
So, with varying degrees of emphasis, we learn that the WH spin on Goss being fired by John Negroponte because the President was too much of a weenie to do it himself "resignation" is that Goss and Negroponte clashed over power issues. See CNN, the WaPo and the WSJ for examples of this continuation of the Russert line.
Which explains the immediate, abrupt, surprise "resignation" (with a meeting pending with upper level Pentagon officials who had no idea their meeting was to be abruptly cancelled due to Goss…erm…"resigning" before the start of said meeting) with no successor immediately in place while we are fighting on two hot fronts abroad and dealing with a constantly hyped threat from Al Qaeda…how, exactly?
Something smells.
With all of the Dusty Foggo hitting the fan last week, you really have to wonder what connection that mess might have, don’t you? From the WSJ today:
Mr. Foggo has been a close friend since junior high school with Poway, Calif., defense contractor Brent R. Wilkes. The criminal investigation centers on whether Mr. Foggo used his postings at the CIA to improperly steer contracts to Mr. Wilkes’s companies.
Mr. Wilkes earlier this year was implicated in the charges filed against Mr. Cunningham, as an unindicted co-conspirator who allegedly had paid about $630,000 in bribes to Mr. Cunningham for help in obtaining federal contracts.
No charges have been filed against Mr. Wilkes, although federal prosecutors in San Diego are working to build a case against him, as well as Mr. Foggo, people with knowledge of the investigation said.
The FBI and federal prosecutors also are investigating evidence that Mr. Wilkes had given gifts to Mr. Foggo and paid for various services for him while Mr. Foggo was in a position to help him gain particular CIA contracts.
CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said Mr. Foggo "denies any improper gifts from Brent Wilkes." (emphasis mine)
Hmmmmm…"given gifts"…"paid for various services"…"improper gifts"? So that’s what kids are calling it these days. [NOTE: Note that the article indicates that Mr. Foggo is under Federal criminal investigation. Isn't THAT interesting?]
…and although it is possible that DC area hookers are masters of some type of modified Texas Hold ‘Em, I suppose, I’m thinking that the World Series of Poker isn’t exactly expecting a host of hooker competitors (well, any more than usual, since it is Vegas).
Laura Rozen is having a lot of the same questions. And Larry Johnson has some choice comments on inept picking of staffers.
You know, in a lot of jurisdictions, poker games for money are illegal, too. It’s not just the hookers. Thought I ought to point that out, as a former prosecutor and all — I like poker, play it on occasion in Vegas, but if they were running a high stakes game out of the Watergate hotel with members of Congress and their staffers, that might be of interest to local authorities, too. I think this story has some more…um…legs, in the days ahead.
And it looks like segments of the Administration (including perhaps Negroponte) are pushing Gen. Michael Hayden as Goss’ replacement. You may remember Gen. Hayden from such hits as his National Press Club appearance:
The president’s authorization allows us to track this kind of call more comprehensively and more efficiently. The trigger is quicker and a bit softer than it is for a FISA warrant, but the intrusion into privacy is also limited: only international calls and only those we have a reasonable basis to believe involve al Qaeda or one of its affiliates. . . .
QUESTION: Just to clarify sort of what’s been said, from what I’ve heard you say today and an earlier press conference, the change from going around the FISA law was to — one of them was to lower the standard from what they call for, which is basically probable cause to a reasonable basis; and then to take it away from a federal court judge, the FISA court judge, and hand it over to a shift supervisor at NSA. Is that what we’re talking about here — just for clarification?
GEN. HAYDEN: You got most of it right. The people who make the judgment, and the one you just referred to, there are only a handful of people at NSA who can make that decision. (emphasis Glenn Greenwald’s)
If Hayden is nominated, I expect every Democrat on the Intelligence Committee to do their damned job and grill him on every asinine public statement he’s made about this NSA mess. Including his complete misunderstanding of what the 4th Amendment is (via McJoan at DKos):
QUESTION: Jonathan Landay with Knight Ridder. I’d like to stay on the same issue, and that had to do with the standard by which you use to target your wiretaps. I’m no lawyer, but my understanding is that the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to be able to do a search that does not violate an American’s right against unlawful searches and seizures. Do you use —GEN. HAYDEN: No, actually — the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure. That’s what it says.
QUESTION: But the measure is probable cause, I believe.
GEN. HAYDEN: The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: But does it not say probable –
GEN. HAYDEN: No. The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure. . . .
I don’t know about all of you, but I expect people in charge of an entire clandestine service agency to understand the laws of this nation so that they can ensure that the persons under their supervision follow those laws. Hayden is the wrong choice for an agency already in turmoil for the idiotic staffing choices of Porter Goss and his Gosslings — why compound the problem by making an even bigger error?
I mean, honestly, now that we’ve lost some of the most experienced clandestine services officers due to political purging and ego clashes with Goss and his former Congressional staffers turned martinets at the Agency — at a time when we can least afford to lose any intel manpower, I might add — could the Bush Administration be so idiotic as to appoint yet another politically motivated hack to be in charge of things at the CIA?
…oh, wait. It’s the Bush Administration, and a crony appointment, to be vetted by the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress. What am I saying?
UPDATE: Josh catches this from Time: Hayden and Cheney are BFF. Guess Trigger’s pals are the ones pushing Hayden in the press at the moment. I’d say I’m shocked, but…well…I’m not.
UPDATE #2: Some hometown paper perspective on Goss from the St. Petersburg Times — interesting stuff. And a friend of Goss grades him "a C at best" as DCI.
Among possible candidates are Bush’s homeland security adviser, Frances Fragos Townsend; David Shedd, chief of staff to Negroponte; and Mary Margaret Graham, Negroponte’s deputy for intelligence collection.
Interesting that speculation from "friends of Goss" does NOT include Gen. Hayden. Anyone else sensing an internal power struggle storm brewing on the horizon?
UPDATE #3: Just to be clear on this, I realized after putting this graphic up that it is blackjack, not poker. I was just so happy to find a photo that wasn’t incredibly revealing (if you know what I mean), that I missed the cards until I’d already posted. How embarassing. Doh!
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Fitz ‘em fast !
christy!
punaise!
fitz!
I don’t think they’re wholesome.
Where I come from, we call it “doin’ the hibbity dibbity.”
in this morning’s Dana Priest story, it is mentioned that the ‘partisan political witch-hunts’ were unwarranted since 85% of the CIA were Republicans already.
"The agency was never at war with the White House," contended Gary Berntsen, a former operations officer and self-described Republican and Bush supporter who retired in June 2005. "Eighty-five percent of them are Republicans. The CIA was a convenient scapegoat."Hayden or whoever will be a recess appointment. Anything to get past the mid-terms without having hearings.
For some reason, I thought a strip poker screen shot was appropriate this morning. *g* Gee, wonder why?
“If Hayden is nominated, I expect every Democrat on the Intelligence Committee to do their damned job and grill him on every asinine public statement he’s made about this NSA mess.’
hahahahaha…stop, yer killing me…
Christy,
You are a decent, honest person, and must, at some level, believe others to be also. Alas, it profits us not to continue to wonder when these saracens will convert. They are consistent: consistently corrupt, vindictive, nepotistic, venal, and myopic.
They may need to refer to their Bill Bennett manuals for guidance.
Damn. Hayden, huh? I was still pulling for Bernie Kerik. Since when do Bush nominees who manage to be so desparately awful as to fail to get rubber stamped not get a second shot at a major appointment? Crikey, even criminal conviction hasn’t stopped some familiar old faces from turning up again in high positions. Why should Kerik be singled out for such humiliating neglect?
SIGH jdw — I know, but I needed to say it this morning for my own sanity.
Every time I see “General Hayden” my brain makes the association Sterling Hayden—> General Jack T. Ripper. This guy didn’t serve as Commandant of Burpleson AFB did he?
…oh, wait. It’s the Bush Administration, and a crony appointment, to be vetted by the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress. What am I saying?
exactly….. there are so many layers of deceit and criminal behavior in this administration that they cannot afford to bring new blood in, even if they wanted to (which they don’t, let’s face it). they really do have to play musical chairs with a shrinking number of goons who know where the bodies are buried.
and i stand with jdw at #8: i don’t expect anything from congressional dems, even when hayden is so apparently oblivious, even in an election year.
according to CNN, today Goss said about his abrupt resignation: “It’s just one of those mysteries…” for real!
Digby also has a quote that to most people concerned about the evisceration of the our civil liberties, would elicit much alarm. I don’t have that same assurance about congressional reaction. I suspect the dog and pony show, er, congressional hearings will provide some snappy video for charles schumer soundbites, but the outcome will be the appointment with the endorsement of the senate intel committee – just like with the clearly unqualified porter goss. :
“Gen. Michael Hayden refused to answer question about spying on political enemies at National Press Club. At a public appearance, Bush’s pointman in the Office of National Intelligence was asked if the NSA was wiretapping Bush’s political enemies. When Hayden dodged the question, the questioner repeated, “No, I asked, are you targeting us and people who politically oppose the Bush government, the Bush administration? Not a fishing net, but are you targeting specifically political opponents of the Bush administration?” Hayden looked at the questioner, and after a silence called on a different questioner. (Hayden National Press Club remarks, 1/23/06)
I have good news!
My lifelong hardcore republican mother said she does not like George Bush anymore and she now considers herself an independent.
EPU’d.
I hope the folk in Congress will ask Hayden lots of pointed questions to find out if he’s actually read the 4th Amendment in the last six months. Actually understanding it is perhaps too much to be expected.
Why should Kerik be singled out for such humiliating neglect?
kerik is under multiple investigations in nyc — and the bushies don’t have the control over those investigations like they do elsewhere. yet, anyway.
former CIA #2 dog John McLoughlin just said that having 3 CIA directors in less than fours years is rarely helpful.
Actually, it’ll be 3 Directors in less than 2 years… (Goss lasted just 19 months)
So, are they like a gaggle of geese? Or more like a big bunch of goose eggs (i.e. “zeros”).
As long as we’re fantasizing about confirmation hearings, a whole set of Dem. questions to Hayden (or any DCI nominee) should begin with, “Would you, as your Republican Congressman predecessor did, …”, then take your pick: appoint a high-school friend of a convicted briber, attend poker parties, attend parties with prostitutes, etc.
But my money is on a recess appointment. None of that time-consuming “paperwork” or “marshalling arguments” needed.
Billmon: “The CIA isn’t the new FEMA; it’s the new New Orleans, flooded and gutted and left to mold in the mud.”
cathy
Excellent! No gloating, now…
Not girl prostitutes, kids — boys!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/5/194558/7271
WOO-HOO! and live boys at that!
be sure to check out the “update” link to the texas stuff!
“recess” is so appropriate a word for it on so many levels…
How long could Gen’l Turgidson serve if appointed that way? Isn’t it a year before a full congressional “review” (another oh so appropriate word…)?
klevenstein-
I can’t gloat even if I wanted to because my dad is a hard core neocon republican, and they never change.
This last point by RH is key, methinks: fascist eschatology predicts their own downfall electorally, but they want to continue in legacy. This is why they obsess over judges even at the expense of voter disgust. (Cue sound of retching.) Their claws have dug deep, in the judiciary and in the intel community. The scars will be with us even if we enter a sustained period of unGOP convalescence. Kennedy (and even more so Johnson) was pushed into disaster upon disaster (eg, Vietnam) because the ideologues had firmly taken root during Eisenhower, after their Truman broadcast. Hayden (or some other asshole) will be confirmed…then the GOP will be routed in Nov…and that will be too little too late.
DrBB — me too. His whole confirmation testimony will revolve around ‘precious bodily fluids’ and the NSA program is the only solution.
Redd-
Maybe you need to change the gender in the picture.
The dailykos article medaka 25 points to is really not conclusive. It is suggestive, especially in pointing out the odd phrasing of one of the denials, but the boys question is definitely not settled.
For MSM purposes it’s better if the prostitutes are women. I imagine gay prostitutes are probably a ratings nightmare.
Accept “escorts” and limo rides, shoot people in the face (and then hide from the breathalizer for two days), violate the 4th amendment and then insist on misquoting it, violate uncounted international agreements; that’s all okay, because it’s the Righteous-wingers doing it…
…but don’t have a wreck while DUI of your legal medications (especially if your name is Kennedy), because that’s really how libruls act…
…oh, wait, I just remembered that Georgie W Bush and his sidekick Crashcart were busted for that, too; and Laura actually ran a stop sign and killed someone.
Lissen here, you commie symps, both Mike Hayden and Buck Tugidson are fine generals and dedicated americans who are committed to protecting our great country and its precious bodily fluids!
But that Dick Cheney, …well, …he’s a wackjob!
Cathy at 30 — it took me a while to find a strip poker photo that I could use without…erm…exposing a whole lot more than I wanted. Don’t make me go diving back in there again this morning. *g*
medaka @ 25
Speculation by old Log Cabin Repugs using their gaydar that KR is gay?
Ok, it makes alot of sense why Goss went a packin’ with his coffee still sitting on his desk, grant you that. And it would add a remarkable new dimension to the story.
Now that Gannon’s out of the closet, it would be great to hear what he has to say.
And of course the psychology of self-loathing by closeted gays goes far to explain Rove’s tortured evil and love of wedge issues; Goering was also gay. The hypocrisy stinks to high Heaven; I can think of a few other senior WH officials who fit the bill too.
This would be incredibly deep irony and they’d suffer a nukular meltdown of the wingnut base if this comes to pass.
Chimpy himself, gay, gay, GAY!
is all this GOSSip about GAY jeff GANNON-like prostitutes?
Dukestir had some interesting taste in fine antiques. . . huh? wink wink wink. . . not that there is ANYTHING wrong with that…
General Hayden of warrantless wiretap fame is not an acceptable replacement for the CIA post. I will contact my Senators and Congressman to express that view. Heck,I may even email the WH. If you agree, I suggest you do the same.
Ceee
don’t bother with the WH, the NSA will pass your post along shortly
Maybe we should help our dems out by providing them with questions to ask Hayden — or any nominee that Bush eventually puts forth.
It surprises me that congresscritters and their staffs are so out of touch with the current news, as provided by the blogs. So they would never, ever even think of looking up a CIA candidates old statements. We should help these poor uninformed people.
Medaka 25 – that reminds me of the scandal, quickly whisked off the front pages, during Bush 41’s time in the WH. There were supposedly secret midnight tours of the WH, all young men in their late teens/early 20’s. It was first reported in the washington times, wreaked havoc on a few lives and careers and disappeared.
http://billmon.org/archives/001692.html
Scroll down about 2/3’s of the way to find a few stories or google midnight whitehouse tours. Hmmm.
#34 Christy Hardin Smith says:
Cathy at 30 — it took me a while to find a strip poker photo that I could use without…erm…exposing a whole lot more than I wanted. Don’t make me go diving back in there again this morning. *g*
ummm REDD . . . the image you have used is of BLACKJACK not poker . . .not that i want to bust your chops or anything . . .
FOGGO sez: liquor up front and poker in the rear!!! or may be lickHim up front and pokeHim in the rear!!
sorry ;-P
this is more than a spreading scandal — it’s unending rot
the leading democrats are complicit because they’re eager to help bush’s foreign policy along — bush knows they’ll cheer when he attacks iran, so he’s confident of being able to last till his term expires — mid-term elections won’t change anything unless democrats side with feingold but i’m not holding my breath
a republic that relies on a volunteer military is doomed to become a military dictatorship — the occasional civilian puppet may reach the top but the military will wield power
right now the military is giving our government plenty of rope, knowing that the accelerating loss of respect will make the coup bloodless & unseen
DrBB, thanks for mention Bernie Kerik. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves. When discussing the origin of Bush’s imploding second term, people always mention Schiavo or Social Security privatization (and some, who are half-asleep, even place it as late as Katrina). It is high time we recognize the Keirk appointment as the Ursprung of Bush’s hubristic fate and the paradigm for his second term.
Washington=Boy’s Town.
Professor Foland (31)
yes, it is quite inconclusive, and the comments reference even more outre territory (i.e., that wonderful jpg’d headline from the Moonie Times: Homosexual Prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPS with Reagan, Bush). And much of the discussion borders on tinfoil millinery…
But! were it to become a real, live, Gannon-talks-before-being-disappeared gay prostitute scandal, well I would be just *greased* with the most scintillating and sparkly Schadenfreude…
I mean, who wouldn’t, eh?
*g*
As we lawyers like to say: “FOR THE RECORD” the text of the Fourth Amendment is below.
(Interesting aside: As a young lawyer practicing in misdemeanor criminal courts, I quickly learned that when a lawyer says “for the record” in court it means: “Judge, what I am about to say is complete bullshit, I don’t even believe it myself, but I have a client standing next to me who is paying me/expects me to say this and I have to make a good show.” The great thing was after uttering the magic words “for the record” you could say the most outrageous shit and the Judge pretty much didn’t care.)
U.S. Constitution: Fourth Amendment
Fourth Amendment – Search and Seizure
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
livetoad says:
May 6th, 2006 at 7:27 am at 28
There will be nothing left but a pile of smoldering ashes.
Just another sideshow in the black immolation of the American myth. Stay loose, chilluns.
I can’t imagine that we’ll get a recess appointment for CIA chief. Not with Bush’s ~32% approval rating. Given the current situation, this is a time for the Dems to really step up in confirmation hearings, as has already been mentioned here. This is true in both the Judiciary and Intelligence committees. We’ll see who can actually get to the meat of the matter instead of dancing around about 20-year-old trivia like “Concerned Alumni”, etc. I’m looking forward to Tuesday’s Judiciary Committee hearings. Pat Leahy is going to come on strong, I am sure. We can always count on Feingold, of course. The question is whether Biden and the rest of the gang can stop showboating and put together a coherent argument. I’m looking forward to it, but I am a hopeless optimist.
peace,
jim
BKNY’s quote in post #16 is deeply chilling. I’m not surprised that they’re tapping political opponents, just that Hayden is so blithe about it that he confirms the charge by ignoring it.
I honestly think the ladies and gentlemen would prefer to be called “escorts”. They’re not the ones who are trying to destroy the country, remember.
peace,
jim
Maybe Goss leaving isn’t all bad, if the new guy can do a better job protecting our Purity of Essence.You know, I drink only rain water…
yes, Mommybrain, thanks for the link…I don’t buy into the Gannon-is-disappeared/kidnapped-child-whatsisname, but there is so so SO much about this White House that recalls Goering & Co: Mehlman, Mary Cheney, Gannon, Dyer, that Congressman from VA on the DL who quit, etc etc…
ppirt at 42 — oh yeah, point taken. It IS blackjack. Doh! I was so happy to find a mostly clothed photo, I missed the fact that I’d found a blackjack screen instead of a poker one. Ooops!
Good Goss-free morning to all! We must stop Hayden from replacing him, cause you know why…
(((0))) (((0))). (thanks to Dru!) I spy an illegal wart and warmonger on the face of America.
If you need a purge this Saturday morning, CSPAN2 has Snitchens on at 1130 ET talking about his book on Thomas Jefferson…
How weird is that? TJ is spinning in his grave, I guarantee it.
Re the gay angle: I live in a gay neighborhood. I have gay friends. I like gays. I don’t discriminate against them.
But many, many top Republicans are gay:
George Bush
Grover Nordquist
Karl Rove
Ari Fleisher
Scott McLellen
Karen Hughes
KindaSleazy Rice
Ralph Reed
Laura Bush
Scooter Libby
Gary Bauer
And, from what I saw of the hearing, I would put Sam Alito in the group but I’m just guessing on that one. Still, I do have a pretty decent “gaydar.”
Jeff Gannon Guckert wasn’t visiting Karl Rove — he was visiting GEORGE BUSH.
http://www.gaylesbiantimes.com/?id=6206
One of the biggest un-kept secrets in Washington, DC is that closeted gay Republicans are everywhere – the White House, Republican Party organizations, the halls of Congress, the most influential law offices, and the most powerful lobbying firms in our nation’s capitol. Some of those who remain closeted have chosen to be either passive bystanders or, in some cases, active critics of our movement while comfortably partaking in the fringe benefits of our community work – all the while sipping the finest martinis in our trendiest gay bars….
So they’re really against gay marriage because they feel if they can’t enjoy their predilections in public, no one else should?
OT, Christy, my bus driver was talking about Noni a Tahitian fruit that the juice is supposed to cure what ails you, that Danny Glover drinks a bit a day for the arthur in his knee. That reminded me of a couple women at school talking about cherry juice (the expensive bottle, a concentrate I think), that a friend’s uncle (or her brother’s cousin’s husband’s nephew?) swore by it. He takes a tablespoon a day or something and hasn’t had his debilitating arthritis. I would have emailed you since this could be snake oil BS, but figured others might have input.
tom — chicago 57
was that you passing out dollops of fitz-gossip yesterday?
just curious!
Ha ha
I heart Digby
“I suspect this is Snow taking out his new toy for a spin — and the press corps, thrilled to give the Bush administration a 276th chance, have all piled in the back seat.”
WHEN, O WHEN, WILL YOU GUYS TOUCH THIS ISSUE? WE, DEMS, WON THE LAST TWO STOLEN PRESIDENTIAL RACES. WE WILL LOSE IN NOV. CUZ THEY WILL STEAL THE VOTES THEY CAN’T WIN.
IGNORING THE PROBLEM HASN’T WORKED SO FAR.
In GA, in 2002, a Rethuglican hadn’t won a statewide race since the Civil War but easily won (despite polls show them losing badly) in the FIRST ELECTION after installing ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES. This is how the Rethuglicans won both houses and the white house.
WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.
http://www.mcall.com/news/loca…..ighton-hed
Voting machine warning issued
Schuylkill, Carbon bolster security efforts after glitch found.
By Chris Parker
Of The Morning Call
Alerted late Tuesday that new electronic voting machines that many counties bought are vulnerable to tampering, election officials in Schuylkill and Carbon counties say they will keep the equipment locked up tight until the May 16 primary.
A ”potential security vulnerability” in machines sold by Diebold Election Systems Inc. of McKinney, Texas, could let ”unauthorized software to be loaded on to the system,” Pennsylvania Secretary of State Pedro Cortez said in a warning issued to the counties.
Lehigh Valley Local Links
Diebold found the glitch and will fix it, but ”to mitigate any immediate risk, all counties using [the equipment] shall install the authorized software during system start-up prior to installing, testing and sealing the election data card into the unit,” Cortez’s memo says.
He said the Department of State will furnish the software and instructions for it.
Schuylkill County Commissioner Mantura Gallagher revealed the alert at a meeting Wednesday.
”The probability for exploiting the system is considered low, but there is the possibility, and it’s all about access,” Gallagher said. ”You must have access to these machines in order to break into them. It’s not something that can be done via another computer.”
Gallagher said she and Schuylkill Election Bureau Director Elizabeth Dries discussed heightened security.
”We are going to do everything we can to make sure these machines are not touched by anyone before the voters begin to vote,” Gallagher said. Dries will ”have these machines under complete lockdown. She is using some for training, but will clear the systems and have them programmed again and that’s when they are going to go into lockdown.
”Betty knows that whatever she needs to make this happen will be OK with us. We’re going to support everything she needs to make this as secure as possible.”
re: #57 tom — chicago
nice starter list . . . but . . .
let’s not forget the truly horrid closet dwellers . . .
LYNN CHENEY
&
RALPH REED
;-(
oopos, bad link:
http://www.mcall.com/news/loca…..ighton-hed
I’m looking forward to Tuesday’s Judiciary Committee hearings. Pat Leahy is going to come on strong, I am sure. We can always count on Feingold, of course.
yeah, just like leahy has held pat roberts’ feet to the fire to get the 2nd phase of the intelligence investigation. What’s it been now, a couple of years since it’s completion was promised; and roberts has no intention of fulfilling == ever.
Please, the senate intel committee is utterly useless and nothing more than a rubber stamp for fredo’s appointments. Hell, he won’t have to bother with a recess appointment. Just like they rolled over for porter goss, they will roll over for Michael hayden.
Poker, blackjack, whateva! The sleazoid come-hither porn babe’s the thing!
From wiki:
Lawrence E. “Larry” King Jr. ran the Franklin Community Credit Union of Omaha, Nebraska and was a prominent fundraiser for the GOP before pleading guilty to embezzlement. He was alleged to have been involved in, or the leader of, a child-sex group in Nebraska in the 1990s.
A television documentary on this topic, Conspiracy of Silence, was produced in 1994 but never aired, apparently due to concerns about liability for defamation. The Conspiracy of Silence article says that the reason it was never aired is that major legislation affecting the cable industry was on the drawing board and certain Congresspeople were threatening the cable industry with adverse consequences if it aired.
Shoot, I need a cleanup on post #62. damnit, i gotta proof ….
Christy, can Bush do a recess appointment on someone if no hearings have been held? I know he appointed Bolton, (and others) but there had already been hearings.
His poll numbers are so in the tank, I think he is in a “What the Hell” mood anyway. Like a cornered animal, there is no telling what he will do. The whole situation is scary.
Tom,
Let’s not leave Ken Mehlman out of the mix.
The VA congressman was named Schrock.
OT.
Kurdish fighters are calling foul on Iran claiming they are joining with Turkey against them.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..9D7358.htm
Wider regional war coming to tv screen near you.
-GSD
Yup, that was me. Granted, it was tom flocco but I can see AIPAC behind some of this shit. They love to hire hookers for politicians in hotel rooms, secretly tape them, and then BLACKMAIL THEM.
This is their MO. It’s how they operate.
Also, I don’t believe that Valerie Plame was outed cuz they were pissed at Wilson’s op ed. I mean, c’mon, that’s just ridiculous.
Now if she was about to stop their operation to plant WMDs in Iraq — that I can believe. Or if she and her group knew that Iran didn’t have WMDs, that is another reason to take her out.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4939
id the White House plan to ‘find’ WMD in Iraq until Brewster-Jennings intercepted their shipment? Was that why Plame was in their crosshairs long before Wilson’s editorial?
Buried in a TPM Nov 18 blog about what the WH was really thinking when it invaded Iraq, Joshua Micah Marshall writes “This even leads to a sort of inverted conspiracy theorizing when people ask, ‘If he knew there was no WMD, why didn’t they at least try to plant some to avoid the catastrophic embarrassment which ensued after the war….The real answer, I think, is as banal as it is devastating: I don’t think they ever gave it much thought — not in the sense of trying to get to the heart of the matter.”
This WH may be diabolical, but it’s not stupid. Apparently, they gave it a lot of thought if the following is true. As Wayne Madsen reports (Nov 11):
“According to U.S. intelligence sources, the White House exposure of Valerie Plame and her Brewster Jennings & Associates was intended to retaliate against the CIA’s work in limiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. WMR has reported in the past on this aspect of the scandal. In addition to identifying the involvement of individuals in the White House who were close to key players in nuclear proliferation, the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division prevented the shipment of binary VX nerve gas from Turkey into Iraq in November 2002. The Brewster Jennings network in Turkey was able to intercept this shipment which was intended to be hidden in Iraq and later used as evidence that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction. U.S. intelligence sources revealed that this was a major reason the Bush White House targeted Plame and her network.”
GSD 68
That’s it! re: The VA congressman was named Schrock.
Now I remember the chorus: “I’m shrocked, just shrocked!”
Speaking of closets.
Day three that the Drudge Report is running the Pat Kennedy issue on the headlines with pictures and all.
Jeesh Eggboy, haven’t you milked this family enough? Maybe time for a Chappaquiddick retropsective too.
-GSD
Mehlman. I knew I forgot him. It was a starter list, off top of my head….still him…
chi tom – nooooooo
not KKKaren and Killa Sleazy!!!
I may have to turn in my dyke card!
Besides, isn’t Killa Chimpy’s mistress beard? Or they’re each other’s beards? Or something…
I know this game of hookers-n-poker. While poker is played on the table, the hookers do their “jobs” under the table. The first “playa” to smile loses and pays for services rendered.
oh, there’s also lying to FBI agents (isn’t there kind of a stiff penalty for that?), lying to Congress (those 16 words, there’s a pretty good case for intentianally mis-leading us into war, and doesn’t that carry a fairly stiff maximum sentence, like death by lethal injection?).
Yeah, there’s been talk about Outrage Fatigue for a long time, a really, really long time. I think I’m about to begin a new career as a pot banger.
Lynne Cheney *shudder*
Sharkbabe 73, I’ll take yer dyke card and raise you two minty-freshbutt Republican Bouy-toys…
*g*
Sharon,
“my bus driver was talking about Noni a Tahitian fruit that the juice is supposed to cure what ails you”
The company that makes it is headquartered in Utah. Most of it is sold overseas via multi level marketing, something like 250,000+ “distributors” world wide. I do a lot of business in Utah with the “nutraceuticl” folks. Personally, I think it’s snake oil as is most of that stuff ; )
“I’m shrocked, just shrocked!â€
darn near punaise-worthy
A dumb question (my specialty) but didn’t Porter Goss do what he was supposed to do–gut, purge and defang the CIA?
bkny at 64 — To be fair, Leahy is on the Judiciary Committee/ Pat Roberts feet being held to the fire is something that ought to be done by the Intel committee — and I don’t think Leahy is a member on that. That should be Feinstein, Rockefeller and others getting a smack on that one. Could be wrong, but I don’t recall Leahy on the Intel — should check that to be certain, though.
Hayden pushed by Cheney. Its just the Neocon’s way of reminding the CIA they were snookered by an OP ran against them and this country. This should be fun.
Christy and bkny-Barbra Mikulski sits on the intelligence commitee-and she does’nt say sh*t.No fire,no feet,no nothing.My senator makes me sick on this,can you tell?
Sharkbabe 78
darn near punaise-worthy
Nahhhh! I mean: I WISH I could enter the Punaise-Zone!
That line was banter’d about on many of the gayish flavor’d blogs when The Toad Shrock got his stinky pud outted…
I know: EWWE…
So maybe the intelligence committee needs some help framing the questions. (They aren’t all rubber stamps) . . . Let’s use the weekend to come up with a good solid list to help them out.
And if any White House reporters (those who sit in the non-stenographer row) want to use the same questions to make Tony Snow’s first day on the job memorable, well, that’s just icing on the cake.
In the end, Dubya can make a recess appointment any time he wants, but if he does it BEFORE there are any hearings even scheduled, he’s gonna tick off a bunch of folks on his side of the aisle, just when he needs them the most. Specter has said he’s going to hold hearings on the practice of “signing statements,” but we’ve heard bluster like that from him before. If Dubya makes a CIA recess appointment without even giving the Senate a change to talk about it, it might push Specter and others to go ahead with those hearings.
Hearings: for folks who don’t want to listen to anyone, that’s a very, very nasty word.
It’s likely that this bunch can’t get anyone in who isn’t part of their circle of corrupt friends.
If Bush asked anyone with any integrity (or just a strong desire to stay out of jail) to come in and, pardon the thought, clean things up, they’d have to refuse, with all the investigations going on and who knows how much stuff that hasn’t surfaced yet.
When Reagan called in Howard Baker to clean up after Iran-Contra, Baker insisted on all the power he needed to run the snakes out. Ronny gave it to him.
Do we think W would do that?
I don’t think these guys are gay, as most normal gay people behave.
I think they are part of a longstanding tradition where powerful men have taken younger men under their wing and groomed them for power. Part of the payback the younger men have paid, has been sex. The older guys want the sort of sex (and feelings) they don’t get from their wives.
Couple this tradition with America’s sexual prudery (and that does show to the rest of us) and you have a situation that works, if and only if homosexuality is something to be covered up.
Think about it. A young powerless male agrees to do something that could ruin his career and life, if it got out. But he does it because in return he gets access to power that he wouldn’t otherwise. And in turn, in time he holds that power over others.
It creates bonds and a group mentality that allows them to get things done. Step out of line and you can be ruined. Stay in line and you get rich.
The trouble now is that plenty of men are stepping up and saying “I’m gay. Get over it.” And living their lives, most of which are pretty similar to most other people’s lives.
In time they’ll also be making their way into the halls of power and the spotlight and the old system will break down because the threat will no longer be effective.
cathy #17~
Good on your mother ! and good on your for keeping your relationship healthy enough that she could feel okay saying that to you!
The last time I protested in DC was in Sept of 2005. When I returned, I learned my ex was back in the hospital. During those last days, he told me, “I didn’t vote for Bush this last time.” Just last week, his widow said to me, “I don’t think Bush is a good president.”
That is a huge statement from her. I think she’s even removed the bumper stickers from her cars. Amazing.
I’m spending weekends getting ready for the 2 showers and my son’s July 8th wedding. So I don’t have lots of time for FDL comments. But I’ll be lurking as often as I can. I do know that every day, I get just a little more excited. And it has more to do with the positical landscape than the wedding. I’m counting on the FDL community, as I always do, to make me smarter and sharper.
And Christy, Jane and Pach you are my heroes.
Thank you all……
What’s Alberto Gonzalez’s story?
Grandma Jo says:
May 6th, 2006 at 8:19 am
“Can Bush do a recess appointment …His poll numbers are so in the tank, I think he is in a “What the Hell†mood anyway. Like a cornered animal, there is no telling what he will do. The whole situation is scary.”
I agree. He thinks he’s a monarch. He is also insane. He’s never had to suffer a consequence for any action he’s taken in his life. Why should there be “consequences” as late as his second term as monarch? He knows no boundaries to his behavior and will act accordingly — on mere whim. Scary as hell.
Bionic 86
Well, skull my bones, but this is so TRUE!
Methinks the operative word is fraternities.
Thank you sir, may I have another?
All Hollywood aside, and secretss be damned: if you’ve done it, you know…
christy — damn, saw a list yesterday of all the democrats who voted ‘yea’ for goss. included were schumer, feingold, reid and i thought leahy. can’t find the friggin thing now, but will keep looking and correct my post.
What’s Alberto Gonzalez’s story?
the peter principle and an absolute, unquestioned loyalty to fredo.
Morning, all – late to the party…
My Baltimore Sun reports this morning that when Negroponte told Goss he had to fire Foggo, Goss refused, and thus became the loser in that pissing contest.
Was chilled to the bone when Hayden’s name surfaced as the likely replacement. This guy must be a graduate of the George W. Bush School of Constitutionology, which explains why he probably knows less about the Constitution than an immigrant studying for citizenship. This no doubt suits the Bush administration just fine, though. Wouldn’t want someone who actually knows the law and feels compelled to follow it now, would we?
Two things worry me about this. One is that the ineptitude and incompetence of the administration may finally have broken the CIA to the point where it may have been rendered useless in the execution of its stated purpose. If Hayden is appointed, I think there will be another exodus from the agency, this time of agents and employees who will refuse to participate in the wholesale spying on Americans.
The other thing that worries me is that putting someone like Hayden into the top job, combined with departures of those with principles, and more administration-style tweaking, the end result may be an agency that resembles the KGB more than anything else.
Chilled to the bone.
Shit,I’m EPU’d
new thread
tom – Chicago:
What do you think about our new Chief Justice John Roberts possibly being an addition to your list?
Right after he got on the bench I remember Bill Maher saying “He’s our first gay Supreme Court Justice.” Not that Maher is any authority or anything, but he made a few jokes on his show about it being obvious that Roberts was gay – deeply closeted with perfect little (adopted) family and all.
I mention it because I’ll bet there are, in his past, a few anti-gay rulings from his bench.
tom-chicago #69 – I think you’re on to something here with this blackmail thing. I’ve been surprised at how BushCo has been able to twist arms so well, and get Republicans to vote their way in such numbers.
Glenn Greenwald had some statisics recently showing that Republicans voted Bush’s way over 90% of the time, even now that it’s becoming to be political suicude to do so. To achieve numbers like that the threat has to be more that just “we won’t fund your next race.”
Maybe this is the other side of the K street project. Bribe congressmen while simultaneously collecting enough dirt on them to pull their chains when you need to.
Whoops I meant #70 in my last post, not #69.
Recess – does it require unanimous consent?
[no, I’m not talking the “safe word” sort of recess/play…]
A few of my neurons seem to remember reading that the recess “declarations” (or whatever the heck they are) in Congress require unanimous consent.
This means that consensus from Democratic “leaders” would not be required. The House Dems would be irrelevant in any event (no surprise to those of us living in Pelosi’s district).
Any one of the few senators possessing a full set of vertebrae are more than enough to stop a unanimous “recess” declaration before adjournment.
Hmm – just one Senator could stop the appointment of the man who already refused to deny the NSA and domestic surveillance are used against Bush’s political opponents.
Does anyone have phone numbers for a Senator with big gonads (either flavor), and an itch to defend the Constitution they swore to uphold?
[PS - and can any of those gifted with comprehension of Senatorial rules lay out what circumstances would allow the Seantors to go off on “break” without allowing conditions for a recess appointment?]
Laura Rozen calls bullshit on this, too:
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004100.html
Anti-choicer Kay James Cole briefly ran one of the hookergate companies (MZM?) and quit after 3 weeks with no explanation. Did she find her “abstinence til marriage” buddies were practicing abstinence at home and doing it with everyone else?? I would love to know what Franklin S&L’s Larry King is currently doing in DC–that might provide crucial puzzle pieces since the GOP’s MO of “family values” is to recycle scumbags. The Franklin sex ring used Boys Town and the current head of Boys Town has been pushing Capitol Hill residents around so he can plant a Boys Town right near the Capitol for unwholesome reasons. I first heard of government Watergate hookers from my former employer, Mrs. Theodosia Beattie, whose whistleblower military attache son was demoted during the Reagan years for complaining about the State Dept.’s prominant families’ daughters working as hookers in the Watergate and Mrs. Beattie’s next door Columbia Plaza apartments. These dirty dozen tax-paid sluts were assigned to entertain visiting foreign dignitaries and their “impeccable family names” guaranteed their silence. Were they blackmailing foreign leaders? Did they also service the White House and Capitol Hill? This makes an early poster’s speculation about Laura and her twins running Hookergate hilariously plausible. More recently, during Clinton’s hearings on human radiation experiments, women testified the CIA exploited them as child prostitutes/blackmailers during the Cold War. Their targets were American officials and one looked like a grown-up Jon Benet. Keep in mind the CIA was founded by Vatican-controlled Knights of Malta and Nazi war criminals. Read “Unholy Trinity” by Marc Aarons and John Loftus for amazing details on the CIA/Vatican ratline that brought 10,000 Nazis to North America to promote Vatican “family values” (unsafe motherhood to keep pedophile priests and randy politicians supplied with fresh meat). Check out astonishing reports by Greg Szemanski. His Investigative Journal show is archived at RBN Radio, and his articles are at Arctic Beacon. His guests have reported on 100,000 US and Canadian orphans being maimed and murdered in CIA pharmaceutical experiments in Canada. His reports have lots of dirt on the CIA, Vatican and Bushes. My ex-boyfriend ran into Neil Bush at a Bangkok child brothel called The White House. “Anti-sex trafficking” Rep. Chris Smith then tried to get work for my ex. Chris Smith PROMOTES child prostitution by keeping their moms in incubating slavery. We need an international truth commission on the mother-killing, child-raping Vatican which impoverishes the world and controls politicians by secretly abetting their sexual perversions. For the Nov. elections, we must convince Catholic voters to save the US from Nazi/GOP/Vatican pedophile facsism by voting for pro-choice Dems. The ban on birth control is Nazi pedophile heresy anyway.
Did Scotty resign because of his involvement in the Wilks-gay prostitutes scandal?
Is Rove facing possilble indictment not only for the Plame Affair, but also for trading influence for a few games of PokeHim at the Watergate?
Maybe Porter, Scotty, Card, and whoever is next (Rove?) are being thrown overboard in an attempt to save the Hindenberg Administration from a gay sex scandal they know is coming.
Karmas’ a bitch.
Well, a guy can dream…
Did Fitz hold back on charging Rove because of his involvement with the Watergate sex party scandal? Maybe the USAtty’s on that case wanted him to wait.
This picture may be more in line:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img…..erback.jpg
The entire administration is in a Dusty Fog.
What’s with these comic opera names? First Scooter Libby, and now Dusty freakin’ Foggo? I’m trapped in a Gilbert & Sullivan farce!
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
Help Impeach Today – You know the drill ;)
Wouldn’t a high stakes poker game be a good way for a contractor to pass money to a Congressman or/and a CIA procurement officers in payment for services rendered? Really, this is more than a poker game.
My take (a hunch), based on Goss’ comments (or lack thereof) and his body language concerning why he is leaving CIA is that this is a deeper issue than a “mere” sex/bribery scandal – gay or otherwise. If he were linked to the Cunningham hookers, I think he would have conveyed some sense of nervousness or a bit of shame (head lowered nervously – remember Abramoff and Libby?), and probably would have tried to molify Bush and Cheney more readily by agreeing to stay on a bit longer. He also likely would have come up with some excuse for the media, rather than his “things work in strange ways” response. Seems to me he was forced out for other reasons. Could he have opposed the firing of the CIA agent who “failed?” the lie detector test (wasn’t she working on internal affairs?). Shortly after she goes, Goss goes. And, look at who is being proposed to replace Goss. Someone who has been strongly involved in (and supportive of) the spying of U.S. citizens, and a military man – Air Force indeed – now heavily Evangelical. (He looks positively S.S.) The White house (Cheney included) knowing that the Rove case is about to hit the airwaves, and fearful of the next elections, wants to tamp down both public dissent to the (planned) U.S. Iran invasion and opposition that might threaten Republican control of Congress in 2006, 2008. In addition to control of the main media, it looks like the Web and telephone communications will also be more closely monitored in the new military headed CIA. In the case of Goss, the administration needed to find something seemingly huge (a sex scandal) to connect Goss to so that no one would think to question the real issues he was asked to leave – to bring about Pentagon control of the CIA, larger scale unthwarted domestic spying, and an even stronger means of controling political opposition. Scary.
Thank you Tom – Chicago – we need to be constantly reminded of the Election Fraud that will continue to place Repub Frauds in power if we do not continue to try to stop intimidation of voters at the polls, Diebold and ES&S Blackbox voting and the other scams of the BFEE/Rovians.