald in private interview, Cheney named unindicted co-conspirator on the obstructing justice charge. Bush a longshot for the same.
Hadley, on the same day as Rove. Two counts on one charge of obstructing justice (one for grand jury testimony, one for not supplying the email he received from Rove that Luskin magically produced after VNovak’s tete-a-tete with him).
The outliers: Ari Fleischer gets it on or near June 21st. One count on one charge of obstructing justice. Same for Karen Hughes on one count on one charge of making false statements.
The other wild card here would be indictments of various members of WHIG for conspiracy to obstruct justice. I think Fitzgerald knows that they were all in on the effort to discredit Wilson and discussed responses to Wilson’s charges, in detail, as a normal part of that group’s duties, and it seems more than a little likely that they all would have known about Rove’s and Libby’s efforts. This charge could well be an afterthought, though.
shoephone – same here. no can go. sniff, sniff.
Oh, and BTW:
This Friday
Rove
2 perjuries, one obstruction and four counts of making false statements.
And because I’m feeling giddily optimistic,
Friday, August 11, 2006
Judy Miller
1 count making false statements, one perjury, conspiracy, obstruction.
punaise:
on an earlier thread asking for songs i suggested you do lyrics to “guantanamera”. and so i ask again, puhweese, putty puweese!
May 18 is the anniversary of Mt St Helens blowing her top. Somehow, it has a nice kind of symmetry to it, so I will plunk my dime on that date.
May 18,
Rove: obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy.
Libby: Conspiracy added to his already existing charges.
My true hope is that this gives our president de facto, Cheney a “medical” reason to retire.
Then we can get on with impeaching the Worst. President. Ever.
punaise,
I’ve heard of Sublime. My son’s asleep, but I’ll ask him in the morning if he has their album on his ipod. He’s got a lot of LA gang stuff, but hasn’t been listening to that lately. Every kind of music is my “cup of tea” when done well.
punaise, shoephone -
I’m sorry you guys can’t make it. I wouldn’t be able to go if I didn’t have help.
Jane – more props from Wolcott:
…Ever since the Jane Hamsher put Ponnuru in her slingshot sights at Firedoglake, the Cornerites have rallied around to form a protective cordon, knowing that any one of them could be the next target of an acorn strike to the forehead.
ET – enjoy the tunes!
fahrender – I’m drawing a blank w/ guantanamera…should that ring a bell?
Matt O – glad you can get there
Hey guys, nice to know that the late-nite FDL crew prevents the EPU status — and especially coming from the Master Evil Parellel Universe!!! Whoa!!! I have not done this before. This is way so, quite kewl. Maybe I can fight off the effects of the nightcap for a while longer!! It’s a nice feeling. You guys are really great!
Wow, I feel so young that I listened to Sublime as a kid.
Wolcott has a subtle troll in the first paragraph.
Thanks punaise.
Today
Bush and Rove
Pederasty
Matt O – I’m going to be at a convention in Minneapolis, but will try to sneak away periodically with my laptop to catch up on all that you guys are doing in Las Vegas! The next best thing to being there…
Somehow, I do not think I am alone.
jcricket.
That’s the whole reason this place exists, jc. It’s like that corny (but still sort of wonderful) Blind Melon video. We’re all just dancing around in our PlameGate bee-suits here.
You’re among friends.
shoephone -
It should be fun. I am interested in meeting my fellow patriotic netizens. Unfortunately for me, I don’t own a laptop so I’ll have to do it old school – pen and paper.
Richard Cohen is pwned! Whine, whine, whine… My decoding of it: “Life was so good when we only got spanked by the right-wingers. We actually liked it in a kinky sort of way. We like our tops fascist.”
Digital Lynch Mob
By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, May 9, 2006; Page A23
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01323.html
(…)
Kapow! Within a day, I got more than 2,000 e-mails. A day later, I got 1,000 more. By the fourth day, the number had reached 3,499 — a figure that does not include the usual offers of nubile Russian women or loot from African dictators. The Colbert messages began with Patrick Manley (”You wouldn’t know funny if it slapped you in the face”) and ended with Ron (”Colbert ROCKS, you MURDER”) who was so proud of his thought that he copied countless others. Ron, you’re a genius.
Truth to tell, I peeked into only a few of the e-mails. I did this because I would sometimes recognize a name I thought I knew, which was almost always a mistake. When I guilelessly clicked on the name, I would get a bucket of raw, untreated and disease-laden verbal sewage right in the face.
(…)
Any chance Fitz will make a show out of handcuffing Rove and placing him into a G-car? As opposed to the friendly, white collar way of allowing the crook to turn himself in – away from the cameras?
What are the legal requirements? Is Fitz nasty enough to parade Rove in handcuffs?
T-Rex
Don’t forget wearing tin foil hats and swingin’ around pitchers of kool aid!
Warning: I have temporarily removed the tin foil from around my head (which keeps those damn voices from constantly talking to me.
Wishfully thinking…
By July 17th, Carl, George, Dick, and all of Congress for treason.
Note: Tin foil fitted back over most of my head… Though, with some holes (that being in the tin foil and my head).
Note 2: “HuffPro’s” 1st anniversary today (05.09.2006). Good for her — Arianna — and most of all contributors and readers.
On a more serious note, some comments on Cohen’s column. It’s got to be the saddest and most pathetic thing I’ve read in a long time. These people have been treating Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter respectfully as peers for years — all the while they called for terrorist attacks on San Francisco and for the military internment of all liberals and sicced hordes of freepers to harass journalists (to which the media’s response is always ‘thank you sir, can I have another’). But now Cohen is shocked, shocked that sane people have had enough of the lies and of the catastrophic damage to the country that our media classes enabled.
The analogy to Nixon’s election is tired and ridiculous. Actually, there is a good analogy to Nixon, but not to his election. I don’t remember there being an unpopular corrupt Republican President in power before Nixon?… In Nixon’s election, the frustration of liberals was destructive because it was directed at a Democratic President.
The correct analogy is to Nixon’s second term. Bush is now polling very close to Nixon’s post-Watergate levels, and this time in spite of a sycophantic press. That’s extraordinary. It’s not just liberals who are outraged at the Administation. 65% of Americans disapprove of Bush! Nixon post-Watergate never got above 66% (both numbers from the Gallup poll). If anything, that outrage, which as now was backed by a broad popular consensus (this time minus the press) got us a President who was much too decent for the toxic slime of the Washington political and media elites in which people like Cohen are so thoroughly soaked they can’t even smell it anymore.
But, hey, let’s not let reality get in the way of Cohen’s truthiness. Reality has a well-know liberal bias.
OK, so I see that Guantanamera is a Cuban folk song; guess I’m missing something…
OT:
I hadn’t thought it out thoroughly before, but here goes:
The far right has a plan for your daughter if she’s raped:
If she’s raped by a person with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and she has an abortion, your daughter is publicly humiliated and goes to jail.
If she’s raped by a person who is mentally retarded and she has an abortion, she goes to jail.
If she’s raped by a person from a multi-generational background of child sexual abuse and she has an abortion, she goes to jail.
If she’s raped by anyone and has an abortion, she’s publicly humiliated and goes to jail.
When she gets out of jail, she’s a convicted felon. But, as dysfunctional as our correctional system is, should the far right’s agenda on criminalizing abortion of rape victims go through, within ten years of the enactment of those laws, we’ll have a situation like this:
Woman gets raped by repeat sex offender who is son of well-connected televangelist. Gets abortion. Gets convicted. Goes to prison. Gets raped by prison guard. Performs self abortion in jail. Gets caught. Gets convicted again. Gets raped by another prison guard. Performs second self abortion. Convicted for third time, which mandates life in prison, where, you guessed it…………..
The far right has a plan to make bunga-bunga jokes obsolete.
Here goes:
May 12th
Rove
5 counts of f*ing with the Jesus
…SOMEthing is going to happen on the 12th, it looks like a tsunami of emotion building that day…#193 – exciting day for a birthday…it will either be the scorpions fatal sting or a phoenix rising from the ashes…champagne’s on ice next to grandma’s Fosteria crystal… everyone’s invited…
From http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..07-2.html, via Huffingtonpost.com:
Interview of the President by Kai Diekmann of BILD
The Oval Office
May 5, 2006
1:55 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Have you ever been in the Oval Office before?
Q Once, a long time ago —
THE PRESIDENT: I’ll give you a quick tour before our interview. So, the first thing that a President does, which I didn’t realize, was pick a rug. I have no idea about rugs. And so in this job you’ve got to delegate. The American President is in a position where there’s just unbelievable complexities to the job — Darfur, Iran — a whole lot of issues. So I delegated the decision about the rug to my wife.
The second thing a President has got to do is have a strategic mind. In order to be successful, in my judgment, as the President, you’ve got to constantly think strategically. And so I said to her, you pick out the colors, you be the tactical person, but I want it to say “optimistic person.” That’s all I wanted it to say. Here is the result. Isn’t it beautiful?
Q Yes, it is very beautiful.
It just gets stupider and stupider…..if you can believe that. And this is the White House version, posted on its own website. This clown doesn’t even try to hide his gross stupidity.
This Friday at 3:11 mountain time.
May 24
Rover:
3 counts of perjury
2 counts of obstruction
1 count of conspiracy
Libby:
1 count of obstruction.
1:09 pm EDT May 17, 2006
Karl Rove : Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, Conspiracy.
Stephen Hadley : Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, Conspiracy.
Andrew Card : Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, Conspiracy.
Judith Miller : Perjury
Karl Rove
obstruction of justice 1 count
perjury 2 counts
making false statements 2 counts
Friday, May 12th 2006
mz #216 – See? Richard Cohen really is a funny guy, Just like he said he was last week. That column is one knee slapper after another.
Like Atrios says, it’s time to retire, Richard.
oh, I Gitmo o less what it’s about
Karl Rove, on May 10th, 7 counts of perjury, 2 counts of obstruction of justice, 2 counts of lying to the FBI, 1 count of conspiricy to Obstruct
John (???) Hannah, May 10th, 1 count obstruction of justice (plea deal)
and for my bonus points
Bob (goldbars) Luskin, 1 count of perjury, 1 count of obstruction of justice and 1 count of conspiricy to obstruct
so where do I collect my money ???
1. May 19
2. KR
3. Perjury, Obstruction, Conspiracy & The Leak
The guy is a traitor, and the evidence is there for all to see. If Fitz doesn’t charge him with the leak, then he’s a pussy, and all this has been a waste of time.
spiderpaws 224
…SOMEthing is going to happen on the 12th
I like the sound of that spider intuition
Date: May 16, 2006
Offical: Karl Rove
Counts: 1 count obstruction, 3 counts perjury
Friday the 12th.
4 counts of perjury.
2 counts of obs.
Karl Rove: Obstruction of Justice, 5 counts Perjury, Tampering with evidence
Andrew Card: Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, Tampering with evidence
“An acorn strike to the forhead.”
That is hilarious.
Jane, Walcott, bam, pow!
-GSD
GSD — that is pretty funny.
Charges: He’ll be charged with obstruction of justice and perjury, but I’m going to base my bet on this: Rove will be charged with leaking classified information under Title 18, as proposed by John Dean. He will be charged with THE BIG CRIME.
Damn, I gotta do all three? Okay:
1. Date: thursday, May 11
2. Official(s) indicted: Rove and Hadley
3. See above
Let’s face it. The contest is over! We’re all just playing catch-up to GSD’s prediction #27: “Judith Miller: prostitution and soliciting”. I say we face the fact that we’ve been out-done, and award the prize forthwith to GSD. It’s hillarious, yet there’s something extra woven into that quick witticism – something profound about our all-too-human vulnerabilities.
Date:
Fitz works hard, he’ll put in a full week on it and serve Friday (this Friday) unless there is a specific day in the week based one schedule (dunno)
Who:
Official A..hole
Charges:
3 counts Perj, 2 counts Obstruc, 1 lying to federal prosecuters, & 2 Conspiricy related charges.
Later:
Libby & Rove get charged with the leak & some charges on the special circumstances surrounding it (not treason – which it is; but some charge that covers that aspect of their crime).
Watch out for a Prez Logan shoot down the plane moment.
Meanwhile they can’t even keep a CIA they put together – together. Hey uniter…not divider right?
May 17th (Happy Birthday, Dad!)
Rove – 3 counts obstruction, 3 counts perjury
Abu Gonzales – 1 count obstruction, 1 count conspiracy, 1 count perjury
Andrew Card – 1 count obstruction, 1 count conspiracy, 1 count perjury
May 19
Rove – perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy
Hadley – obstruction of justice, conspiracy
Card – obstruction of justice
Remember the quote attributed to Hadley saying he thought he’d be indicted. This time he will be…for the coverup, deleting emails before documents were secured at the beginnning of the investigation.
Rove indicted Friday, 12 May.
Perjury, 3 counts.
Obstruction of justice, 1 count.
1917 Intelligence act, 1 count.
Libby re-indicted Friday, 12 May.
Obstruction of justice, 1 count.
1917 Intelligence act, 1 count.
It’s not nearly enough, but it’s a good start.
wed.: May 10th indictment
fri May 12 Fitz news conference
purjury
obstruction of justice
I just wish their could be Treason attached
Rove on May 10 for obstruction and perjury. Investigation continues.
I go to bed and miss all the fun! But here goes:
Rove- 2 counts obstruction, 4 counts perjury, 1 count lying to FBI.
Date: May 19
5/19, Rove (only), 2 counts perjury (only).
May 12 th
Rove
1 count obstruction
3 counts pergury
1 count making false statements to FBI
1 count conspiracy
Throw the ratbastard in jail Friday.
Friday, May 26, 2006; Karl Rove; Obstruction of Justice.
May 19th, 2pm, Karl Rove indicted for obstruction of justice.
Ha!
5/17–Anniversary of Morse’s 1st telegraph message: “What hath God wrought”.
5 grand jury appearances X 2=10 counts perjury
obstruction=5 counts
false statement=7 counts
Total 22 counts
Goldbars-1 obstruction
1) May 24 (wednesday before Memorial Day)
2) Rove (for the moment)
3) Obstruction, perjury and a conspiracy charge on the underlying espionage charge.
I really don’t know how many counts of obstruction and perjury — I’ll guess two and four respectively. The conspiracy charge is really just positive thinking, but if it happens, it would be a great signal of Fitztastic thing to come.
GJ will hand up indictments on 5/17 & Fitz will hold the presser on the 18th (my daughter’s b’day).
As much as I’d like to see several of these clowns bite the dust, I think Fitz is focusing on Rove now. So, Fat Boy gets 1 count conspiracy, 3 counts perjury, and 2 obstruction of justice.
Oh, and Scooter gets a conspiracy count added to his show.
And, the celebrating begins at 5:01 pm, EDT 5/18 – chill the bubbly boys and girls!
Rove might actually get indicted in the end, but until then, cool your jets. All in all, I think Shuster’s source(s) are lowering the bar.
Well, I’ve read ‘em. And I already know who is going to win.
Let’s not be fooled by the ADHD-type FDLer’s streaming away from the starting line, desperately craving their quick fix of Fitz-given gratification.
Trust the Tortoise on this one. Pacing is the key for this race. And that makes Mrs K8’s prediction a lock.
(Trouble is, will DVD players still be around come Judgement Day? Maybe you can award the prize in advance, Pach?)
May 18 because it’s my Mom’s birthday and I know it’s just what she wants.
Rove.
Lying to the fbi, perjury, and I’m thinking the emails are helpful to prove obstruction of justice.
No conspiracy charge yet.
Clueless: “From http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..07-2.html, via Huffingtonpost.com … It just gets stupider and stupider…..if you can believe that. And this is the White House version, posted on its own website. This clown doesn’t even try to hide his gross stupidity.”
I just saw that myself and was flabbergasted.
I don’t which is worse:
A) That Bush sounds like a complete total fucking idiot, even more so than usual, or
B) That the White House is actually showcasing the article on its website.
Given that this is at the WH’s site, I’m assuming it’s the original transcript and not a translation from the German article. And if I’m wrong, it’s their own damn fault for not specifying otherwise.
Anyway, here are some more choice quotes:
I know it’s hard to believe, but, yes, Bush said all of these idiotic things in one interview. A *short* interview.
1. UnKle Karl, in the library with the Monkey wrench
2. May 15
3. Evil Incarnate
Sharkbabe, Mommybrain, editor, egregious, thanks so much for the kind words re: smoking. I had to be in the hospital for a few days and that’s how I quit. No pangs there, but man are there quitting pangs here at home.
I need “mother’s little helper”….;-)
Oh PS, that comment was for 2 threads ago, lol.
P.S. This was just scratching the surface.
Notice I didn’t even touch on the fish story. Or the whole speech/rant/spin on ‘optimism’, which was truly moronic.
I swear, if Bush had any sense of irony, he’d be funnier than Colbert.
The only real difference between the two is that Bush is even more idiotic than Colbert’s parody.
So is Bush really this big a twit, or is it just a flawless imitation?
Charges: Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy
When: May 11, 2006
Who: Rove, Addington, Hadley, Fleischer.
Cheney: unindicted co-conspirator
1. Date – May 22
2. Official(s) indicted – Karl Rove
3. Charges – obstruction of justice – 1 count, perjury- 4 counts, conspiracy – 1, being a complete douchebag – 47 counts
Rove will be the only official indicted in this round, on June 16, 2006, 2 counts perjury to the grand jury, 4 counts false statements, 4 counts obstruction of justice, 1 count aiding and abetting obstruction of justice. There will be officials A and B, these will be Hadley and Cheney, but not necessarily respectively.
1. May 12th
2. Geo. W. Bush
3. Unindicted co-conspirator
all the rest are rock-and-roll…
Date- May 12th
Official- Karl Rove
(Others will be indicted later)
1 count obstruction of justice
2 counts perjury
2 counts lying to FBI officials
Ammendment to my 17 (it came to me in a dream): If there is such a thing as “conspiracy to obstruct justice”, that’s what it’ll be. For the coverup, not the underlying crime. Fitz still avoids greymail.
Karl Rove? – Honorary degree granted and promotion to head of NATO
Stephen Hadley? – Honorary degree and promotion to the UN…oh wait.
I meant Lyman ‘ Northwoods’ Lemnitzter and Kurt Waldeim not those two crooks. They are toast.
Also I hear Chimpeachy may be at some legal risk for violations of the Mann act but I wouldn’t get too far out ahead on this…
I guess the big question of the day is will Hayden deliver GWB Iran? Was Porter Goss fired for non-delivery?
a man can dream, can’t he?
I’m taking rove for 5, delivered not today but next tuesday
I’m taking cheney for 2, 2 obstruction, 2 lying, delivered the same time.
op99 (69) — nah, refraining from specifying Hadley’s date/charges is not from lack of courage or conviction. There’s another investigation underway, Hadley and Bob Novak-ula at the heart of it, in re: the disclosure of NOC status (quel surprise!). I think Hadley could be put on the back burner by Fitz to allow the other investigation to ripen, but a big component of this guesstimate on my part is the Grand Jury. Will they play ball and go with Fitz’ tendency to only indict on the hard-and-fast convictable charges? I hope so, because I want them to serve time, even if it means I have to wait another 6 months or a year for Hadley…and bigger fish.
And what Dirk said at (242). GSD takes it.
*ilson (268) — agh, yes, what I wouldn’t give to hear those word roll off the tongue of Patrick Fitzgerald in a presser this month in reference to a couple of SAO’s.
unindicted co-conspirator
Makes me weak in the knees even thinking about it. Delicious!
it’ll be fun when Rove is indicted and he quits and assembles his expensive legal defense team. The legal interests of Libby and Rove are divergent — the two teams will be clashing but Fitz will be in the catbird seat exploiting the conflicts. It’s pretty certain that Cheney is the real target of Fitzy and Bush will be an unindicted co-conspirator eventually!
1. Weds May 17th.
2. Rove.
3. 5 counts false statements
3 counts perjury
1 Count obstruction
new thread – new debts
1) 5/12/06
2) Rove
3) Obstruction of Justice and Pejury
If Friday were only the 13th !
!ztiF
Good luck to all the indictment timeline guessers.
Now, forward your good selves to the new thread, or stick around here in the EPU’d Zone where the pace is a little slower.
Well, actually, a lot slower.
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1)May 10
2)Rover
3)Obstruction of justice 1 count, Perjury 1 count, False statements- 1 count
4)Finally surrenders his security badge!
The two dates that get the most guesses are May 12 and May 17. I don’t think Fitz is going to let this go on Friday and get buried. I think it will be in the middle of the week.
1. Date
May 17, 3 pm EST
2. Official(s) indicted
Rove, Addington, Hadley
3. Charges
Perjury, obstruction, false statements
Cheney is Official A in the new indictments
May 18th 2006
Karl Rove
Perjury (5), false statements (3), obstruction (3).
What the hell, I’m not a lawyer.
Thursday, May 18th
Rove: 1 count perjury, 1 count obstruction of justice
Indicted – Rove
Charges – Revealing Govt secrets or conspiracy
(not just purgery or obstruction but possibly that also)
Date – 05/15/06
Good morning firelake puppies.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but WHO exactly is pushing the “decision coming soon” idea?
Oh yeah, Gold Bars Luskin. So, I ask myself “why is Team Rove psuhing for a quick decison?”
Time is on Pat’s side. Every day that passed and he was able to get more info declassifed and turned over to Team Irving, was one step closer he was to preventing a greymail obstruction of his cases.
There will be at least on more indcitment, but probably two. And if there is a conspiracy charge, he’s already got all the documents he needed declassifed and ready to go.
Rove is trying to push him b/c Rove thinks he can force the indictment before Fitz has bulletproofed his case.
I think it way too late for that and Scooter better wake up and smell the coffee.
Or is that it Irving? Is your good buddy Karl trying to force his own indictment , so that your deal will be off the table and you will no longer have the option of flipping?
Scooter, you don’t want the train to leave the station and you all alone left behind on the plaform, now do you?
I’m sure you think of yourself as an honorable stand up guy, but do you think Karl is? He’s not giving you a chance to try to save yourself, he helping to tighten the noose around your neck.
Wouldn’t it be better to do business with a real honest to gosh, upright man? Talk to Pat. He is fair, he is reasonable, and he will keep his word.
It would be a shame if Karl completely obliterated the value of your cooperation.
May 15 or May 17
Rove: perjury, obstruction, false statements, conspiracy
Libby: additional charge of conspiracy
Addington: obstruction, false statements
Jane,
This is a must read for you. Trapper John over at TNH points to Kant’s diary that quotes you extensively then goes on to provide a compelling argument on why Timmeh & Tweety sold out.
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May 19. 3pm. Rove – 1 count perjury, 1 count obstruction. Libby 1 count obstruction.
May 12th–lying to a grand jury.
1. May 19th
2. Rove and Hadley
3. Rove: oBStruction, Perjury
Hadley: Obstruction
1. Friday, May 12
2. 2 counts of perjury
3. 2 counts of o.o.j.
4. Rove and one big surprise (not Hadley)
1. Date: May 19, 2006
2. Official(s) indicted: Rove, Hadley
3. Charges: Rove: perjury, obstruction, conspiracy; Hadley: conspiracy
I also predict Fitz will wear a grey suit to the press conference, and Elizabeth Bumiller will proclaim that everyone in the White House is very relieved the other shoe finally dropped.
May 17th
Rove 5+ counts of false statments,perjury,obstruction of justice
Andrew Card-obstruction of justice
Alberto G-obstruction of justice
Steve Hadley-obstruction of justice
David Addington-obstruction of justice
1. May 12, 2006
2. Karl Rove
3. 2 counts perjury, 2 counts making false statements, 2 counts obstruction
1. May 17, 2006
2. Stephen Hadley
3. 1 count obstruction
May 12th
Karl Christian Rove
Perjury
Lying to Federal Investigators
Obstruction of Justice
May 12th
Karl Christian Rove
Perjury – 4 counts
Lying to Federal Investigators – 2 counts
Obstruction of Justice – 2 counts
This is Fun !! I’ll take the longshot. ROVE May 12th 11:43am, PDT. 3 counts perjury, 3 counts obstruction, 5 counts making false statements.
1. May 19th
2. Superseding indictment for Libby, Rove
3. Rove- 2 counts perjury for: (1)lying to the GJ about only talking to Novak and no other journalist and (2)lying to the GJ about not discussing “Joe Wilson’s wife” with Cooper, 1 count false statements to FBI for lying about only talking with Novak, 2 counts obstruction of justice for: (1)failing to produce the emails in a timely manner and (2) ordering subordinates to falsify phone records, and 1 count conspiracy to obstruct wrt coordinating testimony with Libby.
Libby- same charges as before plus conspiracy to obstruct for coordinating testimony with Rove
Bonus: unindicted co-conspirators: Hadley, Addington, Cheney and Bush
Summary: 6 counts for Rove: 2 perjury, 1 false statements, 2 obstruction, 1 conspiracy to obstruct
1 new count for Libby, conspiracy to obstruct
1. Thursday, May 18, 2006
2. Karl Rove (and Official A will be Dickless Cheney)
3. Lying to investigators
Perjury
Obstruction of Justice
looseheadprop (#286)
“Rove is trying to push him b/c Rove thinks he can force the indictment before Fitz has bulletproofed his case.”
no one, not rove, not libby nor luskin, has any power whatsoever to push fitzgerald to do anything. the only person with that power is the judge, and we’ve no indication that the judge is pressuring fitz in this manner. fitz has until the expiration of the term of the current grand jury to file charges or drop the investigation, whenever that is.
I like what Lindy #267 has.
Date: May 15.
Rove: 1 count obstruction, 2 counts false statements, 3 counts perjury, 1 count evidence tampering.
Hadley: 1 count false statements.
In his presser, Fitz will mention a Vice President “A.”
looseheadprop:
I’m with you. I’d love it to be May 12, because that’s my sister’s 70th birthday, and she could use something to cheer her up, but I think Fitz will dangle all those guys over the boiling oil until he can down all the ducks with one shot into the pot. He’s nearing the end, but it’s a slow finish. Drama is everything, here, and the Fitz is a real artist.
evilparalleluniverse:
Does participation in a thread at the mid-morning mark of the next day after an all night session at FDL qualify for some special nickname? That seems to be my fate: to come in late to the party with some irrelevant remark.
Pete Seeger performed “Guantanamera” quite often.
Does that date me?
This Friday, May 12 Karl Rove 1 obstruction, x# perjury, and conspiracy. 12pm DC time.
Next Friday, May 19. Hadley, Card and Gonzales. Conspiracy. And conspiracy to obstruct. Cheney treason.
Investigation continues over summer. Things get all ‘Whigged’ out!
Who:
Karl Rove:
Date:
Friday, June 2
Charges;
2 counts Obstruction of justice
4 counts perjury
3 false statements
Co-conspirators: Hadley, Miller, Card, Gonzolez, Addington
1 count Obstruction @
2 counts perjury@
unindicted:
Cheney
Bush
trials to continue
“Yo soy un hombre sincero, de donde crece la palma (repeat 2X)
Y antes de morirme quiero echar mis versos de alma
Chorus: Guantanamera, guajira, Guantanamera (2X)
Mi verso es de un verde claro y de un carmin encendido (2X)
Mi verso es un ciervo herido que busca en el monte amparo
Chorus
Con los pobres de la tierra quiero yo mi suerte echar (2X)
El arroyo de la sierra me complace mas que el mar.
Chorus
(Poem was written by Cuban poet, José Martà and adapted by Julian Orban. Music written by José Fernandez Dias and was adapted by Julian Orban and Pete Seeger – 1963.)
Translation:
“I am a truthful man from the land where the palms grow.
Before I die I want to share these poems of my soul.
My poems are clear green, they are flaming crimson,
My poems are a wounded fawn searching through the hills.
With the poor people of the earth I want to cast my lot.
The coolness of the mountains pleases me more than the sea.”
It’s on Pete Seeger’s album “We Shall Overcome” and others: Joan Baez’s “Gracias a la Vida,” and The Weavers’ “Travelling On.”
i know it it’s late and there are probably a gajillion new threads, and somebody probably already has the same prediction, what the heck…
Friday 19 May
Karl Rove
3 counts perjury
2 count obstruction
plus 50 counts terrorizing the nation for 5 years by delicately waddling around with the head of an old, wet, gray larval baby poking out of his collar…
May 16
Andy Card, Karl Rove
Conspiracy, obstruction, perjury
Rove did it, in the library, with a candlestick.
margaret and looseheadprop -
Agreed – Fitz will not let anyone alter the pace of his investigation. If we have to wait, so be it. I just want the best results.
Friday 19th
Rove, Card, Hadley, Cheney, Libby
Conspiracy+minor charges
margaret,
If you’ll allow me to answer for evilparalleluniverse who’s learned to mostly avoid her eponymous Zone, I’ve been hanging out in Late Nite FDL EPU’d Zone (some special nickname) for sometime now.
See Archives for the first couple of weeks.
I’ve noticed that you seem to post deep into the thread, often in the EPU’d Zone. I think I’ve even responded to you a couple of times. It’s nice to have you stop by.
Today’s Late Nite FDL main comment thread called for predictions. You can be confident that our hosts will read every post tallying peoples’ Fitz predicitons.
I’ll be here on and off all day, JFYI.
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I know this won’t be the winning entry, but it is what I would like to see.
Date – Yesterday
Bush – Treason and War Crimes and impersonation of a President
Cheney – Treason and War Crimes and impersonation of a Human Being
Rumsfeld – Treason and War Crimes
Rove – Treason and War Crimes (should be quarantined for having Mad Pig Disease)
Condi – Treason and War Crimes, Prostitution and
impersonation of a Woman
Judith Miller and Bob Novak – Prostitution and impersonation of Journalists
May 19th
Rove, Libby
R: 3 perjury, 1 obstruction, 2 false statement, 1 conspiracy to obstruct
L: add conspiracy to obstruct
Add 1 cup water, mix well, bake at 375 degrees for an hour or until hadley cops a plea
When: May 11th (or 18th, can’t decide)
Who: Rove, Hadley
What:
Rove – 2 counts Perjury, 2 Counts False Statements, 1 count Obstruction, 1 count Leaking Classified information, 1 Medal of Honor.
Hadley – 1 Count False Statement.
VP = Official A
Conspiracy to come later.
theExile,
One thing I’d add to your fine list would be 2 year, minimum wage, compulsory national service for all those in the mediagovernmental complex who supported the war on Iraq, including their children and grandchildren until that generation when the debt we’ve incurred will be paid.
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May 15th (press conference next business day after indictments)
Only Rove (unfortunately)
(Mulitple counts) Perjury, False Statements,
(Single count) Obstruction of Justice
May 15, three counts (two perjury, one obstruction), Rove only
#308 libertycap,
Thanks for the lyrics to La Guantanamera. My family was part of the wave that were stationed in Guantanamo Bay in the late 60’s and that song was indeed very popular there, just to see the words brings the melody and feelings back.
Rove: 2 counts obstruction, 1 count perjury on 5/12/06 at 11:30 AM. press conference at 2:15 same say.
Bonus charges against Libby and Rove: Leaking classified info.
(Dear President Fitzgerald, sir, I will send you $10.00 cash if you do this for me. I’ll let you watch the video first, too.
Your friend,
vachon)
Agh!!! What oxide and lindy said!! I completely forgot about the bloody emails.
Add one count of evidence tampering to my bet.
Wonder what emptywheel will bet?
JIO: Thanks for recommending that GE Timmeh diary to us…..great find and a great read!
In fact, I just got home from Wal-Mart (my 2nd time ever) to purchase an electric teapot to use up my office. They only had a GE model and I put it down because I read a little about this story yesterday.
Jack Welch-you sir, are un-American and I would love to run into you one day. And Timmeh, enjoy your salary, you gluttonous fat bastid.
1. Date – (stampled) Fri, 5/12
2. Official(s) indicted – Rover
3. Charges – 2 counts false statements, 2 counts perjury, 1 count obstruction, 1 count conspiracy (obstruction)
Co-conspirator – Libby (others?)
Named as Officials A, B and C: Cheney, Addington and Hadley (maybe more)
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Noticed “evidence tampering” above. Hmmm…interesting!
A great telling chart for GE from 1965 to today, complete with splits.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?…..q=l&c=
Karl Rove in the Oval Office with a Wrench!!!!!
Oooo, don’t you just love a contest about Rove’s demise:
1. May 21, 2006.
2. Karl Rove (”Official A”)
3. 3 counts: a) perjury, b) obstruction of justice, and c) false statements to the FBI (I am saying that all 3 will be charged) – going for the trifecta).
ccmask,
Read through to the source links provided in the diary. There’s a lot more to the series than just the Punkin’head, Tweety, & Welch show.
Pynchon prophesied in GR with his riff on the “elite” and the “preterite” and who gets to go to heaven and who don’t. Jack Welch does a good job of articulating the viewpoint and the appropriation of talent techniques of the elite. I now have a better understanding of why and how our system of checks and balances has been compromised.
The corporate model (virus) has penetrated the cell walls of the government and is reprogramming the nucleus. We are no longer citizenry to be governed, we are preterite “C-types” to be managed. By force, if necessary. I wrote this yesterday:
The prospects for the progressive populist agenda that opposes the “mediagovernmental complex†as articulated here by Pach are dim, I’m afraid. Global destabilization to the point of crises suggests that military / force options will preempt reasoned rational solutions in the face of crisis induced chaos.
Appeals to rational discourse and reasonable actions will have as great a consequence as fingernails on dungeon walls. The chaos precipitated by “management” will be dealt with by means martial.
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Friday, May 26th, 2:00 PM. Obstruction of Justice, Making False Statements to an Investigator, and Perjury.
Just guessing…
June 16
Rove: Perjury, 2 counts, False statements, 2 counts, Obstruction 2 counts, Conspiracy to obstruct justice 1 count
Libby: Conspiracy to obstruct justice, 1 count
Andy Card: Conspiracy to obstuct justice, 1 count
Hadley: Conspiracy to obstruct justice, 1 count
Bobby Novak: Conspiracy to obstruct justice
Someone we don’t know: Evidence tampering
(Hell, why not go for broke–I do think Fitz will wait until he can write a very big indictment this time around, to make it harder for Bush to start issuing pardons. In other words, Fitz needs to show this as a systematic crime involving Bush, or it’ll all be for naught anyway.)
Date: May 19th
Official: Karl Rove
Counts: 2 counts False Statement, 1 count Perjury, 1 count Obstruction of Justice.
I think Fitz is holding off indictments for the original crime, in case any of these pukes are pardoned for throwing sand in his eyes. Fitz will indict for the original offense when Bush is no longer in office.
In my fondest dreams Fitz fingers an Official A and Official B who could only be Cheney and Bush.
I think this investigation has another 3 or 4 year run. Fitzgerald is going to nail Bush to the wall by 2010.
May 19th, which so happens to be the feast day for St. Ivo of Kermartin — patron saint of lawyers and no friend of the king.
Bob Woodward, Tim Russert and Judy Miller—obstruction charges – maybe conspiracy if Aspens truly all change colors together.
Irving Libby picks up perjury, false statements, obstruction and conspiracy charges now that the sand is out of Fitz’s eyes.
Karl Rove is indicted on all charges – see “Cheney charges†below for complete list – add perjury and false statements.
Andy Card and Scott McClellan faced with obstruction to keep them honest but have plea deals in place on all other possible charges.
Richard Cheney is charged with conspiracy, theft, expedition against friendly nation, genocide, fraud, obstruction of criminal investigations, subornation of perjury and treason.
Note: War crimes are chargeable but the prosecutor warned us early one that he could only do so much. The rest was up to the American people.
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Here are the basic violations by chapter and (some) verse.
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 19, § 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States (self explanatory)
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 19, § 372. Conspiracy to impede or injure officer – pretty technical but it works – definition follows
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 31, § 666. Theft or bribery concerning programs receiving Federal funds — technical but it fits once you look at the identity of the VP’s former (sic) employer.
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 37, § 798. Disclosure of classified information – duh
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 45, § 960. Expedition against friendly nation
Whoever, within the United States, knowingly begins or sets on foot or provides or prepares a means for or furnishes the money for, or takes part in, any military or naval expedition or enterprise to be carried on from thence against the territory or dominion of any foreign prince or state, or of any colony, district, or people with whom the United States is at peace, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 50A, § 1091. Genocide
(a) Basic Offense.— Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war (within the United States) and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such—
(1) kills members of that group;
(2) causes serious bodily injury to members of that group;
(3) causes the permanent impairment of the mental faculties of members of the group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
(4) subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part; …
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 63, § 1341. Frauds and swindles
Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money… or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises…for the purpose of executing such scheme … or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 73, § 1510. Obstruction of criminal investigations
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 79, § 1621. Perjury
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 79, § 1622. Subornation of perjury
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 79 § 1623. False declarations before grand jury or court
TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 115, § 2381. Treason.
George Bush
January 21, 2009
Conspiracy to use a forgery to start a war.
OK! Hands down, Shazam has the best researched and most deliciously inclusive (of all the heinous high crimes and misdemeanors) prediction of the day.
EW, toeing the plausible reality line, just may be a winner. A ringer, sure, you betcha. But a possible winner nonetheless. :-)
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May16
Karl Rove:
Perjury, 4 counts,
False statements, 4 counts, Obstruction 2 counts,
Conspiracy to obstruct justice 1 count
Stephen Hadley:
Conspiracy to obstruct justice, 1 count
Announcement: After the market closes on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 (Friday is right before Mother’s Day otherwise I would think then).
Karl Rove (“Official Aâ€) Obstruction of Justice; False Statements; and Perjury.
Why I think it is only Karl Rove at this point: Going back to Patrick Fitzgerald’s baseball analogy, if Libby and Rove threw sand in the air by lying to investigators and under oath about what steps they took to “assassinate†Joseph Wilson, what “play(s)†where they trying to protect by obstructing the “umpire’s†view?
Play No. 1 – Stealing Second Base: Libby and Rove knowingly disclosed classified information about Valerie Plame.
Play No. 2 – The play at the plate!: WHIG+W agreeing that the legal political assassination of Wilson be carried out through illegal means (conspiracy). “As a legal term, conspiracy has historically been defined, in America, as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.†Further, “In United States v. Shabani (1994) the US Supreme Court ruled: “…U.S. Congress intended to adopt the common law definition of conspiracy, which does not make the doing of any act other than the act of conspiring a condition of liability…” This ruling indicates that conspiracy, without any further action, can be criminal.â€
WHIG =
ANDY CARD: White House Chief of Staff
KARL ROVE: Senior Advisor to the President, Director of Political Affairs
KAREN HUGHES: Former Consultant to the President
MARY MATALIN: Senior Advisor to the Vice-President
JAMES WILKINSON: Deputy Director of Communications
NICHOLAS CALIO: Assistant to the President and Legislative Liaison
CONDOLEEZA RICE: National Security Advisor
STEPHEN HADLEY: Deputy National Security Advisor
L. LEWIS “SCOOTER†LIBBY: Chief of Staff to The Vice-President
WHIG “Determined to Fight”. When the disclosure of Wilson’s CIA mission to Niger put the White House on the defensive, one administration official said it reminded a tight-knit group of Bush neoconservatives of their longtime battles with the agency and underlined their determination to fight. Many of those officials also were members of the White House Iraq Group, established to coordinate and promote administration policy. It included the most influential players who would represent two elements of the current scandal: a hardball approach to political critics and long-standing disdain for CIA views on intelligence matters. [Los Angeles Times, 8/25/05]
It seems that Mr. Fitzgerald is trying to determine whether the decision to “assassinate†Wilson was made by Libby and Rove alone, separately, or whether it was part of a group decision, and who was involved in making that decision, if there was one. He has already disclosed that at least two meetings occurred where this subject was discussed among some/all of WHIG (June 12, 2003, in the Vice President’s office and July 12, 2003, on the Vice President’s plane). President Bush has acknowledged another meeting that he participated in with some/all of WHIG where this subject was discussed (thus WHIG+W). It is interesting that President Bush volunteered that he “de-classified†certain information, but it is still to be seen whether he did in fact de-classify that information before it was disclosed.
For me Libby and Rove are “mob†hit men that tried to hide the crime they committed by throwing sand in the air to blind the FBI, Mr. Fitzgerald, and the Grand Jury. They are also trying to obscure another level of crime: did WHIG+W commit a crime by agreeing to bring down Joseph Wilson by “outing†his wife through the knowing disclosure of classified information.
Patrick Fitzgerald is prosecuting Libby, and I believe Rove, for throwing sand. Mr. Fitzgerald has said that he cannot see yet what actually happened, whether crimes were committed. He can only see the sand and knows who threw it.
WHIG+W
I will get my prize when I see that perp walk!
these posts, ideas, prophecies, have marvelously cheered me and given me hope.
especially the most drastic and exhaustively inclusive. such as ‘w’ and ‘deadeye’ being named.
I can’t stand tie games…I made my prediction before I read any of the comments…I’m not half way thru and at least 2 others have predicted the same thing I did…I’d like to refine my answer (by the grace of Jane) to include this tie breaker: Bush and/or Cheney identified as Official A and/or B.
My “official” bet: 5/19, KR, 2 FS counts, a P count, and an OOJ count — WITH Bush and/or Cheney fingered in the indictment as Official A and/or B.
There.
geoff,
I like the way you’re trying to look behind the scenes to suss out the real goings on.
If this Plame thing FDLers are so obsessed about was really sexy, like say the Michael Jackson trial for child molestation, then maybe there’d be someone willing to stage a mock re-enactment in the form of a C&L type video link continuously up-dated as if it were a blog. Remember the live re-enactments of the Jackson trial?
It would be cool (and very powerful) to have a video blog (with actors, scenery, scripts and everything) to re-enact the Plame story with continuous up-dates as more is learned with each passing day and Grand Jury appearance.
A blog soap opera of The Plame Affair, if you will, on a video loop and updated daily as new facts are learned.
I like it!
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J i O – Until I read this I had no idea that our patron saint here in the EPU’d zone was a she. not that it matters………….
1. May 19, 2006
2. Karl Rove
3. Obstruction of Justice (2), Making False Statements (3), Perjury (3)
rusty,
Artist too, as is yours truly, I understand.
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(294) I also predict Fitz will wear a grey suit to the press conference, and Elizabeth Bumiller will proclaim that everyone in the White House is very relieved the other shoe finally dropped.
(303) In his presser, Fitz will mention a Vice President “A.â€
Hee. Good one.
I predict that the Sunday after the presser Brit Hume will “leak” that Fitz has two unpaid parking tickets from 1998. Bill Kristol will quote an anonymous source who “saw” Fitz smoking weed in 1976. Kay Bailey Hutchison will accuse Fitz of fondling choirboys. Denny Hastert will lambaste Fitz for not recycling his recyclables.
Fitz, watch your drink at all times. Ambien.
I think Fitz is going to get him on the big one, revealing the name of a covert CIA Operative.
And Intrepid Traveller takes the game to a whole different level!
Indictment of “him” (guess that leaves out WHIG Mary, Karen, and Condolezza at least) for a violation of the “Thou Shall Not Out a Covert CIA Agent” law.
IT, if your prediction turns out to be correct, then you’ll trump all the others, IMO. So far, you’re the only one to suggest that the original charge to be investigated by the Special Counsel will lead to indictment.
Daring, to be sure.
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Wednesday, May 17
Karl Rove: false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice.
His co-conspirators will not be indicted, because they either have either received immunity or have agreed to plead to Informations with lesser charges and sentence concessions for cooperating.
Sorry for the double “either”, a typo.
May 17 Karl Rove: False statements, 3 counts
Perjury 8 counts Obstruction of justice 2 counts.
EPU’s a she? Well, I’ll be darned….
JiO:
How many artists do you suppose are reading these posts?
I’m one, which explains the time to do this sort of thing. It’s hard to make art when things are so rotten in government and the world. Idealism and hope run thin whenever we are at war and there is so much unpunished corruption around. Just praying for some justice before the elections. I might mosey back to the studio if that happened.
Date = May 19
Karl Rove
Perjury, obstruction of justice
May 15
Rove Indictment – Perjury 4 counts
Obstruction of Justice, 1 count
(Please, please)(Actually I would be surprised at the obstruction of justice count, but a girl can dream.)
-Rove
-Perjury, making false statements (I’m less sure about obstruction of justice, but hell, let’s go with it)
-May 26th
We’ll see about Hadley and the rest… Besides Rove and the Bushie gang, I’m looking forward to finally getting the details of Robert Novak’s testimony. I suspect he comes out looking even worse than before when all is known…
J i O– #335– Yep, Shazam @ 333 has certainly thought it out! Oh, I wish those delightful predictions come true…every last one of them. I have to go back and do some more thinking now.
I kinda like the karma of # 333, too.
19 May 2006
Karl Rove
perjury, obstruction, conspiracy to commit a felony (outing La Belle Plame)
Date: 5/30/2006
Official: Karl Rove
Charge: Perjury
Shazam;
I like the way you think! I had to look up Ivo and I found this:
Saint Ivo was a Breton and a lawyer,
But not dishonest -An astonishing thing in people’s eyes.
I hope the saints and all the forces of good are with Fitz and he astonishes us all; soon!
Friday, May 19, 2006, 9:00 AM PDT
Karl Rove
Perjury, Obstruction of Justice
margaret,
You ask: How many artists do you suppose are reading these posts?
Boy, good question. I don’t know. I do know, however, we all feel about equally empowered, eh?
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OUTSIDE THE WALL
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really know you,
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand,
Some gather together in bands,
The bleeding hearts and artists,
Make their stand.
And when they’ve given you their all,
Some stagger and fall.
After all it’s not easy,
Banging your heart against some mad bugger’s wall.
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1.06/06/06
2. Rove
3. Sexual abuse of a rat aka ratfucking
PROTEST SONG CONSTRUCTED FROM THREAD FRAGMENTS
(A.K.A MEMO TO J i O)
deep into the thread
this won’t be the winning entry
Conspiracy to come later
Thanks for the lyrics
A great telling chart
complete with splits.
who gets to go to heaven
who don’t
We are no longer citizenry
I wrote this yesterday
The chaos precipitated
will be dealt with
Conspiracy to obstruct
Conspiracy to obstruct
Conspiracy to obstruct
why not go for broke
In my fondest dreams
he could only do so much
Expedition against friendly nation
forgery to start a war
I will get my prize
(repeat three more times)
down with the neoclowns!
i think ccmask @ 8:18 is onto something> i’ll bet that the charges for ol’ turdblossom will be a bit stiffer (considering how long he’s been under investigation & how he probably said somethings (when Asscrack was doin the investigatin’…) that he regretted later on):
DATE:: However long it takes him to squeal on that lying-pile-of-sh*t-Cheney::Friday, May 26th, 2006
WHO:: Churl Rove; Cheney
CHARGES:: false statements, obstruction, perjury, treason; seriously implicated
moderate if you think that the truth value would be improved, otherwise feel free to blast it off to infinity . . .
well, after much reflection, I simply do not know. I keep waiting, but, I’m going out on a limb. Rove indicted March 11th on perjury, conspiracy and mebbe obstruction of justice. Others are still outstanding…
I must dream on about Shazam’s # 333 and wrap my brain around it… will sleep excitedly til then.
mwhahahaha!
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