
UPDATE: This is intriguing — TPM Muckraker finds a connection between Gen. Hayden and MZM. That should make for some fun questioning during confirmation hearings. And don’t miss this from Laura Rozen.
What does it say about the President of the United States that John Negroponte had to push Porter Goss under the hooker express bus discuss the possibility of resignation with Goss, because the President was too much of a weenie to do it himself — and now he’s selected the DCI candidate choice of Negroponte and Cheney, announcing this morning that Gen. Hayden is, indeed, the nominee to head up the CIA (as we reported yesterday).
I just don’t know what to make of news coverage that says outright that other people are doing the behind-the-scenes heavy lifting for the CEO Prez. What does it say when even Timmeh Russert said outright over the weekend that Negroponte would be making the hiring call on this, and the President would simply be the person designated to stand up and make the de facto announcement?
President as prop, and Russert reports it. Who woulda thunk it? And, if true, how pathetic is that?
The LA Times is reporting that, should Hayden be confirmed, personnel changes at the CIA are likely. Well, not exactly rocket science on that one, considering the reputation for piss poor behavior the Goss political martinets acquired at the Agency, now is it? I’d say the Gosslings are already circulating their resumes to the headhunters and neocons think tanks and wingnut welfare societies in town, and that the speculation on the number two position being shuffled is spot on, considering it’s currently held by another military man — and two military types would most definitely be one too many at the helm of the CIA.
Over the weekend, the NYDailyNews reported that, indeed, the Goss resignation was tied to the Duke Cunningham/MZM hookers and poker scandal:
CIA Director Porter Goss abruptly resigned yesterday amid allegations that he and a top aide may have attended Watergate poker parties where bribes and prostitutes were provided to a corrupt congressman.
Kyle (Dusty) Foggo, the No. 3 official at the CIA, could soon be indicted in a widening FBI investigation of the parties thrown by defense contractor Brent Wilkes, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the bribery conviction of former Rep. Randall (Duke) Cunningham, law enforcement sources said.
A CIA spokeswoman said Foggo went to the lavish weekly hospitality-suite parties at the Watergate and Westin Grand hotels but "just for poker."
Intelligence and law enforcement sources said solid evidence had yet to emerge that Goss also went to the parties, but Goss and Foggo share a fondness for poker and expensive cigars, and the FBI investigation was continuing….
Goss’ inability to handle the allegations swirling around Foggo prompted John Negroponte, the director of National Intelligence, who oversees all of the nation’s spy agencies, to press for the CIA chief’s ouster, the senior official said. The official said Goss is not an FBI target but "there is an impending indictment" of Foggo for steering defense contracts to his poker buddies.
Well, isn’t that interesting? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a really good cigar, a poker game and some hookers can apparently get you a $3 million water contract in Iraq.
Hayden’s nomination is all over the teevee this morning, with a full court press coming from the Administration on this and some tap dance from a select few Republicans who will, no doubt, be won over by Gen. Hayden’s sincerity and clarity of purpose for reform and the good of the nation in a few short days of meeting him before the confirmation hearings. Let the political minuet begin…
UPDATE: Speaking of full court press by the Administration, Negroponte is briefing on Hayden in the WH press room as I type.



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Negroponte is on the Tony Snow Live from the White House show rught now.
Mmmmmmm, Baldkakke
Oh, yeah – C-SPAN 1
Boy, that evil man has the most droning, boring voice ever… he gives me the creeps.
Mmmmmmm, Baldkakke
oh Attaturk, EWE!
Now I’ll have really nasty dreams, that’s for sure…
I cannot believe I read this, but at least this writer Al Kamen has a sense of humor:
>>>>>>
Career appointees at the Department of Agriculture were stunned last week to receive e-mailed instructions that include Bush administration “talking points” — saying things such as “President Bush has a clear strategy for victory in Iraq” — in every speech they give for the department.
“The President has requested that all members of his cabinet and sub-cabinet incorporate message points on the Global War on Terror into speeches, including specific examples of what each agency is doing to aid the reconstruction of Iraq,” the May 2 e-mail from USDA speechwriter Heather Vaughn began.
(snip)
Let’s say you’re talking about U.S. agricultural productivity. Try this: “I’d like to take a moment to talk about a nation that is just now beginning to rebuild its own agricultural production.
“Iraq is part to the ‘fertile crescent’ of Mesopotamia,” the sample script says. “It is there, in around 8,500 to 8,000 B.C., that mankind first domesticated wheat, there that agriculture was born. In recent years, however, the birthplace of farming has been in trouble.”
Probably want to pause here and give the audience a chance to catch its breath. It’s hard to travel 10,500 years that quickly. “But revitalization is underway. President Bush has a clear strategy . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..98_pf.html
Raw Story headline – more details later:
http://www.rawstory.com/
All I heard over the weekend was how messed up the CIA is. But isnt that a function of the Bush administration screwing it up? Just like so many other areas of governement. So, how is Hayden, a brilliant man but a hack, going to ‘fix’ this?
Among the many things I’ve read on Goss’s flight, was the statement that Hayden wanted Goss out. Sounds like Cheney’s caper when he went looking for a Vice-President to join Bush’s campaign and found himself the best qualified.
I just don’t know what to make of news coverage that says outright that other people are doing the behind-the-scenes heavy lifting for the CEO Prez.
What is the problem?
The Deciderer has deciderated that deciderating is hard work, and he will let Death Squad John and Shotgun Dick do it whenever they want, so that he — the Deciderer in Chief — can save up his precious deciderating bodily fluids, for the really big deciderations. You know, things like which country to invade, and what kind of bait to use for those really big fish.
If you live long enough you’ll see everything. Some things you’ll see twice –like Disco and Machievellian fucks like Negroponte pulling the strings.
Serious people and even innocent bystanders have to take this seriously, but the administration doesn’t.
If the administration cared about intelligence as anything other than a manufacturer of shabby “facts” and a tool to manipulate “elections,” we wouldn’t be seeing any of this.
Tenet disgraced himself, Goss got goosed. Negroponte shouldn’t be in charge of anything. And how we have an Air Force creep – who will refuse to talk about what he has done, what he is doing, and what he will do – as the next head.
If this administration, which claims it was blindsided by 9/11, were serious about intelligence, we wouldn’t witness this parade of compromised second-raters. We may not be sure about their loyalties, but we can be sure that they are willing to compromise on the Constitution.
Roxanne,
Did I miss disco twice? Whew! Let me know when it comes back a third time. I’ll head back to the mountains.
Negroponte stone walling Helen Thomas and most of the Washington press corps from his White House podium live on c-span – he continues to dodge as I post this. He thinks the CIA is going to welcome new leadership.
Jhon looks like he needs a long rubdown and a nice, fat cigar.
Helen Thomas rises to the occasion again! Asks why he fired Goss and do we have people in secret prisons.
Negroponte: blah, blah, blah and I won’t comment on the latter question.
Forgetting the Repugs for just a moment, my day began at 7 am, listening to Diane Feinstein on NPR, acting like a f**king cheerleader for Hayden! No joke, she basically said “he’s got years of experience, he ran the NSA, I don’t see any problems with him, blah blah blah”. What a disaster she is. Can some folks in the CA Roots Project get on this one? Maybe Hoekstra and Specter are making noises, but honestly, when we can’t even count on a Democratic California Senator on the Intelligence Committee to behave like someone who respects and is willing to stand up for the U.S. Constitution, we are in deep “merde” (to borrow from last thread).
I’m absolutely furious. Looks like we’ve got more than one Leiberman to contend with.
This is what Ray McGovern had to say about Hayden in Jan– looking forward to his take on his nomination to be director of his former agency…
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The idea that the once highly respected former director of NSA, Gen. Mike Hayden, had allowed himself to be seduced into sinning against NSA’s first commandment, “Thou Shalt Not Spy on Americans,” was initially met with incredulity. Sadly, no other conclusion became possible as we watched Hayden and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales spin and squirm before the press on December 19 in their transparent attempt to square a circle.
For many of us veteran intelligence officers, the press conference put a damper on the Christmas spirit. The Gonzales-Hayden pas de deux should trouble other Americans as well, because the malleable Gen. Hayden, now bedecked with a fourth star, is Deputy Director of National Intelligence – the second highest official in the US intelligence community. Only time will tell what other extralegal activities he will condone.
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=8356
It certainly backs up the idea that if you say that you’re the decider, you aren’t.
We’re paying Shrub how much per year for nothing but semi-literate speeches? Can we get a refund of that money?
Not that it really matters, but I have a hard time believing that two veteran spooks like Goss and Foggo would be so stupid as to party with hookers at the Watergate hotel. The scenario just screams “set-up for blackmail” — and an unoriginal one at that.
Maybe they were the ones doing the blackmailing, and it backfired?
In any case, intelligence will continue to be distorted and politicized while this group is in power, regardless of who has which title.
OT, but Matt Stoller has a post on Elizabeth Blumiller’s stenography, and her complete omission of, um . . . some fellow who was at a dinner and umm, er — preznit Bush was witty and funny and fabulous!!!
Best of all, there is a great photo of cocktail weenie pigs in a blanket . . .
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/5/7/22172/16915
angie,
McGovern was commenting positively on Hayden an hour ago on C-SPAN. McGovern said Hayden will restore the morale which he had two minutes earlier said was “fine” at the CIA.
What I find so interesting is the fact that Goss was somebody else’s pick for DCI. I don’t know it was, but you can see who is in the Decider’s good graces by finding out who is behind the latest personel moves.
I wonder who suggested Goss? Are they angry about their boy getting the boot? Could it have been Rove? You know, Republicans forever and all that…
The DCI is now a figurehead position, and it matters not a whit who has the job. Cheney, Negroponte and Rummy are running the show. Bushco had a wake-up call on 9/11 to get busy repairing our intelligence gathering apparatus. They chose to ignore it and make matters worse by screwing the CIA on Iraq.
And let me reiterate this point: They think revisiting the NSA domestic spying issue is a winner for them. They want the spotlight on the War on Terra. They know two thirds of the American electorate has never heard of the 4th amendment. And just because Feingold sounds smart during hearings on C-Span, their constituency isn’t watching.
Somewhat OT from previous thread. If the whole Plame leak was really about her and the fact that Brewster-Jennings “caught” the shipment of WMD’s headed for Iraq it would tie in perfectly with…
Ray McGovern’s question to Rummy last week about how he “knew where they WMD’s were.” what he actually knew is where they were going to be planted. He let his ego get the best of him wanting to look prescient and all.
Different topic: people here keep talking about the October surprise being another 9/11-type attack. No way does that help the GOP…this time. They got away with blaming Clinton the first time, but this one would fall squarely on their shoulders and destroy their image as national security providers.
Is it just me or does it seem the MSM is back (not that they ever really left) in full cover-up mode? No talk about WH troubles, Porter Goss and hookergate, falling poll numbers, Abramoff’s visits to the WH, switching the deckchairs on the Titanic, old and possibly new indictments. Just:
CIA is in disarray and Bush being proactive to fix
What a good guy Hayden is
Patrick Kennedy – bad history – coverup?
Timmeh and others ATTACK dems on TV
Howie Kurtz talking about not enough coverage of Kennedy’s past “problems”
NBC new “exclusive” interview with Cheney
The last few days I feel like I’m in a timewarp – attitudes of MSM are totally pro-Bush – you’d swear the his poll numbers were in the 80s considering the MSM rah rah. I wonder what happened…
Seems like the “benefit of the doubt to Bush” attitude came back full force after Colbert and since the Porter Goss resignation – complicity guilt comes to mind – so instead of acknowledging their part in everything Bush, they hunker down in self-protection mode.
Boy, do we need a good frogmarch to turn this around! C’mon Fitz!
Oh yeah, about Hayden — all I have to say about that is:
“Bring it, bitch.”
This should be fun to watch. Bush is holding a nail to head with one hand and hammering it in with the other. It almost seems that this is done on purpose.
Why? I don’t know
Hayden linked to MZM:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000581.php
This sort of reporting is exactly why we need to give generously to TPM Muckraker in the upcoming election season.
The mainstream media is simply not interested in seriously investigating corruption.
We need more boots on the ground actively investigating.
“Ray McGovern’s question to Rummy last week about how he “knew where they WMD’s were.†what he actually knew is where they were going to be planted. He let his ego get the best of him wanting to look prescient and all.”
That sounds like a highly likely explanation.
Just heard a radio clip on CNN similar to the one shoephone refers to (#20). DiFi continually enables these thugs, dealing with each issue in good faith one at a time, completely clueless about the larger battle going on, that it’s really about the future of our democracy. (Never mind that she’s wrong here even on the specific issue of Hayden.) They must LOVE her on the other side. What kind of psych problems does a Senator have to have to get kicked in the head time after time yet keep coming back, tail wagging, for another pat on the head?
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I do not find it shocking that Negroponte, not Bush, had the needed little chat with Goss. He is his boss. That is what bosses are supposed to do. There are plenty enough other reasons to feel disgust for Bush.
rat bastahd,
A 9/11-type October surprise works for them if they’re so far behind in the polls with the election coming on that the only way to keep the dems from taking control of the government is to declare a national emergency and to indefinetely postpone the elections until the situation has improved.
PJ Evans, I seem to recall that JFK donated his salary to charity. I’ve never seen it reported that Bush does the same thing, but I agree with you…we deserve a refund.
I like the idea that the head of the nsa is going to be questioned by some of our more aggresive democrats
I think we should start a roots movement to MAKE SURE he answers the questions on domestic spying
I want to ask him questions like;
“where is your loyalty, to the president or to the constitution?”
that would be a good one right there
hey christy and jane, please set up a post asking for some questions we need answered and we will all make sure our representatives don’t stop asking till he answers them
THIS IS EXCELLANT FOR AMERICA if we can get to ask him the questions we need answered
I am all for this nominaion, though not all for confirmation
let’s make this work for us
Head’s up. Premier Libby kool-aid drinker and Fitz critic, Byron York (he of the glorious hair) will be online at the WP with Markos to discuss John McCain. I plan on asking him if he thinks lying to a gj and the FBI is okay if you are a republican.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01254.html
and ask him if it’s ok to say whatever congress passes he is exempt to administer
Laura Rozen’s latest two posts are very interesting re: Goss and the CIA.
http://wawrandpiece.com
Hayden linked to MZM —
General Hayden Turgidson is the bestest, most qualifiedest person they could find — who’s preloaded into the unfolding Bribery and Hookergate scandal . . .
This weekend, I happened to visit a friend of mine who is ex-Air Force, and it turns out she’d actually worked under Hayden (not directly.) She said he was a good “get things done” kind of guy, and thought he was a good choice. (She’s not at all a GOP type, quite the opposite, but she’s not a political junkie either.)
I wasn’t inclined to argue, but it does make me wonder whether he’s a Colin Powell “good soldier” type rather than a blatantly evil Cheneyite. (Not that it would make him much less dangerous in the current situation, of course.)
Edward Teller #25– really?
This is OT, but I have to share. I auditioed last night for a play at our local Community Theater. Our Executive Director also Stage Manages the Rockettes at Radio City in NY each year and she is directing the play which is a Saturday Night Live-esque slam at the MSM. It is called “A New War.” It takes place on CNC network owned by a guy named “Burdock”, so you know where it goes. All the talking heads, pundits are hysterically represented.
The “New War,’ is in a location that is secret, so nobody knows who we are fighting, we just know they are ‘evil’
a, don’t dress like we do, and eat their house pets. It has the obligatory Anchors, male ad female, and a motley list of guests. One guy has had an American Flag sewed to his forehead to “support the troops!”
Anyway, I would sure like to get a part in this, so , I’ll let you know.
Any news about Neil Volz’s guilty plea other than what is in the WaPo?
angie,
Yeah, it would have been just before 0800 pst, he was introduced as a CNN national security commentator.
Good luck Kathi/Nanakat– sounds like a hoot!
Morning Rveryone!
XYZ # 31
thanks for the TPM heads up – have been hitting TPM all morning and missed it !
so it’s gonna be Cheney/Negroponte vs. Rumsfield ?
could someone tell me how you put a line through a statement to cross it out pleeeze?
it’s way useful
thanx in advance
B. Muse says: “Any news about Neil Volz’s guilty plea other than what is in the WaPo?”
May 8th, 2006 at 9:07 am
Please look at this:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000582.php
Oh and they have named the war, “Operation Bend Over and Take Your Eagle the Hard Way!”
me to me says:
May 8th, 2006 at 9:10 am
Please experiment with the strike tag above this comment box.
not visable, also I want to use it on my board…is there a keyboard function?
aha, I see the strike tag, will try to make that work elsewhere
thanx
Stephen Parrish – Thanks. I didn’t follow Josh’s links. I still forget to check Muckraker. I am hanging my head in shame. I saw a small blurb and didn’t bother to follow the links. There was nothing that I could find in Ohio papers. Thanks again for the link.
“This should be fun to watch. Bush is holding a nail to head with one hand and hammering it in with the other. It almost seems that this is done on purpose.” (Yarn)
You’ve got it- this is definately an attempt to start a fight that will provide a distraction. Clusterfuck was hoping for a big bloody donnybrook on supreme court nominations to take the heat off him- didn’t happen. Now he REALLY needs a crusade to fight for national security vis a vis the CIA. This one is of double value- allows HIM to change the subject from his own miserable failures and allows goopers to show that they aren’t rubber stampers- so everyone wins.
Don’t think there’s anything in this fight for the dems one way or the other. Look professional, ask the right questions- and let the thing go., Let the goopers do the fighting.
I two years the guy gets dumped ANYWAY. He only lasts as long as Clusterfuck does- a short timer.
Will this go as well as the Harriet Miers nomination to the Supreme Court?
Bribery and Hookergate…over the weekend I read someplace about the possibility that the poker games were used to launder funds, i.e., Wilkes, et. al., could have “lost” some of the poker hands to Congressmen.
My guess is that there is much more to the story!
B. Muse says:
May 8th, 2006 at 9:17 am
I found that link at Raw Story. I haven’t visited TPM yet.
The sad thing is that I WISH John Negroponte was really running the government right now. If he was, then we wouldn’t be invading Iran, as he is STRONGLY opposed to the idea.
the de facto announcement……
Standard Administration M.O.
let the Deciderer decide. why not?
Steve–Yeah that’s the thing about gambling- it’s a great way of covering a bribe.
“I go to these poker games and I lose half a million a month- but I keep on playing- hoping against hope that I’ll win eventually”.
Technically I’m certain Bush has never been in charge or “the decider”. He’s stupid enough to think so, but he’s been a puppet from the get go.
The neocons needed a complete moron they could manipulate and found the perfect foil in dim son. He had name recognition, a governorship and the faux bonhomme. They needed a tool and he was perfect.
I’ve been thinking about the rationale that because Bush was praising Goss at the White House on Friday means that Goss’ departure was non-hooker-related. If the photos surface of, say, a ball-gagged Goss being disciplined by some leather-booted gal/(guy?), the White House appearance is the best course of action. (Assuming Goss had to go as quick as possible.)
If they let Goss skulk away and the WH gave a no-comment, it will look like they knew all along. On the other hand, with Bush saying what a fine public servant Porter is, Bush can later say “I was shocked — shocked at the news of the double life Mr. Goss led.”.
LONDON – Prime Minister Tony Blair says that any consideration of a nuclear attack against Iran would be “absolutely absurd,” and said the issue had no bearing on his decision to demote his foreign secretary.
Jack Straw, the former foreign secretary, had described alleged U.S. contingency plans for a tactical nuclear strike against Iran as “completely nuts.”
Blair previously had avoided any condemnation of the idea and defended the right of President Bush to hold all options in reserve in the showdown over Iran’s nuclear program.
Some analysts believed that differences over Iran led to Blair’s decision on Friday to move Straw to the less-exalted position of leader of the House of Commons.
dialogue for the film:
(Lindsey Graham [with smarmy, southern gentlemanly-like enthusiasm]: Gen’ral Hayden, What a Mensch you are! Ladies and gentlemen, he’s a Steelers fan! What’s not to like?
angie #9
The Dept of Agriculture talking up the war on terror? Why not? I can see it. “Well, as long as we’re on the subject of cow manure, let me just say what a good job the President has done on the war on terror.” Works for me.
everhopeful #29
Bush’s JARs are stuck around 33% but his press coverage doesn’t reflect this because reporters are not working for us but are employees of corporations and it is they who are calling the shots.
As for the esteemed Senator from California, DiFi is DINO. Like most of that ilk, their egos are bigger than their common sense. Rather than STFU, she has to parade her ignorance and spinelessness for all to see. She truly is an embarrassment. A while ago we dubbed her, I think, the Lieberman of the West.
Kathi/Nanakat #44 – break a leg gal !
So “Pillsbury” Scottie what’s his name has held his last press baffling eh? Hello Pinata Snow!
Continuing a discussion about this topic from the prior thread, here is a link to emptywheel’s comments about Monday’s Washington Post story about Karl Rove and so forth:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
Phoenix Woman (#60): Yikes! Don’t say that! Negroponte is the un-dead Cheney. He’s the one who gave us the “Nicaraguan” Contras.
I’m truly disappointed in this nomination for CIA director. It sends a message of wimpiness. I mean, the guy only ran wiretapping? I was hoping for General Miller. You know, the Gitmo-n-Graib guy. A torture director would send a clear message to nay-sayers that they won’t have the Bush Administration to kick around anymore. Rather the reverse, my friends, rather the reverse.
(irony alert tag, in case one was needed.)
RE: Hugh says:
May 8th, 2006 at 9:31 am
DiFI makes Lieberman look good IMO; she and her war profiteering husband are most definately part of the problem not the solution . . .
CSPAN1 has an interesting program on now:
Forum
Impact of Corruption on Americans
Center for American Progress
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
Podesta, John President and CEO, Center for American Progress
Gosselin, Peter G. Correspondent, [Los Angeles Times], Economic Affairs
Birnbaum, Jeffrey H. Columnist, [Washington Post], Finance
Sirota, David Author
A panel moderated by John Podesta discusses the effect political corruption has on the average American.
David Sirota is the author of Hostile Takeover: How Big Money and Corruption Conquered Our Government–and How We Take It Back.
Stop the General Hayden nomination dead in it’s tracks blogswarm!
DiFi is one of my senators. She’s very moderate. She plays safe- she wins. She has my vote if not my warmest affection come November. She ain’t great- but she beats any gooper running!
Hayden, Likely Choice for CIA Chief, Displayed Shaky Grip on 4th Amendment at Press Club
By E&P Staff
Published: May 06, 2006 1:30 PM ET
NEW YORK Gen. Michael Hayden, expected to be named new director of the CIA, replacing Porter Goss as early as Monday, displayed a shaky awareness of the Fourth Amendment in an appearance at the National Press Club in Washingnon, D.C., on January 23, E&P reported at the time.
Hayden, the former national director of the National Security Agency, was much in the news at the time as a defender of the NSA’s domestic spying program.
Hayden, now principal deputy director of National Intelligence with the Office of National Intelligence, was NSA director when the NSA monitoring program began in 2001.
As the last journalist to get in a question at the Press Club, Jonathan Landay, a well-regarded investigative reporter for Knight Ridder, noted that Gen. Hayden repeatedly referred to the Fourth Amendment’s search standard of “reasonableness” without mentioning that it also demands “probable cause.” Hayden seemed to deny that the amendment included any such thing, or simply ignored it. He directly said “no” it did not include “probable cause.”
This caused Landay to reply, “The legal standard is probable cause, General.”
Here is the exchange, along with the entire Fourth Amendment at the end.
***
QUESTION: Jonathan Landay with Knight Ridder. I’d like to stay on the same issue, and that had to do with the standard by which you use to target your wiretaps. I’m no lawyer, but my understanding is that the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to be able to do a search that does not violate an American’s right against unlawful searches and seizures. Do you use –
GEN. HAYDEN: No, actually — the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: But the –
GEN. HAYDEN: That’s what it says.
QUESTION: But the measure is probable cause, I believe.
GEN. HAYDEN: The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: But does it not say probable –
GEN. HAYDEN: No. The amendment says –
QUESTION: The court standard, the legal standard –
GEN. HAYDEN: — unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: The legal standard is probable cause, General. You used the terms just a few minutes ago, “We reasonably believe.” And a FISA court, my understanding is, would not give you a warrant if you went before them and say “we reasonably believe”; you have to go to the FISA court, or the attorney general has to go to the FISA court and say, “we have probable cause.”
And so what many people believe — and I’d like you to respond to this — is that what you’ve actually done is crafted a detour around the FISA court by creating a new standard of “reasonably believe” in place of probable cause because the FISA court will not give you a warrant based on reasonable belief, you have to show probable cause. Could you respond to that, please?
GEN. HAYDEN: Sure. I didn’t craft the authorization. I am responding to a lawful order. All right? The attorney general has averred to the lawfulness of the order.
Just to be very clear — and believe me, if there’s any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it’s the Fourth. And it is a reasonableness standard in the Fourth Amendment. And so what you’ve raised to me — and I’m not a lawyer, and don’t want to become one — what you’ve raised to me is, in terms of quoting the Fourth Amendment, is an issue of the Constitution. The constitutional standard is “reasonable.” And we believe — I am convinced that we are lawful because what it is we’re doing is reasonable…
I heard on BBC radio and saw on the BBC website Hayden referred to as “retired”. Sometimes, I just have to wonder about the sloppy reporting there. I mean it’s not that hard to google and find out that one of the controversial aspects of the Hayden nomination is the fact that he continues in the military.
They also make no mention re: Goss’s departure of its Fornigate connections.
They do say that Hayden likes Shakespeare. Well, that’s a relief. Or maybe not if he really gets off on Richard III or MacBeth.
rwcole (#75) you sound like there are no other options. too bad. (btw,i’m just up the road in oregon.)
The scary part is, Hayden and Negroponte are what passes for sanity and competence in BushCo World.
cbl#48
so it’s gonna be Cheney/Negroponte vs. Rumsfield ?
no, it’s cheney/negroponte/rumsfeld/hayden v cia.
and the cia lost. whatever analysts remain will be folded into the national security state operations to feed the needs of the cheney administration.
Re #76:
“…………Gen. Hayden repeatedly referred to the Fourth Amendment’s search standard of “reasonableness†without mentioning that it also demands “probable cause.†Hayden seemed to deny that the amendment included any such thing, or simply ignored it. He directly said “no†it did not include “probable cause.†…”
There ARE in fact exceptions to “probable cause” as it relates to the issuance of warrants in the text of the 4th Amendment, and the legal lit is full blabbity-blab disputes about “conjunctive severability” (the “and no warrants shall…” thingy), but this clown should be up to speed on it. He apparently is not. And, I’m sure, just doesn’t give a shit.
World Record for a perch catch is 4 pounds 3 ounces. So much for the GREATEST MOMENT:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..aught.html
Guess Bush forgot to notify the Guinness Book of World Records. And to think what a bounce in the polls he coulda gotten!
hehe
democrats generally support bush’s foreign policy — when bush attacks iraq, leading democrats will cheer — thus feinstein, lieberman, hillary, schumer et al aren’t eager to go against the interests of the elite who give them the funds to win elections — it’s only in domestic areas that the elite allow democrats to vent their spleen — it serves as a safety valve that keeps the elite in control
The liberal press has already gone all squishy over Hayden. In fact while the agenda laced WaTimes lede was a properly hysterical “A military officer would be in charge of every major spy agency if President Bush nominates Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden to run the CIA”, the news side of the schitzo WaPo was less….intrepid-y.
The first couple of paragraphs indicate that, yes yes yes! the Staff Writers certainly WILL be available for cocktail parties all season.
Ensuing HaydenHype:
*He’s a “nonconformist…independent…outspoken” and paramount duh, he “enjoyed talking to journalists”.
*Hayden is presented as the anti-Rumsfeld -You know, the guy that only two Americans still like? The reporters, growing more popular in the DC social sphere by the word, write that agents wonder if “the mild-mannered Hayden can protect {the CIA} from the bureaucratic maneuverings of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld”.
*The entire conflict with Dems in Congress is explained with an anecdote about his inablility to cancel a family outing to brief them!
*This is the quote from the selected critic: “He is affable, he is nice and he is probably the senior most qualified intelligence officer in the United States”. His/her only problem seems to be the way the general dresses. Retirement would guarantee a whole new wardrobe.
*The WT writes that Hayden’s “career has centered on electronic spying”. The WP’s version? A more innocuous, he “comes out of the technical side of intelligence”.
That’s Ricks and Linzer-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..69_pf.html
iran, not iraq
Fahr–I’m originally from Oregon myself.
DiFi’s OK in my opinion. She won’t lead the charge- but she’ll carry some freight.
I’m not one eager for primary battles until dems hold a comfortable majority. I think it’s madness to put safe seats in play at this point in the hopes that we’ll get a “purer” dem.
You don’t play that game unless you are prepared to lose- and lose means- you get a gooper.
Great first chapter from the new book “Lapdogs” – covers what a hack Woodward has become and contrasts him with Fitz, who is doing what investigative journalists should be doing – getting to the facts.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..6?n=283155
rwcole
Feinstein completely flubbed the Alito hearings. She was disorganized, unprepared, and largely incoherent.
More generally, hasn’t it been Democrats playing it safe that has enabled Bush’s failures, disasters, and scandals? And if Diane Feinstein wins, who is she winning for? It may be for herself but it certainly isn’t us.
The Telegraph wrote the story this way published 3 hours ago…
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“You know, I’ve experienced many great moments and it’s hard to name the best,” Mr Bush told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. “I would say the best moment was when I caught a 7.5lb large-mouth bass on my lake.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..wsnew.html
Great quote from “Lapdogs”:
It was ironic that a federal prosecutor was quizzing a journalist, trying to pry out of him sensitive information that was damaging to the Bush White House and information the investigate reporter had refused to share with the public, let alone his editors. The strange truth was that, at least in regards to the Plame investigation, the special prosecutor had supplanted the timid D.C. press corps and become the fact finder of record. It was Fitzgerald and his team of G-men — not journalists — who were running down leads, asking tough questions and, in the end, helping inform the American people about possible criminal activity inside the White House. For two years, the press had shown little interest in that touchy task and if it hadn’t been for Fitzgerald’s work, the Plame story would have quietly faded away like so many other disturbing suggestions of Bush administration misdeeds. (Lots of frustrated news consumers must have been wondering where was the special prosecutor for Enron, Halliburton, and prewar intelligence?) As conservative blogger Glenn Reynolds noted in the wake of Woodward’s embarrassing revelation about his nonaction, “This is Watergate in reverse. The press is engaged in the cover-up here. If everybody in the press simply published everything they knew about this, we would have gotten to the bottom of this in a week instead of dragging it out for two or three years.”
I assume you’ve seen the latest, via Josh: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000581.php
Meanwhile and not really OT at all, real estate contract cancellations have hit 30 percent in Fairfax CO near D.C. If the Chinese hurry up and dump their dollars, this would be a perfect time to vaporize the Persians.
The sun coming in my skylight now absolutely fucking brilliant, BTW.
Hugh:
Yeah- DiFi is far from perfect.
The primary is a few weeks away- and she will win convincingly.
I don’t know what you mean by “playing safe”.
Les Ismore @ 11
Hayden is going to “fix” the CIA like your vet would “fix” your cat.
the republicans currently objecting are a feint — have a couple of members express concerns (which echo democratic concerns) — which gives the white house the opportunity to stand strong on the issue of national security, where the perception is republicans still dominate. in a couple of days hoekstra, et al following consultations and reassurances from the white house, will loudly proclaim their support.
the precedent of a military guy heading the cia is established and bushco is brilliant at using ‘precedent’ to get what he wants.
…Goss political martinets…
shaken, not stirred.
but then again -
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…it was further reported that Cunningham lived in a yacht aptly named the “Duke Stir” while he was in Washington that was owned by Wade, paying only for maintenance.[19] It is said Cunningham liked to invite women to his yacht. Two of them said that he would change into pajama bottoms and a turtleneck sweater to entertain them with chilled champagne by the light of his favorite lava lamp.
smoove operator, that Duke fella
Ray McGovern on his meeting with rummy:
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And there were more subliminal messages. In some press reports I was described as a “Rumsfeld critic†and “heckler†who was, heavens, “rude to Rumsfeld.†Other accounts referred to my “alleged†service with the CIA, which prompted my wife to question—I think in jest—what I was really doing for those 27 years. I believe I was able to convince her without her performing additional fact checking.
All in all, my encounter with Rumsfeld was for me a highly instructive experience. The Center’s president, Peter White, singled out Rumsfeld’s “honesty†in introducing him, and 99 percent of those attending seemed primed to agree. Indeed, their reaction brought to mind film footage of rallies in Germany during the thirties. When Rumsfeld replied to my first question about his false statements on Iraq ’s WMD, the applause was automatic. “I did not lie then…,†he insisted.
This was immediately greeted with what Pravda used to describe as “stormy applause,†followed immediately by rather unseemly shouts by this otherwise well-disciplined and well-heeled group to have me summarily thrown out. At the end, as we all filed out slowly, I could make eye contact with only one person—who proceeded to berate me for being insubordinate.
Scary. No open minds there. A graphic reminder for those wishing to spread some truth around that we have our work cut out for us. We have to find imaginative ways to use truth as a lever to pry open closed minds.
http://www.tompaine.com/articl…..msfeld.php
Hugh- Perhaps you mean that if the dems had screamed louder at the time then Bush would not have invaded Iraq, would not have engaged in illegal spying on americans, etc.
I think that Bush would have done those things no matter how loudly the dems screamed- and they screamed fairly loudly.
Perhaps by “playing safe” you mean not going for a fillibuster when they didn’t have the votes to sustain one? That- I believe- is just common sense.
DiFi is generally a disappointment, but she’s an entrenched insititution. Trying to take her down would be a wasted effort.
before Cunningham got the boat and named it the Dukester, it had been owned by a gay couple who had named it the “Buouy Toy” … I’m not making this stuff up!
rwcole #76: DiFi is one of my senators. She’s very moderate. She plays safe
Those were your words not mine. Democrats playing it safe to me means not challenging Republicans on the issues under the guise of keeping their powder dry and choosing their battles –which never seem to come. Feinstein epitomizes the stand for nothing Democrat whose only purpose is to lend legitimacy to Republican excesses. She is a DINO.
*ilson 100 – I’d read that too.
rwcole #98
Why is it so difficult or unreasonable to have expected the Democratic Party (and Diane Feinstein) to have acted like an opposition party instead of a coopted one?
In the WaPo pic of the Decided tis am. he has a look on his face as if he was doing something against his will. It is difficult to say if it was getting out of bed, standing their with the general, or acting Presidential any longer. Maybe it just isn’t as much fun as it looked when they asked him if he wanted to be President.
The Bush administration is rapidly becoming a true “military junta,” it not?
Bush construes his job PRIMARILY as “Commander-in-Chief” in an endless “War on Terrah” in which he has to have unfettered plenary power to disregard ANY law or provision therein that would incovenience him. His immediate high-ranking subordinates are put in place to simply support his Imperial view of himself. Unless the Court ultimately reins him in (Congress obviously will not), he will succeed in this.
Forgetting the hookers for a moment, isn’t it a big, fun, wonderful distraction to the real issue raised above by Steve 949 that the #3 guy in the CIA was playing poker with defense contractors? I mean, let’s just focus on what is admitted here: A man charged with our nation’s deepest secrets was regularly and publicly gambling with war profiteers. This alone raises some questions:
What were the stakes?
Did he ever lose? If so, how compromised was he by such losses? If not, why not?
Did he report the gambling winnings/losses on his tax returns? I’m betting (forgive the irony) not.
Was he drnking? How much? It’s HIS loose lips, not the prostitutes, we should be more concerned about.
Did Goss know about this? Negraponte? Hayden? Cheney? Bush? Did anyone express any discomfort about the mere appearance of impropriety?
David “Babbling” Brooks asserted on the News Hour that playing poker isn’t a crime. Really? Let’s check some laws and CIA regulations on that.
In another year, finding a high-ranking CIA agent risking money and disclosure with profiteers of our nation’s defense would be a major league scandal. With this outfit, which wears scandal like Mr. T wore gold, it is just a garish bauble lost in the corruption around it.
Kathi-good luck on the play!! I just saw Menopause the other night and that was a riot. It’s closing in one week if you haven’t aleready seen it–it’s on 91st street-uptown.
Goss:
Poker? I swear, I don’t even know her!!!
Poker in the front, hookers in the rear. Yikes!
via xyz from “Lapdogs”:
..conservative blogger Glenn Reynolds noted in the wake of Woodward’s embarrassing revelation about his nonaction, “This is Watergate in reverse. The press is engaged in the cover-up here. If everybody in the press simply published everything they knew about this, we would have gotten to the bottom of this in a week instead of dragging it out for two or three years.
Wow, I didn’t know Reynolds had ever written anything reasonable!
froggermarch #106
Excellent: David “Babbling” Brooks. He said that Bush would either be a really great President or a really bad one. I haven’t heard him discuss which he thinks it will be recently.
adapted from Steve Miller Band – The Joker
I’m a joker
I’m a smoker
I play midnight poker
I sure don’t wanna hurt no one
I’m a picker
I’m a grinner
I’m a lover
And I’m a sinner
I play my music in the sun
I’m a joker
I’m a smoker
I’m a midnight toker
I get my lovin’ on the run…
Whoo-hoo!
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By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s approval rating has slumped to 31% in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, the lowest of his presidency and a warning sign for Republicans in the November elections.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..oval_x.htm
Agie at #90 said
‘7.5lb large-mouth bass’
That makes much more sense; bass are very popular sport fish in TX, planted in a lot of lakes. (Bass-fishing is right up there with dove-hunting as an ‘everyman’s sport’.) Apparently the biggest size is about 22lb, 3ft long. So 7.5lb is respectable but not great.
Did he eat it or have it mounted?
P J Evans– the whole interview is mind boggling and up at the WH site
No word on the ultimate fate of the fish…
punaise 96, pajama bottoms and a turtleneck sweater? Wow. Women must have swooned at the sight of such sartorial splendor.
DiFi–I’d love to see her replaced with someone more progressive, but it ain’t gonna happen, not this cycle anyway.
it’s the translation from English to German back to English that caused Bush all the fish story problems. He used the word ‘bass’ which translates to ‘Barsch’ which can mean either bass, perch or pike. Perch per se is usually ‘Flussbarsch’. So the indeterminate word ‘Barsch’ got translated sloppily back into ‘perch’…
Still, catching a large fish of any sort is hardly the apex of most sentient humans dreams … the Preznit is still a schmuck!
Don’t hold your breath waiting for tough questions during the confirmation hearings. The Resident may be a big a weenie, but Congress is a bigger bunch of pussies. It will probably be a recess appointment.
new thread
Leslie 116 – the mind reels at the image…
From the Telegraph article linked by Angie #90:
“..He admitted not having been exposed to football in his youth but added: “Some of us older guys are now beginning to understand the significance of the World Cup around the world.”"
Don’t I remember seeing a picture of Bush giving the knee to an opposing soccer player during his Yale days?
New thread, btw
!ztiF
we are now in EPU territory
From the WH transcript JWR:
THE PRESIDENT: Listen, the World Cup is a — first of all, most Americans, up until recently, didn’t understand how big the World Cup is. And we’re beginning to understand. And the reason why is, a lot of us grew up not knowing anything about soccer, like me. I never saw soccer as a young boy. We didn’t play it where I was from. It just didn’t exist. I can’t even
– I’m thinking about all the — between age six, when I can remember sports, and 12 or 13, I just never saw soccer being played.
And so there’s a generation of us that really weren’t fanatic
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First of all, he can’t remember before age 6 and what stopped at age 12 or 13– he stopped learning anything? I love his use of the word fanatic……..
angie baby, thanks for posting! 31% – when will he hit the 20?
bobbyG(#77) His grip is shaky? No doubt! But it ain’t on the 4th Amendment. It’s down lower.
lina (27):
“And let me reiterate this point: They think revisiting the NSA domestic spying issue is a winner for them. They want the spotlight on the War on Terra. They know two thirds of the American electorate has never heard of the 4th amendment. And just because Feingold sounds smart during hearings on C-Span, their constituency isn’t watching.”
Exactly.
BushCo thinks Hayden is a winner for them because his background is 1) military and, 2) national security. Rove’s strategy will be to deride the patriotism of those Senators who question Hayden too hard, or announce votes against. Just watch the Intel Committee fall in line, except for Feingold and one or two other Dems. It’s all part of the November strategy.
It’s not enough for Dems to ask hard questions when all they’ll get is the MSM leading with stories about how they’re “soft on terra”. It’s not true of course, but that’s the influence Rove still has over the Press-the story will be about weak Democrats, not evil Hayden.
How to counter that? Who knows? Maybe those really smart Demoratic media consultants who keep losing elections can come up with something.
Or, do WE have to keep doing all the work?
hugh and rwcole (#87,89): this is one of the big problems we face: keeping the safe seats and adding more.
i, reluctantly, agree with you rw. i think DiFi will go along with the herd, if we can get some leadership. i’m hoping people will start listening to feingold and get behind his ideas. instead we’ve got a preening contest, but since when is that new?
someone earlier wrote that hayden should be asked:
“where is your loyalty, to the president or to the constitution?â€
is there something to this, with regard to him being an active duty member of the military? doesn’t that mean he can’t question bush’s actions/requests since the president is commander in chief/head of
the military? if so, this would like be planting someone with a built-in loyalty to bush at the head of the cia, wouldn’t it?
Thanks for the follow-up, Angie. I think I understand now what he was saying. At least to the extent that just about anything he says can be understood, that is.
http://www.african-angler.co.uk/fishing.html
Imperch! Nile perch are enormous.
Re: Polls
Anyone else think the various polling services are in a race to see who can produce the first Bush JAR in the 20’s? This is almost as much fun as what it must have been like watching Bannister and Landy vie for the first sub 4-minute mile, but even more entertaining….(bright side of everything – deck chairs on the Hindenburg and all that!)
BTW I don’t think a 29% JAR is this guy’s limit. He may in fact rack up the first sub-20 in history – one really has to admire that kind of dedication to reverse-excellence…?
As predicted, President Bush nominated Air Force General Michael V. Hayden to replace Porter Goss as head of the CIA. And while the Hayden nomination brings with it a growing laundry list of problems, that’s just fine with President Bush. After all, a fight is exactly what the Bush White House wants right now.
For the complete story, see:
“Bush Picking a Fight Over Hayden.”
WTF, lets promote the guy who broke FISA law! He already got one star from Bush… Hell, lets also give him the medal of freedom too. Join the Bremer/Tenant/Franks (BTF) gang of the growing number of professionally failed recipient sycophants. Bush is really making the constitution “just a god damned piece of paper”.
Umm . . . it should make for fun questioning, but since when have we been able to count on Dems in the Senate to actually do so?
I would suggest that it’s definitely two too many.
No questions yet about this corrupted Hayden NSA running ‘ training exercises’ that funnel intel to BOLTON!
From Wayne Madsen and uncorroborated but surely worthy of investigatin’!
And will Hayden the criminal bring back Cofer Black to assassinate any more American’s?
Will the criminal Hayden rule out kidnap, torture and hostage taking?
Spying on allies?
Domestic black ops?
Lots of questions – no opposition party or media to ask them.
Very interesting discussion of Goss,et. al. at http://www.madcowprod.com.
Interesting ideas in your blog. Keep on posting.