
There are a hundred other things I need to be doing right now, but I can’t help myself. Most Plame watchers think something is on the horizon for good or ill, and I can’t stop cruising around the Plame-osphere, combing through the comment sections, making diagrams and charts and link lists. It’s a beautiful day, the dogs and I went running on the beach, and all I could think of was — "gotta get back to the madness."
Most of the speculation today concerns VandeHei’s new WaPo piece, which most assume to be Luskin hedging (if not inoculating) against something upcoming that he knows which the rest of us don’t. (I’d like to give our boy VandeHei a bit of credit, though…perhaps it’s wishful thinking…something along the lines of "Gold Bars, they’re killing me when I write shit like this…I don’t want to get the Isikoff treatment again…I hate it when they call me ‘pool boy’…I can’t print that.")
But many have been digging into the article and subjecting it to some careful scrutiny. This stuff may be for the fans of obscure details, but I found the notions quite compelling:
1) The VandeHei piece reasserts a point Emptywheel has been on for a long time, namely that Libby and Rove indicate they spent the week following Joe Wilson’s NYT oped on July 6, 2003 helping George Tenet to craft his July 11 sword fall, accepting responsibility for the 16 words in the SOTU. Says VandeHei:
Luskin said Rove was chiefly concerned that week with "assuring that there was a statement from the director of central intelligence that directly addressed the substance of the criticism of Wilson and others."
But as Emptywheel notes, the CIA claims that the only White House involvement came from Hadley, and started on July 10. David Shuster reported last Friday that in the hearing that day, Fitzgerald claimed there were documents from Rove to other administration officials which mentioned "Wilson’s wife" (the Hadley email, as far as is known, made no mention of her.) The fact that Luskin is underscoring this supports Emptywheel’s contention that Rove is using the Tenet excuse in order to provide cover for the existence of these emails outside a plot to smear Wilson. It does not bode well for the "I forgot" defense.
2) Then Jeff makes this point regarding a possible concerted effort at cover-up:
[T]he other issue with regard to the Rove-Libby encounter is what Rove testified to about that meeting. There has been some vague reporting on this, but since Fitzgerald is convinced that Libby lied about his Russert conversation, if Rove testified that Libby told him that he had heard about Plame from reporters, and specifically from Russert, that would constitute pretty slam-dunk evidence for Fitzgerald of a concerted cover-up and obstruction effort. Check this out from Waas’ most recent:
Rove also testified to the grand jury that he had heard from Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. But Rove testified that Libby told him that he only heard the information as rumors being passed on to him by journalists.
It’s unclear if this refers to the July 10 or 11 conversation. If it does, and it’s accurate, that’s trouble for Rove, barring the possibility that Libby lied to Rove at the time. If it refers to an earlier or later conversation, that would be worth knowing, and still likely a problem for Rove.
3) And as Tom Maguire notes, there are three big holes in the Rove "foggy memory" story that the VandeHei narrative doesn’t really address. Says Maguire:
(a) the phone logs that might have recorded the Rove-Cooper contact were not complete, ostensibly because Cooper was transferred from the main switchboard;
(b) the Rove-Hadley email was mis-archived; and
(c) Libby originally testified that he leaked to Cooper; when Cooper finally told his story about Libby in August 2004, he surprised Fitzgerald with his version, which was that he told Libby about Ms. Plame. That prompted Fitzgerald to look for Cooper’s original source, which turned out to be Rove. Isikoff covered this recently, but, ahh, yours truly suggested this scenario last February.
If you add Emptywheel’s theory of using the Tenet speech for a shield with Jeff’s notion that Rove may also have used the "Russert told Libby" line (that Fitzgerald knows to be false), and combine them with Tom Maguire’s point (c) about Libby and Rove possibly orchestrating misleading testimony, I think at the very least you’re left with…one pissed off Prosecutor tired of being played for a fool.
And if you were thinking that I’m writing this out so I’ll have all my notes in order just in case anything happens — you’re right.
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Fitz!
Okay….I got that out of the way.
Shuster says the tea keaves pint to Rove being indicted sometime in the next 4 weeks!
We…….wish you a merry Fitzmas!
Yes! I saw it too on Olberman!
Yeah Olberman! Yeah Fitz! Yeah Christy!
Oh Jane too! FDL is the bomb!
Now I have to figure out how to create a media effort that ties this crap to the rest of Republicans…before the shoe drops!! Nice work putting all the little tidbits in a row, Jane, what perseverance! Makes me feel like I’ve got A.D.D. in contrast.
I was watching VandeHei on Tweety today and it struck me that he looks like Gilligan.
it seems like years…FITZ
ahhh
OT, but I just read this at the tail-end of a CNN article on Foggo’s impending departure, re: the lack of background check on Shirlington Limo CEO:
“While DHS does background checks on drivers, it does not have the resources to investigate company officials, spokesman Larry Orluskie said.”
WTF?!!?
Holy Smikes! I Need A Fag…I mean cigarette!What a scandalous and erotic D.C. day! You can’t write fiction that is more sleazy and steamy than what transpired today. My blog is now rated NC-17.
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
I think Shuster said two weeks, which is better than four weeks. :)
Twelvo de Mayo is my pick.
We need some Fitzo de Mayo songs. Somehow Fitzmas seems out of season. Since we are approaching Flag Day, & July 4 perhaps some lyrics to patriotic songs may be in order. Also some cocktail recipes. I think I smell a party coming our way.
I hope there will be a blow-out bash at YKos should this come down prior to . . .
I’ve often wondered what Rove was trying to get into the Tenet statement. Cooper had this in his notes
The notes, and my subsequent e-mails, go on to indicate that Rove told me material was going to be declassified in the coming days that would cast doubt on Wilson’s mission and his findings.
TIME 7/03 from Talkleft archives
The article TIME hosts for free doesn’t have this quote. The full article is subscription only.
yeah, yeah, I know I warn’t really minty-fitz first – but close enough after being away all day
Are Rove and Libby involved in the “Prisoner Dilemma game?”
It just seems to me that all signs point toward a combo plate of perjury, conspiracy and obstruction, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Fitzgerald has enough to indict on the actual outing of Plame.
What may be interesting to watch is what happens between these two legal teams when (it has to be “when,” right?) the Rove indictments are handed up. That’s when I think the proverbial worm is going to turn, and we are going to see some nasty stuff play out in the media, unless Walton issues a gag order, which might be the best thing to do, considering.
Rove going down should be enough to take Bush’s numbers down another couple of points; there is no one with enough brain cells for a quorum who will believe Bush and Cheney didn’t know what was going on.
just coz the 5th of May has passed is no reason we can’t continue using the “Fitzo de Mayo” nomenclature all month long. It’ll also be an anti-nativist gesture too!
Que viva Fitzgeraldo!
Will we ever know just what Andy C. managed to purge in those 12 hours between Abu giving him notice and the word “officially” going out to “save” all relevant correspondence?
Would love to know what went down that memory hole.
“Patrick J. Fitzgerald” at 9, why would you think that appropriating the name of such an impressive and honorable man while he’s still active in public life is a decent thing to do? Disregard if it’s your real name.
Shuster did say two weeks. He also said that it’s been 13 days since Rove testified before the GJ, and Fitz will not tell Rove he’s cleared, which is a strong indication that Rove will be indicted!
This post fills my soul with joy. emptywheel is awesome, indispensable and far too unsung. For my money, she, Jane and Christy are the Holy Trinity of Fitzhood.
Jane, my friend, take a breath, back away from the keyboard, take the dogs back to the beach and watch the sunset. Take some time for yourself. Thanks for all the good stuff.
How about “Quince de Mayo”? (May 15.)
We need some Fitzo de Mayo songs. Somehow Fitzmas seems out of season.
Well, it’s nearly Fitzuntide.
Who else will be going down when Fitzgerald hands out the papers?
Judy Miller will be going down…but what’s new?
Jane chérie,
Remember a few weeks ago (after the Ryan verdict) you said you had some Fitz gossip to tell us (I think passed on to you from the FBI guy in Chicago) but you said you’d wait to tell us til you got back to Oregon,
did you ever write about it and I missed it?
And BTW, we say “marde” over here.
Joe Scarborough flogging the horrible Bush and Repub congress polls as his top story. Blistering.
Good one, *ilson.
MSNBC’s Shuster is a schiester. He just figured out the “Official A” theory? Rocket scientist, I say. Why does anyone listen to this Johnny come lately with such baited breath?
Raw Story has a quick Shuster transcript up, for those interested:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0508.html
EPU’d re executive/Homeland Insecurity ability to dissolve/ignore Congress under some phony emergency.
Oh, and Dpt.Hom.Sec. goes higher up in presidential succession. [/tin]
Stephen Parrish: If I’m not mistaken, the new procedure you mentioned might be a contingency plan for truly catastrophic events – but I don’t think that it has become law. This was mentioned on one of the threads some weeks ago. Let’s give this more thought – now it’s time to move on to the new thread.[/parrish]
john in sacramento says: egregious, Those were/are executive orders authorizing FEMA to set up a federal government in the event of an emergency. Might be legislation too. [/john-sac]
Folks who follow legislation—help us out here.
Judy Miller will be going down…but what’s new?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
worth repeating
Joe Scarborough flogging the horrible Bush and Repub congress polls as his top story. Blistering.
op99: man, i never watch scarborough, but was too lazy to change. i’m definitely hanging in for this segment, though. he’s utterly beside himself that “1 in 3 republicans want their party to lose control of congress”. and as arrogant as lawrence odonnell is, his analysis is always very good.
#30 – David Shuster has been reporting the “Official A” bit for weeks – he just keeps repeating it to make sure everybody has a chance to hear it – not all people are Plame-a-holics like we are.
#30 the point of Schuster is he’s one of the few TV journalists reporting objectively on this story, even if it’s not news to FDL junkies. And what’s your answer to #19 again?
ccmask – Rove and Fitz (and others) are definitely involved in an extremely complex “prisoner’s dilemma” scenario. This area of philosophy/economics is known as “game theory” and it can be immensely interesting. I highly recommend (and have been recommending on FDL for months now) a book called “The Strategy of Conflict” by Thomas Schelling, who just recently won a Nobel Prize for his efforts.
Jane and Christy, I’m thinking of you two in particular. I think you are already inclined to look at the Plamegate fact pattern with a game theory perspective, but I think that this book might add even more to your analysis. Pick up a copy – I implore you – I guarantee you will love it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..p;n=283155
Jane, thanks for the fix. I’m glad I have you & Christy to keep track of all the ins & outs. But I will say that waiting for Fitzmas is (at times) more than my poor heart can stand.
I’ve seen some predictions that Rove will be indicted for “conspiracy” in addition to other charges. But, common sense says that this isn’t going to happen (conspiracy) until other conspirators are part of the indictment. Seems to me that an indictment for perjury soon does not preclude a later indictment for conspiracy. Anyone?
bkny 34, I know what you mean, that’s the only way any of us listen to him, I think. Other than he never had to explain the dead woman in his office, to me Scarborough is one of the more palatable repubs to listen to. Relatively speaking, he has a modicum of objectivity and some manners. Ditto Pat Buchanan (not so much on the manners).
I never did understand why they thought they could get away with letting Tenet take the blame for the SOTU speech. If the man took the Niger reference out of a lesser speech three months earlier, is it believable that he put it back in the SOTU? It just seemed so blatantly false.
They’re not even GOOD liars, and they got reelected.
My gawd I hope you are all right. I just hate to get my hopes up and then not have an indictment. But I have a dreadful sinking feeling that he may have been able to talk his way out of this. I am praying I’m wrong and you are right.
Watch out for a Fitz siting in DC on Wed.
If he is there, it is a good sign.
He will get a sealed indictment on Wed.
He will stay in Dc on thurs to prepare for a press conf.
Fitz will see the judge on Fri (he didn’t have to, but his nun-upbringing, you know) and tell him about the GJ indictments; will announce the 3PM press conf after meeting the judge with only a few hours of notice to press;
will announce the indictments at the presser.
Stock up on your champagne, if you are into that sort of things. Otherwise, get your single malt, bourbon, and/or martinis.
Rayne at 5, ADD/ADHD is all about perseverance. We are either easily distracted what is that shiny thing? Or else we are dogging something to the very end. The world needs a certain number of us even tho it is painful to be one of them.
OT – I posted this link last night on Jane’s (wonderful!) thread about the media, but I thought I’d repeat some of it just in case (yeah, right) there’s anyone left who’s not totally clear on Timmeh’s and Tweety’s and Andrea Mitchell’s true allegiance. It’s the sweet story of how Jack Welch, head of General Electric, had a little conversation with Karl Rove in 2000, during W’s first run. Karl promised Welch that a Bush victory would be the greatest thing that ever happened to GE and Welch hopped on board, making sure all of his enterprises (NBC, MSNBC, CNBC) existed solely to get George W. Bush into the White House. And the rest, as they say, is history…
“Welch was proud to have personally cultivated Tim Russert from a “lefty†to a responsible representative of GE interests. Welch sincerely believed that all liberals were phonies. He took great pleasure in “buying their leftist soulsâ€, watching in satisfaction as former Democrats like Russert and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews eagerly discarded the baggage of their former progressive beliefs in exchange for cold hard GE cash. Russert was now an especially obedient and model employee in whom the company could take pride.”
(snip)
“He quietly began to dramatically change the way that things were done at NBC News. A link was established between the producers of the Sunday morning program Meet The Press and the opposition research team of the Republican Party. Delighted G.O.P. operatives were soon boasting that Tim Russert would go on the air just minutes after receiving their allegations of wrongdoing by Al Gore, and would repeat their charges verbatim. Russert was not functioning as a journalist; he had crossed the Rubicon and was acting as a mouthpiece for General Electric’s favorite political party.
Welch greatly appreciated Russert, whose multi-million dollar contract he personally negotiated. The message circulated throughout NBC News that Russert was an excellent role model for reporters who wanted to succeed in the organization. Reporters at NBC News did not have to be verbally instructed on how to get ahead; they clearly saw that the Russert approach was handsomely rewarded by top management.”
http://makethemaccountable.com/coverup/Part_04.htm
Scarborough: CIA leak montage with all kinds of juicy clips…Fitz and with Libby resigning etc!
They are counting down to Rove indictment in a way…now of course they are saying they anticipated this all along how funny.
The montage was cool with the date of the clip in upper left hand corner!
OT; You FDL’rs got me interested in the Roots Project and kos, so I just posted my first diary over at An Afternoon with the Grownups In the Nuclear Age. Plus I got free brownies!!
peace,
jim
I received a bottle of champagne as a gift on election night in 2004.
It is still sitting in my refrigerator waiting for the right moment.
If Karl gets indicted, that moment will have arrived…
Scarborough was a republican (florida state rep, IIRC) who had a dead young female staffer found in his office. She was beaten on head with a blunt object. The suspicious murder was not solved. Oddly, Sacarborough did not run for office again, instead he got his own winger talk show. I don’t know what Scarborough is up to, eating his own, but I don’t trust him. (That’s ok Sackaborough, keep eating your own, fine with me.)
Valley Girl says:
May 8th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
You’re right. What would preclude a superseding indictment? Someone else needs to answer your question about conspiracy charges. Here is one possibile answer: one of the conspirators is indicted on conspiracy charges, and the rest are unnamed (for the time being) and/or unindicted coconspirators.
egregious,
click the Rex 84 link at the end of the last thread … might be what it is
So Rove was focused on (1) the Tenet statement and hinting at the soon to be declassified selected portions of the santized version of the NIE? Okay, but to what end and how does that help Rove?
The Tenet statement was apparently designed to discredit the worst of two Joe Wilson allegations. One allegation was whether there was evidence of yellowcake purchase from Niger. Answer. No. Tenet will fall on his sword for those 16 words. But the more important Wilson charge was that the President deliberately misled the country on that and other WMD intelligence. Tenet’s sword swallowing was designed to say, “No it was we at the CIA who made this error, not the President/Cheney. I take responsibility, so the President and Cheney didn’t lie.” Getting Tenet to absorb the otherwise impeachable offense was Rove’s job that week.
But there was more. Rove also needed to discredit Wilson for making this second charge (since they were already conceding the 1st claim). To do that, the plan was to discredit Wilson via the nepotism charge against his wife, get that leaked to the press, and have it printed. So talking about Wilson’s wife was very much on Rove’s agenda that week — that’s what Vande-’s article suggests, and any conversations Rove had with reporters would have had that talk about Mrs. Wilson plan as it’s focus. And that’s why, if I undertand what Jane and others are saying, this cover story not only doesn’t help Rove, it points the finger right at him.
Moreover, as I mentioned earlier today, I think the Vande- article supplies almost enough to charge for the underlying crime, and conspiracy, not just perjury/lying. If Fitz has the few missing pieces from other sources, such as someone telling Libby/Rove that Plame is secret, so be careful, and such sources are hinted at in the article, we could see Rove and possibly others hit with the big ones. And if the word “conspiracy” is one of them, everyone in the country will be asking, “who else?”
Great but long article from NY magazine via truthout.org about how the debate over abortion has evolved into an anti-contraception position for the relious right.
This is informative article and an issue that is close to my heart and Christy and Jane’s as well.
I believe that we women are in a new civil rights struggle that includes fighting for the right to abortion, contraception, equal wages and the right to sue for harrassment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..ref=slogin
I just got bumped! I think Hayden is going down quicker than the Dubai deal & the Meirs deal…..
sharkbabe, your 118 on previous thread – that was hilarious, thanks.
Jane, thanks — and I hope you need those notes soon! I can’t bear thinking about Rove not getting indicted for anything. Though that seems pretty unlikely at this point, I’m not going to rest easy until the indictments are announced. And of course, a nice package deal with some other indictees would be just lovely.
Rayne, from previous thread – yes, I know exactly who made that speech, as I’m sure many of us do. The fact that it’s still a barn-burner tells us how badly we still need change.
xyz-#37- I’m due for a new book…thanks!
Hackworth 49, Scarborough was in the US House of Representatives. He’s from the Pensacola area.
scarecrow – great post again. I believe you were the one who pointed out the other day that it would have been standard journalistic practice for Bob Novak to call back Rove AFTER being warned by the CIA about Plame before going to press with the story.
If Bob Novak got the story from Rove, then went back to Rove and said “hey, the CIA doesn’t want me to publish this” and Rove still said to go for it? Well if that is the case – Rove is in for a world of pain.
ccmask – you’re welcome; enjoy!
Everhopeful, that GE story is a good one. I am glad you linked to it again. It certainly explains Pumkinhead and Tweety and all the rest. Good read, but it seemed to border on tin foil helmetism a bit. It is surely believable and makes perfect sense, don’t get me wrong. Is it verifiable?
hackworth #49: It seems to me that the Scar/dead intern thing happened around the same time as the Chandra Levy/Gary Condit thing happened too. Notice the difference in the press coverage: Gary Condit = democrat, Scarborough = republican. I always thought that was interesting – now I know it’s just typical…
everhopeful: there’s also this:
Reuters July 23, 2005
With Bush’s help, GE courts Indian PM, nuke sector
In-Depth Coverage By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Just over an hour after the White House’s surprise pledge to help India develop its civilian nuclear power sector, the head of General Electric, the American company that could benefit most from the policy change, sat down for a celebratory dinner.
The host was President George W. Bush; a few feet away was India’s prime minister, Manmohan Singh, and his top aides. GE Chief Executive Jeff Immelt, a contributor to Bush’s presidential campaigns, had a coveted seat at the president’s table.
Bush’s announcement on nuclear trade with India — followed by a formal dinner in the State dining room — was not just a victory for Singh. For GE, the only U.S.-owned company still in the nuclear business, it marked a possible turning point in a years-long push to re-enter the Indian nuclear power market, which it was forced to leave in 1974 when India conducted its first nuclear test.
“In the short term, it’s really business as usual. … But if things unfold the way it looks they may, then clearly it is a significant opportunity for us,” said Peter Wells, general manager of marketing for GE Energy’s nuclear business.
While the policy change may benefit GE and other companies in the long term, critics contend Bush’s move closer to accepting the world’s largest democracy as a nuclear weapons state could weaken decades-old prohibitions against atomic arms.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..a-nuke.htm
“I hate it when they call me ‘pool boy’…I can’t print that”
bwahahaha
Jane: Third paragraph, first sentence: “both many”?
Here’s a primer on the dead girl in Scarborough’s office, if anybody still gives a crap.
http://www.americanpolitics.co…..sutis.html
If and when Rove gets indicted, the talking heads will say Rove worked for democrats and republicans.
Jane, thanks for that beautiful “weeds” photo! I just made it my desktop background.
Sen. Feingold was on fire today at the National Press Club luncheon. CSpan has it at
Sen. Russ at NPC
ccmask says: “I just got bumped!”
May 8th, 2006 at 6:35 pm
How? Please explain. Is it a premonition?
hackworth #60 – sorry to say, I don’t know if it’s verifiable – it just rang true to me – 100% – and I thought it might for others…
hackworth 66 –
funny because its true.
(if not
innoculatinginoculating)http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inoculate
Hadley has his fingerprints *all* over every unAmerican BushCo project. Like the torture thing, via New Yorker magazine.
O/T: Lieberman has this fancy new ‘mercial airing on 5:00ish news hour. It shows Holy Joe in what looks like a diner, being a regular kinda guy (diners are his thing), talking about how he always works for people in CT, even though they don’t agree. Arghh! I will watch when I am not pounding the tv sotospeak and take better notes. If moveon.org was worth its salt it would give us some ‘mercials for Ned, like it did for Murphy. It’s not like people from CT haven’t written to them asking for help.
Thanks for the Feingold C-Span link! I will definitely watch that tonight.
bkny #62 – wow, thanks for posting that – Bush just rewarding his loyal supporters, huh?
Makes the Timmeh story ring 120% true.
Let’s not forget the 4th (or is it the zeroth?) big hole in Luskin’s “foggy memory” defense — the fact that Karl Rove has been described his whole life as having a photographic memory.
[Karl’s] sister remembers that the family used to rely on Rove’s photographic memory for evening entertainment.
1,046 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
I have been sayin’ since this time last year that there is absolutely no way the fascists can keep controll of EITHER house of congress. The 2000 election was stolen because the corporate media and mercenary pollsters kept the numbers close enough to doctor in key places. The fascist party line to the stenographers is that because of redictricting and local issues and a general “pox on both your houses” sentiment, power will not change in either house…that it will be close but the Dems won’t get enough.
The “free media” of the blogosphere hasta organize independant polling, on-going from July, and exit polling in key states ( like Ohio) in order cast enough light SO that results can’t be manipulated.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YOU HAVE NUTHIN’ TA FEAR, GOD DOESN’T LIKE THEIVES AND MURDERERS!!
for the fans of obscure details- 2 typos fixed JH would thank you BTW
So, WSJ’s John Fund smugly predicts on Hardball no Rove indictment and the entire Plamegate affair blows over to become viewed as an inconsequential flap.
LMAO. Fund, we’ll see, bro’.
Scarecrow 56, don’t get me startred, lol. Tenet didn’t fall on shit, never mind his sword. From the wayback machine, here’s the passive voiced, weasly worded, steaming pile of offal making it SEEM like someone was taking responsibility. http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..001615.php
Pool Boy was kinda pathetic on Tweety. He tried to feed the Luskin spin “Why would Karl have leaked it to Cooper, instead of other reporters that he trusted more”. Tweety, to his credit, knocked that down. “Cause his fingerprints would of been all over it if he leaked to it Fox.” Poor Pool Boy looked so forlorn. I guess it never occurred to him that it made more sense to spin to Cooper, the new guy from a respected source who craved access.
Poor, poor, Pool Boy. He wants so hard to believe in the WH and Luskin. That Tweety was able to so quickly dispatch of his spoon-fed talking point, must of been a blow.
Anne #16:It just seems to me that all signs point toward a combo plate of perjury, conspiracy and obstruction, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Fitzgerald has enough to indict on the actual outing of Plame.
I really hope so, otherwise Richard Cohen and Kevin Drum will be upset that they didn’t get Rove for a real crime.
Rove indictment = margaritaville hereabouts
xyz #58 — I not sure we even need for Rove to have told Novak, “go ahead.” Saying nothing would be enough. Or not calling back, even.
I’m just speculating that between the normal practice of a reporter calling his source back about an imminent story, and the high probability that the CIA person to whom Novak talked, and who tried to talk Novak out of printing Plame’s name would have called the WH immediately upon finding out about Novak’s intention. So it seems very likely that the likely next day publication of Plame’s name and status was known to Rove and probably others in the WH the night before the article was published. This is after they’re warned about her status. Even it they said nothing to Novak, given what they alreay knew about here status from the CIA and the memo on board AF1, why isn’t that enough? These guys had an affirmative obligation to protect her status, and did nothing when they heard it’s about to be published? Looks like pretty strong circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy to go along with blabbing about Wilson’s wife with various reporters. There seems enough from published sources, never mind what else Fitz knows, to nail these people.
OT – link to very interesting article on lawyers working to provide represetnation for GITMO detainees and the Gov response.
http://www.fulbright.com/image…..anamo1.pdf
For the focus of this story, Adem v. Bush, the story cuts off in January 2006, but Judge Roberts ruled the end of April that the lawyers will get to go see their client.
No, Stephen, I meant I got kicked offline..lol
–
On Scarborough, the Tasini huy….Who is Johnathan Tisini, Dem, running against Hillary?
CASH ON HAND:(–From OpenSecrets.com)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) * $19.7 Million
John Spencer (R) $337,000.
Jonathan Tasini (D) $16,163.00
Kathleen Troia McFarland $424,293
William A. Brenner (R) $1,044.00
Steven Greenfield (D) $2,003.00
Mark Stewart Greenstein (D) 0
Thomas Thomassian (3) 0
Thomas Frank Weiss (D) 0
op99: wow. never heard of that story before today. How erie! Really makes you wonder particularly because of the facination of Fox with dead/missing blonde girls. Let me guess…she was homely?
“They’re not even GOOD liars, and they got reelected.”
IMO they (Rove) are beyond expert at spin, manipulation, and “putting stink” on so many things. IMO the selection of Hayden is just the latest example. They want to take the corporate media’s attention off Rove’s indictment, Iraq, Bush’s cratering JAR, and rising fuel prices. They know the left will attack Hayden’s nomination on 4th Amendment issues and NSA spying which is the current issue that hurts the WH the least with their base.
We now know that Bush’s Oval office statement, “if someone in my administration is leaking classified information, I’d like to know it, was crafted even back then as a firewall to fall back on in case Fitzgerald made all the progress he has made. I think Jane is correct about Bush’s statement, in many ways it, “classified information,” is a red herring. But it’s not so much of a red herring to the rouhgly 25% that constitute the red meat, GOP base. It’s that kind of planting escape routes, years in advance, that makes Rove imo so dangerous, talented.
G.E. has a long history of turning liberals. Ronald Reagan was a slowly sinking liberal (and anti-communist) movie star who got a gig hosting GE Theater on TV. He also toured the country talking up capitalism and the glories of G.E. (he spoke at the school gym at my high school in Shelbyville). Slowly his politics evolved and synchronized with G.E.
The rest, as they say, is history…
There is a sucking sound coming from Rove’s I-forgot-my-conversation-with-Cooper defense. It’s caused by the spectacular presence of a black hole in his reasoning. His lawyer, Robert Luskin, must have told him before he testified at the grand jury in February, 2004, about Viveca Novak’s remark denying that Rove did not have a “Cooper problem.” I find it impossible to believe that Rove forgot such an important conversation, but on the off-chance that he did, I cannot imagine that Luskin’s report did not refresh Rove’s recollection. Rove was in the middle of a White House effort to discredit Wilson while he also assisted CIA Director, George Tenet, to prepare the CIA mea culpa for not removing the now infamous sixteen words from Bush’s SOTU address. He emailed Hadley right after the conversation with what appears to be a mission-accomplished message that avoided any reference to Valerie Plame. Why it’s almost as if he composed the message with his future in mind, if the message surfaced at some point.
I doubt that Rove ever forgot his conversation with Cooper, you know, the one he ended by saying that “I’ve probably said too much.” Well, yeah. He knew that he’d provided Cooper with verification of sufficient information to cause Cooper to publish an article in TIME that would out Valerie Plame and he did the same for Robert Novak. Although he may have, to use his words, passed along some Wilson-Plame gossip to other reporters, he didn’t share it with more than a few of them. Since he knew that Cooper and Novak were writing stories that soon would be published using him as an unnamed source, I can readily imagine that he had good reason to spend more than a few sleepless nights worrying about his potential exposure to criminal prosecution.
What would an innocent person do, if their lawyer reminded them about an important conversation they had with a government witness, a conversation that they had denied having when interviewed by the FBI? You don’t need me to tell you the answer (but I’m going to anyway).
You would ask your lawyer what the hell do I do now? Your lawyer would tell you that the two of you needed to search for any record of the conversation and contact Fitzgerald ASAP with an “Oops, sorry for the mistake my dear old chap, but I now remember talking to Matt Cooper, etc.”
Rove didn’t do that. He waited until Cooper’s legal arguments to avoid naming his sources were shot down, the Supreme Court declined review, and Cooper decided to tell the grand jury about his conversation with Rove. Then and only then did he permit Luskin to call Fitzgerald with the news about his not-so-sudden recollection.
I challenge anyone, including Luskin, to spin Rove’s seven-to-ten-month delay in contacting Fitzgerald in a manner consistent with Rove’s supposed innocence. Wait a minute. I’ll qualify my challenge by insisting that the explanation must pass the straight-face test, be consistent with other evidence in the case, and appear to be reasonable. No can do, right?
Robert Luskin certainly isn’t the best criminal-defense lawyer in this country, and I cannot imagine that he can extricate Rove from his self-made predicament. He only does what old men do well. He leaks.
Ah, yes. You gotta love karma and pigeons — especially when they come home to roost.
I always thought it was kinda weird (different) that Tweety’s been all over the Plame leak/Libby indictment thing since pretty early on – I mean, given his pro-Bush leanings and all…
Aside from the ratings, which must have been through the roof, I think it must have something to do with the fact that Libby had called and ripped his good buddy Tim Russert a new one about something that Tweety had said or covered on his show.
So, whereas Tweety hearts dumbya, always and completely, he’s never seemed too keen on Cheney or Libby or anybody in the OVP. Guess Tweety’s a grudge-holding kinda guy, huh?
OT rant – “History will view George Bush as a great president.†You’ve probably been hearing that a lot and will, no doubt, be hearing it more and more as Bush’s approval rating continues to plummet. That is all that the
33%, 31%28% of Americans, the Rovezombies, that think Chimpy is doing a good job have left, a notion of “well, it’ll all work out in the end.†They can only hope that the history books are rewritten to distort the facts, as happens so often. Hell, it happens in the first history books, the morning papers. There is nothing that the current administration is doing that is going well, and very little that isn’t being done out of pure greed or under the guise of religion. The die-hards even compare him to Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Rational people know this is not the case. 72% of Americans are seeing that now, Americans in the future will too.Chimpy said this shit:
WTF is that???
So you’ll know when you are dead?
Jackass!!
OK, I’ll shut up now. Hope I’m not EPU’d
“. . . emptywheel is awesome, indispensable and far too unsung. For my money, she, Jane and Christy are the Holy Trinity of Fitzhood.”—amen
scarecrow says:
May 8th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Yes, they “had an affirmative obligation to protect her status”, according to 50 USC 421. Let’s stop for a minute and look at 50 USC 422 for possible defenses:
If Team Fitz has an airtight case and a way to circumvent a greymail defense, it will be interesting to see what happens as this week progresses.
MsAnnaNOLA 87, normal to cute, IIRC.
via atrios, probably already mentioned – Schuster says Rove is sure to be indicted:
…We’ve looked through the records of Patrick Fitzgerald from when he was prosecuting cases in New York and from when he’s been US attorney in Chicago. And in every single investigation, whenever Fitzgerald has identified somebody as Official A, that person eventually gets indicted themselves, in every single investigation…
david gergen responding to Anderson cooper’s question about nancy Pelosi firing up the republican base by her promise of investigations if democrats take congress, gergen referred to ‘people aren’t going to want 2 years of investigations by ron dellums’ – he most certainly meant john conyers, who has been spearheading the impeachment drive. Stupid honky – lol.
I’ve nothing to add. Just wanted to touch a Fitz thread.
op99(#19): it’s not his real name. you can take that to the bank. this guy(?) is a total wiener clueless sleazebag git. and a troll into the bargain. don’t ever address him. you just become an enabler. and i know you better than that.
91 — and don’t forget he’s also part of the story. He got that “fair game” call from Rove.
Feingold on c-span 1 –right now
Well, I’m a “people” and I want investigations for 2 years or 10 years or however long it takes to get every single one of them investigated, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated.
Gergen’s a “beltway” – we’re “the people” – never the twain shall meet…
pseudonimous (#24):
my suggestion is to get punaise or one of our other word magicians to pen something to the tune of “guantanamero”. it’s a great drinking song and even us geezers of a certain age can dance to it.
Fahrender, yeah, you’re right. Please don’t hate me.
RevDeb (#12)- I suggest (for Rove indictment celebration ditties) that someone write words to that tune from Bye Bye Birdie: “We’ve Got a Lot of Living To Do,” but change “Living” to Lying”.
That melody popped into my head the other day while reading about Rove, Libby, Abrahmoff et al.
Gergen is wrong.
PS — Best case scenario upon Dem 06 victory: the beginning of the end of the oil age.
Walter Shapiro has a good story in Salon about the money political consultants make http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..=salon.rss
hackworth (#49) maybe she saw him at the watergate….
great read Jane!
Hackworth #66 “If and when Rove gets indicted, the talking heads will say Rove worked for both democrats and republicans”
Bet lil’ Debbie is preparing that article as we speak.
I think the fact that Russ Feingold is so positive is going to help him extremely well-he isn’t a doomsday politician like the rest of them–it seems like he believes that Americas’s best days are before us. I really really like him.
MsAnnaNOLA 87, but the point of the whole thing is exactly what Everhopeful points out in 61:
“hackworth #49: It seems to me that the Scar/dead intern thing happened around the same time as the Chandra Levy/Gary Condit thing happened too. Notice the difference in the press coverage: Gary Condit = democrat, Scarborough = republican. I always thought that was interesting – now I know it’s just typical… “
So it ain’t no wonder ya never heard of it. I try to couple the reference with every mention of Scarborough’s name, kinda like “Cheney, who shot an old man in the face…”
Isn’t Luskin a Democrat? See, both parties are equally corrupt! :)
Negroponte: But he added that there were no immediate plans for Gen Hayden to retire from the military – meaning military officers would be in charge of all the main intelligence services.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/…..69,00.html
Mauimom:
Oh, Life’s a ball
if only you know it
And it’s all just waiting for you
You’re alive,
So come on and show it
We got a lot of lyin’
Such a lot of lyin’
Got a lot of lyin’ to do!
It seems to me that deciding to make a case under the IIPA would be a very tough call, even with the facts lined up (and they do seem to pretty much line up if any of the undercurrents are correct).
While there is not a requirement to “prove†motive, the IIPA charge opens up that box far more than the perjury/obstruction claims do and conspiracy may fall somewhere in the middle. Getting into the motive issue for outing Plame could get you into very classified info that just might not be allowed to come out into the public arena (if some of the info re: Iran or other nuke info is correct) or it could get you into the equally murky area of the politics of the war – which you can see Walton does not want to touch with a ten foot pole.
If solic claims can be made under perjury or obstruction more easily, I don’t know that bypassing the underlying charges – even if there is very good evidence – might not be a wise decision? I don’t know – I just wonder. I can see where the motive issues could be like walking on broken glass. We might all love to see the motivations of political attacks played out in a courtroom, but I would lay money that’s not where any judge is going to be thrilled to see it go and the attorneys involved are all, in the end, a part of that political process as well (lipservice aside).
I would love to see info get dumped into the public arena from the cases that helps flesh out what was going on – but I have this gut feeling that most judges would feel that really should be the function of Congress (ok – quit laughing) – to have hearings on things like political motivations relating to the war. OTOH – a crime (or conspiracy to commit and cover up a crime) based on political motivation is not really any different than a crime based on any other motivation. ?? IMO, getting the info released that walked the NIE “declasse declassification†back to the White House was more than you could realistically have hoped for out of these cases (shocked me). Anything else – well, it will be interesting stuff.
WASHINGTON, May 8 — A former top aide to a Republican Congressman from Ohio pleaded guilty today to trying to bribe his old boss and other public officials with meals, entertainment and other gifts, and he agreed to cooperate in the widening investigation into the lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Neil G. Volz, formerly the chief of staff to Representative Bob Ney, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and fraud before Federal Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle. Under terms of the plea agreement, he faces up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..r=homepage
Al Gore talked a lot about investing in alternative energy. It scared the old people. They are afraid of change. They just wanted to keep on driving their Cadillacs – really Mercury Marquis and Ford Crown Vics. They didn’t want to hear any “crazy” ideas from Al Gore and his “alternative” energy. Keep on burnin’ that (cheap) fossil fuel. Those two oil men will make sure we get it cheap. Now we are all paying Big Time. Not just in dollars, but in damage to the environment.
IMHO, I believe this is what a lot of dumb shits were thinking. And the media – Russert Pumpkinhead, Tweety and all of them, helped to paint Gore as a nut and later Kerry as a flacid windsurfing penis.
Gergen: “Dellums, Conyers, they all look alike.”
What a tool. Christ, there are more tools in DC than in the whole Craftsman warehouse.
-GSD
Mary- can you answer my question above? Also, re: conspiracy, I would think that “conspiracy” does not need to involve IIPA. (I know that you were not suggesting this, btw, or at least that is my read)
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ment-95382
Lawyers in the house, help me out please. It’s my understatanding that while a witness can’t have his attorney present during his GJ testimony, the attorney can lurk outside and the witness can step outside to consult. Is that right? If so, do you think Rove ran in and out like he had the trots, or was he so arrogant that he figured he didn’t need no stinkin’ attorney?
Mary — why does “motive” enter at all? I recall early on reading a legal analysis of the elements of the crime, and they include things like “knowing” etc but not motive. If Rove knew Plame was covert, and revealed her status anyway, isn’t that enough? It might be politically interesting to know that the reason he did this was to discredit Wilson, or to intimidate leakers or independent CIA analysts, but none of that is needed to prove the crime, is it? OTOH, the defense might want to raise other issues, to construct the “greymail” defense, and a prosecutor would have to worry about that. But doesn’t the exposure of a secret agent always involve that risk, yet Congress made this a crime.
Rove still has his most potent weapon, which is the onslaught of time. Certainly Luskin will be aware of Fitz’s intention to announce indictments for Rove and/or Hadley, etc. Look for lots more furious promising, cajoling, begging, pleading and other shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rove agreed to “flip” in exchange for avoiding indictment, only so that he can continue to play beat the clock.
Rove knows where the bodies are buried, and I have a difficult time believing that any prosecutor would walk away from an offer to cooperate, even if he were to be suspicious of Rove’s intentions. Suffice it to say, any victory against Rove will be a partial victory, shrouded by controversy. I’m starting to dispair of the fact that we may have to wait for the civil trial to really score points, and then they’ll cut the legs out of that case by arguing that the world is different than when Paula Jones worked the cocktail circuit back in the day. 9/11 changed everything don’tcha know?
Condi Rice.
*’There is no way we are going to let a little Iranian outreach get in the way of our plans for war and massive amounts of death and human suffering in the Persian Gulf’.
http://apnews.myway.com/articl…..THJ01.html
-GSD
*Cynical and manufactured quote from yours truly.
Per Comment 97, People don’t want to wait for an investigation. They’d prefer that the crooks get away with the carnage and the looting. They got no patience for an investigation. The country can’t handle it. They got to move on – think positive thoughts. They can’t handle no impeachment either. After a long drawn out and costly war, the public hasn’t got the stomach for it.
This is the kind of crap the media pundits are spewing already. We’ve got to call bullsh*t on them this time – early and often.
GSD 123, ya got that right. Reminds me of when we couldn’t have direct talks with North Korea, because, ya know, that would have interfered with the 6 party talks. WTF? P.S. You were Granite State Destroyer before, n’est pas?
Mary:
It’s been my belief all along that Fitzgerald has to contend with an administration that wants nothing more than to shut down his investigation, so any charges that might touch on classified information are out of bounds, especially with a judge that seems to side with the government in such cases (as in the Sibel Edmonds suit).
Just think – this whole thing came about because of John Ashcroft. It’s all his fault!
Rove and Libby and chimpy and Cheney and the whole WHIG were just doing what they had always done – to “win” elections, to get revenge, and to get their way – lying, cheating, blackmailing, bribing, assassinating character, committing treason, you know, the typical republic stuff. And, of course, when the CIA called for the Justice Dept. to investigate the Plame leak, no problem – making up some dopey excuses to the FBI would get them by just as it always had…
And then John Ashcroft had to recuse himself and Patrick Fitzgerald took over – “about what you told the FBI last year…”
Oops!
OP,
Mais oui, shortened it down a bit.
-GSD
Now that David Blaine is out of the bubble, can Bush go back in?
-GSD
everhopeful 128, John Asskkkraft might be a stupid fuck, but he seems to have a well-developed sense of self-preservation.
everhopeful…Guess Tweety’s a grudge-holding kinda guy, huh?
I’ll bet he’s a lifelong member of the professional grudgeholders association…
GSD — only if he holds his breath for 8 minutes.
valley girl, 39:”I’ve seen some predictions that Rove will be indicted for “conspiracy†in addition to other charges. But, common sense says that this isn’t going to happen (conspiracy) until other conspirators are part of the indictment.”
If others have been co-operating with Fitz, they may slip under the indictment radar as unindicted co-conspirators. And, it they are not indicted, if I understand correctly, Fitz doesn’t even have to identify them. I could be wrong but that is my understanding.
GSD 129, Vive l’etat formidable de nouveau hamsher.
OJS- thanks for the reply. Makes sense.
op: yeah I read the comments up to 121. The fact that she was normal to cute and maybe white? really brings the point home that treatment was unequal of dem vs rethug missing/dead staffer/interns. Wow. Profound differnece. on to TDS.
Ashcroft refused to play ball with the bad boys. Why, now that I think about it, John’s hearfelt rendition of “The Eagle Soars” or was it “The Eagle’s Sores” as featured in Michael Moore’s Farenheit, was a truly sincere performance. Sure, he was a right wing, civil rights shredding, chauvinistic, dirty-sex fearing homophobe, but he was true to his eagle soaring principles.
hackworth 138, he was true to keeping his own ass outa jail, lol.
Mary #85 – Good to hear. It reminds me of something that I recently found out about one of my close co-workers: his father is Bill Goodman Legal Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights in NY. He was just telling me about his father’s current involvement with the Canadian citizen who was detained at JFK on a return trip home to Canada, and was rendered to Syria where he was tortured and imprisoned for nearly a year.
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/repor…..ontent=712
Fighting the Good Fight
New thread
ccmask#110: well-he isn’t a doomsday politician like the rest of them–it seems like he believes that Americas’s best days are before us. I really really like him.
I think that’s a really important point and one that al gore possesses too. And I think by the time 08 runs around, conditions will be as grave as when fdr was elected. The public will be desperate for someone who is able to intelligently able to articulate a way out of the black hole bush leaves. Gore or Feingold can appeal to the best of that ‘american can-doism’ and esp, by that point, people will understand the grave tragedy of what was done to gore and will be much more enthusiastically supportive of him.
Anyway, that’s my thinking at this point.
Oh how I hope John Amato puts up TDS segment with Samantha Bee on Porter Goss…. it’s a keeper.
what are Jane’s and ReddHead’s predictions re: Rover indictment….yea or nay?
Is Bush destroying the CIA because his daddys name is on the building?
Rev Deb: ditto helarious
*ilson46 at 89
“G.E. has a long history of turning liberals.”
Interesting. They seem to have started sponsoring THE DAILY SHOW.
As long as you’re keeping track of things pointing to an orchestrated cover-up, there’s still Fitz’s point about some e-mails being inexplicably absent from the white house backups.
Since the last time I brought this up I’ve dug around a bit more and am now convinced that 1) the quote was legit, 2) it hints strongly of conspiracy to obstruct justice, 3) with proof, 4) Fitz had 1, 2 & 3 doped out long before I did.
Cheers.
– MarkusQ
Re: Conspiracy charges. At this point, I think any conspiracy charges would be limited to Rove and Libby. Fitz will slowly work his way backward, and Rove is the next guy on the list. He won’t go after anyone else until he’s got them dead to rights for another crime. As for Rover, he won’t get hit with an IIPA violation just yet. If Fitz can nail his pudgy ass to the wall on lying/perjury/obstruction charges, he’ll just do that. He won’t risk a greymail defense if he doesn’t have to.
Re: Rove pretending to flip in order buy time. Fitz isn’t that stupid. When he’s got a gun to someone’s head, he doesn’t take it away until he’s gotten what he wants. Think back to JudyJudyJudy. She wasn’t cleared of contempt until after her second appearance. She tried to play Fitz, and looked where it got her.
Working backwards on this thread. Sorry if I’m repeating something above:
Frank Probst @ 149 -
I’m hoping for conspiracy against Rove with a plea from Libby (against the implicit pending) to get more.
mark @ 145 -
Expect daddy to check in on what is going on in the Company. He already unleashed Scowcroft with “Cheney, I don’t know him anymore.” Now the Company is wondering where he stands.
Generally – What I find interesting is that there are so many interpretations of the motives of the players. Working hypothesis… if you can not collate the motives of the players there is a good chance you do not know who all the players are.
Fitz lined up the last Rove appearance. They knew exactly what to ask and it shook Rove. There is only a Wed. reiteration and call for a vote. This week.
Didn’t Joe Scarborough have a dead woman in his office in Florida, Jeb Bush country, that was never properly investigated and the parents of this poor young woman would not get the major outlets of the corporatedly owned media to report on this?
I read on a website that linked to some smaller local papers that did cover this story and the Joe Scarborough in question had been in Congress but left after the scandal and became a top TV news personality. It may have been on the DoodAbides website.
Strange after reading that not to hear that suspicous death involving a republican who is influencial on TV news that no one mentions it when refering to him.
It is almost entirely forgotten now, but if you’re looking at motives and state of mind of White House political in mid-July 2003, you mustn’t overlook the “Gay and Canadian” case:
washingtonpost.com
Drudging Up Personal Details
By Lloyd Grove
Friday, July 18, 2003; Page C03
Some folks in the White House were apparently hopping mad when ABC News correspondent Jeffrey Kofman did a story on Tuesday’s “World News Tonight” about the plummeting morale of U.S. soldiers stationed in Iraq.
So angry, in fact, that the next day, a White House operative alerted cyber-gossip Matt Drudge to the fact that Kofman is not only openly gay, he’s Canadian.
Yesterday Drudge told us he was unaware of the ABC story until “someone from the White House communications shop tipped me to it” along with a profile of Kofman in the gay-oriented magazine the Advocate. On Wednesday, for 6 hours 38 minutes, the Drudge Report bannered Kofman’s widely quoted ABC story — in which enlisted people questioned the Army’s credibility and one irked soldier went on camera to call on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign — and linked to the Advocate piece with the understated headline “ABC NEWS REPORTER WHO FILED TROOP COMPLAINT STORY IS CANADIAN.”
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan “is having a rough first week,” Drudge said. “The White House press office is under new management and has become slightly more aggressive about contacting reporters. This story has certainly become talk radio fodder about the cultural wars-slash-liberal bias in the media.”
A network insider was less sanguine about the White House tactic: “Playing hardball is one thing. But appealing to homophobia and jingoism is simply ugly.”
Kofman said from Baghdad, where he is covering the 3rd Infantry Division: “This morning I had a meeting with one of the commanding officers and we talked about my report and the response back home. He said he’d read about it on the Drudge Report and had just one question. ‘Is it true that you’re Canadian?’ I just smiled and said, ‘My life is an open book.’ “
ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider told us: “Sadly, when people feel wounded by a truthful report, they attempt to attack the messenger.” A White House spokesman, meanwhile, disavowed the incident: “This is the first we’ve heard of it, and it would be totally inappropriate if true.”
archive link
The young woman that died mysteriously in Joe Scarborough’s Florida Congresional office (I think it happened on a weekend) had been working for him as an aide or secretary.
The selection of George W Bush changed everything.
[not 9/11–effect, not cause]
my head hurts.
How is it possible that Bush is still getting away with promoting lies about Iran. How is he even still in office?
http://www.benfrank.net/blog/
Conyers, Boxer back attack on Iran
I sure am disappointed that Conyers and Boxer both folded, acting just like reliable ‘lil Vichi-Dems enablers. Anyone who voted for this resolution deserves to be canned.
When did Conyers and Boxer become neocons?
This is just like Iraq wars one and two. Nothing new. Please, folks, understand that while the neocons are the frontmen….it’s ALWAYS bipartisan when the killing starts. ——
Its all orchestrated to keep us confused and the public in slumber..I know its getting old BUT the sinister agenda remains on their schedule..adapting to the changing currents..
ALL DC POLS have sold the US middle class into slavery..as the US goes so goes the remaining so called free nations
House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Actâ€
28th April 2006
http://www.NotOneIncumbent.com/
If you want to do Fitzo de Mayo, try Hijo de Geraldo (fitz = son).
yes, vandehei is a competent reporter, but this piece offers some perspective
Just wanna say that I`d be happy to wander off “Into the Weeds” with y`all any time
I`m willing to wait as long as necessary for the truth to come out
“The bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices.” – James Carter
Does anyone ever read comments after the original post has passed into the grey seas of another evil parallel universe?
If so, Jane, this was a sublimely wonderful post. You have a way of taking the arcane details of this case and turning them into comprehensible and compelling drama.
….coming home after one hell of a long work day, one powers up the PC, clicks on the important bookmarked site FDL and begins reading this blog. YES! There is a god!!
Jane, Christy et al: Your continued work and presentation on the Plame case has been so important. There is no where else a mere, plain, average citizen can turn to get the facts, the analysis, and yes…even the gossip… on probably one of the most pivotal cases in history. I stand in awe of your abilities. But most of all, I am so completely grateful for your perserverence.
This is probably EPU’d, but ….like I said, it’s been a long work day and this is where I end up.
Grateful, in admiration, and vowing to take back my America from the whores to deceit like Rove, Bush and their ilk. Somehow, I do not think I am alone.
jcricket.
Too bad the ‘Ides of May’ probably wont work. The ‘Ides of May’ falls on a Saturday (May 13th). It could be so sweet; ‘Et tu, Fitzy?’
And can we hear a little more about Fitzmas please? A few more festive pictures for the new posts. Because this is the second Fitzmas in one year, and there may well be a third and fourth. And after five years of these cretins we deserve every possible opportunity to celebrate.
Fitz speaks of a ‘ concerted effort’ and so far we have Libby dragging Cheney into it ( through prisoners dilemma probably ) Rove is connected to Libby in some way that should soon come out and so as interesting as the behaviour of all the Woodward’s, Miller’s, Novacks V and D for dracula are and as interesting as the Card games and Alibi Gonzales shennanigens are I feel the spotlight should turn hard on Cheney.
I would ask Cheney to release his copy of his statement to Fitz and also ask him to request that Roberts expedite phase 2. Just cos Libby wants phase 2 expedited too doesn’t mean Cheney shouldn’t ask for it in the strongest possible manner.
Roberts looks more and more guilty of obstruction daily as does the Chimperor too btw.
He oughta do some right smart decideratin’ real soon…if he knows wyatt’s good for him I mean.
‘ What did the deciderer know and when did he fuggedaoutit?’
May 19th, before noon
2 counts lying to a grand jury
2 counts of obstruction
2 counts of lying to the FBI
1 count of bad hair
yesterday i heard a few of the MSM talking heads declare that Fitzgerald’s investigation is almost over and he is wrapping up…
is this true? is the investigation almost over or is the investigation into ROVE almost over?
will Rove be the last of the Bush admin to face Fitzgerald or, like a judicial energizer bunny will he keep going and going and going…all the way into cheney’s undisclosed location??
I hope it’s on my b’day, May 19th. That would be one of the most bestest presents ever!
OT – Bush Travels to Florida to Help GOP Hopefuls — At this point, don’t think he would be hurting them? I will laugh my ass off if their poll numbers go down. Oh, but i guess Florida is different– being Jebediah’s little nation-state and all.
left out a word — At this point, don’t YOU think…
sorry
Mark’s comment #145 about Bush wrecking the CIA because of his father’s name on the building makes a lot of sense. Maybe he should put his Higher Father’s name there and call it a day..the man is genuinely insane.
speaking of falling on swords, that is what Rove and Libby did – since the day he stepped into office, re-election for King George was his first and foremost priority, no matter what the cost. Only re-election could eliminate his father’s legacy as a “loser”. So while Tenet fell on his sword because of the yellowcake nonsense, the false statements made by Libby and Rove to Fitzgerald kept their involvement sufficiently hidden from the public until after the election. It worked – Plame was never really a campaign issue. Their loyalty to their leader was commendable. Now, however, it’s time for them to get skewered.