Fitz!
Walsingham!

Timmeh is used to carrying water.

Timmah always struck me as the gullible but not quite retarted kid in school who always did everything he could to curry favor with the cool kids.

by weeks, I mean hours, of course

I think Timmeh fell for this because he didn’t want to look like he was out of the loop.

Nooooooo! My sources are impeccable! I am reporter of divine-like, blinding insight thanks to my wealth of connections, all of whom always tell me the truth!

Proof positive that Timmeh is just another hack in the Steno Pool!

If the spooks took Goss down, they have just started. It’s just that they never, ever leave fingerprints.

Bet Timmah aint gonna like this. An act of desperation by his soures. If I were Timmah, I would burn those sources on air.

But Timmah so wants to be cool kid he’ll probably wipe the jizz off his face and go on with his water carrying duties. How much more his producers can stand is another question.

CNN just reported that Bush has decided who the new CIA Director will be, but won’t announce until Monday or Tuesday.

… political salve, Would that be flavored?

russert’s on tv because he represents middle america: overweight & gullible

EPU’d from the last thread, it’s still pertinent, I think:

Jane Harman was interviewed on NPR’s “All Things Considered†tonight. She steered the interview away from the Watergate issues and said that the problems lay elsewhere, but wasn’t more specific than that, iirc. She also said that she was friends with Porter Goss, etc., etc.

I’m not sure what to make of this. I’m an east-coaster and don’t know much about Harman. I read her Kos entries but don’t really get a sense of much. There are so many things going on here, there are a million angles…

Can’t wait for Timmeh to ask Steven Bridges what it feels like to be a war president.

When my father-in-law was a kid, there was a mentally challenged young man who used to follow him and his friends around. Everytime they would do something that looked like fun, he would say “Boy do! Boy do!”

Timmeh “Boy do!” Russert.

Bush motto: Control the message.

How? Control the messenger. That photo of Timmah should show the strings attached to him being controlled by an unseen hand.

Fucking puppets.

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landreau #169 – Jane Harman is none too popular in California at present and it looks as if another Dem is going to challenge her seat.
She leans too far to the right for a lot of people and, as have many others, she’s been in DC too long and has been feeling far too secure there.

Go home, Tim. You’ve typed enough. Make love to your wife.

*ilson46201 says:
May 5th, 2006 at 2:53 pm

Would Walsingham be Francis Walsingham, Queen Elizabeth I’s spy chief?

cdj, my apologies. Looks like your speculation re: MAry McCarthy may be correct after all.”>Gilliard gives a nice history reminder of how Profumo went down thanks to “tarts toffs and traitors.”

“If Goss was banging hookers, it’s a lot more of a concern than just mere corruption. Let’s just say Bush had to accept his resignation, because Goss had to resign.”

Jane is Mrs. Harmon-Kardon (big money) and is a real D.L.C. type

oops. here’s the Gilliard link.

It’s interesting to read the take from outside the country:

Times Online:

In recent days the CIA has come under an ethics cloud after its No 3 official, Kyle “Dusty†Foggo, became the subject of the FBI’s investigation into Randy “Duke†Cunningham, the former Republican congressman who was jailed this year for taking bribes from defence contractors.

FBI officials said this week that they were looking into allegations that one of the defence contractors provided Cunningham with prostitutes in Washington hotel suites.

Mr Foggo, an old friend of Mr Goss, admitted this week that he had attended poker games arranged by the defence contractor in Washington hotels, but that he had engaged in no improper conduct.

and

But he has been met with resignations of veteran CIA officials, dissatisfaction in the middle ranks and the perception that disarray at the CIA has grown. “I believe the agency is on a very even keel, sailing well,†Mr Goss said after Mr Bush accepted his resignation.

landreau 13

I heard that interview also. I thought it was despicable. She made the comment emphasizing that she is friends with Goss and his wife in response to the hookergate allegations. The NPR reporter was clueless, there are so many things which should have been brought in … such as the whole Wilkes/Foggo/Cunningham situation. Etc.

As though a self-respecting rethug would ever return the “favor.” She is living in a pre-1994 (the era of Newt) mindset.

Looks like it’s time for Timmeh to ease up on the koolaid.

#15 . . . OK I’m at work now Stop making me laugh like an idiot!! :)

Though you have to give Tim credit.

I mean, the resignation was effective immediately with no replacement. By cruel, cruel random luck it pops up last week that Goss may have spent the last decade at corruption-and-hooker parties.

So it only makes logical sense to a typer-of-announcements-that-have-been-decided-on that this had been in the works for weeks.

yup, Walsingham! was an homage to Queen Elizabeth One’s spy chief from back in the days when spy chiefs were spy chiefs … kinda like Feliks Dzerzhinsky

don’t know if anyone saw this but raw story is reporting that libby has made it clear they will be calling karl rove

no big surprise

however indicating this strategy is intended to send a message to the white house and let them know they are about to get thrown under the bus

Now, that we’ve got the hooker jokes out of the way (ok, yeah, the hooker jokes are just too entertaining to go away in anything less than a few weeks, but) we really should consider some alternate possibilities.

The one thing that strikes me as curious, is who leaked the suspicions about Goss & whoring in the first place? And why? And finally, amazing how closely to Goss’s actual resignation that rumor was floated, haina?

Yes, this is leaning into tin-foil territory, but consider the people we’re dealing with.

Basically, I’m wondering whether anyone else thinks the Goss & the hookers story was disseminated to complicate and / or foreclose certain responses or actions Goss might have otherwise taken to protect himself.

It seems likely that Goss is somehow implicated in Watergate II, but I don’t think we should foreclose the possibility that the hooker story is a psyops rumor to generate just the kind of speculative frenzy we’re all now engaged in.

It may be that it’s covering up or distracting from something even more embarrassing to the Bush administration.

I confess, I can’t imagine what could be *more* embarrassing for the Bushies unless it’s a WH senior official implicated in Watergate II, and I fail to see how a Goss & the hookers rumor would help cover up such an occurrence.

Still, the timing of the rumor seems peculiar, and could just as equally suggest a propaganda attack as an actual leak.

Don’t know for sure, of course. Just throwing it out there for everyone else to think about and comment upon.

Watching PBS- Leher which is doing a segment on Goss.

NO MENTION OF FORNIGATE!

What tools!

Glad I stopped giving to them.

Karl Rove’s D-Day . . . Friday May 12

Start the countdown!

The number in the picture he is pointing at, Is that how many people believe what he says?

What if the prostitutes were CIA plants to catch Goss and get him to resign?

Russ hearts Goss

Any connection to McGovern’s ambush of Rummy yesterday? If this is an internal revolt over the way intel’s being “managed” in the GWB administration, might there also have been a shot fired across Rummy’s bow to broaden the front?

Just idly speculating on a Friday afternoon.

I have May 12 in the pool on Rove also.

Plus, that’s the day when we’ll know for sure if Nelson’s Florida Senate challenger is Tits McGee or not.

via Laura Rozen at http://warandpiece.com :
I hear that when Porter Goss went to meet with Negroponte today, he didn’t know he was going to be leaving the job. And that it would have been the President’s decision, not Negroponte’s. And that this may have to do with how Goss handled a management issue concerning Foggo. And perhaps with a tie in to HIPSI. And I hear that Fran Townsend has already been approached about taking Goss’s job — and turned it down. And I hear that agency folks are worried this is the end of the Agency as they know it — Pentagon role over intelligence will only increase. “I think there’s another shoe to drop,” said one source. Justin Rood has more on this.

To paraphrase the famous Nixon quote:
“Timmeh said it; that makes it so.”

FYI to all.

Raw Story is currently overloaded.

It comes up with an “Currently awaiting resolution….” error.

russert’s on tv because he represents middle america: overweight & gullible

i assume you posted that as snark, but i’ve often wondered if there wsn’t something to that. he’s not a journalist, he’s certainly no intellectual, nor sophisticated in international affairs. he’s never broken any significant stories. so what else is it, than that he’s a teevee mirror of couch potato america.

JGabriel @ 3:10 pm (#31) – Take a peek at Josh Marshall’s guess and at TPM Muckraker’s page on Goss. The story that emerges is that Foggo knew that Goss attended those poker/hooker parties (because Foggo was also there) and that Foggo used this knowledge to get himself promoted at the CIA. Negroponte, or someone he works for, told Goss to fire Foggo, which Goss then refused to do. Goss resigned.

While there are certainly questions yet to be answered, this is an explanation that fits the facts.

Oh NOW I see . . . it’s the Bush v. Gore electoral votes tally! Ugh!

BTW, what does everyone think of the possibility of Gore running again?

I kind of like the idea of his running on a (probably losing) environmental platform, just to make his case.

And would vastly prefer him to Kerry, for example.

I absolutley don’t believe they’ve had control of this for weeks, in Negroponte’s office or at the WH.
BUT: I don’t think Goss’s statement proves otherwise. I think that “This morning, I notified the President that I will be stepping aside as Director of CIA.” means that he wrote or typed his resignation letter this morning and either handed it or couriered it to the WH immediately. I think it’s that narrow.

Resigned by “mutual agreement” = Fired

cathy: “What if the prostitutes were CIA plants to catch Goss and get him to resign?”

Possible, but not likely.

Were that the case, you would think the story would have come out much earlier, both in the Cunningham case and in Goss’s.

So, what about Foggo? Is he going to resign too?

Andrea Mitchell’s apologetic explanation of Goss’s demise left me fulminating. She is has a three-prong plug attached directly from the wurlitzer.

I heard Jane Harmon on NPR too, and she said that speculation of Goss’s resignation had been the buzz “for weeks,” and added without provocation, that the speculation “pre-dates the parties.”

curiouser and curiouser.

I’d sure like to see someone asking questions on 1) if Foggo is still working for CIA, and 2) what is happening wiht security clearances of both Foggo and GOss.

I guess that it would be “irresponsible” to ask those kinds of questions though?

Plame and Abramoff get all the press, but the Cunningham case has been handled so quietly and tight, they make Fitzgerald&Co look chatty.

I like the “I know who it will be and I’m going to announce it next week” take from the President. It reminds me a bit of “uh huh, I do to know the answer, I just don’t wanna tell you now, maybe I will next week.”

So when is Laura scheduled to come out and explain today’s news to the populace? Any ideas on how she’ll explain “prostitues or hookers” to the fundies?

My first thought when I heard this today was that it had something to do with Ray McGovern’s shut-down of Rumsfeld.

“I refuse to render him unto Syria! I’ll quit first!”
OK, so I’m given to flights of fancy. But that is one view, anyway.

What if foreign spys set up the hidden cameras at the Watergate? Aren’t all those limo drivers Ay-rabs or something? They’re gonna have to spin reeeeeelllyy fast on this one.

Negroponte has been talking about it with the Preznit for awhile…

Neg: And here’s a picture of Porter with Candy…

Prez: Oh, my…

Neg: And here’s the photo of Porter with Tammy…

Prez: Goodness!

Neg: And this one is the photo of Porter with Tammy AND Candy…

Gore would make a brilliant candidate. He is an intelligent, well-spoken, experienced grown-up and better yet, he is CLEAN. If the rethugs could find anything on him at all, they would’ve by now.

Whoa – From Wonkette.

“Something happened,†neo-conservative magazine editor William Kristol said on Fox News this afternoon. “It’s going to be a bad few days. We’re going to discover something … It will be something not good for the Bush Administration.â€

Fox News actually got a phone call from a “top White House official†during Kristol’s damning comments, and Kristol was cut off so Bush mouthpiece Chris Wallace could say the Goss resignation is just a harmless part of the “White House shakeup.†Sure.

Hold on to your a**, boys and girls.

Cujo59: “Take a peek at Josh Marshall’s guess and at TPM Muckraker’s page on Goss. The story that emerges is that Foggo knew that Goss attended those poker/hooker parties (because Foggo was also there) and that Foggo used this knowledge to get himself promoted at the CIA. Negroponte, or someone he works for, told Goss to fire Foggo, which Goss then refused to do. Goss resigned.”

Thanks, Cujo. That seems a likely scenario to me as well.

OTOH, just to be contratrian, you’d expect a psyops / propaganda to have a similiar cover story. Makes me wonder which sources Josh is getting this info from.

And now that I think about it, Goss resigning rather than firing Foggo? Where’s the motivation for that? Foggo gets fired either way, why should Goss refuse to do it himself and offer up his position instead?

Something doesn’t compute in that scenario.

Having photos or footage of Goss partying seems a more likely reason to force his resignation.

Mark Shields on PBS talking about “ladies of the night” how PBSish of him.

Brooks tut tuts it. Nothing to see here, move on. . .

hungrycoyote #10 CNN just reported that Bush has decided who the new CIA Director will be, but won’t announce until Monday or Tuesday.

If that’s true, it means we’ll get another poorly-vetted unqualified hack, just so Bush can keep up the pretense that this wasn’t unplanned. Sigh…

Just tuned in from all-day meetings, so I haven’t had time to read all comments re: Goss. I assume that there have to be confirmation hearings? And I read the part about “Bush knows who he’s gonna appoint, but won’t tell til Monday” rather cynically- is he scrambling to find someone? Meanwhile, who’s in charge? Thx.

Mary 51

There you go again, engaging in “wild speculation.”

Mary @ 3:28 pm (#51) – Funny how that works. Usually, getting caught with hookers is enough to get one’s clearance revoked. Apparently, we need an investigation first, which I’m sure Senator Roberts will get around to real soon now.

Anyone else get the feeling that panicked WH sources are trying to spike the WP story?

Redshift (60)

That gives Stephen Colbert three days to get his audition tape ready!

This would seem to fit the winger M.O.-dirty backroom deals,no problem.Selling out to highest bidding lobbyist,no sweat.Any type of reprehensible action,its cool.But what is this???NO,NOT SEX!!!This cannot be tolerated.We shall smite thee,foul sinner,for thee has been caught!

I certainly applaud the Goss resignation. But I’m not going to lose sight of what the real targets should be. Bush and Cheney. All this window dressing reminds of the Nixon days and the Agnew, Haldeman, and Erlichman resignations. All to protect the president. To no avail. We’re being served appetizers. My appetite is almost insatiable. And will only be satisfied with the full course Bush menu including all the Bushian sycophant a la cartes.

Idle supposition:
Goss has been an operator for years…Big lapse of elementary tradecraft if he was drawn into compromise by Foggo, but maybe Wilkes felt he had no choice but to stop with the ‘wink-wink’ quid pro quo and lean on Goss hard to save his own skin.

Ed Rollins on Dobbs just used the word “Hookergate” on cable TV

JGabriel @ 3:33 pm (#58) – I’m sure that Foggo would have had more than just his word to back up blackmail of a senior CIA executive.

Ed Rollins just said on CNN: “Hookergate is coming.”

Hardball followed up with that Goss had been fired. Very chuckly about the firing, Noron is a waste.

anon says:
May 5th, 2006 at 3:36 pm

Anyone else get the feeling that panicked WH sources are trying to spike the WP story?
_____

CODE BROWN boxers & briefs shitstains mode at the Bush Imperial Palace at the moment, I would imagine. The Neatest, Bestest President Ever is getting his due.

JGabriel (#31):

well worthy of consideration.

(”the owls are not what they seem….)

and agent cooper is still dreaming.

Even if it is just a power strugle between Negraponte and Goss, that shows termoil in the WH.

Caution: Bumpy Road Ahead
By Charlie Cook
© National Journal
This column was originally featured on NationalJournal.com on May 2, 2006

There is growing evidence that Republicans will face a voter turnout problem in the November midterm elections.

The GOP faces not only enormous misgivings among voters about the war in Iraq, which amounts to 70 or 80 percent of President Bush’s problems, but also a combination of Social Security, mounting budget deficits, Hurricane Katrina, Harriet Miers, port security, immigration, gasoline prices and various scandals. History tells us that when one party is either complacent or disillusioned, and the other party is highly motivated, agitated or angry, the results can be devastating to the former while providing boundless opportunities for the latter.

A new Cook Political Report/RT Strategies national survey of 1,003 adults, conducted Thursday through Sunday, showed 36 percent approving of the job Bush is doing and 59 percent disapproving. The results were virtually the same among registered voters. The poll has a 3.1-point error margin.

Studies show that voters in Bush-friendly red states drive significantly more miles each month than those in blue states, and it’s a pretty logical assumption that gasoline usage is much greater in the predominately suburban, rural and small town congressional districts most often represented by Republicans, than in more compact, urban districts usually held by Democrats. That means the longer gasoline prices remain high, the worse it will be for GOP candidates.

It is clear that these issues have taken a toll. RT Strategies, headed by Thom Riehle, a veteran Democratic pollster, and Lance Tarrance, one of the pioneering pollsters on the Republican side, found that when respondents were asked which party they would like to see in control of Congress after these elections, Democrats had an advantage of 11 points among all adults, 48-37 percent, 12 points among registered voters, 49-37 percent, and 17 points among the most likely voters, 53-36 percent.

In the other variation of what has come to be known as the generic congressional ballot test, when people were asked whether they planned on voting for the Democratic candidate for Congress or the Republican, Democrats led by 12 points among adults, 44-32 percent; by 13 points among registered voters, 45-32 percent; and by a whopping 18 points among those most likely to vote, 50-32 percent.

Simply put, there are a lot of Republicans who are showing little interest in this election, which matches a downward trend that has been seen in party identification over the last two years. The two parties are no longer evenly matched.

(From Cook’s Political Report)

O K 67,

Sure this is just the appetizer. We’re drinking cheap bubbly tonight. We’re saving the good stuff for the big ones.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the cheap stuff right now.

And I hear that agency folks are worried this is the end of the Agency as they know it — Pentagon role over intelligence will only increase.

Bastards. Goss openly said that it was important for CIA personnel to support the administration’s policies, like Rumsfeld has forced the Pentagon intelligence apparatus to do, and he was apparently conducting polygraph witch-hunts to root out dissenters and non-Republicans. If they use his downfall as an excuse for a Pentagon takeover to further this goal, it would be appalling but not surprising. They can be awfully single-minded as long as it’s for their own benefit. If only they had any interest in the country’s well-being…

In case anyone was wondering what further damage the Bushies could do if they don’t have the clout to start a war, it looks like they could spend the next three years turning all our intelligence agencies into yes-men and political operatives, with predictable effects on our ability to detect actual threats.

Hookergate,I love it!Let’s all hitch a ride on the wingnut express,going dowwwnnnn….

Snark aside,we’ve still got work to do.

All Hail, Hookergate and Fitzmas!

Boy I’m looking forward to next week!

My bet is that Goss left because of a new blip in the screen about TORTURE. I see on NYT an article about US officials meeting with UN today about torture; Dana Priest is supposed to have an article up in the am and she is the go to girl for the Renditions and then I also see a piece up about new AbuGrab revelations. Spectre is waving his sword about the signing statements, including McCain’s torture bill and we haven’t heard much from the LA Times who retrieved the flash memory chips from Afghanistan with all the torture directions, pictures and of course Intelligence operatives personal info. Yup, Torture, that’s my bet.

itwasntme (#54):

moussad maybe?

#76 Oooooo I love the idea of all those red state repubs having to pay the piper for putting the oil barons, Bush, Cheney & Co., in office!

Karma’s a beeeee-ach!

Slothrop: “Neg: And this one is the photo of Porter with Tammy AND Candy…”

Pres: (turns head to side, pauses, turns head to other side) Is that…?

Neg: Yes, sir.

Pres: (wearing a perplexed expression) Kinda big, innit?

Neg: Um, no sir, not really. According to the analysts, it’s a bit on the small side.

Pres: Oh. (Looks down. Looks up. Looks downcast)

(Pause)

Oh.

Neg: And this one is a photo of Porter with Jeff, I mean James, I mean… well, you know who I’m talking about.

Pres: Ewww….

(pause)

Ok. You can’t tell me —

Neg: Yes, you’re right sir. That one is a standard deviation above the average.

Pres: That’s a relief. Thought it looked deviant.

Neg: (doubletake, pauses momentarily in disbelief) Uh… yes, sir. Will there be anything else?

Pres: (still looking a bit disturbed) Nah… wait. Just make Laura never those pictures. Especially that last one. Classify it or something. Freaks.

LOL Bobby “B” #73, methinks we’re getting mighty close to CODE FUCHSIA.

CNN finally has Goss as its lead story, after going with Kennedy all afternoon. The story is basically stenography, but it does feature this money statement:

Former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr agreed with Turner’s speculation and added, “I think there’s going to be more coming out; we don’t know the whole story.”

So now it’s Hookers eh…

Any speculation about gender or race..

Videos of goopers playin hide the sausage with underaged black male hookers would be tough for gooper voters ta swallow- eh?

#81 Wouldn’t it be nice if we lived in a world where people cared more about torture than hookers?

Whatever brings the b*stards down works for me . . .

usually the Post waits til after midnight to post new articles although if the story is hot and the NYTimes is barking at its heels, it’ll post biggies early in the evening before.
so what kind of wafer will the Priest be offering and when?

From Porter Goss’ resignation letter, courtesy TPM Muckraker:

When the President asked me to become the last DCI, I fully recognized and embraced the challenge of leading this Agency through historic change, not just for the CIA, but the entire Intelligence Community. It was my desire to lead the CIA — this is where I started my career, and where I always wanted to return.

Might just be a case of Goss being in too much of a hurry to choose his words carefully, but it’s also interesting in view of the changes in the intelligence establishment.

One thing of note from the Harmon NPR interview–she said the atmosphere/morale was very low and that over “300 years” of experience walked out the door or retired due to Goss.

Crotchless flightsuit….Damn you for that. Lol.

RevDeb at #23

Profumo! Good call! Ties in with Timmeh carrying water.

“He would, wouldn’t he?”

fwiw, Justin Rood says his sources are telling him the same thing as Timmeh’s–that this has been rumbling around the underground gossip network for weeks now, in large part because a bunch of Goss’s aides were out shopping for new jobs themselves.

mainsailset @ 3:45 pm (#81) – In general, Bush Administration officials haven’t shown much concern over this sort of thing, but anything’s possible, I suppose.

No matter the political climate,I’m shure Bob Shrum will always find a way for the Dems to lose.Not hire him?Yeah,right.

funny that black male hookers should be mentioned: we just finished a primary campaign here where allegedly one figured on the staff of a campaign … who says Indianapolis is all white-bread?

anon: “Anyone else get the feeling that panicked WH sources are trying to spike the WP story?”

Actually, it sounds like they already tried and failed. Goss’s resignation slash firing may be pre-emptive response to the WP story they know is coming out tomorrow.

Leslie in CA – That may mean that they’re both being spun by the same source.

By everyone’s reaction today, I doubt anyone of consequence saw this coming.

PeteCo

Profumo not my call, but Steve Gilliard’s. He’s one of my regular have to check-in-with blogs. He writes good too.

Bustednuckles @ 3:51 pm (#92) – Never wore a flight suit, but if they’re anything like coveralls a crotchless version doesn’t sound like such a bad idea (as long as one’s underwear isn’t also crotchless).

When Goss meets Vito in New Hampshire, will he order the short or tall stack of johnny cakes?

Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip…

Guess GeeW better hurry up with the Bomb Iran thingy.

rw (#87)

goopers don’t swallow!

Brian Williams just did a fluff story on how Rumsfeld is having a better day today than yesterday–showed him singing along at an armed services appreciation day service–joked about his lack of rhythm, but, gee, glad he’s having a better day today and no rude hecklers in the crowd. Words fail me.

Does anyone know what
“Currently awaiting resolution….” mean?
What a horrible time for Raw Story to be down.

As for the York article: “Team Libby says they have five witnesses who will say under oath that Joe Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”
Oh please please please let one of them be Jeffy Gannon taking one for the team. I’d fly down to Washington and stand in line for days to watch the cross examination.

One thing of note from the Harmon NPR interview–she said the atmosphere/morale was very low and that over “300 years†of experience walked out the door or retired due to Goss.

ok folks, tinfoil time: the exit of experienced spooks, the current low morale and upheaval there sets the stage for another attack — due to an intelligence failure that can conveniently be blamed on goss.

Leslie in CA @ 3:52 pm (#94) – That part I believe. There almost certainly would be rumblings, particularly after the McCarthy firing. What I don’t believe is that they expected Goss to resign, at least not this quickly.

“fwiw, Justin Rood says his sources are telling him the same thing as Timmeh’s–that this has been rumbling around the underground gossip network for weeks now, in large part because a bunch of Goss’s aides were out shopping for new jobs themselves. “

That is not what Timmeh said though. Rood is saying it was Foggo plus a bunch of other problems. Timmeh implied it was only Negroponte.

“CNN just reported that Bush has decided who the new CIA Director will be, but won’t announce until Monday or Tuesday.”

In true Bush Administration style he will name Dusty Foggo to take over for Goss.

Cujo359 (#95) Color me hopeful that we’ll have a nexis moment where the immorality of the CIA tortures come together and outflank a hooker comeupance. Well, I wouldn’t mind hearing that Goss was caught with Jeff Gannon in the Watergate. Sigh.

Brian Williams proudly proclaimed that he listens to Rush every day. Kool-aid kid. Jennings must be rollin’ over in his grave.

mainsailset: “My bet is that Goss left because of a new blip in the screen about TORTURE.”

Wow. That is a good guess. I think you may be right.

It would explain wanting to float a hooker story, if that’s what the administration did, in order to distract from issues regarding torture and rendition.

I give it a 50/50 chance of being the real reason for Goss’s resignation, with soliciting / corruption being the other 50%.

Cujo359, From last thread, Can’t shake the awful mental picture.

GSD says:
May 5th, 2006 at 1:43 pm

Goss: “So, do you come to orgies often?â€

Foggo: “When things are slow.â€

Goss: “Nice unit.â€

Foggo: “I can thank Bob Dole for that.â€

Goss: “Who’s the dude in the crotchless flightsuit?â€

Foggo: “That’s the Duke. He likes to watch.â€

Goss: “High five dudes, this is the best.â€

-GSD

If the spooks brought down Goss, this would be the first “CIA conspiracy” where I’d be on the agency’s side.

#105–I feel so relieved that poor Rummy is not having to face the ruthless mob today. Thanks goodness. They’re doing their best you know.

#110 ROFLMAO

You guys crack me up!!

Bustednuckles@ 4:05 pm (#114) – I stand corrected, hopefully without exposing anything ;)

moi, curious in Texas is at work and can’t post, IM’d me to say: “Raw Story’s lead was “new Abu G___ story…. developing… before their site crashed”
(P.S. I owe you an email, my file upload hasn’t been working for some strange reason, I’ll try again)

And, hors d’ oeurvres fits in with ForniGate better doesn’t it.

#105 ljt,
I nearly hurled in the middle of dinner when I saw that piece of suck up to Rummy on Brian Williams’ newscast. He really hammered the attacks on Rummy last night — no doubt NBC news got threatened today with no more access, thus the suck up waste of air time tonight.

moi: “Does anyone know what ‘Currently awaiting resolution…’ means?”

Usually the word ‘resolution’ indicates a DNS (ie, IP address lookup) problem.

However, since it’s only Raw Story, and since everyone is getting the error, instead of only those who go through a specific provider, it’s probably a database problem.

In other words, the database is receiving too many requests to resolve them all. Ergo, overload.

Pollkatz consolidated poll graph updated to May 1
http://www.pollkatz.homestead……age001.gif
developing…
downward…
dive…
continues.
Think this will help?
Next Sunday pundit crisis theme:
Can the WH spin get out to the public through the chaos and confusion?

Also, it’s extremely IMPORTANT NEWS for Americans to know that Rummy had a good day. Thank you, Brian Williams.

More on the Generals

Govexec.com

“The matter of Rumsfeld v. the Generals bears close scrutiny. …

[…]

Given the nearly unprecedented nature of the controversy, what is perhaps most remarkable is how utterly unsurprising it is to anyone who has spent time with senior military officers … or especially on the ground in Iraq. The fact that the Army chief of staff came out of retirement … after sources say at least three active-duty generals declined it, … speak volumes about the frayed state of civil-military relations in today’s Pentagon.

Practically from the moment they first occupied the E Ring, Rumsfeld and his tight circle of senior aides demonstrated a dismissive attitude that has grated on uniformed leaders.”

Hmmm . . . new Abu G story fits w/the speculation upthread about torture . . .

Libby Loses Bid for Documents in CIA Case

WASHINGTON – A federal judge refused on Friday to give I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby access to a wide range of information from several government agencies, saying he would not allow the former White House aide’s trial in the CIA leak case to become a debate over the war in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..e/cia_leak

moi @ 3:59 pm (#106) – In this case, it means “waiting for the site administrator to fix whatever is broken”. JGabriel’s guess about a database problem is plausible, or it could be that the PHP or Perl module crashed and can’t get back up.

#122 re: poll graph: It looks like a party with confetti!

re: Sunday talk shows: buckle your seat belts, it will be all hookers, all the time

Oh, brother, I take a day to actually breathe air and what happens????? Off With Their Heads!!!
(NSA monitor- it’s a form of speech)

My ears almost caught on fire when I turned on the radio. NPR is very namby-pamby and is not mentioning anything but shake-up. I am not surprised, the piece on UN and torture was limp, like a wet teabag.

All props to Patrick Kennedy for admitting he is powerless and going into treatment. If anyone hears Limbaugh bashing him, e-mail KO immediately.

Is Gyro Gear around????

Is this new? Seems to have hit the wires about an hour ago:

“WASHINGTON – A federal judge refused on Friday to give I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby access to a wide range of information from several government agencies, saying he would not allow the former White House aide’s trial in the CIA leak case to become a debate over the war in Iraq.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld…..512211.htm

RevDeb #77

Yeah, I’ll drink the “cheap bubbly tonight” too! We deserve it! But I don’t think I’ll get too high. I want to get drunk on the rare vintage and more expensive (im)peach(ment) brandy.

Zenn, Didn’t miss anything here today. Just another slow news day.

Digby is cracking me up! Sez….

Paul Begala pointed out that if this is true then Goss is unpatriotic for abruptly stomping off in a huff instead of waiting for Bush to find a replacement. After all, these are troubled times in the American intelligence community. You’d think that he and Negroponte could have contained their pissing match for the good of the country. Why does Porter Goss hate America?

bkny: “ok folks, tinfoil time: the exit of experienced spooks, the current low morale and upheaval there sets the stage for another attack — due to an intelligence failure that can conveniently be blamed on goss.”

That would be spectacularly stupid. Unbelievably. So I guess that means it’s just the kind of thing the Bushies might do.

If so, the American people will probably demand Bush’s resignation.

After all, it’s one thing to say nothing like this terror attack ever happened before, so how could we plan for it?

It’s absolutely another to come back five years later and say it happened again because the intelligence services are in even worse shape. Who’s fault is that?

Taken as a whole, much of the country may be uneducated, ignorant, and reactionary, but we’re not THAT stupid.

Oh, and you guys are the snarkiest today, read as much as I could. Between Goss and Gannon, bad news for Libby and the Russians response to Cheney’s nasty self, it’s been quite a day. I need to go to Gorilla/Mark and hear his thoughts on the disgusting murder of the young boy. Is there anything else I missed in my skim?

Interesting…Sanje Gupta (sp), medical expert on CNN, telling Wolf that yes, it is possible, on the drug Kennedy said he was taking, to sleepwalk – others have reported taking the same drug before bed and waking up in jail.

Zenn, the biggest news today was that Noron asked a follow-up question.

Cozumel says:
May 5th, 2006 at 4:15 pm

What do you think of this excerpt from that story?

The judge also seemed to be leaning toward denying a defense request for documents Fitzgerald has related to the activities of White House adviser Karl Rove, who remains under investigation and will be a defense witness if the prosecutor doesn’t call him to testify.

If Rove is indicted, how can he appear as a witness for either side? Is someone trying to force Team Fitz to disclose Rove’s status now or disclose that he may have flipped?

Thanks for the info, I was getting a little concerned. I’ve never seen that at RwStry before.

BTW Shez, no worries. I’m pretty patient for a gemini ;-)

Can I just say Oh, my God. I just got home and heard the news. Can someone pass me some smelling salts because I think I’m going to faint from excitement!! This is just too good to be true.

Nothing quite like having the head of the CIA involved in compromising activity that could ultimately be used as blackmail against him. What a total idiot!! These people are patriots? These people want LEAKERS prosecuted??? Please, Porter, you’re killing me!

a question, did tim say that his sources told him this has been in the works for weeks or that he’s been hearing from his sources for weeks that this was in the works? if it was the former and not the latter (and it’s actually true), then all tim has really done is confirm how out of the loop he is. you would think he would be a bit more skeptical of the story, if only to preserve his own reputation.

MAtt O.: “If the spooks brought down Goss, this would be the first ‘CIA conspiracy’ where I’d be on the agency’s side.”

Nah, second at least. I’m sure you’d agree that the agency’s ‘conspiracy’ to blame Iraq on policy failures rather than intelligence failures was a good thing too.

Props to emptywheel for catching the “this morning.” IMO Goss has some significant dirt on the WH. I’m speculating that Porter leveraged that dirt into the hastily scheduled photop with Bush today, because he wanted to establish a “public relations safety net” below which Rove the WH spin machine would not go below to slime him. Perhaps the WH has learned some facts lately? This would support Goss’ use of “this morning.” If facts come out, he wants a clear record that Bush knew these facts prior to the photo op. The fact that the photo op took place today with no warning, suggests that Goss had given the WH an ultimatum, “either I (Goss) get my resignation photo op by Friday, May 5, or I begin leaking. The unscheduled resignation photo op in turn suggests that the WH felt sufficiently threatened by Goss that they had to capitulate both to Goss’ request for the photo op, but also to the urgency, today. WAG Alert (wild ass guess).
Whatever the truth is, imo Goss’ “this morning” is very significant.”

Noron??? YOu’re joking, surely. Tele-prompter?

I think so.

BTW, You may be interested to see what Larry Johnson has to say about Ray McGovern’s slamming Rummy yesterday

Larry ’s post

and his cohort SusanUnPC has a nice piece on Goss

Susan’s post

More on Limo owner and Foggo:

http://tpmmuckraker.com/

Libby raised $5 million for his “defense”.

I think he handed it over to his lawyers and said “make a general nuisance of yourselves”- and they have.

e.c. 141 and if it is the latter, then why didn’t he do his job and report it?

John Casper says: “IMO Goss has some significant dirt on the WH.”
May 5th, 2006 at 4:30 pm

Do you want to hazard any guesses as to what the significant dirt might be?

What If It Isn’t the Hookers?
by emptywheel
“Good thing we have all corruption all the time sites out there, so we can stay on top of the latest gossip and spin as soon as it comes out. TPMuckraker now says….”

Libby got slapped down and the noose just got tighter. Go Fitzgerald, GO!

Porter? Foggo?

Where do these names come from?

And the hits keep on coming:

Limo Outfit’s Owner Lawyers Up – and Up – and Up
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000572.php

Probably been said already but:

“Now, Wilkes has denied any involvement in this prostitution idea, but we do know that he did have some poker parties and that a very senior official at the CIA had been a guest at a few of those poker parties, a fellow by the name of Dusty Foggo, who is actually the number three at the CIA. There is an inspector general’s investigation at the CIA going on over Foggo’s appearance at those poker parties. And the CIA, I should say, has also come out to say that at no time did CIA director Porter Goss ever appear at one of those poker parties.”

“A CIA officer, Mary McCarthy, was fired Friday “for discussing operational intelligence matters with journalists,” the Washington Post reports…[McCarthy’s] last job at the CIA was in the office of Inspector General John L. Helgerson, who has a unique status at the agency….”

Connect the dots.

This is all just irresponsible speculation. In truth Goss resigned because he’d hired Bernie Kerik’s former nanny.

rwcole says:
May 5th, 2006 at 4:36 pm

Could Porter be a family name?

Dang,V.G. , Spooks spookin’ on spooks. That’s spooky.

Stephen—You mean family name as in “all my granddaddy’s were named “Porter”– or family name as in “Mah momma’s family was named “Porter”- an we didn’t wanna lose it cause they WEREN’T horse thieves”?

Muckraker reporting that the resignation has been “in the air” for weeks. The crescendo came in part because several of his close aides have found ways to leave the director’s office in the last few weeks, or put out feelers to find something new. “The whole group was out fishing” for new jobs, a former CIA official told me, “and the whole world knew it.”

Timmeh surely knew.

also, from other reporting there, the Republicans in Congress are calling out the Goss and Cunningham are naughty boys team— It’s the morality, stupid. This could be a very good thing for reform down the road.

110 – SNORT

Re: Russert and Rood:
Even if resumes have been shopped for a few weeks – you don’t have a Friday announcement with no one at the plate all weekend unless something unforeseen (or foreseen, but not on that time frame) hit. If Dana Priest is hinting that she has “stuff†for her story tomorrow, that adds meat – it could be knowing that her story is coming out alone that was the trigger?

I can’t buy that it is torture though, bc the country has been way blasé on torture, especially after all the lawyers lined up to say it was fineoknothingtoseehere (despite the *pat us on the back, we got the torture memo withdrawn as a position paper*). DOJ just took the position in front of Judge Kessler a couple months back (or maybe not that long even?) that it was ok to torture in GITMO, no jurisidiction, nanner nanner, and we have been okfinenothingtoseehere, with sentences of 60 days to 5 mos for torture murders of POWs (I don’t think you can call uniformed Iraqi officers taken “enemy combatants†even under the convoluted reasoning Gonzales put forth to “avoid charges under the War Crimes Act.â€) We’ve gone way too long with the public perception that everything done has been “legal†and I don’t think you can pop a scandal that will shake them on that now. I mean – what would it take?

Here is a painful wag to put forward. Maybe be resigned because he got wind of Bushco surprise coming down the turnpike and couldn’t swallow it. I’d prefer to think of how full lithesome lips like Porter’s are treated like candy in prison.

The CIA PR guy said on Hardball that if Goss were leaving because of Hookergate, they wouldn’t have put the Prez. on camera with him today. Makes sense.

Also, Jane postulates that they wouldn’t want to step on a drunk Kennedy story. But could they wat to bury it under/with the drunk K. story?

Ah- It’s DANA who has the story? She’s the one with the connection to McCarthy right? Could be interesting.

I got Wilson for a first name since my mother’s side had 3 daughters and the name would have ‘died out’ as a last name…’Porter’ could be the same kinda naming…

The big story on Hardball is “Did Kennedy get special treatment from the police”. I don’t remember this question when Cheney shot an old man in the face, neck and chest…

Is it feeling kind of “Watergate Massacre” again?
I’m getting that same sinking feeling again…

Mary, you’re doing it to me again. :)

rwcole says:
May 5th, 2006 at 4:41 pm

You mentioned two possible good answers to my question. Your answers lead me to this conjecture: Porter could have been the surname of some of his ancestors, and generations later, it could have become the first or middle name of some of his relatives.

And Jackal, you just made me throw up in my mouth.

Russert should have asked himself the obvious question: if this resignation had been in the planning stage for two weeks why wouldn’t Bush have said that himself? It would have lessened the complete surprise aspect.

Bush couldn’t have said that himself because most Americans don’t believe what Bush says anymore. So if you want to get a lie out in the public, and you can’t say it yourself, get someone else with better credibility to say it for you. For example, if you wanted to smear a former ambassador who was questioning the Iraq war intelligence, call up a reporter and tell him some lies. Maybe even mis-state something about the ambassador’s wife.

“One thing of note from the Harmon NPR interview–she said the atmosphere/morale was very low and that over “300 years†of experience walked out the door or retired due to Goss.”

hmm … that adds up to 20 fifteen-year-old boys.

about right.

Stephen- yes- and very elegantly stated. It could indeed.

Or maybe his momma was a fan of Cole Porter.

Stephen Parrish, CPA, thanks for your response.
I have no clue. My comment was based pretty much entirely on inferences from Goss’ “this morning,” and his speed of light scheduled and executed resignation photo op with Bush. Goss’ use of “this morning” suggests that he thought that that particular wording was necessary for his sake. It isn’t clear to me how “this morning,” works for the WH at any level. As others have already opined, Russert’s water carrying on this strongly implied that the WH really wanted to leave the false impression that the timeline was much longer.

Here’s my guess- the scandal is about money. Porter’s gettin a little long in the tooth- how much was he able to pack away as a congresscritter? Probably not enough to retire with the big boys. This was his last chance to score.

Fun with anagrams:
Porter Goss =
ROPERS TOGS
PRESSOR GOT
TROPE GROSS
TOSSER PROG
REP GO SORTS
REP GROSS TO
REPS GO SORT
REPS GO ROTS
PRESS GO ROT
STREP SORGO
RE GROSS TOP
ERR GO STOPS
ERR GO SPOTS
ERR GO POSTS
ERR GOT SOPS
ERRS GO SPOT
ERRS GO STOP
ERRS GO TOPS
ERRS GOT SOP
ERRS TOG SOP
REST GO PROS

Goss was born in 1938 in Waterbury, Connecticut. He attended Camp Timanous in Raymond, Maine and was educated at Fessenden, Hotchkiss and Yale University, where he majored in ancient Greek. (Goss also speaks Spanish and French). In his junior year at Yale, Goss was recruited by the CIA. He is also believed to have been a member of the Book and Snake (1960), a secret society at Yale. Immediately after graduating in 1960, he began serving in both the Army and the CIA in intelligence operations.

Goss spent much of the 1960s — roughly from 1960 until 1971 — working for the Directorate of Operations, the clandestine services of the CIA. There he first worked in Latin America and the Caribbean and later in Europe. The details are not known due to the classified nature of the CIA, but Goss has said that he had worked in Haiti, Santo Domingo, and Mexico.

Goss, who has said that he has recruited and trained foreign agents, worked in Miami for much of the time. It is speculated that there he took part in the recruitment of Cuban exiles and immigrants for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, which was crushed by Fidel Castro. Goss was also involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, telling the Washington Post in 2002 that he had done some “small-boat handling” and had “some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits.”

Towards the end of his career Goss was transferred to Europe. There his career as an officer ended in 1970, when he collapsed in his London hotel room because of a blood infection in his heart and kidneys. Goss says he does not know what happened, but says that he was not poisoned. Some sources now say that Goss suffered a staph infection. In any case, Goss’s health was severely damaged in the incident, and he retired from the CIA.

Mr. Goss is known to spend weekends on the exclusive summer colony of Fishers Island, off of New London, Ct.

Wikipedia

Bay of Pigs– how appropriate!

Situation Room just reporting that Rove is to be called as a witness for the defense. What does this mean?

in the movie “Nixon”, wasn’t he always whispering something about the Bay of Pigs…hmmmm?

OT Cozumel 126, here’s the WaPo take on the Walton story: Court Dubious on Libby’s Document Request.

“I’ve got a tough haul in front of this jury, and I need paper,” Wells told the judge yesterday. But Walton said he did not “buy in on the proposition.”

rwcole @ 4:52 pm (#171) – Interesting idea, and it isn’t contradicted by anything I can think of. Of course, there’s really no evidence to suggest it’s actually true, either. McCarthy’s work in the IG’s office is about the only thing that seems to suggest it as a possibility.

Russert should have asked himself the obvious question: if this resignation had been in the planning stage for two weeks why wouldn’t Bush have said that himself? It would have lessened the complete surprise aspect.

the most salient point made by someone earlier that totally disproves the ‘been in the works for weeks’ is that there’s no way in hell karl rove would have stepped into the headlines in the middle of two days of kennedy bashing. that story would have dominated the news through the weekend at a minimum and fredo desperately needs the misdirection.

Oh yay, another Walsingham fan. Do you realize that best price for Conyers Read’s 3 volume jobby is $290?

Keith O just asked the horrible question: did Goss turn the CIA into another FEMA?

This is a follow up the story linked from PJ Evans re: the FCC’s attempt to have global wiretap ok’s for broadband.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/tel…..Ntcm5ld3M-

The issue of whether the government can force broadband Internet service providers to give law enforcement authorities access for surveillance purposes was being heard in front of the DC Circuit Ct (yep – go back threads to the Kavanaugh hearing coming up – he’s in for the DC Circuit) . Seems like the panel was a bit split.

One of the three judges hearing the case called the government’s rationale for the surveillance requirement “gobbledygook,” and another also expressed reservations.
. . .
“Your argument makes no sense,” Edwards told Jacob Lewis, an associate general counsel with the FCC.
“I’m sorry I’m not making myself clear,” Lewis said.
“You’re making yourself very clear. That’s the problem,” Edwards replied.
One of the other two justices on the panel, David Sentelle, expressed more sympathy for the government’s argument, especially regarding the idea of extending the surveillance requirements to Internet phone service. But Sentelle also sounded skeptical about the FCC’s position on broadband services.

What about the third judge on the panel?

The third judge, Janice Brown, did not question the lawyers.

Re Walsingham, is that the snake Geoff Rush played in a recent Elizabeth movie? I think it’s great we can get 400 year old news at FDL.

Keith is going to bring up something from todays hearing about how Scooter was warned in July 2003 about the dangers inherent in releasing Mrs. Wilson’s name. What’s this about?

thewheezer says:
May 5th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Situation Room just reporting that Rove is to be called as a witness for the defense. What does this mean?
———————————————————-
It means that Libby thinks that Rove planted a knife in his back, and he wants to see the transcripts of Rove’s Grand Jury appearances.

Mary? Why does that name ring a bell?

The one with Cate Blanchett?

John Roberts of CNN seems to be the only one there alluding to the Goss/Foggo/Wilkes connection with hookergate.

Everytime I see John Roberts in a suit I giggle a bit, I used to love him when he was JD Roberts, Muchmusic VeeJay in the 80’s.
Ah, good times.

Walsingham indeed was Elizabeth’s spy chief back in the days when spy chiefs were chiefs of spies!

Wapo – updated at 7:03

“In a written statement issued separately by the CIA, Goss said, “This morning, I notified the president that I will be stepping aside as director of CIA.” He said he would remain at the agency “over the next few weeks” to “ensure a smooth and professional transition.” “

I thought his resignation was effective immediately. Begala was making a big deal of this today. Has it been “revised”?

Porter is giving up the top job at CIA but will hang around the building to show his replacement where the secret decoder rings are hidden, what trees the messages are hidden in, how to use lemon juice to make invisible ink, etc.

Walsingham was responsible for Mary Stuart losing her head.

rw, wiki says Goss is worth over 16million from Florida real estate deals. Adds an interesting touch, yes?

Urban Pirate @ 5:18 pm (#192) – From the TPM Muckraker’s copy of Goss’ resignation letter:

Over the next few weeks, I will be here to ensure a smooth and professional transition, which is the tradition of our Agency, as we welcome the next Director of CIA. During the time of transition, I am fully confident that the men and women of CIA will be solely focused on their critical mission.

Just read the WaPo article on the latest Libby hearing. The judge seems underwhelmed by all the silly arguments of Libby’s million-dollar defense team. Still no word on the identities of the Fearsome Five.

Thanks *ilson and Cujo.

Moi @ 190:

Everytime I see John Roberts in a suit I giggle a bit, I used to love him when he was JD Roberts, Muchmusic VeeJay in the 80’s.
Ah, good times.

And thus we snowbacks can count ourselves fortunate that Steve Anthony or Erica Ehm weren’t bitten by the ’serious journalist’ bug.

;>)

Bustednuckles @ 5:16 pm (#188) – Why does that name ring a bell?

I think it’s the short version of Janice Rogers Brown, one of Bush’s more controversial appointments to the Federal courts.

Billmon has a fun post on Goss:

http://billmon.org/archives/002428.html

#184,

Ohhh, THAT Janice Brown. Knew it sounded familiar.They say she is Clarence Thomas in drag.

Shuster was just up on Olberman – I caught the end. Seems pretty confident that the tea leaves indicate an indictment of Rove is forthcoming. Sounds like a few other bombshells were dropped two regarding whether Libby knew the sensitivity of Plame’s identity, with Shuster indicating that he was specifically warned about this at some point early on.

I’m dreadfully sorry to drop such an alarmingly OT thing here, but I just heard about this and thought folks might like to save it for later. Chances are you have heard about it, but I just did and think it’s fascinating. Karl Bushby is walking around the world, got stopped in Russia and just got the go ahead to leave the country today. That’s all I know, just wanted to share this site if anyone’s interested.

http://goliath.mail2web.com/default.asp

Back to the ugly truth, thanks for reading. ;-+

moi says:
May 5th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
As for the York article: “Team Libby says they have five witnesses who will say under oath that Joe Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.â€

I’ll probably be EPU’d but…Libby has not been accused (yet) of outing Plame. So what if he gets a million liars (check that) witnesses that say Wilson outed his own wife. The charges against Libby are perjury and obstruction. Does anyone outside FDL understand that??!!?? Sheesh!@!

Shuster was just on Countdown and that the conventional wisdom right now is that Karl Rove is likely to be indicted. Fitz went to great lengths to avoid even mentioning Rove at the hearing. Judge Reggie Walton told Libby’s lawyers that the Rove matter will reach a conclusion soon.

On Countdown, Shuster summarizes several items from today’s Plame hearing. He mentions other possible documents from Rove mentioning Plame — which Shuster interprets as undermining the “I forgot about her in my converstationss with Cooper.” Shuster says it’s more likely rove will be indicted.

rwcole at 151:

“Porter? Foggo?

Where do these names come from?”

Heh. To borrow a Joyceanism, “Shirlington’s Foggo Porter – the only drink made from pure unfiltered Potomac River water!”

Darkblack @ 199
LMAO!!!!!!
Totally forgot about Steve Anthony, though I found him amusing at the time.
I was thinking about Erica Ehm just last week when I went for breakfast at Bagel bagel.
Actually it was a couple of “Double Ceasar’s” and not really at breakfast time.
But still, I was wondering where she was and what she was up to.

Take out the trash day is turning out like the day after Christmas, with all the wrapping papers. Need new thread Jane?

Shuster said it was remarkable to observe Fitz’s body language in the hearing, meaning the extent to which Fitz was actively trying to avoid saying anything whatsoever about Rove.

Byron York sure is spinning out the Comstock-crapola today at the Corner.

Waiting for him to actually do something germaine to the case.

It would be a first.

Shuster says it’s more likely rove will be indicted.
Oh please Oh please, Oh please.
I really don’t give a shit about Libby, Rove is the motherfucker I want to see get nailed.Ever since I stumbled onto FDL, quite some time ago,and started realizing just what had been going on wrt Plame and general ratfucking by Rove,thats the guy. Get him, and the rest is history.

To paraphrase Office Space: Rove belongs in federal “pound me in the ass” prison.

Stephen Parrish, CPA 155

Could Porter be a family name?

no, it’s his new job title, with all that baggage…

Landreau #13, Jinny #18 and timewarp #25–

Yes, Jane Harman is a tool. As ranking member of the intelligence committee she had done precious little to actually press into the misuse and manipulation of intelligence pre-Iraq, a war for which she voted. But when the NSA spying scandal broke she pressed for investigations — of the leakers.

She does have a challenger in Marcy Winograd, a true progresive and an amazingly articulate, intelligent candidate who had garnered many endorsements including DFA, Progressive Democrats, Gore Vidal, Dan Ellsberg, Cindy Sheehan – who recently spoke at one of her events, and lots more and is gaining traction in the district.

Check her out at http://www.winogradforcongress.

EPU’d again folks! New thread.

punaise says:
May 5th, 2006 at 5:45 pm

Do you think he can handle it? Perhaps we had best carry the puns over to the next thread.

I think Walsingham had neocon-esque dreams of making a claim on the French crown. He was a fanatical protestant. The wars of religion were horrific. He had been traumatized by the St. B. Day massacre. His plan to marry EIR to one of the Valois had failed. Henri III was the last of that branch of the Valois. The crown was up for grabs. Elizabeth’s claim would be exactly the same as Henry V’s (and also the Yorkists to the English crown***) save the Salic law technicality which “was not devis-ed for the realm of France.”

Mary Stuart’s real crime was that her Valois connections were stronger. She lost her head, but Elizabeth and Cecil kept theirs till Walsingham died.

*** recited 3-4 times in the H6 plays.

I’m always EPUing myself & I’m on slowbrowser/dialup. Does anyone know who these “corrupt contractors” are? That term has a –looking over my shoulder– certain cache where I come from.
Also I wonder what other “lawmakers” were involved. Seems like there was some heavy male bonding going on: cards, babes for hire, and business.
Or maybe I am just letting my imagination go wild.

Of all of the twists and turns of the Plame saga, one of the most interesting, when all is said and done, will be the role that Timmeh played in all of this.

sonate @ 205
The MSM has the upper hand in helping shape the court of public opinion I’m afraid. I’ve had the fortune (or misfortune depending on the way you want to look at it) to go back to full time work in the last 2 weeks and can probably sum up what the average Joe has been exposed to regarding this case. The big impact hitting the wire today after the hearing was Joe Wilson will be challenged, team Libby will expose him as a habitual liar. That’s big and pretty damaging, unfortunately it will leave a mark.
I agree that the charges against Libby are perjury and obstruction but still, we need to find out who these people are and what they are willing to testify to.
We need to understand (and the MSM needs to report) the motivation behind the testimony.
I’m not gonna lie down peacefully and let these people go on the stand just on the assumption that what they’re saying is the truth and I think most folks would agree.
That’s just not right and should be called on.

WaPo seems to be backing Big Tim’s story. According to the WaPo story, “In what was described as a difficult meeting in April with Negroponte, Goss was told to prepare to leave by May, according to several officials with knowledge of the conversation.”

And Cheney came out of his bunker this week to wag another dog-they are running out of options.

And we still have THREE years to go. Oh joy.

Saturday night massacre scenario.

Along with at least two buses bearing down on him in the form of Hookergate and Torturegate the big Goose is then sounded out about remote piloting a global hawk into a big old jet airliner flying from Chi to shining sea.
Cofer Black was tasked with wet work using Predator drones and hellfire missiles so killing an American or three is not beyond them. If the Prez can do what he wants then why wouldn’t he want to save his ‘ brain’ from the Domoclean scalpel of our man Fitz?
Seriously they are running out of time – there is less than a week between them and the Hindenburg disaster redux. The Goose balked so they have to find a replacement killer – one trained to take orders. Stand by for some more plane murder.

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy…
Didn’t ‘Ol Russ teach you that only the stupid fish bites at the shimmering lure?
And you definitely bite, Timmy!
Now, go home, and have ‘Ol Russ take you fishing. You know, the kind of fishing you did in the Clinton years.
Edward R. Murrow wouldn’t pee on Timmy even if Timmy were on fire…