Color me confused. Everyone on TV seems to be buying the line that the Goss resignation has been planned for weeks. No natural curiosity about the fact that it takes effect immediately, or that there is no replacement, or that he had a meeting scheduled this afternoon he didn’t show up for. Not to mention the fact that as Professor Foland pointed out in the comments, the White House would’ve probably sacrificed its collective left nut to avoid stepping on a drunk Kennedy story.
But has the entire press corps turned into such a pile of humorless prudes that they can’t connect the dots in the Brent Wilkes hooker scandal?
From the Wall Street Journal on April 27:
Mr. Wade in February pleaded guilty to giving bribes of more than $1 million to Mr. Cunningham, including cash, antiques and payment for yachts. Mr. Wade, who hasn’t been sentenced yet, is cooperating with prosecutors. According to people with knowledge of the investigation, Mr. Wade told investigators that Mr. Cunningham periodically phoned him to request a prostitute, and that Mr. Wade then helped to arrange for one. A limousine driver then picked up the prostitute as well as Mr. Cunningham, and drove them to one of the hotel suites, originally at the Watergate Hotel, and subsequently at the Westin Grand.
Then it got a bit jucier in Harpers:
The two defense contractors who allegedly bribed Cunningham, said the Journal, were Brent Wilkes, the founder of ADCS Inc., and Mitchell Wade, the founder of MZM Inc.; both firms profited greatly from their connections with Cunningham. The Journal also suggested that other lawmakers might be implicated. I’ve learned from a well-connected source that those under intense scrutiny by the FBI are current and former lawmakers on Defense and Intelligence committees—including one person who now holds a powerful intelligence post.
A powerful intelligence post? Who could that be? TPM Muckracker speculated, because it would’ve been irresponsible not to:
After a long series of off-the-record phone calls with CIA spokespeople, I was finally given an on-the-record comment — about Goss. Speaking on behalf of the director, CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck said, "This is horribly irresponsible. He hasn’t even been to the Watergate in decades."
When I asked if Goss had attended Wilkes’ parties at the Westin or other locations, Millerwise Dyck repeated the denial. "It’s horribly irresponsible. Flatly untrue."
Let’s see. Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, spokeswoman for Dick Cheney from 2001-2003, who has been questioned by Fitzgerald about "the vice president’s knowledge of the anti-Wilson campaign and his dealings on it with Libby, his chief of staff." I see she’s moved on to greener pastures. That settles that then. Or maybe not. Laura Rozen quotes a reader:
"Dana Priest is on MSNBC right now saying we’ll have to wait for tomorrow’s paper to find out why he resigned. The Post must have called him for comment on a story running tomorrow about his involvement with Brent Wilkes."
Pourquoi Brent Wilkes? Says Josh Marshall :
Wilkes has deep ties into the CIA. The focal point of those ties is to Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, the man Porter Goss appointed to the #3 position at CIA when he took over the Agency last year. Remember, Wilkes’ scam was getting corrupt contracts deep in the ‘black’ world of intelligence and defense appropriations, where there’s little or no oversight. Foggo was in the contracting and procurement field at the CIA. So you can see how he and Wilkes, who have been friends since high school, had plenty to talk about.
Lack of oversight…hmmm….well the Bush Administration is certainly the perfect petri dish for that, given their knee-jerk response to getting oversighted. And how did Goss make the acquaintance of Foggo?
That’s how we get into the other part of this story — those ‘hospitality suites’, that moveable feast of food, poker and love, Brent Wilkes ran in Washington for maybe fifteen years. We hear that’s how Goss got to be friends with Foggo, whom he later promoted to executive director of the CIA, the number 3 post at the Agency.
Foggo admitted to be part of the Wilkes festivities, though he says there were no hookers. PJ O’Rourke will no doubt vouch for him. Time for some talking heads to develop a little natural curiosity. Hell we know he didn’t get the boot for incompetence, lying or corruption, that would be unprecedented. Scandal fatigue may finally be working against them.
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FITZ !!!!!!
OH MY GOD, FIIIIIIITZ!!
No Fitzo De Mayo!
Fitzmorial Day, Anyone?
oh!
cbl beat me to it.
So close, so far away.
Can’t get these words out of my head:
Buy hooker, buy crook.
My comment at Max’s:
Even if 10 prostitutes were paraded in from of the cameras with 10 sworn affidavits that they serviced Porter Goss, the media would claim this was a case of disgruntled temp workers.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0505.html
Libby’s lawyers say they have five witnesses who say Joe Wilson told them his wife worked at the CIA. I know Vallelly and the other nut that are regular Fox News bsers, but who are the others?
John King advanced a plausible theory. His sources say Goss/CIA had a power struggle with Negroponte. The President sided with Negroponte.
CNN is implying it’s a cat fight between Goss and Negroponte and Goss resigned in a fit of pique . . .
do they really want that to be their story ? that the guys most responsible for intelligence and security got in a pissing contest ???
Fudged.
Everyone talks about the resignation in conjunction with the conjecture that it’s the hooker business.
Is it not possible/plausible that the purge of Democrats is a part of the cause?
Nothing to see here. Move on. I mean, there was a gay hooker in the WH–a lot–and it barely rated a mention.
Jane, you must be a heck of a carpenter, cuz you just drove that nail with one stroke.
“John King advanced a plausible theory. His sources say Goss/CIA had a power struggle with Negroponte. The President sided with Negroponte. “
It’s also plausible that he’s leaving to focus on “world Peace” – but doubtful.
Somebody found the pictures.
erm, front even.
The DC press crowd are useless because they’ve become soft and overfed on cocktail weenies, like calves being milk-fed in pens on their way to becoming veal. No wonder fake news like The Daily Show is so popular. It’s the hardest-hitting stuff available.
“Somebody sends me a blue dress and some DNA, I’ll have an investigation.”
– Porter Goss, on the outing of Valerie Plame, October 2003.
Hold it. I was under the impression that Goss himself denied going to the parties. Now it seems that his spokesperson was the one doing the denying. Did Goss himself ever deny…well, anything?
Did they find the blue dress?
CNN did a fair job of presenting the “Hookergate” issue. I’m rather surprised.
Meanwhile, I’m just waiting for someone to use the headline:
Porter Goss Resigns So He Can Spend More Time With Whores
john king and fat tim russert have been the proponents of the spin that it’s disaffection on goss’ part that negroponte has usurped alot of his power. and that the discussions have been underway for weeks. that is such bullshit.
hell, blitzer is still pushing fran townsend as new director; but laura rozen has knocked that down. my $$’s on laura’s version.
these fools are such tools.
is there a betting line on this in Vegas? Can someone check it out?
It’s also plausible that he’s leaving to focus on “world Peace.”
Or to spend more time with Andy Card’s family.
Goss: “So, do you come to orgies often?”
Foggo: “When things are slow.”
Goss: “Nice unit.”
Foggo: “I can thank Bob Dole for that.”
Goss: “Who’s the dude in the crotchless flightsuit?”
Foggo: “That’s the Duke. He likes to watch.”
Goss: “High five dudes, this is the best.”
-GSD
Goss and negroponte in a pissing contest? Sounds like wet works.
Planed for weeks, my fat wide ass (and it is fat and wide, I assure you!). I think the very minor Titanically WH minor deckchair re-arrangement (you know, new press secty, new cook, new dog poop picker upper, etc.) has by unexpected necessity been turned into a cover for getting very hot potatoes out the door before the shit hits the fan.
Goss doesn’t look nearly as much like a tater as Rove, but it is a metaphore.
Some one probably has linked to this already, but it is probably worth another.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008376.php
There is good evidence now that the strong national security ethical white-man Daddies who began their takeover in 94 started going very bad very quickly, right in the heart of their national seccurity, spending constraint, moral uprightness heartland. Only question is how far up it goes. And how deeply was Goss involved, or was he just tolerant. And what did WH know, and if not, why not?
Dear oh, dear, very major Bribes Booze and Babes were in the mix right from the get go.
A downside is that I read that the new WH cook is very good and innovative, I think is the first woman, and this good news will be obscured. That is too bad.
Via ThinkProgress, Bill Kristol on Fox
“BILL KRISTOL: It wasn’t done in a routine way. I don’t think people — certainly people close to Goss did not expect this to happen. Senior congressmen and senators didn’t expect this to happen. I’m not sure the White House expected this to happen. … I do think this was sudden. It was unexpected. There will be more of a story that will come out. “
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/05/kristol-goss/
TPM Muckraker just put up a compendium of their HookerGate coverage since April 27:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/ar…..ookergate/
The evidence must be soooooooooooooo good.
harry (#7)
“Libby’s lawyers say they have five witnesses who say Joe Wilson told them his wife worked at the CIA. I know Vallelly and the other nut that are regular Fox News bsers, but who are the others?”
if vallely and his ilk are the best witnesses libby’s got — he’s toast.
i doubt they’ll reach the witness stand; team libby can’t be that crazy. they must be playing to the media.
5 &y says: at 5
should that read
buy hooker, bye crook
Sorry T-Rex – just got lucky bouncin’ off the walls here – My God, I’ll need horse tranquilizers the day Rover gets frogmarched – and OMG, a Haldol drip if it’s Cheney
that 900 pound gorilla from the last thread is wearing a garter belt and stiletto ’s
Its all Bill Clinton’s fault – just listen to the 32% (should be 25% now) calling into Washington Journal on C-Span the next few mornings.
When I left for work this am, the “carpe diem” post was the only one up — looks like it was quite a diem to carpe; meetings with Fitz, Goss in the Watergate with the Hookers. I go to work and come home to find the Bush admin disgracefully imploding; how delightful! What’s cooking for this evening?
cdj: “Is it not possible/plausible that the purge of Democrats is a part of the cause?”
Umm, no.
Bush would be giving Goss a medal for that.
Or do you think Goss is honorable enough to resign over orders to engage in political partisanship games with our intelligence gathering?
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My head accidentally banged the keyboard when I fell over laughing.
Wow, even Fox News isn’t buying the spin. Should be an interesting weekend. Anyone got the names of the Fearsome Five that Libby’s planning on calling?
Tweety’s email update about today’s show:
“CIA Director Porter Goss has resigned after about 20 months on the job and it’s
a full-blown feeding frenzy in the nation’s capital tonight with that surprising
announcement. The White House said that it is unlikely that a replacement for
Goss will be named today. Here’s a report from the AP:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12646394/.
In announcing the resignation, President Bush said Goss led the agency “ably.”
But why is Goss going? Why wasn’t there any rumor of his departure? Is this just
the latest piece of the White House’s personnel changes? Tonight on Hardball,
MSNBC Chief Washington Correspondent Norah O’Donnell, sitting in for Chris, will
have all the latest on this breaking news with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, the
Washington Post’s Walter Pincus, the Wall Street Journal and CNBC’s John
Harwood, Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff, and NBC News Analyst Bill Harlow, a former
CIA spokesman….”
The DIRECTOR of the fucking CIA resigns in a fit of pique???
Give new meaning to the meme of whiny assed titty babies. Casey must be rolling in his grave.
Speaking of which, I wonder what part that other former CIA Director is playing in all this. Bush 41, I mean. Maybe this is how some “grown-ups” are trying to take charge. If so, not an encouraging sign…
By the way, we REALLY need a Photoshopped pic of Porter with panties on his head. You should do one with Speedos on his head, too, just in case the story gets even better.
Rolling stones gather no Goss.
Harry 7, strictly as a legal matter, what would Joe Wilson’s acts matter in Scooter’s perjury/false statements/ obstruction of justice case? “I lied to the FBI and GJ about something other people knew, too.” I can see where that would make the OUTING immaterial, but would it excuse the lying? Didn’t seem to for Clinton.
noshrub (#20): yeah, they did. jeffie gannon was wearing it…..
GSD #26 – crotchless flightsuit…you just made me hurl.
Well, I was going to cut paste my EPU’d post, bc it had the hommage to COlbert on Andy Card’s kids, but Jane has it here already. *g*
I go with my call downthread though – someone’s security clearance may have been under pressure from another fsoubrcie, ?? and if it was going to have to be revoked – well, if you resign, does it just go away or do you keep clearance? Has anyone been asking about his clearance – if he keeps it or not?
Inquiring minds.
AP Poll shows Clusterfuck with a 33% JAR– more significantly- he now has 65% of americans DISAPPROVING of his job performance- I believe that’s the highest yet..
This boy’s in a peck of trouble.
If there’s anything that will get this nation’s press interested in the what government officials are doing it’s sex. Hopefully, the scent of misplaced semen in the air will spur them to action.
Middleagedhousewife says:
May 5th, 2006 at 1:48 pm
This day isn’t over yet.
Great! Now I can buy that t-shirt with “I was EPU’ed at FDL” on it, but I can’t find it in your store.
op99 -
By claiming Wilson to be a liar, Libby’s team is trying the “I know you are, but what am I” defense.
This defense is known to be effective among preschool level children. Whether it works in a court of law remains to be seen.
Cafferty coming up next – reading the e-mails about why Porter Goss’ sudden resignation on a Friday afternoon – might be interesting to see if he dares utter the word “hookers.” At least he could attribute it to the viewers…
vachon–
“disgruntled temp workers” = hundred-dollar joke.
And didja see the Prez at the formal announcement? Talk about not being comfortable in your skin. And it was touching, in its way, when he praised the CIA for “joining the intelligence community.” (Something like that, anyway.)
wesgpc (#28):
metaphore? i take it you aspirate the “h”…..
Dyke said specifically that Goss hadn’t been to the Watergate in decades. She never denied he’d been to the Westin. Typical GOP double talk. In response to a direct question whether Goss had been to any of the parties, she said, “It’s horribly irresponsible. Flatly untrue.” Not the same type of denial she gave about the Watergate…definitely ambiguous. Hell, if they are going to lie, why don’t they do it outright instead of playing with words? I guess they’re too tricky for the MSM…those guys buy it if it sounds remotely like an answer.
EPU’d excerpt, Rayne 197 –
So now we know Rove has already been spinning on this one. What I’m wondering, because of the timing involved and the very careful parsing of words by Shirlington Limo honcho Chris Baker whether Gannon’s “emergence†isn’t somehow related. Think about it; Baker says that he was “never in attendance in any party where any women were being used for prostitution purposes.â€
Can you say “honeypot� Heh. I knew you could.
http://rigorousintuition.blogs…..y-pot.html
Thanks asdf 51, I forgot who we were dealing with for a minute.
I think CIA elements decided to destroy Goss (McCarthy, whistleblower crackdown, blame for Iraq, politicization of intelligence and all) but they gave him a chance to fall on his sword before they released the hooka photos.
If that’s not it, and the Goss v. Negroponte angle has any credence, Goss was probably advising against attacking Iran. For this to happen on the same day as the Jack Straw move in the UK could be a sign that behind the curtain, the moment of truth on Iran is upon us.
Holy shit this’ll be one helluva spring for political junkies.
Anybody watching Jack Cafferty reading his emails? This is what I submitted:
“Jack,
When any government official, especially a highly placed one, resigns on Friday afternoon, it’s bad, very bad. Heck, he doesn’t even use the usual excuse of “spending more time with the family.†Could it have something to do with playing poker at the Watergate with Republican lobbyists and politicians that have been either indicted or convicted of scamming the taxpayers? And, there are those whispers of prostitutes being a side benefit of those parties…hmmm, the Bush Administration has done just about everything wrong except have a sex scandal. Now all you newshounds will finally pay attention.”
It’s funnier the way T- says it at comment 33. Inspires a little poem.
By hook or by crook?
Buy hooker? Buy crook?
Buy hooker! Bye, crook!
Ed N Sted @ 29
Great quote from Kristol. He was literally speechless when Colbert asked him how the New American Century was going so far: “Fabulous, right?” Caught like a deer in the headlights.
Question is, is he growing the rump of a conscience, or just a rat fleeing the Hindenberg?
I tend to rat…
JGabriel –
I meant: mightn’t there have been something illegal about that purge, that’s about to come out, and hence leading to a quick exit (stage left) by Goss?
Noron’s subbing for Matthews. Gossgate and Kennedygate on tap.
Frank 41
Check in with Daily Kos and look for Dood Abides in the diaries. He almost always follows these kind of things with photoshop magic. Dood is the one who did the fantabulous pic of Rove being frogmarched.
It’s official, one of the girls identified Goss as the cheap skate speedy Gonzales.
I poached someone’s “Stinko de Mayo” and sent it to Cafferty. He just read it.
Thanks to whoever said it.
The CIA folks will be having a great weekend while it lasts. Let’s hope they don’t get another Goss.
A few of us have had the thought Goss may take Harris’s place on Florida’s ballot. Someone please say it’s too late for that.
Dana Priest didn’t seem at all surprised about the announcement and said so. She knocked down the White House spinners glorification of Goss by saying (paraphrase) Goss had it coming. And, I agree she sounded as though we can read it in the (her) paper tomorrow.
The Bushites started spinning that Negroponte asked Goss to leave and the two have been discussing it for several weeks. (Like, “I want you to leave but we’ll discuss it for several weeks.”) That explains why everyone was caught so flat-footed? Bush looked more out of it than usual as he hemmed and hawed his way through the announcement picking the right words from his vast vocabulary, and Goss appeared to have been kicked in the stomach, one or more times. I don’t give Negroponte credit for knowing enough to fire Goss. The upcoming scandal reporting is more likely the reason. Has there ever been a more corrupt, dysfunctional government in any country’s history?
Fitz beginning to look a lot like Christmas….
Hi Mary 46 -
What’s a “fsoubrcie”? I’m out of that acronym loop.
Apologies for my ootal.
Thanks!
Frank Probst: “Anyone got the names of the Fearsome Five that Libby’s planning on calling?”
Eeny, Meenie, Miney, Moe, and the guy they caught be a toe.
Yes, of course – it’s just yer run-of-the-mill cross border dispute between Goss and Negroponte. That’s why Goss cleaned out his desk at 7:30 am, and THEN went to tell Bush to go stick it, why there was no questioning allowed by reporters, why there is no replacement waiting in the wings…
Yep, that makes sense.
I may take cocktail hour a bit early today.
Finally…Of course it took Cafferty to see what’s obvious about the resignation–that there’s more going on. Several of his e-mailers suggested that the hookergate scandal is behind this….
But now, of course, the very dim Kathleen Koch at the White House taking dictation (CNN)….
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CNN – goss replacement could be named as soon as monday – duh, like they would name a replacement on the weekend. the weekend is when they are all with their hookers supplied by jeff gannon.
NPR on Goss – no reason given for the resignation, after serving less than 2 years. Brought in after the failures of 9-11, “controversial” management style …just a bunch of blah, blah, blah.
fuck, why does this shit have to happen on friday. the daily show needs to expand to 7 days week till fredo is gone…
Andrea Mitchell – Goss was “FIRED”!!!
This via Laura Rozen (War and Piece)
“I hear that when Porter Goss went to meet with Negroponte today, he didn’t know he was going to be leaving the job. And that it would have been the President’s decision, not Negroponte’s. And that this may have to do with how Goss handled a management issue concerning Foggo. And perhaps with a tie in to HIPSI. And I hear that Fran Townsend has already been approached about taking Goss’s job — and turned it down. And I hear that agency folks are worried this is the end of the Agency as they know it — Pentagon role over intelligence will only increase. “I think there’s another shoe to drop,” said one source.”
http://www.warandpiece.com
I’m surprised the #3 man hasn’t gone down yet (figuratively) today. If this was about the Duke-Stir, I think Foggo’s in deeper than Goss (figuratively, again). Thoughts?
Let’s connect the dots. Starting in late April we suddenly see two stories emerge from the CIA. The first is the firing of this woman McCarthy for allegedly leaking. The CIA puts out the story that it was for leaking about the bush gulags. But CIA vets say that as someone in the CIA’s Inspector General’s office she generally wouldn’t even know about these prisons or be involved with them. But she would potentially be involved in things involving bad conduct of a non-clandestine nature, for example bribery and whoring by the CIA Director. McCarthy and her attorney then say that her termination had nothing to do with the bush gulags. No pushback from Goss or the bush pimps.
So McCarthy gets shitcanned and a transparently phony cover story is arranged by the CIA. A few days later the LA times is insinuating that a “former congressman, now high-ranking intelligence official” is implicated in the Cunningham/Wilkes/Whores/Graft Ring. We then learn that McCarthy was nailed for nothing more than perhaps having failed a lie detector test about whether she’d met with certain reporters.
Look, anytime you’re dealing with a war between the CIA and the exec branch there’s not guaranty that the straight story will come out. But this looks pretty damn plain to me.
“stinko de mayo”!!
(quoted from CNN)
If GOss’ firing was anticipated, then why did he say this in his statement?
Uh, hello????? MSM??? “This morning” means sometime today. If Goss isn’t even claiming he knew about it before today, then why they hell are you jackasses?
But here’s a thought: Think of Snow Job’s first day on the job…
laura rozen is the person to check routinely. this is funny:
Update IV: Hill source: they were totally surprised. When the announcement of Goss’s resignation came on a bank of TVs turned to CNN today, “Literally people were running” — to their offices, etc. to figure out what’s going on.
http://www.warandpiece.com/
So Porter leaves on Goss-amer wings?
We are all punaise now.
I keep tellin ya, it’s Cambone
MSM all-media machine seems to be coming down on the Negroponte-got-his-knife-out theory in lieu of actual information.
Top dem Senator coming up on NPR to “comment.” Can’t wait.
There once was a spy named Porter
whose tenure was quite a bit shorter
than we had expected, but it was detected
that he’d Fornigated more than he’d oughta’
Here’s an interesting take on why there would be photographs floating around. After all who wants a Polaroid around when there are hookers in the room?
From Cannonfire 4/30…
Actually, there’s a lot more to say. If we presume that these congressmen were just a bit smarter than Lyndie England, and that they knew better than to take incriminating photos of themselves (and then allow the snaps to fall into the hands of outsiders), we must ask: Who took these images, and under what circumstances?
Those who do not learn from history…
One historical nugget I keep mentioning in this blog concerns Xaviera Hollander, the New York City madam credited with writing The Happy Hooker in 1971. The co-writer (ghost writer?) of the book was Robin Moore — an odd choice, since he usually specializes in military and intelligence matters. Anthony Summers, in his Nixon bio, tells us (in a footnote!) that, according to Moore, the CIA had set up clandestine cameras in Xaviera’s bedroom, in order to get blackmail material on Washington pols and visiting Arab potentates.
yup, I bet there are photos with hookers, but the head-spinning speed of the resignation makes me think an indictment is coming….
Reposted link from the last thread – someone said it went to a different story when they hit it:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..8773.story
Judges Challenge Internet Wiretap Rules
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
10:46 AM PDT, May 5, 2006
WASHINGTON — A U.S. appeals panel sharply challenged the Bush administration Friday over new rules making it easier for police and the FBI to wiretap Internet phone calls. A judge said the government’s courtroom arguments were “gobbledygook.”
The skepticism expressed so openly toward the administration’s case encouraged civil liberties and education groups that argued that the U.S. is improperly applying telephone-era rules to a new generation of Internet services.
[snip]
Sally @ 2:01 pm (#67) – I look forward to Priest’s article.
I don’t for one second think this resignation was in the works for weeks, either. If it was, they’d at least have said they have a few candidates for DCI under consideration and meanwhile here’s the interim DCI. In contrast to Tenet’s resignation, this seems positively panicky and ill-planned. I don’t know what the emergency is, but it caught them flat-footed whatever it is.
Noron just asked, “Why today?” Atta girl.
#17 puppethead: The Daily Show was the only news show I saw that pulled out the old press conference with the question, “should the American people change their gas-guzzling lifestyle?” “Uh, that’s a big NO”
Says it all!
At #61, from a lurker said:
“Question is, is he growing the rump of a conscience, or just a rat fleeing the Hindenberg?”
I like it! The mental image of rats fleeing the Hindenberg is somehow very appropriate.
I also enjoyed Kristol on Colbert. My personal guess here is that he see’s the writing on the
wall and is attempting to flee the Hindenberg. But that’s just wild speculation on my part.
Pincus says the reason for canning Goss is that the White House is worried that Mary Macarthy is likely to take legal action for her firing.
In other words, Bushco is worried that the whole pile of lies and corruption may come tumbling out in a court of law.
Pincus on Hardball doesnt think it’s a big deal … that the W.H. was unhappy with his job performance and Goss just tired of being dogged by Negroponte.
Move along – nothing to see here.
Goss did not leave because of a spat with Negroponte. This is pure WH spin.
Goss’s assigned mission is to destroy the CIA from above and within. He sure as heck ain’t nobly defending his institution.
And Negroponte is a pure figurehead, without a shred of power or responsibility, and with the cushiest job on the planet. He isn’t in a power struggle with anyone.
Kirk – no acronym – just the word source, but three other letters were on my mind too and got intermingled.
I mean, in what world would the FBI be involved in an investigation where they might have to challenge security clearances for a CIA Director? I’m sure it’s something else. Maybe he got an invtiation to go hunting with Dick?
cdj: “I meant: mightn’t there have been something illegal about that purge, that’s about to come out, and hence leading to a quick exit (stage left) by Goss?”
Ah, thanks for clarifying, didn’t think of that interpretation.
Frankly, I think it’s unlikely. Anything like that would be more in the line of a *political* scandal, which the Bush administration tends to shrug off.
Frank Probst @ 2:05 pm (#78) – Foggo’s ties to Shirlington Limo and the whole Duke Cunningham mess will probably get him in serious doodoo sooner or later. Whether that’s before Goss or after at this point I’d really rather not have to guess.
How bad must the truth be that the White House (through back channels, naturally) is going with the spin that Goss lost a turf war with Negroponte. Somehow “it wasn’t hookers it was a pissing match” doesn’t seem like the ideal kind of explanation for having the head of CIA resign suddenly. Especially *ahem* at a time of war.
Someone at the CIA has been able to crack Goss’ password. It is “Hookie Pokey”.
#32 aaaargh re: Libby’s latest “defense”–
Everyone has got to realize that Team Libby is not interested in the law or in justice. They’re interested in POLITICS. This is a political game with Libby’s future as the side dish. What they’re really doing is trying to muddy the waters so the sheeple and the rightwing media machine have fish to fry. They don’t care if it’s relevant to the case or not.
Goss did not leave because of a spat with Negroponte. This is pure WH spin.
Goss’s assigned mission is to destroy the CIA from above and within. He sure as heck ain’t nobly defending his institution.
laura rozen has a quote pretty much confirming that the likely outcome will be the end of the cia; intelligence operations will be controlled by the pentagon.
who cares if the cia loses more ground? it’s populated by incompetents, specially considering its failure to hire folks who speak foreign languages — we’d be better off getting our intelligence from sesame street
“intelligence operations will be controlled by the pentagon. “
But Rummy “isn’t an intelligence guy”
Syndicated MSM A.P. press wire spin headline:
“Goss gone after failing to win trust at CIA”
This is what’s going out to all the minor media markets. Short blurb about how he was viewed as an outsider hatchet man.
Nothing to see here, folks, everyone just move along now…
Ed Sted 77, wow–Laura’s hearing a heck of a lot. So Bush decided to can him, but had Negroponte tell him? And, sorry–what’s HIPSI, anybody? Doesn’t show up in acronym finder.
But worst of all is hearing that the Pentagon’s going to exert even more control over intelligence issues.
Hey what’s the matter with everyone here?
Don’t you know a Kennedy was caught DUI?!!
The MSM knows no one’s going to be titillated by republicans having sex—it’ll simply repulse those viewers/readers who aren’t incredulous to begin with (you know the whole lot of them gave it up decades ago for screwing the country instead) —and if it’s about corruption or darker machinations, well, so what? That’s so opaque and tedious to explain and makes the viewer yawn and switch channels.
So, go back to the top and repeat, “A Kennedy was…”
Mary 98 -
Two invitations Porter couldn’t refuse:
hunting with Dick
polygraph with Mary McCarthy’s successor
Haha. Digby on Goss and other matters!
He ends by saying, “Whatever it is, it’s fair to assume it’s something quite serious and something we will find out about quite soon. They aren’t even trotting out the old ‘wants to spend time with his family.’”
“That’s why Goss cleaned out his desk at 7:30 am, and THEN went to tell Bush to go stick it,”
Is this confirmed?
If so, then I really don’t think there’s much meat at all to this story that this whole thing happened over a lovers’ tiff between Goss and Negroponte. I mean, it sounds weak as hell to begin with, but then to factor in Goss going into the office at the crack of dawn, clearing out his desk, and THEN going over to tell Bush he was quitting?
Sounds to me like Goss was RUNNING. Doesn’t it to you folks?
104 106 108, you guys are really starting scare me.
Heavens to Betsy! Nora O’Donnell (please note use of full name) isn’t buying the spin on Goss.
But Rummy “isn’t an intelligence guyâ€
that’s why cheney set up his own shop there
capitol police say – capitol police messed up in the kennedy incident and proper corrective administrative and personnel action has been taken.
At #96, *ilson46201 says
“Pincus on Hardball doesnt think it’s a big deal … that the W.H. was unhappy with his job performance and Goss just tired of being dogged by Negroponte.”
Pincus didn’t bother to run his theory through the smell detector. If his theory was correct, Goss would have been ‘managed out’ in a much more orderly and planned manner.
Oscar says:
May 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
#32 aaaargh re: Libby’s latest “defenseâ€â€“
Everyone has got to realize that Team Libby is not interested in the law or in justice. They’re interested in POLITICS. This is a political game with Libby’s future as the side dish. What they’re really doing is trying to muddy the waters so the sheeple and the rightwing media machine have fish to fry. They don’t care if it’s relevant to the case or not.
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Perhaps, but you’d think they’d realize that they’re playing a losing game. Every time they try to muddy the waters, Fitz files a brief clearing them up a bit more.
At #104, bkny says:
“intelligence operations will be controlled by the pentagon.”
To be overseen by Donald “I’m Not In Intelligence” Rumsfeld?
Frank Probst, #41
ROFL
Yet another scandal involving a high-ranking Bush official!
And we still have our trump card in our hand – Rove!
Wow! A winning hand without having to use the trump card!
Andrew Sullivan has graphs up showing:
Bush Age: the Meltdown
http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/
(via TPM)
Another one bites the dust. A lot more to come. Honor and integrity indeed!
Dave Latchaw — good suggestion. When they start to wake up, they get their real names back.
One More TIme – WHo is currently the # 2 @ CIA ?
when Tenet stepped down, the # 2 was automatically placed in charge, albeit temporarily
and who is reporting on the Pentagon undersecretary story ?
the green lantern: “Pincus says the reason for canning Goss is that the White House is worried that Mary Macarthy is likely to take legal action for her firing.”
cdj, my apologies. Looks like your speculation re: MAry McCarthy may be correct after all.
Inspired by #88 uncle toby. . .
Most digital cameras can also take *movies* these days, God forbid!
But it would explain why there is a Porter Goss-shaped hole in the CIA Director’s office today!
Ed #119:
see #115.
Collective left nut? Ouch!! Jane, that hurts just reading it. Have mercy on us men :(
Man, my F5 key is going to break today. Any Fitz sightings?
Al Franken opines that Goss is leaving to spend more time spying on his family.
35 jinny says:
May 5th, 2006 at 1:48 pm
Its all Bill Clinton’s fault – just listen to the 32% (should be 25% now) calling into Washington Journal on C-Span the next few mornings.
Fucking Clinton. God dammit. Man – he’s fucked up the entire Gubmit since he left the White House.
;-)
“Pincus says the reason for canning Goss is that the White House is worried that Mary Macarthy is likely to take legal action for her firing.â€
Hmm, I don’t see how Goss being gone has anything to do with that, one way or the other.
He ran out of there like his ass was on fire. I don’t believe it’s because of McCarthy or Negroponte. Someone has major dirt on this guy.
What’s up with this?
“the President’s discreet and influential Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board has been interviewing CIA officials and others over the past several weeks, as part of a larger investigation. My sources didn’t know or wouldn’t tell me what the panel was examining, only that “a lot” of the people it talked to “were unloading on the director.”
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000570.php
JGabriel
the green lantern: “Pincus says the reason for canning Goss is that the White House is worried that Mary Macarthy is likely to take legal action for her firing.â€
cdj, my apologies. Looks like your speculation re: MAry McCarthy may be correct after all.
IF, and that’s a big IF Goss and the WH had a case against MM, then she would be just an annoyance to them. Mary may have had something much bigger on them or it’s Fornigate. They’d only be worried about Mary if it was something they couldn’t control. Fornigate they won’t be able to control. When it comes to sex, the media just can’t help themselves. They gotta report it because it sells.
The Green Lantern (95), Dr. McCarthy’s attorney said she has no plans to take legal action. That really disappointed me. Maybe she’ll change her mind.
A flush faced W says Goss did some good reforming of the CIA. Guess he reformed himself right out of the picture.
#118–That’s what I’m trying to say; the only win or lose for Team Libby is the political one. As long as they can hang on to 50% of the sheeple who buy their lies most of the time, they’ve won.
&y #5
Can’t get these words out of my head:
Buy hooker, buy crook.
touchee!
…or the ferrets fleeing Toad Hall..
Let’s see….it’s girls, no; boys, no; Negroponte, no; Foggo, no; the Prez, no….well, might I suggest that some smart Alec journalist call up his “good friend,” former Sen. Bob Graham (who I admire, by the way)and ask HIM why he thinks the Goss got goosed. Maybe, it’s all of the above!
Boss GossToss GossNo Loss
argh!!!
Boss Goss
Toss Goss
No Loss
EPU
The President: Where the hell is my new chief of staff?
Bolton: I’m here, Mr. President.
POTUS: Things really are going downhill here since Andy left. Why can’t I get a good cup of coffee anymore? [He throws down the cup, which spills on the table.] This stuff is shit!
Bolton: [sponging the spill with cloth napkins with the presidential seal on them] Mr. President, I have some bad news for you.
POTUS: Bad news, shit! I hired you to solve problems, not to create them. Not to bring them to me. Can’t you solve it?
Bolton: Not this one, Mr. President. I’m afraid you will have to make a statement.
POTUS: What is it now? Has Karl been indicted?
Bolton: Not yet, Mr. President. We expect that momentarily.
POTUS: Has Scooter flipped? I knew that stupid egghead with his. . .
Bolton: No Mr. President. Libby has not flipped, as far as we know.
POTUS: Then what is it, damn you? Why can’t you leave me alone?
Bolton: It’s Porter Goss, Mr. President.
POTUS: Goss? Goss? Is he my new Homeland Security Chief?
Bolton: No, that’s Chertoff, Mr. President.
POTUS: Head of the FBI. Don’t tell me. I’ll get it.
Bolton: The head of the CIA, Sir.
POTUS: Of course, the CIA. What did Goss do and what will it cost me?
Bolton: Do you know that ring of gambling and prostitutes at the Watergate in the news last week?
POTUS: Why don’t you remind me?
Bolton: A major lobbyist maintained a suite at the Watergate for politicians to meet privately with major corporate folk. There were poker games and hookers.
POTUS: Hookers?
Bolton: Yes, Mr. President.
POTUS: And Porter?
Bolton: Yes, Mr. President.
POTUS: Shit. Hookers. What am I supposed to do?
Bolton: Mr. President, there are security concerns. Mr. Goss has compromised America’s security. He has to resign immediately.
POTUS: Immediately? Shit. Do I have a replacement? What does Dick say?
Bolton: I just came from informing the Vice President, Sir. He says that you should announce Goss’s resignation immediately.
POTUS: Oh, all right. Do I have to take questions?
Bolton: No, sir.
POTUS: OK, write me out the usual stuff. . . Great public servant. . . transitional figure. . . blah, blah, blah.
Bolton: I’ll take care of it, Mr. President.
POTUS: You bet your ass, you will.
“Justin Rood: I’ve heard it a bit more bluntly: Goss was told to fire Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, his troublesome Executive Director, and Goss refused. That’s what we’re hearing now from knowledgeable sources. But there’s a lot of contradictory information.”
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000566.php
RevDeb: “IF, and that’s a big IF Goss and the WH had a case against MM, then she would be just an annoyance to them. Mary may have had something much bigger on them or it’s Fornigate.”
That’s my thinking also, but I think it’s foolish to just disregard speculation that comes from Pincus.
Pincus has some seriously good sources at both CIA and WH. And he’s a good reporter.
Of course, Pincus may just be repeating some spin he’s heard, or maybe he knows something but doesn’t want to step on Dana Priest’s scoop, assuming she has one.
I wonder if anyone has botheredto tell all the intel whose budgets are under Pentagon, or the peace protestors that Rumsfeld has had CIFA keeping under the scope that he “isn’t in the intelligence business.†If he’s not, then would that be something like a misuse and misappropriation of govt services, personnel and equip – to spy on peace protestors? Nah.
Laura Rozen I think makes (albeit wordlessly) an interesting connection between the HuffPo whisper on Under Secretary (Canuck – from whence comes your Cambone info?) and the Pincus MZM CIFA story. http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01705.html
Pincus may be so focused on his piece of the story he doesn’t see the other significance – you don’t, on the cusp of all the Iranian activity going on, just have your CIA director walk out with no replacement ready to go. Sure, Negroponte can strongarm some of it, but you need the window dressing if nothing else.
If CIFA starts to go down too – the speculated demise of the CIA may be a bit premature. If they can weed through Goss, keep Negroponte left footed or form an alliance, and at the same time have some of Rumsfeld’s prize pups like CIFA come under scrutiny and shake up — well, add in pressure on Cheney via his outing of a CIA operative — I just don’t count CIA out. It looks to me that there are too many irons in the fire heating up specifically for people who have taken shots at the CIA to think that CIA is in death throes. ???
BTW Cannuck if you are right about Cambone, I picture Justice as an angel sitting on Mora’s shoulder, dropping a weight on the scales as it happens. *g* I won’t get hopes up though.
BBC Newshour asks “why did the CIA director resign?”
…and seeks answers from ex-CIA head Woolsey.
Amazingly enough, Woolsey only mentions Porter’s subordinate role to Negropponte.
No one mentioned Porter’s other dom(me)s.
Woolsey is talking about the importance of WOC CIA officers in the “fight agaist Al-Quaeda” – but didn’t mention Valerie Plame.
Nothing to see here, just move along.
Geez – listening to BBC news is like listening to NPR’s – a reliable trigger for grief and mourning.
I just did a lightning round check through all three of the Major Cable/Propaganda networks…
All three of them currently in the middle of in-depth discussion about Congressmans Kennedy’s supposed “drinking problem”.
This is news? What’s wrong with these bastards? Who can still watch this daily without vomiting?
“Foggo’s ties to Shirlington Limo and the whole Duke Cunningham mess will probably get him in serious doodoo sooner or later.”
Goggo hits bottom in Foggy Bottom?
Punaise?
jay (#87)
‘atta boy……MORE LIMERICKS!
The CIA has been fucked up for years now.They have been gagging people from talking quite a while. There has been a sort of under the noise bit of pushing and pulling ,turfwar kind of thing hapenning.I have seen several reports of people being very unhappy wrt what Goss and his purge have done for moral.lifers retiring early, job transfers etc. people been bailing out of it in droves because of Heckofajob Goss started gutting things.Perhaps enough was enough and there was a full scale revolt brewing.
The Foggo of war? ; )
cbl – IIRC, the #2 guy at CIA is not mentioned by name for the same reason Valerie Plame was not supposed to be. ;-)
jinny, Gee, Goss had no problem firing career CIA folks but when it comes to Foggo, he balks ?!? Guess friends that pimp together stay together.
You’d think that by now, Republicans would know to always avoid any hotel with “Watergate” in its name regardless of the uh, amenities….
It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature … or the Spooks
The Night of Long Knives
Spooks Threaten to Revolt
Spooks join the Generals
Cozumel:
I think it was Foggo Bottom….
mary: love it!
carlos mencia did a riff on that a week or so ago. he said “let’s play a game called ‘going hunting’. i’ll be dick cheney and you’ll be my best friend!”
“He ran out of there like his ass was on fire. I don’t believe it’s because of McCarthy or Negroponte. Someone has major dirt on this guy.”
Motherlowman 134, that’s my feeling too. Especially if it’s true that Goss cleaned out his desk at 7:30 this morning, and then beelined over to the White House to resign.
None of the current spin seems to make a lick of sense in light of that. I’m with you, I think Goss was running from something.
It could be blackmail, and if so then I guess it’s likely to be connected with Fornigate on some level.
What if the story about Goss being ordered to fire Foggo is true, and Foggo countered with “Fire me, and I’ll show everyone THESE, Party Boy.”
I dunno, it just seems like this is too sudden and frantic a resignation to not be the result of Goss being in some massively hot water about something.
#157, they can’t help it. Its in their genes.
Mash 156
If they partied together, Foggo has Goss in a trap. No way he fires him. Too many tales to tell.
Oscar #127 – Cell phones record film too. All of the people attending would have them too.
JGabriel at 147:”Pincus has some seriously good sources at both CIA and WH. And he’s a good reporter.”
That’s why I thought his comment was significant. But even if he is correct, it still leaves a lot of open
questions. And, if true, we can expect much more to come.
Lou Dobbs to the Rescue? Sounds like he’s going to crawl all over the Goss story.
Then Blitzer went and pissed on my buzzkill by hyping his Rah! Rah! session he’ll be conducting for Bush after the commercial break.
“Bush is losing support among conservatives…” according to Wolf. “We’ll discuss what he needs to do to get back on track when we come back!” Blitzey declares!
BREAKING:
Der Spiegel has photographs of Goss AND BUSH talking to prostitutes.
Holy shit!
.
I’d bet my house the story in WaPo tomorrow contains news of bombshell Wilkes-alicious evidence (pictures?)on Foggo and Goss, confirmed by Mary McCarthy, for which she was summarily fired and trashed in the press. Goss resigned so the headline can read “FORMER CIA Director Accused of Trading Contracts for Prostitutes.”
Oscar says:
May 5th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
#118–That’s what I’m trying to say; the only win or lose for Team Libby is the political one. As long as they can hang on to 50% of the sheeple who buy their lies most of the time, they’ve won.
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They haven’t had more than 50% of the people for over a year. From a political standpoint, the best thing for Libby and his lawyers to do is stop filing motions, keep this story out of the news, and wait for the elections to pass.
As a legal strategy, it doesn’t make much sense, either. The only thing I can come up with is that his legal team is pretty sure that Libby is going to get hit with more charges (such as an IIPA violation) if he somehow manages to skate on these.
Jane Harman was interviewed on NPR’s “All Things Considered” tonight. She steered the interview away from the Watergate issues and said that the problems lay elsewhere, but wasn’t more specific than that, iirc. She also said that she was friends with Porter Goss, etc., etc.
I’m not sure what to make of this. I’m an east-coaster and don’t know much about Harman. I read her Kos entries but don’t really get a sense of much. There are so many things going on here, there are a million angles…
#166..brilliant!
#162 RevDev: they can room together in prison.
Yeah, if Justin Rood is right, if Goss refused to fire Foggo, it’s because he couldn’t–Dusty’s got too much on him.
Wait a minute. Mr. Goss is gone. Mr. Foggo still remains at the CIA? I thought Mr. Foggo was at Foggo Bottom.
171 wouldn’t that be oh so cozy *g*
May 5, 2006, 4:37PM
Libby Loses Bid for Documents in CIA Case
By TONI LOCY Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — A federal judge refused on Friday to give I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby access to a wide range of information from several government agencies, saying he would not allow the former White House aide’s trial in the CIA leak case to become a debate over the war in Iraq.
“You want to try the legitimacy of us going to war,” U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton told lawyers for Vice President Cheney’s former chief of staff. “I don’t see how that will help us determine whether Mr. Libby lied when he talked to the FBI and went before the grand jury.”…
Mary @ 2:42 pm (#148) – Until this moment, I hadn’t heard of CIFA. It’s amazing what a snarled mess BushCo have made of the intelligence establishment in a few short years. I never liked the idea of an “intelligence czar” to begin with, for what I think are obvious reasons, but between CIFA, Rumsfeld’s move to create his own CIA, and the Office of Special Plans (OSP) there’s plenty they’ve done beyond just adding a layer of bureaucracy.
Oscar says:
May 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
#32 aaaargh re: Libby’s latest “defenseâ€â€“
Everyone has got to realize that Team Libby is not interested in the law or in justice. They’re interested in POLITICS. This is a political game with Libby’s future as the side dish. What they’re really doing is trying to muddy the waters so the sheeple and the rightwing media machine have fish to fry. They don’t care if it’s relevant to the case or not.
Good. I hope they continue to act as if this is a political football game. Cause Fitz, the Judge and the jury will clearly understand that this is a LEGAL PROCEEDING IN A COURT OF LAW. I’ll keep my $$$ on the legal team and short the political team.
Grand Moff Texan 166
THAT is just way too funny!
new thread. . . .let’s join the party.
Larry Beinhart’s guesses on Goss:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..20454.html
new thread
No natural curiosity about the fact that it takes effect immediately, or that there is no replacement, or that he had a meeting scheduled this afternoon he didn’t show up for?
“Natural curiousity” is expensive and unpredictable. Employees will please confine their curiosity to wondering about the following:
1) What do the latest RNC talking points say about today’s news?
2) Whose corporate jet is going to Aspen this weekend?
3) Where are those hookers I ordered?(this option temporarily unavailable)Grand Moff Texan @ 2:51 pm (#166) – Hee hee. For just a moment, you had me going there …
#166 ROFL
#179, who is bringing the prostitutes and the cash? Will Duke be there?
#175 re: Turning the Libby trial into the case for war . . .
Have they learned their lesson from Ollie North or WHAT??
Oink!
ok…images don’t work: go here for the cartoon only or go here for the whole post.
166 Grand Moff Texan says:
May 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
BREAKING:
Der Spiegel has photographs of Goss AND BUSH talking to prostitutes.
Holy shit!
Never seen so many whores in one spot – not even in Vegas.
they’re not stepping on the kennedy thing they’re using it as chaff. there was no imperitive that goss leave now, or at least right now. but what better time than another kennedy foible, catnip for a gullible press.
Frank Probst and Oscar – I agree.
It’s pretty clear that Libby’s lawyers have given up on the actual charges. Fitz narrowly drew this (and how smart this looks now!) and now they can only play it for political spin. Smear Wilson, muddy the waters and improve Libby’s chance for a pardon. Bush may not care much in 07 but he is still going to have at least one eye toward legacy. Libby’s lawyers are working for the pardon now.
Not to mention the fact that as Professor Foland pointed out in the comments, the White House would’ve probably sacrificed its collective left nut to avoid stepping on a drunk Kennedy story.
phrases like that are why I keep coming back. Wonderful.
Grad Moff: You give good shaggy dog……..
oscar (#139)
“That’s what I’m trying to say; the only win or lose for Team Libby is the political one. As long as they can hang on to 50% of the sheeple who buy their lies most of the time, they’ve won.”
not exactly; if libby loses, it’s not like he loses a senate seat — he goes to jail — somehow i don’t think he really gives a hoot about the politics at this late stage.
clueless (#177)
“Good. I hope they continue to act as if this is a political football game. Cause Fitz, the Judge and the jury will clearly understand that this is a LEGAL PROCEEDING IN A COURT OF LAW. I’ll keep my $$$ on the legal team and short the political team.”
exactly right — nixon made the same mistake; he tried to fight a legal proceeding as if it were a political campaign, something the bush administration hasn’t quite learned yet.
Tonight on Hardball,
MSNBC Chief Washington Correspondent Norah O’Donnell, sitting in for Chris, will have all the latest on this breaking news
“Latest”? Hah, you wish you effing MSM slowcoach. So slow on the uptake you’re never going to reach the curve much less get out from behind it. No matter how fast you type what they tell you.
Yeeeeehaaawwwwwww…..Hookers, spies, bags o’ hunert dollar bills…can the line o’ blow be far behind. Man……..feels like da’ Seventies. Wit ol’ Dick and Agnew, ‘memeber him kiddies…all luchin’ out of fucking control!
Ride ‘me McChimp…ya little punk…yer gonna git yers.
#194 Libby going to jail makes US feel better (boy, does it!!) and I have complete faith in Fitz and the justice system . . . but remember what a complete and total sycophant Libby is and always has been. If you don’t think he’s willing to sacrifice shimself for the Dear Leader you are kidding yourself.
Be careful, folks .. as events like this pile on thick and fast, it’s such a very good time for a national security emergency, or a tactical nuke-driven preemption .. followed by martial law.
oscar (#197)
“If you don’t think he’s willing to sacrifice shimself for the Dear Leader you are kidding yourself.”
libby is not doing jail time for anybody. if there’s anything that rich white privileged ivy-educated big shots are afraid of, it’s the big house. he’s been a bureaucrat almost his entire career. he’s never served in the military, never had to deal with any situation even vaguely prison-like. he’s facing up to thirty years as somebody’s bitch and he’ll sell out whoever he has to to avoid it, even dear leader.
by the time libby’s trial ends, if dear leader’s administration is still standing, bush will not have the capital to grant him a pardon. libby must realize this.
john husband (#98)
“Be careful, folks .. as events like this pile on thick and fast, it’s such a very good time for a national security emergency, or a tactical nuke-driven preemption .. followed by martial law.”
i actually addressed this in an earlier thread, so i’m just going to paste that response:
not bloody likely — back then [during 9-11] the public gave bush the benefit of the doubt. today he has no credibility or trust. another 9-11 scale attack would only be more proof of his incompetence and impotence. the public will excoriate him. he’d be much better off pulling osama out of a hat. it might be worth a bounce.
neither will the public tolerate his invoking martial law. bush has so far managed to increase his power only through obscure arguments of constitutional law in the wastelands of senate subcommittee chambers, but an overt nationally televised prime-time power grab that even joe sixpack could understand will backfire badly.
Coming from the Northeast like I do, “corrupt contractors” has a certain ring to it (if you know what I mean.) O.K. so now they’ve become involved with intelligience. How much so? Add in illegal male bonding and some “lawmakers.” What other illegal stuff binds them? I wonder. Hoo boy ! Any Fitz clones out there? We need maybe at least 10 of them.
The 7pm version of the WaPo story on Goss’ resignation doesn’t have a word about Wilkes or Hookergate in three full pages. They’re still saying it was part of the White House staff shakeup.
Buncha maroons.
Seems TPM Muckraker has the real news, and the WaPo doesn’t. The WaPo is getting its ass kicked on a juicy and substantive story about Congressional corruption, which is their home turf. What fun!
I think it’s all Clinton’s fault.
3 words: Hotel Video Cameras.
Obviously not in the CIA’s hands. Goss apparently able enough to disable the CIA according to Dubya Bush the Lesser’s wishes but not capable enough to cover his own ass on behalf of Dubya. Watch how few of the dismissed are asked back by the Negroponte vassal. Thanks for the good laugh, gang.
Is there a connection between the fog o’ war and the Foggo whore?
And what about the price of gas at the pump and the price of GOSS at the pimp?
IS jeff GANNON involved in this?
MALE whore prostitutes? What was up with DUKEstir’S preference for 17th century toliets??
#145–Priceless!
The press is so gullible, so naive, so malleable. I thought they were supposed to be a crowd of cynical, jaded skeptics? They seem more interested in putting forth the spin they get from their inside sources, just to show they have inside sources.
“CIA Director Porter Goss has resigned after about 20 months on the job and it’s
a full-blown feeding frenzy in the nation’s capital tonight”
If Goss had managed to control his own “full-blown feeding frenzy” he’d still be CIA director.
I’m sorry, that was cheap, tawdry and I’m better than that.
No I’m not, giggle, hoot, smirk.
I effing LOVE second terms don’t you?
WE WANT A FEEDING FRENZY!
Wild speculation dept.
1) Hookergate
2) Torturegate – RenderAir- secret Gulag
3) Unforseen blowback in operations – Iran?
4) Unknown unknowns
5) Combinatorial’s of some or all of the above and released as chaff along side the temporary cover of the PK prang story and the trad Friday ‘ bring-out-yr-dead’ news sluff.
This Goss can probably say ‘ My work here is done’ Insofar as he could do it. score one for the ‘ Wermacht’. I hope they can get someone inside the ‘ wolfslair’ and why not boobytrap the Fuhrerbunker while yr at it?
‘ We have a right to destroy those who would destroy us’ – GWB
“humorless prudes”
You’re too kind.
I see a pack of well paid Hyenas, laughing and snarling over a politician caught drunk (and duly reported it should be).
I see same pack passing over juicier meat, because to eat and chew would be to bite the hand that feeds them so well.
I in fact see criminals, using their Constitutional Right to Freedom of the Press, while ignoring their Constitutional Duty to keep Americans as well informed as humanly possible.
Present Company excepted.
#47: and a poll shows that 67% of those responded “yes” to whether they think our government had foreknowledge of 911.
Curiously concurrent results….
It’s the hooker’s, stupid!
Now, the question is, were they female, or was ‘Ol Gannon involved?
From the WayneMadsenReport, May 3, 2006:
May 3, 2006 — GOP sex scandal has roots in Iran-Contra. According to sources close to the investigation of GOP businessmen Mitchell Wade and Brent Wilkes in the Duke Cunningham bribery scandal involving GOP members of Congress and sex escorts, poker parties, hotel suites, and limousines, many of the behind-the-scenes principals in the affair were involved in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s. There is a focus on the activities of Porter Goss’s CIA Executive Director Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, who was reportedly assigned to John Negroponte’s death squad and Contra support operations in Honduras in the 1980s. Foggo is a good friend of Wilkes from their days as students in San Diego.
Foggo’s past job was in chief of logistics, including contract administration, for the CIA’s main European and Middle East support base in Frankfurt, Germany. Informed sources believe that Foggo was a key individual in approving contracts for many of the CIA rendition airline companies responsible for transporting “Al Qaeda” suspects from and to the Middle East via Frankfurt and other airports. The owners of these airline companies include many Iran-Contra veterans who were responsible for flying arms and drugs for the CIA in the 1980s.
There must be pictures of Goss WEARING the blue dress!
Was he working on the plumbing then?
Has anyone noticed the dead ender rabid righties tossin’ W under the bus? “He’s not a true conservative – he’s a LIBERAL Republican…” its a pattern I’m seeing in some of my encounters with the knuckle draggers as of late. It’s like they are saying “he’s one of yours anyway.” WTF’s up with that bull$@#??? Of course that’s not really surprising.
I’m sure we all remember being called unAmerican for not agreeing with Lil George.
Cinco de Fitzo!
My esteemed colleague at Salon’s Table Talk discussion forum, Chuck Lawhorn, has provided the name I use for the Cunningham-Goss-Foggo bribery scandal: Lead-A-Whore-To-Watergate.
If Goss lost to Negroponte in a pissing match it must be because Negroponte’s evidence of wrongdoing by Bush Senior trumps Goss’s evidence against the same guy. These two are joined at the hip when it comes to ties to the Bush family and actions contrary to this country, starting with Negroponte’s actions in Vietnam to his tenure in Honduras during the death squads rampage and Porter Goss’s covert assassination work with the CIA in Latin America in the late 50s and early 60s, including a stint in Mexico City while Howard Hunt was there.
If these two guys have a falling out that threatens the Bush crime family, look for a convenient plane crash (maybe Luis Posada Carrilles or Juan Bosch can be enlisted).
MSM will remain mute