Bloomberg has a nice summary up of today’s Libby hearing. It looks like Libby’s got nothing but smoke and mirrors, and the judge is getting tired of the sideshow:
Lawyer Ted Wells, representing former chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, said about five witnesses would testify that agent Valerie Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson, revealed her secret job duties before they were disclosed in a 2003 newspaper column.
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“I don’t see how this is relevant to the case,” Walton told Wells during the hearing. Any focus on Wilson’s report would turn the trial into an inquiry on “statements the president made in the State of the Union. You want to try the legitimacy of us going to war,” the judge said.
Walton questioned how evidence about Wilson’s findings would “help the jury decide whether Libby lied to the FBI or the grand jury” in the leak investigation. The judge said he’ll issue a written ruling on the documents later.
If Walton thinks the whole thing sounds like bullshit now, wait ’til he sees the witness list. Can we assume the list will include Lt. General Tom McInerney and Maj. General Paul Vallely? They’ve made these claims before and Vallely’s couldn’t even stand up to Jeralyn’s Lexis/Nexis debunking (as I recall this erupted around the same time as the "Joe Wilson is a French Spy" theory, Vallely eventually admitted he screwed up the dates and Sean Hannity told us that this made his story even more plausible). They’re both big neocons, authors of the Regnery classic "Endgame: The Blueprint For Victory in The War On Terror," and as Digby noted:
These are all extremely creepy people involved in all kinds of neocon cloak and dagger fantasies. Just like Dick Cheney, whose idea of military leadership was gleaned from watching movies and TV series. They are part of the crackpot Cheney cabal. These two men specifically are Jack D. Ripper and Buck Turgidson come to life.
No wonder Wells didn’t name them — it would’ve killed all the PR value. Oh well, he can thank Hookergate for that anyway. But how could the Scooter Crew pass up the opportunity to continue the War on Wilson, even if their sources are incredibly sketchy? I guess it’s all they’ve got. Bloomberg:
Wilson "is going to be a witness in this case,” Wells said. “I’ve got about five witnesses who will testify Mr. Wilson talked to them about his wife” before syndicated columnist Robert Novak wrote about Plame in July 2003. Wells didn’t give details on the witnesses’ identity.Walton again expressed doubts.
"I don’t know how it has any bearing on whether your client allegedly testified falsely,” the judge said.
I’m a little worried. If Walton is going to continue to point out the obvious like this it could put us out of business.




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Fitz!
Now to read the post…
just to fitz with you
is everything i need
Fitz!
Shuster and Olbermann had some interesting comments this evening. Anyone catch it?
Great illustration, Jane–no doubt very illustrative of Team Libby’s state of mind!
Man, this is some sad shit. Like, I don’t even need Christy’s help here.
The WashPost has this beautiful quote from Libby’s lawyer, speaking to the judge today: “I’ve got a tough haul in front of this jury.”
No kidding! That’s almost as good as the quote from a Libby lawyer at a previous hearing that said that if the defense wasn’t allowed certain leeway in their defense, then the jury would convict. Sweet.
In the “Twists and Turns” thread, anon mentioned the possibility that Cliff May might be one of the anti-Wilson witnesses. He’s certainly made a point of saying that Valerie Plame’s CIA work wasn’t a secret, as stupid as that may sound.
“I’m a little worried. If Walton is going to continue to point out the obvious like this it could put us out of business.”
Jane – please think of all the other scandals to keep up with! (Or did I miss some snark in your closing paragraph?)
In (#9) that “He” should say “May”, not “anon”. Just wanted to make that clear.
3 or 4 comments at bottom of last thread re Shuster on Plame: Among other points:
May be a document that shows Scooter knew about CIA’s concern about Plame’s position prior to he conversations with Judy.
May be another Rove document other than the e-mail to Hadley that mentions Plame.
Shuster concluding that “tea leaves” all suggestion greater chance Rove will be indicted.
It went by very fast.
Out of business ? I don’t like the sound of that.
Re: Shuster and Olbermann had some interesting comments this evening. Anyone catch it?
Came in on the middle of it. I’m hoping Raw Story comes up with a transcript or something. Shuster is back on the trail. All I caught was something about the evidence that’s being withheld from team Libby due to an ongoing investigation with regard to another official, i.e. Rove, will coming to a resolution shortly.
God, it sounded rather dramatic. Also Shuster said something about Fitz’s unusal body language and intent on not saying the name Rove.
Don’t know if that makes any sense, but that’s what I caught.
Scooty Pants is going to prison!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
Help Impeach Today!!!!
You should know the drill ;)
…before this fitz is through, I think I’ll love you too…
Jane, you’re funny — i laughed aloud
i’m grateful if walton frees up your time to follow hookergate because that’s going to be juicier than libby’s doings: bush is dawdling about whether to fire rumsfeld, who’s an abject clown, but he kissed goss’s rectum goodbye before you could say jack robinson
No doubt you saw Byron York pimping this on NRO as a scoop. I hope Libby is paying him for is efforts.
If Walton is going to continue to point out the obvious like this it could put us out of business.
Two points:
1) One perspicacious federal judge does not a movement toward intelligence make; and
2) Isn’t (aren’t) your blog job(s)one(s) you would love to see become obsolete (like death penalty defense attorney)?
“The prosecutor also said he does not know when Bush and Cheney decided to declassify sections of the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate dealing with Iraq’s efforts to obtain yellowcake so Libby could share it with reporters.
Fitzgerald said all he has is Libby’s testimony, in which he said he might have shared the information with reporters before the decision was officially made in July 2003.
Wells added that Libby was told several times to go forward but abruptly told to stop before he finally talked to the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward and The New York Times’ Judith Miller.”
Some more details from today’s hearing as reported by the AP’s Toni Locy here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..e/cia_leak
I think you are reading this just right, Jane. It does feel like the Libby team is ‘wearing out its welcome’ so to speak, while slowly getting painted into a corner.
I like those Shuster tea leaves. :)
until we reach true communism when the state will wither away, this blog will have governments to criticize and politicians to skewer…in other words, don’t hold your breath!
“Wilson “is going to be a witness in this case,’’ Wells said. “I’ve got about five witnesses who will testify Mr. Wilson talked to them about his wife’’ before syndicated columnist Robert Novak wrote about Plame in July 2003. Wells didn’t give details on the witnesses’ identity.
Walton again expressed doubts.
“I don’t know how it has any bearing on whether your client allegedly testified falsely,’’ the judge said.
This is exactly the point I posted toward the end of the last thread. Thank goodness somebody with some power also has some sanity. I was beginning to think that power and sanity were mutually exclusive traits in our Federal government.
Shuster had a great report. He said Fitz’s body language was the most revealing about todays court appearance by the prosecutor. He said Fitz went out of his way not to mention Rover, and his body language made it obvious to him, something is up. I am paraphrasing but that is the gist.
Shuster is HOT!
I too laughed out loud at Jane’s last graf.
Jane,
something you may have covered in the past, but since we are hearing the Rove will be asked to testify for Libby, what does that mean for Fitzgeralds case against Rove? Would this be a good thing for Fitz or bad?
Love your work. Thanks for all your hard work!!
Out of Business??! Fat Chance!
it’s a “stupidity” defense
all this work is going toward an “incompetent council” appeal
it’s scooter’s only hope
or maybe scooter and his whole legal team are gonna plead insanity
I’m with dear Sharkbabe – not only do I not need Christy, it’s obvious they may be hoping the judge rules against them so they can publicly claim, their boy wasn’t even allowed to bring forth witnesses that blah, blah, blah
and again, I thought Ted Wells was some Top Dog white collar crime guy – can any of the Plameologists tell me if Babs and Wells have ‘worked’ together before ?
Who appointed Judge Walton?
Bloomberg: “Wilson ‘is going to be a witness in this case,’ Wells said. ‘I’ve got about five witnesses who will testify Mr. Wilson talked to them about his wife’ before syndicated columnist Robert Novak wrote about Plame in July 2003.”
Witness: … Oh yeah, Joe and I talked about his wife alla time. Smart lady. Hot, too. She went through some depression after the kids were born, you know. Strong woman. Got herself some help, and then started helping others who were going through the same thing. Sorry, what was that?
Wells: Yes, but her *career*. Did you talk about Mrs. Wilson’s career?
Witness: Oh, yeah, sure we did.
Wells: Thank you. Your witness.
Fitz: So… what did Mr. Wilson say about his wife’s career?
Wells: Objection!!! That’s classified.
Judge: Not anymore. Overruled.
Witness: Said she was some kind of energy consultant. Had to travel to Boston occasionally.
Fitz: Thank you.
Me3 — you may need a new petition — to get the Republican grownups to make “the visit” to the WH to deliver the verdict, “You’re done, Mr. President.”
Seriously, we may be reaching the point where a statesman in either party could publicly propose that the Administration resign, en masse, for the good of the country.
If it’s a Dem, like Feingold, he would suggest:
Cheney to resign, immediately.
Bush to nominate a new VP, acceptable to the Senate. That means it could be a Republican.
Bush resigns.
New Pres accepts resignations of Rice and Rumsfeld and rest of Cabinet.
New interim goverment of national unity offered to Senate for advice and consent.
IMO, We are there, and this would happen if this were a rational world and there were any honor left in our political leadership. Otherwise . . .
I’d be willing to bet that this scenario, or something like it, is now being discussed,quietly, privately in/out of Congress and in the editorial board rooms of numerous major papers. The country can’t take this much longer, and everyone now knows it.
Re: I like those Shuster tea leaves. :)
Oh and there were several other somethings that really irked me that I missed. It was something about Fitz having other Rove documents about Plame (not merely the Hadley email) and something about does this mean they knew her position was classified, and how close to getting charged with the original crime did Libby come.
God, I live for this kind of news and I got distracted and missed most. Dang!
Not obvious enough for Byron Hairdo apparently.
EAGLES
“Desperado”
Desperado, why don’t you come to your senses?
You been out ridin’ fences for so long now
Oh, you’re a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin’ you
Can hurt you somehow
…
Desperado, oh, you ain’t gettin’ no younger
Your pain and your hunger, they’re drivin’ you home
And freedom, oh freedom well, that’s just some people talkin’
Your prison is walking through this world all alone …
and Joementum would humbly offer up his name as Vice President in the new Unity Government
I just flew in from EPUpia, and boy are my arms tired:
Stephen Parrish, CPA 155
Could Porter be a family name?
no, it’s his new job title, with all that baggage…
The only way Cheney’s leaving the White House is feet-first or in handcuffs.
Snark six engage!
This creepy pervert Irving Libby exert’s a terrible fascination – he’s like a gian cockroach so I wrote to John Dickerson the political guy at SLATE about him…
To: slatepolitics@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:29 AM
Subject: Dear John
I’m writing to re the Yellowgate case. You seem to want to find out what happened very much, even going so far as to call for donations to the Libby defence fund, presumably as a way to ‘ shake-the-tree’ on government secrecy as per yr fine article.
Since you wrote that most interesting article I note that Sen.Arlen Specter and the New York Times have also joined your call for more disclosure.
I know how competitive news organizations can be but surely it would follow on from your ‘ begging’ article were you to follow up with three punchy button points in a fresh article. For example…
1) I JD wish to join in Arlen Specter’s call for more information on these matter’s. More hard data.
2) I JD want to see the President’s and the Vice president’s copies of their interviews with the investigator. The president himself has stated quite firmly that he wants the truth to get out and that is why he declassified parts of the NIA for Libby.
3) I JD think that the stalling on Phase 2 by Pat Roberts looks dreadfully like a cover-up and in the name of all that is decent and good that Phase 2 be expedited and released asap.
Catch my drift John? Someone with yr smarts and position could really move things along.
Look forward to hearing from you soon on this. Best – pr
I did get a reply but one that made little or no sense and so I’m trying to clarify what John is on about and whether he a contrarian ‘to the max’ or having a nervous breakdown or just what is going on over there at Slate.
I’ll try and get his permission to reveal his side of the conversation and get back to youse.
Link to Shuster/Hardball video
http://www.canofun.com/cof/for…..yType=flat
freepatriot says:
May 5th, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Keeping in mind that Scooter is an attorney, he would be hard pressed to successfully appeal because he was represented by ineffective or incompetent counsel.
As for recourse to an insanity defense in a federal criminal case, let’s look at this Wikipedia excerpt:
Luskin is pathetic. The other day I was entertained by a reply on a small blog I post at in rebuttal to something I had posted. The person who was “debating” me was using Swift Boat Liar quotes and links to show me how far I had drifted off course from reality.
It’s one thing for poor pathetic losers posting repeatedly debunked lies and jumptomytunes on blogs with small audiences, but for Luskin, an attorney on the world stage, to try and pass off such simplistic whackabee to a judge who has heard it all before…? well, that is pathetic beyond all bounds.
kitt: Luskin is Rove’s attorney, not Libby’s. Ted Wells is the lead lawyer for Scooter…
love that drawing.
circling the drain, indeed!
# 37-Either way is fine with me.
punaise says:
May 5th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
My reply is on the prior thread.
hang a left says:
May 5th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Thank you for providing that link!
Um, Kitt? I don’t think Luskin’s in front of a judge yet. Luskin ius Rove’s lawyer, the guy who hasn’t been indicted. Yet.
Did you perchance mean Wells? That’s Libby’s lawyer.
SP CPA – sorry, it didn’t fit in the overheard carion compartment.
scarecrow #31 – I agree with you. ANYTHING to get this scum out of the White House.
But it’s going to take more grassroots pressure I am guessing… Many people are waking up, but they are slow to become activist and put forth pressure to oppose the regime and push for changes.
“We the people” – Have been asleep at the wheel for the most part and seem to have a “let someone else deal with it” mentality.
Until people start making real noise… Enough to scare even the “safe” incumbents… They will keep trying to put fresh paint on the potemkin village and swear the people are happy and nothing is wrong.
Even if that position is wholly delusional…
The Emperor has no clothes… Wait till he catches cold. And he will.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
Anyone think Rove outed Goss last week?
.
RE: Hoe Down…Ed Rollins is giving away alot on this story, first the other night on Charlie Rose, and again tonight on Lou Dobbs. He went alittle further tonight and pointed to the “Black Budget” programs at DOD and CIA. That’s where these guys were stuffing their contracts, and this thing is gonna focus on the Armed Services Comm. and the Intell Comm. in the house. Intell is Porter Goss’s old chairmanship.
Um, Kitt? I don’t think Luskin’s in front of a judge yet. Luskin ius Rove’s lawyer, the guy who hasn’t been indicted. Yet.
Did you perchance mean Wells? That’s Libby’s lawyer.
Yeah. Wells. That’s what I meant.
“Wells added that Libby was told several times to go forward but abruptly told to stop before he finally talked to the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward and The New York Times’ Judith Miller.”
They knew she was covert – end of story.
Oh my.. someone at KOS made a good catch. Do you recall that Goss said that he was never at a party where women were used as prostitutes?
Kinda precise phrasing, don’t you think?
Why didn’t he just say there were no prostitutes *snicker*.
Wow! Thanks, hang a left, for that video!
So, freakin’ Libby’s attorney disclosed that the CIA WARNED Libby about the implications of revealing Plame’s name! And this ocurred sometime after Libby’s June conversation with Miller but before his July conversations with her and Cooper! And he apparently “missed it by that much” (anyone remember Maxwell Smart?) being indicted on the original leak charge.
Pardon my french, but HOLY SHIT!
Moreover, it was the judge who mentioned that a resolution on the Rove matter would be coming soon. Wowie wowers!
Scooter is in a world of hurt. And once the truth comes out about Porty, and it will, and once Rove gets the Dear Karl letter from Fitz, the bottom is going to fall out for Bush. I think he’ll see 28%. It’s really only a matter of time, comrades. Both Bush and Cheney should STFU because the entire world is over their crap.
“Wells added that Libby was told several times to go forward but abruptly told to stop before he finally talked to the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward and The New York Times’ Judith Miller.â€
told by whom, exactly?
Meta, the bottoms fell out of the white house when Gannon left.
Col. Wilkerson a month ago:
“More leaks are coming, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
Ed Rollins also said on Dobbs that Hook-O-Roma was going to be a lot bigger than anyone thinks. Ed doesn’t own a tin foil hat.
I just saw the Countdown clip. C&L will have it up soon. The quote is pretty amazing:
“And movement in one of the other major scandals’ investigations underway in the capital, Scooter Libby denied access to records documenting Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger, and a revelation that in July 2003 Libby was warned about the potential damage of outing Valerie Plame’s name and identity. The judge also signaling that the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation into Karl Rove might be nearing the close, noting that he expects resolution in the forseeable future of the problem of documents in the case that have been withheld because they touch on Rove, and because he is part of an ongoing investigation.”
If the got that out of the trial today, and Bloomberg, the WaPo and AP all failed to mention it, I’d say that was a pretty big journalistic oversight.
Me3 — agree that more public pressure is needed. But I also think that the political leadership can decide they need to make a change well before we have millions of people in the streets — and indeed, if we had millions, it’s not clear to me the outcome would be better.
I don’t know how this will end, but it seems someone is going to have to suggest a way out that allows the “other side” to accept the need for change. We have no precedent for what needs to be done.
Pow wow — I have absolutely no idea why you are getting caught in comment moderation and I apologize. I have looked and looked and tried to find out what it is but I can’t figure it out. Same thing happened to Me3, there didn’t seem to be any reason for it. I’m very sorry and will move the comments into the thread as soon as possible.
Hi Kitt! Yep, way patheticsville indeedy…
I just flew in from EPUpia, and boy are my arms tired:
and you’re here all week, and try the veal
Might Libby’s Stupidity Defense hinge, in part, on the lame actions of the hired lawyer he is directing for his own defense?
Reposted from prior thread, with some additional comments:
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
May 5th, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Cozumel says:
May 5th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
What do you think of this excerpt from that story?
If Rove is indicted, how can he appear as a witness for either side? Is someone trying to force Team Fitz to disclose Rove’s status now or disclose that he may have flipped?
Additional comments:
SharonW says (May 5th, 2006 at 5:49 pm) : “All I caught was something about the evidence that’s being withheld from team Libby due to an ongoing investigation with regard to another official, i.e. Rove, will be coming to a resolution shortly.”
Another post indicates that Judge Walton made the comment that matters pertaining to Rove would be coming to a resolution shortly. Apart from Rove’s possible indictment or from disclosure that Rove has flipped, what other inferences can be drawn from Judge Walton’s comment?
Sharkbabe: Cat skills
It’s probably not a good sign for Libby when the judge has to point out to your lawyer that your planned defense has nothing to do with the crimes with which you have been charged. From what has been posted, it seems like Judge Walton all but told Wells to forget about a Swift Boat defense.
It’s also painfully obvious that any defense based on the “common knowledge” of Valerie’s CIA employment should have the judge and Fitzgerald asking why Libby had to lie about what he did remember and claim to forget everything else if talking about Valerie was so benign.
I, for one, am chuckling over the knowledge that, between the lawyers, the paralegals, the research, etc., Libby is paying thousands of dollars per hour, and this is the best his team can come up with. Pretty indicative that he has no case, and there is no defense for what he did.
Scarecrow#62
I don’t know how this will end, but it seems someone is going to have to suggest a way out that allows the “other side†to accept the need for change. We have no precedent for what needs to be done.
You must be forgetting who it is that we are dealing with. “Accept a need for change”? No. I don’t think that is going to happen. If they pretended to “accept” anything it would be a lie, manipulation, denial…anything but an actual and honest “accept a need for change”.
Re: Goss, poster at Kos notes the following point:
Now, heading into the election season, we can look forward to a grueling confirmation hearing for a new CIA director which is almost certain to put the actions of the last, Bush administration-appointed CIA director in a negative light. Democrats, smelling a big victory in November, and a weakened President, are going to ask some fairly tough questions. And Bush’s perceived national security strength, already seriously damaged, is likely to be ripped to shreds.
Jane — it seems that “the documents . . . that pertain to Rove” language is what Shuster interpreted as suggesting other Rove documents mentioning Plame/Wilson? Maybe I misheard (unmisrecollected–?) that? Or is there some other way to make that connection?
FWIW, Larry Johnson over at NO QUARTER is saying that Goss himself didn’t attend the parties only his top aide. He figures that Goss trying to explain himself out of the situation didn’t work with all of his other problems at the agency. Who knows…
Medals on a wooden mantel nest to a handsome face
That the president took for granted
Writing checks that others pay.
And in all the madness thoughts become numb and naive So much to talk about. There’s nothing for to say.
It’s the same every day and the wave won’t break
Tell you to pray while the devils on their shoulder.
Laying claim to the take our soldier’s save
Does not equate. and the truth’s already out there
The whole world…..the world over
It’s a worldwide suicide.
Looking in the eyes of the fallen
You know there’s Another, Another, Another, Another
Another way.
Eddie Vedder
(cannot format properly)
I am so grateful to have seen a theater full of everymen and women singing this at the top of their lungs this morning. The song is great and it will speak to younger people in a way a blog may not. I spoke to a 22 year old young man at the bookstore today and he said he had “a number of things that needed to come before becoming politically active”. I showed him crashing the gate, gave him the fdl and kos sites (had on tshirt-fdl) and told him there was nothing more important. They would be another group to target in some way.
MTV has produced an online game about Darfur. The designer’s goal was turning education into action. As the player, you are a refugee who has to find food, water and shelter while avoiding the Janjaweed.
DarfurisDying
Re: Goss, poster at Kos notes the following point:
Now, heading into the election season, we can look forward…”
One easy route would be to take Bush’s dimwitted praise for Goss qoutes when he signed Goss on. Talk about biting you in the butt! Damed near as good as his Commander Codpiece episode.
And if they are going to plant General NSA McSnoopy to replace Porty, let’s hope the Dems will have the huevos to ask him some pointy questions about all his activities in that secret not-really-there place. I want to see that sucker squirm.
If the got that out of the trial today, and Bloomberg, the WaPo and AP all failed to mention it, I’d say that was a pretty big journalistic oversight.
Oh hell, mainstream media hasn’t even caught up with Shuster on the Plame worked on the Iran nuclear assessment yet.
The way things seem to go these days is I read the real news in a liberal blog or journal. With varying amounts of time from months to days someone like Shuster gets ahold of it. Then it takes mainstream about another two weeks to even mention it.
Credit goes to Editor & Publisher for picking up Redd’s read this week. Those who start learning who the really smart and informed bloggers are will soon realize there’s a wealth of untapped talent which doesn’t even require a payroll to get the job done and done right. Christ, if nothing else you think that might shame their own reporters into getting real.
Marky!
Help for a newbie in the blogosphere, please. I don’t watch tv (sanity preservation), thus I am unsure who Shuster and Olbermann are. That teaser about Shuster noting something special about Fitz’s body language grabbed my attenion, I being a student of wildlife behavior of which body language is an integral component. So what’s it about? How do I read/see Shuster? Olbermann?
While I’m here, an observation: those who are driven by lust for treasure and power simply cannot grasp the fact that some are motivated by other things. They sneer at anyone who cares less for lucre than knowledge or true charity or the good of us all. I work for the state of Florida (pity me: BushX2), and nowhere is the disrespect for the absence of motivation by greed more apparent. Except in the Beltway, I reckon.
Not one of Fitzgerald’s adversaries will understand how badly they are overmatched by the combination of intellectual power and integrity this man exhibits. Don’t know how our society got so lucky, but let’s just take a collective deep breath and hope the stars align.
Further observation: Fitz has the gaze of an alpha wolf, and were it fixed on me, I would be very, very, worried.
It’s taken me so long to write this that events may have totally o’ertaken. Please forgive.
punaise, three words – broadway danny rose
The end of bushco is going to be as spectacular as the whole bushco horror show has been.
Joe Wilson has said repeatedly that only a very small handful of people outside of the agency knew of his wife’s real profession. Those people were himself and Valerie of course, and Valerie’s mother (or something like that). If he had informed others, then he was not telling the truth. I tend to believe Joe Wilson and consider him a real hero. But I, for one, would like to hear from these people. Perhaps not in a court of law, but for the complete, truthful record. Let them step forth in public and tell their story. And let Wilson have a chance to rebut.
Gyro!!!
Thanks for the link to the Pearl Jam webcast last night!!!! It was just wonderful. I loves me some Eddie Vedder.
end of off-topic posts.
Sorry
Help for a newbie in the blogosphere, please. I don’t watch tv (sanity preservation), thus I am unsure who Shuster and Olbermann are. That teaser about Shuster noting something special about Fitz’s body language grabbed my attenion, I being a student of wildlife behavior of which body language is an integral component. So what’s it about? How do I read/see Shuster? Olbermann?
Link to Shuster/Hardball video (thanks to message #40 hang a left)
Once there, click on the link video to David Shuster on Rove Indictments May 5 2006 and then click the permalink.
http://www.canofun.com/cof/for…..layType=fl at
scarecrow – that’s what it sounds like to me.
No need to apologize, Jane, but thanks for the explanation. That’s software for ya… [I figured it was maybe because I triggered a keyword/multiple link filter in two out of three successive posts a while back, and that got me into some ‘marked for moderation until further notice’ secondary filter.] At any rate, I’ll just keep expecting it for the time being — ’cause I certainly don’t want you spending any more precious time on it solely on my account. Thanks again.
Hypatia — Keith Olberman is a ‘talking head’ on MSNBC and currently is about the only one that the rational people, and blogpeople, can stomach … er watch.
I would bet you could find his website which discusses some of what he will have, or has had on his program. Shuster is a journalist that Keith has on quite freqnetly and seems very good.
Thanks, Hypatia – I am clueless and feel stupid on the Shuster thing too – I know I caught it somewhere back when, but so much stuff to keep straight – hey you Shusterite bastids, linky please!
Raw Story is back to normal; whatever problems they were encountering with their Web site seem to have been resolved.
Olbermann is on basic cable M$NBC at 8pm ET — Schuster is a newsperson who frequently does decent reporting on that show
SharonW,
“Oh hell, mainstream media hasn’t even caught up with Shuster on the Plame worked on the Iran nuclear assessment yet.”
I’ve heard this before but when David “fact checker” Shuster says it, it gives it the stamp of credibility.
Somewhat related. Libby’s attorney called Joe Wilson a “habitual liar” in court. Can Wilson sue for slander or liable? From what I’ve been told, no, he can’t. Written and/or verbal court related matters are exempt, or protected from what I understand.
If these five witnesses exist, and are credible, why hasn’t Wilson been indicted — we’re looking at five counts of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, right?
Wells has bupkis.
A Wilson indictment would completely neutralize the whole scandal. They’d do it in a heartbeat if they had anything….
Roberto#80
Let them step forth in public and tell their story. And let Wilson have a chance to rebut.
Our best guess is that at least two of these people have already stepped forward a long time ago. They made fools of themselves again and again. Perhaps we’ll see how more or less credible the others are. But with a track record like what has passed before there is little reason to expect anything other than what we have already witnessed. I just hope time and energy aren’t wasted on another batch of lies produced by the same batch of producers who relentlessly change the conversation by providing the stenographers with yet another batch of lies and liars.
Thanks, Hypatia – I am clueless and feel stupid on the Shuster thing too – I know I caught it somewhere back when, but so much stuff to keep straight – hey you Shusterite bastids, linky please!
Look UP^^^^ Message 82 and 40 before it. :)
oops, never mind, thanks SharonW!
(a sharon w here in southern MD is my best friend & bittersweet recent ex)
all Sharons rock, that is all
Hypatia
You have a great name
Hypatia, you can find Olberman’s transcripts on MSNBC webpage, click on or search for Countdown, the name of his show.
I don’t watch tv either, but you can pretty much count on our faithful watchers to blog what’s happening. Schuster is a good guy, doesn’t seem to miss much, and isn’t afraid of the word prostitute, so stay tuned.
Are you the Hypatia from Glenn’s blog. Nice to see you here. BTW, EPU’d means getting left behind at the end of a thread when everyone else has moved up^^^. Named after our benevolent, omniscient holy man, Evil Parallel Universe. Trust me, you need to know this. You’ll see.
Do we really trust the Dems to beat their chests and make these confirmation hearings count?? There are also the judgeships in addition to Goss, and there will be others, or so I hear, who will follow him out of CIA.
God let every one of these EVIL FUCKS go down. I don’t care how.
folks, as a tech geek- i gotta tell ya.
There’s something weird about that Raw Story error message.
“Currently awaiting resolution…” is not a standard DNS error or a File 404.
I know it’s not a DNS error, because when I do a Host Lookup, guess what:
pinto:~ patrick$ host http://www.rawstory.com
http://www.rawstory.com has address 217.160.250.39
It resolves.
If it was a database error, you’d see a MySQL error # or whatever database they were using. Geeks may be obscure to the uninitiated, but to each other, they tend to be pretty specific about the sorts of errors messages that they generate.
Else, how would you fix the problem?
Scanning around, it appears that the whole site is down. I am tempted to do an NMAP scan and see if Apache is running at all. That, by the way, is not, eh, totally, um… legal. So…
I’ll get back to you on that.
More as I figure out what’s actually happening.
Your geek,
-patrick
Somewhat related. Libby’s attorney called Joe Wilson a “habitual liar†in court. Can Wilson sue for slander or liable? From what I’ve been told, no, he can’t. Written and/or verbal court related matters are exempt, or protected from what I understand.
I certainly have no idea, not being an atty myself. However, I have heard of the possibility that the Wilson’s do have grounds for a personal law suit (on what basis I don’t recall), but they haven’t made any final decisions on that.
The Shuster transcript link is back on comment #40, compliments of hang a left.
There is another attempted link, but probably copied from #40, and when you do that it doesn’t capture the full link. Go back to #40.
Patrick,
our hero, and our new little brother.
wait, is he the younger one?
Davis X. Machina says: “A Wilson indictment would completely neutralize the whole scandal.”
May 5th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Were Joe Wilson culpable in this case, do you think that the CIA would have referred the case to the Justice Department?
Yeah the historical Hypatia – what a gal
Jane Hamsher @ 6:32 pm (#63) – It is a mysterious process. The only thing I’ve noticed is that most, if not all comments I’ve made that required moderation had a long URL in it. I suspect it’s due to a bug/misfeature in the filtering software, because I’ve clearly been able to post comments with long URLs without triggering moderation.
BTW, do you think Andrea (Mrs. Greenspan) Mitchell is one of Wells’ witnesses? Now THAT would be funny!
Joe Wilson isn’t lying. Period.
Hypatia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_of_Alexandria
ref: my (#103) – That should read “a long URL in them”. Blast these pronouns!
SharonW,
“I certainly have no idea, not being an atty myself. However, I have heard of the possibility that the Wilson’s do have grounds for a personal law suit (on what basis I don’t recall), but they haven’t made any final decisions on that.”
I’m referring specifically to what was said or written in court filings etc. Everything else is fair game. So I’ve been told by an attorney and former judge several years ago in an unrelated matter ; )
patrick says:
May 5th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
Please look at my 6:55 post (87).
I don’t know what this means, but if you click on the link to the Jeff Gannon story at HuffPO it will take you to Raw Story… haven’t tried to then click on anything else there — got distracted reading the Gannon story. Have we been talking about that anywhere that I have missed here?
I’ve had only one post go into moderation. The entire content of the post was:
“I hope Leopold is right.”
oops, never mind, thanks SharonW!
(a sharon w here in southern MD is my best friend & bittersweet recent ex)
all Sharons rock, that is all
You’re welcome. I’m a Sharon from CT and I don’t run into many Sharons at all.
Someone once likened me (under another nic and another message board) to Sharon Stone. Considering this was all on the basis of written exchanges I took that as a great compliment. I think Sharon Stone is really quite smart and quick at the draw. She totally cracked me up on Jon Stewart’s show, reducing him to almost babble, in a nice way, of course. :)
Jimmy/Jeff Gannon/Guckert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon
Stephen Parrish, CPA says: 7:10
Odd- I can’t get it to resolve here.
and I am getting some weird errors. I wonder if I do another host query, will the IP have changed…..
um.
pinto:~ patrick$ host http://www.rawstory.com
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
??
Seems like there’s some weird DNS stuff going on here.
Stephen- can you still hit http://www.rawstory.com?
patrick @ 7:04 pm (#97) – If you’re getting a page from the site then their web server, whatever it is, is running. My guess is that either this is some sort of failover screen that the site goes to when things are, as we sometimes say in the defense industry, tango uniform. Either that or they have the site down for maintenance and that’s the web page they decided to put up in the meantime.
And yes, network and site administrators take a dim view of being scanned by someone they don’t know.
Can’t tell what Scoots is up to. It’s possible that he thought he’d have the pardon by now and is upping the ante by threatening to call people as witnesses who would be faced with perjury charges if forced to repeat things that they have previously said under oath.
Flexing his muscles? Showing that he can take the other fudderfluskers down with him?
Beats me. But Walton’s statement that the Rove issue would be settled soon is interesting. How would he know?
That HuffPo link works because it goes to http://www.rawprint.com
9:06 CST and Raw Story still down
Goss- FYI – Was asking in earlier threads
Goss’s #2 is Rear Admiral Albert Calland III – (Annapolis ‘74)haven’t heard his name mentioned once in any of the Corp Media Fest. Funny, the second Tenet, stepped down we all knew McGlaughlin would be his temp replacement
Worked with Tommy Franks as Spec. Ops Component Commander in Enduring Freedom
miscellany – during Patsy Robert’s ‘Phase 1′ hearings, it was proposed that only civilians and no military were to hold top tier positions – without passing proposal, it was agreed Calland could stay until replaced by Bush or retired
Remember kids, Porter, his #2, #3 , and the CIA IG himself volunteered to be polygraphed in the great leak purge that “outed” Mary McCarthy
I have received message that Raw Story issue is being worked on — nothing further to report at this time.
patrick @ 7:04 pm (#97) (part 2) – I just clicked on the http://www.rawstory link and up popped the front page. When I click on the link about Gannon I get a 404 page.
They’re in some sort of distress, but it looks like they’re working on it.
Re: Rawstory
I do not know what is up with the site, but if you type in rawprint.com (which is part of the link in the Gannon story which Rudy at # 109 alerted me to) instead of rawstory it seems to come up okay.
â€Book Deal for Ex-C.I.A. Officer
By MOTOKO RICH
Valerie Wilson, the former Central Intelligence Agency officer whose identity was publicly disclosed three years ago, has agreed to sell her memoir for a little more than $2.5 million, according to people involved in the bidding process for the book.
The book, whose working title is “Fair Game,” is scheduled to be published in the fall of 2007 by Crown Publishing, an imprint of Random House. Steve Ross, senior vice president and publisher of Crown, said the book would be Ms. Wilson’s “first airing of her actual role in the American intelligence community, as well as the prominence of her role in the lead-up to the war.”
Ms. Wilson, he added, “has been this mysterious woman at the very eye of a major storm, and the concentric circles keep widening.”…….
http://tinyurl.com/gxyg9
“Fair Game”?! Ha ha, that’s AWESOME! :)
Got to Raw Story easily.
Any lawyers lurking?
Under what circumstances would Walton know that the Rove matter will be cleared up soon?
Help!
Plea agreement? Sealed indictment?
It wouldn’t be normal, I would think, for a judge to know in advance about an indictment would it?
I haven’t said anything about the benefit my band played last weekend at the Fairfax VA american legion post for a fallen soldier. we’re all setting up and then I’m done setting up I and go up to the table where the folded flag and medals and photos and notebook of loving tributes are. This guy was Gordon F. Misner, by all accounts a beautiful young man and the best of our military. He had two young daughters. Roadside IED. A whole mess of bikers were there to honor him. He died at age 23.
He was from Colorado and they did his military funeral there. But it was marred by the Fred Phelps assholes, who picketed and disturbed it. They think the dead from Iraq are as bad as fags, since America accepts fags.
RIP Gordon.
“We’re Hearing… Resignation Of A Pentagon Under-Secretary Also Imminent…”
Huffpo no story attached
Damn, I have to go to sleep, zennursing starts early. I wonder if I can simultaneously make coffee, read comments, listen to my 100 voice mails (85 of which will not matter now, watch Pearl Jam again and do my stretches? Probably not. eeny, meeny, miney, mo at 5am makes me cranky.
Blessings for the weekend and pray for small patients, my back’s still on the Fitz.
Play nice.
patrick says: “Stephen- can you still hit http://www.rawstory.com?”
May 5th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Yes, I can.
If you’re getting a page from the site then their web server, whatever it is, is running.
Hurr…. of course… I don’t know what I was thinking….
I was assuming that was a failover page, but was wondering if perhaps they were getting hit with a DDoS attack or just being crushed under the rush to find out what is up with Goss. (A virtual DDoS… ;-) )
I don’t know why I assumed I would see a failover page if Apache had gone down. My poor brain…. It’s been a long week.
And yes, network and site administrators take a dim view of being scanned by someone they don’t know.
Bien sur, m’sieur. Of course, there are ways around that sort of thing…. ;-)
XXXXX:~XXXXX $nmap -sS -P0 -v-O-sV http://www.rawstory.com
Starting nmap 3.70 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-05-05 22:09 EDT
Initiating SYN Stealth Scan against s117057703.onlinehome.us (217.160.250.39) [1660 ports] at 22:10
Discovered open port 22/tcp on 217.160.250.39
Discovered open port 21/tcp on 217.160.250.39
Discovered open port 80/tcp on 217.160.250.39
Just did another host request, got the right IP address this time, but I still can’t see the site. Anyone else?
Blssings to Gordon and his family.
Thanks, Sharkbabe.
‘night
rwcole,
“Under what circumstances would Walton know that the Rove matter will be cleared up soon?”
Maybe he watches Olberman! LOL He can’t/doesn’t know anymore than we do IMO.
Coz- well according to Schuster, Walton told Libby’s attorney that Rove’s status will be cleared up soon.
So assuming he didn’t just make it up, how would he know?
Link to MSNBC page for transcripts of Hardball, Countdown, and more:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
Transcript for Olbermann’s Friday shows don’t go up until Mondays.
Hypatia (#78)
I saw the Olberman show and heard Shuster’s remark about Fitzgerald’s body language. I thought it a rather odd use of the expression since he was using it figuratively. I guess he was refering to legal/strategic maneuvers and not actual motions of the body.
Sorry to disappoint.
I have received message that Raw Story issue is being worked on — nothing further to report at this time.
Then I will stop sniffing around their tree to see who peed there.
BY THE WAY-
TRex is five minutes older than I am. But I’m the one who is kinda built like a lumberjack. I do a little farming, y’know. That shovel is a real character builder.
The book, whose working title is “Fair Game,†is scheduled to be published in the fall of 2007 by Crown Publishing, an imprint of Random House. Steve Ross, senior vice president and publisher of Crown, said the book would be Ms. Wilson’s “first airing of her actual role in the American intelligence community, as well as the prominence of her role in the lead-up to the war.â€
WOWIE ZOWIE! And what a leading statement “the PROMINENCE of her role in the lead-up to the war!”
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Book Deal for Ex-C.I.A. Officer
By MOTOKO RICH
Published: May 6, 2006
Valerie Wilson, the former Central Intelligence Agency officer whose identity was publicly disclosed three years ago, has agreed to sell her memoir for a little more than $2.5 million, according to people involved in the bidding process for the book.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05…..r=homepage
Coz- well according to Schuster, Walton told Libby’s attorney that Rove’s status will be cleared up soon.
So assuming he didn’t just make it up, how would he know?
Couldn’t Fitz have simply told him with regard to the evidence in question that it would be cleared up shortly?
patrick says:
May 5th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Have you flushed your DNS cache recently?
God bless you Jane! You are the antithesis of Byron York (see my Angrybear post for what I mean). FDL is the best PlameGate reporting in Blogland.
Re Goss:
Story up on WaPo for Saturday edition and doesn’t seem to be any bombshells in it. Byline is Dafna Linzer and Walter Pincus with Dana Priest and others credited. Just skimmed it but it talks about bad chemistry with CIA staff, Bush and Negro, etc. Towards the end briefly talks about Cunningham scandal but nothing new except says Foggo with resign next week.
Patrick, thanks for checking this out. I thought it was a totally non-standard error message. Very strange. I look forward to your sleuthing.
rwcole,
“Coz- well according to Schuster, Walton told Libby’s attorney that Rove’s status will be cleared up soon.”
For Rove to be indicted (or not), it would have to come from a grand jury. The judge can’t possibly know one way or another what that outcome would be, or even if Fitz tries it. Just sayin’. Different court. He’s not in the loop.
I’ve got about five witnesses…
About five? About five? What’s this “about” crap? I seem to recall that there’s a psychological principle about five being the maximum number of items in a set that humans can instantly count at a glance without ticking off the individual bits. I can see a lawyer saying “about a dozen” of something, but when it’s down in the range of five you don’t have to estimate. You know you’ve got five or three or four or however many it actually is. There’s no fudge factor involved. This “about” thing suggests he’s trying to inflate the number, or there are some that he knows are no good but he wants to count ‘em anyway, just for the impact.
hmm . . . here’s a thought — today’s Hail Mary was Scooter’s last gasp; he’s an attorney, and understands that this is a dead letter defense. It was worth a try, but now he is at the end of his rope. It’s down to face the music — or flip.
Meanwhile, Scooter’s importance (and value to Team Fitz) is about to shrink; next Wednesday, the GJ votes on a true bill for Karl Rove, and Fitz holds a presser on Thursday.
Does Scooter flip — or tough it out? I think he hangs in there, because he knows he is going down — one way or another.
CNN Breaking….
Hayden to replace Goss…
Wapo Goss story link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
For Rove to be indicted (or not), it would have to come from a grand jury. The judge can’t possibly know one way or another what that outcome would be, or even if Fitz tries it. Just sayin’. Different court. He’s not in the loop.
What if Fitz simply said to the judge, I’m putting the indictment before the grand jury (say next week) so the current situation with the evidence at hand will be resolved one way or another shortly.
Or, what if he said, I’ve already got an indictment which hasn’t been announced yet. :)
ck says:
May 5th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
Will Scooter and Karl flip on the same people?
The Next Head of the CIA?
EXCLUSIVE: Air Force General Michael Hayden is likely to be named Porter Goss’s successor. Then the partisan fireworks will really begin
By MIKE ALLEN AND TIMOTHY J. BURGER/WASHINGTON
President George W. Bush stunned Washington on Friday by accepting the resignation of CIA Director Porter J. Goss, and Republican sources told TIME that the White House plans to name his replacement on Monday: Air Force General Michael V. Hayden, who as Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence has been a visible and aggressive defender of the administration’s controversial eavesdropping program. His nomination is sure to reignite the battle over the program on Capitol Hill, where one House Democrat promises “a partisan food fight” during the confirmation process.
Though Hayden, who has a close rapport with Vice President Cheney, has not been formally offered the job, he is the leading candidate and the announcement is planned for Monday at the White House, the sources said. The President frequently extends a formal offer immediately before an announcement, to cut down on leaks and allow for last-minute developments.â€
White House officials had hoped to announce Goss’s departure and Hayden’s nomination at the same time but Goss, who resigned under pressure, balked at that kind of choreography. “He said, ‘If we’re going to do this, let’s go ahead and do it,” a senior administration official said.………….
http://tinyurl.com/m6omw
Stephen said Have you flushed your DNS cache recently?
Which gave me an idea-
I am currently connected from home on Bellsouth.net using dhcp to connect, and their DNS servers.
I was able to remotely log into my machine at work via ssh, and use lynx from the command line to get to http://www.rawstory.com just fine.
So I just pointed the DNS on my home machine to the same one that my work machine uses (one down the hall from my office), and bang, there’s Rawstory.com now.
Must have been some sort of problem with Bellsouth’s DNS servers.
My tinfoil hat was obscuring my vision for a minute there…
Hayden makes Goss sound like a piker.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..77,00.html
I still can’t get rawstory
Thanks jinny for the info on Valerie’s book deal. I can’t wait to read it. What a great and sad title. Will her manuscript make it past the company vetting?
Wapo story on Libby: http://www.nypost.com/business/63276.htm
rwcole at 123
Walton could have some idea if what was going on with Rove is fitz said in one of his ex parte sealed filings something like ” we have determined that it is necesssary to withold the document that Karl sent to “X” which proves “Y” until we hqve confirmed the substaqnce of the informaton in the document by doing “Q”. “
If doing “Q” is something thqt Walton could guestimate the timeframe of, he would have a sense of when this will happen.
ALso, if Ted Wells took the position that his client is sunk unless the judge allows some “leway” in the defense and Walton has just made it very cleqr thqt there is no justification for that leeway; then “Q” could be Scooter flipping on Rove.
It may very well be, and cooperqtion negotittions sometimes go this way where the two sides agree if I can get this particular piece of evidence in, I go to trial. If not, I flip.
So the REAL battleground becomes the discovery motions and the motions in limine (to limit what evidence can be presented at trial).
whoops! wrong link. Here it is: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..050501379.
Patrick: update on rawstory?
Aha! This is spreading faster than flu: Former Bush supporters criticizing him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ns_ap_poll
Bumpy week ahead, folks.
Wolfman read a statement from Wilson today. Wilson pointed out that it was Libby who’s under indictment for lying. It was great prose.
Zennurse..Runnin’ down the I-95 through the Carolinas at 85 m.p.h. with “Even Flow” on the dashboard.
WP – someone in the WH got to them and softened the story up. That piece looks hastily edited; the first page is pure WH spin and the money stuff is buried on page 2. (Maybe the WP made a deal w/ the WH to help D. Priest?)
Money stuff …
In Goss’s first days in office, his appointment of Michael Kostiw as executive director ended after it became public that Kostiw had been forced to leave the CIA under a cloud 20 years earlier. The subsequent search at the agency to find who leaked the information about Kostiw’s past led the top two officers in the agency’s clandestine service to resign in protest.
Kostiw’s replacement, Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, is the subject of a review by the CIA’s inspector general. The agency is examining whether Foggo arranged for any contracts to be granted to companies associated with Brent R. Wilkes, a contractor and longtime friend of Foggo’s who had connections to Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.).
Cunningham left Congress and was sentenced to more than eight years in prison for corruption. Foggo has said he has done nothing improper, and the agency has said the review is standard practice in such situations, not an indication of any wrongdoing. After Goss’s announcement yesterday, Foggo told colleagues that he will resign next week.”
all Sharons rock, that is all
Susans too!
Maybe Judge Walton meant soon in some kind of general way, like some time in our lifetimes.
I’d have put that in italics if I’d known how.
yeah, rawstory update?
couldn’t reach it from work a few hours ago, or from home now.
COULD THE “PORTER GOSS–QUITTING CUZ HE’S A LITTLE PROSTITUTY STORY” BE ANOTHER OUTBREAK OF FITZMAS?
Methinks so. Even if not, it’s still a good story.
“Never let the facts get in the way of a good story…”
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/AbramoffSexSpyRing.htm
Fitzgerald is reportedly convinced that the Bush administration wanted Valerie Plame-Wilson’s identity as a CIA official leaked because her intelligence team had identified Israeli Mossad operatives inside Iran who were to receive weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to be delivered through Turkey and planted in Iraq to further the president’s case for war, said the intelligence expert.
“The financing for these whorehouses is linked directly to AIPAC, Benjamin Netanyahu, Marc Rich and Jack Abramoff; and the money trail ties back to American International Group (AIG), Hank Greenberg and Doug Alexander—former British Minister of E-Commerce,†said Heneghan.
In an ominous prediction, Heneghan said, “It won’t be long before the un-compromised U.S. military may have to declare a State of Emergency and re-implementation of the Constitution under a special provision of the Naval Code, which would lead to the arrest and removal of the criminal government residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.â€
According to Heneghan, the Abramoff congressional sex ring is tied to the SunCruz Casino scandal, secret accounts at Riggs Bank and Crozier Bank, the 9-11 “hijacker†Venice, Florida flight schools, and former U.S. ambassador to Italy Mel Sembler and Doug Alexander—both of whom have been linked to the reported Florida 2000 election fraud—all of which is tied to a financial trail that connects narcotics trafficking to Al Qaeda and the congressional sex ring.
MSNBC host and former congressman Joe Scarborough, subject of a recent TomFlocco.com story, “is now cooperating with federal investigators in the Abramoff matter which has led the probe to the doorsteps of the AIPAC whorehouses now operating in Washington, DC,†said Heneghan.
Dr BB, it’s called chunking, and it’s 7 plus or minus 2. Heee.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4939
Did Plame out WH plans for finding WMD in Iraq?
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2005-11-19 21:21. Media
By Hornet, http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com
Did the White House plan to ‘find’ WMD in Iraq until Brewster-Jennings intercepted their shipment? Was that why Plame was in their crosshairs long before Wilson’s editorial?
Buried in a TPM Nov 18 blog about what the WH was really thinking when it invaded Iraq, Joshua Micah Marshall writes “This even leads to a sort of inverted conspiracy theorizing when people ask, ‘If he knew there was no WMD, why didn’t they at least try to plant some to avoid the catastrophic embarrassment which ensued after the war….The real answer, I think, is as banal as it is devastating: I don’t think they ever gave it much thought — not in the sense of trying to get to the heart of the matter.”
This WH may be diabolical, but it’s not stupid. Apparently, they gave it a lot of thought if the following is true. As Wayne Madsen reports (Nov 11):
“According to U.S. intelligence sources, the White House exposure of Valerie Plame and her Brewster Jennings & Associates was intended to retaliate against the CIA’s work in limiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. WMR has reported in the past on this aspect of the scandal. In addition to identifying the involvement of individuals in the White House who were close to key players in nuclear proliferation, the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division prevented the shipment of binary VX nerve gas from Turkey into Iraq in November 2002. The Brewster Jennings network in Turkey was able to intercept this shipment which was intended to be hidden in Iraq and later used as evidence that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction. U.S. intelligence sources revealed that this was a major reason the Bush White House targeted Plame and her network.”
No Raw Story update yet — I was promised email as soon as problem could be identified. Monitoring my email closely.
Hayden’s “to do” list….
1) Fire Foggo.
2) Fire the partisan REPUBLICAN “hacks” (former aids) that Goss brought with him to the CIA.
See, now this motive for outing Plame makes sense to me — out her to destroy her network, which was ready to expose the plot to plant WMDs in Iraq.
This other stuff — punish her for Wilson’s op ed — is just too chickenshit to be the reason.
At Huffington Post: “We’re Hearing… Resignation Of A Pentagon Under-Secretary Also Imminent”
Nothing else — just that statement. Interesting.
OT — Wes Clark is on HBO on Real Time with Bill Maher. Says Goss’ resignation has to be personal (and doesn’t blink when Maher says you mean the sex) and praises Ray McGovern. If you aren’t watching now, it reruns in three hours(or C&L or someone may post it.)
Tom- it appears to be some sort of DNS error, where some DNS servers are letting traffic through to Raw Story and some aren’t.
Oh, weird.
I just did another Host lookup and their IP address has changed:
pinto:~ patrick$ host http://www.rawstory.com
http://www.rawstory.com has address 82.165.176.124
I think that they had a server go down at their primary address (217.160.250.39), and traffic is now being routed to a co-location, which has the above IP address. Happens all the time.
Their primary web server may have been overwhelmed by Hookergate traffic, and crashed, and their secondary server- the fallback one, had an IP address that someone hasn’t replicated out to the rest of DNS servers of the world.
Once I changed my DNS server addresses on my local machine, I was able to get to the new IP just fine.
If you’re hearing Charlie Brown teacher noises as you read this, let me try to break it down to non-pocketprotector speech:
DNS servers are the White Pages of the internet. You know the name of the web address you want to reach, and the DNS server knows the unique identifying address that website has on the big network that is the Internet.
You tell your webbrowser to go to http://www.firedoglake.com. It doesn’t know what IP address that server has, so it goes to the DNS server and asks. Your ISP has a huge room somewhere full of computers that act as DNS servers (if it’s a large ISP). These servers then point your machine’s web browser to the right IP address.
Now, who prints the phone books? There is a central DNS server that is updated fairly constantly with the current IP addresses of every site on the internet. Your ISP’s DNS servers ask it to update their listings at some pre-determined interval. My home ISP is Bellsouth.net. The DNS server at my job is In Paul’s Office. Paul’s DNS server updates from the master list every few minutes. It can because it has VERY low traffic. There’s me and Paul, and Ben and David, and maybe three other people who use it at work. Bellsouth’s DNS servers don’t query as often. (This process, by the way, is called replication) Bellsouth’s servers only update from the master list every few hours, I would guess.
So, most websites have a secondary IP address that mirrors the first one. (or more- CNN.com has a whole SLEW of them.) If their primary IP crashes, which is what apparently happened to http://www.rawstory.com tonight, then all traffic is redirected to the secondary server. If for some reason the DNS server you are looking up all your numbers in does not know the secondary server’s address…. then you’re going to keep being sent back to the first one, which is where we were seeing the error message earlier. (and some of you still are.)
I changed my home machine’s DNS servers to Paul’s DNS machine, and I can suddenly see www. rawstory.com just fine. I would offer to give everyone here that IP address… but it would probably crash Paul’s machine if everyone went there at once, and I would have to do that to him.
Any Alpha Geeks are welcome to correct anything I explained improperly here. I understand this stuff JUST ENOUGH to get in trouble.
Uhhh, another Dana Priest story but in the LA LA Times not the WP. (Does Dana write for the TImes too?)
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
wow, you really are a geek. ok, how do I change my ip address?
I knew they’d select that tightass Hayden. What a perfect Bush asskisser. I hope he sticks to his guns and shows the country just how far to the right we’ve come. Could be good.
I’ll bet the HuffPo undersecretary of Defense resignation speculation involves somebody involved in the Cunningham/Wilkes/yada/yada firecracker. The contractor’s contractor.
Those 5 or so “witnesses are for the Wingnut Kangaroo Court. It was just to throw some meat to Hannity, they’re dyin’ out there.
I can get to RawStory OK. I’m using Cox’s DNS. If you want to try it, the IP’s are:
68.2.16.30 (primary)
68.6.16.30 (secondary)
From rwcole 175 on the last thread — Goss was born in Waterbury, CT — that explains everything.
Our Governor who spent a year in prison for taking payoffs and steering business is from there.
Former mayor in jail for having sex with a 12-year old girl
Judge from there was, today, found not qualified for the federal judgeship said governor appointed her to with Ws approval.
Waterbury is like finishing school for crooked pols and their crooked friends.
anon#172:
how weird — ricks is a wapo writer too.
choochmac #72: FWIW, Larry Johnson over at NO QUARTER is saying that Goss himself didn’t attend the parties only his top aide. He figures that Goss trying to explain himself out of the situation didn’t work with all of his other problems at the agency. Who knows…
Hmmm, keep in mind the context of those parties. The hooker aspect is titillating, but the parties were all about getting contractors and lobbyists together with congressman and staffers, and corrupting the procurement process to benefit those contractors at the expense of the interests of the country. Goss was in Congress in a position to take advantage of that, and Foggo was a procurement officer at the CIA until Goss promoted him to being his deputy.
I’m betting that even if they’re both telling the truth about not being involved with the hookers, they were still involved in the serious prostitution.
clbrune @ 8:07 pm (#163) – Rawstory appears to be functional at the moment, though some links still don’t work.
Kazuza baby!
Glad to see that BULLSHIT is finally gettings its due, and I am not a Universe screaming into, well, the vast void of my spacetime. Welcome to the world of criminal defense (the non TV/movie real world version).
I will also go on record that Scooter pleads out (whether to lesser charges I don’t know – but a Universe can hope). The only benefit he and/or Chimpco would get out of a trial is Wilson truth/Chimpco lies about the war spin related. A trial on Scooter’s perjury alone gives them very little (i.e. nothing) to spin/play with. So, once the Judge shoots down all their ludicrous, ridiculous motions, the show is over for them. Then it is just the Chimpmin lies played out in a trial dominating news coverage for weeks at a minimum. There is a long time til trial, and the Judge will “humor” them for a while cause they ain’t gonna stop w/the BULLSHIT. But the Judge will end it at some point. And that is when Scooter will plead.
That is my omniscience for today; tomorrow’s might be different.
they just want to drag this out for two years, to take attention away from other things, until it is time to pardon everybody.
wow, you really are a geek. ok, how do I change my ip address?
Windows or Mac?
for windows:
Go to Control Panel>Network Connections and select your local network.
Click Properties, then select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP).
Click Properties.
You will see a window with all your network information- this is the Internet Protocol window. Select “Use the following DNS server addresses” and enter the desired DNS server(s) in the space(s) provided.
Try using the comcast DNS addresses that Motherlowman provided:
68.2.16.30 (primary)
68.6.16.30 (secondary)
Save and exit and see if that doesn’t fix it.
One bit of interesting stuff today. The AP showed Bush’s JAR following every other trend line down. Fox came out with a 5 point bump, up to 38 %.
I was doing the windows stuff from memory-
I am a Mac user at home –
for mac, open your “System Preferences” and choose the Network button on the third line down. Double-click “Airport” or “Built-in Ethernet” depending on how you’re connecting to the internet.
Choose the TCP/IP tab on the next screen, and go down to the DNS box and enter the above comcast DNS server numbers on two different lines. Then hit “Apply Now” and go back to your web browser.
Hit refresh on your web browser while holding the shift key and that should flush your cache and get you to the page.
Let me know how that works IN THE NEW THREAD….
EPU’d AGAIN…
jinny #148) says: White House officials had hoped to announce Goss’s departure and Hayden’s nomination at the same time but Goss, who resigned under pressure, balked at that kind of choreography. “He said, ‘If we’re going to do this, let’s go ahead and do it,’’ a senior administration official said…I sure would like to see GannyGuck’s photo album. Goss is out, but Foggy Bottoms is still there? Will Hayden fire Foggo over the weekend, or will Foggo wake up on Sunday to find himself and all the limo drivers from Shirlington on a one-way flight to Tadjikistan?
I mean, seriously. Foggo is clearly guilty as hell and holding something over Porter’s head- why wasn’t Foggo also fired today?
Just come back and heard CNN report that Goss quit after 20 months on the job.
Sigh.
Why am I not surprised?
That “5 witnesses” ploy is a corker. Could there be any more persuasive evidence that Scooter has decided to bet the farm on receiving a pardon sometime between Nov. 2006 and Jan. 2007?
patrick -
Good directions. Guess you know not to bother with directions for Linux users. ;)
Margo @ #157
Thanks for the link – this is an excellent, uplifting article for us. Nice change!
Conservatives Drive Bush’s Approval Down
http://tinyurl.com/zj9o4
slander or liable
I’m going to call that one a freudian slip *g* but things said or tendered in a court proceeding or offered on the floor of COngress are pretty much exempt from the laws of defamation (libel and slander).
Any reporter worth their salt would play and replay Hayden being asked specifically about the warrant clause of the 4th and saying it doesn’t exist. And with that, explaining that if there is one part of the Constitution he knows – it’s the 4th. *sigh*
Actually, they would do a loop – tack on Rumsfled saying he neve said he knew where the WMDs were, or that the claim was bullet proof; add moe of Cheney on the tubes; Bush and Powell on the Bio-labs, Bush saying no one could have known about the levees, Condi saying no one could have known (unless they read Tom Clancy or briefings) that bin Laden would attack in the US, etc.
Mary – EXCELLENT! This would make a mesmerizing montage, oui.
Let me see. “About five witnesses.” Would that be four? Perhaps, three. Oh, I know. He must have meant two. But, if he meant two, why didn’t he say so? That must mean that he meant one, because that’s all that’s left. Unless he meant zero. Jesus, I need a drink.
Maybe he was talking about doing a reverse “I only had two beers, officer.”
Appears that Mr. Wells may not quite be ready for prime time. It must be embarassing to be exposed for babbling in a big case. I hope that he didn’t kick his dog when he got home.
Sibel Edwards might corroborate the Madsen story but she’s been gagged by the FBI so I wouldn’t get too far ahead on that story.
This is obviously crunch time for Team Bush.
‘ Seven days in May’
If more than 400 nukes go off then it’s global winter. You will need a nuclear sub to survive that one – if yr lucky. Rapture index moving?
My famous last word’s ‘ no god’s – no master’s’
Fucking cornholed rats.
Please, FDL, so not EVER say that you will be out of business! I appreciate your work as outstanding, and would go through withdrawal if you stopped. You work tirelessly, and I am addicted!!!