Comments on: Oh, Poor You http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:03:29 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: asiamaybe http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89871 asiamaybe Thu, 04 May 2006 22:50:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89871 <p>I love Digby’s comments. So tired of the imperial media living in their altered reality. They have been listening to themselves for so long that they are shocked SHOCKED SHOCKED when they hear the truth. And let’s face it, the left has been in a funk since the early 70’s. But the times have changed, and our “solutions” are needed to addressed these times. It’s hard for the rich and pampered to realised that paying 40$ for a fillup is hard. But the stock market is doing fine, what are people complaining about. It’s our job to wake everyone up. And, even though it is frustrating, we are doing a good job.</p> I love Digby’s comments. So tired of the imperial media living in their altered reality. They have been listening to themselves for so long that they are shocked SHOCKED SHOCKED when they hear the truth. And let’s face it, the left has been in a funk since the early 70’s. But the times have changed, and our “solutions” are needed to addressed these times. It’s hard for the rich and pampered to realised that paying 40$ for a fillup is hard. But the stock market is doing fine, what are people complaining about. It’s our job to wake everyone up. And, even though it is frustrating, we are doing a good job.

]]> By: Sofistic http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89755 Sofistic Thu, 04 May 2006 20:37:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89755 <p>Why is it that I always find something Jefferson said that is appropriate for today? Seems the blogosphere is the public assembly of our day, while the MSM is not really a public assembly.</p> <p>“Public assemblies, where every one is free to speak and to act, are the most powerful looseners of the bands of private friendship.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1784. ME 4:217, Papers 7:106</p> Why is it that I always find something Jefferson said that is appropriate for today? Seems the blogosphere is the public assembly of our day, while the MSM is not really a public assembly.

“Public assemblies, where every one is free to speak and to act, are the most powerful looseners of the bands of private friendship.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1784. ME 4:217, Papers 7:106

]]> By: mikezwolf http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89681 mikezwolf Thu, 04 May 2006 19:14:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89681 <p>farhender (#82)</p> <p>No, Thomas is not just a commenter. He is one of a small group of moderators you *run* Red State. For a comment from a regular poster, check out this reply to someone who obejcted to Thomas (in polite terms, before getting banned):</p> <p>My support of the death penalty, By: Tbone</p> <p>is based upon the concept that certain offenses against society are worthy of forfeiture of the offenders life. Unfortunately, that concept has become limited to the taking of anothers life. I, on the other hand, am quite comfortable of including acts that denigrate the society as a whole. Traitors easily are included in my parameters as are character assassins, abortion practioneers and their apologists, and those who would lie to gain power to corrupt. Consequently, be glad I’m not King or Thomas would have his wish substantially fulfilled.</p> <p>Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.</p> farhender (#82)

No, Thomas is not just a commenter. He is one of a small group of moderators you *run* Red State. For a comment from a regular poster, check out this reply to someone who obejcted to Thomas (in polite terms, before getting banned):

My support of the death penalty, By: Tbone

is based upon the concept that certain offenses against society are worthy of forfeiture of the offenders life. Unfortunately, that concept has become limited to the taking of anothers life. I, on the other hand, am quite comfortable of including acts that denigrate the society as a whole. Traitors easily are included in my parameters as are character assassins, abortion practioneers and their apologists, and those who would lie to gain power to corrupt. Consequently, be glad I’m not King or Thomas would have his wish substantially fulfilled.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89676 readerOfTeaLeaves Thu, 04 May 2006 19:04:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89676 <p>Couple thoughts - CKR @ 55, the MSM seem completely unfamiliar with a tiny litlte tome titled “The Cluetrain Manifesto”, which describes what a lot of us have been doing in work lives since the early 90s, and its implications for poltics (especially blogs). It definitely dovetails with CtG. </p> <p>Agree with Dale @ #56 about Rich and Krugman. Also am convinced that Krisoff is doing important work on envionmental issues, and also humanitatian issues. </p> <p>ck @ #57 - heartbreaking stories, which definiitely underscore the size, menace, and venality of The Beast. </p> <p>As for blogs, I’ve found Christy and Jane’s explanations of the DETAILS and RELATIONSHIPS among PlameGate players enlightening and engrossing. I feel as if I actually learn something when I come here — which is part of why I keep coming back. </p> <p>I have yet to see anyone on the fever-swamp, right-wing blogs really dig into a legal document, or an indictment, and EXPLAIN its significance: what do those terms mean? why are they important? It’s great to have a resource that helps me LEARN and that’s what attracts me to FDL, as well as to Kristoff’s articles. Okay, it’s not all high-minded. I LOVE the snark!!!</p> <p>However, explaining things with the level of detail and expertise offered here at FDL requires a lot of prior knowledge. Some reporters are lazy jerks. However, I think that too many of the reporters came out of “J-Schools”, they have VERY LITTLE expertise in any field, and so they are easily swayed by avaricious politicos like the Bushies.</p> <p>I once heard an excellent analysis of degraded news from a (retired) news guy. He’d worked for an NBC affiliate, and for an unusually long number of years - so he remembered all the dirt that the Mayor had done 6 years back, whereas his glib and perky competitors had no clue — so they just reported “… the Mayor says…” They may as well have been selling cars, for all the depth and background they brought to ‘reporting’ and yet they sure were cuter than the 60-ish, graying guy who actually know the local history and the players. For the old guy, his town was his COMMUNITY. For the perky twit, it was a MARKET.</p> <p>To buid on that point, journalsim degree has become a default major for twits. There’s no requirement that a journalism major be combined with anything challenging like biology, or chemistry… and we see some of the results. BTW: Kristoff was an Ag major, and also belonged to FAA (Future Farmers of America). Which means that he had to produce results, judge them, and search out best methods… hardly the types of activities that the Bu$hCo creeps were spending their teen years on. But Kristoff is an exception in news reporting — too many ‘reporters’ probably spent their teens on the cheerleading squads, or organizing the proms. And we see the results.</p> Couple thoughts – CKR @ 55, the MSM seem completely unfamiliar with a tiny litlte tome titled “The Cluetrain Manifesto”, which describes what a lot of us have been doing in work lives since the early 90s, and its implications for poltics (especially blogs). It definitely dovetails with CtG.

Agree with Dale @ #56 about Rich and Krugman. Also am convinced that Krisoff is doing important work on envionmental issues, and also humanitatian issues.

ck @ #57 – heartbreaking stories, which definiitely underscore the size, menace, and venality of The Beast.

As for blogs, I’ve found Christy and Jane’s explanations of the DETAILS and RELATIONSHIPS among PlameGate players enlightening and engrossing. I feel as if I actually learn something when I come here — which is part of why I keep coming back.

I have yet to see anyone on the fever-swamp, right-wing blogs really dig into a legal document, or an indictment, and EXPLAIN its significance: what do those terms mean? why are they important? It’s great to have a resource that helps me LEARN and that’s what attracts me to FDL, as well as to Kristoff’s articles. Okay, it’s not all high-minded. I LOVE the snark!!!

However, explaining things with the level of detail and expertise offered here at FDL requires a lot of prior knowledge. Some reporters are lazy jerks. However, I think that too many of the reporters came out of “J-Schools”, they have VERY LITTLE expertise in any field, and so they are easily swayed by avaricious politicos like the Bushies.

I once heard an excellent analysis of degraded news from a (retired) news guy. He’d worked for an NBC affiliate, and for an unusually long number of years – so he remembered all the dirt that the Mayor had done 6 years back, whereas his glib and perky competitors had no clue — so they just reported “… the Mayor says…” They may as well have been selling cars, for all the depth and background they brought to ‘reporting’ and yet they sure were cuter than the 60-ish, graying guy who actually know the local history and the players. For the old guy, his town was his COMMUNITY. For the perky twit, it was a MARKET.

To buid on that point, journalsim degree has become a default major for twits. There’s no requirement that a journalism major be combined with anything challenging like biology, or chemistry… and we see some of the results. BTW: Kristoff was an Ag major, and also belonged to FAA (Future Farmers of America). Which means that he had to produce results, judge them, and search out best methods… hardly the types of activities that the Bu$hCo creeps were spending their teen years on. But Kristoff is an exception in news reporting — too many ‘reporters’ probably spent their teens on the cheerleading squads, or organizing the proms. And we see the results.

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89624 Christy Hardin Smith Thu, 04 May 2006 18:07:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89624 <p>Wish I were kidding, deadlyshoe. SIGH He’ll have an hour-long show on Headline news, I’m told.</p> Wish I were kidding, deadlyshoe. SIGH He’ll have an hour-long show on Headline news, I’m told.

]]> By: TheDeadlyShoe http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89611 TheDeadlyShoe Thu, 04 May 2006 17:53:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89611 <p>They hired fucking Glenn Beck? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.</p> They hired fucking Glenn Beck? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

]]> By: zeppo http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89586 zeppo Thu, 04 May 2006 17:01:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89586 <p>I did find a local chapter of Drinking Liberally, that I am going to drop in on next Wed. Maybe that will cheer me up. During my regular job, I work in a branch of the Federal Government. No, don’t blame me for anything the Bushies are doing. We just do airplanes. But the 20% of us or so that are on the left side of the fence tend to keep our heads down. I can’t tell how many times I have had to bite my tongue when everhearing a conversation in the men’s room or in the hallway. Really depressing sometimes. That’s why I really like reading what is going on here. It helps me maintain some kind of contact with like thinkers. </p> <p>If Jane or Christie are reading this, thanks so much for the job you and other bloggers like you do. You folks are great.</p> I did find a local chapter of Drinking Liberally, that I am going to drop in on next Wed. Maybe that will cheer me up. During my regular job, I work in a branch of the Federal Government. No, don’t blame me for anything the Bushies are doing. We just do airplanes. But the 20% of us or so that are on the left side of the fence tend to keep our heads down. I can’t tell how many times I have had to bite my tongue when everhearing a conversation in the men’s room or in the hallway. Really depressing sometimes. That’s why I really like reading what is going on here. It helps me maintain some kind of contact with like thinkers.

If Jane or Christie are reading this, thanks so much for the job you and other bloggers like you do. You folks are great.

]]> By: fahrender http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89581 fahrender Thu, 04 May 2006 16:57:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89581 <p>PeteCO (#74):</p> <p>i went over to Red State and read the little idiot’s post. i think that this “guy” is a middle school student, possibly of college age. of course that doesn’t excuse the Red State monitors for letting this kind of malicious drivel out into the ether. he/she is probably part of the spawn of the brood responsible for jonah goldberg, part of the reagan era emptying out of mental institutions.</p> PeteCO (#74):

i went over to Red State and read the little idiot’s post. i think that this “guy” is a middle school student, possibly of college age. of course that doesn’t excuse the Red State monitors for letting this kind of malicious drivel out into the ether. he/she is probably part of the spawn of the brood responsible for jonah goldberg, part of the reagan era emptying out of mental institutions.

]]> By: cajun http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89579 cajun Thu, 04 May 2006 16:49:08 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89579 <p>What ouor pathetic media haven’t figured out yet is that there is no conservative movement in this country.<br /> Real conservatives are an endangered species. What we instead is an angry, Bush-lovin’ fascist cult that somehow managed to fool the media into calling it “conservative.”</p> What ouor pathetic media haven’t figured out yet is that there is no conservative movement in this country.
Real conservatives are an endangered species. What we instead is an angry, Bush-lovin’ fascist cult that somehow managed to fool the media into calling it “conservative.”

]]> By: Jon Husband http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89575 Jon Husband Thu, 04 May 2006 16:39:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/oh-poor-you/#comment-89575 <p><i>It’s time for the media establishment to suck it up, and stop blaming all of us when we call them on facts that they get wrong. Inaccuracy is not something to defend in a bunker.</i></p> <p>Not accurate .. it’s LONG PAST TIME !</p> It’s time for the media establishment to suck it up, and stop blaming all of us when we call them on facts that they get wrong. Inaccuracy is not something to defend in a bunker.

Not accurate .. it’s LONG PAST TIME !

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