
Digby finds a telling quote (or lack thereof, to be accurate) from the National Press Club appearance by Cheney-promoted "front runner" Goss replacement candidate Gen. Michael Hayden:
Gen. Michael Hayden refused to answer question about spying on political enemies at National Press Club. At a public appearance, Bush’s pointman in the Office of National Intelligence was asked if the NSA was wiretapping Bush’s political enemies. When Hayden dodged the question, the questioner repeated, "No, I asked, are you targeting us and people who politically oppose the Bush government, the Bush administration? Not a fishing net, but are you targeting specifically political opponents of the Bush administration?" Hayden looked at the questioner, and after a silence called on a different questioner. (Hayden National Press Club remarks, 1/23/06)
Interesting, eh? THIS is the man that they are floating out as the heir apparent for the DCI job?
I don’t know about everyone else, but if Rover and the WH are working this hard to push some sort of internecine battle storyline between the Cheney and Negroponte camps and the CIA insider factions — you have to wonder just how much there is to the Dusty Foggo/Porter Goss poker and hooker escort extravaganza, don’t you? (See Jane’s excellent recap on this, if you have questions.) No one works the DC phones this hard unless they are trying to spin the story away from something else. And I say that something else isn’t just some late-night poker.
Still waiting for an answer on that "why an immediate resignation instead of several weeks notice in order for the President to name a successor and ensure a smooth transition" question? Big ego battle isn’t enough of a reason.
Looks like Tony Snow can expect a fun first day at the office. *snerk*
UPDATE: Mwahahaha. Dana Priest’s hyped article on Goss’ firing by Negroponte because Bush was too much of a weenie to do it himself "resignation" was a bit of a letdown. But this cracked me up as a snarky inclusion:
Foreign intelligence heads, who used to spend hours with Goss’s predecessor, George J. Tenet, discussing strategy and tactics, are now more likely to meet with the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, whose position was created in the overhaul of U.S. intelligence agencies.
One senior European counterterrorism official, asked recently for his assessment of Goss’s leadership, responded by saying, "Who?"
Goss, then the Republican chairman of the House intelligence panel, was handpicked by the White House to purge what some in the administration viewed as a cabal of wily spies working to oppose administration policy in Iraq. "He came in to clean up without knowing what he was going to clean up," one former intelligence official said.
Goss’s counterinsurgency campaign was so crudely executed by his top lieutenants, some of them former congressional staffers, that they drove out senior and mid-level civil servants who were unwilling to accept the accusation that their actions were politically motivated, some intelligence officers and outside experts said.
"The agency was never at war with the White House," contended Gary Berntsen, a former operations officer and self-described Republican and Bush supporter who retired in June 2005. "Eighty-five percent of them are Republicans. The CIA was a convenient scapegoat."
I’d say Dana Priest and her sources are taking a bit of a vengeful whack at Goss on his way out the door. Mwee hee. Revenge may be a dish best served cold, but sometimes a warm little appetizer can be pretty damn tasty.
UPDATE #2: In re-reading the Priest article, one thing did strike me near the end — the Rumsfeld/Negroponte struggle to the death-match for autonomy or control on the defense end of the intel services. When you couple that with the Cheney push for Hayden, does anyone else get the sense that Rummy may be winning that battle? And, given his stellar track record with Iraq planning, I’m not exactly feeling any safer in that context.
(Hat tip to reader bkny for the Digby link.)




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Fitz!
2nd Fitz!
fitz, fitz, fitz, and fitz; moreover, fitz!
Good morning, all. I am not usually up at this time, but reading about Gay Republicans makes me afraid to go back to bed… nightmares, you know!
(and I am a card-carrying what sharkbabe is… just so you know, it’s not the Gay part that scares me!)
jacrat — I hear you. Some images are just not worth the imagining. Ergh.
Conflicting sources say that Goss ejection was due to turf battle with Negro-deathsquads-Ponte, others say there is a connection to the Foggo-Escortgate story.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..foggo.html
OT.
Another narrative of the UK chopper downing in Basra. Looks like the Brits are wearing thin in Shiite Central.
http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/z…..24693.aspx
-GSD
This is just the kind of juicy story I want to email around, and I’m selective. Really. I don’t send everything. But no one even responds any longer. The American people just don’t seem to give a rat’s ass about what’s going on in Washington. And my friends aren’t stupid but they don’t seem to give a shit either. WAHHH!
Thank GOD for FDL. And I’ll be making myself a “EPU’d on FDL” Tshirt before Spring is over. I think I’ll put, “2nd Fitz!” on the back too, since that’s as near as I’ve gotten to #1.
Anyone know the Sunday talk show line-up and whether Goss will be the hot topic, over say, the latest tortured Kennedy soul.
Something tells me this is the calm before the storm. If the investigations are leading directly to the WH (again) and the top of the CIA, Bush is likely to do anything to hold on to power.
If that means installing someone like Hayden to do his spying and bidding, we’re gonna be in for a wild and wooly summer.
Yes, Porter Goss did great harm to the CIA. But it might also be true that he was told to fire Foggo and Goss refused. Bush can’t tolerate dissent, so that may have speeded things up and ensured his replacement would be a complete toady.
Can we please get some grown ups back in DC to do these critically important jobs?
OT.
An interesting quick read on the recent Zarqawi video and US military attempts at ridicule.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..mp;emc=rss
-GSD
THIS is the man that they are floating out as the heir apparant for the DCI job?
Redd, I think they’re in wtf,-let’s-just-go-for-it mode. More brazen by the day. No, make that hour.
And we’ve been bantering about all the repuke Sons of J. Edgar – but I bet it’s at the very heart of Fornigate.
Sharkbabe #11, that’s exactly what I was getting at. There’s a bad tension in the air, emanating from DC. I don’t like it.
Spelling police – “heir apparant” s/b “apparent”. :)
OT-sorry
A former White House and FBI staffer pleaded guilty Thursday to passing classified information to plotters he said were trying to overthrow Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.
During a federal court hearing, the former intelligence analyst, Leandro Aragoncillo, outlined five years of efforts to pass the information.
Seattle Times
Does anyone else think this is more important than a congressman scaping his bumper and going into rehab? Where the hell are the MSM priorities? (That was rhetorical.)
A spy in the White House pleads guilty, and no one notices. It was big news when he was arrested, even on the teebee. So WTF?
Christy and Jane
O/T but very important. I’ve spent a little time today checking out something about Firedoglake and I was shocked. As in gobsmacked surprised. I hate to think how big your bandwidth bill is for a site with as many visitors as this it’d be high.
A huge amount of this is your graphics which aren’t optimised for web usage.
The image on this posting haydenbushnegro.jpg is 77.14Kb which means in fact 78Kb. I’ve just copied it into my incredibly ancient and primitive version of Image Composer a freebie from Microsoft dating back to 1997 and it gives me the option of saving it without a discernible loss of quality at:
45Kb
28kb (a tiny loss of quality and you really have to be staring at it to notice)
19Kb (Ok you notice at this point but its still a clear image)
or last:
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Most of your bandwidth bill and most of the repsonse time is because of your unoptimised graphics. I’m really embarassed that I never noticed this I’ve been around on the net since it was DARPANET and JANET (yes I’m that old) For goodness sake cut your bills drastically by going to http://www.nonags.com downloading and experimenting with a few of the free thumbnail creators/image optimisers. You’ll cut your bandwidth bill massively and drastically speed up FDL for people on less than blazingly fast connections.
Both of you have my email addy so if you need further info for goodness sake get in touch I’ll be more than glad to help.
OtherWA – ayup. Me neither.
And Sharon 7 – I know zackly how you feel, the pain AND the relief…
“Can we please get some grown ups back in DC to do these critically important jobs?”
Only if the Dems grow a spine between now and the hearings on Hayden. I guess Shrub scoured the administration to name somebody as insane as himself to this post. (Probably was a short search.)
I wonder if they had a more graceful exit planned for Porty, but they had to rush it because some press person (Dana Priest, maybe) was about to spill the beans and they wanted to beat her to it?
OT.
Minority Leader Pelosi on building a strategy. Says the Dems have been using the internet to get information out to the people. More plans on the way.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0506.html
-GSD
Oh, and Rawstory is back up.
-GSD
PS: nonags.com only does windows software but perhaps siun who is a mac user could help you out if you’ve a mac.
christy — to correct my earlier post re leahy — oy. i’m embarrassed to say it should have referenced jay rockefeller. what can i say, they all kind of blend together….
“Bush’s pointman in the Office of National Intelligence was asked if the NSA was wiretapping Bush’s political enemies. …” Hayden looked at the questioner, and after a silence called on a different questioner. (Hayden National Press Club remarks, 1/23/06)”
Why didn’t Hayden simply say “we don’t spy on political enemies.” Is he so morally upstanding that he didn’t want to lie?????????
…”85% of the CIA is Republican…”
Golly! They are eating their own. Hookers and Cannibalism.
And there are pictures and video. Somebody was covering their ass while the congressmen and staffers were baring theirs.
bkny– catching up from the previous thread– leahy did not vote to confirm him; linky to the vote is here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00187
EPU’d from last thread:
Morning, all – late to the party…
My Baltimore Sun reports this morning that when Negroponte told Goss he had to fire Foggo, Goss refused, and thus became the loser in that pissing contest.
Was chilled to the bone when Hayden’s name surfaced as the likely replacement. This guy must be a graduate of the George W. Bush School of Constitutionology, which explains why he probably knows less about the Constitution than an immigrant studying for citizenship. This no doubt suits the Bush administration just fine, though. Wouldn’t want someone who actually knows the law and feels compelled to follow it now, would we?
Two things worry me about this. One is that the ineptitude and incompetence of the administration may finally have broken the CIA to the point where it may have been rendered useless in the execution of its stated purpose. If Hayden is appointed, I think there will be another exodus from the agency, this time of agents and employees who will refuse to participate in the wholesale spying on Americans.
The other thing that worries me is that putting someone like Hayden into the top job, combined with departures of those with principles, and more administration-style tweaking, the end result may be an agency that resembles the KGB more than anything else.
Chilled to the bone.
Billmon also has a great posting on this today:
The night porter checks out.
For any concerned
REPUBLICANS DEMOCRATS
Pat Roberts, Kansas
Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV
West Virginia, Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike Dewine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Evan Bayh, Indiana
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia
This is our intelligence commitee,are any your Senators?Perhaps it’s time to let them know what you think.
OT – sorry.
Here is another frightening article that was sent to me this morning;
So How Close is a Showdown Over Iran?
News of British involvement in a mock invasion of Iran is just the latest step in what seems a slow slide to war.by Paul Harris in Washington, Gaby Hinsliff in London and Robert Tait in Tehran
here is the link:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk…..93,00.html
(OT) As funny political names go, Dusty Foggo is right up there with Bebe Rebozo.
Markfromireland — good data there. My machine IS ancient, so I didn’t pay any mind. This week may test to limit; squeeze all k’s out will payback maninfold. (..and U2’s ‘Achtung Baby’ playing. Cheers!)
My design for today’s has been greymatter (as opposed to greymail);
flag-in-distress – upsidedown. Makes lower left quad as the field of stars. (next is ripped from J.Garcia’s first solo LP cove;disclosure) Converted star field to ‘S.O.S.’ in Morse Code (*** — ***, like that) Some of the stripes have the ‘ascii’ conversion:
115 111 115. Linked a couple series in Soduku style.
Sometimes I wonder how some leaden footed hack like Hayden can rise so high in the government but then I realize it is precisely this kind of studied mediocrity that is useful to people who want dubious things done and go unquestioned.
As for the rationale that Goss left because of turf battles with Negroponte, is there any evidence that these occurred? I mean if Goss is busy gutting the CIA is he really going to be that concerned about maintaining the agency’s prerogatives? I can see the agency being pissed at losing authority to Negroponte but Goss? I’m not so sure.
I also don’t buy the idea that Goss suddenly had had enough of his internal fights inside the CIA or that his presence as a divisive leader had become too much for him or the Administration. Rumsfeld has been busy destroying our military, a much larger organization, for a lot longer and he’s still at the Pentagon.
“…viewed as a cabal of wily spies working to oppose administration policy in Iraq.”
‘Wily’? Gadzooks! Hopefully Goss has de-wily-fied the CIA.
it’s been years since I used one but there used to be sites out on the Net where for free you could optimize your images (shrink the bandwidth). Nowadays I use a Photoshop analogue. that poof-ter Mark is quite correct about not wasting your server costs on profligate pictures…
From Josh
“WaPo: Foggo tells colleagues he’s resigning next week”
Foggoing??
The thing that really bothers me is, you would think that the administration wouldn’t play so fast and loose with someone in Goss’ position unless…
Goss should know where all the bodies are buried by now. Once he becomes a private citizen, what’s to stop him from becoming another Paul O’Neil?
Somethin’s happenin’ here; what it is ain’t exactly clear…
Markfromireland is so right. The graphic named haydenbushnegro.jpg is 80K at 300 dpi. I knocked it down in Photoshop to 34K at 72dpi and could have made it even smaller and faster!!!! This is web site 101 stuff.
he he he Wilson that pun hadn’t occurred to me thanks for the giggle. Now if you’ll excuse me he said reaching for the packet of cigarettes I think its time for me to enjoy sucking on a fag. If I get a coughing fit while I’m doing it I’m going to blame you – laughing and inhaling don’t mix well!
:-))))))
tryggth #34
Actually saving his own willy may have been part of the reason that he left and also had to leave.
Is he going to get Foggo-Marched out of the CIA?
-GSD
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
Thanks, Ann in AZ!
This is a first. Things are so bad for Bush’s team they’re forced to use “staggering incompetence” as a COVER STORY to explain a sudden resignation by the head of the CIA.
I would not count the CIA out just yet. The really bad guys haven’t left…you can’t even find them on the org chart as they are not listed there.
Goss undoubtedly received a ‘warning’ he couldn’t ignore…maybe pictures in a plain brown envelope…maybe something a little more threatening. In my opinion this is the latest sign that ‘CIA vs. Bush: Civil War’ is close to becoming public.
What will Bush’s poll numbers look like if Rove is indited next week?
And what is Senator Feingold gonna ask the ignorant Hayden….I mean a guy who is convinced he knows what the Constitution says when in fact he does not.
My take, he is not confirmed.
Pushing Hayden as CIA Director fits with Billmons Flight Forward thesis:
Billmon
“What we are witnessing (through rips in the curtain of official secrecy) may be an example of what the Germans call the flucht nach vorne – the “flight forward.” This refers to a situation in which an individual or institution seeks a way out of a crisis by becoming ever more daring and aggressive (or, as the White House propaganda department might put it: “bold”) A familar analogy is the gambler in Vegas, who tries to get out of a hole by doubling down on each successive bet.
Classic historical examples of the flucht nach vornes include Napoleon’s attempt to break the long stalemate with Britain by invading Russia, the decision of the Deep South slaveholding states to secede from the Union after Lincoln’s election, and Milosevic’s bid to create a “greater Serbia” after Yugoslavia fell apart.
As these examples suggest, flights forward usually don’t end well – just as relatively few gamblers emerge from a doubling-down spree with their shirts still on their backs.”
This is all so, so . . . um, well . . . words fail me –
Anyway — in the EPU’d thread, someone linked to a 2005 Billmon post, that opened with a recent GOoPer gay sex scandal, and segued back to the 1989 suicide of Craig Spence, a gay sex pimp from the Reagan Bush era.
http://billmon.org/archives/001692.html
Steve Gillard has good post on this — alas, he is viewing the scandal from the perspective of normal reality, rather than the el Duce filters that are central to the BushCo world view.
http://stevegilliard.blogspot……-fall.html
Scary doesn’t begin to describe how this feels — surreal, perhaps; but even that pales before the grotesque mendacity of these monsters.
Maybe mowing the grass will restore some sense of normalcy.
color compression also helps squeeze image bandwidth – you don’t need 32,000,000 colors for casual webwork: 256 will do (paletizing).
BRB
Sharbabe says:
“Redd, I think they’re in wtf,-let’s-just-go-for-it mode. More brazen by the day. No, make that hour.”
While I agree that this sort of appointment has a brazen appearance, I think the reality is quite the opposite. From our persepctive as outsiders we see a guy like Hayden as just another soiled insider. But what are the hiring options? The level of corruption is so complete that they really can’t bring in fresh blood. The only people that can be trusted in these positions almost have to have dirty hands already – otherwise the administration is taking the risk of exposing their corruption. When the corruption involves a true Constitutional crisis, icluding clearly illegal activities like domestic spying, there is just no way that Bush can afford fresh eyes getting a look on the inside.
Is it possible that the reason Goss suddenly resigned had to do with NATIONAL SECURITY? Can you say, “Guy Burgess”?
Gay prostitutes are pretty good at blackmailing their marks to betray their country.
And then there’s this guy:
http://www.blogactive.com/2005…..-call.html
This guy spent a ton of one-on-one time with George when he was running for Governor and actually lived in the Bush household for awhile.
This is really thick smoke: I suspect there’s a fire.
And then there’s this hearsay about Rove:
“When I asked him just what all this was about, all these secret gays – the whole pack of them – he gave me one of those looks that says “Girl, this says it all” and said, in a whispered tone, “Karl Rove.”"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/5/194558/7271
The Bush administration is really, really limping now. They have started to have problems.
Speaking of numbers; wonder how FOX finagled the 38% they say? But, even they, if Fitz indicts Rove and/or any of the ‘usual suspects’ then the pressure drop, pressure drop, pressure gonna drop on you.
Fox, et al ALL 29% and less. And then….?
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Just a reminder of a certain movie that named days in May. Today is the Sixth Day of May.
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Found it Jane/Christy I’ve sometimes used this place it’s free and online:
http://tools.dynamicdrive.com/…../index.php
Seriously spend sometime experimenting there you can save big bucks if you don’t want to shell out and prefer not to download anything. If one of you wants to email me the contents of your css file (you’ll find it in the WordPress manage files bit of your dashboard) I’ll see if there’s anything else. I’ll bet your either using a php script to clip your images or your clipping them in your css file. If its a php script and if I’m right then with one extra step (that will also reduce the “weight” of the image you can turn it off and save a bit of server load.
OT–Looks like the propaganda video mockery of Zarqawi BACKFIRED on the administration!
>>>>>>
An effort by the American military to discredit the terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi by showing video outtakes of him fumbling with a machine gun — suggesting that he lacks real fighting skill — was questioned yesterday by retired and active American military officers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..mp;emc=rss
>>>>>>>>>>>
Can somebody please explain to me why he has an American made weapon and fatigues and a new leg???
Destroying the CIA was Bush and Cheney’s goal all along. Mission accomplished. They can now tell us that Iran purchased a nuclear bomb from wherever, and there will be no leaks to contradict them. Because no one is left to tell the truth.
And I have no hope for D.C. dems to even put up a token fight on a new CIA leader. They relish their ‘insider’ status too much and Bush is the giver of status it seems.
From the WaPo article, as referenced by lurcher 36:
Gonna be an interesting few weeks, yes indeed.
My own sexual quirks seem so pedestrian. I mean, they all involve grrrls.
mfi 28
thanks for the billmon link:
“The CIA isn’t the new FEMA; it’s the new New Orleans, flooded and gutted and left to mold in the mud.
I’d say it would take years for the agency to recover, but my suspicion is that it will never recover, as its missions and resources continue to flow towards the Pentagon, like stars being sucked down a black hole.
…
Years ago I saw an editorial cartoon that showed the Pentagon attached to the White House as its new west wing. We may be nearing the day when it’s actually the other way around. And Porter Goss has done his part to bring that day closer.
Which is why Bush and Goss probably should have had a banner hanging over their heads at their news conference yesterday — “Mission Accomplished.” I’m sure Rumsfeld would have been happy to have one made for them.
“
JMG.
The spin was that Bush had lost confidence with Goss from the beginning.
So he let an incompetent man fester and ruin the top spy agency in the nation.
His “My Pet Goat” moment, only with the CIA.
It has become a vortex of scandal, incometence, corruption and tragedy. No one knows how to stop it now.
-GSD
tryggth 34
“…viewed as a cabal of wily spies working to oppose administration policy in Iraq.â€
‘Wily’? Gadzooks! Hopefully Goss has de-wily-fied the CIA.
the purge of the coyotes at Acme Intelligence Services
for shitz and gigglez, I squeezed that 3-way image down to 8K and it still is quite acceptable — in other words: a 10 to 1 savings of bandwidth
Laura Rozen of War and Piece is calling bullshit on the media spin:
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004100.html
The short version:
1) If Goss wasn’t resigning because of Hookergate, how come his good buddy Foggo — who is at the center of Hookergate — is resigning next week?
2) Goss, protecting his CIA subordinates from the wiles of Evil John Negroponte? Don’t make me laugh. Goss was brought on not to save the CIA, but to gut it and remake it into a neocon’s wet dream.
Hey if Ms Pelosi’s right and the Dem party are reaching out then maybe we call back!
Let them know that the party leadership has fallen way behind the great mass of , not just the party , but the public.
Ask them to call for the release of the presidents transcripts of his interview with Mr Fitzgerald and the expedition of Phase 2 that Harry shut down the Senate to expedite.
After all when all’s said and done a lot more get’s said than done.
Get the truth out like you said Mr President.
Pedestrian crossing …. Zebra crossing …. all the world but thee and me is strange and even thee is a little strange :-)
Incidentally all hell has broken loose in Basra. I’m swapping in and out of FDL but a british helicopter down (allegedly it crashed – I don’t believe that it crahed of its own accord) and british soldiers trying to secure the scene have had to run for their lives.
Gen. Michael Hayden refused to answer question about spying on political enemies at National Press Club.
Great. Where do they find these people? I must have had some wishful thinking in the back of my head: e.g., the more BushCo resignations, the less likely BushCo will find a corrupt replacement. How wrong I was. It seems BushCo selects its appointees from an endless cesspool.
Angie #53
I think the new leg is just a fashion thing.
Oilfieldguy #56
Careful, being a pedestrian is still frowned upon in many parts of the country and is illegal, I think, in California.
Angie,
Great minds. See # 10.
-GSD
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Porter Goss said Saturday that his surprise resignation as CIA director is “just one of those mysteries,” offering no other explanation for his sudden departure after almost two years on the job.
…
Hayden was involved in the decision that Goss must go, the source said.
I just heard that 4 Brits dead and 4 Iraqis killed while attempting to secure the ‘crash’ site.
markfromireland 39 – I am trying like hell to stop sucking on fags meself. Bad for ya, and the whole phraseology just sounds not good in my milieu :)
Hi folks – I’m having a grandiose morning and looking for ways to stop Hayden’s appointment.
Anyone want to play along?
Good – let’s start.
Recess – does it require unanimous consent?
[no, I’m not talking the “safe word†sort of recess/play…]
A few of my neurons seem to remember reading that the recess “declarations†(or whatever the heck they are) in Congress require unanimous consent.
This means that consensus from Democratic “leaders†would not be required. The House Dems would be irrelevant in any event (no surprise to those of us living in Pelosi’s district).
Any one of the few senators possessing a full set of vertebrae are more than enough to stop a unanimous “recess†declaration before adjournment.
Hmm – just one Senator could stop the appointment of the man who already refused to deny the NSA and domestic surveillance are used against Bush’s political opponents.
Does anyone have suggestions for a Senator with big gonads (either flavor), and an itch to defend the Constitution they swore to uphold?
[PS - and can any of those gifted with comprehension of Senatorial rules lay out what circumstances would allow the Seantors to go off on “break†without allowing conditions for a recess appointment?]
[PPS - I’m reposting this from the thread below ’cause:
- I got EPU’d
- I wrote the post for this thread, not the thread below. I should not post before the first cup of tea confers orientation.]
Oilfieldguy says:
May 6th, 2006 at 9:35 am
“My own sexual quirks seem so pedestrian.”
____
“Sex”? I seem to remember that. Hmmm…
Cunningham is what cooked Goss according to law enforcement source.
Foggo to be indicted?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0506.html
-GSD
With all that is going on, I don’t know how the Senate and House Intelligence Committees cannot hold hearings on the CIA in general, above and beyond the immediate vacancy.
mfi 63 –
any links to the helo story?
OT, but I want to get a call from the legal beagles here-
Is it possible to indict Rove on conspiracy but not the co-conspirator’s?
General Hayden, ‘eh? He’s the “No ‘probable cause requirement in the 4th Amendment’” dude, right?
Blithering idiot.
GSD #20
I thought Pelosi’s comments strange and self serving:
“We’ve taken the mockery–’Oh, they don’t have a plan’–in order to lay the groundwork.”
“Part of this plan to bypass mainstream media included using blogs. Pelosi implied that giving a story to Internet outlets, who then trump the mainstream media, is not only a means of getting a story out, but also a way to spur mainstream news sites into action, via competition.”
It seems that she is saying that the Democratic Party’s lack of message was all part of a cunning strategy to mobilize their base and that they have been feeding stories to us instead of the other way around. Plans like these I don’t need.
Iraq=no-such-thing. Three states. We will leave behind three states. Biden tries to jump out front like he’s leading a parade.
GSD– you never fail to amaze me! i am in and out today trying to weed the garden and keep up. ;)
Hugh– a long time ago, I moved to California and did not have a car. I used the bus to get to and from my first job until I could save enough to buy a car. I walked to the mall ca. 2 miles away to buy an ironing board so I could have nice, crisp uniforms. You should have seen the looks I got and at least 3 people slowed down in their cars to ask me if everything was ok… hilarious. I think they thought I was insane.
…and on NPR Weekend Edition this morning, “folksy” Scott Simon (ugggh!) chatting with Daniel Shore re Goss’ departure. Standard beltway fare, no mention of a whiff of scandal (Fornigate). I expect nothing from Simon, but Daniel Shore, of all people? Even way past his prime he should be well-enough connected and savvy enough to drop at least a hint of this.
GSD @ 72 -
I’m still not able to get rawstory. Anyone else still having this problem too?
ck– link to the British story:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/new…..K-IRAQ.xml
rawstory works here.
Oilfieldguy says:
May 6th, 2006 at 9:48 am
“…We will leave behind three states. Biden tries to jump out front like he’s leading a parade.”
_____
Yeah, 3 inevitable chronically warring states, the end of which will be wrought by the most brutal men left standing.
It was all gonna be SO easy. LMAO.
i am able to access rawstory– finally.
I don’t know what scares me more. These guys running things ruthlessly, or these guys running around with things in shambles.
One thing I don’t get: with this spectacle going on, why would any foreigner invest in this country? It looks mighty unstable to me.
I agree with Christy: the Foggo fun (and what’s more fun than saying “Dusty Foggo” every chance you get?) may figure tangentially into this firing, but much higher-stakes issues and machinations are at play.
A frightening possibility is that a high-level decision to attack Iran has made the need for a Stalinist purge of all potential CIA dissenters too pressing to delegate to the bumbling functionary Goss.
Oilfield Guy,
Biden is like Stork in Animal House. He’ll lead the parade down a dead end street and run away as the trombones start hitting the tuba players in the back of the head.
Great idea Joe. Why not recommend partitioning red and blue state America too, assclown.
-GSD
*Try-after a half day, it was finally working for me.
*Angie, that helicopter crash is terrible, it is another sign that the US/UK have lost and should be trying to do something different.
markfromireland @ 8:55 am (#16) – I haven’t done any tests, so I’m just asking. Do the pictures load every time you or I hit reload? They should stay cached. The only reason they wouldn’t is either that the browser’s cache is emptied or the web server’s caching rules don’t differentiate between pictures and text (possible, maybe even likely). If it’s the latter, then it might be possible to persuade the web host to set up a different rule for picture files than for the HTML files. I’ve had to do this for network monitoring applications, so it’s possible to do, and actually fairly easy if you have access to the web server.
One of the problems with a site like this is that the text is changing almost constantly, but the pictures rarely do. You shouldn’t be paying for me to reload that picture every time I reload the page.
OK, tell me where I am wrong.
From the beginning, Rummy and Dick wanted the Pentagon to control intelligence, correct?
Bush refuses to kick Rummy, and then Goss resigns in a bizarre fashion the same week a former CIA guy blasts Rummy in public
Then, the floated replacement is a 4 star general.
Won’t that complete the loop and place the CIA under Rummy’s control?
What I don’t know is how Negroponte fits into this scenario. Anyone have more information on his feeling WRT giving it all to Rummy?
FWIW, the best no/low-cost image editor for Mac is Lemkesoft’s GraphicConverter;
http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/graphdownld_en.htm
Actually, Biden proposed a 3 region with weak central government solution. Outside of ignoring basic reality it could work. A more likely scenario going this route would be a failed state or chronically unstable one.
Biden seems to like “it looks good on paper” solutions. He also backed sending more troops (which we didn’t and don’t have) to Iraq.
Sorry to repeat myself, but if the Iraqis were reasonable enough to accept these kinds of solutions they would be reasonable enough to avoid the conflicts that produced them.
ralphbon -
Recall this post from the other day? (I forget who posted it, but I saved the text):
“I just got off the phone with a supplier in the high desert area of California…they also supply Ft. Irwin near Barstow. Ft. Irwin is known for desert training for active and reserve military, and has been training and deploying troops for Iraq since before we started this wondrous project.
Now my supplier gets word that they are suddenly to support back-to-back (= continual) training from now until at least September. That’s more than any time in recent history, including since 2003, according to the supplier. They ‘usually’ run a couple of rounds of training, then some weeks off.
I remember driving out to Joshua Tree about six months before the start of the current Iraq adventure and seeing mile after mile of armored desert vehicles on the back of tractor-trailer flatbeds and thinking, “uh-oh, we’re going to Iraq.â€
Now Ft. Irwin is in non-stop desert training until September.
Could be this is training troops to cycle through Iraq, replacing the thousands that are coming up on one and two-year tours of duty.
OR….Iran?
Just makes you feel good all over, doesn’t it?”
I’ve already checked the comments page html: the image is separately sourced.
Goss: “mystery”
David Ferry: “It’s a mystery inside an enigma wrapped in a riddle!”
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Love that quote. Excuse for any excessive use. I DO try to do the responsible thing, ya know Occifer.
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“Six Days On the Road” now playing from County USA 1963.
(library visit = bluegrass fest.)
And, I don’t expect Hayden to get a hearing — I believe he will be a recess appointment during the Memorial Day recess — remember, this is all about November. If the Ds control one house or the other (I just can’t let myself think it will be both) then the party is over, and it won’t matter who the pinhead atop the CIA org chart is.
If by some catastrophe, the Rs maintain control, then Hayden will be zipped through a confirmation hearing in early 07 and Bush is safe for the rest of his term.
Don’t forget the pottery barn rule! Kurds are looking for a expanded Kurdistan, much to the displeasure of Turkey and Iran. A beatdown is coming. Removal of Saddam was the only obstacle from linking Iranian Shia with their breathren in the Gulf Emirates, Syria and Saudia Arabia to dominate oil reserves in the Middle East. The Texas Oilman can’t be having none of that. Big ass wups.
That silence is golden. I wonder how the NSA goes about deciding who’s just angry about Administration policies (thinking back on some of my blog comments) and who’s out to blow something up? Easy to see how political enemies might be accidentally surveilled in the process, eh?
Sorry i’m back I’m having a major row with some of the commenters on dailywarnews who’ve been gloating about people running for their lives.
Best place if you’re in north america is yahoo’s news page:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World…..mYw–
Here’s UK reuters:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/new…..K-IRAQ.xml
kirby– I think Negroponte would be just fine with having all the power in DoD– it’ll just free up more time for him to play at his club. Besides, he’s way comfy with Defense.
Seriously, though, this is an interesting read:
WASHINGTON — After a little more than a year in his newly created job, John D. Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, has won an initial battle to establish authority over the vast U.S. intelligence community — Porter J. Goss, who resisted Negroponte’s moves to limit the autonomy of the CIA, is gone.
But Negroponte faces a larger and much more difficult challenge: a struggle with Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s Department of Defense, which runs more than 80% of the nation’s intelligence budget and is busy expanding its role even further.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
the CIA was set up with 2 functions:
1. centralizing and coordination of all intelligence to the W.H.
2. actual in-the-field spying and covert operations
The new Director of National Intelligence (Negroponte) acquired the first function. The 2nd function (grunt-work) is being dispersed to the DOD.
The CIA now is passe!
Ralphbon says A frightening possibility is that a high-level decision to attack Iran has made the need for a Stalinist purge of all potential CIA dissenters too pressing to delegate to the bumbling functionary Goss.
This is right on the money, IMO. There have been one leak after another in the recent past, some being suspected of being CIA people. Before going to Iran, this avenue of leaks needed to be shut down – permanently. Soon there will probably be a mass exodus of people from the CIA — and this is exactly what Cheney wants. All the better to spread whatever ‘intelligence’ Cheney and his crew can cook up.
cook up = manufacture, forge, confessions of the tortured
Prostitutes, but no one saw women? So they were playing pokehim not poker? There have been hints of this for a long time, often by commenters at blogs like this. Is there any real evidence of gay sex and gay prosititution at all. Other than the odd presence of Gannon/Guckert, which is not hard evidence realy (no cracks on “hard” OK?) Or was the ring full service providing hims or hers, or both at once, depending on tastes?
BobbyG @ 9:47 am (#76) – Yes, that’s our boy. I try never to argue about what the Constitution does or does not say without having a copy in front of me. It’s not all that complicated as such things go, but it’s quite a bit to commit to memory. You’d think a guy like Hayden, who is used to speaking in public, would follow that rule, too.
BobbyG
You might be interested in the posting I wrote about that a few day days ago biden and his neocon buddy gelb have been whoring that one out for a long time – just click my home page and scroll down to:
“A barefaced and Stupid Lie”
Hugh @#91
My firm belief is there will be three states. If we stay there 2 years or ten years it won’t matter. I see absolutely no way to prevent it from happening. We cannot force them to live together, but maybe we could help seperate them. It will be disastrous. The choice now is between two negatives and which is the least terrible. Bush should report to the Hague.
tryggth
you should try purging your browser cache, that is usually what blocks a site
Cheney can name the new and improved organization after I. Lewis Libby. That will teach them not to mess with the Chancellor’s lads.
Sorry to jump into a serious conversation, but this is really killing me:
Judy’s My Space Page
The funniest part is the “Judy’s Friends’ Comments” section – check out Pinch and Scooter!
markfromireland -
That is way cool stuff. Thanks for the link.
Sorry if I’ve wondered off topic Christy. This neutering of the CIA and shifting intel responsibilities to DOD, does this have anything to do with the reporting requirements to congress? An attempt to control opposing intelligence and future cherry-picking charges?
A hundred generals with their hair on fire couldn’t dislodge that madman from the Pentagon; that Grim Reaper from Zanesville, oh Henny Penny!
Oildfield guy you need to read that posting too. Most of the Iraqis i know have relatives who are on “the other side” I get really sick listening to westerners who don’t speak Arabic have never lived in the country don’t have friends there talking about how inevitable the civil war is. It isn’t. US policy is to foment there’s a hell of a lot of evidence for that see the posting I wrote today for what i believe about who’s doing it.
no disrespect to you meant by that – none – you only hear one side of the story. The kurds that’s a different story god help them who’d be a kurd their territory is ruled by two equally vicious armed gangs their neighbours hate their effing guts. i don’t blame them for wanting to cut loose and when they do it we really will see a genocide. There are days when i literally just want to sit and cry and I don’t cry easy. God have pity on them.
The struggle between Negroponte and Rumsfeld sounds very much as though they think they must settle this themselves, since Bush will never make a decision. A vacuum at the top leads to struggles among the subordinates.
Thanks 107-
I think the issue might be there is a new IP which hasn’t trickled down to my DNS server. The message “Currently awaiting resolution….” sort of suggests that. Right now my computer thinks http://www.rawstory.com is at 217.160.250.39.
punaise wrote that he expected Daniel Shore on NPR to mention the Fornigate ties to the Goss resignation. We need to be a little bit reasonable here. NPR isn’t going to go off half-cocked on a poker-n-escorts story!! It isn’t right for us to want everybody to go into a feeding frenzy when it hurts their side, and then expect people to care about the facts when we’re the ones in the crosshairs.
and to bkny from the last thread,
Come on down to a Judiciary Committee (not Intel) hearing sometime and show me how Pat Leahy rolls over. Leahy may not be perfect, but he is a mensch.
peace,
jim
If Hayden is the nominee at least he can be placed under oath. Hopefully a senator (Lahey) can call him on some stuff.
The 3 state proposition will only hurt the poor Iraqis– we made the civil war come about– capitalizing on the differences and not concentrating on the similarities that have existed for centuries, but, hey, that’s what we do here and abroad. We manufactured the entire thing and rubbed salt into wounds that we created.
Iran and Turkey will have something to say…
Riverbend’s last post finishes with this:
>>>>>>
As for news of the new Iraqi army, it isn’t going as smoothly as Bush and his crew portray. Today we watched footage of Iraqi soldiers in Anbar graduating. The whole ceremony was quite ordinary up until nearly the end- their commander announced they would be deployed to various areas and suddenly it was chaos. The soldiers began stripping their fatigues and throwing them around, verbally attacking their seniors and yelling and shoving. They were promised, when they signed up for the army in their areas, that they would be deployed inside of their own areas- which does make sense. There is news that they are currently on strike- refusing to be deployed outside of their own provinces.
One can’t help but wonder if the ‘area’ they were supposed to be deployed to was the north of Iraq? Especially with Iranian troops on the border… Talbani announced a few days ago that the protection of Kurdistan was the responsibility of Iraq and I completely agree for a change- because Kurdistan IS a part of Iraq. Before he made this statement, it was always understood that only the Peshmerga would protect Kurdistan- apparently, against Iran, they aren’t nearly enough.
The big question is- what will the US do about Iran? There are the hints of the possibility of bombings, etc. While I hate the Iranian government, the people don’t deserve the chaos and damage of air strikes and war. I don’t really worry about that though, because if you live in Iraq- you know America’s hands are tied. Just as soon as Washington makes a move against Tehran, American troops inside Iraq will come under attack. It’s that simple- Washington has big guns and planes… But Iran has 150,000 American hostages.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
bobby would you believe that I’m upto 30 emails making death threats because of this one:
http://markfromireland.blogsom…..cet-illis/
(I run two blogs “guides” I update daily mfi is for longer researched and refernced articles)
A frightening possibility is that a high-level decision to attack Iran has made the need for a Stalinist purge of all potential CIA dissenters too pressing to delegate to the bumbling functionary Goss.
as they say -
dingdingdingdingding, we have a winner
punaise @ #80 said “Daniel Shore, of all people? Even way past his prime he should be well-enough connected and savvy enough to drop at least a hint of this.”
I’ve listened to Daniel Schorr as long as he’s been with NPR. Last winter, he sounded quite ill for about two or three months. Since then, he has given a total of zero great radio essays, IMHO. He was best when passionate, but there seems to be no passion there. Maybe he’s just given up on democracy beiing alive.
BTW: my wife and I watched “Network” for the first time ever last night. What a fascinating movie. We lived in the backwoods (sorta) of Alaska when it came out, so missed it then. Not so sure why we never picked it up until now on video, though. Howard Beale……..?
Booman has an interesting post up:
http://www.boomantribune.com/s…..14738/9356
his ultimate conclusion is that Goss knows the plans for Iran and is leaving before he takes all the blame for intelligence failures like Tenet did…
could be…
HAHA! Go here:
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Call me if you can’t see it.
Next week: supermarket checkout racks; Enquirer, etc. With slightly more suggestively salacious details..
ala Monica.
Try at 75
Short answer: YES.
But you don’t like to do that for several reasons. Like fairness. Like the defense screaming abput unfairness. Like the jury engaging in jury nullification because of the unfairness.
Like your mother raised you to be fair.
Is there no speculation at all that Goss might, just possibly, be doing what we all say that Colin Powell should have done? That is, isn’t it at least somewhat possible that Goss came across something so patently awful (Iran?) that he resigned immediately?
sharkbabe
roflmao
They don’t call it the
military industrial complexgovernment for nothing. Shorthand, Pentagon.markfromireland -
Wow.
Y’know, when nutcases threaten me, I give ‘em my address and phone number (easy to find anyway) and request a date/time to hook up and throw down (no takers yet after several years of posting iconoclastic stuff). Maybe that’s crazy, but I don’t care any more. The bullshit is getting to be too much.
Dusty Foggo, Nine Fingers, hookers at the Watergate,a regug-linked mob killing down in Florida, venal politcos, gay right-wing operatives, plane-loads full of coke, poker, Elmer Gantry-esque Evangelicals, wives on the take, cozy corporate funded jaunts, cocktail-weenie addicted journos, blackmail, arm-twisting, pay-to-play, gov’t contracts-to-kickbacks to repubs, ex-con millionaires running limos and voting machine companies,…
I would say “CALLING ED McBAIN!!!”( or at least Carl Hiasson) but these crimes and misdemeanors are the tip of the iceburg, so I guess we need to call out the cavalry.
jayt
that assumes a moral compass. This is the Bush Administration.
A vacuum at the top leads to struggles among the subordinates.
There is no vacuum at the top. Chancellor Cheney rules as he always has.
Nice summation sunny– I’ll pile on, thank you! closed door deals with energy giants, stink-o Medicare dealings, illegal wars, illegal wiretapping, endorsed torture, etc.
It’s probably not the hookers per se, but the contracting. Foggo wasn’t promoted because Porter just loved the pieces of ass thrown his way, it was money. Always follow the money. It drives Washington more than sex.
That’s pretty much my attitude bobbyg and anyway in my civilian aspect I’m a magistrærne officer of the superior courts. Think french juge d’instruction but with very sharp teeth and you’ll be close enough. So there’s about some people in the us and europe who are really feeling rather sorry for themselves right now. – try to imagine how little I care about their feelings :-)
Over at Emptywheel, someone posted that the General might not be able to hold a civil position, as he is active military, and they are barred from doing so. Do you know anything about this, Christy? The poster quoted rules concerning this. It’s designed to keep the power of the military and other agencies of the government in civilian hands.
I agree with you, Christy, that Hayden’s suggested apointment is scary, with Rumsfeld and Cheny in the background, and the NSA business. This might be a harder appointment to get through if the rule thing mentioned above holds.
Thanks for link to lemke moeman @ 91 duly bookmarked – I don’t have (and don’t want) a mac so when people ask which they do from time to time it’s handy to be able to say “go here”
If Goss’s departure is Iran related I wouldn’t be too quick to make him out as a hero. More likely he was getting squeezed on an Iran NIE by the CIA analysts from below who were determined not to be railroaded and the DIA’s “hot” information they are getting from whoever is passing as the INC for Iran.
btw, those are 3 scary stooges in that pic… are those sh*t eating grins they’re wearing so proudly?
Assuming it will be Hayden, I wonder if Schumer and the DLC crowd will now be willing to endorse Feingold’s censure resolution? Will they fight Hayden’s nomination tooth and nail?
If they don’t, if they’re unwilling to wage a knock-down-drag-out fight over Constitutional libery, then the democratic party deserves every curse that will rain down upon it. It will deserve to go belly up.
And I don’t think they will. They’re grasshopper-eared, play it safers, who will unwisely counsel awaiting on the GOP to implode. That said, I hope I’m wrong.
There ain’t no Santa Claus. Time to break our minds and start over.
What tryggth @136 said. anywayt it’s all just speculation @ present it could well be (he is a republican hack after all) that there’s a compromising video of him well as the punchline to the limerick goes:
With maniacal howls
He deflowers young owls
That he keeps in an underground aviary.
(There’s a follow up Limerick but Jane would fly over here and kill me sloooooowly if i posted it)
How in God’s name did we manage to get so off-topic???????????
I just know this is going to get EPU’d and I’ll have to post it again in the next item, but here goes:
Yesterday I hypothesized that the Goss connection to Hookergate gate was a planted rumor to distract from some other reason for firing Porter Goss. And it has just enough truth in it, via Goss’s friendship with Dusty Foggo, to give it legs for a week or two, and let those who want to believe it remain in denial afterwards.
But this morning I woke up to Porter Goss telling reporters that it will remain a ‘mystery’ why he was fired.
Think about that for a moment.
You’ve just been fired, by the President, because you’ve been caught associated with a scandal involving escorts, gambling, drinking, possibly drugs, and possibly accusations of homosexual solicitation.
Do you:
A) Go to the press; tell them ‘It’s a mystery’ why you were fired; and tell them that no one will ever know, thereby challenging them to investigate why you were *really* fired and ensuring that all the embarrasing details *will* come out;
or,
B) Go along with the cover story provided by the administration — that it’s time to move on and hand the reins to someone else, having successfully managed the transition from the previous CIA director?
Seems pretty clear to me that the answer is ‘B’.
Which means that whyever Goss was fired, it’s not something *Goss* is embarrassed about.
It’s the Bushies that are embarrassed, and evidently pissed (which I’ll get to in a moment). And Goss wants it investigated by the press, wants whatever is to come out, and wants to further embarrass the administration.
Interestingly, this also explains the weird dichotomy of yesterday’s press op with Porter and George.
As I also noted yesterday, if Goss had done something really egregious or embarrassing, Bush would not have allowed a photo op to take place. OTOH, if there’s nothing embarrassing about it, then why the surprise, why the suddenness?
I still don’t know what it is, but it’s becoming more and more clear that whatever Goss was fired for, it’s not because of either the officially given reasons or the Hookergate/Dusty Foggo/Watergate II associations.
I’ll have to leave that for some other enterprising reporter to determine. My guess would be that it has something to do with torture or domestic spying, perhaps of political opponents and reporters, that Goss knows about and either refused to implement (unlikely) or threatened to leak (more likely).
Whatever it was, though, it left the Bushies too vulnerable to just toss Goss out with only a smear campaign, and too pissed to remember the niceties like saying Goss wanted to move on or spend time with his family.
I can’t wait to find out what it is they are actually covering up — I’m pretty sure it ain’t Foggo though, or at least not only Foggo.
(P.S., here’s another theory. What if it wasn’t Goss who wanted Dusty in the number postiion at CIA? What if it someone at the WH who demanded Dusty’s promotion? And Goss refused to take the fall for it?
That would certainly both embarrass and tick off the administration, while also making it imperative to both fire Goss and treat him kid gloves.)
what if the report requested by the senate of the cia to provide a report of the fallout from the plame outing is so damaging (a death) that it would lead to charges of treason. the judge in the preceedings thursday requested fitz turn over to libby’s defense any documentation he has establishing whether the cherrypicked leaks had been declassified and how. if bush needs to provide documentation, and he had none, and he authorized the unclassified leaking of her name, he is in essence culpable of any negative fallout. why hasn’t the cia to date responded to the request? what was the fallout of shutting down or exposing brewster and jennings and the cia iran WMD front?
Negroponte has wanted to get rid of Goss for a very long time. Hookergate and Foggo’s frolics gave him the excuse he needed to drop the hammer and he got Bush to back him. Goss was so pissed off Bush didn’t back HIM that he refused to give them time to concoct a better cover story. That’s the benign scenario. The malignant one is, we’re nuking Iran next week and Goss didn’t want to be anywhere near D.C. during the inevitable retaliatory terrorist attacks!
jayt #125
Porter Goss doing something because it’s the right thing to do, nope, don’t buy it. He was chairman of House Intelligence Committee, one of whose functions was oversight of the CIA but did he use this position of oversight to reform the agency, keep it strong, or fix its weaknesses? No. So he is named to head the CIA and now he promises to make the “reforms” he could have made but didn’t when he contolled the agency’s pursestrings. Oh yes, almost forgot he also pledged not to be partisan at the CIA during his confirmation hearings and we know how that went. Yeah, he’s a real stand up guy that one.
I suppose the simplest answer didn’t occur to you:
He simply deemed the question too stupid to rate an answer.
fyi — judgment at nuremberg is on tcm now.
REdd, Jane, firedoggies – I’m at work and end of lunch hour but – just skimmed MoDo at NYT (no time to link) and she may be the only MSM writer to actually discuss Goss, Foggo, and Hookergate (oh, how nostalgic to hear that -gate suffix – legitimately!) . Check her out today.
(reading furtively between calls)
All of this serves as distraction while consolidation of wealth in fewer hands chugs along at a faster clip than it did during Reagan’s terms. Might that be why Bush was propped into office astride Cheney’s hand?
NY Daily News, via Josh Marshall, reporting that Dusty Foggo “could soon be indicted” in Hookergate.
The Hayden quote is wonderful, but I followed the links, from digby to Glenn Greenwald to Think Progress to MyDD to Democracy Now!, which reprinted the transcript with that quote . . . and it’s not there. Hayden said a lot of fairly outrageous things at the Jan. 23 Press Club appearance, some of which have been widely quoted elsewhere, but this quote doesn’t appear to be one of them.
Jay Gabriel at #142 said:
(P.S., here’s another theory. What if it wasn’t Goss who wanted Dusty in the number postiion at CIA? What if it someone at the WH who demanded Dusty’s promotion? And Goss refused to take the fall for it?
I doubt Foggo and Wilkes were the masterminds of the scheme. It would be nice to know where Wilkes got the seed money for his ventures.
This is from the posting by JoeJoeJoe at Emptywheel, today. Is this applicable, anyone?
“Is Gen. Hayden even eligible to be CIA Director?
This is excerpted from the US Code Title 10, Subtitle A, Part II, Ch. 49:
§ 973 Duties: officers on active duty; performance of civil functions restricted
(a) No officer of an armed force on active duty may accept employment if that employment requires him to be separated from his organization, branch, or unit, or interferes with the performance of his military duties.
(b)
(1) This subsection applies—
(A) to a regular officer of an armed force on the active-duty list (and a regular officer of the Coast Guard on the active duty promotion list);
(2)
(A) Except as otherwise authorized by law, an officer to whom this subsection applies may not hold, or exercise the functions of, a civil office in the Government of the United States—
(i) that is an elective office;
(ii) that requires an appointment by the President by and with the advice and consent of the Senate; or
(iii) that is a position in the Executive Schedule under sections 5312 through 5317 of title 5.
CIA Director is confirmed by the Senate. The DIA and CIA are separate agencies under the budget authority of the DNI – yet Gen. Hayden is an active duty officer in the Air Force and reports to the Secretary of Defense. That’s a huge conflict. Gen. Hayden was already confirmed by the Senate as Principal Deputy Director DNI but that doesn’t make it proper. We don’t allow active duty military to run DoD for a reason – civilian control of government is essential to our democracy. Why should CIA be any different?”
RE: the following question posted at #75:
OT, but I want to get a call from the legal beagles here-
Is it possible to indict Rove on conspiracy but not the co-conspirator’s?
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Yes. The crime of conspiracy consists of two, or more people agreeing to commit a specific crime and one of them must commit an overt act in furtherance of the objective of the conspiracy. The overt act can be lawful, or unlawful. In the case of a bank robbery, for example, if one member of the conspiracy borrows a car to use as a getaway car, that act would complete the crime even though borrowing a car is an otherwise lawful act.
It isn’t uncommon for grand juries to indict a single person for conspiracy. To survive that defendant’s potential motion to dismiss, the grand jury need only accuse the defendant of conspiring with another person, whether named or unnamed, and accuse the defendant, or another co-conspirator of committing an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. Prosecutors occasionally use the “unidentified co-conspirator” language to keep that person’s name confidential until they summon that person to the witness stand to testify in the trial.
I believe that Rove will be indicted soon and readers should keep in mind that the grand jury could return a superseding indictment in Libby’s case adding Rove as a codefendant. For example, both might be charged with conspiracy to out Valerie Plame together with other named and unnamed co-conspirators.
Don’t forget that John Hannah and David Wurmser have cooperated with Fitzgerald and they likely know the complete story of the administration’s plan to discredit Wilson and out Plame.
Stay tuned because next week could be very interesting.
Re: Daniel Schorr
Daniel Schorr RAVED, literally RAVED about George W. Bush after his acceptance speech at the 2000 Republican convention. I’ve never expected much of him since.
Oh, and Valerie Plame’s book will be titled “FAIR GAME”
In your face, Rove! Have fun in the slammer!!
Funny that you mention “Alex” in your headline, as FITZ will be mentioned on the Wednesday (May 10) episode of Jeopardy!
Details later…..
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Negroponte looks kind of like Creedy, the head of the Finger in the movie V for Vendetta?
I find it hard to believe that Negroponte is feuding with Rummy over where intel should be sourced from. After all, Hayden is his number 2.
“Hayden looked at the questioner, and after a silence called on a different questioner.”
The (Nixonian) standard ‘non-denial’ denial, commission by omission. When (hopefully) ‘we’ (the people) get our hands back on the wheel, we’ll find out that Bolton et al, used the NSA to subvert everything from Kerrry’s overseas political well wishers (all the allies that we REALLY on his ’side’ in the ‘04 elections) to gathering info (read blackmail) on domestic targets…
how do i ‘know’ this?
we’ve been there, and done that before. and this time, these guys are ALL trying to keep from being prosecuted for WAR CRIMES, you BET they’ve got a ‘line’ on everybody/thing they can to leverage themselves into holding onto power and keeping the ‘lid on’.
…fucking war criminals.
I’ve worked with General Hayden and he’s not the stooge many are making him out to be. He’s just a career Air Force officer who’s risen as far as he can and is now eligible to be appointed by the President. If he gets this appointment, he’ll be basically doing what he did at the NSA. Sort of a lateral move with a bit more power.
As for his dodging the question at that press conference, I’m not so sure that’s what he was doing. I think he felt he already answered it when he gave specifics of what the terrorist surveillance program is supposed to cover. I agree it would have been better if he would have said “NO”, but I think the man was getting a bit flustered and losing it. He’s not a politician or someone who is used to being peppered with questions.
I’m not a fan of this president. I’m a lifelong Democrat who thinks impeachment is too light of a sentence for these guys in the White House. But I don’t believe Hayden is one of them. He’s a career military man who answers to his commander-in-chief, be it Bill Clinton or George Bush. He’s probably in way over his head this time, but from having read his memos and listened to his speeches for many years, I don’t think he’s intentionally spying on Americans for political reasons. It goes against everything the man’s life has stood for.
Hayden is one of them. He’s a career military man who answers to his commander-in-chief, be it Bill Clinton or George Bush. He’s probably in way over his head this time, but from having read his memos and listened to his speeches for many years, I don’t think he’s intentionally spying on Americans for political reasons. It goes against everything the man’s life has stood for.
He could say ‘No’, retire on half-pay, and receive the thanks of a grateful nation.
Davis X. Machina at 161: If JackH’s take on Gen. Hayden is correct, you may have just predicted the arc of his (short) DIA career . . .
I suppose he could retire. He entered active duty in 1969, so he’s completing his 37th year in the military. But he must feel that he’s not ready for retirement yet. I guess we could hope that Bush picks someone who is totally hostile to everything that this administration is trying to do… but that’s not realistic, is it? Hayden as DCI is something I can live with. We could have much, much worse. Look at Negroponte. Now there’s an appointment that needed to be halted.
You’re probably right Michael Scott. I don’t think Hayden will last very long, if he gets this appointment. Of course, if Bush is fighting other battles with a Democratically controlled Congress, the director of the CIA may not even be on his radar.
In the winter of 1860-1861, the Army and Navy faced the same question they face today.
The time has come for the officers of the Armed Services to make a choice — do we continue to live in a republic, under the rule of law, under the Constitution, or not?
In 1860-61, those who chose the second alternative resigned their commissions.
Today those who choose the first should do so.
James Robertson at 146 — It did occur to me that he might have thought the question to be stupid and just not answered it. But to do so in a room full of DC journalists, all of whom were very worked up about the NSA story at that point given the revelations about the NSA having been used for domestic spying purposes without obtaining the necessary lawful warrants, is either the height of stupidity or arrogance — and I can’t decide which applies here. Either way, it IS something that needs to be explored at confirmation hearings since he failed to respond publicly here. Accountability is important, and sorely lacking in this Administration — and Hayden certainly doesn’t get a pass on this. Period.
On the bandwidth question:
I just downloaded and saved this page and all its contents. To be sure, I loaded that page into my browser. It looks pretty much like this one from your website. Here’s the relative size of the HTML page and everything else, including that graphic, that makes up what you see in your browser:
[cujo359@veeger politics]$ du -s fdl*
308 fdl_political_enemies_files
296 fdl_political_enemies.html
88 fdl_political_enemies_files/haydenbushnegro
Those numbers are kilobytes. The graphic is 88kB by this calculation. That’s about 15% of the page. If you reduce it to 10kB it’s about 1.5% of the total page size. Make the image as small as you can and you save maybe 10 % of what a typical page load costs you in bandwidth.
However, if you have your web server set up to expire graphics and CSS files, then you save most of the 50+% of bandwidth on each page load.
re: my last (#167) – I meant to say “expire graphics and CSS files much more slowly“.
re 160:
“General Hayden … He’s just a career Air Force officer who’s risen as far as he can and is now eligible to be appointed by the President.
I think the man was getting a bit flustered and losing it. He’s not a politician or someone who is used to being peppered with questions.
He’s a career military man….”
OK, I’ll bite. Having found the very large salt crystal enabling me to believe a former co-worker of Gen. Hayden – after happening across a discussion regarding the old spy who used to be his boss – is breaking silence, but not anonymity, to let us all know his old boss is A-OK. I am confident this encounter has nothing to do with fdl’s capacity to shape public opinion, and I know that the executive and military would never, never countenence any propaganda operation designed to shape domestic opinion.
It’s a big crystal, remember?
OK – I’ll stipulate everything you’re telling me about your old boss is true.
I may have misunderstood, but I thought the Strategic Air Command is primarily staffed and directed by, well Air Force officers and enlisted “airpersons”.
I also thought the SAC folks are in charge of keeping a ceaseless vigil against surprise attacks from ballistic nuclear missiles, and drill frequently to prepare for surprise attacks.
You know – surprise attacks coming from the sky – that’s where the “Air” bit comes in.
Now I am being told that an Air Force general who just happened to run a spying agency when domestic spying is a hot media topic was “a bit flustered and losing it” when he went to a scheduled press conference and found – surprise – reporters asking questions about domestic spying.
If predictable questions at the National Press Club caused the good General to be “flustered and losing it”, I hope he was wearing something dark for his tours in Cheyenne Mountain.
Cause if the General is “frustrated and losing it” when facing verbal parries, ICBM attacks would leave him peeing in his pants.
[PS: If this load of bilge is true, the NSA has reason to be pissed off, itself: someone just revealed to the Russkies that Air Force generals can’t handle even mild pressure.]
I’ll offer one more possibility regarding Goss and Iran. Let’s face it–incompetence, corruption, arrogance, political partisanship bordering on the insane are not qualities that disqualify someone for a job in the Bush administration. They’re practically job prerequisites.
So, would Goss get thrown under the bus for those things? I think not. Even Larry Johnson’s sources are saying that Goss isn’t directly involved in Hookergate or other procurement problems related to Foggo/Wilkes/Wade/Cunningham.
Now, in order for Bush to make a surprise attack on Iran, under the War Powers Act, he has to come back to Congress with some sort of fig leaf from a reliable intelligence source that says action was justified because Iran was an imminent, immediate threat.
Goss has pissed off just about everyone in the CIA–a CIA that is still pissed at being blamed for Tenet giving Congress something that pleased Bush, but wasn’t the whole truth. Goss also knows there are no facts to justify an attack. So, what does Bush most want from Goss right now? Exactly what he can’t provide–a new NIE on Iran saying exactly what would satisfy Congress–that an attack on Iran was justified.
Is Goss out because he couldn’t deliver an NIE which suited Bush’s prejudices and intentions? Is Hayden in because he will order people in the CIA to produce what is desired? TIME is writing, as of last night, that Hayden has “close rapport” with Cheney, which sort of says that he’s yet another right-wing snake.
Without that fig leaf, Bush would be seen, even by this somnolent Congress, as having grossly exceeded his authority. Goss may have desperately wanted to give Bush his fig leaf, but wasn’t able to do so and might have gotten bounced because of that. There’s a timetable on this Iran business, after all.
I wake up everyday, breathing in and breathing out, thank you Jesus, mary and joseph, in the hope that today will be the day, the day these indiscriminate fornicaters get returned in kind what they have so graciously bestowed on the rest of us. Their infinite wisdom of forethought is awesome to behold.
Rico y Suave
Fues
In re-reading the Priest article, one thing did strike me near the end — the Rumsfeld/Negroponte struggle to the death-match for autonomy or control on the defense end of the intel services. When you couple that with the Cheney push for Hayden, does anyone else get the sense that Rummy may be winning that battle?
Rumsfeld isn’t winning that battle. DoD is. Because they are credible… much moreso than the politically motivated civilians.
re: Kirk Murphy and 169: I don’t really care what you think about my speculation. I really don’t know what was going through Hayden’s mind when that question was asked. How about we ask him again during a confirmation hearing? I’m sure you will dismiss the answer though, whatever it may be. I never stated I was a “co-worker” with Hayden. I WAS in the Air Force, and I did work at NSA when he was the director, but so did thousands of others. It’s not like we shared an office.
I may be totally wrong on Hayden and he may be an agent of the devil like some seem to think. That’s usually the way I feel about Bush appointees too. In this case though, I think he’s just a career soldier who’s in over his head (kind of like Powell was). Call that a “load of bilge” if you must. Says more about you than it does me.
Here’s my look at the developing Porter Goss/Hookergate scandal. Spies, Hookers, and Money. Oh My!
Whatever happened to all the fun in the world-fz
God damned it-pr,jf et fucking al.
Fues
Interesting to see you on here GSD, since you post on ThinkProgress too! Never visited this site before, but seems interesting! Posters are not fighting with Bush loving trolls so much is nice!
In regards to Porter Goss: he was forced to resign for something serious, most likely the Cunningham sex scandal with hookers at the Watergate hotel, as well as failing to curb Ray McGovern from humiliating Rumsfeld a few days ago! Unfortunately as Goss himself said his resignation might remain a mystery?
Read tonight, I think it was at Cannonfire, Bill Kristol was on Fox saying in the next few days some bad things were going to come out. Fox got a call from the W.H. and Kristol was drowned out. Like he was a democrat or something. Jeff Gannon is back in the news…Wonder if he knows anything about hookergate. I’d hate to have the CIA mad at me.
With that pervert Irving Libby dropping in the W/house cafeteria the Turd blossom special could roll right on through the war on Iran. He won’t be in jail – he’ll be out on bail.
Even if he was locked up at least one world title fight was arranged from inside the big house ( Jake La ‘ Raging Bull’ Motta’s )
‘ Offence is the best defence’ is tattooed on the dick of all these criminals – along with the Swastika.
Fitz can’t do this by himself – we gotta do more and we gotta get rid of these guys…by any mean’s necessary.
I’m sure this is destined for EPU, but needs to be said- Every time I hear or read John Negroponte’s name, I think of what he accomplised during his tenure as ambassador to Honduras in the early 80’s.
He supervised the CIA while they trained ‘Contra’ death squads in Honduras to undermine the communist Sandanista government in neighboring El Salvador. The death squads kidnapped nuns and threw them of helicopters. Negroponte is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Do you remember the Iran/Contra scandal? Do you remember Negroponte’s role?
In May 1982, a nun, Sister Laetitia Bordes, who had worked for ten years in El Salvador, went on a fact-finding delegation to Honduras to investigate the whereabouts of thirty Salvadoran nuns and women of faith who fled to Honduras in 1981 after Archbishop Óscar Romero’s assassination. Negroponte claimed the embassy knew nothing about the nuns. However, in a 1996 interview with The Baltimore Sun, Negroponte’s predecessor, Jack Binns, said that a group of Salvadorans, among whom were the women Bordes had been looking for, were captured on April 22, 1981, and savagely tortured by the DNI, the Honduran Secret Police, and then later thrown out of helicopters alive.
In early 1984, two American mercenaries, Thomas Posey and Dana Parker, contacted Negroponte, stating they wanted to supply arms to the Contras after the U.S. Congress had banned further military aid. Documents show that Negroponte brought the two together with a contact in the Honduran armed forces. The operation was exposed nine months later, at which point the Reagan administration denied any U.S. involvement, despite Negroponte’s introductions of some of the individuals. Other documents detailed a plan of Negroponte and then-Vice President George H. W. Bush to funnel Contra aid money through the Honduran government. (from wikipedia, but Noam Chomsky has quite a bit to say about this also…)
I was a teenager during those years, and I went to a catholic church with a congregation made primarily of college students and their families. The priest there used to focus much attention on the plight of the Salvadoran people, and he left no doubts in my mind that their suffering was largely due to the actions of the American government (thank you, Ronnie, for all your hard work).anyhow. Father Grothwell used to talk a lot about the “School of the Americas” in Georgia, which is where the leaders of these Death Squads were trained… Of course it’s still active at Fort Benning, and imagine my surprise when I saw wahat techniques were taught there:
The rabbit hole is deep, my friends… and all of these bastards already have blood on their hands.
JackH, I apologize for my rudeness.
I read your response and thought for a good long bit and didn’t like what I saw in me.
I am sad to see that – rather than seeing you as someone with shared values and a potential partner in ideas – I saw you as a threat.
I see that I judged you because of (what appeared to be – and is) your work in the national security world. As a result, I assumed you were participating in this discussion with ill intent, and acted accordingly. I apologize for my actions, and for my discourtesy.
My “bilge” comment and any other notes of ad hominem snark toward you as a human being are all my mistakes, and I apologize for them.
Nothing justifies my rudeness.
The following does not justify my rudeness.
I fear your (former?) bosses do not care for democracy or freedom.
You worked (or work) for a part of our government accountable to no one in the non-classified world.
I read that – via Echelon – NSA has long shared overseas intercepts (from listening in on the UK and Australia/New Zealand) with the UK and Australia/New Zealand, who kindly shared their real-time intercepts of US communications.
Echelon is designed to allow national security services to defy domestic political authority. Who cares if the legislative branch bans domestic wiretaps by the local intelligence services like NSA, and the President signed the bill into law?
With Echelon, the executive branch can, has, and does defy Congressional intent and statute and monitor US residents in America via the Brits, Aussies, and Kiwis. Our spies monitor the Brits and Aussies and Kiwis and help their prime ministers defy their duly constituted legislative authorities.
Kind of a white spy-man’s burden thing, I guess.
The secret illegal listening program Echelon was in place years before 2001. The secret illegal kidnapping, torture, murder, and other war crimes started after Sept. 11, and our most senior leaders proudly and defiantly insist the crimes will continue.
So when I meet someone – even in the cyber world – from my government’s national security world, I am afraid.
How can I distinguish national security professionals who will defend the Constitution from those who endorse and/or commit massive domestic spying, abductions, torture, secret imprisonment, and murder?
How can anyone in America know?
[PS - again, none of the above justifies or excuses my own lack of courtesy.]