
The Libby filing wasn’t just about Judy Miller and the NYTimes, though. There are particularly meaty parts reserved for NBC News honchos Tim Russert and Andrea Mitchell and Time reporter Matt Cooper. Yes, my friends, in this banquet of media finger pointing and information gathering, La Judy is simply the appetizer.
In pp. 24-31, Team Libby lays out its arguments with regard to Andrea Mitchell’s conflicting public statements. Jane covered Mitchell’s credibility gap extremely well yesterday in her post, but I want to discuss a few points that Team Libby uses in its legal arguments here.
But first, a moment of snark. On p. 25, Team Libby starts their discussion with a pararaph regarding Andrea Mitchell’s journalistic reputation in the DC power circles:
…and at the time of the indictment was an active reporter on foreign policy and intelligence issues, including the administration’s decision to go to war in Iraq. She is known as an "access reporter" who has well-developed contacts in numerous government agencies, including the CIA and the Department of State.
Translation: She’s a "go to gal" that we’ve found useful on occasion for planting stories. (She’s not Steno Sue, but hey, who is? And what’s with the "at the time of the indictment she was an active reporter" bit — what is she now? Veddy interesting wording, although it may have more to do with the argument to the judge on the necessity of obtaining the information than anything else.)
The big kerfuffle surrounding Mitchell, though, is her series of comments made on CNBC and on Imus and elsewhere. They are poorly stated, and can be parsed six ways to Sunday, but I still think that Mitchell was puffing a bit instead of truly "in the know" as she clearly wanted to appear. But whatever in the hell she was trying to do, neither Mitchell nor NBC has sufficiently explained any of this — nor has Russert to my satisfaction — so I’m truly looking forward to an answer or two from that crew, and to the extent that Team Libby pulls some out, well that’s ultimately good for the rest of us who want this water to be a little less muddy.
One of the odder bits is on p. 26, where Team Libby attempts to cast doubt on Russert’s memory of the conversation with Scooter. Of course, that’s what they are going to have to do in order to defend Libby against that particular charge in the indictment — but, if the understanding of how this conversation came about is accurate, they may have a hard sell. I think Tim Russert might very well remember an irate Scooter Libby calling to rake him over the coals for Tweety actually doing his job. I mean, how often can that happen, honestly?
Were I Russert, I’d find that a memorable occasion. But maybe it’s just me.
We then get into a very convoluted tap dance wherein Team Libby tries to make it seem as though Russert and Mitchell are some sort of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers pair of journalism — working in synch on all things Plame, without presenting any evidence that this is so other than some hopeful speculation on Team Libby’s part. See, for example, on page 28:
The fact that Ms. Mitchell may have known about Ms. Wilson’s employment prior to the Novak column would be important to the defense. It makes it more likely that Ms. Mitchell shared this information with Mr. Russert — and that he in turn asked Mr. Libby if he knew it too. Indeed, Ms. Mitchell’s public statements reveal that she, Mr. Russert and other NBC employees were actively discussing Mr. Wilson and the circumstances surrounding his trip to Niger during the week that Mr. Russert and Mr. Libby spoke.
While all that is a rosy scenario for Scooter’s defense, there has to be some factual residue to back it up beyond the fact that Mitchell likes to make herself look "in the know," and at this point, I’d like to know a whole lot more about the facts surrounding all of this before I’m ready to chalk this up to anything beyond some Andrea Mitchell puffery.
I think that Team Libby makes some valid points on this aspect of the case, especially that Mitchell may have sent some documentary explanation to her superiors at NBC — either an e-mail or via letter — regarding her on-air statements and that, if Scooter intends to call her as a witness, he would like to see such documents. Whether the judge finds that this is material to Scooter’s defense preparation prior to trial, though, is a discretionary call on the judge’s part. Guess we’ll see on this, but it will certainly make for some interesting arguments at the motion hearing.
On p. 30, we move on to an argument that is mercifully short: we learn that Libby spoke with Mitchell during this time period and, apparently, did not mention Valerie Wilson to her, or anything relating to her at all. Team Libby claims that this is some sort of magic proof that undermines his involvement in an effort to discredit Wilson. Gee, because Scooter might have other reasons to talk with Mitchell — such as correcting a story to plant some Administration spin on Iraq, or because he might have felt that mentioning Valerie might be distasteful to Andrea’s delicate sensibilties or a bazillion other reasons. I mean, please, are they going to trot out the shoe shine guy and say that Scooter only talked buffing, and therefore he didn’t have any interest in shopping around the Wilson’s wife bit? (Okay, that’s a bit snarky, even for me, but one conversation does not a defense pattern make. It’s a pretty big stretch and smacks ever so slightly of pathetic maneuvering.)
They also reference the David Gregory/John Dickerson potential conversations with Ari Fleischer on the Africa trip and that NBC may have some documents pertaining to the hints to look into why Wilson went to Niger in the first place. (See p. 31.) Ari ought to be looking for a target on his back about now, along with Cathie Martin, if the whole of this filing is any indication, because Scooter may be playing pin the tail on the scapegoat.
But the big guns in this filing are aiming at Matt Cooper of Time Magazine (beginning on p. 31), which says to me a couple of things: that they fear Cooper is a likeable, credible kind of guy — the sort of person with whom the jury can identify and who could sink Scooter if they believe Cooper’s version of events (and I base this solely on Cooper’s interview persona and the personality that comes out of his writing style and my trial experience in front of multiple juries, watching how witnesses are perceived); and that Team Libby is willing to pull out all the stops to either intimidate Cooper or to find a chink in his nice guy armor.
All through the Cooper section of the filing, Viveca Novak’s name keeps popping up. That call to Luskin to give her legal pal a heads up will be a big complication for her, and it ought to be — interfering in a criminal investigation can get you charged with a crime.
On pp. 34-35, Team Libby tries to paint Cooper as having a pro-Wilson bias (rather than as a journalist who was trying to call the facts as they actually were, because clearly truth has no relevance, but I digress…).
In addition, these requests are likely to reach evidence establishing Mr. Cooper’s pro-Wilson bias when he talked with Mr. Libby, afterwards he drafted A War On Wilson?, and finally when he testified….Mr. Cooper, one e-mail suggests, viewed Mr. Libby’s alleged comments during their call as part of a personal attack on Mr. Wilson rather than as what his own notes reflect — a fact-based criticism of the merits of Mr. Wilson’s claims.
Well, except for the fact that Libby’s own fellow WH compadres thought that Scooter’s obsession with getting even with Wilson was way over the line, that whole "Matt Cooper hearts Joe Wilson" thing might be…erm..well, it’s just not all that plausible, is it? Remember this LA Times article:
The compendium used boldfaced type to call attention to certain comments by Wilson, such as one in the Daily Iowan, the University of Iowa student newspaper, in which Wilson was quoted as calling Cheney "a lying son of a bitch." It also highlighted Wilson’s answers to questions from television journalists about his work with Sen. John F. Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee.The intensity with which Libby reacted to Wilson had many senior White House staffers puzzled, and few agreed with his counterattack plan or its rationale, former aides said….
The documents and interviews portray Libby as highly attuned to detail. He dictated the format for internal memos, including that paragraphs be indented.
The documents and interviews show that, when it came to monitoring media coverage of Wilson and other issues affecting the vice president’s reputation, Libby was meticulous. Staffers were instructed to use Nexis and Google to watch even the most obscure publications.
Look, I’m sympathetic to the plight of those who are hip to attention to detail, but honestly, when your own fellow WHIG pals think you’ve gone overboard with the revenge mode, how far over the line are you? And could you honestly blame Matt Cooper for picking up on your "dislike of Joe Wilson, get even with him at all costs for making Dick Cheney look bad" vibe when you are running around with a Joe Wilson clippings notebook and a tabbed and color-coded staff compiled laundry list of everything he’s ever done to piss you off? I mean, honestly, jurors are a lot of things, but you can’t depend on every single one of them being a rube who will be willing to buy your Arizona ocean-front property at twice the market price. That’s a pretty enormous roll of the dice if that’s your bet.
And that is especially true if Patrick Fitzgerald has those notebooks to plunk down in front of the jury, for them to take back to the deliberation room and thumb through at their leisure, look at your every scribbled notation or highlighted passage or e-mail to subordinates about checking out the University of Iowa college newspaper for quotes from Wilson. It gets tougher and tougher to make an argument stick that Cooper was off base in thinking that maybe Scooter was a little peeved with Wilson, doesn’t it, in that context?
There are some references to members of the Time reporting staff contacting others — Fleischer, Joe Wilson himself, Rove, etc. — and trying to shift the blame onto what Cooper may have known. This is a typical tactic — point the finger at the witness rather than your own client, but ultimately what the jury (and the judge) will be considering is the indictment and the evidence presented at trial. And that indictment has Scooter Libby’s name on it, not Matt Cooper’s or anyone else in terms of who is charged therein. And Libby will have to be answerable for his own conduct — and the heaping amount of evidence that all adds up to the Federal grand jury signing off on the five-count felony indictment in the first place.
On pp. 37-45, there is an extensive argument regarding the claimed reporter’s privilege under the First Amendment, and why that ought not be recognized by the court. For my money, this is the strongest part of the entire brief — it is well argued, clear and concise, with only a few areas where any questions need be raised. And I think it is going to be a difficult argument to overcome for the reporters and news organizations asserting it.
All in all, a very interesting filing from Camp Scooter. We’ve known for quite a while that the media credibility issue was going to be a big defense area, and this maps out a bit more clearly where they are testing for weak spots (which is exactly what you would expect a competent defense counsel to do). But this all depends on Judge Walton and how narrowly he reads the question of materiality for Scooter’s particular indictment — and how generous he wants to be in advance of trial. And there are a lot of open questions in my mind as to how muchof all this information Libby will ultimately get out of these subpoenas — he’s likely to get some, but I’m not sure how much toward all of it he’ll be able to go. But all of this makes for a very interesting set of arguments come May 16th — and I, for one, am looking forward to it.
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Fitz!!! Thank you for your hard work, Master.
Smithz !!!
COLBERT!
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Damn you’re good Christy. Thank you!
I still say that you’ll make a heckofa federal judge when President Gore starts making appointments.
Christy YOU are the cat’s meow and words fail me to properly thank you for your time, effort, keen intellect and most of all your generosity of spirit!
How did we ever manage without you and Jane and everyone who makes the miraculous firedoglake possible.
None of it is plausible.
That it is all in a legal filing does not make it credible.
It is all grasping at straws.
I realize that defense attorneys have to do what they are hired to do, and that defendants are allowed to present almost any “reasonably plausible” defense. But that does not mean that any of the defense’s positions needs to be taken seriously, particularly in this case.
Pro-Wilson bias? Really. What they are presenting as their defense is in effect an even greater conspiracy than the actual one that took place: The media have conspired to bring down Scooter. Yeah, that’ll fly. I’m sure they planned it at their super secret tree house meetings speaking Pig Latin.
It is specious and spurious and….not really worth giving a lot of credence to.
He is going to be convicted. As will others.
haven’t seen “Me” in a long time. where’d he go?
RH – Thanks again for making these dense legal filings comprehensible — and enjoyable — for the non-legal scholars among us.
So, bottom line — do you think any of this is a big surprise for Fitz — or presents serious problems for his case?
Sidebar yr honor – I’m in receipt of information regarding the witness ( Hitchen’s) Information that indicates that he is a serial plagiarist, an incompetent journalist bordering on a criminally negligent or just plain criminal writer/agent.
There is evidence that he was not to first to expose the fraud ‘ Mother’ Teresa.
There is even stronger evidence that he ripped off two famous hard working real journalists in good standing with the book about the trial of Henry Kissinger.
As if that were not bad enough Hitchens has lied about being a ‘ recovering Marxist’. Since he uttered that lie, the filthy contemptable liar Hitchen’s has cobbled together a lengthy paen to the red butcher, Leon Trotsky.
By dint of this article Hitchens practised hate speech that would get him locked up for incitement to violence in many civilized countries and holocaust denial on a scale that would shame David Irving.
Christopher Hitchens is as much a Marxist/Leninist ( or Stalinist for Stalin offered nothing new to the Leninist system …except for ramping it up) red fascist as Michael Ledeen is a Mussolini style Blackshirt.
This pair are the last two pushing the lies about yellowcake. Both are ideologues whose ideologies are universally sin-binned and routinely disqualified from politics as murderous ideologies.
No civilized society should countenance this sort of fascist scum telling lies in order to promote political violence.
This is fascist hate speech coming from this pair of nationalistic socialist’s.
Damn Hitchens as a liar – he will never sue you but if he does he will lose I promise you.
Damn these liars for their lies. Creeps like this have lied and tens of thousands have died.
Damn you all to hell Christopher Hitchens – apologize for yr smear on Niger!
PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Sorry yr honor, I just thought you should know that background – back to the cross.
EPU’d:
Christy:
You are doing a great job as usual of keeping us informed and up to date. I have a question. Please excuse me if it is already addressed somewhere in today’s comments, I haven’t had time to read them all.
Question: Does the prosecuter have standing to challenge discovery requests by the defendant made to witnesses, and in their possession (as opposed to materials originating with witnesses that the prosecution already has custody of)? I assume Fitz is not going to make any arguments of, say, privacy or privilege or burdensomeness, on Judy’s behalf, but can he argue that production of more and more documents sought from witnesses in Libby’s fishing expedition becomes a burden to the prosecution, as it would need to review any documents so produced, and since they aren’t likely to be relevant anyway,it is a big waste of time? Is the fight over the current round of discovery going to be strictly between Judy Miller and other NYT staff and their attorneys, or will Fitzgerald also be involved in that fight?
“I mean, honestly, jurors are a lot of things, but you can’t depend on every single one of them being a rube who will be willing to buy your Arizona ocean-front property at twice the market price. That’s a pretty enormous roll of the dice if that’s your bet.”
Dont they have to find just one such rube to avoid a guilty verdict since a unanimous vote is required to reach a jury decision?
I assume they will roll the dice at every opporutunity to snare a rube, so long as it doesn’t hurt their chances significantly on better arguments.
I guess I am surprised that there arent hung juries more often, but isnt the defense strategy here likley to be throw everything they can at hopes of convining at least one juror of resonable doubt?
Doesnt this line of argument also play well for those in the base who essentially want to blame the MSM on just about everything? Part of the underlying theme is this is all part of the media driven attempt to undermine the Bush administration and that poor innocent Libby was caught in the crossfire by the vindictive MSM seeking to discredit the Bush administration at every turn.
Certainly its fantasy, but it plays well with part of the right wing base and might have at least some resonance with jurors.
A few questions (these may have been answered in today’s awesome trilogy, but I don’t see it):
1. Why is Libby no longer requesting the Washington Post material? I don’t get it.
2. Is the NY Times still paying for Judy Miller’s lawyer? Is she still represented by Bennett? When (or if) the reporters lose, does anyone expect them to go to jail rather than comply?
3. After May 16, can Libby’s lawyers still go after other writers/reporters? Is Nick Kristof included in their current subpeana? I’m confused as to why Libby’s lawyers aren’t pursuing Cliff May, who previously said Plame’s identity was well known.
4. Is there a way Judy Miller can turn on Scooter without admitting her own perjury for her previous statements under oath?
Christy, thank you — this time you showed dame judith as she is — that earlier chaucerian photo makes her look alluring: too, too much for a nerd like scooter to handle
EQUAL WASTE OF TIME…
Bought And Paid For…Clarice Feldman an attorney in Washington, DC, loves Kool-Aid and is a frequent contributor to the American Thinker.
Scooter Libby Meets the Press
“The case is full of holes.
This Star Chamber proceeding continues on without cessation despite the credibility problems of the reporters upon whom the prosecution rests. Libby’s latest pleading is based on the very small amount of documentation in his possession and the public record (which apparently the Prosecutor reads very selectively).
Anyone with good judgment and discretion would have told Fitzgerald long ago that reliance on such selective testimony and documentation by the media, whose credibility is so unworthy of his trust, was folly. The fundamental problem of the case is that Fitzgerald has no supervision to provide the necessary outside larger perspective.
Former Attorney General Ashcroft, who recused himself, and interim AG Comey, who turned this over to Fitzgerald without any supervision or control, have both been replaced. It’s past time for the Department of Justice to pay attention. After all, it was just last week that Judge Walton assured us that they were still in a position to exercise meaningful supervision and direction over this case when he denied Libby’s Motion to Dismiss.
The DoJ should take Judge Walton at his word and call in Patrick Fitzgerald to review his handling of this case, and exercise the supervisory responsibilities Judge Walton says are theirs.
Where are they as this travesty lumbers on?” [more] http://patrickjfitzgerald.blog…..d-for.html
Nickname Alert — Tweety is Chris Matthews’ nickname, given to him by the TV staff because canary yellow hair dye he uses.
Tim Russert is often called Pumpkinhead for, um . . . obvious reasons.
Redd (is Redd still OK?) – you and Jane should write the book on all this when the dust settles…quite a tome it would be.
La Judy as an appetizer?……
Conjures images of wilting leaves and rotten roots…..
Raw story links to this. I don’t know what to make of it. It’s pretty well sourced, and it paints another picture of what Judy was up to that, well I don’t know what to say.
judy miller, stephen hatfill and mobile weapons labs
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.c…..obile.html
I’m really curious as to what you all think about this.
ck 15
IIRC Liby was complaining to Punkin’head about Tweety
Boy oh boy, Washington DC is starting to look like the Donner Party.
Eat up folks.
-GSD
One other thing I don’t quite understand about Team Libby’s approach is why they aren’t pushing harder on the Washington Post. Libby claimed he told Kessler (and Kessler denied it). Woodward said he told Pincus (and Pincus denied it). Why aren’t they going after Woodward’s and Pincus’s phone logs and calendars for June and July 2003.
sans-culotte -
Didn’t the Libby’s famous aspen letter make reference to Judy’s work with biological weapons?
Maybe Libby was making a veiled threat of some kind, perhaps to expose something about Miller’s work in this area.
Biden making an impassioned speech about his amendment on the floor. Walking around, waving his arms, very hoarse and hollering.
So: Can we get rid of the whole “Matt Cooper is a white knight” silliness now?
Affability, humor, and a nice guy exterior is not eqivalent to acting in good faith, nor do they make Cooper a good actor in this whole affair.
He didn’t even really know when to cut his losses, doing so at the 11th hour, and then– only under threat.
He did recover and reorient — somewhat — in writing an article or two that directly called out / exposed the White House. But for whose benefit would such an article, performing such an about-face, be written?
In other words, recovering his credibility in the eyes of the shallow or gullible reader only requires an article or two — but not a genuine about-face in posture or in the way Cooper plays the game.
Cooper played the Rove-Miller game, and played it very well, and very hard. It takes more than a few articles, crumbs really, delivered after there’s really no risk at all, to repair Cooper’s reputation. It’s not substantive. It doesn’t show Cooper’s corrected his course.
Matthew Cooper was on the wrong side of several principles, minimum. Among them were the trust of his readers and his obligations before the law.
I’d had sympathy for him, and hoped he’d show the kind of courage that Americans like Sgt. York and Jimmy Stewart are known to exhibit(I kid you not). But along the way, piecing together the details, as anyone can, it became clear there’s little difference between Cooper and Judith Iscariot Miller. And I cheered, near Grand Jury testimony time, when I saw his face: Fitzgerald cleary had put the fear of God into him.
Since then, news accounts revealed that Cooper had received leaks, and knew who the leakers were: not only did he say nothing, but he also published articles that consciously made false statements about who the leakers were, and what he knew.
He misled the entire country, when we needed to know, in a time of crisis. He protected a lawless administration that needed, and needs, to be held accountable. He did it while my neighbors and yours are fighting and dying for a lie.
Matthew Cooper may have slightly adjusted his stance relative to the seat of power — or, rather, has consciously adopted that appearance.
But it takes much more than Cooper has shown to repair the damage, let along his reputation.
The odd notion that he’s switched sides has dangled from the flagpole and flopped in the breeze, but it will never take hold.
But then, it was ludicrous from the start.
Richard D. Felsing
OT but related to an earlier bird flu comment–so Cheney’s shooting a 78-year-old-man in the face was an attempt at pre-emption in the war on bird flu?
The enabling elements of the media in this drama are now advancing on their Scylla & Charybdis moment, IMO…Whether to shoulder the full blame (including that of the political actors involved) for incautiously passing on the administration’s casuiistries, thus further eroding their credibility with a contemptuous public… or risk losing their cosy sinecures in the interests of self-protection from imminent career extinction.
‘Quick! Cue the missing white girl with Bird Flu!’
I’m still chuckling over Karl’s Dukey business, myself.
‘Karl C. Rovote…Super genius.’
;>)
It must be an election year. The fear mongers are ramping up the rhetoric.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..ansit.html
Re: The Judy and Scooty Show:
“You went to jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover — Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work — and life.”
Come back to work and life…..sounds like a veiled threat to me. Maybe that is why she received the only fake anthrax letter.
-GSD
zennurse says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 11:53 am
Biden making an impassioned speech about his amendment on the floor. Walking around, waving his arms, very hoarse and hollering.
Hopefully he will collapse into the toothy pile of shit he is
Reddhead,
A veritable tour de force! Always learning from your postings.
Thank you for your superb analysis and writing.
Muzzy from last thread
I think you are thinking of amantidine and rimantidine. IIRC, it was the CDC that said they should not be used for avian flu prophylaxis. Tamiflu works by a different mechanism. It is a neuraminidase inhibitor. Neruaminidase (the N in H5N1) is an enzyme which clears cell surface proteins containing sialic acid residues. This allows the virus to exit the cell more easily. By inhibiting and/or slowing this, the viral burden is reduced and gives the host’s immune system more time to mount an effective response and clear the virus. As far as I know, it is still effective against all types of influenza A.
Zennnurse,
Is the Biden amendment about the continuation of federal funding into research for hair transplants?
-GSD
Sorry zennurse….no offense meant…Biden makes my head explode
GSD – “come back to work and life”
Exactly. Life. Not “freedom” not “your friends and family”.
Here is the implicit sentence that follows:
“Life, as in the opposite of death. Which is what may happen if you don’t follow my coached testimony set forth above.”
Hair transplants or tooth whitening…
heh
And notice how he set ‘life’ apart from the sentence with a hyphen. I think he wanted it noticed.
xyz, 22
Yeah, that last paragraph was definitely weird for all sorts of reasons…
You went into jail in the summer. It is fall now. You will have stories to cover – Iraqi elections and suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program. Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them. Come back to work – and life. Until then, you will remain in my thoughts and prayers.
My answers to Jim E’s questions:
1. Why is Libby no longer requesting the Washington Post material? I don’t get it.
The judge already ruled that they can’t get anymore from the WaPo. This was part of the “Who’s Woodward’s source?” round of debate.
2. Is the NY Times still paying for Judy Miller’s lawyer? Is she still represented by Bennett? When (or if) the reporters lose, does anyone expect them to go to jail rather than comply?
Don’t know, don’t know, and it remains to be seen. Presumably, neither Miller or Cooper will cover for Libby, since they’ve already talked about him. But the defense is clearly trying to get access to more than this. I think it may be a ploy to force some reporters to either go to jail or burn a source.
3. After May 16, can Libby’s lawyers still go after other writers/reporters? Is Nick Kristof included in their current subpeana? I’m confused as to why Libby’s lawyers aren’t pursuing Cliff May, who previously said Plame’s identity was well known.
Probably, I don’t think so, and I don’t know.
4. Is there a way Judy Miller can turn on Scooter without admitting her own perjury for her previous statements under oath?
Yes. She can pick up the phone, call Fitz, and say that she may have “remembered” something but would like immunity from any charges that she lied in her first two GJ appearances. In fact, I’m guessing she cut just such a deal (under threat of prosecution) between her first and second GJ appearances.
Joe Biden would melt it you were to dump a bottle of stool softener on his head.
He is the epitome of the DC insider. He just exudes it. He makes Trent Lott look sincere.
-GSD
wondering # 25
That was me. It was a case of imperfect execution or mistaken identity, shooting one old bird instead of another. But yes, avian terrorism is on the rise. You can see it in their beady little eyes. They hate us for our freedom. Dropping bird doo on us is no longer enough. They are going for WMD (Weelly Mean Doo) aka the bird flu.
“Iraqi elections and suicide bombers”
I know I am getting pretty creative here, but is Scooter hinting that if Miller ‘elects’ to testify truthfully, it is tantamount to ’suicide’?
Probably not, but the references to “life” and “suicide” together in the same paragraph are noteworthy.
38 GSD says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Joe Biden would melt it you were to dump a bottle of stool softener on his head.
LOL…What an image
GSD
Well he really doesn’t need a stool softener if he is still exuding it, now does he? But I take your point.
Reporters are people too, even if they don’t seem like it lately. How smart is it for Libby to basically call them incompetents and liars in court filings? I’m just wondering how Russert and Mitchell feel about that the next time they have to cover anything relating to the Bush government. Look what happened to Lou Dobbs when he felt scorned—his show took a decidedly combative turn.
How I’d like to see Mitchell spinning her NBC reports against the Bush government, or Russert playing gotcha with GOP guests for a change. Let’s hope Libby’s defense keeps kicking at this hornet nest.
Question for the lawyers: I know that Fitz has to turn over all relevant material to the defense. Does the defense also have an obligation to turn over material it subpoenas to the prosecution?
The US was against negotiating with terrorists before we were against it.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/d…..age=200653story_3-5-2006_pg4_1
I wonder if they served to and scones?
-GSD
Hugh–thanks so much. On such a joyless day, you made me laugh (out loud–as they say in the trade)…
look up “smarm” in wikipedia and it shows a picture of Biden (D-MBNA)…or at least, it should.
Hugh,
With apologies to Punaise.
I said “exude” not “extrude”.
Larry the leftovers would look like a box white Chicklets dumped on a pile laundry lint.
-GSD
a lawyer and a bureaucrat should be able to write brief, pithy and clear memos. Libby penned two very oddly-worded pseudo-poetic entreaties : one to Judy and the 2nd to Scotty asking for public absolution to the W.H. Press.
This can’t be his usual writing style – could it? Why the flights of poesy?
Am in total agreement with comments above re Biden…have felt the same about him for years…hence, you understand my speechlessness when I see him touted as an 2008 candidate!!! Who on earth, besides Tweety and Russert and a few such, really think he has any shot at all?
GSD…
I can just see it now…Biden melting into the pile of steaming s%%t he is….
nothing left but implanted follicles and… of course that humongous set of glistening chompers….still clackin away of course
*ilson–have you read Libby’s novel? was that as purple and overwrought?
No offense taken, he’s generally a bloviating bonehead, I just thought it was surprising to hear anyone talking about Iraq. He did a little history on the various groups, and is now talking about the various parts of his plan. I’m only half listening, but he’s hitting some good points, the need for promoting women’s rights, a regional conference with all the neighbors, continued humanitarian aid. I have not heard much else.
GSD- the report is from 6 months ago, nice of them to let us know now, but did you read the comments? “I saw a man in a turban….”. Do people google this stuff every morning to ratchet themselves up? I’m pretty sure they do.
Rayne- from last thread, thanks for the suggestion about kim and sue, I will just do that. I expect that you’re right, I’m such a pollyanna.
Thanks agains for your clear, concise, and prompt commentaries, which have helped make it clear all along that this leak case is far more important than conventional wisdom would have it.
A small lacuna: the blockquote from p. 28 of the filing should say Ms. Wilson:
*ilson,
He did fancy himself an author. Not that Yogi banging one of the Olsen twins is my idea of literary talent.
Then again, Phil Gramm bankrolled a “Russ Meyers” style titty movie and that made him think he could run for president.
-GSD
GSD – we can always count on your for some zesty verbal imagery!
Don’t you just love how the last thing you wrote in the edit box is positioned immediately above the “Submit Comment” button?
That’s, Thanks again, not agains.
E.P.U. (#7)
meet you at the treehouse tonight. maybe we can spot a few leaks by moonlight……….
I saw a man in a turban..then again he could have been recovering from a headwound…but you can never be too careful these days.
-GSD
Zesty is my middle name.
-GSD
Christy, thank you so much for crunching through this and writing in such plain, but highly entertaining, language that makes sense of all the machinations of Team Libby.
FDL is my first stop of the day – I’ll be going through withdrawal during my 10 day trip to Moab UT.
I was impressed with the time stamp on your first posting – 5:45am!
ReddHedd:
A great post once again. A minor issue (or correction).
You stated that Libby sent “e-mail to subordinates about checking out the Iowa State University college newspaper for quotes from Wilson.”
However, it was NOT Iowa State University (in Ames), but rather the University of Iowa (in Iowa City). (One of my degrees is from the University of Iowa, so I guess I’m anal about these things!)
*ilson- don’t forget that Libby wrote the Great American Novel, with children and bears and sticks, oh my.
Biden’s done, fun’s over. They are going through amendments one by one, now the McCain Amendment. Which one? out of the many, I have no idea.
zennurse,
Is this the 3 regions weak central government plan? It won’t work for lots of reasons but also because it violates what I call the reasonability fallacy. If Iraqi leaders were reasonable to accept such a solution, they would have been reasonable enough to avoid the situation that gives rise to this kind of solution in the first place.
PelMel says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pm
The clock for the time stamps is on Pacific Daylight Time. The state Christy is in is on Eastern Daylight Time.
PelMel- I think the blog is on PST, and Christy is in EST. I always get lost here at night and end up staying up too late because I think it’s 3 hours earlier than it is.
Off Topic:
Absolute must-read at juancole.com. Second entry on Hitchens and Saying No to war with Iran. Turns out that the big talking points against the Iranian president are fundamentally flawed translations. I guess we are all familiar with the Big Lie technique, but still, this really gets ridiculous. Many of you all know all this stuff already, but for those who are up to their necks in ScooterJudyness, it is good to get out and worry a little about stopping the next war.
Cole calls on University students to protest against war with Iran now. I don’t know if that will go anywhere, since I think that the administration will ramp down the Iran issue to a low simmer over the summer, then crank it back up again to a full boil in the September/October time frame for the mid-terms. I could be wrong, so please keep your eyes open.
peace,
jim
Hi, Hugh,
Yep. He spent about 30 minutes making a speech that Martinez, for one, said he was enjoying. I haven’t read it or an evaluation of it, but it sounds like another plan to run things, even though he was all over the fact that it was not a plan to divide Iraq, but to give them “breathing room”.
A little late for Kumbaya, imho.
Nice Try, Joe.
so now it’s “GZD”?
Couple thoughts on the Team Libby filing (and apologies if they seem choppy – I should be working!):
The argument made on p. 18 seems to be that the NYT docs having no info on Plame’s employment = administration officials not caring about her employment = so Libby couldn’t have cared about where she worked. False syllogism if ever there was one.
The Ari Fleisher argument on p. 19: while it is possible that Ari knew about Plame prior to when Libby was alleged to have said something to him doesn’t render an illegal disclosure legal (two wrongs still do not make a right). It could mean Ari is also guilty of illegal disclosure, but that doesn’t mean Libby isn’t.
Team Libby seems to argue – repeatedly – that the allegation that there was all this talking going on could not possibly be accurate because it isn’t reflected in the notes made by reporters. It could also mean that as hard as Libby was trying to make Plame part of the discussion, no one was biting (until Novak came along, and I would be ever so interested to know the backstory on that one). It’s a variation of the “they didn’t care, so Libby could not have cared†argument.
Whoever was the vector for the information about Plame – and by all accounts it was probably the VP – there is just no logical reason why people who did know the genesis of the trip, and knew Plame’s position, would continue to dangle the question of who put Joe Wilson’s name into the hat if their objections to what Wilson reported could be honestly and factually disputed. The only reason to continue to do it was because they believed it could be used to downplay, if not discredit, whatever Wilson ultimately reported, and it was all the ammunition they had.
I went over and read Juan Cole’s post and many of the comments. It is particularly galling that Hitchens is calling him out on his translation skills, saying he can’t speak Persian, much less English. there is an excellent point made about the difficulty of translating the sticking phrase about Israel, that I have read elsewhere, that it is more of a reference to a piece of literature which Khomeni referenced, IIRC. But the translation was surely done by some Rethug wardog, hence the military slant. No poetry allowed.
Legal Wranglings (see, eye, eh)
Regal Langleys (CIA)
Biden is talking shit. Iraq is splintering apart into various autonomous regions – each with their own kinky twists on a theocratic/feudal style top down heads roll government wherein women are chattel. Outside of glassing it (which is what the neocons would really like to do), there is no way to keep it together. Biden MBNA should stick to his strengths, like finding better ways for creditors to screw borrowers.
Oh…..eastern time, well then.
Thanks for the correction – for some reason I thought Redd was in Oregon – is that Jane?
My bad!
ABC NEWS The Note (May 3): “The grand jury investigating the CIA leak may meet this morning at the federal courthouse in Washington, DC.”
Can anyone confirm?
OT: I check in with the Operation Iraqi Freedom website from time to time to read all the good news coming from Iraq. One of today’s top stories: rivers of raw sewage and Iraqi children throwing rocks at US troops.
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/feature/May/060503a.htm
If Fitzgerald has Libby’s notebooks on Wilson all prettyfied with color coded tabs, Libby is truly dumber than a box of rocks. Every damn page probably is the equivalent of a confession to the crime. Fitz probably will introduce them early and let them sit on a table within the jury’s view, somewhere near the clerk so that she can reach them quickly and hand them to witness after witness who will be asked to identify them, explain what they contain, and perhaps share a jolly little preview of what is contained therein; say, for example, a handwritten notation in the margin next to Wilson’s picture. . .
Although the laws of physics assure us that the notebooks cannot grow in size, or weight as they lie there all alone on the table in full view of everyone during the trial, they will grow mighty and strong in every juror’s mind. After Libby is convicted and sentenced to experience some rude unpleasantness for an extended period of time, he will thereafter and forever be known as “that stupid dude who didn’t get rid of his fricking notebooks.”
JeannieZ, thank you for that link, I had no idea such a thing existed. I have bookmarked for future reference. Very interesting stuff.
PelMel says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Yes, Jane is in Oregon.
XYZ,
The aspen letter was clearly a death threat if she did not return to the fold and fall into line. It makes no sense otherwise. The reference to “biological threats” in need of her coverage was particularly noteworthy-perhaps an upcoming “project” was (is) in the works?
Chris: I heard a radio interview yesterday afternoon with Jason Leopold where he sounded extremely confident that the GJ was going to meet today at 9:30 EST; that there would be a press conference announcement on Thursday and that Fitz would announce false statements and perjury indictments against Rove on Friday. So far the only evidence I’ve seen in support of this prognostication is that lonely little sentence you’ve quoted from The Note.
p.s. When The Note starts to include advice for aspiring access journalists as to how best to spin this in Karl’s favor, then we can start to get excited.
Andrea Mitchell must have had a lot of “access” because of her highly-place husband, and it will be difficult for her to testify about what she knew and how she came by the knowledge without compromising a lot of “off the record” kind of conversations she might have overhead or been a part of. That could take the discussion to the “TOP.”
How far we have come from the early response of being “shocked” that Fitzgerald would try to call Miller to testify, a clear assault on the 1st amendment [to some of the “rubes” who didn’t know her journalistic (sic) history.] I worried, at the time, before it became clearer what her role really was, that this whole episode with Libby, et al, might prove to further discredit the Traditional Media in the opinion of the public, a respect for which is so necessary to the functioning of government. But, The TM have been discredited as it turns out, not only by Miller and her “fellow travelers” (I know, it’s an anachronistic use of the term, but it seems so apropos in light of the conspiracy thing) but by the entire process of gathering “news.” Our democracy suffers from a lack of confidence in what we read and hear. It is in this kind of confidence vacuum that despotism really flourishes.
I don’t understand why Libby thinks the story about “everyone” knowing Plame’s CIA status helps his case. If her very existence and/or employment status was no big deal, why did he have to lie about it? All the stuff all those reporters knew, and when they knew it, and who they heard it from, seems unrelated to perjury.
OT – Justin Rood at TPM Muckraker has a fun little post about his trip to Shirlington Limousine:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000535.php
OT – Moussaoui verdict to be announced at 4:30 EDT
Mason, you and Christy have raised the point about the obsessive books, and now I’m a little obsessed. Do we know whether Fitz has them? He must, right, from the WH subpoenas? Since they were described in the press, Libby had no hope of hiding them.
and puppethead at 43- Libby essentially accused all the reporters of having memory loss, kind of a pre-dementia. It wouldn’t be so funny, except 1) that’s his defense and 2) the reporter’s whole job is to remember facts and details.
Pathetic
Margaret: just a passing off-the-wall tinfoil thought: what if the timing of Greenspan’s retirement was related to wanton wagging of his lovely wife’s tongue?
Hugh (39):
Time for a re-release of the Hitchcock film (not the Director’s Cut the Cheney Cut maybe)……..
OT:
“All the warmongers in Washington, including Hitchens, if he falls into that camp, should get this through their heads. Americans are not fighting any more wars in the Middle East against toothless third rate powers. So sit down and shut up.”
Juan Cole takes right-wing hack job Chrostopher Hitchens to the proverbial woodshed:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..chens.html
All I can say is bravo, Professor Cole, BRA-VO!
“Iraqi children throwing rocks at US troops”…
Hmmm, let’s see now, the US is to Iraqis what Israel is to the Palestinians.
Who’s big idea was that?
Ahhh that’s it, these Iraqi kids must be the future “suicide bombers” Scooter mentioned to Judy… Thanks Scoots!
GW Clusterfuck released his plan for bird flu today.
Here’s the plan:
Whoever gets sick stays home.
Whoever is on Clusterfuck’s list gets Rummy’s tamaflu shit.
Whoever dies gets buried.
That’s the plan- heckofajob Clusterfuck!
And don’t you love the part about people staying 3 feet away from each other? They were chuckling at that on the BBC last night.
Oh yeah- Clusterfuck is sending money to the states so that they can write their own bird flu plans- or they can just xerox his and save the money. It’s up to them.
Clusterfuck spent many sleepless nights with a box of crayons coming up with his bird flu plan. He even drew some birds on it.
GSD (#38):
We already got Jomentum. So now we got Jomucil, or would Jometa be better?
Actually, sometimes I kinda like Biden. Serial bloviator that he is, he ain’t all bad……
GW Clusterfuck repeated his decision that the national anthem should be sung in english. He explained all the times he sang it in spanish on the campaign trail by saying- “Of course that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be sung in Mexican too”!
I don’t mind Biden either- but he obviously annoys the hell out of a lot of people.
If Clusterfuck is a ten in hatefulness- Biden can’t be higher than a two.
ilson46201(#50)
have you looked at his “novel”? equally as turgid…..
Page 563 of Clusterfuck’s bird flu plan says that people who die should not be photographed out of regard for those who are about to die.
obsessed #89
greenie retired when ho did because he knew our economy was headed downhill
So the Grand Jury met today- maybe- and talked about Rover- maybe. Wonder if they are gettin itchy trigger fingers. Hope so!
Grand Jury shoots Rove in the face!
Damn, mc (91), that post from Cole is absolutely stunning.
Redd (I’m still going to call you that), your work on this is most impressive. Will be digesting all this for a while.
Senator questions bypassing of laws
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | May 3, 2006
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, accusing the White House of a ”very blatant encroachment” on congressional authority, said yesterday he will hold an oversight hearing into President Bush’s assertion that he has the power to bypass more than 750 laws enacted over the past five years.
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Sign up for: Globe Headlines e-mail | Breaking News Alerts ”There is some need for some oversight by Congress to assert its authority here,” Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said in an interview. ”What’s the point of having a statute if . . . the president can cherry-pick what he likes and what he doesn’t like?”
Specter said he plans to hold the hearing in June. He said he intends to call administration officials to explain and defend the president’s claims of authority, as well to invite constitutional scholars to testify on whether Bush has overstepped the boundaries of his power.
The senator emphasized that his goal is ”to bring some light on the subject.” Legal scholars say that, when confronted by a president encroaching on their power, Congress’s options are limited. Lawmakers can call for hearings or cut the funds of a targeted program to apply political pressure, or take the more politically charged steps of censure or impeachment.
Specter’s announcement followed a report in the Sunday Globe that Bush has quietly asserted the authority to ignore provisions in 750 bills he has signed — about 1 in 10.
So Specter is goin ta “shed some light” on Clusterfuck—and THEN what? Clusterfuck’ll tell him ta go fuck himself..
Listen up Arlen…unless you threaten to impeach the fucker- you might as well just go home and stroke off.
GSD (#56)
With abramov’s producing skills he and scooterbutt ought to be able to come up with a corker, something about elephants, a bevy of Japanese adolescents of indeterminate sex and an extra large box of shake ‘n bake, maybe……
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I think that we can all agree that the most reasonable way to deal with bird flu is to nuke them. You can’t trust them and if you yell at them they just fly away.
I will be disappointed if Rove doesn’t get indicted for obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements.
I’m also expecting more than one person to fall at the same time as Rove. Are there any attorneys reading FDL that think my hope is a realistic possibility?
It really creeps me out how much Cooper & Miller look alike. Seriously — put a wig on Cooper and 100 lbs on Miller and they’d be twins.
GSD –
Along comes Senator Gramm
With a nifty investment plan
He says, “Hey, I know
We’ll start making porno,
I’ll go over the script in the can.”
Ah, the good old days. While I’m at it:
A senator from the Northwest
Chased women and girls ’round his desk
Until the inquiry
Got a look at his diary
That white-out can sure make a mess.
GW Clusterfuck seen workin out- laughin his ass off at ol Arlen holding another “investigation”.
Clusterfuck is more afraid of barney the dog than he is of gooper investigations– where the goopers all get together and ask questions like
“Do you think- if it wouldn’t be too much trouble- that you might actually FOLLOW some the laws we pass- I mean if it isn’t too much trouble or anything”.
Hi rwcole,
I (others) contend (previous thread) that Arlen is just role playing for the repugs. His statements/hearings are big show.
Besides, he doesn’t need to go home to satisfy himself, he does it right there in the Senate chamber.
I’m not one to read long posts (short attention span and all), but this was a fascinating study of the Libby filing. Thanks for all that heavy lifting.
Arlen says “I’m really serious this time about the hearings- I may even ask some questions this time”.
Clusterfuck replies “I fart in your general direction”.
Christy, thank you for the detailed explanations/analysis. And, thank you for the excellent snark! As an old married guy, God, do I pity your husband! Poor bastard doesn’t have a chance.
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“Which comes closer to your view? It is only appropriate for people to sing the U.S. national anthem in English. OR, If people want to, it is appropriate for them to sing the U.S. national anthem in Spanish.” Options rotated
.
English Only Spanish, Too Unsure
% % %
4/28-30/06 69 29 3
Gallup– So do people agree with GW Clusterfuck or not?
Specter climbing up an asshole with a flashlight ta “shed some light” on the thing.
RIP, Earl Woods (Tiger’s dad)
punaise says:
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:32 pm
I saw that on MSNBC’s Web site.
life in prison for Moussaoui…
npr reporting that moussauie is getting life, not the death penalty.
OT –
Wow, I just saw that my comment at 56 on the previous thread elicited some strong responses and even a “screw you!” I want to say that I appreciate both the efforts and comments of Rayne and Redshift. Sorry for denigrating the canvassing efforts.
I know the legwork reflected in the 50-state canvass is essential work. I did my share of such in the 2004 election on behalf of Kerry, despite his deep flaws. I will probably get more involved in such mainstream efforts for 2006 as well.
But I believe progress, and indeed survival, requires the efforts of both “good” and “bad” progressive cops. If Howard Dean has spoken out forcefully on the insanity of attacking Iran, I missed it. Reid has criticized the Iran bluster based on the impracticality of an attack but not its core senselessness (much less illegality and immorality). We can’t afford to wait for a 2006 victory before stopping this latest spate of warmongering, most especially because mainstream Democrats fear that if they oppose it with a clear voice they’ll lose. That’s the same mentality that led Kerry to claim, during his campaign, that he would have voted for the Iraq war resolution even knowing that it was based on lies. We see where that got him…and us.
So good on you for your works, and again, sorry for belittling them. But I’m going to keep hammering mainstream Democrats for waffling on the hard choice of unequivocal oppositon. Not because I get my rocks off on ideological purity, but because in these times, opposition is survival.
Hugh #108–flying away! chickens!
In this regard, I’ve also heard the administration’s pandemic mitigation planning includes sending $100 to all Americans.
A big dose of radiation and 12 rounds of chemo evens most people out.
Not our boy Arlen, light’s still out upstairs.
My two favorite parts of the filing, as noted by Christie….
On p. 30, we move on to an argument that is mercifully short: we learn that Libby spoke with Mitchell during this time period and, apparently, did not mention Valerie Wilson to her, or anything relating to her at all.
which looks like a double edged sword for Libby if ever there was one. If “everyone” (including Mitchell) knew all about Plame, and she was talking with Libby, why wasn’t the subject brought up?
but my favorite part of the filing is the reference to Jason Leopold’s speculation regarding Marc Grossman’s motives as if the speculation of a blogging reporter is somehow relevant to the discussion of Grossman’s credibility! I personally think that Watson is going to firmly slap Libby’s team in the face for that bit of nonsense….
JWR (#86) i read the article. interesting coincidence that the neighbors are called “Signatures Services”. Signatures was the name of the late great Jack Abramov’s restaurant. guess i’m grasping at straws………
new thread
Christy – fabulous job. Thanks so much for all your work. There’s a lot of us “mensch” out here appreciating everything you and Jane do. Double thumbs up.
Now . . . I understand all the legal maneuvering but do you think Fitz has bigger fish in mind? (one can only hope). Is all this a dance to get to invisible Dick?
Obsessed:
Well, it’s possible that Greenspan left because of his wife, but really, isn’t he just over the hill with his philosophy? He’s lost his usefulness, in general. I think it was just his time to go. What his absence on the power scene will do to Mitchell’s media clout remains to be seen, but if the lawyers go after her, then, her career will be finished, just as Miller’s is. (This is all wild speculation on my part!)
Re: Miller. On a previous thread, I noted the decline of her status as 1st amendment queen to that of a washout and the effect that and other revelations about the Traditional Media have had on the public’s trust of what they read and hear in the news. I remain appalled that our democracy is imperiled by people who do not take their responsibilities as journalists and politicians seriously, that they commit treason by exposing loyal employees of the government (Plame) thus literally jeopardizing the safety of the world, and that they create a climate of lies which makes everything and everyone suspect. The cynicism of the public, as a result, threatens our whole system of government and society.The general culture, as a result, can only make an anesthetized response at election time.
So much effort by one so guilty!
RWCole #93:
Bird flu in Vietnam showed signs of resisting Tamiflu:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/scienc…..50930.html
Some good information about bird flu:
http://www.audubon.org/bird/AvianBirdFlu.php
Is that picture from a production of “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?”
Libby’s team might be going after Cooper because he’s married to Mandy Grunwald, a Democratic strategist. The wingnuts are crazy to see some kind of conspiracy in this, and maybe Libby’s team too thinks they can milk it for something–if not to Fitz then to the base.
Bye bye gang, I’m off to drink liberally.