
Wingnuts are a-go-go over their perception that the left is giving Patrick Kennedy a free ride on his substance abuse problems whereas Rush Limbaugh got roasted. Perhaps it's because Patrick Kennedy never said this ....
Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.
...We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country.... This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you're sorry, people go, "Oh, OK. A little contrition."... People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks.
...or this...
I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...
What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it….And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right.
...all the while he was wolfing down enough Oxycontin to tranquilize a mule team.
The right wing narrative is that Patrick Kennedy is an example of dissolute morality while Rush Limbaugh is a poor pain victim for whom we should feel pity. Patrick Kennedy's problems are that he is rich, spoiled and degenerate, and has no place in public life while Rush Limbaugh was using legal drugs, and is somehow morally superior to your common garden variety hophead.
I don't care about Patrick Kennedy checking into rehab any more than I care about Eminem or Nicole Richie or Charlie Sheen checking into rehab. Good luck to them, I hope they all become members of that very small minority who happen to beat the problem, and that includes Rush. It takes a lot of courage to publicly admit you have that particular problem and deal with it.
But Patrick Kennedy's problems aren't due to the fact that he's rich or that he's a Kennedy, except insofar as addiction problems may indeed have some sort of genetic factor; it certainly isn't the exclusive domain of the rich and the recovery rate for poor people is a whole lot worse than it is for the wealthy ones. Addiction is a great leveler. But if the right were trying to paint the rich drug addict narrative consistently, our Coke Snorter in Chief (who to the best of our knowledge has always refused to get treatment for his substance abuse problems) would be at the top of their list. I've never seen that happen, he is usually allowed to perch himself on the pity throne with Rush.
Limbaugh is being pelted not for being a hypocrite and saying those things while he was using -- addicts do that stuff all the time, they're famous for trying to cover their using with statements like the ones made by Rush. He's being pilloried because he's not recanting them now that he doesn't want them to apply to him.
He and his apologists on the right hope to keep him afloat with some phony story that draws a distinction between legal and illegal drug use. Rush was a drug gobbling pig who sent his $370 a week maid out to cop for him. He doctor shopped. He knew what he was doing was illegal and he tried to cover it up. He's spent a lifetime bashing the ACLU but wasn't afraid to go running to them when he suddenly started valuing his right to privacy, something he's also spent a good deal of wind trying to destroy for others. Rush's whole pitch is based on self-pity, deception and the demand for rights he would deny anyone else in the same situation.
But right-wing narratives don't require consistency. All they ask is that those who spout them be neither particularly bright nor much concerned with the inconsistencies of the stories they spread. And there seem to be no shortage of people running around who fit that bill.
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Rush Limba is the most despicably evil piece of shit on this planet next to Dick Cheney. And his bullshit hypocrisy on substance abuse is simply staggering. Even for him. Unlike others more compassionate, I wish him nothing but absolute ill.
I don’t get the supposed difference between Limbaugh and Kennedy that the wingers are pushing (ha) at all — Kennedy’s drugs were all perscribed/legal pain medication as well. As far as I know, Rush only embraced the “I’ve got a problem” narrative after arrest. Not unusual, to be sure, but there is no sense, like with the Addict Decider in Chief, that he ever eally believed he had a problem. Kennedy really looked like he was upset and that he had bottomed out….
Jane- great post pulling together all of the unraveling. A very important statement from you.
I used to pay attention when Franken had his ditto-head friend Mark Luther on, till I got tired of hearing him trying to weasel out of an obvious Rushism (= lie). I finally decided their brains must work differently - they hear the same words I do but the conclusions they come to are twisted 180 degrees… Crazy-making!
Sorry EPU’ed from last thread,
Re immanentize
Did you notice that Scott Shane and Elisabeth Bumiller contributed to the NYT’s article? I agree there are so many things wrong with it that it is difficult to know where to start. They seem to make a lot of a single meeting where Hayden criticized Goss but really it could just as well have been the CIA in general for trying to hold on to intelligence analysis. It sounded more like turf wars and said more about Hayden than Goss. Hayden’s intelligence credentials are played up. At the same time, the fact that he has never run agents in the field and has zero experience doing so is played down. Even here the point was only made in passing that most covert operations are and are going to be run out of the DOD. So the question that should have been asked and wasn’t is why have a CIA any longer at all. After the FEMA fiasco, downgrading, reorganizing, and restaffing a major government agency seems a recipe for yet another Bush led disaster.
There’s a great diary at Daily Kos written by a female attorney:
Patrick Kennedy and me
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/6/16759/19425
There, but for the grace of the God(s)…..
Hugh, I replied last thread….
Oh, minor note: alcohol is legal, and Coors gets their share of the $$$. Maybe OT, bec. I’m still not sure what drugs PK was supposed to have been using. Alcohol certainly was implied in the comebacks.
I’m totally in agreement with sharkbabe. It’s the utter hypocrisy of that piece of slime that evokes only contempt from me! I have a friend whose son became addicted to crack cocaine–grew up with my daughter and a very nice kid. It’s the saddest thing in the world to me. The addiction is horrible. Extremely difficult to overcome. My friend’s son is now in prison again, after having been through a number of rehabs and seemingly getting his life back. But then–he used and was arrested. He didn’t hurt anyone but his sad self.
Reagan criminalized illness.
“But right-wing narratives don’t require consistency.”
Precisely. That’s why there’s no point in arguing with Republicans in a rational fashion.
Rationality is an impediment to their lust for power and control.
They must be destroyed. Torn apart, limb from limb.
By any means necessary.
You’ve summed it up pretty well, Jane, except that the fact that he was a mean little hypocrite in the first place doesn’t help us sympathize with him, either.
Personally, I wouldn’t wish drug addiction on anyone, but if there’s such a thing as karma then a ton of it fell on Rush’s back.
Let us not forget that Bush is the first “president” ever in U.S. history to be CONVICTED of drunk driving.
Rich assholes like Rush whose entire being and fortune are based on lies and cynical manipulation of fellow humans’ honest emotion - they are a zillion miles from the humility and true self-examination that true recovery rests upon.
Rush won’t even acknowledge he was arrested. He’s still an addict, living lie after lie. I seriously doubt he’ll be able to keep to the pee-in-a-cup regimen he’s got.
mudkitty - Bush AND Dickhead. What did Cheney have, like three?
Sharkbabe- What kind of music does your band play. Can you post a “linky”?
EPU’d. Damn it.
Rush is infuriating, that’s for sure. A modern day P.T. Barnum. A constant reminder of how easily the stupid, the bigoted and the closeted are to fleece.
I am bouyed by the fact that O’Reilly has lost almost 2/3 of his 25-54 audience over the past 8 months. I hold on to the faith that people inherently want better than the simplistic tripe they have been fed from these grandiose, self-enriching bastards.
I also can’t help feel that everyone, except the backwash, knows that the “base” are looney at this point. They got their wish, power at any price, and look where it got them.
I pity them. I pray for them. Truly pathetic.
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Another great post Jane. How do you keep your intensity level so high? Do you ever feel like “It’s time to feed the animals” before you write a post?
BTW, there is an excellent book, classic prob. An Unquiet Mind : A Memoir of Moods and Madness by Kay Redfield Jamison. http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....62-9602541
=== As a founder of UCLA’s Affective Disorder Clinic and a co-author of a standard medical text, Dr. Kay Redfield Jamison may be the foremost authority on manic-depressive illness. She is also one of its survivors. And it is this dual perspective — as healer and healed — that makes Jamison’s memoir so lucid, learned, and profoundly affecting.
Even as she was pursuing her psychiatric training, Jamison found herself succumbing to the exhilarating highs and paralyzing lows that afflicted many of her patients. Though the disorder brought her seemingly boundless energy and mercurial creativity, it also propelled her into spending sprees, episodes of violence, and an attempt at suicide.
Powerfully candid, exceptionally wise, An Unquiet Mind is one of those rare books that has the power to transform lives — and even save them.
===
1. The breathylizer machine is accurate to .03. According to the police reports published on the web, Our Beloved Leader blew a .11. That means that if he had had a competent expert and decent counsel, his highest proveable score would have been .08, i. e., impaired. But that was at the police station, some 45 minutes to an hour after the actual driving. The reason the police wait that long to administer the test is that your score peaks about an hour after you stop drinking. (Peaking is a function of withdrawal.) That means, and I realize you need a decent expert to prove this, that his actual score when he was driving was less than .08. Which means he was not guilty of impaired driving either.
2. The police in towns like Kennebunkport, Maine, are not employed to hassle the children of the rich and famous. They’re employed to keep people like us from hassling the rich and famous. Cops in towns like that make flaky busts every night. But not when it comes to the rich and famous or their children. Cops in towns like Kennebunkport are about as quick on the draw with the children of the rich and famous as Capital Police command officers are with members of Congress. You’ve got to believe they knew the car. They didn’t stop that car for crossing the yellow line or weaving within the lane. No chief of police in Kennebunkport is going to be comfortable with that kind of a bust unless his doing his Officer Friendly number.
3. Our Beloved leader pled on the nose. Clearly, Our Beloved Leader did not want a public trial on this alleged drunk driving.
It’s amazing that they can pack that much asshole into one man.
I’ve been EPU’ed. Late to the party as usual. I just hope I can uphold my track record when my time is up. ;-)
#25
I’m an asshole. How dare you associate me with something I regularly reject.
The context of my previous comment might not have been clear. Kennedy suffers from bipolar disorder or manic-depressive illness.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....nnedy.html
===As a high school senior, the congressman was treated at a drug rehabilitation clinic before he went to Providence College. He has said he wants to end the stigma of mental health problems, and he has been praised by mental health professionals for being open about his struggles with depression, alcoholism and substance abuse. He has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.===
Jesus had his pharisees. Dante had his usurers. And we have our Rush Limbaugh’s and the Republican Party. Damn the hypocrites, not for who they are, but for what they piously say they are not, and are. It is a most un-devine comedy. Gore for me in ‘08.
Jane,
This is a magnificent post. Thank you.
everything 19 - my band is an all dyke cover band, 60s through 00s, called the Outskirts. much of our success and brilliance (aside from me on bass) is owed to guitarist and vocalist Pauline Dross, who is the most astonishing talent in both realms I’ve ever beheld or worked with. We’ve played for about five years and are breaking up at last this june. Our website which has always been fairly lame is outskirtsoftown.com.
Rush’s apparent inability to come clean and be honest do not bode well for his pee bargain.
Recovery from alcohol and drug addiction is predicated on
1.honesty about the situation,
2.openess to discuss one’s addiction and the part it has played in one’s life and,
3.willingness to change the behaviours that keep the addiction in place.
Rush’s honesty, openess, and willingness will certainly be tested in the next 18 months. He doesn’t appear to be off to a good start though…
Valley Girl, an Unquiet Mind by Jamison is an excellent book! I used pieces of it in a collection of essays of my own because of her wonderful metaphors for describing her experience. It’s a book I’ve recommended to people who are either bi-polar (a term Jamison dislikes) or are caring for others suffering from the illness. Many I know have found her narrative and analysis immensely helpful.
Thanks for the hypocracy reminder Jane.
Rush doesn’t seem to effect real politcal discourse in this country. At best he provides vocalization lessons to the Neanderthal’s who imitate his grunting. Keeps the deep
lydebasedhappy.[JANE — left you a note at the end of the thread two posts back.]
In re: Patrick Kennedy — I trust the folks on the right so very fricking little that I think there was more going on here than meets the eye. Let’s say somebody had a hint that something nasty was about to happen, and that somebody also has access to intelligence about EVERYBODY, including political opposition. What would you do if you were that somebody and you had the power to take action but no ethical compunctions to stop you?
Hmmm.
Valley Girl - Jamison’s book was excellent, and she has done and continues to do great work in educating medical professionals about mental illness. Unlike Rush, who could have used the power of his radio platform to educate the teeny tiny little minds he panders to, which might have helped his own recovery in the process.
Addiction is a terrible thing, and I do not take any solace or relish in the pain and chaos that envelopes addicts. I have a hard time with the person who, knowing his own pain, and knowing that addiction cuts across all racial, ethnic and social classes, would use his position to foster the myths and stigmas that others are working so hard to dispel. Maybe that’s an indication of how much hate a person like that has for himself, and how deep the sickness.
But perhaps we can also infer something about the basic goodness of someone who chooses not to hide and not to stonewall, and who takes responsibility for his own actions, and makes no excuses.
In contrasting Limbaugh with Kennedy, I couldn’t help thinking about Cheney; maybe he doesn’t have a substance abuse problem, as much as he has a power abuse problem. His response to the situation he was in bears a remarkable similarity to that of someone still in denial - this is not a man who intends to stop abusing his power. And why should he, as long as no one will hold him accountable.
dana! are you willing to give a link to your own essays, if they are published? The Jamison book was first brought to my attention by a dear friend who thought that she had a “touch” of manic-depressive about her. Another friend of the same group almost wrecked his life and academic life before college friends intervened. It is condition more common amongst creative and driven people than most realize.
Patrick Kennedy is headed to the Mayo Clinic–wasn’t it a Mayo neurologist who vouched for Terri Schiavo’s alertness, following hot on the heels of Frist’s distant diagnosis? Kennedy says he knows he needs expert help–but is there truly expertise when it comes to addiction? I know so many people who have gone to rehab and nada or friends who have gone for counseling/psychotherapy and nada–the experts were not all that expert. Humility seems to be in order here. Watching a psychologist testify as an expert in court can disabuse anybody of the notion that the helping professions can and do help.
Anne- thanks for your insightful comment.
I heard that Patrick Kennedy took Ambien(which seems to have had reports of similar instances of sleep driving and sleep eating as what he described)and some other prescription drug for nausea. But Patrick Kennedy is also fighting an additional demon, one that affects judgment, since he is bipolar. Obviously he’s a talented politician, but the guy has a lot on his plate.
I saw Hardball last night when they did their “Hotshots.” They asked Tucker Carlson whether he thought Patrick Kennedy got special treatment because they didn’t do a breathilizer test on the spot, and wound up driving him home. Of course Carlson went on about what a slime ball he thinks Kennedy is, a really unpleasant person, but of course he’s getting special treatment. Next they asked Joe Scarborough, and I have to give him credit although I usually don’t agree with him. He said that he thinks not only is Patrick Kennedy one of the nicest guys in the House, but he thinks if the same had happened to Joe when he was a Congressman, they would not only have driven him home, but we probably wouldn’t be talking about the incident the next day. He said that Congressmen are treated specially everyday, but he thinks that Kennedy’s name worked against him in this situation. I thought it was decent of him to take that position publicly.
David (#13):
we don’t do that stuff here. not kosher.
wondering- wrong, I think, to generalize from one person at Mayo who was involved in the Schiavo case to the entirely of the Mayo Clinic. They have an excellent reputation in toto. My view is that Kennedy’s underlying problem is manic-depressive illness, and the addictions follow on from this.
An unquiet Mind. Thanks for that VG, I will get that for my daughter. She is truly brilliant and phenomenally gifted artistically, but the price is quite high. As an aside, “one slipped passed the goalie” and the “domino” effect will make me a grampa. ;P
One aspect of this Patrick Kennedy story that troubles me is the medications that have been mentioned that he was on. He had a past history of drug addiction and alcohol dependence. Yet he was on Ambien. Well, maybe, but if there were even a hint that he was still using or drinking this should have not happened. I never saw how long he had been on Ambien but it was probably for a while. Usually if someone is going to have an idiosyncratic reaction to a medication it is early on.
On top of this, he was given phenergan for “stomach flu”. Phenergan is an anti emetic (keeps you from vomiting). This was the new medication. Given that he was a recovering addict, already on Ambien, it was just stupid to give him phenergan for symptomatic relief without close supervision.
Now Ambien can cause gastric symptoms either by taking it or stopping it. I don’t know if this has anything to do with Patrick Kennedy’s symptoms or not. OTOH, both Ambien and phenergan are sedative hypnotics (they calm and make you drowsy) although this is not their primary indication. Alcohol amplifies their effects (and again there is dispute about whether alcohol was involved). Patrick Kennedy said he had not been drinking but he also said that he had no memory of the incident and he is a recovering addict so you have to take what he says with a grain or two of salt.
So my question is who was the idiot who prescribed this stuff for him and then failed to monitor properly its use?
Among the many disgusting things about Frat-Boy-Cheerleader-in-Chief-Decider is trying to imagine him on coke and/or drunk. What a horror show.
Valley Girl–Jamison’s book is wonderful as is her Touched By Fire, which relates the stories of artists/musicians/writers who suffered manic depressive illness and still created magical stuff. What I meant to say is that not all professionals are Jamison and not all patients are lucky enough to work with someone like her–probably even at the Mayo Clinic. Which is what I meant–a statement of sadness not accusation.
That’s rad Sharkbabe
Oilfieldguy- you are most welcome. And, in case anyone/ someone didn’t get your snark, I would like to correct the impression you *might* have left, by your own statement earlier, that you are an asshole. Most def. not.
wondering- thanks for the clarification. Much agreed. Got it.
Yeah! What sharkbabe #4 said. Rush is my #2 lying asshole.
Ralphie Reed is #1. He gets the #1 because he’s got such a cute face. But Ralphie’s features are starting to meeelllt.
“…all the while he was wolfing down enough Oxycontin to tranquilize a mule team.
The right wing narrative is that Patrick Kennedy is an example of dissolute morality while Rush Limbaugh is a poor pain victim for whom we should feel pity.”
I’ve got to wonder about Rush’s alleged “severe chronic back pain” when cable news showed clips of him playing golf a couple of week ago. Golf??? That’s harder on a persons back than anything else I can imagine.
Oxycontin has its benefits for those that need it. Like a friend of mine that’s had back surgery three times with no relief or improvement. As a direct result of Rush, few doctors will prescribe it anymore (I’m told). Thanks, Rush.
Valley Girl @ 7:10 pm (#28) - I did a little web surfing about Ambien. The “official” website’s “important information” paper mentions that some sleep medications can induce suicidal thoughts. Is this a good thing for someone who’s bipolar to be taking? (I’m not asking for medical advice - I’m just curious).
VG #48
Yes the point was that an asshole serves a useful function. Rush does not unless it is the hapless Bernstein Bear daddy sorta way.
I saw a reference to manic-depression–aka bipolar affective disorder–and I wanted to pass along a link to this very useful website for those who are bipolar or who have friends or family so affected.
Rush Limbaugh is a pumpkinheaded, pill-poppin’, hate mongering, son of a bitch. Other than that…I have nothing against him. You would think somehow that someone who almost went deaf - remember that one? - and dodged a bullet on this doctor shopping rap due to his $$$$, would become humbled. Not this mother fucker! He is the GOP. Sorry I got off on a rant there…but…I feel better now.
That’s a redundancy. However the “chronic back pain” is a little above the mark.
A pain in the ass has a pain in the ass. Wasn’t that his medical deferment too?
Sharkbabe- It’s too bad the band is breaking up, I’m sure you rocked.
Wondering #38
One instance of special treatment wrt Patrick Kennedy is that he can on a moment’s notice go to the Mayo Clinic for rehab. It is good that he can but most Americans could not and those that have sufficient insurance and could would probably have to wait a lot longer and need a referral.
Also if he is going for rehab, this is an indication that he did not have simply a bad reaction or recurrence of his underlying depression but that use of drugs (prescription, street, alcohol) was involved.
VG (#37)–I’m the editor of the collection. The focus is on the role of metaphor as a means of constructing theory and on the interplay of metaphor and culture. One chapter is devoted to illness. Besides Jamison, Suzanna Kaysen, novelist, has a memoir (and wasn’t it also a movie?), Girl, Interrupted, which is a fascinating account of her diagnosis and treatment for “borderline personality disorder,” in which she makes a case that some disorders may be seen as a clinical metaphor for “unwanted conduct.” She focuses too on issues of gender.
In academe, there are quite a few people who suffer from manic-depression, depression, and especially obsessive-compulsive disorder. In cases of ocd, it’s funny, but not, really, that many academics got where they are by being compulsive and obsessive in their research. It’s a virtue until it goes too far and bites you in the ass. Several of my colleagues take medication for it.
Cujo359- not an expert, so I can’t say. However, Hugh’s post at #44 touches on this issue, and ends with: So my question is who was the idiot who prescribed this stuff for him and then failed to monitor properly its use?. Sounds like a pretty good question to me, even as a non-expert!
Oilfieldguy:
“unless it is the hapless Bernstein Bear daddy sorta way.”
I am clueless. What does that mean?
BTW I was down in OK the past 2 days for a wedding. Only a few miles from where bush was speaking at Okie State this morning, but managed to avoid encountering him and his security detail. How is the media playing his speech today?
VG
The rest of my comment at #43 was in code and directed toward your further education on street lingo. This is material we have covered. Sabe?
#61
The Bernstein Bears were childrens books that taught lessons by the holding up the hapless father up as a bad example.
I heard someone on TV recently - I think it was a journalist - say that hypocrisy in Washington goes unnoticed and that trying to call a someone on it is not something that’s going to get any traction.
That, to me, was an amazing statement. Not untrue, just unbelievable! Here we are jumping up and down at the rampant hypocrisy of the right wing and everybody in politics and the MSM is completely la-di-da about it because it is so common as to be “normal” - no big deal.
So our biting moral outrage is completely lost on these people - we seem shrill and critical to them, nitpicking about all the big and little lies, the duplicity, the double standards - because to them the lying is not a moral or ethical matter (as is gasp! gay marriage or stem cell research), it’s just what people do all day every day to get what they want.
And the seriousness of Rush’s hypocrisy is completely lost on these people, the same way the right wing constantly ridicules the “Bush lied” meme - not because it’s not true - most of them know it is (the ones who can think, I mean) - but because it just doesn’t matter. Bush “needed” to take the country to war, so he did what he needed to do to get there - now get over it people! But let a liberal object to drilling in the Alaskan wilderness and they cry “hypocrisy!” After all, liberals drive cars, don’t they?
Well well well, now that I’ve taken all this space to try to think my way through it, I realize it just comes down to the same old thing - “us versus them.” If they do it it’s right, if we do it it’s wrong. Never mind…
Hugh @ 7:53 pm (#58) - He probably got a push to the front of the line, but he’s also clearly had this problem for a while. He was just in an accident three weeks ago.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....pat06.html
Hugh–And what if the idiot prescribing for Patrick K. is a Mayo practitioner? I, and too many other parents of children with severe mental illness, have all too frequently, commonly, traditionally been very ill served by psychiatrists, if at all.
Incidenatlly, what’s up with this guy that’s submerged in water? Where does he shit?
Sorry, sometimes my references are cryptic. Sorta like payback for IIRC, EPU, ROFLMAO, etc.
OT–Headline in WaPo: Reports of Impotence on Campuses Increasing
#64
Welcome to the Gestalt netroots.
Hugh @ 44,
I think what you’re not factoring in is the effects of being bipolar. Many bipolar people do a lot of self-medicating starting their own regimen on street drugs early on. Even when they are diagnosed, they are given a cocktail of several different psychotropic drugs to try to regulate their moods. When I met the man I’m involved with, he was on five psychotropic drugs. He was interesting, intelligent, amiable and he liked animals. He owned a nice house with a pool, and you could tell he was used to the better things in life. He never tried to keep his illness a secret, but I have been around him for three years and I know more fully what he’s been dealing with. While they were trying to balance their particular right blend of drugs for him, he told me that he attempted suicide six times in one year. He still drinks way too much, and still feels compulsions that he can’t seem to shake. My feeling is that it’s quite a wild ride, and also quite a heavy burden.
By the way, did I mention that he’s also a veteran of Viet Nam. He was a Captain. Now he has post traumatic stress disorder.
VG,
“So my question is who was the idiot who prescribed this stuff for him and then failed to monitor properly its use?.”
Any ethical doctor monitored Oxycontin usage pre Rush. Off/On, mix it up, etc. from what I understand. No blank check for it in other words.
Scattered thoughts:
By definition, regardless of the amounts involved or the length of time used, there is no addiction if a patient is using pain medications for the treatment of pain and is so supervised. Pain management is a tricky issue in medicine and yes, these kinds of incidents may make some physicians undertreat pain, a tendency they have anyway.
Most people who take opiates for long periods of time appropriately or inappropriately will become habituated and require higher dosing.
I do not know if Patrick Kennedy has ever been officially diagnosed as bipolar. I have heard he has struggled with depression. You can buy a bipolar diagnosis with a single episode of mania (without any depression). OTOH, depression on its own does not equate to a bipolar condition. That said, the differences and the definitions have been softening between the two.
I wonder how ratings and sponsors are treating Rush. Never heard the name Ralphie Reed or Air America, except here. Only get a couple of radio stations out in these schticks.
Is Kennedy going to lose his sleep err seat anyone?
dana- thanks for the further info. Without going into detail, my own experience agrees. I have a colleague who has made my life totally miserable. Others who are not so closely affected quite blithely toss off the diagnosis that he is bipolar, and that on his bad days “he has not taken his meds”. As far as I know, meds for bipolar don’t have a day-to-day effect (on one day, off the other), so I don’t buy this. I think he’s brilliantly Machievellian (sp?) nasty. Anyway, I agree on the general point that there is mental illnes among academe! I can’t remember just now the name for one of the “more popular” afflictions that was recently the talk of “why academics are so socially inept”, but that did fit my torturer. Again, I will probably remember after I post my comment. Something like ???? syndrome. Sorry, a bit of a ramble, here.
Neil Young on World Cafe on NPR. Wow.
Dana- Asperger’s syndrome
everhopeful @ 7:57 pm (#64) - I guess that old newspaper cliche sums it up - “‘Dog bites man’, that’s not news. ‘Man bites dog’, that’s news!”
I wish it weren’t so, but it does seem to be.
Coz- Hugh’s rhetorical question was re: Kennedy, if I understood it. Not sure what you mean, Kennedy or Rush? Cryptic you.
The Downing Street Memo was treated with a collective yawn. “We know they are dickhead liars, where’s the news in that?”
That’s a metaphorical quote by the way.
Oilfieldguy wrote Sorta like payback for IIRC, EPU, ROFLMAO, etc.
It took me a long time to figure out IOKIYAR.
I’m sorry Jane, I just wonder all over the place.
Phil #81
I’m generally pretty good at those things. I larned myself to reed when I was 4 or 5 with Dr Seuss. Sorta like breaking a code.
??? IOKIYAR = It’s OK if you are Repug ???
or if you are Rush
wondering #66
I sympathize. Patrick Kennedy said he had stomach flu. He would not have gone to Mayo to have something like that treated and phenergan is not the kind of drug that would be used long term except under very special circumstances (some cancer patients, for example).
In general, it is extremely unwise to medicate someone with his history casually.
Ambien and phenergan were the only two medications he mentioned taking. If he was taking others for a bipolar disorder, it would just increase the need for close monitoring. If he was being noncompliant (drinking), even more so.
I was going to say what Sharkbabe said in # 4. No point in repeating it, unless I see Rush in person and I want to ruffle his feathers a tad. I’d like things to end up in a nosebleed and a lot of tears from Rush. An apology - to me and to the world - would be a nice jesture also.
VG,
“Coz- Hugh’s rhetorical question was re: Kennedy, if I understood it. Not sure what you mean, Kennedy or Rush? Cryptic you.”
Rush. I didn’t know I was being cryptic, this time LOL
Eureka Springs, AR,
“I wonder how ratings and sponsors are treating Rush.”
One of his biggest sponsors is Zicam (an Arizona company by the way). Due to a “permanent injunction”, in the words of Rove, I’ve “already said too much” ; )
VG–yeah, Asperger’s syndrome. Also, how about just varying degrees of narcissism? I sympathize with you regarding the “nasty” colleague–there are pleny of those types, and probably not concentrated in higher ed. But man, the narcissists. You are as good as the last compliment you gave him/her. The derailing that goes on–arrrggh! I remember your preparation for tenure. One such nasty guy tried to ruin things for me the year before I came up. Thankfully, he had such low credibility that he had no impact. Still, it was a horrible experience.
Rush needs to be prescribed high colonics on every day that ends in “y” cause everybody knows he’s fulla shit.
LeisureGuy @ 54
Thanks for the link. I appreciate it.
everything 57 - thanks. yeah we did/do rock, & have/had such an interesting following - lots of straight redneck guys, middle age dads bringing their wifes & kids, along with the girls. But I won’t miss the grueling schedule, as many as 10 weekends solid in a row, driving home 3:30 am, schlepping equipment - plus day job - no life! Killed two r’ships! But the playing itself, worth everything, endlessly energizing, just is.
IOKIYAR*, bitches! It’s as simple as that.
*It’s Okay If You’re A Republican
BTW, the second rule is “it’s Clinton’s fault.”
Psychiatrists like to say that mood disorders (schizophrenia, depression, bipolar) are something you have. Personality disorders are who you are and consequently, much harder to treat.
They also say that having the trait doesn’t mean you have the disease for any of you who read a list of symptoms and say, hey that sounds like me!
Zicam nasal spray? Sounds like a dope pushing probation violation to me.
Kitt, I wish I wasn’t too nice a gal and buddhist to just kick the heck out of him every way I could if I saw him in person. Some people just deserve to be totally physically smacked to all hell.
Analogous to Colbert. “Polite society” clutching its pearls while an actual intelligent angry human speaks forthrightly to fat pig war criminal destroyers of our nation, oh my!
Hugh, (#94) I’ve heard that too. I know at least three psychologists who rarely treat people who are seriously narcissistic. One of the problems, I think, is that it’s so hard to like ‘em. But the other is that personality disorders are just damn hard to do much about.
Dana! The good thing about academia is getting tenure. I wish I could remember the particular book that discussed this dichotomy- one of those “feminist tomes” I read about 18 years ago, that described men in the liberal arts as being more male/female balanced vs. those in the sciences (totally clueless). Obviously a brief summary. Made me somewhat envious of women in the liberal arts depts. Except of course Eng. Lit., which has a reputation around here at least of being hard going for women, to say the least. At least scientists tend to cut to the chase in discussions at faculty meetings. That is a plus!
Eureka Springs, AR,
http://www.superiorcourt.maric.....002-023934
VG–Tenure is the good thing. I’d put my head through concrete before giving it up. Re: English Departments & Science, I don’t know. I’ve seen both types in both arenas. I once suggested at a meeting with some scientists engaged in a hiring search that there may be an ever-so-slight unconscious bias against female candidates (we were addressing gender balance there), and wow! They were pretty damn angry at me for awhile. Think I hit a nerve.
‘Wanna buy some Mandies, Rush?… They’ll let ya moonwalk the perp walk.’
;>)
Porter Goss, speaking at the commencement at Tiffin University:
Goss told the graduating students that if he were addressing a graduating class of CIA case officers, he would advise them, “Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counteraccusations.”
A true republican - can’t figure out why the chimp fired him.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....ement.html
In my experience, drunks and depressives are the smartest and most sensitive people every time.
Facing and dealing with the self-harm in whatever way - only adds to the depth and beauty.
I really am sorry for the Rushes. Delusional monied truly sad fucks in the cosmic scheme of things.
dana- haha head through concrete. Know that feeling. I think the hiring stuff, while certainly a problem that is very serious, and I applaud your “suggestion”, the bigger problem that I see is what happens to females in the sciences once they are hired. That is where the old boy network bathroom conversations sports talk bonding never notice you are here kinda thing comes into play.
sharkbabe, thanks. ;)
fuck rush limbaugh. i hope that fat fucking pig is caught doped to the gills with a male hooker that sends his fat ass to jail.
while that pig whines, kristof had an interesting comparison to someone now spending the next 25 years in prison for his efforts at pain relief:
A Taste of His Own Medicine
By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: May 6, 2006
Now that Rush Limbaugh has managed to keep himself out of prison, the punishment he once advocated for drug abusers, let me suggest a new cause for him: speaking out for people who can handle their OxyContin.
Like Limbaugh, Richard Paey suffers from back pain, which in his case is so severe that he’s confined to a wheelchair. Also like Limbaugh, he was accused of illegally obtaining large quantities of painkillers. Although there was no evidence that either man sold drugs illegally, the authorities in Florida zealously pursued each of them for years.
Unlike Limbaugh, Paey went to prison. Now 47 years old, he’s serving the third year of a 25-year term. His wife told me that when he heard how Limbaugh settled his case last week by agreeing to pay $30,000 and submit to drug tests Paey offered a simple explanation: “The wealthy and influential go to rehab, while the poor and powerless go to prison.”
He has a point, although I don’t think that’s the crucial distinction between the cases. Paey stood up for his belief that patients in pain should be able to get the medicine they need. Limbaugh so far hasn’t stood up for any consistent principle except his right to stay out of jail.
He has portrayed himself as the victim of a politically opportunistic prosecutor determined to bag a high-profile trophy, which is probably true. But that’s standard operating procedure in the drug war supported by Limbaugh and his fellow conservatives.
http://www.pekingduck.org/arch.....php#003694
Oh, and add enabled Chimpy to that. Sad little thing in own weird little world.
Who’s gonna go Fitz the new thread?
Dana, VG,
In my experience, true what you say about the prevalence of various psych disorders in academia … I spent 8+ years getting a PhD in engineering, intending to teach, but could no longer stand it by the time I finished … my adviser was one of those (apparently) bi-polar types, a real user of other people as well.
I would have been good at teaching — did it for a while at a juco — but I found something else to do. Lot’s more like me, just couldn’t stand the academic meat grinder.
If we’re going to talk about lies and deceit, then I think we need to go all the way back to the Fall of 2000. Bush never has been and never will be “the president”, and every time I hear the phrase “President Bush” I want to throw someone through a wall. The only reason he’s in office is because we were all too polite to toss him and the rest of the bums out back when they illegally marched into the White House and started throwing their weight around.