Comments on: Bon Appetit, Joe http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:23:16 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Beware The Man » She’s Right Again http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-96546 Beware The Man » She’s Right Again Tue, 09 May 2006 23:29:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-96546 <p>[…] Here is another gem from Jane, who can write what I can only recognize.  […]</p> […] Here is another gem from Jane, who can write what I can only recognize.  […]

]]> By: Jeany http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-91326 Jeany Fri, 05 May 2006 21:21:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-91326 <p>Wake up, Joe, the torch has been passed to the blogosphere while you were admiring yourself in the mirror.</p> Wake up, Joe, the torch has been passed to the blogosphere while you were admiring yourself in the mirror.

]]> By: grokgov http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-91250 grokgov Fri, 05 May 2006 20:57:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-91250 <p>Excellent article.</p> Excellent article.

]]> By: Dianne http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90461 Dianne Fri, 05 May 2006 15:18:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90461 <p>One other thing about the blogs is the opportunity to exchange ideas not just with the bloggers but hundreds of people in the comment sections. Our community is so full of really smart people and we would never hear from them any other way. Plus, we all get to vent at will without writing to the editor. I’m hoping the government doesn’t succeed in destroying it. Way too much independent thinking out there for them - can’t have that.</p> One other thing about the blogs is the opportunity to exchange ideas not just with the bloggers but hundreds of people in the comment sections. Our community is so full of really smart people and we would never hear from them any other way. Plus, we all get to vent at will without writing to the editor. I’m hoping the government doesn’t succeed in destroying it. Way too much independent thinking out there for them – can’t have that.

]]> By: jecadebu http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90307 jecadebu Fri, 05 May 2006 08:12:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90307 <p>Richard Cohen’s pathetically bad piece in yesterday’s (?) WashPo — I am telling you that Colbert was not funny because I am an expert and you damn well better agree with me — is nothing more than the dying cry of the punditocracy pleading for their lost credibility.</p> Richard Cohen’s pathetically bad piece in yesterday’s (?) WashPo — I am telling you that Colbert was not funny because I am an expert and you damn well better agree with me — is nothing more than the dying cry of the punditocracy pleading for their lost credibility.

]]> By: calscientist http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90301 calscientist Fri, 05 May 2006 07:35:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90301 <p>It is interesting that the internet has proven to be such a “disruptive” technology vis a vis journalism and punditry. Men like Klein and women like say, Ann Coulter, got to their privileged positions before by traditional network of the old boy variety, more or less, rather than fully on merit. It is an obvious point to all the readers here that blogs have leveled the playing field and as you note, Jane, the corrective capacity is truly astonishing (much as wikipedia continues to amaze….). </p> <p>Studies of networks with hiearchical structures in the past showed that big changes arose when informal contacts were promulgated on low lying branches of those networks. Little happened from above. The internet and blogosphere of course hyperpromotes those informal connections. </p> <p>This will not be limited to journalists in the future, I am willing to predict. As a scientist, I can see the trendlines in the traditional sciences. The access to information and the filters being provided by computerized literature searches are allowing scientists to initiate broad interdisciplinary leaps and begin contributing relatively quickly in new fields. This will break down in what I think is a healthy way some somewhat unhealthy heierarchies in the research realm analogous to the journalism vs. blogosphere situation. </p> <p>It also means that eager younguns can start entering the scientific realm more quickly with less of the traditional training. I am willing to bet that the universities undergo massive changes in the coming years.</p> It is interesting that the internet has proven to be such a “disruptive” technology vis a vis journalism and punditry. Men like Klein and women like say, Ann Coulter, got to their privileged positions before by traditional network of the old boy variety, more or less, rather than fully on merit. It is an obvious point to all the readers here that blogs have leveled the playing field and as you note, Jane, the corrective capacity is truly astonishing (much as wikipedia continues to amaze….).

Studies of networks with hiearchical structures in the past showed that big changes arose when informal contacts were promulgated on low lying branches of those networks. Little happened from above. The internet and blogosphere of course hyperpromotes those informal connections.

This will not be limited to journalists in the future, I am willing to predict. As a scientist, I can see the trendlines in the traditional sciences. The access to information and the filters being provided by computerized literature searches are allowing scientists to initiate broad interdisciplinary leaps and begin contributing relatively quickly in new fields. This will break down in what I think is a healthy way some somewhat unhealthy heierarchies in the research realm analogous to the journalism vs. blogosphere situation.

It also means that eager younguns can start entering the scientific realm more quickly with less of the traditional training. I am willing to bet that the universities undergo massive changes in the coming years.

]]> By: cgeye http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90289 cgeye Fri, 05 May 2006 06:15:24 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90289 <p>No dissing Miss Roberti.</p> <p><i>Million Dollar Legs</i> is one of my favorite movies.</p> <p><i>“Not too clozz boyzz, youse catch on fi-yer.”</i></p> No dissing Miss Roberti.

Million Dollar Legs is one of my favorite movies.

“Not too clozz boyzz, youse catch on fi-yer.”

]]> By: professor rat http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90277 professor rat Fri, 05 May 2006 05:53:18 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90277 <p>It’s times like these when the elite feel the heat that they usually resort to full blown fascism. The mother of all battles now lies before us so do you want to come with me to Washington DC?<br /> Yes or no? It is a question of life or death<br /> for us all. We will either conquer or die,<br /> because defeat will be so terrible that we<br /> could not survive it. But we will conquer.<br /> I have faith in our victory.I only regret<br /> that today I speak to you in this netspace.<br /> Some day soon we will live in a free society.</p> It’s times like these when the elite feel the heat that they usually resort to full blown fascism. The mother of all battles now lies before us so do you want to come with me to Washington DC?
Yes or no? It is a question of life or death
for us all. We will either conquer or die,
because defeat will be so terrible that we
could not survive it. But we will conquer.
I have faith in our victory.I only regret
that today I speak to you in this netspace.
Some day soon we will live in a free society.

]]> By: kentuck http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90234 kentuck Fri, 05 May 2006 04:48:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90234 <p>Jane, you have opened up a can of worms. </p> <p>You say, “The blogosphere has shattered that comfy arrangement — permanently. All of a sudden, there’s no longer a system in place that allows columnists to grow lazy, sloppy, or biased without facing consequences. Suddenly it’s possible to pinpoint a commentator’s weak reasoning or inaccuracies and broadcast them far and wide. Suddenly underperforming columnists, and their editors, are no longer insulated from competition — from bloggers who, as hard as this may be for established commentators to accept, actually do work that’s as good or better than they do.”</p> <p>They are going the way of the silent movie stars and I think the next election will surprise all of them. They will huddle together in small secure settings and discuss how they missed it this time but they will get right the next time. What they may not understand is that this may be their “next time”…</p> Jane, you have opened up a can of worms.

You say, “The blogosphere has shattered that comfy arrangement — permanently. All of a sudden, there’s no longer a system in place that allows columnists to grow lazy, sloppy, or biased without facing consequences. Suddenly it’s possible to pinpoint a commentator’s weak reasoning or inaccuracies and broadcast them far and wide. Suddenly underperforming columnists, and their editors, are no longer insulated from competition — from bloggers who, as hard as this may be for established commentators to accept, actually do work that’s as good or better than they do.”

They are going the way of the silent movie stars and I think the next election will surprise all of them. They will huddle together in small secure settings and discuss how they missed it this time but they will get right the next time. What they may not understand is that this may be their “next time”…

]]> By: roberto http://firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90137 roberto Fri, 05 May 2006 03:16:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/04/bon-appetit-joe/#comment-90137 <p>The perches of the MSM columnist and pundits are precarious indeed. Their defensive attacks on bloggers, especially those of the liberal persuasion, is stark evidence. Witness Howard Kurtz’s comment that there is not much good writing out here in the blogoverse. With the Hamshers, the Digby’s, the Neiwerts and Wolcotts and so many others whose work could be cited as counter-evidence, it is obvious that Kurtz is either totally clueless or deep in denial. His is wishful thinking and whistling past the graveyard.</p> <p>The media establishment do not even realize that their lack of appreciation for Colbert’s brilliant comic satire is mainly due to the fact that his correspondent’s dinner routine pushed on that big stick they’ve got up their collective, elitist asses. A fact that is obvious to the rabble living outside the incestuous culture of the Washington press, i.e., the rest of us.</p> The perches of the MSM columnist and pundits are precarious indeed. Their defensive attacks on bloggers, especially those of the liberal persuasion, is stark evidence. Witness Howard Kurtz’s comment that there is not much good writing out here in the blogoverse. With the Hamshers, the Digby’s, the Neiwerts and Wolcotts and so many others whose work could be cited as counter-evidence, it is obvious that Kurtz is either totally clueless or deep in denial. His is wishful thinking and whistling past the graveyard.

The media establishment do not even realize that their lack of appreciation for Colbert’s brilliant comic satire is mainly due to the fact that his correspondent’s dinner routine pushed on that big stick they’ve got up their collective, elitist asses. A fact that is obvious to the rabble living outside the incestuous culture of the Washington press, i.e., the rest of us.

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