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		<title>By: gc wall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-108413</link>
		<dc:creator>gc wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The basics still hold true. Most people know that the administration has been telling lies about everything.  The reason that they are forced to lie about so many things is because what its members have in mind is wrong to anyone who does not like being forced to bend over. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its attempt to turn the U.S. into a plutocracy is anti-American, anti-democracy and anti-the American people. They bribed, bought and cheated their way into the White House. The imperial presidency does not exist because the current administration does not belong in the White House to begin with. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I did not realize that cheating successfully is the same as winning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Things they have lied about:&lt;br /&gt;
the money&lt;br /&gt;
the war&lt;br /&gt;
Medicare&lt;br /&gt;
the prescription drug benefit&lt;br /&gt;
Social Security&lt;br /&gt;
their critics and opponents&lt;br /&gt;
fake news&lt;br /&gt;
fake science&lt;br /&gt;
fake environmental protection&lt;br /&gt;
fake education agenda&lt;br /&gt;
the tax cut&lt;br /&gt;
the election(s)&lt;br /&gt;
the deficit&lt;br /&gt;
the economy&lt;br /&gt;
NAFTA and CAFTA&lt;br /&gt;
moral values&lt;br /&gt;
religion&lt;br /&gt;
spying on Americans&lt;br /&gt;
civil liberties&lt;br /&gt;
torture&lt;br /&gt;
the money&lt;br /&gt;
Mission Accomplished&lt;br /&gt;
the last throws&lt;br /&gt;
minority and individual rights&lt;br /&gt;
speeches&lt;br /&gt;
press conferences&lt;br /&gt;
9/11&lt;br /&gt;
the estate tax cut&lt;br /&gt;
the capital gains tax cut&lt;br /&gt;
abstinence&lt;br /&gt;
faith based churches&lt;br /&gt;
vouchers&lt;br /&gt;
international relations&lt;br /&gt;
diplomacy or lack of&lt;br /&gt;
elitism&lt;br /&gt;
liberal philosophy&lt;br /&gt;
the unitary executive&lt;br /&gt;
the right to life&lt;br /&gt;
energy legislation&lt;br /&gt;
the money&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If one listed the individuals, members of this administration have lied about, pro and con, the list remains finite, but an incredibly large number.&lt;br /&gt;
etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Busy, busy, busy. There are many things to lie about when an administration is attempting to bury democracy, break the middle class and create a two tiered economic system, while robbing the American people blind. The more corrupt this administration is, the greater its need for secrecy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anyone recognize a pattern here?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The list is long, but it all boils down to two concepts, a deep unbridled disrespect for democracy and for the American people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basics still hold true. Most people know that the administration has been telling lies about everything.  The reason that they are forced to lie about so many things is because what its members have in mind is wrong to anyone who does not like being forced to bend over. </p>
<p>Its attempt to turn the U.S. into a plutocracy is anti-American, anti-democracy and anti-the American people. They bribed, bought and cheated their way into the White House. The imperial presidency does not exist because the current administration does not belong in the White House to begin with. </p>
<p>I did not realize that cheating successfully is the same as winning.</p>
<p>Things they have lied about:<br />
the money<br />
the war<br />
Medicare<br />
the prescription drug benefit<br />
Social Security<br />
their critics and opponents<br />
fake news<br />
fake science<br />
fake environmental protection<br />
fake education agenda<br />
the tax cut<br />
the election(s)<br />
the deficit<br />
the economy<br />
NAFTA and CAFTA<br />
moral values<br />
religion<br />
spying on Americans<br />
civil liberties<br />
torture<br />
the money<br />
Mission Accomplished<br />
the last throws<br />
minority and individual rights<br />
speeches<br />
press conferences<br />
9/11<br />
the estate tax cut<br />
the capital gains tax cut<br />
abstinence<br />
faith based churches<br />
vouchers<br />
international relations<br />
diplomacy or lack of<br />
elitism<br />
liberal philosophy<br />
the unitary executive<br />
the right to life<br />
energy legislation<br />
the money</p>
<p>If one listed the individuals, members of this administration have lied about, pro and con, the list remains finite, but an incredibly large number.<br />
etc.</p>
<p>Busy, busy, busy. There are many things to lie about when an administration is attempting to bury democracy, break the middle class and create a two tiered economic system, while robbing the American people blind. The more corrupt this administration is, the greater its need for secrecy.</p>
<p>Does anyone recognize a pattern here?</p>
<p>The list is long, but it all boils down to two concepts, a deep unbridled disrespect for democracy and for the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Bully, No Pulpit?</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-107039</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Ink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Bully, No Pulpit?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 05:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] So Snow’s portfolio will include (if not emphasize) hectoring other reporters about how they’re not following the White House script closely enough. Sounds about right for this administration, at least on paper. Of course, he may not get to spend all day sending harranging emails to his former colleagues. Eventually, he’ll have to say something about the rapidly metastizing NSA wiretapping scandal, the impending indictment of Karl Rove, and a looming levee breech in the ongoing Cunningham investigation. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] So Snow’s portfolio will include (if not emphasize) hectoring other reporters about how they’re not following the White House script closely enough. Sounds about right for this administration, at least on paper. Of course, he may not get to spend all day sending harranging emails to his former colleagues. Eventually, he’ll have to say something about the rapidly metastizing NSA wiretapping scandal, the impending indictment of Karl Rove, and a looming levee breech in the ongoing Cunningham investigation. […]</p>
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		<title>By: mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-95707</link>
		<dc:creator>mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 05:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE:  #93&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Rove also testified to the grand jury that he had heard from Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. But Rove testified that Libby told him that he only heard the information as rumors being passed on to him by journalists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need dates on that, and we would also need to eliminate the possibility (unlikely, if you ask me) that Libby lied to Rove at the time. But if this is a reference to the July 10 or 11 conversation, and itâ€™s accurate, and Libby wasnâ€™t lying to Rove at the time, Fitzgerald must be convinced there was a concerted cover-up.&lt;br /&gt;
**********************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Libby didn’t lie to Rove; Rove lied about what Libby said to him. The lie at the core of this conspiracy to out Plame is the, “Yeah, I heard that story from some reporters.” The conspirators had to lie about where they obtained the information about Plame’s CIA employment as a covert operative, which Libby obtained in a fax from Marc Grossman at the State Department around June 12th. He also talked to Grossman and Cheney confirmed what Grossman said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We know that Rove was wise to the scheme because he said the same thing, eventually, when he “recalled kind of sort of” his conversation with Cooper some 7 - 10 months after his lawyer tipped him off to his Cooper problem, courtesy of Viveca Novak’s loose lips. Isn’t it an interesting coincidence that Rove’s email to Hadley doesn’t mention Plame by name, although Cooper and Novak told the grand jury that he did mention her name.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can take this to the bank: Every time someone associated with Cheney’s office, or the WHIG said, “Yeah, I also heard that from a reporter whose name I can’t recall,” they might as well have hung a sign around their neck with the words, “I’m guilty,” tatooed all over it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An apparent conundrum is presented by George Tenet’s mea culpa for not removing the infamous sixteen words in Bush’s SOTU speech. He fell on his sword on 7/11/2003 to save Bush, Cheney, and the WHIG from having to accept responsibility for lying us into war in Iraq. Rove supposedly helped him write the statement. Doesn’t it seem odd that he’s involved in arranging to have Tenet and the CIA accept responsibility for Bush’s FALSE statement about Saddam seeking to purchase uranium yellowcake in Niger when, at the same time, he’s supposedly attempting to discredit Wilson for accusing Bush of lying?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, we know that Rove is nothing, if not devious and mean-spirited. We also know that he’s a liar. Did he out Plame because Wilson told the truth and embarassed the administration into persuading Tenet to be the fall guy in order to minimize the damage to Bush for lying in the SOTU? Or, did he out Plame as part of a longer range plan to eliminate the CIA’s ability to gather intelligence about Iran’s nuclear adventures?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given Tenet’s willingness to be the fall guy and accept responsibility for Bush’s SOTU lie, there appears to have been little reason to roast Wilson. Unless, of course, the real target was Plame and Brewster Jennings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks to me like the conspiracy included Cheney and Hadley.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I doubt that all of this happened without Bush’s knowledge and his promise to fire anyone who leaked Plame’s identity was nothing more than another lie calculated to direct attention away from the White House, and I doubt that he would have said anything if he wasn’t involved in the conspiracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  #93</p>
<p>“Rove also testified to the grand jury that he had heard from Libby that Plame worked for the CIA. But Rove testified that Libby told him that he only heard the information as rumors being passed on to him by journalists.</p>
<p>We need dates on that, and we would also need to eliminate the possibility (unlikely, if you ask me) that Libby lied to Rove at the time. But if this is a reference to the July 10 or 11 conversation, and itâ€™s accurate, and Libby wasnâ€™t lying to Rove at the time, Fitzgerald must be convinced there was a concerted cover-up.<br />
**********************</p>
<p>Libby didn’t lie to Rove; Rove lied about what Libby said to him. The lie at the core of this conspiracy to out Plame is the, “Yeah, I heard that story from some reporters.” The conspirators had to lie about where they obtained the information about Plame’s CIA employment as a covert operative, which Libby obtained in a fax from Marc Grossman at the State Department around June 12th. He also talked to Grossman and Cheney confirmed what Grossman said.</p>
<p>We know that Rove was wise to the scheme because he said the same thing, eventually, when he “recalled kind of sort of” his conversation with Cooper some 7 &#8211; 10 months after his lawyer tipped him off to his Cooper problem, courtesy of Viveca Novak’s loose lips. Isn’t it an interesting coincidence that Rove’s email to Hadley doesn’t mention Plame by name, although Cooper and Novak told the grand jury that he did mention her name.</p>
<p>You can take this to the bank: Every time someone associated with Cheney’s office, or the WHIG said, “Yeah, I also heard that from a reporter whose name I can’t recall,” they might as well have hung a sign around their neck with the words, “I’m guilty,” tatooed all over it.</p>
<p>An apparent conundrum is presented by George Tenet’s mea culpa for not removing the infamous sixteen words in Bush’s SOTU speech. He fell on his sword on 7/11/2003 to save Bush, Cheney, and the WHIG from having to accept responsibility for lying us into war in Iraq. Rove supposedly helped him write the statement. Doesn’t it seem odd that he’s involved in arranging to have Tenet and the CIA accept responsibility for Bush’s FALSE statement about Saddam seeking to purchase uranium yellowcake in Niger when, at the same time, he’s supposedly attempting to discredit Wilson for accusing Bush of lying?</p>
<p>So, we know that Rove is nothing, if not devious and mean-spirited. We also know that he’s a liar. Did he out Plame because Wilson told the truth and embarassed the administration into persuading Tenet to be the fall guy in order to minimize the damage to Bush for lying in the SOTU? Or, did he out Plame as part of a longer range plan to eliminate the CIA’s ability to gather intelligence about Iran’s nuclear adventures?</p>
<p>Given Tenet’s willingness to be the fall guy and accept responsibility for Bush’s SOTU lie, there appears to have been little reason to roast Wilson. Unless, of course, the real target was Plame and Brewster Jennings.</p>
<p>Looks to me like the conspiracy included Cheney and Hadley.</p>
<p>I doubt that all of this happened without Bush’s knowledge and his promise to fire anyone who leaked Plame’s identity was nothing more than another lie calculated to direct attention away from the White House, and I doubt that he would have said anything if he wasn’t involved in the conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-95497</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see a concerted effort with the ‘ Flame’ clue.&lt;br /&gt;
Both Novack and Miller wrote down Plame as Flame in the first instance.&lt;br /&gt;
Rove was handling Novack and Libby, Miller.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘ Their (Latin) roots connect them’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then we have Libby testimony that Cheney told him Plames name and conspiracy is proven by ‘ Mens Rea’ or guilty mind. That’s when you go on deep, deep, DEEP background and/or quoted only as a ‘ former hill staffer’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hit them again Fitz. Hit them again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a concerted effort with the ‘ Flame’ clue.<br />
Both Novack and Miller wrote down Plame as Flame in the first instance.<br />
Rove was handling Novack and Libby, Miller.</p>
<p>‘ Their (Latin) roots connect them’</p>
<p>Then we have Libby testimony that Cheney told him Plames name and conspiracy is proven by ‘ Mens Rea’ or guilty mind. That’s when you go on deep, deep, DEEP background and/or quoted only as a ‘ former hill staffer’.</p>
<p>Hit them again Fitz. Hit them again.</p>
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		<title>By: lolo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-95377</link>
		<dc:creator>lolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 01:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;jane h&lt;br /&gt;
rove knew the wilsons from church.   (don’t forget)  also, i just love your tale about wilson being qhwb long lost son. (the one he wished he had) can you please link that post   for old times sake?   since it is almost Fitzmas?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jane h<br />
rove knew the wilsons from church.   (don’t forget)  also, i just love your tale about wilson being qhwb long lost son. (the one he wished he had) can you please link that post   for old times sake?   since it is almost Fitzmas?</p>
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		<title>By: baked potato</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-95165</link>
		<dc:creator>baked potato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 22:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgot to turn off italics, there, sorry….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to turn off italics, there, sorry….</p>
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		<title>By: baked potato</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-95163</link>
		<dc:creator>baked potato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim Preston at #58:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Near the bottom of the first page of the WaPo story, we see :&lt;br /&gt;
â€œFitzgerald has not charged anyone for the crime he initially set out to prove. â€&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I donâ€™t really like to quibble over every single word, but wouldnâ€™t it be more accurate to call it â€œthe crime he initially set out to INVESTIGATEâ€. For example, if Fitzgerald was harmed or intimidated during his investigation, I donâ€™t think that we would accept that those crimes donâ€™t count because â€œthe underlying crime was not provenâ€. Rule of Law, and all that rot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jim, excellent point.  The subtle misuse of language now seems to be part of the press’ everyday strategy.  When approachig some topics, an almost adolescent carelessness rules.  Funny how such “mistakes” are always in support of the right-wing line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Preston at #58:</p>
<p><i>Near the bottom of the first page of the WaPo story, we see :<br />
â€œFitzgerald has not charged anyone for the crime he initially set out to prove. â€</i></p>
<p>I donâ€™t really like to quibble over every single word, but wouldnâ€™t it be more accurate to call it â€œthe crime he initially set out to INVESTIGATEâ€. For example, if Fitzgerald was harmed or intimidated during his investigation, I donâ€™t think that we would accept that those crimes donâ€™t count because â€œthe underlying crime was not provenâ€. Rule of Law, and all that rot.</p>
<p>Jim, excellent point.  The subtle misuse of language now seems to be part of the press’ everyday strategy.  When approachig some topics, an almost adolescent carelessness rules.  Funny how such “mistakes” are always in support of the right-wing line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-94949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;William D. McAllister, official court reporter: (202) 371-6446.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William D. McAllister, official court reporter: (202) 371-6446.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-94906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom Maguire — let me know, we can split the cost of the transcript with you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Maguire — let me know, we can split the cost of the transcript with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/08/and-more-to-be-revealed/#comment-94770</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom at 94 — I can’t wait to take a peek at that transcript.  And I’d be all for NBC paying for an expedited copy so we can all give it a read.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom at 94 — I can’t wait to take a peek at that transcript.  And I’d be all for NBC paying for an expedited copy so we can all give it a read.</p>
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